Nightcap - Best of Nightcap - Shannon Sharpe & Chad Johnson’s best stories from their NFL playing days

Episode Date: July 17, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson made their names off their stellar play on the football field, and their NFL careers with the Denver Broncos, Baltimore Ravens, and Cincinnati Bengals resulted in plenty of amazing stories. Check out some of the best stories Unc and Ocho have told on Nightcap, from Shannon getting his first paycheck in cold hard cash, Ocho’s gross home remedy for injuries, their times on Hard Knocks, and much more.03:40 - Unc didn’t do direct deposit05:19 - Ocho’s gross home remedy09:08 - Unc & Ocho flunked the Combine19:46 - Their biggest tests on the field30:44 - Locker room bets45:51 - Biggest hits they ever took51:23 - Hard Knocks & locker room pranks1:05:51 - Unc peed on the sidelines1:10:52 - Ocho was a clutch kicker1:17:02 - Learning how to handle NFL money1:39:37 - Unc & Ocho take the player survey1:44:56 - When the Ravens cut Unc1:47:50 - Pro Bowl stories1:58:00 - Carson Palmer called Ocho out(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Because everybody has always practiced in the rain, and guess what't use rain as an excuse. Because everybody has always practiced in the rain, and guess what? They're going to send checks. You're going to go get that check on Tuesday and no joke. Come rain, come rain. Before they started doing direct deposit, I always got my check, Ocho. I needed to see it.

I needed to see it. I didn't get no direct deposit. Ocho, I didn't have no direct deposit. I didn't have no direct deposit until I started working for Fox they told me they wasn't going to send me my money I had to get direct deposit prior to that

I had oh yeah I had to go upstairs and get them checks mmhmm I need to see my money wait hold on hold on hold on you you didn't get direct deposit

so you went and got your check and what took it to the bank yourself I took it to the bank myself nah that's too much that's too much man I mean one time I had I had deferred a lot of my

I deferred a lot of my one time Ocho I had like 2.2 million dollars right right I had it for like 30 days sitting in my drawer the Broncos called me

they was like Shannon did you receive that check right I was like yeah I said it's in the drawer they was like do you mind cashing it I forgot all about it, it's in the drawer. They was like, do you mind cashing it?

Oh, yeah. I forgot all about it. I put it in the drawer and forgot all about it, don't you? And it was like 40 days. And they called me and said, do you mind cashing it? Right. Because, hey, even that's a lot of, they're like, hold on. We wrote something for $2 million and it hasn't been cashed.

And then, yeah. They said, well, you know, don't worry about cashing it. We're going to reissue you another one. Issue a new one, yeah. Can you go cash that one? Would you get it? I was like, okay, I'll do that. Man, it's a funny, funny story.

And I've told this story all the time. And people always ask, man, how did you manage, you know, to have a career and have no injuries? And the funny thing about it is I had home remedies that I use and people, nobody believed me. Nobody ever believed me. Oh, you never had no angle spray? Yeah, I sprayed my angle before. But what I used to do for me is I used to get urine.

Y'all stay with me now. I used to get urine and warm it up. Where that urine from? Where it from? Whoa, whoa, whoa. it up where that urine from I need a time out I need a quick explanation who urine I get mine and if it wasn't enough if it wasn't enough of mine

I would have to get my teammates urine listen to me I hear you I'm listening this is what it work wonders though. I get enough urine to where I can, it's enough in a bucket that I can warm up. I put my ankle that's swollen

or the one that's sprained, warming up really hot, sit my foot in the urine and the heat and the toxins from the urine would absorb all the swelling, all the swelling out. And I swear, if I sprained my ankle, even if it was the highest, if I sprained my absorb all the swelling, all the swelling out.

And I swear, if I sprained my ankle, even if it was a high, if I sprained my ankle on the Wednesday and we played Sunday, by the time I got to Friday, I was able to do that fast walkthrough practice on Friday and play the game fully healthy Sunday.

No, I'm going to have to miss that game. If I got to stick my foot in the bucket of urine, I'm going to miss that game. There's a reason, listen, you can't make the club in the tub. Listen, you can't make the club in the tub. You can't make the club in the tub, and that's one of the reasons why

I played a full career with no injuries because I always had little remedies that would get me through. You can't make the club in the tub, and if it's pee, it ain't me. You on your own, no, no, no, no, all that stuff. They do it. Oh, no, there ain't no pee going on. Ain't no peeing. Oh, no. All that stuff. They do it. Oh, no.

Ain't no peeing going on. Ain't no peeing. Oh, no. Ain't no peeing going on nowhere. I can't do that, Ocho. Look here. I done had some squirrel.

Hey, what you say? If it's pee, it's what? If it's pee, it ain't me. I got to let you have that one, Ocho. You're going to keep that remedy. You shouldn't even throw nobody that. Now, I've done the red clay. I've done the DMSO.

I've done a lot of home-time remedies. Boy, that DMSO will have your mouth smelling like goddamn shit. I don't play with that DMSO Boy oh no You don't know how much DMSO I've used

I had an old teammate named Jumpy Gathers I don't know if you probably know Jumpy but Jumpy man I don't know what This joker sprained his ankle And his That joker ankle by the size of a grapefruit he had this stuff in a bottle he say he say he got it from home because he gulla i'm talking

about he geisha i'm talking about geisha geisha i'm talking about like he probably only like one two generations that got off the boat in charleston yeah he that yeah he that kind of he that kind of geisha he that kind of gulla but ocho me kind of Gullah. But Ocho, me and Burns, we watch him. He rubbed his stuff on his ankle and then turned it up and drank it. Boy, what he had in there? I don't know what it was. But he was able to play on Sunday. Now, I know I'm country.

I'm corn-car carbon or outhouse country but he way more country than me yeah way more country than you yes yes yes yes and that's saying something yeah man jumping man but hey man he was a great dude I love lady jumping

so what are some of your draft But he was a man. He was a great dude. I love Lady Jumping. So what are some of your draft combine experience? I really can't remember much. It was so long ago. I do remember that I did run in some bright, bright, bright yellow tights, which is weird. I ran a four or five at the combine for some reason. I didn't know.

I don't know about that. Because John Clayton said you need to work on that speed. Yeah, yeah. So that wasn't four or five of the combine for some reason. I didn't know. I don't know about that. Cause John Clayton said you need to work on that speed. Yeah. Yeah. And I wasn't, so that went four or five. Exactly. Listen, I wasn't slow.

I ran a four or five and I stumbled, I stumbled and still got, I still was able to gather myself up and still run four or five. But then when it was time for the drills, I aced the drills. And then obviously when, once you, once I put pads on,

as you can see, I play four or three, as opposed to what my 40 times said, which is really weird. I was nervous. I was nervous for one, obviously, having to display my skills in front of all the owners. And it was a new experience for me. You got to understand. I hadn't been at the Division I level.

What? I was there. I was at Oregon State for four months. And then now all of a sudden, here come April. I'm at the freaking what's the name? Whose stadium is that again? The Colts? Yeah, Lucas Oil. Yeah, I was at Lucas Oil Stadium and I'm in front of all these owners and was like, oh, my goodness, I'm excited. Like I'm almost like I'm I'm thinking to myself like, holy shit, though, you almost there. Like you really finna get drafted. I don't know where I'm getting drafted.

But the fact the fact that the matter is I'm here at the combine i'm gonna get drafted so there's a little nervousness in me and i didn't run a good 40 time but it didn't matter because when it came to doing the other tests i aced all those as far as running routes cone drills and all the other stuff and the rest was history because you know what happened on sundays that's incredible there used to be a show come on, I think it was ABC. It was called That's Incredible. I know you don't remember because I was a kid when it came on.

They would do like he raced the horse. Hey, you forgot. Remember I raced the horse? You lost though. He beat the horse. I won. Tell Ash to pull it up and show you real quick. Remember I raced, you didn't see where I raced the horse? You lost though. He beat the horse. I won. I won.

Tell Ash to pull it up and show you real quick. Listen, that's how I know I was really, honestly, if I wasn't nervous at the combine, I would have ran probably 4-1, 4-2. Like that's the kind of speed I had. What you nervous for? Huh? That's what you do, right? No, no, no.

That's not what I do because it was in an unfamiliar environment. It's like when you go on your first date, you know the butterflies in your stomach, you know how you're nervous? Yes. That's how I felt because it was unfamiliar for me. I didn't know what it was like to go to the Carbine. I didn't play at a big Division I school for four years and I'm used to the crowd and all that. It was all new. Did you play with a college football? Yeah. Okay then. So all that other stuff, I'll throw that out the window. If you can play football, you can play football.

I went to Division I four months. I was... Four months, I was gone. Yeah. That's it. That's what you needed. Guys, I know,

I know it wasn't Lucas Oil. It was the RCA Dome. I get it. But we're saying it was an indie. Right, right. Man, y'all just... Wait.

Is they getting on you about that? Yeah. Come on, chat. We know. Chill, chill. Right, right. Y'all just... Wait, is they getting on you about that? Yeah. Come on, chat. We know. Chill, chill, chill, chat. It's an Indy. Chill.

It used to be the combine used to be regional. So whatever region you in, you ran there before they brought it all to Indy. I think they brought it to Indy like in 87. Right. 86, 87. I think that was the first year they had the combine. Everybody used to complain about the surface being spongy.

Being spongy. Until somebody told them guys, there's always somebody that was going to run sub-4-3. And it's like, ain't nothing wrong with the turf. I mean, my year, we had J.D. Williams, a DB out of Fresno State. He ran 4-2-9. What? Oh, yeah.

He ran 4-2-9. Could he cover? Yeah, if he had a bed sheet over your bed. That was the only thing he was covering, the bed with a bed sheet. It's all about controlling the speed and understanding leverage and, man, and positioning. I'm sorry, JD. He came out back here in the draft, too.

He was first-round pick from Fresno State, Buffalo. Hey, I could talk about that all day, man. All day. Damn. What did Christian Coleman run? I think Christian Coleman ran 419. Listen, I know I beat that horse. Some people say, oh, you got a head start.

Well, hell, he got one more leg than I do. What you expect? Well, he got two more legs than you. No, no, no. Stay with me now. He got one more. He got a leg, too, though. So he got five legs.

You only got... Hey, well, you caught that fast. You caught that fast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got five then. So he still got you by two. You caught that fan. That was a good one.

You know what, Ocho? My draft, look, I had some Pegasus, Nike Pegasus. I read about 40 Nike Pegasus. Wait, you're supposed to be light as possible. Pegasus was heavy, wasn't he? Ocho, man, bro, I ain't know nothing about that, bro. I ain't have no money to go. You ain't have no waffle shoes?

You ain't have no waffle shoes? No, bro. Oh, Joe, I ain't know nothing about that, bro. I ain't go. All I did, all I did, I ran 100-meter sprints. Get ready. I ain't do no shuttle drills. I ain't do no vertical.

I ain't do no standing long. I ain't just know. I ain't know nothing. What you ran? I think I ran like a 466 and a 467. That's fast now. That's moving now.

All I know is that I went to the Blue Gray game, which was on Christmas Day. It was in Montgomery, Montgomery, Alabama. When I went to the East West Shrine, it was at Palo Alto. I just remember calling my brother, and they had, you know,

I said, ain't no receiver here better than me. Ain't no receiver better than me. That's what you told them? I told them, I said, ain't none of them better than me. None of them. None, none, none, zero, zilch. We went one-on-one. We had the one-on-one drills.

Right. Cooked everybody. Everybody. Cooked them. Hey, speaking of, I one-on-one. We had the one-on-one drill. Right. Cooked everybody. Everybody. Cooked them. Hey, speaking of, I went to the Senior Bowl. I'll never forget. One of my favorites. Will always be one of my favorite players.

