Nightcap - BEST OF NFL Week 6 Part 1: Chiefs TAKE DOWN Lions, Giants UPSET Eagles, Baker Mayfield MVP?

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

Join Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson as they recap the best NFL stories of Week 6 of the 2025 NFL including Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs defeating Jared Goff and the Detroit Lions, Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers defeating the San Francisco 49ers, Jaxson Dart and the New York Giants upsetting Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles, and much more!  00:00 - Chiefs Def. Lions11:53 - Bucs Def. 49ers (Baker MVP?)22:11 - Broncos Def. Jets38:57 - Giants DOMINATE Eagles (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Remember, nightcap doesn't happen without you. So please subscribe or you're going to make Ocho cry. Ocho, the Chief Beat the Lions 3017 after the game, cameras called Brian Branch, refusing to shake Joe, Patrick Mahomes' hand, and then shove juju shoot a juju in the face. Yeah. To start abroad, Patrick Mahomes threw for 257 yards, three touchdown, ran for another score.

Hollywood Brown had his best game as a chief. Two touchdowns looked more like Mahomes of old. The chief's office is starting to get back into gear and starting to look like the chief's office that we're used to see him. When Patrick Mahomes basically started in, what, 2018, 2019, and ran that thing all the way until like 23. This is the offense that we expected to see. 22 or 30, 257, three touchdowns.

They ran the ball 29 times for 112 y'all. really good. No turnover. It's a clean game from my homeboy. Oh, Joe, looking at, we'll get into Detroit, talk about them in a minute. What did you like about what you saw from Kansas City? I mean, the fact that we see in the early Chiefs that we all used to love, we're seeing the Chiefs

that scored damn near 28, 30 points a game. You had received. It was by committee. You never knew who night it was going to be. So obviously now when you play the Chiefs and you're going in and you're studying, you're going from game to game, you don't know who night is going to be. Tonight it was Hollywood Brown.

last week, it might have been usual. It might have been Taekworn Thornton. So the fact that they're also being able to establish the run that balance the offense out to keep everything honest, especially defense because you don't know what's coming, that's the great thing for the chiefs. And the fact that Patrick Mahon is playing so well,

he played a clean game as well, playing a clean game, and then being able to play defense on the back end consistently against a great offense, a great creative offense, that, again, I'm sure that Dan Campbell is responsible for, it is a really good game. Obviously, the Chief Defense and Offense has been up and down,

which is something, it's been some slippage, something that we talked about early in the season, and where we thought they really weren't going to be the same, especially coming out to Gate O and 2. And look, we in week six, aren't we in week six? Yeah, week six. I hear everything looked completely different than the conversations we had just...

In the first previous week. In the first previous week. So, I mean, what they've been able to do in such a short amount of time and changing everything around to everybody dropping balls or they're not playing defense like they used to or we're talking about Chris Jones, not hustling, not having effort, you know, on certain plays to looking like they did tonight is an unbelievable thing.

I think the thing is, Ocho, is that, like you said, each week it's a different receiver. Tonight, they really didn't use a whole lot of Twycorn Thornton. And I didn't really see him on the field a whole lot, Ocho. Tonight it was all about Juju, Travis Kelsey had his best game receiving of the year. Hollywood, Brown. We mentioned Hollywood. Xavier Worthy doing Xavier Worthy, but he didn't get a whole lot of opportunities.

I think if you go back and look at what they've done the past two weeks. Yes. Is that they've started off throwing the football in order to run the football. And they stayed in front of the sticks. This offense is predicated as long as we can stay in third and short, third and manageable, Ocho. Now we can run it or we can throw it. If you go back and look,

let's see what they were on third down. As long as they were manageable, they were good. Well, Cam Cedar is only 4.10. But they knew. Even Dan Campbell knew. Normally at home, when they're clicking, you got to get to 30.

You can't beat this team. You can't beat this team in Arrowhead if they're playing good football and you don't get to at least 30. Yeah. Or you need to take the ball away. You need to get a scoop and scoop, you know, grip, sack, you need to get a tip, a caram, or something.

But if they play a clean game and they're on top of their game, you're going to have to meet fire with fire. And you saw early on both teams going for it on fourth down because they knew kicking field goals weren't going to win them the game. Absolutely not. Look last, started Monday, they threw the ball early. Short stuff, get the ball out of my home's hand,

let's try to slow this rush down. And now we can get back to running. and I thought they did a good job. I thought Andy did an unbelievable job of play calling tonight, getting the ball out of Mahomes quick and quick. And if you notice something, Ocho, and we've seen this the transformation over the last three years. My home boy ain't sitting back that bitch patting the ball.

He'll take off running now. Oh, yeah, absolutely. The only thing I would say, my homeboy, sometimes you got knowing the journey over. Okay, now you keep dropping that shoulder on people. Now, I'll tell you that people, hey, people go, hey, they're going to drop anchor. on you now. Somebody going to catch him.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. And you know, quarterbacks don't do a whole lot of, a lot of their shoulder work is ban. They're not lifted, so they don't got that, that meet up there like most guys have.

Just be careful. But I like the way they played tonight. They did a great job. I really think the turning point of this ball game, and it wasn't, you know, is that Amman Ross St. Brown has some of the best hands in football. But on that fourth down,

I think that was a turn, because they had great, they had great rhythm. They had great momentum. And you know, they were, because Ocho, they were going to get at worst case, the field goal. Yeah. Now you get nothing, now you get nothing out of that. And Kansas City get the ball right out of the gate.

But Detroit, Detroit didn't play bad. I mean, when you play in Kansas City and they play into the level of that, they're playing tonight, they're going to be hard to beat now. It doesn't matter if they're an arrowhead or they don't matter if they're coming to your building. That is still Patrick Mahomes. Right. And obviously, what we saw tonight from the Chiefs is what we've seen consistently from the Lions.

Yes. The Lions consistently, weekend and week out, and it just happens to be one of those weeks where you're playing a team. Now, you're playing the other 31 teams, it's not that many teams. It's going to come out there and put 30 on you. No. They ain't too many. You got the Chiefs.

You got maybe the Packers. You got maybe the Bucs that have. They have the offense to be able to kind of points you're putting up where you have to meet fire with fire. We have to take certain chances in certain situations because, you know, field goals is not going to get it done because this team can score at will, you know, throughout the majority of the game. So, I mean, when you have games like this, you want to be as perfect as possible. And the team that makes the fewest mistakes, whether it be drops, whether it be interception, whether it be terminals, whatever it may be, the team that makes a fewest mistakes normally comes out on. top, and that's what we saw tonight. I like that.

I mean, there weren't a whole lot of penalties. The Chief had no penalties. The Lions only had four for 38 yards. So this was a barely clean game. The refs let them play, which we like to see, Ocho. We like when refs let them play. But we got to stop this notion every time the Chiefs win, it's the refs. You don't win that many games.

Ain't no way. You can get Travis Kelsey mom. You can get his dad. You can get Taylor Swift. You can get a lot of people. Ain't no way. You winning just because of the offense. And I get it. It happens all the time. They used to say the same thing with the Patriots.

