Nightcap - BEST OF Part 1: Unc & Ocho WILDEST NFL TAKES! Browns DISS Shedeur, Tomlin LOVES Rodgers | Nightcap

Episode Date: August 2, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the wildest NFL headlines of the week! The duo dives into the Cleveland Browns owner admitting Shedeur Sanders wasn’t his draft pick, Mike Tomlin’s growing “bromance” with Aaron Rodgers, and Christian Wilkins kissing in Las Vegas. HUH? Unc and Ocho break down the drama, front office tension, and what these stories mean for the upcoming NFL season.   0:00 - Rookies making mistakes7:49 - Browns Owners says Shedeur Sanders wasn’t his pick25:58 - Mike Tomlin, Aaron Rodgers Bromance?37:59 - Christian Wilkins playful kiss?!?!   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you. So please subscribe or you're gonna make Ocho cry. Big rookie Luther Burton III was kicked off the field and chewed out by Ben Johnson after issue that the line of scrimmage during team drills. Burton missed several weeks of practice with a hamstring injury and Johnson said it is it hindered his progress learning the system. It shows up already.

I mean, we were in walkthrough yesterday afternoon, then misalignment. We have to re halignment. We have to Rehuddle we have to start it all over again. He's a little bit behind right now Burton the third responded very well to the accountability that Johnson gave him early in your career Did you ever have to accept accountability coming up short and practice or in the game? Yeah Yeah But you don't move me I'm a wide receiver, Ocho. They'll move me to tight end. They tell me to play, Ocho.

I go in motion. I stop. Man, what's the play again? What I got? I ain't, I ain't, y'all laughing. I ain't, I'm damn serious. Ask, I ain't, I be going, hey, I go in motion. Go to the tackle, turn around and come back. Man, what I got? I forgot, what I got?

Bad day, God dang it, Shannon. I don't know what you want me to tell you, dad. I forgot to play. I remember them days, man. They sent me in the game, I forgot to play, coming into the game. Hey, cause we used to run play, like every play we bring somebody to the game.

And they had a hand on my shoulder. Give me the play. I go in there. How are you already? I'm in the game on choke. Yeah. John John look at me. T look at me like T what's the play?

I forgot. It'll happen quick too. Oh, hey, it happened quick too. It happened quick. Oh, boogie it. Joe, I'm boogieing the game too. I'm like, man, I'm in the game. Ooh, wee. How many we game, please? Dee, Dee, what's the play?

Oh, I forgot. Hey, hey, hey, hold on. In basketball, Argan Ocho, and doing like a timeout, they might, coach might draw up three plays. Okay, we're gonna run this play, then come back down next trip, we're gonna run this play, then next trip down court, we're gonna, so he got three plays in and drawn up.

You may go out there on defense and you mess around and, you know, get a couple trips to where y'all may got steals or things like that. Man, you forget everything. That man done drew up over there. That's how it go. You be so locked in.

You go to the second play? You go to ask your teammate, they don't even know. That's how we do no huddle, Ocho. We call it two plays in the huddle. First one on one, second one on one. What we got? Man, I never forget that. I was so embarrassed. Man, I didn't even look at the sideline.

Because I know man, Coach Dree, Coach Dree, Coach Dree, Coach would turn red and he had this big old, big old vein. I mean, it'd be bulging out of his neck. Cause back then coaches wore suits on the sideline, don't you? Coach Reeves wore a suit. You know, Coach, you go back and look at Coach Dicker, he have on sweater, vest and things like that. So Coach Reeves was dressed to the line. Man, Coach Reeves was so bad over there. Hey, you put it, getting that toe with that play.

And I got down and ran in there and forgot all about that play. That's the worst feeling, bro. Oh, Joe. Hey. You talking, everybody looking at me like, damn, how you forget to play, how you forget to play from the sideline to the huddle?

I guess you're you draw my memory. That's like forgetting to play and probably being late to practice. That's like the worst feeling, man. Late to practice, late to meetings and having to walk through the door. And they already in there going through the meeting. You gotta walk.