Always one of my favorite players from Mississippi State. That goddamn Fred Smoot. Okay. That goddamn Fred Smoot, man. One of the greatest personalities. One of the greatest human beings I ever met, man. I don't get to see him as often as I'd like. But, man, every time I saw Fred, man, it was always love. When we played Minnesota,

when we was in Minnesota, you talk about talking some shit, man, we talk hella shit, man, before the game. I love Fred. Man, Ocho. What up? Oh, man. Man, Ocho. What happened? Man, you know what they gave you? Man, check this out, Ocho. Yes, sir. Out of 100, what do you think my Conbryan grade was? Out of 100? Yeah. You? Yeah.

Probably 68. I got an F. I got a 37. Real? A size that gave me one out of 100. Speed, they gave me 62 out of 100. Agility, they gave me 10 out of 100. Quickness, they gave me 36 out of 100. Overall rating.

Who's your overall? What would they give you? My overall was 37. You see? Hey, is there a way? I thought you was hell when you was well. I was sick that day. Hey, can Ash find mine?

Hey, look at this, y'all. Look at what they gave your boy. F. F. Find Ochoes. Hey, now think about that. You see? Now see, they based everything, run, jump.

All I know is that I'm number 267. I can run upstairs right quick and get that gold jacket. I'm 267 in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Now, let me tell you who's in my draft class. Emmitt, Hall of Fame. Cortez Kennedy, Hall

of Fame. Real deal. When you say I, Hall of Fame. Myself, Hall of Fame. Johnny Randall, Hall of Fame. Greatness. Johnny Randall was undrafted. He was? Yes. Ah, Ocho,

why you over there kiki-kia? That's what you got. A F2. You got a 37, a 38. Hold on, a what? You got a 38.

Hey, but hey, at least I got, I got one higher than you and that F, hey, listen, hold on.

Hey, that F, that F on there stand for fabulous because that's a jet high turned out, fabulous. They got,

they got a, they got you a, Fabulous. They got you at 40. They got you a 4'6". Steady long jump. They got you 120 inches. Yeah. That's good. No, that's 10 feet. Man, I don't know. Size, they gave you a 46 out of 100. Speed, they gave you a 46 out of 100.

Speed, they gave you 41 out of 100. Agility, they gave you 43 out of 100. And 60, they gave you 50 out of 100. Now, that's how you know they don't know what the hell they talk about. Agility? Agility? The one thing I'm known for? Ocho, we were some small, man.

Ocho, you know what? We about to go ahead and chalk it up. We were some small at the combine. I'm mad we about to go ahead chalk it up we were so smart to come back hey give me the name of the person who motherfucking made that goddamn grading system man hey don't go back and run it because you're gonna be worse than you were 20 years ago oh i could run i could oh well no no no i listen i've been training for boxing and soccer right now so i could run i could run by the four six right now still who who the fastest who who has the fastest 40 time as a boxer?

Because it don't matter. Because you can't run fast in that square. Man, they got me. Man, look here. Ochoa just meant to be. How the hell they got me at a 37 and you at a 38? That kind of hurt a little bit. Because that's how they really felt and they thought about me, man. I got an F. i ain't seen the f in a long time damn you shouldn't

have showed me that yeah that a they might that f stand for fantastic or fabulous man they got uh uh blunt failure you man how are we gonna get how are we gonna get a 37 out of 38 this is the problem the people that they have in positions of power that are judging these players don't know what the hell they talking about or what they looking for that's why they need they that's why they need my eyes they need my eyes at the combine what you call them say? Say, Hayes McClendon donated $10. I want to give you an Ocho Munch bank

for putting in work. My question for both of you is, with DBs, okay, what DBs gave y'all fits in your day playing? Well, the guy I think

that made me come to play how I am is Albert Lewis. Long, 6'2", he was 6 six two uh could play inside could play outside came from grambling state feathery he constantly gave me a different look i made he made he made me he forced me to become what i became because i knew if i could beat him i could

beat anybody right and so he had the most impact that says, okay, in order for you to be what you think you can be, you have to consistently beat him. Right. And I knew I was legit when he was in Kansas City and the Raiders signed him. He was their number one free agent because I was cooking the Raiders. They had nothing.

Nobody could do anything with me. T-Mac, Eddie Anderson, none of them. Washington, none of them. They couldn't see me. I cooked them all. So they went and got Albert. He slowed me down, but he ain't stopped me. He slowed me down, but he ain't stopped me.

Michael asked, better safety, Steve Atwater, Troy Palomaro, Ronnie Lott. They're all different. Different. Because you do realize Ronnie came in as a corner. Ronnie was an all-pro at corner. Yeah. So people don't realize that. He moved to safety.

They were different. Atwater was a true strong safety. Strong safety, like Brian Dawkins. Like B-Dawg. And although Troy was so skilled, he lined up everywhere. Everywhere. He'd be at the line of scrimmage. Scrimmage.

And he's supposed to be in the hole, or he's supposed to be in the 2D. I'm like, bro, why? I mean, my last year was his rookie year because he and Ed, if I'm not mistaken, came out the same year. No, Ed came out my last year. Troy came out. Did they both come out in 03?

I think I played against Ed one year. I think I played against Troy one year too. It might have been. Did one come out in 02 and one other came out in 03? Or both came out in 03? Both came out in 03? Troy came out in 03. Ed came out in what?

02? I think Ed came out in 02. Because Ed, I didn't play with Ed. I left Baltimore after the 01 season. Right. And I left, I left Baltimore after the old one season. Right. And I think,

I think, so what year did Ed come out? Oh, two. Ed came out in no two. But for me, the best safety that I ever broke down, that I ever played against,

that I ever saw with Ed Reed. Yeah. For me, for me was Ed, Ed and Troy. Ed and Troy. Unbelievable. And the, the, the, the for me, it was Ed and Troy. Ed and Troy. Unbelievable. And the fact that the matter was they did things, I call it exotic coverages. They did things that were very confusing

that no other team could do because of the way the defense was constructed. There was no weakness. There was no weakness in the secondary. There was no weakness at the front line. And they did some of the craziest stuff. Just like you mentioned mentioned troy we don't know what the damn coverage is because everybody at the goddamn line of scrimmage everybody and as soon as the ball snapped everybody running to where they supposed to be and you got to hold the ball because you don't know what's going on and previously somebody asked a question about what db gave you the most fits and for me it really wasn't a db in itself outside of what outside of what revis did but early in my career the good the good battles where i had i had to i had to you know tie my shoes tight

ike taylor lee bodden um who else man who else chris mccallister you just choke you out there's chris mccallister like you got you got to. Chris McAllister. You got to be on your A game. I had to be on my A game every time. Those are some that I can remember. Those battles were really, really good. They were really, really good with them. It was back and forth. Back and forth and forth. The thing for me, Ocho, is that when we played physical corners,

was not getting to a physical battle with them. No, no, no. I'm going to lose that every time. Right. But see, me, I wasn't going to lose it, but then I forget trying to go out and try to catch a pass instead of just beating the hell up out in the DB. And a lot of times, like, we play James Hasty. And Hasty, I know you're going to see this. Him, bro, I just be like – I mean, sometimes I would just go out there and be like, hey, I don't even want to catch the pass.

I just want to go out there and fight it. I just want to go out there and try to run slap over the top of it i don't want to don't even throw me no don't even throw the ball my way don't even look at me because i ain't looking to get over i'm just looking to run right over i'm just gonna run and when he don't move i'm gonna put my helmet right up on this chin right oh james dc even though we home boys yeah it was just something about like okay i know he wasn't gonna be dirty with me and I wasn't going to be dirty with him. But, bro, Kansas City is just like, bro, you at Kansas City. So I know we homeboys.

I'm going to throw that inch out the window for the day. But the day, I ain't going to cut you. I ain't going to cheap shot you. But you know you're going to get this work, though. Oh, yeah. And if I get a chance to crack back, I'm going to try to you gotta get him out of there i gotta get i owe you i gotta get it um but they were so different troy probably was the most athletic yeah most uh ronnie probably had the most impact uh but see the thing is that when they played back then,

Ronnie would have been suspended. Man, you can't hit people like Ronnie was hitting people like Ed Waterman was hitting people. Man, they would have been out of the league. Suspended. They would have been out of the league. You see Kareem Jackson? You see how Kareem Jackson is about to miss six games? Again?

That's the way Ronnie lost. Yes. Oh, let's talk about Ocho. They suspended him for hitting Joshua Dobbs. It was a 31 and they ran a quarterback power. Kareem Jackson comes

and hits him in his chest with his helmet. I saw it. Ocho, you're not afforded the same protection as a runner, as a receiver,

as a quarterback in the pocket. He's a runner. It's 31. You in the pocket he's a runner it's 31 you no longer get those protections so what do you do what do you do on 31 i'm not gonna let you fall forward and he's like i'm not if i hit him in his legs he gonna fall for the first down he's i'm gonna hit him in his mouth so as a defender what do you do because they've handicapped they've handicapped the game the game to uh to a point where it makes no sense where you just can't you can't do anything you can't and my pushback is

as a runner you're not afforded the protection as a receiver in the air or a quarterback that's in the pocket you don't you are a runner So what am I, so how am I supposed, especially ultra we coming this way. It's 31. If I tackle you at the legs, what you're going to do? You're going to fall for the first down for the first down. I'm trying to hit you up top to keep you. That's why I like guys tackling the guy around the, uh, around the legs on the one yard line.

Right. He's going to fall in the end zone. For a touchdown. Exactly. So I'm going to try to keep him getting that first down. I will hit you in your mouth, and you're a runner. Yeah. Duck.

The advice I got for a quarterback, when you see a safety like Kareem Jackson come barreling down, duck. Yeah. You don't want to get hit slide. I don't know what to tell you. Makes no sense. Not in that situation. Not in that situation. Not in that situation.

No, he's a runner. He's not afforded protections of a defenseless receiver. He's not afforded the protection of a quarterback that's in the pocket. He's running the football. He's a running back. You would have never. The question is, would you ever call that play if it was a running back? No, because that's what Joshua Dobbs is.

The moment that he has like a power, quarterback power, and he tucks that ball in his arm. He's a runner. He's a runner. He's a runner. And me too. I'm a runner too and I'm trying to run through his ass. Paul, but I've tried to hit it.

He's coming. I've tried to hit him dead in his I he coming I've tried to hit him dead in his mouth you're not gonna get this first down it's gonna be fourth down y'all gotta go four on four but I'm gonna hit you I'm gonna hit you dead in your chest

as hard as I can you're gonna get because my thing you're gonna get suspended too Ocho because what you telling me if your quarterback

if you're a coach don't care any more than to have you run it, if he's not protecting you, why should I? Should I? Exactly. What did Tom Brady say? It's not the defensive player's job to protect the offensive player.

Offensive players, yeah. So if that's what he thinks of you. What the NFL is doing is the NFL is now putting the defensive players in harm's way because now you're going to start trying to tackle in a way that you can't tackle a way that you haven't been able to play all your life and start trying to do something you're not supposed to do right and you can hurt yourself and you remember Ocho when they started by the heads and guys started hitting guys in the knees and turning ACLs you can't win you can't win for losing you can't you can't win for losing made for this mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles,

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Yeah. But, hell, I ain't teammates, friends. Yeah. Yeah, but nobody know, though. Nobody know. Nobody knew. Hell, I bet Alpha Williams 25,000 that I would have more touchdowns than he had sacks. Golly.

Man, guess what? Who won? I broke my collarbone week four. He tore his Achilles week five. So we settled. He wanted $12,000. So I said, we can settle. He had one sack.

I had no touchdowns. So we settled. What you had to pay him? He said, I tell you what. He said, I want $12,500. Right. Guess what this joker wanted? What he wanted? Don't say food.

Susan B. Anthony dollars. Susan B. Anthony? Yeah, he wanted those quarter dollars. So I had to go to the bank and get because he wanted to inconvenience me. He wanted my pride. Oh,

that order to the bank. Can I get $12,500 of Susan B. Anthony? Do you know how hard it is to get those damn things? So he made it difficult. Yes. And they was heavy as hell. Hey,

let's go. I like the bet though. I like it. Because that's the way we bet it. So like we bet in the locker room. I didn't, I didn't want your money. I like it. Because that's the way we bet it. So we bet in the locker room. I didn't want your money. I want your pride. Yeah.