And that's what happens when you win a lot. People have to have a reason. Well, why they win it instead of like, you know, they got good players. They got a good system. They got a good scheme. They got great culture. We have to have a reason why instead of just looking at the product and looking at the players. See, what has happened over the last years is that people like, well, they're catching up to Patrick Mahomes. Well, you're measuring Patrick against this. You're measuring everybody else. They get their best. but you're measuring him at his worst. So you're telling me if Patrick Mahon plays his best and every other quarterback plays their best, you take that quarterback over Mahon boy. Absolutely not. If every quarterback, all 32 quarterbacks and everybody's healthy, if they play their absolute best

and Patrick Mahon plays his absolute best, you're not taking another quarterback that's currently playing in the NFL over Patrick Mahomes. That's how good he's being. I mean, think about it. He's been in the starter for eight years, and he's never, he doesn't know what it's like not to be in an AFC championship game.

In five of those years, he's been in the Super Bowl. So when you look at it like that, and I get it, so we get tired. Man, let's, how many times don't you have you heard let somebody else win? How many times have you heard that, Ocho, I'm tired of it with, let somebody else win. It don't work like that.

When I put that kind of time in, you're going to have to beat me. Because I'm just not going to stop winning, even when you were a kid, Ocho, I ain't fit to let you win. No, you got to beat me. I'm not going to let you win. Look, I don't think there's anything wrong with the lions.

I really don't. I think their offense is really good. They missed a few opportunities. They had a couple of drops. But I thought they did really well. I think they only gave up one sack tonight. They were not as clean as they normally are. Over two on fourth down, that's not the lions.

The lions are normally three or four on fourth downs. You know, because they're going to go for it. They're going to put pressure on you. You know when you play the Lions, you got to score points. Yeah. Because every position that they have is really four downs. And you don't know. Now, you like to think, like, damn, okay, four down.

But they might fake punch it, fake punt it. And you see the play they call, but see, what they didn't realize is that the quarterback starts up in the center. He has to go get reset. Yeah, reset. So he has to come to a complete stop. You know, I was confused on that call as well because most of the time I'm thinking, Well, wait a minute. Now, I see the Dolphers, the other team do the same thing all the time.

Tari could come in motion, and he never comes to a complete stop. The ball just snaps. But he didn't start on the center. Exactly. See, I didn't know that little pickle right there. So that's a lot of little nuances. It's just like if two people are moving at the same time, once you're going to have to, both guys are going to have to come to a complete stop. Or you're going to have two guys in motion.

And that's what they got. you got an illegal motion. But I think, look, this was a great game tonight. Obviously, I would like to see it a little closer. I was hoping Detroit could score, maybe get an onside kick, make it really, really interesting. But give Kansas City, when they needed to bow their backs, they bowed their backs.

And that's what you want from a great team. When it's all said, done, Kansas City's going to be there in the end, Ocho. Yeah. They get Rashid Rice back this week, Ocho. Yeah, because he show is coming. He's always coming back. And the funny thing about it, It's not only he's coming back, but as well as they've played so far without them,

each week, each week they've gotten better and better. And like I said, it's by committee. You don't know which receiver is going to have his day. I don't like the fact that Taekwon Thornton has such an intricate part of the offense. And it was nothing today. All of a sudden tonight, you know, the package of whatever plays they might have had for him, it just wasn't the same. I hate when they played it.

I hate that too, because he's played so well. He's gaining confidence, and the last thing I want to do is to do something to suppress his confidence because he's looking around like, what did I do this week? I mean, why was I not? Because he scored a touchdown down there every week he's played, though, Joe. And he's played extremely well. Big catch after big catch, big play after big play. So it's very, very unfortunate. Hopefully, excuse me, they get into a situation where they get him where he can come back around and make play for him again.

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make. Yes, that's right. Lock her up. Listen to Fiasco, Benghazi on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ocho, the Bugs beat the 49ers, 30 to 19. Baker threw two touchdown passes and had a spectacular scramble. Fans serenaded him with MVP chance and many were still Hailing Baker as he left the

stadium. The injury riddled 49ers lost four-time all-professional. lineback of Fred Warner to a dislocated right ankle. Kyle Shanahan said the ankle was broken and dislocated and he'll need season-ending surgery. Baker,

17 of 23, 256, two touchdowns. Buka left the ball game. So he's playing without his four top receivers. Bucking Irvin is top running back and he's still doing that. Right now, he's the MVP front.

runner. I know it's only six weeks into the season. Yeah. But it's his to lose, huh? It's his. Absolutely. The MVP is his to lose the way Baker Mayfield is playing right now. He's playing the best, the best football at the quarterback position with no Mike Evans, no

Chris Godwood. Obviously, Bucky Ervin goes down. Ibuka goes out the day with a hamstring injury and he still doesn't miss a beat in the past. He played a couple of games without Tristan Worth. Yes. Yes. The awesome awesome one of the better left tackles in today's game as well hey baker mayfield again

situations matter oh my goodness he's playing good it's it's better ohcho to let guys be themselves i think that's why a lot of guys have success in baltimore because they don't try to change you whoever you are all we want you to do is play hard if you like to talk talk if you want to be quiet ain't nobody going to talk to you whatever you like to do whoever you are we want you to be more of that And see, Baker, this is who Baker is. Tampa say, you leave. If you want a joke and you want to die, and you want a dad, you want to do, like, take off.

Did you see him after he had that scramble run, where he escaped the pocket? Yeah. Went to the sideline, came back. When he got up, all I can think about was when he put that goddamn flag in the middle. He planted the flag and the shoe. Yeah, man.

That's your, okay, that's the Baker Mayfield. I'm going to love. You know, the quarterback position, they have to carry themselves a certain way. They have to be almost political robots

in a sense. He's one of the few that does not abide by that rule. Right. He's a very emotional guy, but he can flat out throw the football

and so it doesn't matter who's in there. He's going, hey, I'm going to get you the football. He's like, let's say, look, there are a couple of guys.

Sam Donald is in that discussion for MVP. Sam Donald is playing extremely well. Obviously, going to be somewhere loaf of lagging around because I think my homes probably have how many touchdowns the interceptions does my homes have as but he's playing extremely well but shaking bake shaking bake shaking bake doing his

thing man and see you know uh somebody that believes in you somebody that wants you at the end of the day we all want to be wanting yeah if you in a relationship you want you you want to know that your partner wants to be with you you want i ain't say you got to tell me every day yeah but they they got to let you appreciate you man you know i'm glad you said that huh now now know we're talking football right now and and that that resonated with me right now because sometimes we unsure because sometimes we have to ask you know yeah excuse me miss hi do you want me you sure okay cool okay yeah yeah i think everything is okay Yeah, she's wrong me.

Yeah. Appreciate that. I'm glad you just said that, man, because sometimes fellas at home, like, if just, you need to ask and make sure, you know, how the bucks want Baker Mayfield, there's your woman at home and your girlfriend or whoever you're seeing, do they allow you to be yourself? So you can be your best version of you, you know? Because when you're your best version of you, you get what you get with Baker Mayfield. So if you feel like you're in prison and you're not free, you know, to be able to blossom

and bloom like yourself, you need to be able to. ask that question. Yeah. Okay. You just want to, sometimes you just want to be appreciated. Sometimes I just tell me and say, you know what?

I appreciate you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell me you appreciate me. I just, I appreciate you. You appreciate me? Oh, thank you. Yeah, she appreciate it. Look, I'm big, I, I, I'm big on affirmation.

Mm-hmm. That's my thing. Yeah. And, and, and, and, and, that's how, operate. And Baker, he just wanted to be appreciated. Hey. Let me look, I'm not going to put you in harm's way. Yeah, look, I'm not. But, but I'm going to. And, you know, I think, look, those progressive commercials, I think the thing is with that, you know, I think progressive is based in Cleveland. He's the quarterback of the Browns. Now he's basically, the only really commercials

I see. Now, I don't know what they do in local, but the only really commercials that I see, National is the Heisman house. You see, and he does a great job. Those guys, I mean, that's a family. That's a brotherhood. There's only X amount of those guys. Then they do a great job. But I think he's really focused.