Oh man, that's the worst. Oh, that's the worst. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and they already in there going through the meeting you got a Man out a I'm late for the meeting I play the game then a officer play of the game. She had a sharp And you late for the meeting? I said, man, why ain't somebody, hey, on behalf of Mr. Sharp, I'd like to accept this award on his behalf, like they do at the Oscars, like they do at the Grammys or something, man, accept the award. Man, hey, we got a storm. We had played Carolina that Sunday. We beat the Breaks of Carolina. And I cooked them, Ocho, cooked them.

Sell them for a buck 74. Cooked them. Man, that's no, we just, none of them would not cooperate. Yeah. It couldn't get to practice, huh? No, it was team meeting. Cause we give out the offense, defense, pressure team player of the game that Wednesday in the

meeting, uh, Mike's morning meeting. Right. So defensive player of the game, this many tackles a pig, uh, you know, sack, blah, blah, blah, you know, office, a player of the game, you know, we John will be TD. Most of the time it was TD. Be quiet on it. Uh, but yeah, man, that man, that's a bad feeling.

Cause they, as a matter of fact, I walk in and they get ready to break the team meeting. That's the worst feeling, bro. That is the worst feeling ever. Cause here's the thing, it's one thing to be late, it's something entirely different. The miss it, miss it, huh? You was that late?

Yeah, man, man. That meeting don't take that long because it's a great game, you know, blah, blah, blah. You know, congratulations. That's the way, you know, play start to finish. Play fast. I love everybody with is engaged. Offensive player to get a defensive player to game.

Special teams player to game. So the meeting ain't gonna go for like six or seven minutes. Right. Right. Being late is one thing. Missing the meeting is something intelligent. Missing the meeting might cost, you know, $500. I mean, late for the meeting might cost 500.

You know, missing the meeting gonna cost 2000. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah. I understand. And it's, like I said, I need to be there. See, it's hard to like pick up stuff with like you injured and they going over to play those. So I need to walk through.

I need to be I need to be there. Right. And you know, you you hurt you on the sideline. It ain't the same. It ain't the same. And a and in this situation, they are installing new every day. So if you got, if you not up to date on this today,

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All right, guys. Brown's owner, Jimmy Haslam, felt the need to unprompt it to tell the media yesterday that Shadour Sanders was not his pick. Let's take a listen to what the owner had to say about selecting Shadour. Good process, OK? And if you'd have told me, see, we picked him on Saturday,

Friday night driving home, we all were gonna pick Shadoor, I would say that's not happening. But we had a conversation earlier that morning, we had a conversation later that day, I'm hearing the right people involved in the conversation. At the end of the day, that's Andrew Berry's call, Andrew made the call to pick Shadoor. Just like who's gonna start or what play we're gonna call is Kevin's call. But that's Andrew's call, he made the call to pick Shadour. Just like who's gonna start or what play we're gonna call is Kevin's call, but that's Andrew's call,

you made the call. Yeah. Who asked him that? Why did he feel the need to share that information, Ocho? Nobody, that's what unprompted. So you dry snitching. Ain't nobody asked you what round did you think you were gonna take Shadour in? Why did you take it? Nobody asked you that.

Yeah. And so he felt the need. And I get it. Yes, he's the owner. But it's like, I'm like, bro, if y'all felt, if you feel this way about Shadour, why y'all still got the man? Cause it seems like every time I turn around, O Joe, somebody trying to take a dig at it. Yeah. Well, I got, I got a question. I have a question for the chat and uncle Joe, I'm not sure if y'all know how long and Jimmy has been with the Cleveland Browns.

A long ass time. A long time. So since 2000, the Cleveland Browns has had 35 different starting quarterbacks since 2000, 35 different starting quarterbacks. But now you're going to take it upon yourself to say that Jadura Sanders won your pick. And that's probably why it's going to work.

Because you had no dealings and him being drafted. Watch how God work. Watch how God work. I'm sorry. What about all the mother picks you had? Who picked with they? His, but he, hey listen, he never, he never came out before and said, I'm talking about- What about all the mother pics you had? Who pic with they? His. But he, hey listen, he never came out before and said, this before by anybody else.