I want $500 in nickels. Man, Shaq, come on, man. I want you to take your ass to the bank, ask the cashier, could you get $500 in nickels? And when she asks you, say, Mr. Such and Such, why you need $500 in nickels, I want you to tell him, I lost the bet to 84. I'll get Buffalo nickels. I get you need 500 on nickels i want you to tell them i lost the bet to 84 i get buffalo nickels i get 100 in buffalo nickels i get 250 in dimes right that's what i wanted i wanted i wanted uh uh uh what is it can they have dollars we call them canada 50 cent p yeah i wanted those yes silver dollars yes i want your pride oh so everybody making money yeah what is it for me okay

you lose a thousand dollars you're gonna bring me a thousand dollars cash no I don't want a thousand cash I want coins pennies nickels dimes buffalo nickels Susan B Anthony quarters Kennedy half dollar Kennedy 50 said what we call them in the South. Golly. You know, we gamble everything. We had a little poppy shot basketball thing in the locker room. So we betting per diem. Hey, everybody got their per diem lined up.

The road per diem? Yes! Yes! We bet road per diem. Man, look. We're getting ready to go to practice right me and my home being my homeboy burns he's like we got so you know we we've been there for a week so i went upstairs got my check got his i said because we like to bet don't even look at it put it down okay fine better than what it is so i put my check down he put his down we shoot we got to go to practice we come back come on let's get the ball first hey hold up

me and burn shooting this he shoot he missed i make it so at that point in time you get to open the check and see what it is right so he So he opened my check. I opened his. His was like $1,400. Right. Mine was like $70,000. Woo! He said, homeboy,

you'd have been throwing up. I said, oh, hell yeah. But that's the chance that you make. You don't look at the check. You just bet. Yeah. I'm cool with that.

Y'all better than me, boy. Oh, we bet everything. Oh, we bet everything. Oh, Bure, in between. You ever played in between? Nah. What's that? In between? You take two decks of cards. I flip one. I flip both

cards up. It might be an ace. It might be a five. You go say, hey, in between. If it comes in between the ace and the five, you win. If you get hit on the edges, you have to pay double. So if it's an ace or a five,

you pay double. Man, we played on the way to Super Bowl. Ask the guys, what? Pac got like 50 grand. Man. man we played on the way to Super Bowl after guys what Pac got like 50 grand 50,000 yeah oh we took Super Bowl

I took oh I'm sorry I gotta give up this information oh but we took we took four Super Bowl tickets I will agree four Super Bowl tickets and 10 grand oh look I was very generous Four Super Bowl tickets off Willie Green. Ooh. Four Super Bowl tickets and 10 grand. I know he was hot. I was very generous.

I know he was hot. Ocho, I want to do old school car. 71 Chevelle. Yeah. I said, man, give me five grand. I said, because you go home and tell your wife you lost this car, it's going to be problems in your house. Oh, snap. Yeah. Give me five grand. We'll call it even. you go home and tell your wife you lost this car it's gonna be problems in your snap yeah give me

five grand we'll call it even and mike used to tell him say look y'all gambling with 84 do y'all know how long 84 been playing right 84 okay i don't really like you guys gambling because i don't want you thinking about you lost 20,000, 30,000. Right. During the game. But if I rock with you, if I want a big sum of money off, y'all like, bro, go ahead. Hey, just give me, give me five grand.

We'll call it even. Yeah. But I want it. Nice black chrome rims. Just got it. It probably worked by 2025. Yeah. I said, man, give me five grand. You go,

cool. Boy, hey, boy, y'all, listen. Oh, we gamble.

Whenever the gambling went on, locker room, training camp, we on break. Man, I'm, man,

you know, I ain't around none of that, bro. I ain't got time spending money spending gambling. How you think the club chase shit came about? Ocho, you go ask anybody I ain't around none of that, bro. I ain't got time. Spending money. How you think club chasing came about? Ocho, you go ask anybody that played in Denver from 1995, 96,

all the way, they closed it down when I left. When I came back, it came from there. That's what we gambled. We played cards. We rolled dice. They played video game. We drank, drink smoke all that within club chasing

that's how it came to be and I don't see I don't see how y'all do that man and people in the chat that gamble people just in general like even when y'all was playing

even former teammates of mine there was there's such an excitement and passion and joy in people's faces when they gamble here from

and me being from Miami watching people gamble playing spades, playing... Playing tongue, playing get like me with the quarters back in the day when it was a high school. Watching the dope boys play C-low. Excuse me, I hate to say that word,

but watching the boys play C-low. Like, what are we doing? I'm not doing nothing or losing my money to anything where I can't control it. Like if I'm losing money, I want to be in control of it. I don't want any outside

variations of what I'm doing to cause me to lose my money. I can't do it. And then I remember I went to the casino with Ray. And I'm talking to the man. I'm saying, sir, are y'all going to stop the man

from continuing to gamble that much money at the high roller table? Why are you allowing him to do this? That's what we do here. Yeah. Oh, no, I got to have it. We got to gamble, Ocho. We gambling. Why do you think we don't have no windows? What the fuck you mean? What do the windows have to do with anything?

Ain't no clocks on the wall. Because they want you to lose track of time. And they pumping in fresh oxygen. Listen, I learned all this just not too long ago when I was in Vegas for F1. You know? I'm like, man, y'all better be. I get, Ocho, we gamble.

Yeah, but y'all. Every night, there was not one night in Denver when I was in training camp that we didn't gamble. Ocho, we was going to bed. We got practice at nine. We didn't go into bed until like two o'clock, three o'clock in the morning. And y'all going to practice

on four, five hours of sleep? Yep. And the last night we stayed up the whole night. Like our crew that normally oh, you got to stay up the whole night. Oh, we had a black. Oh, we had a blast. Hey, we had a blast. Oh, and the last night, the rookies.

Yeah. Got to get them, Ocho. You got them? Yeah, I remember them. What? Man, look here. We go to the store. We get like 25 pounds of flour.

We get like eight, nine, 10 balls of syrup. We cut the pillows open. Right. We got the tar and feather. Oh, not the tar and feather. Yeah. Oh, you know how hard that is to get off? I do know.

Oh, no. Think about how many guys came with pillow feathers in their head and only stuck on their back and on their neck. Hey, because you know I was cool. Hey, you know, hey, I get the key. I get the master key. In their sleep, fire extinguish them down, book it up out of there. Oh, we did some damage.

I know they were hot. But you know what Mike said? Hey, hey, I don't normally do this, but I know probably 84 had something to do with it and this team. Or if some stuff popped off, they already know. Mike

knew. Team building, we got this covered. Right. Woo-hoo! Oh, that dorm was a mess. Going crazy. Yes, yes. Hey, got together, Mocho.

It's a part of it. Welcome to the Broncos. Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. Most definitely. That's what I miss, Ocho. See's a part of it. Welcome to the Broncos. Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. Most definitely. That's what I miss, Ocho. See, that's what I miss. The fun.

That's what I miss. The talent show. Did y'all have a talent show? Like the rookies had to put on a talent show? No, but hey, listen. That hard knock y'all had? Yes. Before we did ours?

That talent show? Boy, when Buddy did Ray Lewis and Buddy did you, boy, I was in tears. I'm talking about in tears, crying. That was good. We had a talent

show in Denver. Like I said, I didn't really know. Like I said, when I was in college, we didn't really know. Like I said, when I was in college, we didn't really do the stuff like rookie stuff, Hazen. They didn't cut nobody's hair and stuff like that. I'm trying to think what we did to the rookies

because they got me. It was all fun. Like I said, I didn't want to let nobody cut my hair. You know what I'm saying? We wasn't doing anything to demean anybody. We wasn't going to cut your hair and foolishness like that but i'm sure there was some things that we did but that was all a part of it that's what i missed that's what i missed if they could just let and i was like mike if i could just go back i ain't want to do meetings no more that's what really got me out of the league

yeah the meetings i said mike just let me practice let me show up to practice. Right, right, right. Let me play in the games. Your boy good. Yeah. Your boy good. That's funny. Ocho, those were the days, bro. I wish I could get those back. I wish I could do that.

Obviously, I couldn't play anymore. But I just want to go hang around. Just go hang. Now, I'm listening to my guys. When I left like three or four years, I just wanted to go back. Because a lot of the guys that I played with were still playing. Man, I said, man, I wish I could just go back there. They're like sharp, man.

It ain't the same without you. Because you, Ocho, you know I kept it live. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Everybody wanted to get on bus, too, because they, you know, the coaches, everybody, you know, the owner was on bus. Everybody, hey, Sean, what bus you getting on? Because, you know, we're going to keep it crunk.

We bagging on somebody. Somebody wants some bull jive today. Oh, y'all get on the outfits? What? I got on a dude so bad, I made him took his outfit off on the plane. Got fired. Because Mike said, I told you, you got to wear it. Made him take it and come up out of it.

It was that bad? Made him come up out of it. Well, that bad? Made him come up out of it. Well, shoot, but today's NFL players, boy, it's a fashion show. Yes. Boy, it is a fashion show. I made him come up out. I made him come up out. Oh, hey, Sharp.

Man, you see what such. Hey, Sharp, come look what such and such got on. I got to get him. I got to get him. I got to get him. The only person that you could not get upset about their dress was Easy Ed. Ed McCaffrey? Ed McCaffrey. That's your coming out there looking like a 4-H camper.

He going to have on khaki pants and a blue blazer that he got folded up that he taking out his duffel bag. Right. That's what he got on. Every time. And some Doc Martens. Ed don't care. Ed don't care. So we didn't even bother.

Ed had to go to the pool house and be like, why ragging on Ed? Ed don't care. We didn't give people the actual care that if we rag on them. Oh, I can make a me at the back of that plane. Yeah. Make them come slam up out of it, Ocho. Back of the plane, where is that?

I remember going to the airport. You know, everybody got to meet at the stadium before you get on the bus. Remember, everybody used to bring Popeyes. Oh, yeah. The rookies had to bring that for the best. That's right. The rookies had to bring Popeyes.

You know, I came with my own McDonald's. Man, them jugglers have you go get ribs. Man, you got to go get fried catfish. All types of stuff, yeah. Big Ted Washington was on my team one year. Man, Ted had them rookies go and get Popeyes, mac and cheese, fried catfish. Right. Come on, dude.

I remember them days. Yeah. But see, this was before your time. See, we used to drive right up, park our cars, and get right on the plane. Plane back up out. For real? Yeah. We didn't have to go.

Like, my first four or five years, we didn't have to go. My first four or five years, we didn't have to go to the airport. Go to a private hangar, park your car, walk right up, get right on the plane. I ain't never heard of that, boy. That's new. Man.

That was lovely. Lovely. Then you had to start getting there on time because Mike was going to leave you. Mike was going to leave you if you wasn't number seven, number 30, number 84, maybe a few others. Because Mike, they asked, well, such and such, like, oh, we hold a plane.

It's a charter flight. We leave when we want to. Somebody else? Anybody else? But I wasn't going to be late. I already understood because I know guys looking. I'm't going to be late. I already understood because I know guys looking. I'm not going to be late. Sports Addict just donated $20.

Ask us to recall the hardest hit we've ever taken. Oh, I know mine is. Somebody caught you? I got one. I bet you got caught on the slant, too. Either a slant or a seam. I got caught on the overrides. I got two. Two. Rest his soul. Orlando

Thomas. I ran a far cross. Yeah. And check this out. What made it so bad? He picked it. So I'm looking for the ball like this. He jumps up. Knee catching me in the chin. I'm out. I'm out before I even hit the dirt

before I hit the turf wait alcohol? out out O-U-W-T out picked it but you know back there Ocho they get a cup to the sideline

smelling salt you know how many fingers I got up you know they ain't do but one or two you got a 50% chance oh two okay you good go back in there and then and I got hit by the Raiders I forget the linebackers name

we were in a two tight end set. Right. Tiger said 12 personnel. And normally I'm playing wide. Normally I play tiger, but I'm playing wide in this situation. Chamberlain's playing the tiger.