You know, he doesn't forget anything. Yeah. And Cleve, you got rid of me. Can you imagine letting us man, like he went to MVP? Like, y'all had the MVP. Y'all had this. Yeah. But y'all didn't believe in me.

y'all said y'all wanted a grown-up i guess i grew up huh hey now the carolina situation temper i know he got mad at steve wilts but an interim coach if not doesn't have any say that's temper yeah absolutely he goes to the rams we know he wasn't going to be the rams because matthew stafford wasn't the superbow so we know he wasn't going to stay there but he goes to tampa and he gets into a situation where you got chris godwin you got mike evans you got kate Arton, Jason Light has done a great job of drafting. You get Bucket Airman, you get White, you get a Mechabuca. So he's done an unbelievable job.

But give Baker credit. He didn't complain. He didn't hang his head. Oh, Paul Baker. Oh, man, I can't believe Cleveland did that to me. He didn't do any of that. He didn't soak. He didn't cry.

He just put, hey, put his boots on and he went to work. And I'm happy for him. I've been one of, like, when he was in Cleveland, when he didn't play well, said that but I have no problem whatsoever giving a man giving a man credit when credit is due his credit is due definitely due he planned his ass off every and you know what every dollar he's earning every sin oh oh banker fit to get bank a fit to get a look again a three year deal oh yeah yeah he did he in year two of a three year deal so they they come see him oh bank to get one of them 50 millions oh yeah but show

Well, he making 49. He didn't do it, making 33. They gave three years by the $100 million. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I need more to that. Because y'all see them other guys? I need that. Come see me.

Come see me. I need that. We ask, Mahomes has 11 touchdowns to two interceptions. For our final segment of the evening, it's time for Q and A. Oh, you know what time it is I here, huh? What time is it?

A.m.? Yeah. But what's her because she just went to the airport? So my flight at 10 o'clock. So I land in Miami at 5 and then I'm taking the kids at an NBA young boy concert. Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy, for the record, I have fired my weatherman. Clearly, he did not see a storm coming. Still love my cowboys.

You remember who said? The weatherman says it's going to be a cowboy victory? Weatherman always line. morning coffee says should do or need representation that can free him from Cleveland that's the real story not lion's chief they got it's right can't nobody freeing from nowhere dare to be no new England Patriots fans in the chat is wild Drake may is playing good football Drake may is playing great football nominal morning coffee unc and Ocho read the room we won't should do her free what they got to do with it

Hey, that ain't work. Yeah. He ain't got no parole coming up. He ain't up for parole. T.S. Carwatching Detail service. Bengals need Russ. Bad. Just spend the money.

Who's the tallest NFL quarterback ever played? Uh, I think Dan McGuire. I think he was six, eight and a half. Oswald was like six, seven. I think Dan McGuire, Mark McGuire, brother, played with the Seahawks. Listen, Flack, Flacko. were just fine today for those i mean we lost the game but unless you watch i watched the whole game i'm like yeah we we can work we can work with this there's only so much they can put on this plate

coming into this game he was only sack one time you expect a game like this with what the with the with the front line that the packers have i you would think it would be turmoil it'd be chaos but it wasn't you know there was some good some good flashes offensively we're gonna be all right and you'll be able to see him Thursday night when it's the actual only game that's on It still don't kick that L. Jason Zeldorf, Justin Fields, Aaron Glenn said football back a hundred years. Who is the most god-offer quarterback in the NFL? Justin, Russ, or Chad, make Jake Browning.

Chad's man, Jake Browning. Well, Jake Browning is the worst. But two or the three gotten benched. If Justin Fields don't start playing better, he about to make it three-for-three, Ocho. And who's the back? Oh, Tyrod. Tyrod is definitely capable of competing and give you your change. Hey, this is Matt Jones.

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Yeah. I told you what was going to happen. Listen, one thing about it. One thing about it, please don't do that. Please don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that because it didn't look as good as you did. It looked like a woman with no makeup.

That's what the game was. It wasn't pretty. It looked like a woman with no makeup. It was an ugly contest. It's nothing to be. And y'all still lost. You know what I'm saying? It was an ugly contest and you lost.

Okay. Okay. And I told you what was going to happen. I told you. I told you what it's going to happen. I said, oh, Joe, they're going to be on Justin Fields like lions on a wildebeest. I said, you watch what I take. Yeah.

Did you see the stat. You was right. You was right. Did you see his stat line? I saw it stat line. I've been to go over in stat line. He was nine of 17 for 45 passing yards. When you take away the sack yards, he was minus 10 yards passing.

That's the fewest pass yards in Jets history. That's the fewest allowed by a team since 1998. So it's been 27 years since somebody has had a worse passing line than what Justin Fields had today. They sacked him nine times for minus 55 yards. They had 82 yards. Let, chat, in an NFL game, a team had 82 yards of total offense. In a 60-minute NFL game, they were two of 15 on third down,

57 yards of total offense. Jesus. No, let's get it back. They had 82 yards of total offense. Nine sacks, 15 hits, seven tackles for losses, four passes, defended minus 10 net passing yards this is an and i tweeted ocho this is a new low even for the jets 82 total yards 82 effing yards in an NFL game to a 15 on third downs and allowed nine sacks this is the worst offensive performance i've seen in a while not sure if it can be fixed

this was awful and it was oh cho yeah i don't think i'm breaking news yeah i'm gonna be honest with jo Talk to me. I don't know how well Justin feels processes information. He freezes. He freezes. There are a couple of times, Ocho, he's got to take the flat right now. And he doesn't. Oh, he's waiting on something else to develop.

Yes, I don't know what it is. Ocho, he's got to get out. This isn't college. In the NFL, you must throw people open. Guys are not, yes, sometimes they'll blow a coverage. And the guys wide open, you can throw it to them. But nine, eight and a half times out of 10, you've got to throw guys open in this league. Guys are just, the guys are too good.

Yeah. And I just don't know. And I'm watching the mocho, and he freezes a lot of time. It's like, I'm like, bro. And I don't know. I don't know. And we blame the Chicago and we said it was an Iber flus and we Pittsburgh where he didn't get a chance. Now he has a chance and I don't know what it is.

but I just know this. He's not processing the information as fast as he needs to. And to be great at that position, you must process information extremely fast. Because, oh, Joe, it's happening. It's one, two, three. Hey, you skate one, two, it's gone. You got to get out of there.

Most definitely, especially with them not really blocking well for them. Being sacked nine times today, see, from your point of view, so you're able to have better context on why. why it looked the way it did, you know, sweet and watching, you know, live in person is a little different. You just see everything happening fast in person. Don't know why it's happening because there's no replay. There's nothing. There's nothing you can watch. That's why I don't like watching games in the state of because you look for the replay because I want to see. Yeah. Yeah. So I really couldn't understand. I didn't know what is, I didn't, I didn't know

it was as bad as it was once I saw the stat lines at the end of the game. I saw him obviously running for his life. I saw there there wasn't much they were able to do offensively. You know, I talked, I talked AG. I talked AG before the game. I was like, congratulations on everything you're doing. You know, let's hope you guys turn this thing around and getting the boys

a plan. And, hey, I guess it's just, this just wasn't the week. Not playing against that goddamn Broncos defense. And you said, you said what they was going to do. And it went out there and then everything you said it was going to do. It's almost like, it's almost like,

the Jets don't even look like an NFL team damn there they don't look like at times they really don't I'm like did y'all practice ain't no way you practice either either one or two things you're not practicing or you're practicing to be just this bad because normally people practice to be good you got to practice doing what they're doing this is this is bad and I hate it for AG because I know AG personally I know him well he's a he's a really good dude but he could not have gotten off to the worst start. Yeah. Because these guys,

for whatever reason, whatever they're coaching, is not resonating. It's not getting through to them. Garrett Wilson was asked on the side, asked about his sideline exchange with Aaron Glenn at the end of the first half. Oh, Joe, let's take,

yes, let's take a listen to what he had to say. Can you see a bit at the end of the first half when you were walking off the field? Was that the way the drive went? really like that stuff like that is just I don't know y'all y'all um I just didn't know exactly what the plan was and and um once I figured it out you know I was disappointed I'll just say that so um yeah how do you run a fly is that what you mean yeah I didn't know exactly like what the plan was I just I just thought we were once we you know converted the fourth down I just thought we were going for the you know trying to make the play and then obviously we get to another four down and it's a tough spot to be in. So, you know, in hindsight, I get why they did that. But in the moment, I was just like, man, I don't know.

Yeah. He's speaking, he's speaking, he's speaking specifics, huh? He's speaking specifics, you know? Yes, I don't know. I didn't know what they was doing. I was like, y'all just going to let the time run out. Ain't nobody. You're not going to run a play.

You're not going to even attempt anything. Yeah, I was thinking about clock management as well. And I'm like, why are they letting the clock go all the way down? Let's try to do something. Let's do something. but obviously, you know, he's frustrated. And he should be. The guy had to bet he was offensive rookie of the year

with some very marginal quarterbacks. Yeah, exactly. And allegedly, supposedly they had supposed to have gotten better quarterbacks. Yeah. But his stats aren't indicative of that. So he's frustrated by that. Second of all, when you do what they did, it tells me you don't trust your quarterbacks.

quarterback. Yeah. Oh, you don't. That's the only reason you would do something like that because we've seen other teams with other quarterbacks with that same amount of time, try to run plays, and if we got time, we're going to call, we're going to use that timeouts or we're going to help the guys, hope the guys can get out of bounds. But when you just let that amount of time, just run off the clock, ain't no way in hell.

You cannot convince me if they trust the quarterback. You don't. You don't because that's the only reason you do a time like that. We can't put our team. We can't put our quarterback because in decision making, it's not where it needs to be debated, be able to put him in situations that might not be advantageous for him because he might make the wrong decision with the ball.

We can't trust him. To make matters worse, Wilson suffered an injury to one of his knee ligaments, and he'll have an MRI upon returning to New Jersey. Ocho, look, and when he did, and he was late with the ball, he was all over the place. he had him on the out and and he throws it behind him. He had another guy. He had he would have had the first down and, you know,

he ends up hurting his back. And so the, on fourth down, they don't even have Garrett Wilson in the ball game. I'm like, whatever could go wrong, went wrong that they went wrong. It went wrong with Ocho. Even the best defense attorney will instruct you at some point in time.

Yeah. We don't have a winnable case. at some point in time and it's coming sooner rather than later I don't know I don't I don't know how much further I can stick my neck out for Justin Fields I don't know Ocho I don't know and in order to have a chance on in this league

there's 32 teams and no way to have a chance I don't care who's coaching I don't care what you have on the officer line I don't care what you have at that receiver. I don't care what you have on defense. In order to have a chance, in today's era of football, you've got to have a quarterback. He doesn't have to be the fastest. He doesn't have to have the best arm. He just has to be consistent in his decision-making.

He has to have exquisite anticipatory skills in being able to play the position, being able to process information in front of him, and being able to do exactly what you ask of him to make sure that offense goes, whatever that may be. Whatever it may be. I thought this would be good for Justin Fields, especially with the signs that he showed with the Steelers last year.

Yes. He was leading him to a winning record until Russell Wilson was given a job by Mike Tomlin. I'm like, you know what? If Justin Fields gets his own team, I think he's going to be okay because he showed flashes of brilliance and what he could do when he's quarterback number one.

Now you're quarterback number one. you ain't got nobody to worry about you don't have nobody looking over your shoulder so you can actually play free you can absolutely but based on the play calling some of the things that that they were doing it's like they don't even trust in the quarterback that they have because they're not the play calling isn't free we have to protect our quarterback from himself so you know what we're going to have we're going to let the clock run out because we don't we don't even want to put them in the situation we have to make certain decisions because they can go wrong you're right it's it's bad it's bad and i know and ag's like wants to show support but i don't know

how much longer that because at the end of the day ocho you got 50 other guys in that locker room now and i understand the lower team that you want to have for your quarterback and you want to show support but you'll lose the locker room supporting one as opposed to the other guys because they'll look like and they know ocho you've been in locker room for a long time i've been locker rooms yeah yeah and and maybe Tyrod maybe it's time a maybe you give it a couple of more games you like well hey Justin I'm sorry we're gonna have to let let Tyrod have a go of this yeah yeah see you see he can get some things going because this is this this doesn't this is this is this is terrible now look the Broncos defense is really really good yeah that front seven

oh they get a quarterback yeah you think about it they're rotational the A botany uh bonito and Cooper, they'll go a series, and then the next, they got a whole different set of line up. And they, hey, they got that, they got a NASCAR package that they just keep rotating them. And they keep coming. They collapse you from the outside and then you got Big Allen collapse in the middle. So, and they're going to run you into somebody. If you run wide, Coop got you. If you run to the other side, Benito got you.

You try to step up in the pocket. You got Allen collapse in the pocket. So they're really good. Don't get me wrong. That's not a slouch defense. And Paso Tane is legit. Yeah. He is legit.

He is hands down the best corny in football. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And he is smooth, man. He is so smooth the way he can transition. And he's long, hey, his arm like this alone. And so he doesn't have to be that close to do this or to do this. Yeah, he's really good. He's so fluid.

I mean, for someone to be as tall as he is and to be as fluid through the hips as he is, because, bro, he backfell and get out of there. hurry and he can whip his hips and go ohcho being raised on a farm i was in 4-h went to county fairs went to a goat show a cow show and i've seen it and i've been to the circus yeah i ain't never seen no issue like what i saw with the jess today you know you didn't been around a lot of football too you ain't seen i have but today to this today i'm talking about to like look and I've been on I'm like damn I'm trying to think I think maybe one other time that I've actually been around and I saw it hell I was a part of it right I think you got to go

back to 92 and the Eagles the Eagles beat us I think they beat us 30 to nothing I don't know if we had 50 yards of total offense the Ravens yeah no the Eagles no I was with the Broncos okay okay okay yeah but that was that was so that was, what, 33 years ago? Yeah. And you got to think about the Ocho, they said the last time somebody had that few of yards in a passing game, that was 98.

That was 27 years ago. So you're talking about almost three decades. This doesn't happen often. So people, I don't want you to think that, oh, man, that can, no, this does not happen often, especially in today's game when it's catered for the quarterback and the receivers because you can't punish the quarterback

and it's hard for you to touch the receivers. So with that being said, to get a performance like what they got today. Ocho, 82 yards of total offense. Listen, that's a testament of how good that defense actually is. Even with them being handicapped because of the rules, that's just how good they are.