They walk, they walk the back, the Sam backer. Anytime they walk the Sam backer. What you thinking Ocho on another tight end? I'm thinking man, man. Yeah,

obviously that's the only reason he walked though. Check this out. So he, What you thinking, Ocho, on another tight end? I'm thinking man. Man, yeah, obviously. That's the only reason he walked, though. Check this out. So the Tiger tight end is going to run a goal. I'm going to run a flat. It's cover two. Don't tell me the corner's sad. The corner is the same backer.

The quarterback didn't see it? Didn't see it. He's thinking the same. Ocho, he's thinking the same thing i think it they walk the same i'm like i'm pretty okay oh oh i see that and then oh joe you know i'm thinking i said oh oh that mean the mic gotta cover me i'm going i will catch this flat rock i'm gonna turn this thing up up for you oh yeah you know you run the hard oh you're pumping that head on yeah man oh joe i did this right here yeah oh joe he hit me so hard he knocked my helmet off babe wait you he didn't knock you out though you got up yeah i got up i got up i don't know how i got a couple of days i got hit uh uh a dude oh i don't took some licks i took one i caught

a shallow cross ocho got a block and turned up and by that time time, I had a fracture in my eye socket at the end of 95, so I was wearing a shield. Ocho, I caught it. I turned up. I didn't see dude. The safety came. Hit me dead in the side of my head. They said, hey, Red, that a way to bring the wood? And I'm thinking to myself, I'm laying on the ground, I said,

what wood he broke? Ocho, he cracked my shield like a windshield. You know how hard it was to crack it? She got it cracked. That's why he cracked it. We're playing the Browns. We're playing at home.

I'll never forget this. And a lot of people remember this is the era during the time where I had the blonde mohawk. I'm in my prime now. I'll never forget. Two by two set. Okay. You know, when you got two receivers on one side and it's third down, slant's coming.

Oh, yeah. Double slant. Double slant's coming. Man, I run the slant. Carson, I don't know if the ball might have slipped out of Carson's hand by accident, maybe a tad bit. The ball was too high. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar couldn't have caught this ball. What do I do?

You jump for it. I still jump anyway trying to go get it. I'll never forget this, man. Brian Russell. Brian Russell, the safety for the Browns at the time,

hit me up under my chin. My helmet went flying one way. His blood gushing. My jersey. I'm knocked out on the field. I'm knocked out cold. Wow. I'm knocked out cold. Wow. Like, knocked out cold.

I think he played for the Vikings too, Ocho. Check and see if Brian Russell played for the Vikings. Because I think he got me too, Ocho. He did? I think he did. No, Unc, Unc, listen. I was knocked out. I'm talking about knocked out.

Like, when you're in the boxing ring and somebody knocks you out, you sleep? Yes. But I would sleep on the field. Then, I'm not sure what happened after that in 2000 in 2002 he got me too ocho that was him hey he got he got a uh uh uh unnecessary roughness he talked about my bad i ain't i said what you mean your bad you dirty mofo oh listen he put his helmet right up under my chin on a scene. I had the stitches.

You can still see you can still see with a gas. I had a big gas. And after the game, the media wanted to interview me. I'm still concussed. Like, I'm sure if when they edit this and we talk about this, you can see me after the game. I'm still concussed. All I want to know is how to leave Biden do like you could tell I'm still woozy. No, I never, ever, ever, ever been hit

like that again. And obviously that's the hardest hit because I didn't see it coming. The stuff with Ray Lewis and stuff, I see those hits coming so you're able to tense your body and you embrace for it. That Brian Russell hit, nothing like that ever before.

You and I were both on the show. We start, I was in Baltimore in 2001 and we kicked off Hard Knocks. Yeah. You were on the fifth and the seventh season.

Yeah. Talk about some of your experience with the cameras and having to try to offer the fans a glimpse and a day in the life of a player that's in training camp, be it a veteran player.

Listen, that was one of the best experiences to me, obviously allowing people to see what it's like inside, inside of training camp, being a veteran player? Listen, that was one of the best experiences to me, obviously allowing people to see what it's like inside of training camp, seeing the way, the work ethic that not just I put in, but my teammates, what goes into day-to-day practices, our schedules as far as meetings. Obviously, the cutthroat part of the business, obviously, when it's time to get cut, but it was fun. It was very fun. Uh, just, just being myself, being authentic, being, being my, my organic, organic self. And, um, I, I, I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. It was the birth. It was the birthing of child, please. Uh, one of my sayings and kiss the baby and some other stuff like that.

And then just allow the people to see a different side of us outside of seeing the finished product on Sundays at 1 o'clock and what I like to call the politically correct interviews that we do on Sundays at the games. I think that's hard knocks. It's really good because it shows a different side of all the players. Yeah, it gives you an opportunity that the player is getting ready, the meeting time, how much meeting time, the prep work guys getting massages and the guys getting in the cold tub and the guys

doing things to get ready because you break it down you break your body down and then somehow you got to get it back together for the next day at practice and and and and the and the difficult side some of these players dreams will go unrealized you made it there but this is as far as it goes and the realization that my dream of being an nfl player is not going to materialize and now i've got to branch back into the real world and get you had a great run you were probably a pretty good high school player good to great high school player had a good had a very good excuse me college career but that next level isn't going to happen to you and sometimes watching the guys because you get you get close to some of the guys you see how hard and how much work they put into it and then to realize that you know what it's over now

yeah listen that's that's a tough job that's a tough job to do especially for coaches and when you get there when you hear that knock on the door you know and they bring your playbook man that's man that has to be one of the worst feelings and the fact that obviously hard nuts has cut it out i think i think they cut out that part where they where they show people getting released now right they no longer show that it's it's it's honest it's it's just it's just the truth of the business. And it's just the way it is. Obviously, my childhood dream, it wasn't even to be NFL player. I wanted to be a veterinarian. I wanted to be a marine biologist because I love dogs and I love killer whales. But the fact that grandma, obviously, with football being my outlet and something for me to do based on the area where I was in, because it's either you're playing sports

and there's no other route. I definitely wouldn't be no academic scholar. I can be honest with you. I'm just going to be honest with you. You got in prison. Hey, listen, but listen, listen, grandma is the reason I was able to make it, man. And that day when I saw that name, when I saw that name go across that ticker. Ticker? Yeah, she was the first one I went to, man. And I told her, I say, mommy, we made it. Man, she told me, listen, this is just the beginning of your journey.

Right. This is the beginning. And then it starts all back over again. It's an entire different set of goals that I had to set and conquer. Yep, you're absolutely right. And that's what a lot of times I tell the guys, I say, this isn't the end. This is the beginning. So now this is step one. You're here making the team. Now, is it just good enough that you made a team?

What do you want to be? I didn't want to be a guy, just a guy. I wanted to be the guy I wanted to be dependent on. I wanted the guys, I wanted people to have my jersey oh i wanted people to like throw the ball to sharp i wanted my teammates to say hey man get that thing man get that thing to sharp get that thing to sharp that's what i wanted to hear it wasn't good enough like i'm on the team oh yeah i play for the broncos broncos what position do you play you know do you start or what do you do no no no no no i i needed people to know i needed what when my grandmother turned the tv on my my sister would turn the tv on to the that the channel that we're gonna be on

right that she knew her baby was out there yeah maybe i saw my baby he was he had a good game so that's that's for me that was my goal that's what it was not just getting to the nfl because i've always, but now that I'm here, I can't go back. Right, right. Listen, I had no choice to go back because like my grandma told me, I got in trouble at Lanks University and I got thrown out of school. And I told you, I came home on a plane and she said, I washed my hands with you. I've done all I can do and shipped me to my mama. There was no coming back. So once I made it, once I got the opportunity in NFL, there were no more doors. There were no more

doors I could walk through. I had no choice but to make it work. And of course I get drafted by the Bengals. At that time, we were the laughingstock of the NFL. And I got my homeboys in the hood. We in Liberty City, we celebrating. It's like, God, Lee Ocho, boy, you went to the Bengals. They laughing like, listen, give me a year or two and it won't be so funny. I said, give me a year or two and I will do all I can to make sure we're not the laughingstock of the league, but I will make us fun to watch again. I will give that city and those fans something to be proud of. I will make people happy and feel okay wearing jerseys, Cincinnati jerseys, outside of Cincinnati. And I think I just did that. Obviously, the end goal is to have a Lombardi trophy, but that's a team achievement and accomplishment.

I fell short of that, but everything else, I lived up to. But going back, what was I going back to? The reason I fought so hard was I didn't have to go back, go back to visit, but what was I going back to the reason I fought so hard was I didn't have to go back go back to visit but I wasn't going back to stay there was nothing there was nothing there was no gravitational pull and that's what I didn't understand Ocho I had guys I had teammates in college when I got to Savannah State in 86 yeah and uh I remember there were guys in 80 even I can remember guys that were very talented. But they're like, man, Sharp, this ain't for me.

Man, I got to get back home. I mean, be it was a girl. I mean, I had a couple of teammates that had girlfriends back home. And they were homesick. You serious? Time out. Are you serious? Yeah, D.A., dead ass, yes.

They had to go back. I had a teammate that was so good he uh uh uh he went to he got he was he went to the league i ain't gonna call his name because i'm not gonna embarrass him but he wanted he wanted to come back and hang with his homeboys you want to come back and hang with his homeboys you dead ass he was he was good he was his feet his feet was as good as any db that i faced i'm not saying he was the best db that i faced even in league but his feet the way he could get in and out of breaks the way he could flip his hips but he wanted to be with his homeboys help me help me understand i've been playing the game of football since i was four years old

having the dream obviously of reaching the childhood pinnacle of my dreams of being an NFL player and getting the opportunity to do so. And his first thought was, I want to go home and hang on my homeboys. But see, that was your dream. I'm not so sure that was his dream. He happened to be good at it. He was good at it in high school. he was good at it in high school he was good at it in college but i mean at a certain point in time it comes you have to make up your mind how good do i want to be and do i want to make this a career right because you know once you get that level everybody everybody was all conference everybody was honorable mention all america this got a bucket and see the thing is oh children this is what i tell people whenever you come to the broncos or whenever you came to the ravens whatever award you want we had

to see what it deserved whether you were the buckus whether whether you were the thorpe you were the heisman trophy you were an all-american i needed to see why right right right right hey that's hard to picture man that's hard to picture i'm trying to wrap my head around even though even if that wasn't his dream to be able to reach the pinnacle of being one of the one percent like how do you say that and want to go back home go back home and do what how many homeboys you had in high school that was better than me i had oh yes it dropped out to smoke weed or dropped out to sell dope i know i know people i know people gonna see this that's from that's from miami i had so many people from miami central from miami

northwestern keelan high school i can go i can go through so many has so many schools where people were much better than i was i was decent i'm i'm like i like to call it i was a late bloomer i was a late bloomer there were some dudes that i I knew were going to the NFL that were much better than me. And for whatever reason, I don't know what happened. Obviously, once I left the college, you know, we all lose track at some point. We lose track of each other. But dude, there are people that I looked up to in high school. To this day, I can name them off. I wanted to be like them growing up. Magic Benton, Marquise Cooper, Cedric Cherry, Snoop Menace, Lynn Coleman. Wait, hold on, hold on. I got chills just right now thinking about some of them dudes, man. Tutu Atwell. I can keep going. Man, it's so many so many dude i want to be like all them boys and i look up to them and one of the reasons um not not cedric what's the role damn what's his name what's his name from norland man no not not samari because samari played with me remember samari was a senior and i was a freshman at bti okay he played receiver at um Roe. Omar Roe played receiver.