And how bad the opposing team was. It's a combination. That too. Hey, listen, two things can be true. They absolutely can be true. But I don't know where the Jets go. I do know. I do know.

They take their ass home. Um, and then he, you know, that's a long, that's a long ass flight to take her ass whipping. You sold, you, watch, do you even watch film or do you, hell no, I ain't showing that. Yeah, yeah, I was going to say, I'm putting that where they put Jimmy Hoffa. What a hell, wherever the hell that is. I'm bearing that tape. Ain't nobody going to see that. As a matter of fact, I'm going to sue NFL films that they show it.

You better be glad that they got like, remember they used to have inside. NFL or they have the Thursday night, they have the game. Yeah. And they show highlights from the game. Nah, don't y'all show that. I'll show nothing. Don't y'all show what? A deep thing. But this was bad. This was bad.

And you can lose, you can lose a locker room if you're not careful. But also, there's one thing about losing the locker room and a coach having to make a very tough decision, you know, for a quarterback, for a quarterback that you can sit here, number one, a quarterback that

that that's been paid is the backup is the back up the answer because once you make a move in the middle of a season like this we're only in week six once you make a move like this you're making it move i think they give them a couple more weeks ocho but if they don't turn this thing around i can see us it oh joe if we owe in we owe an eight oh and nine oh and 10 so what we try to i mean what are we trying to do because i already know a team and another team that's in the Midwest that's trying to get the number one pick. That's Cleveland. And we'll talk about them in a minute. So are the Jets trying to get the number one pick? Okay. Because you're trying to get the number pick. You're state of course. I see what you're going. I see because that quarterback that you bring

in there, Tyra's going to try to win games. Yeah. I'm just telling you. And I'm not saying Justin Fields isn't. So you just tell just tell me what to do because here's the thing. These other guys in the locker room, they don't care that you're trying to build for the future. I ain't trying to get my head split right now while you build it for the future. Damn your future. My future is right. now because I might not even be here when we get good. Yeah, which is true, which is true. And they're going to be some heads rolling now. There's going to be some attitudes.

They're going to be some frustrations, especially from five. You know, Garrett Wilson ain't going to go for that. Yeah, not going to go for that. You paid me like the receiver that I am. Please use me as such. Please use me as such. This game wasn't close. Jackson Dart did it with his arm and his leg.

Scat Pack was sensational. 19 carries 98 yards. Three touchdown. Jackson Dart, 13 carries 58 yards. Another touchdown. They gained 172 yards on the ground. Jackson Dart was 17 to 25, 195, one touchdown. He was sacked, but he didn't turn the ball over.

And when you can take care of the football and you play, you have a great chance of winning. Jalen Hurst was 2433, 283, 1. touchdown. Ocho, what we say about that late ball if you late and inside? It's going the other way every time. And it almost did. They ran the ball 20 times for 73 yards, but they ran

the tush push four times in a row. They got a touchdown on it. Dallas Guarded has seven catches, 110 yards, a touchdown. A.J. Brown has six for 80. DeVonte Smith, who Jalen Hertz over through, would have had like a 90-yard touchdown, but he had four for 49.

Ocho, the Giants just the Giants did whatever they wanted to do. Both sides of the ball, too, at that. And both sides of the ball at that. For one, I want to talk about Jackson Dart. I want to talk about how good Jackson Dart looks as a rookie. Obviously, Russell Wilson started the season for the Giants. But when Jackson Dark got his opportunity, he came in and closed the door right behind him.

Yep. He's making the throws. He's reading. He's improvising. He's escaping. He's eluding. He's using his legs. He's using his arms.

arm, his best weapon went down with knee injury, but you wouldn't know that his best weapon offensively outside of Scatterbo was hurt. Jackson Dart is a real deal, and he's very exciting. The combination of him and Scatabo together, it's like two little kids. It's like two little kids out there on the playground. He's enjoying the game of football at the highest level. And it's refreshing. It's refreshing for the Giants fans, as you can see and you can hear, You know, you watch the game with the sound off. But just watching the reaction and the sound of the giant. Oh, they're going, I can see the fans.

When they're panning and the fans go. I'm sure they're saying boo, like for Scatterbo. Scat Pack was doing his thing. Jackson Dart, I'm sure they're hell in Dart. Look, this was, look, and we'll get to this, Ocho, because the Eagles didn't play well, and they got some issues, and we tried to tell them about the issues that they have. But you know what, Ocho?

But you can't tell Giants fan anything. Because if I critique Jalen Hertz, you don't like black people. You don't say this about white quarterback. If I critique their team, I'm jealous, I'm envious. Okay, fine. I should have your undivided attention because I couldn't get your attention at first because you've winning. You see that? When you win it, you can't get nobody's attention.

Now I should have your undivided attention because you lost twice. Yes. The Giants, they got the makings of a good team. The only thing that concerns me, Ocho, is pressure. There were times back there to Jalen Hurst would just sit there, patting the ball. And two of the three, and two of the four pass rushes was on the ground. They've got to generate pressure because they don't have elite on the back end. And so you should be able, when you got D. Lawrence, when you got a Thibito, when you got Abdul Carter,

that should be more than enough to create pressure, to create havoc and not nearly a, and I forgot, Brian Burns. Mike Burns, yeah. That should be enough more than enough to create havoc. Not enough havoc was created tonight. You won the game. But in order for you to keep building on this, you got 10 days off, you get an opportunity to soak in this. I'm sure the Giants fans are going crazy, somewhat crazy because the Yankees lost last night.

But if you're a giant fan, you look at Jackson Dahl. You're like, man, he won his first game. He was playing really well against the Saints. And then he started turning the ball over. If we could to protect the ball, I think we might got something. Scat Pack was doing what Scat Pack does. He runs hard. He's looking to run through, as Marshawn Lynch would say, run through a mofo face.

And he runs with authority. He's looking to deliver a blow. When he blocked, he's blocking all out. When he's running, he's running all out. He missed a couple of cuts early. But, hey, all this for giving, he's a rookie. He'll get better as time progresses. But I thought the Giants offensive line, Ocho,

when we talked about, that thing was a sieve. hey people just coming to hey you're going to block him but they did a great I thought they did a better job tonight of protecting Jackson Dart he did a great job of avoiding the rush when he needed to run he got rid he got out of the pocket

when he needed to throw the ball away he threw it away I like what I saw from the New York football giant Wondell Robinson had himself a game a little John Humphrey I thought he made some plays tonight Ocho but I mean what can we say the Giants I mean I don't think

like anybody really had picked the Giants to win this game. But it just goes to show you, hey, you take care of the football and it's a division game, Mocho. It's a rival game. You know, and you throw work inside the window when you play in a rival now. Yeah, definitely, well, definitely. But listen, you also understand if you're a bed man,

if you're a bed man, you're definitely picking the Eagles. Yes. Well, I wonder what the line was. You know what the line was, Ocho? No, I had to be proud to be. I'm thinking at least four and a half. Listen, you're going against a rookie quarterback defending Super Bowl champs. Everybody named Am I probably picked the Eagles to actually win this game.

But when you have a quarterback like Jackson Dart, who has been as exciting as he is, who has been unpredictable as he's been since he's gotten a starting job, I mean, for those who actually know and understand the game of football, and based on the small sample side of Jackson Dart that we've been able to see, you're through caution to win when you come to bedding against the, the Giants, especially after tonight's performance. So going forward, you know, I think things are going to change a little bit when it to come to watching, not only watching the Giants, but putting whatever money you want

to on them to win a certain game or Pacific game at that. It seems like the line was seven, seven and a half, depend on where you was betting, who you was betting, who, you know, what line you took. I'm confused, Ocho. Talk to me. Wait, wait, before you was betting. you say anything. Let me get comfortable. I'm confused as of what they're doing with A.J. Brown. I watch the man run two

unders in a row. I'm like, is that the only route y'all believe A.J. Brown can run? He run under. He run a little, they try to run him on like a little, a little six, seven yard out. But I don't see no imagination in the routes. I don't see no magic, no creativity in the calls. man look they run in smash concepts they run they run the sale and then they run they run the spot what we call a spot route

or they'll run they'll run the out and then they'll run the under or Devante would try to start in the slot and he'll run the fade or he'll run the smash route I mean he'll run and Brown would run the I'm like damn if I'm Jaylor Hurts say man I'm tired of

running these damn under routes give me a dig, give me a comeback, give me a deep over, give me something, hey, run a bang. Yeah. We ain't got no bangs. Yeah, I will say they made a conscious effort to give him the ball. They made a conscious effort to give him the ball in the first half. And there were some plays that had broken down where he was able to scramble out the pocket and get the ball to AJ. It wasn't many of them.

But he had a better stat line this week, you know, this game. Second best most yards he's had, you know, he had that 100-yard game. against the Rams where they were down by a lot of the half. And then they came out and made a conscious effort. Like, we got to throw the ball because we can't run ourselves back in the ball game. And it's like, okay, AJ. So he had six for 80. Dallas Goddard had nine for 110.

Smitty would have been over 100 had Jaylor not overthrew him. He put a little bit too much gas up on it. Devonte ran a really good route, had him. I mean, he could have walked backwards and got into the end zone because it looked like his defender had fallen down, don't you? Yeah. when you when you look at the eagles what's going on

clearly clearly that meeting didn't help yeah i don't know what they discussed i don't care to know 3417 it's been a while since the Eagles lost the game by that and this game wasn't this game wasn't i mean uh this thing got out of the head quick yeah it did it did and i would think some obviously i think would start up front with some of the pieces of that

offensive line being missing small holes that you try to cover up you know, weak lengths that you try to cover up but you just can't. There's a reason why Saquan Barclay isn't

being as successful in the running game as he was last year. He wasn't, Ocho? You knew they were... Ocho, you thought they were going to let that man come back and rush for another 2000? Hey, you do understand the Eagles do have the best

officer line in the league. Yes, but he was going to make a concerted effort. Right. What did I tell you? If you're going to beat me, you're going to beat me with Jaila Hurst throwing the football. Oh, yeah. Because I like my chance that's better beating you with him throwing the football than Saquan Barkley running for 125 a game.

Right. It's really that simple. And that's not a knock. I'm not going to let, but I'm not going to let you have a two-way go of it. Now Sequan's running it. Now you play action and throw the ball over the top of my head. Nah, nah, nah. If he's going to throw the ball with pinpoint accuracy

And guess what I'm going to do, Ocho I'm not going to bring I'm not going to drop eight in the box I'm not going to throw one-on-one I'm going to make you throw it through zones I'm going to make you throw the coverage Now you do that consistently Okay, I tip my hat to you.

I can live with that. But I am not going to let Sequin Do what he did last year And then be at your mercy Now you throw when you want to You run when you want to You got me begging, man throw the ball Man run the ball. Nah, hell no.

you're going to beg for something different. Look, it's early in the season, but clearly, um, something is something is a miss with the Eagles. Mm-hmm. Um, it's hard to pick right up where you left off, Ocho and someone that has been in that situation.

You have to, you have to really, you have to really turn your mind off to like, man, we won the Super Bowl. Yeah, you did that last year. You think these teams going to roll over just because you won the Super Bowl? You're their Super Bowl this year. Oh, yeah.

The teams that didn't win the Super Bowl, guess what when they see your ass on the schedule. Now that gives us, you know what Brian Dayball said? That's the Defending Super Bowl champs, and we just hung 34 on them. You see, when we play, we can beat anybody in this league. That's what they're saying. Because that's the Eagles. That's the Defending Super Bowl champ. So now teams base their, they base how good they are on whether or not they beat them.

And now you see why? Now this gives you a better reason why Palan hurts when they ask him about the Super Bowl and how it feels to be in the champs, why he throws it out the door. That was last year. Absolutely. Because he understood how difficult it would be to not only repeat, but they had the same success going into this team. The same way.

now we're seeing the struggles that they are having, being that they're not at full strength, especially at the offensive line. Some of the defensive pieces are a little different than they were last year. And it's a different. New offensively, things have to evolve offensively. You know, you can't be too predictable. Last year, because the running game was so efficient, you could damn there do what you want to do. Exactly.

And you can throw it when you want to. You got to pick your poison on what you want to do. Now things are a little different. And now you're going to get to see the better part of the Eagles. They can do one. You're going to have to dig down, Ocho. We've got to dig. Yeah, they can do one or two things.

You can come together and fix it, or things are going to continue to splinter. Yeah. And we're not going to make no excuses. Oh, the Eagles beat themselves. It looked like to me, the Giants had 34 and the Eagles had 17. It didn't say Eagles 1 had 34 and the Eagles 2 had 17. Right, right. Ain't no beat yourself because, see, that's the excuses you make.

last week they had man they should have called pass interference that was a pass interference you see what happens oh cho if you if you lose by a little i can go back and point to faith well if he had done this we had done that but see when i beat hell out you what you're gonna say so what pass interference that would have made up 17 points what holding call man they were they was holding so what holding call would have made up 17 points what did i miss what off-sides what penalty that they didn't call that would have made up for seven 17 points. Poe, I feel

I feel bad for my guy Gilly. He'll be all right. Gilly going to be all right. You know, I know he's going to, the only reason I'm saying he's going to be all right, only reason I'm saying the Eagles are going to be okay, because it's so early in the season. It's so early in the season.

Now, if we were in the back in the season, I give you one. If it was after Thanksgiving, things were looking the way they look now, I'd be worried. I'd be worried. But let me tell you, when you show vulnerability early,

yes, teams like they can be had. That's the thing. Now, because you're already going to get everybody's best shot, Ocho, because you're the rainy Super Bowl champs. Absolutely.

You're going to get everybody's best. But now they're like, hey, they're vulnerable. They can be had. The ferocity, that defense is not near, as vicious and suffocating as it was, that's a rookie, Ocho, I don't give a damn who back there.

That is a rookie quarterback in only his third start, and he did that. He did that, and he didn't seem bothered by what you were doing on the back end. He didn't seem flustered. He didn't seem off kilter. He didn't seem like, man, what are they doing?

I'm seeing ghost out there. He didn't seem that way to me. Now, maybe somebody else saw something that I didn't see, but he looked perfectly fine to me. Hey, I can see why AJ getting frustrated because I get tired of running underriles too. Yeah.

I would. I get tired of running short crosses. They run, man, stop, man, give me something down the field. I get, it would be very interested, Ochoa. If we were to watch a cut up, we'd see all 22 and see how many times he run further than 10 yards down the field. Right. Because I see, I see a lot of people.

I see a lot of routes Short cross over the ball Under route Slant route Five yard out Man let that man run a deep over Let the man run a comeback Let the man run a dig

Damn Yeah and more than Because everybody goes Ocho now they know he's not going deep I'm squatting on everything Ocho I ain't getting on no damn back pedal Because he ain't running no go ball Especially the better corners

Especially the better corners That know and understand Down the distance We understand tendencies. We understand split. We understand schemes. We understand the route concepts. Okay.