Like, I wanted to be like them. And one of the things that kept me going was watching them play when I was younger. And I just wanted to make it. I just wanted to be like Magic. You know, I wanted to be like, man, oh, my goodness. Tyrone Butterfield, Ronald Washington, all these dudes. Like, I'm like, oh, my goodness. I want to be like them and I think

the drive in me wanting to be successful like them is what got me to the NFL and still to this day I ain't seen these boys in so long but this is one of the few times I've been on a platform to tell them they probably gonna see this man I appreciate y'all because they is part of my motivation I just would I never saw him to be able to let him know yeah i think a lot of the best part about hard knocks let me get back on subject with the hard knocks is that yeah when i had we for no no no we good uh that's the one thing that we do we get to talk about what we want to talk about i mean hey look people you you tune in for the football takes but you stay for the stories uh but i had good because i i thought like kind of like after we did it, it kind of like a lot of other people wanted to get in the limelight.

I give Brian Billick, I give Ozzy a credit for this. It's about the players. So Goose, myself, rest in peace, Goose, Ray, Rod. It was about us. And let us give us an opportunity to show our personality. Because a lot of times it is about playing pranks. It is about playing jokes on one another and doing things. I wish you could like, if they could have a,

when I went back to Denver, how we used to steal teammates' car, drive them off for like, drive them like a mile. You could see it in the distance. We leave the car running with the doors open. So now you look up there on the hill, you look up there like, man, man, Sharp, man, why you do that? Man, I don't know what you're talking about, bro. I'm at practice.

How I take your car way up there and leave it on running with the doors open, man, and then when they get out, the battery dead. You know what I'm saying? Or we would take their clothes, dip them in the cold tank, and when they get out, put them in the cold tank when they get out put them in the freezer when they get out they still man ain't nobody did this but sharp bro why sharp did everything why i gotta be the guy y'all blame me they got me good my rookie year i never forget i had i had is 300 is 300 and um first car ever first guy obviously i didn't have i didn't have

a car until i got to the nfl i had a little smaller is 300 and they turned my car on roll the windows down and somebody took the fire extinguisher and they sprayed the fire extinguisher and let it off in the car so when i woke up the following morning the entire interior is all white so now i come out i come out i'm 38 hot i'm like yo i go to i go to coach it was dick laboe at the time i go to dick i say coach coach laboe man somebody playing around my car man i just got this like what we doing and then he explained to me how it goes on in nfl you're rookie it's a part of the hayden's a part of the routine boom same day same day i go to practice my clothes i wore to go to practice i come in they soaking in the cold tub yep they

didn't put they didn't put my clothes in the cold tub yeah so now i'm hot and i want to fight and then until i find out it's a goddamn d lineman it's a goddamn d linlineman. It's a goddamn D-lineman playing jokes. I ain't want no part of that. Yeah. I ain't want no part of that. So I understood. We did all kinds of stuff. I mean,

we got to be like, okay, you know, because we like to wait until the last minute. We already got our pants on. So we know we're going to grab your pants right there late.

So we're going to put powder or we'll put water in for your shoulder pants so when you reach up there and pull them down, dump it on you. Or I nail the locker shut. So I go by and

nail the locker shut. They can't get in it. What about the baby powder? Oh, yeah. The baby powder in the helmet? Or you put the helmet on? Oh, we put a warm snicker bar in your helmet?

Yeah. And you put it on? Oh. You'll be out there sweating chocolate and everything. Man, listen. Hey, but that was it. I mean, look, that was the get through. But you knew who to do that to and who not to do that to.

Who not to. Oh, yeah. Because it definitely caused a fight now. It get ugly now. It definitely caused a fight. It get ugly now. So you knew, you knew who to play with and who not to play with.

Shannon or Gil, have y'all had to take a dump while y'all played or had a teammate almost during the game? Nah. I mean mean normally guys like guys like

in the game we pee on the guys would pee on the sideline the trainer just come hold a bag we move in front of a piece of equipment and we just pee on the sideline if it was raining the offensive lineman guy would pee in their pants just go and it's wet you don't know

but nah nah nah, hell nah. What's wrong with y'all? Nah. Y'all would just pee on the sideline. I peed on the sideline a number of at least 10 times. On the sideline? Yes.

You just go in the bag. They just hold the bag and you pee in it. And the crowd get to see? We kneeling down. They don't know. Oh. Wow. Yeah, I'm saying.

But no. No, hell no. No, we just run to the back. We just go to the back. Like most of the people before the games, they nerves kick in. Whatever Red Bull or energy drink they took in, they're about to run through their body. So before the game, they running kick in, whatever Red Bull or energy drink they took in and about to run through their body.

So before the game, they running in the bathroom. Now, we was in those woods. I remember them guys had to go to the bathroom and they come back with no shirt. They had no toilet paper. They used their shirt. They used their shirt and they come back and have to work the rest of the day with no shirt on.

But that's not in the game. But NBA players boug game. Nah. But NBA players bougie. We had players that wouldn't even use the restroom at the facility. But see, that's the kind of players I'm talking about. Yeah, we wouldn't.

No, no. See, I can't just go anywhere. Nah, they got the energy. Me, personally, I'd rather go in the woods than go in the gym. I'd rather go in the woods than go in the gym. I'd rather go in the woods than go in the airport. You mix with beer? What's wrong with you, man?

Hey, nah. Man, I like to be free. I take off all my clothes. I go to the bathroom. I take off everything I got and throw it in the floor. I don't want nothing. I don't want nothing around my ankles. I want to be free.

Oh, man. Yeah, I'm just like, yeah, I'm butt naked. Clothes piled up in the floor. All of them. Y'all up there laughing. I don't know who. I don't know what. So I'm the only one that take off all the clothes to go number two in the

bathroom. I'm the only one. We not six, Unc. When we was six years old, we did two people. I took off every last thing I got. When we was six, Unc, we did that. We don't do that as a grown-ass adult, Unc.

You're trying to get comfortable. We're trying to get in and get out. But see here, the thing, though, Gil, that came from when I was growing up, we had to go in the woods. So you had to take off all your clothes because you didn't want to get none on your clothes. So you took off all your clothes. You put them in front of you and you went to the bathroom.

So as I got and I got an opportunity to go in the bathroom, I just took all. I just thought that was just a natural progression. I took off all my clothes. So if I go to the bathroom, I take off all my clothes and put them on the floor and I go to the bathroom, do what I do, put my clothes back on. I take off my shirt, my shorts, everything. I'll get down here like this.

Yeah, let me go. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. About to get busy on y'all. All the business work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I take my aim.

Come on. By the time you get off your clothes, we done finished and got out of there. This man... Gil, I'm telling you, when I first... I had this one... Like, I would like... I would...

I don't go to the bathroom. Like, if we upstairs, I had this one, like, I would like, I would, I don't go to the bathroom. Like, if we upstairs, I go downstairs. She's like, where you going? I'm like, I'm going to get something to eat. And I go to the bathroom. I don't tell her what I'm going to do. But I have my clothes piled up. Hey, I'm comfortable.

Go, come back upstairs. Like, dang, I didn't hear you open the refrigerator. I said, yeah, I just got some cookies or something. But nah, nah, nah, nah, not in the game. We ain't got to do no number two, but nah. I see, hey, somebody, am I the only one? Nah, I ain't the only one. I ain't the only one. I ain't the only one.

Yeah. Yeah. But no, I take up. No, I take off everything. Shoes, socks, shirt. Yeah. I don't got on nothing. I got to be.

I got to be. I got to have it all. I got to be free. I got to be comfortable. Hey, that's funny as hell. I'm not going to lie. That's funny. I'm not going to lie.

No, I don't fold no clothes. I just pile them up and down. Just throw them right there in the bin. Finish. Yeah, yeah. I got it. Wait, can you help me? Give me a little bit more context and understanding.

How is a video board affecting the kicks in any way? He said because the stadium, it used to be there was no board. And so the kickers took into account the win. But this kicker is a rookie. He never kicked without the video board. So what is he taking into account? Oh, okay. I see what you're saying.

I see what you're saying. He's struggling. I think he's missed four of his eight field goal attempts. And so he's struggling. And so when you have the longevity that you have with benatari right who's one of the two one of the two best i think tuck he and tuck are right there neck and neck he's just had more opportunities in bigger moments right right right you know the uh uh uh the tuck rule game he kicked the game with you know the

game time uh uh field goal in the game winner in the super bowl he he's walked off to super bowl clutch yes so with that being said to to i'm just trying to figure out what kind of adjustment is he making the kicker needs to make when he never kicked in the old state the stadium without the board we know that's that's funny that you do say that i'm i'm sure obviously in new england in new england, that wind is gusty at times, especially this time of year. Actually, from this time of year all the way up until January, it's going to be windy.

So what does a kicker need to do? What does he need to do and adjustments that he needs to make? As a kicker myself, you do know I can't kick, so I can make a testament to this. Kick rocks with a bull jive. That's what you can kick kick rock i want you to go outside tomorrow when you go outside to get in your car i want you to take your shoe off and the first rock you see i want you to kick it with your big toe why you are you really so you don't know nothing about my resume you don't know i was the back of you so you know i was the backup

kicker for cincinnati for the past for 11 years right you do know that right the backup kicker for Cincinnati for 11 years, right? You do know that, right? If our kicker ever got hurt, I was the backup. Good thing he never got hurt. So you don't act like you ain't seen me kick a field goal in the game and kick off when he pulled his groin? I can kick off. Who can kick off? Everybody kicked off in high school. Let me state this one more time.

So you've never seen me kick in a game, and we won the game based on one of the field goals i can one of the extra points no no no no no i saw that in the preseason huh so wait what preseason regular season what does that matter it's still in the game it's in the game it's in the game are we doing that but let me let me tell you what the kicker needs to do what he needs to do is understand the wind, understand the trajectory and which is coming off that scoreboard because it's going to always be the same no matter what when you're kicking that way facing the scoreboard.

All you got to do is adjust your steps. Adjust your steps, your alignment. Take your finger, do it like this, put it in the air, understand where it's coming from and make the proper adjustments that's necessary, and always kick away from the wind three to five inches when you kick, and it will always veer back to the middle. Boom, problem solved. Overchill, why would he take advice from you?

Would you take advice from him if he's telling you how to run a dig? Why wouldn't he? Okay, go ahead. If he was telling you how to run a speed out or a bang eight, would you take advice from him? I listen to him, but can I finish? Let me tell you something. Why wouldn't he take advice from me?

Because I played, I was a kicker in the NFL, and I'm perfect. I'm perfect. I had perfect execution. I was Justin Tucker before Justin Tucker. in nfl and i'm perfect i'm perfect i had perfect execution i was justin tucker before i was i was justin tucker before justin tucker i was robbie gold before robbie gold lead me on me on let me let me stand no i am tired oh i'm taking advice from people that did this or coached this for a living. That's not what you do. I did it for a living. I did it for a living. I did it in a precious situation, and I was clutch.

Don't take that away from me. Don't take that precious moment away from me. That meant a lot. That meant a lot to me. You drove a car with a clutch. So you had a manual. So you had a manual car. Okay, okay.

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it'd be very difficult because i mean there are a lot of players you know that that when the offseason come they've already run through really all of it they they really run through all their money and a lot of people in the chat you really really don't understand this, is like they can't wait till it gets in the season for those checks to start rolling in again. And the fact that it doesn't matter

that you're getting paid twice or three or four or five times more as opposed to when we was playing. If you're making more, you're spending more. Yeah, for sure. You're spending more. It don't change.

And sometimes it's goddamn almost like living check to check, even if you're making millions it don't change and sometimes it's goddamn almost like living check to check even if you're making millions that shit happens that's why the percentage of us when we're done playing

within two years huh two years once them checks stop rolling in boy you ain't got no money left I mean how many

how many Cuban links you need you know Joe okay you get you one you get you get you a little little bracelet to master your chain you straight right yeah do you need, Ocho? Okay, you get you one. You get you a little bracelet to master your chain. You straight, right? Yeah. Do you

need five Cubans? Yeah. Do you need a house in Miami, one in Houston, and plus, you know, you got to have, hey, you know, you got to have Ocho, you don't talk about that. Yeah, I already know you at. I already know you at. I'm with you when you're

right. I'm with you when you're right. I'm with you when you're right. And they got a G-Wagon. They got a Cullinan. They got, you know what I'm saying? Hey, I'm just saying. You can only,

you can only drive one. You can only drive one. Matter of fact, this is, this is a good scenario and a good case in point. Think about this. Chat,

stay with me real quick on this one right here. Think about everybody from Shannon Sharpe's era. Now think about all the players from my era. Show me any of the players from my era or Shannon Sharpe's era that are still living the same exact lifestyle as if they're playing the game of football. Think about it. Driving all the nice shit, all the big...

It's impossible to maintain that lifestyle when checks of that magnitude stop rolling yeah there's nothing else in this world where you can you can make 650,000 a week nothing it's impossible you can make 250,000 every monday 350,000 every every these guys making three million a game yeah and the funny thing about it is is you make it through me in the game and you think you know what it's always going to be like this so you're spinning unconsciously uncut having fun fashion cars going here trips you know you got a bunch you got you got a bunch of chicks so you know you're tricking off as you're tricking off as well if you bring your homeboys with you before you know they ain't paying for nothing oh they got entourages the entourages that's a lot of

miles ain't nobody paying for nothing well when you look up you and year six when you look up year and year eight oh god forbid you have an injury oh shit, shit. Oh, Joe. Boy, listen. That shit go fast, boy. Whatever you make, whatever I make, I go and take half of it. I put it in the bank. That Uncle Sam. Might as well. Because I pay my taxes quarterly. I got tired of writing $3, $4 million checks at the end of the year.

I said, no, you take this. It's quarterly. Because it would hurt my pride to see that. I'm like, I got to pay that much? I'm like, what the? So what I do is that, hey, whatever I make, I get $100,000, I get $200,000, I get half a million, $250,000 gold

or $100,000 gold or $50,000 gold. I set that aside. Now, this is what I got towards my expenses because Uncle Sam got to get, he got expenses. I got to pay Uncle Sam. He got a big old house. Yeah, he got a big old house in D.C., the big one.

And then he got another building. I think they call it the Capitol. And then they got the Pentagon. And we got all them stealth bombers and, you know, them F-16 Mahornets. I got to pay my part in all that. Right. I understand that. Also, Ocho,. Oh, yeah. I got to pay my part in all that. Right. I understand that. Also, Ocho, you got an agent.

He'll get two to four percent. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, most definitely. You know what's funny? If we had somebody, I think the casual fan, you have to be a player to understand. The casual fans see the numbers at the end of the day and think, oh, my God, he signed for 250 or 300 or whatever it may be. But when you break down the numbers and actually you get that chop in half with Uncle Sam take, then you factor in your expenses. Then you think about what goes to your agent.

Then you think about what you got left over. It shrinks significantly. Regardless of what those numbers say going across that tick on ESPN. It's a different ballgame. It's all smoke and mirrors. I'm talking about the real, like what you can touch. But see, Ocho, the best thing that I did, was I switched ages the agent that I have he represented John I remember asking John I said John who's your agent he told me his name Marvin Demoff

I said you think he'd be interested in representing me he's like I don't know but here's this number gave his number I called him um had a meeting with him. He says, I'll meet you at the Pro Bowl. He asked me, what did I want in my future? I told him, I said, I want to live the same lifestyle that I have right now. He said, you have any kids? I said, I got three. How old? I told him how old they were.

He said, do you support anybody outside of your kid? I was like, my mom. I helped my mom out. My mom was still working at the time. I said, my grandmother, my sister, at the time, my brother had just retired. I said, I take all that responsibility. He says, go home. Get me all your financials of how much you actually have. Get me everything that you spend.

And then I'll get back to you in 30 to 45 days. Brought him everything I had. Like, wow. I mean, you don't blow a lot of your money. I don't see boats. I don't see. At that time, Ocho, I had, you know, had nice cars, but I always, I never, I didn't have a car note. So I had paid him off in cash.

Right. Right. No trips. He says, this is what we're going to do. He says, we're going to do this, this, this, and this. He says, anytime you have an appearance, he says, I want you to divide it up and put it in an account for each kid

college. So we're going to do that. Every time you go do something, no matter how, that's not yours. That's theirs. Okay. Boom. He says, now your contract is going to come up, you know, Hey, we're going to talk about this. We'll see what the market is. He said, this is what we're going to do. He said, the first, you know, it's half. Yeah. But I want you to take whatever you get, whatever we get. I want you to take a third

and say, I'm not going to touch it for 20 years. Okay. That was three years. We go to Baltimore. I'm a free agent. I'm a free agent. I'm a bouncer. You know what's coming.

Seven-time Pro Bowler, four-time first team, seven consecutive Pro Bowler four time first team yeah seven consecutive pro bowl i'm on the market yeah whatever we get shannon he said i want you to take a third and put it away for 20 years you can't touch it for 20 years now hold on i want you to think about it now 20 years i'm like what the hell yeah what if what if something unforeseen you know brother mom sister said shannon i want you to put a third for 20 years man ocho you know so i went earlier this year and i talked i was talking to him and he said I need you know give me your financials I brought him all the financials uh huh

Ocho you know what he told me he said go buy yourself something I said but 20 years and you ain't touch it ain't touch it I already know what it's looking like you ain't got to tell me

you ain't got to tell me so that's why that's why when Fox did what they did O'Shea was straight now Stephen A plus they had to do the payout but O'Shea they straight. Now, Stephen A. Plus they had to do

the payout. But old Stephen A came by with his little light bulb. He said, hey, I heard somebody over here need a little sifter. I said, yeah, you know, a little car broke down inside the road. He said, come on. Oh, triple S? Yeah.

So now, so now so now I'm thinking okay I've got the kids and the grandkids right I'm trying to get my grandson kid and his kid

right but there wasn't no fancy going on no this and no extravagant stuff like that. No. My sister, hey, Shannon, get me, hey, I don't need no, you know, you know what I did, Ocho?

I got my sister. I bought her. She told me she wanted a limited, that's why, you know, the Southern, you know, they don't speak correctly. Right, right. I heard expedition. She said limited edition.

Right. So at that time, the expeditions had just came out. I said, so I told her, I said, Libby, I got your expedition. She said, Shannon, what is that? I said, I wanted a limited edition. She wanted an Explorer, but she wanted a limited edition Explorer. Limited edition Explorer. I heard Expedition.

So I done went to the dealership and got it. Actually, Elway had a car dealership. I done went to the dealership and got it. The wrong thing. I done got the wrong thing. She's like, Shannon, I don't want that. But just so happened, the dealership in my hometown, they had one on the lot.

Right. So you just traded it? You traded it back? She's like, uh-uh. I want it. I want it. I want it. I bet you do want it.

I bet you do want it. So, but that was the thing. And so, and that, oh, Joe, see, I'm just watching. It's like, I've always been a provider. And I understand that I'm the baby of the group and I'm, you know. Yes, sir. But I'm the, I take over, I took over everything.

Because once my brother left, now I got all the responsibility. So that's my thinking. That's why family, I put family above everything. And I don't play about my family. My thing. So when something, if something's bothered my family it bothers me bothers you because i'm close like that and i gave my grandmother on a deathbed i got this and when i say i got it you got it hey my brother hey go to bed rest easy you

ain't never got to worry about money let me go to bed sleep easy you ain't never got to worry about money hey guys i want to say this uh my sister had the surgery both her hips repaired she's already home she's walking she competitive she's just trying to beat me because i was i was walking unassisted the second time in six days with her paired hip so she's trying to beat me she don't walk up and down the hall and she all around and everything. My cousin called me and said, uh, I asked her how she was doing. She said,

when I got there this morning, Libby was already set up. She was already done giving herself up. I said, you'll see that helpful. She's just trying to beat me. She make me sick, but that's,

that's how I am. So I, I say, and people like, well, man, you bro. To what I make,

to what I spend, the ratio is not even close. It's not even close. You know mine worse than yours. But mine has always been like that. You know, it's a discipline that you learn very early. Very early. Because we heard the stories, Ojo. We've seen it.

I've seen guys that I've played with man in this they they they down bad man listen i think it might have been my first year might have been my first year and i went second round obviously 30 i forgot what pick i went you know and i i think my signing bonus might have been what maybe 1.5 1.2 something like that Lord oh listen and you in Florida there ain't no state tax so you got

you know yeah you know you're young now and so I'm thinking I'm having fun I'm having a good old time I look up

off season come boy I done ran through all that. Hey, listen to me now. I done ran through all that because I wasn't paying attention and I hadn't learned to say no. And Chad, listen, family, y'all stay with me because I can tell y'all this. And I'm going to tell you where the discipline come from for me because it started early after that first year. The off-season that came, we it started early after that first year. Unc, the off season that came, we got into the middle of the season.

We got about, we got about to maybe April or May. I never forget. I was with Jerome Stanley at the time. But Unc, I had, I had ran out. What? You hear me? Let me take my glass off. You know, I play a lot.

Unc, I had ran out. I ain't had nothing left. know I play a lot. I had ran out. I ain't had nothing left. So I talked to Mr. Stanley. I said, Mr. Stanley, man, I done messed up. Do no problem. Boom. Dennis Northcutt, Cleveland Browns wide receiver.

In chat, if anybody in the chat know Dennis Northcutt, I guarantee I'll tell you. Dennis Northcutt had to give me $150,000. Might have one maybe maybe yeah it had to be year one because I after that I was on point Dennis Northcutt had to give me 150 grand so I can get through so I can get through the season get through the off season and when them checks started rolling in I shot buddy that money back um from that point on what boy, you talking about cheap? Yeah. Man, listen, I became so financially conscious

of everything I did. Started going to Clev's. I got that smart car probably in 2004. I treated myself to things that I got nice. That was all, if it wasn't the commercial money,

if it wasn't TV money, you know all that stuff I had going off the field. I ain't touched no more NFL checks from that point on when I couldn't make it through a goddamn offseason. Ocho, I mean, so you think about it, you got one five. You got to realize I was making 63. My rent at Millpond, I made 63,000 my rookie year. Millpond, the rent was five.

Hold on. First of all, you couldn't do like, you know how you got to do a rent. You got to do a rent like a year. But hold on. Let's see. I got the apartment because I couldn't move in. But

this is how I had, God was looking out for me. My apartment wasn't going to be ready. So I made the team in August. My apartment wasn't going to be ready. So I made the team in August. My apartment wasn't going to be ready until the 1st of October. I ain't got nowhere to stay. Ocho, I ain't got no

place to go. Man, unless I go to the hotel. Hotel probably about 50 bucks a night. Ocho, everybody know Melvin Bratton. you may call him Fat Cat. Mel! Fat Cat said, hey, I got him

the first two weeks. You take him the next 10 days. Bobby Humphrey. Ricky Nat, you bring it home. So I slept with Fat Cat the first two weeks. Then I went to Bobby Humphrey. They dropped me off. Mel took, at that time I ain't had no car two weeks. Then I went to Bobby Humphrey. They dropped me off.

Me male took it. At that time, I ain't had no car just yet. Then I got my car in the process. I'm living with B-Hump. Then Hump, as a matter of fact, no, I ain't got no car because I'm driving Ricky the Teal. Ricky the Teal let me drive. He had a 4x4 based out.

He let me drive. He let me drive his front runner. For five weeks, I'm living with teammates. So now, October, November, December, January, February, March, I got to get six months. I ain't living there.

So I'm paying $1,000 for a place I ain't even living. I got to go back and finish up my degree. I stay in this place called Royal Oaks. And anybody in Savannah, you know Royal Oaks. Ocho, a thousand bucks a month. And I got a furnishing.

And I got a place to go back to Savannah State. So I pay for my own tuition. Now, had the president, had some of these presidents that I've been dealing with, they probably would have said, well, come on back. But I had to pay. I paid no problem. It wasn't no problem, even though I wasn't making money like that. They just, Ocho, you know

NFL, people say, you've been paying professionals this, you make a lot of money. But I wasn't. Had a cell phone. Now, I don't know if you know this, Ocho, but people, if y'all know, back in the 90s, they had a Roman charge. So my phone phone. Now, I don't know if you know this, Ocho, but people, if y'all know, back in the 90s, they had a Roman charge. So my phone was based out of Colorado.