Oh, he's on top of the numbers. Oh, he ain't going nowhere. You ain't run no damn go right from those top of those numbers? Oh, absolutely. Oh, he's inside the numbers. Okay. Well, I know. You try to run a shallow.

You try to run a shallow. Either run the shallow or he's coming outside. What are the other? I could just sit. I don't know. I think maybe maybe the, The casual fan doesn't understand how difficult the game of football is if it's not complicated but how easy it is for those who study the game, who watch film, and are used to seeing

things over and over and over. Yeah. So now the owner is on the officer of the coordinator to be a little bit more creative to throw off those that you're playing week to week because now there's film on you. There's a year's worth of film on you and you got to change things up because if you don't change things up you get what you see tonight you get players that are frustrated because the blueprint is out there the ingredients are out there and the ingredients are out there hey we know what this tastes like you got to change it up you do ocho and the thing is just like a pass rusher you can't give that

offensive line with the same pass rush move he'll eat that up after a while he'll build up an immunity to it so you got to give him hey you got sometimes you got to turn speed to power sometimes you just got of a dip. Sometimes you've got to wax on, wax off. Sometimes you got a bull. Sometimes you got a hump. You've got to change it up. The same thing with the offensive lineman. Hey, sometimes they quick set you or jump set you. Sometimes they stab left and then they come back. Hey, sometimes they catch.

You've got to change it up. These guys are good. Very good. And they break everything down. They watch him. Watch his feet. Watch when he does this, what he does what he does with his hands. now watch when he's in this stance look how wide his base is defense office defensive lineman look at the stance they pay attention they break everything down to the umpteenth

because the margin of error these guys are really good and the margin of the margin of victory is so small very small it's not i'm telling you it's not it's not a mountain it is small it's the minute it's the details the devil is in the details man. It's one of three plays make the difference in the game. That's it. That's it.

That's it. That's it. Two turnovers did not help. Look like the Eagles were going in, Gattaterturnow and Jalen threw it. It was late. And inside, you're inside. If that DB can catch, he's going another way with it. And then it seemed like they were driving again.

And AJ Dillon got the ball punched out. That's two turnovers right there where you look like. like you were about to make something positive happen and it ends up going the other way. But it's going to be interesting to see how the Eagles bounce back. Or how they respond in general. Ocho, you do realize they didn't score a point

in the second half. Yeah. Yeah. In the second half. The 17 was all from the first. A, and on the tush push, that first one, the right guard. jump to count again.

Yeah. See, he all, Ocho, he almost has to jump the count because he has to keep the guy off the center. Because if the center gets stand up, because remember,

Jalen Hurst is coming right behind him. So if he gets stood up, so the guard, one of those guards have to knock somebody off him. Let him get some push. Now we can get Jalen Hurst to get a little push. So he gets some leg drive. If the center gets stood up,

where is Jalen going? Yeah, the play doesn't work. I mean, the play doesn't work. Let's see, It's going to, look, I'm sure Nick Serion is like, you know, he's like, good, God knows a tough one. It was a short week, but, hey, it was a short week for the Giants.

Everybody's going to have at least one short week. The Cowboys probably have two because they got the Thanksgiving game and then they nearly likely plays the following Thursday after that. But give the, I think this tonight, we can talk about the Eagles till we're blue in the face, but I think tonight was more about what the Giants did, positive and good, as opposed to Eagles.

The Eagles have their issues, but here's the thing. If I got issues and you don't take advantage of them, what good is that? Mistake, when you make a mistake, can I make you pay for it? Right. You leave the door open,

I walk in your house. You leave something out at the table, I eat off your table. Every mistake the Eagles made, Giants made them pay for it. The question is, look, Sherionic, Sirionic cut his teeth and call him plays. And I know it's a bad, because here's the thing.

Anytime you do something that's abnormal, people think you're panicking. If I take over the play calling, Ocho, what am I saying? The guy that had to play call it, he's not doing a good job. Be an officer or defensive. If I've reassigned people, hey, you were the class, Ocho. Shannon, oh, Chad, get your book. move over here.

That means you were being a disruption. You were doing something you had no business. I got that all the time. Shannon, can you move up here by me? Why? You know why. So that's the way that's people going to look at that from the outside and say, well,

oh, okay. I thought there wasn't nothing going on. If nothing's going on, why are you making these changes? Why are you making these moves? But at the end of the day, I've got to do what's in the best interest of this team. And if I have to take over the play call it, I don't want to. I don't want to take over the play calling but I will if I have to

and the question is do you think Sariani should or will take over the play calling? Ooh, that's tough. That's asking an awful lot of a head coach. I mean, look, Calshanahan does it. Andy Reid does it. There aren't a whole, Sean McVeigh does it.

It's not a whole lot of guys. Ben Johnson does it now. But for the most part, you know, hey, I got lie lie lieutenants do their job. I oversee everything. I hear everything. If there's something, hey, no, we're going to run it on this one. Now, hey, hey, you got that specialty play, do that.

I try to oversee everything. So what do you think, what do you think will happen or what do you think should happen? I think more so a conversation. I think more so a conversation is had between Petula and Syriana. Siriani, because Siriani has enough enough as a head coach, y'all. He has enough going on that he has to deal with. he has enough on his plate as it is. You already have coaches appointed to certain positions and they have their jobs.

Now, if you want a coach to do his job a little better or find ways to make things work, it's here now talking from our officer perspective, you have that conversation with him and what need to change and what he would like to see as a head coach. But taking over the play calls this early, to me, it sends him in panic mode, and I don't think that's something that they really need is not to panic. but find a way, figure out what solutions we can take, what creative effort, you know, can Petulow do and in creating a little bit of creativity offensively

and moving some things around. Just throwing a few wrinkles in there, not going too far away from the game plan and schematically and the things that do work and that you like to do, but just throwing some wrinkles in there that give you a little bit more success that aren't predictable when you're out there playing.

Oh, Joe, you know how... coaches always ask the quarterback and the quarterback goes to the coach and these are the plays I like. Yeah. Go to AJ Bronser. AJ, what you like? What you want to run?

Give me a hint. How can I help you? What do you like? Yeah. Ask you. I mean, Mike would ask, hey, 84, what you like here? Same.

And at first 15? Yeah. You can't go wrong with basic cross. You can't go wrong with why choice. You cannot go wrong with those. You give me one of those. You give me one of those. I'm good.

I'll make it work. I don't give a damn if he's playing outside leverage. I don't care if he's playing head up. I don't care if he's playing inside leverage. He cannot stop me from going where I want to go. He's going to ask me what I like. Hey, you like the Zorro here? Yeah, I like Zorro.

Yeah, I like Zorro. I like Zorro. I like it. I like it. You know, I'm really trying to get a touchdown. So I kind of like it. It's like it in the 10 going in. I ain't really try to get no first down

because they only go bite one time, Ocho. It's like a fish. You catch a fish and you hook him and he get off. He ain't biting again, not that one. Now, somebody else might get his ass another day and time, but he's not going to bite. So that's the way I look at it. Like, if I beat him on this Zaro this time

and I get a first down, he ain't biting again. So I'm like, I'm kind of like, I kind of like in the T and for the Zah. route, but anything else, Mike, hey, you do right choice, you do basic, hey, you do a basic cross, anything like that? I'm good. I'm Gucci.