I brought the phone back to Georgia. Anytime I power it up, I'm Roman. $3, $4 a minute. And you know, you boy been time with Ocho. You know, I've been so mad. I've been time with you. Yeah. Right, right, right. I'm on my way.

Hey, bro. Hey. Man, what's going on? I called my brother. I said, bro, what's going on? He like, I said, man, your boy Money Jump funny. He like, what you mean? Man, don't you know?

Don't you know? Don't laugh. Don't you know? I said, boy, your boy Money Jump funny. I said, man, money jump front I said man you know yeah I said man I'm um I'm trying to go back to school you know finish up my degree yes sir and you know he said well the first thing I want you to do is turn that damn phone off I'm like all right right yeah yeah get that room now because the bill was like the bill was like, oh, I got to be like twelve hundred dollars for a sale. Yes. Damn. In the 90s. Twelve hundred.

Now, mind you, I'm still paying five hundred five, ten, five, twenty five at Mill Pond. I'm still paying. I got twelve. I got like a thousand. I think it was like a thousand,029 at Royal Oaks and I had to go to rental center because I ain't got no furniture. So I got to rent furniture, furnish the whole apartment like $250, $300 a month

and I got to pay to go back to school. I ain't got no money coming in though, Cho. Yeah. Hey, listen, I don't think people understand, man. I don't think people understand man i don't think people understand obviously the money's a little bit different today but again the if the discipline

isn't there i learned quick i learned quick it took me one year one year of well i finally made it i went through it holy i'm back i'm back at square one. And somebody else that had been playing got to send me enough just to survive during the offseason? Oh, no, boo-boo. I would never ever, ever, ever be in this situation again. Ever.

And I tightened up real quick. Hey, Dennis, Dennis Northcutt, if you see this, I know you're going to see this. Boy, I appreciate you because it's because of you that got me to get myself together. So. Never forget it.

Going into my second year, my second year, get ready. So now, Ocho, I'm a, you know, first two years, I made $63,000. I think I made $63,000 and then $73,000. Got a $10,000 raise. And so by this time we hope I got a I ain't got no contract right on the contract. Oh Joe so but I kept

my place year round this time. So I'm playing ain't got no pay ain't got no money coming in. You know, I'm spending, you know, I'm going to black college beat. We you know, you bought going to Black College beat. You know, you boy, you know, you boy doing that thing. Oh, oh,

freak Nick, you boy. Yeah. My brother called me. He said, look here. And this is the first, this is really the only time in all, in all my years my brother's ever cursed at me. The only time ever. He picked up brother's ever cursed at me. The only

time ever he picked up the phone, he called me. I said, what's up? You know, I mean, what's up, bro? Hey, what's up? We good? Yeah, you're right. I could tell by the tone of his voice. He wasn't in a joking mood. I'm like, what's up, man?

Oh, yeah. This is what he said to me, verbatim i'm not gonna go broke fucking with you and hung up that's the only time my brother has ever uttered a curse word at me the only time right Only time. Right. Say no more. Yeah. Say no more. Because I... Hey, but listen. Oh, Joe, because I'm thinking, man, I'm going to be his, like, bro.

And, you know, later he explains to me, he's like, bro, you don't understand. An injury here or something happened there that you not going to... You not going to play in the NFL if you were a doctor or a lawyer or had a normal occupation your career is not going to be as long as theirs and you needed to understand that right yeah but he was the only one and my sister would have called me i said get out my face but that was the only time and from that moment on well i have no choice i started having babies and you know yeah oh you ain't got no choice. I started having babies and you know. Yeah.

Oh, you ain't got no choice. That'll get you right. The three words. That'll get you in order real quick. Three words I hated. Three words to this day and I ain't heard them since. I love you. Shannon, I'm pregnant.

God! God! Woo! God! Got to be more careful. Okay, let's look at this Athletic released their annual player survey. Players were asked about their favorite stadium to play in. What do you think the number one stadium to play in was?

The number one? Yes. This was easy for me. I got it. Because it was my favorite stadium. You're number one or everybody else? No, it was theirs. The current players anonymously were asked their favorite stadium.

I'm trying to think. Maybe I'm thinking I'm going to just go with the two loudest stadiums that wouldn't be a favorite though arrowhead or or the 12 man out there in seattle arrowhead was number one it was a good one u.s bank stadium which is minnesota stadium number two yeah it's loud but to go there and to see it's a sea of red yeah and they bring that bt b2 uh b2 bomber over and it's just like hovering and it's right there but you don't hear it until it gets past you and then it is rumbling the stadium is actually rumbling and all you see is red and the national anthem and the home of the Chiefs.

I remember that. You can feel the wind of all those people saying Chiefs. It just gives you goosebumps and you know you got to be on your best behavior. Now when we played them, they're mile high but you have to understand it was Now, when we played them, they're mile high,

but you have to understand it was different because when I played them in the 90s, they were all a defensive team. They were loaded. They had DT. They had Dale Carter, DT, Neil Smith, James Hastie. They had Deron Cherry, Martin Bayless, Dan

Salamua, Joe Phillips. They were loaded on the defensive side. They had Barry Ward, Christian Acorio. So Marty Schottenheimer was the coach. They run the ball. Marty wasn't going to do anything crazy and then turn it over to his defense. And you see, they get you backed up.

DT running the end zone and do this. That's what y'all want to see? And the fans go crazy. Oh yeah, he said, that's what y'all want to see? Okay. They get that's what y'all want to see and the fans go crazy oh yeah he said that's what y'all want to see yeah okay they get you backed up Ocho they get you backed up it got so loud they had to change the rules because Dan told us we went there one time and Dan says John if you can't hear just turn to the official and tell him you can't hear. Why not go on silent count? But that was before the silent. There was no silent count.

We ended up, teams ended up going to the silent count, but the official would make the crowd, the home crowd quiet down so you could hear the snap. And they said, if you didn't quiet down, they would start taking timeouts.

Oh, okay, okay. The NFL said, no now we can't have that that's the whole purpose of having home field advantage is to have your crowd get into it so they changed the rule and then everybody started going on the silent count okay Arrowhead was number one US Bank Stadium the Vikings was

number two the least favorite stadium to play in what do you think the players voted? I'm trying to think. I would go, well, obviously the Raiders aren't at the black hole, so it's nice over there, so the black hole wouldn't be, I'm trying to think, least

favorite. I got both of these. Which fan base is really crazy? Maybe the Eagles? Eagles. What about the Eagles? No, not the Eagles Eagles Eagles by the Eagles or the Eagles. No, not the Eagles. No, the old Eagles when I played Eagles used to play at the vet

which was turf. It was concrete with basically a carpet laid on top of it. Ouch. It was terrible. Yes, the players voted MetLife is where the Jets and the Giants play. Oh, that is a bad stadium and Fed. And FedEx Field. Because remember, they just had

no hot water just last week. And the toilet's been backing up from what I've heard. When I played, I would say that the Eagles play the old Astrodome. They did away with that before you got into the league.

Cleveland Municipal Stadium was a dump. Yeah. Yeah, it was a dump, Ocho. It was bad. It was really, really bad. Yeah. The most annoying fan base. I know you're going to get this one.

They crazy. You got to be Eagles. Man, the Eagles threw snowballs at Santa. You know they ain't wrapped too tight they say santa ain't bring them ish so that he deserved it yeah okay the eagles were number one who's number two number two fan base that's really crazy oh joe come on now it's it's a good one because hey the bills nope no most annoying oh annoying oh okay um oh the cowboys thank you okay okay okay okay okay thank you but you know but see i came along we didn't really

know how annoying a fan base was because there's no social media so there was nobody on dino y'all you suck cowboy nation and and and Eagles Fly, whatever. Eagles Fly, because I think Ravens flock, Eagles Fly. There was none of that going on. So we didn't get it until you got there. But every fan base was rabid. For me, this is the way I approached it, Ocho. I was so secure in my job.

I'm going to tell you. See, I talked to guys, and every guy that backed up me went to the Pro Bowl. Todd Heat, when I was in Baltimore, I left. He went to the Pro Bowl. Dwayne Carswell and Byron Chamberlain, when I left, Carswell went to the Pro Bowl for the Broncos. Chamberlain went to the Pro Bowl for the Vikings. But we had that relationship.

I know they couldn't get my job. I was secure. But I needed them. If something was secure, but I needed them. If something happened to me, I needed them to know, damn, even though they didn't have the physical abilities that I had, I needed them to know. The team couldn't miss a beat. How selfish am I going to be to withhold anything that could help them?

Because people help me. I remember being in training camp and having a guy tell me the wrong route. And I said, if I ever got in that situation, I would never do that to a player. Wait, somebody told you the wrong route? Yeah. It's my fault. No. Bro, it's cutthroat. We're both low-round picks.

He's trying to make the team. I'm trying to make the team. Okay. Oh, he on that. Yeah. Oh, he on that. And I just swore. I said, Lord, if I'm fortunate enough to ever make it, i'm trying to make the team okay oh he on that oh yeah he on that oh and i said i just swore i said lord if i'm fortunate enough to ever make it i'm gonna tell a lot of guys i see guys coming in the huddle and i could tell you can tell when a guy coming to huddle he don't know what the hell he got to do i said man you hey you got to come back so and so yeah you hot now hey you hot make sure you hey hey you got this right but if it's covered too you got to release outside and run and run the fade so are you oh joe you know when a guy coming there he don't know what the hell he doing so before and and and the thing that i like they were patient

with me oh joe man i ain't know nothing let me tell you i'll tell you a true story oh joe dan reeve used to send the plays and he had a player, you know, I run a play, I'll come back out. Next play, he sent me in with the play.

So, I'm tired now. I don't got tired. You know, when you get tired, Ocho, you know, fatigue will make cowards of a song. So,

Dan got his hand on my shoulder. He said, he tell me to play. I run in the ball game. I breathe. And John look at me. John said, what's the play? I said, I forgot. I run in the ball game. I breathe in. John, look at me. John said, what's the play?

I said, I forgot. I'm out. I did, Ojo. I'm sorry. Ojo, I want to go. Why you forgot to play from the sidelines? Man, Joe, I forgot. You know, I'm running.

I'm jogging. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I get in the huddle I'm down John look at me he's like T what's the play I was like oh shit I forgot I did man I forgot man I didn't want to

look over there Dan cause I already know he was cursing yeah he was hot. I said, oh, man. Man, waste of time out, man. He waste of time out. Les Stecker was the first coach that I took when I made it. I took him and his wife. Then Brian Periani came after Les, after Wade Phillips' staff left.

So now I go to the Pro Bowl. I bring BP, his wife, Les, and his wife, Chris. And then I go to Baltimore. I make the Pro Bowl. I take Wade Harmon, my position coach, his wife. BP, his wife, who's still at the Broncos. Les Deckel. Okay.

That's live. I bring them out there, fly them out, put them up at the hotel, and we go do a dinner. I'm just just you know what i just want people to know i've never i've never been naive enough to think that i got to where i am by myself right so i wanted them to know that i appreciate what you had done for me right less deco, he's probably, probably first to second. Coach Hall, who was my high school coach, he drove the bus for my mom.

He coached all my uncles, coached my aunts, and he coached me and my brother. So he's probably, he's my favorite coach. But Les Steckle's probably a close second because the relationship that he and I have to this day, he calls me. He calls me every one of my kids' birthday. Les hadn't coached me in 30 years. He calls me

every birthday for each of my kids. Now, he calls me sweetheart. That was him, sweetheart. Sweetheart. Sweetheart. I just want him to know now he calls me sweetheart that was him sweetheart he always every time sweetheart sweetheart i just want him to know i wanted bp to know i wanted wado to know bro these pro these all pro y'all help this yeah invited them all now some of them came uh less came less circle came i mentioned less in my speech bp came

wado didn't get to come because uh he was coaching at the time invited them all to the hall all my because i appreciate it i appreciate everything everything that i was everything that i had accomplished up until that point as far as as far as you know sports wise especially football those guys had a large part to do with it. And that was my way of saying thank you. Yeah, I think what I did, obviously, when I made the Pro Bowls and the fact that I was in Hawaii, I think the players of the day, they will never understand what it's like to make the Pro Bowl and what a treat it was to make the Pro Bowl back then because it was an actual treat. It was an actual treat and a trip for the family.

Obviously, I took my kids, my family. I took my coach, my coach who was my trainer throughout the offseason because he's responsible for who I was. He's responsible for the confidence. He's responsible for the bravado and really making me into the player I was. I took him all the time. Obviously, my grandma and my mom and my homeboys out the hood. My homeboys out the hood who I grew up with. I wanted them to have that experience and go go on that journey with me.

So I took them, you know, maybe one or two times. Other than that, it was always, you know, my kids and my grandma, my mom, my my my sister. She went the first two times. My brother made it in eighty nine and ninety. And she was done. She didn't want to go anymore go anymore yeah um she's like it's too far to fly um she was excited she'd be excited for two days and then she's basically you know ready to go home ready to go home so she's worried about she's worried about my grandmother because we got to have one of my aunts to come in and sit with my grandmother and you got to realize okay california to georgia the three hour time difference and there's another two hours so it's's five hours. So you're thinking one thing, and Granny's already in the bed. And so by the time you want to call this in the morning,

you go into bed, and Granny's just getting up. So after that point, so I never got a chance to bring her. My mom didn't really care to go. So that was – it was just basically me and my coaches. I would take the coaches and, you know, a couple couple of times have a couple of teammates uh which was which were cool and then uh in 2001 one of my last year in in baltimore to have ray and woody to go uh that was fun but it was always fun to get an opportunity to see the guys that you compete against and right right get around and eat burgers and and you know

order the mai tais and the blue hawaiians and the drinks and and tell the story and you get an opportunity to see coach belichick you see a peyton manning let their hair down now all of a sudden it's no more coach speak now all of a sudden it's just like they're having a great time hey sharper you want something hey but hey and now we hey, man, what's your room number? Oh, I'm such and such. Oh, now you got it. Oh, yeah, you messed up. You never give nobody your room number.

Never give nobody your room number. You're going to charge me about $4,000 because I'm charging every drink. Hey, charge in the room 609. 609. Now, what you want? You want burger fries? You want a drink? Yeah.

Your wife, your kids need anything? Oh, yeah, we get you. I remember them days. They got you, boy. They got you. They got me. I went over there back then. The Buffalo was heavy.

Thurman Thomas, Bruce Biscuit, Cornelius Bennett, Jim Kelly. I'm like, Cornelius Bennett, Jim Kelly. With Jim Kelly, I'm like, Jim, you're not a rookie. Jim buying everybody. Jim Kelly is the great – he might have been the greatest Pro Bowl teammate because he's there for everything. I don't know what he was with the quarterback, but they just benevolent.

They just – Right, right. You want a drink? Bro, I don't need a drink, but okay. Okay. So you don't feel like I'm turning you down. Sure, I'll take one. But it's great, and that's the best part about it.

That's the thing that, you know, going to the Pro Bowl, meeting the guys, get an opportunity to sit around and talk and meet their family. Oh, this is my mom, this is my dad dad and take the pictures with their brothers and sisters and uh that that was that was a great experience for me and seeing people out of that element yeah that football element yeah and actually I think the first time I actually uh seeing Ray Lewis well me and Ray knew each other for years but seeing Peyton Manning yeah Peyton Manning being okay this is not the same Peyton I saw throughout the season this isn't the same Peyton that does the interviews seeing Peyton Manning be Peyton Manning and not having to be politically correct

yes yes questions with a mic in front of his face was one of the most enjoyable moments like oh shit these dudes are normal they know they just they just like they just like me you know in a sense and the fact that they always have to mask it once you playing football and once you're putting that helmet on like that has to be that has to be draining to actually change like a chameleon and be someone we just can't be you i'm thinking i, I'm trying to think, I think my last pro bowl, I think Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Steve McNair,

rest his soul, might've been my quarterback. Wait, you was there. Wait, when you was 2001. Okay. My last year in Baltimore.

Okay. 2001. My, my last year, my last year in Baltimore. Oh, I had some great ones i mean i played with uh marino elway kelly uh warren moon oh joe montana was my quarterback what year yeah what year i think it was danny joe montana and moon uh i had elway ke Kelly, Marino. Oh, I...

God damn. Hey, you boy. Hey, I went over to try to get me one catch. That's all I wanted to do. Get me one catch. Let my grandma see me catch a pass. And get out of the game. Oh, Ocho. Let me tell you what happened. One year

in 96, Jacksonville had beat us. Jacksonville had beat us in the playoffs and so it was me and coats are the tight ends it's been coats yeah now you know it's only two tight ends and we're running double tight we're running two tight ends now we got we got i said bro why is it come on man, man. Now, mind you, I ain't got no contract. I'm a free agent. Right, man. And I say, look here, man, y'all need to stop running this

double tight stuff. I'm going to play the first being going to play the second. I'm going to take it to third bin, bring it home. Right. They kept running double tight. I went got me two bags ice and put on my knees. I said, you got it the rest of the way. Come on, sharp. Don't do knees. I said, Ben, you got it the rest of the way. He said, come on, Sharp. Don't do it.

I said, hey, Sharp done. Hey, don't play with that money, huh? I ain't even get my money yet. Don't play. Oh, no. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Oh, man.

As a matter of fact, Dermot, Dermot and Dawson, to tell you, he pulled his hamstring at the Pro Bowl and he was never the same. Wait, he was going full speed? Tried to catch somebody on the interception. I think he tried to catch time. Look it up, Jermaine Dawson. Yep.

Oh, man. But you have to understand, Ocho, back then, guys would, I mean, you know, back then, the winning prize was $10,000. The losers got $5,000. The losers got 5,000. Right, right, right. So by the time you brought everybody over there, that 5,000 was gone. Oh, that's gone. Hell, that 10,000 was gone.

That's gone. That's gone. Now come third, come fourth quarter, oh, Brucie, Cortez, Seau. Oh, they going serious. Oh, they coming now. They ain't going. They coming. They done been bulljabbing for three quarters.

Now the money on the line. Yeah. They coming now. They done been bulljabbing for three quarters. Not a money on the line. Yeah. They coming. That's how we was too. We was the same way. Yeah. Oh, it was. And you know, in practice, you know, guys, you know, T-time, T-time. Rest your soul, Junior

said, man, I want to play tight end. Okay. Hey, he playing tight end I'm playing linebacker Coach Compton call the practice on because we had all the defensive players wanting to play the position

they all want to play offense and then he's like we're not getting anything done he called again hey take it in

okay we booked them out of there that's all it comes down to that's all it comes down to when That's all it comes down to. When you finally find that franchise quarterback, all you have to do is build around him. Because they have the weapons.

He has the support and cast. You got the running backs. You got the receivers. Deontay Johnson and God damn. The attitude is terrible. The attitude is fierce for Ocho. I mean, let's think about why they're upset. It doesn't matter.

You just mentioned it. That's unimportant. You just said it out yourself. You just said it yourself. Ocho, we've all had, Ocho, we've all been in situations

where the quarterback was less than ideal. Right, right, right. But that's frustrating. That's frustrating. I'm sure you got upset too

when your quarterback was less than, well, you got lucky. shit you had god damn John anyway I did I had you was fortunate everybody wasn't as fortunate as you was when they played I played 14 years I had

John for nine of those years and also John missed half a season one year but I understood but here's the thing for me I always tried to put on a positive because I didn't want the younger guys to think that behavior was acceptable. Right, right, right. I always, I came to work.

I was a professional at all times. I came to work on time. I went to meeting on time. I practiced hard. I did what I was supposed to because I wanted to show the younger guys, this is what it takes to be successful. You want to have a long career? You want to win? This is what

you need to do. Yeah, I got frustrated. Ocho, yes, I want the ball. Yes, I believe I can help this team out of this funk if I were to get the ball. But, I mean, I just want to know what was pouting and throwing helmets and throwing water coolers. What the hell was that going to help? That wasn't going to give me the ball.

It wasn't going to get you to the ball but being able to it's hard for receivers when you get frustrated yeah and you sometimes your emotions get the best of you you know i'm i'm trying to think have i ever ever gotten like that on the sideline i think yeah once yeah maybe once yeah Yeah, maybe once. Yeah. Maybe once because I was one that didn't want to show up any of my teammates. I didn't want to show up my coach. So I was able to control it because I knew the camera was always on me. So I kind of kept it mellow even though I was frustrated on the inside.

Yes. And you could tell by my body language when things weren't going well. Or they were allowing another team to dictate whether I can get the ball or not. And that shit really pissed me off. That shit really pissed me off. That shit really pissed me off. That grinded my goddamn testicles when they allowed another team to dictate whether I can get off or not. That bothered me. We did not game plan and have meetings for hours and hours and hours of practice and watch hours and hours of film to come out here on a Sunday and tell them,

well, if you play this defense, we can't get the ball at 85. That don't sit right with me.. That don't sit right with me. That just don't sit right with me. Because if that's the case, then I ain't need to goddamn practice. You're going to let them do me like that. That's just my mindset and the way I thought, you know, but I mean, that's neither here nor there. But I just, and the thing is like, I'm a big believer in that showing up the quarterback

also. And that was never that, never, I'm a big believer in that showing up the quarterback also. And that was the thing. Never that. Never that. Never that. See, that was the relationship that I had with John. I was never going to show him up. All I asked him, look, give me an opportunity to protect myself because I'm going to do

my best to come down with it or it's going to be incomplete. And I'm never going to give up on a play. And so he didn't like if he missed you you like oh matter of fact yo i did that once to carson we were playing we were playing the steelers he overshot a ball he overshot it or it was it was out of reach and i was wide open and i took my chest strap and i snapped that bitch soon as soon as the as soon as the ball, you know, it was out of reach. Man, I walked back to the huddle. That nigga Carson said, man, if you ever motherfucking do some shit like that again, I won't throw your ass a ball the rest of the game.

That's what, hey, hey, that was, hey, you like, you like, you like, you like catching football? I like, yo. He said, you won't get no more. Listen, I ain't never seen Nash snap on me like that. One time, I'll never forget, we was playing the Steelers. And the fact that when we're playing the Steelers, the balls and opportunities I'm going to get are already slim to none because when I come out the huddle,

they are making the defensive play call based on where I line up. So I already know the two or three balls or four balls I might get, I got to make the most do with them. And when he missed that one, man, I snapped my motherfucking chin strap walking back to the huddle. And man, he came into my face mask and

said, man, if you ever motherfucking show me up like that again, you'll never catch a motherfucking ball again. I ain't even say nothing because God yeah it was a prime time game it was a prime time game yeah oh yeah i never forget i i hope i hope when we edit i hope somebody could find that clip yeah somebody gotta find that oh yeah that'd be a good reference yeah john john didn't play that and so i always made made sure I'm like, hey, bro, don't do that. Don't do that. That ain't what we do.

Right. So, yeah. I lost myself, though, that one time. I lost myself that one time. But see, that's the thing, though, Ocho, is that I didn't show him up. And when I dropped a pass or I did something. Right. Hey, we talked about it on the sideline or we talked about that

in the meeting room. He's like, hey, I need you a little deeper on this one right here. Right, right. I need you,

you know, so forth and so on. We had a conversation because I know he didn't like me to show him up, but he knows that you, hey, all that yelling and cursing.

Who all about you talking to like that? Yeah, I know that. Well, you ain't talking to me like that, man, please. So we had a great relationship. We had a great understanding of the things that how we talk, how we communicated with each other to get each other's point across. The volume. The made for this mountain podcast exists to empower listeners to rise above their inner struggles and face the mountain in front of them. So during Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast, focus on your emotional well-being, and then climb that mountain.

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