Hey, run Tiger Far Cross. Hey, anything. Just go to AJ and say, AJ, what you like. Tell me, tell me, tell me what, if I said, AJ, give me your five favorite routes that you like to run. Yeah. And let me see how I can incorporate

it in what we're doing. Because all they do, Ocho, is that you got your plays and you watched the film and you see what the other teams did to their ass last week, and then you put that in and call it your stuff. Bingo. That's it. It's a copycat league. That's all you do.

It's a copycat league, and they do it every week. That's it. Whatever they saw, whatever they saw that worked on film and you happy to be playing that team, they're going to do the exact same thing. Formation might be a little different. Absolutely. It's going to be exactly the same. You think AJ asked 14?

trade? No. Hell. Oh, shoot. You know what? I'm not in AJ's shoes. I'm not in the shoes. I don't know. I'm not sure. And being being how he is, his mannerisms, his beliefs, and the way he moves and things is much, much more completely different than that of what they think he is. I'm not sure he's the type to ask for a trade. but he's frustrated Devante Smith is frustrated they both voiced their frustrations I think it was maybe last week or week before last

publicly so I'm not sure I think I think because I understand I really do I really do because I don't want people to think I understand AJ's situation

AJ's situation AJ say they don't pay me to win, they pay me for stats. The only problem that I have, stats get me paid, not wins. Not wins. I told that, yeah, remember I said that? Yes. I said that.

Oh, the only problem is that AJ, keep that with Seriani. Keep that with Petula. Keep that with what you call them. I say because when you voice it outside, people are going to look at you as being selfish and say, you care about your stats, then you do about winning. Even though that's how you're going to get paid.

I get it. Yeah. but you're not going to be able to elicit sympathy from that fan base because we win in, Ocho. Just like, Ocho, you win it. You're like, man, but y'all don't want seven games in a row. How you go publicly and tell my, man, I need to get the ball. Right, right. People going to look at you as being selfish.

Although I understand what is based on, I just wish, like I said, because like a family, football team is a family. I guarantee you spend more time with the, with the, football team, then you do your real family. Especially during this time. Yes. From basically from July, when you go to training camp until your season ends, you spend more time with them.

You do. You do. And you do everything you can to keep everything in house. Yeah. When it gets out, when it gets out, now everybody has their own interpretation to what's going on. Exactly. When you keep it in house, don't nobody, don't nobody know.

You know what the actual, what's actually being said. You know what. how to fix it. But then once it gets out, like I said, that meeting, I'm trying to figure out who, how many people knew about that meeting, Ocho? Somebody probably upstairs.

I guarantee you that. Somebody knows he's some reporter, you know, a player talking to a reporter that they probably confide and they thought it wouldn't get out or they wouldn't tell anybody and all of a sudden the rest of the world knows. Everything's getting out now.

You can't, hey, mm-mm, trust nothing. Trust absolutely nothing. but now what I knew to be true all alone Killing Moore is a damn good offensive coordinator Absolutely A damn good one

He was good at Dallas He was really good at Dallas He was great He won a Super Bowl with the Eagles Normally it's a little law Normally Detroit doesn't seem to be having that problem They pinched out of them

They don't be seen to have that problem that AG left on the defensive side of the football. Detroit is playing extremely well. Remember what I said, huh? Remember what I said

when Ben Johnson left? Yes. When Aaron Glenn left, I said, even though the coaches left, the pieces of that puzzle are still there. So you take coaches out

and the pieces of the puzzle still there, you can still put it together. Right. You still put it together because you still got the same pieces. So it doesn't matter who called the play.

That's why sometime when I hear coaches, when I hear fans, and say, oh, they want coaches fired when things aren't going well. Well, hell. Well, hey, if he had the goddamn players to execute, it wouldn't be no damn problem. Well, Bill Belichick was great at New England because he had the pieces, including Tom. And now they want him, you know, I heard he might get fired sometime this week in North Carolina.

Hit Bill. Well, what the hell you want to do? What do you want to do? Well, people look at it. If you don't got Jared Rice, Randy Moss, and Larry Fitzgerald, you don't have good receivers. But Larry Fitzgerald and Jared Rice and Randy Moss ain't, I mean, it takes a special type of person to fit that system. And Randy fit the system for a couple of years. And then all of a sudden he wanted more.

And Bill said no. Everybody's not going to be able to go, Ocho. Weeks, I count two passes this week. I caught four passes last week. I caught this. No, no, no, no, no. Those guys are number one receivers for a reason. Reason, yeah.

New England built their game of playing to win. Other teams built a game playing around great players. Right, right. That's the difference. So it's going to be very, very interesting to see how this thing plays up. I think getting away, hey, Sirian, look, I don't want to see you guys till Monday. I see you guys Monday. Don't worry about this tape.

I see you guys Monday. Come in and we'll have a quick meeting. Get a lift in, get a run in, run some of this out. I'll see you guys Monday. Got Tuesday off. Let's be ready to come back to work Wednesday and fix whatever we got going on. It's good to clear our heads, get an opportunity to get away from this. Hey, you don't need to watch television.

You don't need to read the paper, get to stay out of the internet and be ready. When we come back in here on Wednesday, let's be ready to work and get this thing done. Get it right. They're going to have to fix it. And don't let anything else come out to the locker room. Don't say nothing crazy after the media. I'm not sure who might have talked to the media after the game. I hope they took time to allow themselves to defuse from whatever anger,

whatever emotions you may be having, take a shower first. Take a shower first, cool off, then talk to the media. Don't give them no ammunition. You know what I'm surprised, though, Ocho? I'm surprised how many people when they go to the locker room, the first thing they do is check their phone. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Okay, because I'm one of them.

I'm shocked by that. Yeah, I'm one of them. You have to see, you. You played in the era that they did have social media. So I'm glad I didn't play in that era. I'm glad. Yeah, it just started. It just started.

So I caught social media. The guys, do they, you think they check their phone at halftime, too? No, I don't know about that. I don't know about that one. I don't know about that one. Yeah. My last year I checked. Okay, but I'm in cutting the food.

Let me see what they're talking about. What do they talk about, OIG? Okay, what do you think about the Tush push four times? Michael Parsons says this. is not football with two trash emojis. Hey, if you can't stop it, don't knock it if you can't stop it. If the packets were able to do it,

that wouldn't be a problem. So, so, I mean, tush push is not football. So let's talk about some of the plays that other teams run that nobody can stop, that aren't highlighted. True. We're going to start eliminating plays from certain teams that do one thing

specifically well. Just because somebody can do something better than anybody can do one thing. Yeah. Hey, find a way to stop it. I know how to stop it. I can't give the formula on how to stop it. Yeah. You know, my brother said, tell us all the time, he says, my goal was to do my job,

do this one thing better than anybody else did anything. I'm fine. Yeah. It seems to me that the tush push, the Eagles do this better than any other football team does anything else. Yeah. Whether it's rushed to quarterback, whether it's throw the ball, whether it's run the ball, whatever the case is. The Eagles do the tush push better than any other football team do any other thing. So I agree with you, Ochoge.

Is it aesthetically pleasing? No. No. But I don't believe you should throw it out just because somebody can't stop it. Right. So if Michael, Micah says it's trash, he got the two trash cab with the guy

dumping the trash in there. What do you think, Coacho? Nah. Micah, and being the competitive he is, it shouldn't matter where anybody else run. Well, you want it, you wanted the best in the league. you top three in the league. It shouldn't matter.

You got to stop it. Tampa is getting, what you call them? Getting big days ready. They're dead. You're going to let them move you. At all. The NFL is rolling. That's right.

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