Never. Never did this before. Hey, hey, when I look at it, when I look at it Uncle Hocho, I just like how the young man going about himself, man. Shadour. You know what I mean? Like, there's no better way to go about this

than keep your head down and keep working, bro. I think he's been doing a phenomenal job at that. Obviously, I think everybody's been keeping up with what's been going on in Cleveland. I know I have. And he looks comfortable at that, first and foremost. And he looks like he's still enjoying the game, man. And I think this is just more, you know, fuel to the fire as opposed to.

It's going to help him out throughout the regular season or throughout his season or throughout his, uh, NFL career in general. So I understand what, what, what the owner said, but, uh, I think she do it doing an awesome job with all this that's going around. And you can see he's in the community. Not only is he in the community, but he looked like he's playing his butt off. Now I don't know how much, I don't know how much in it his way with, you know,

what he's been doing in, you know, in OTAs and off season and camp and all that. But I mean, man, the ITs don't lie, bro. I know we, you know, they ain't out there hitting or nothing like that, but he looks comfortable out there. Well, it's really hard for me to say because from everything that I read, he gets one or two reps with the first team,

or one or two reps, period, and that's it. It's reported that his dad wanted to come to camp, just like he went to Tampa. He said, nah, dad, he said, I might get three or four reps. He says, I'm not where I wanna be. But if being reported is true, but once I get to where I wanna be, come on up there. But I don't get this.

That was an Andrew Barrett's pick. And just like the guys that play, that's such and such. So all these quarterbacks that y'all had, and I mean, you had Baker, so who's picked with Baker? And Baker, look, Baker had a decent and he got injured, and for whatever reason, you know, Baker's telling the story, they wanted him to, you know, tone it down a little bit and wouldn't let him be himself.

And you see Baker is like himself in Tampa, and he's thriving now. Yeah. Does he have a better collection of wide receivers around him in Tampa than he had in Cleveland? Yes, he does. He does. Ain't no sense in us trying to fool him,

saying he has the same level of skill position players around him because he doesn't. He just doesn't. But I don't get why Jimmy Haslam felt the need to take this shot at Shadour. Oh, you'd have told me we was gonna take him. I was like, that's not gonna happen. Whatever he said.

Why? I mean, why does he need to say that, Ocho? Listen, you know what they trying to do? You know what they trying to do? Trying to break his company? They trying to break him. They use the draft. Okay, we trying to break him. We gonna the draft. Okay, we trying to break him.

We gonna make him wait. Okay, now he's here. He's doing everything he's supposed to do. Doing everything he's supposed to do plus the extra. Then, okay, how can we break him now? He's out here playing very well. I told you, I told you. I ain't wanted.

Hey, listen, my ears over there, man. My ears and ass is over there. I don't need to be there to see him here. Stay with me, man. So what do we do now? He's playing well. He's got the offense down. He's not making too many mistakes.

He's throwing touchdowns where he's running with the one, the two, three, or the fours. So what do we do now? The owner has to come out and try to break him again. Break his spirit a little bit. Oh, I ain't wanted. I just want y'all to know, I ain't wanted. That's an answer.

But hey, hey. But listen, but why though? Is it because of what they may seem to be as flamboyant in college? Cause he wore the jewelry, he wore the ice. Yeah, it's just part of who he is, man. It's just part of his swag. That's how he grew up.

Well, hey, really Joe, honestly, that's all the collegiate athletes coming out of college this year. Everybody got money. They got money, yeah, now they. Change the college. Yeah, they got college this year. Everybody got money. They got money. Yeah, now they. They got a little bread. All of them.

They got a little bread. And so it seemed like to me a weak attempt. The guys already, look, I know with people you say, hey, you maintain confidence, but when you're not getting any run and you're used to like, I'm a prime example of that. I used to call my brother, I said, man, I ain't get no run today.

All he say is just be ready. He said, John Elway gonna call your number, but make sure when he call your number, I like, man, you keep saying that, you said that yesterday. He didn't call my number. He said, I said, you keep, I'm saying to myself, you keep saying that, but it ain't happening.

And sure enough, but I was like, I ain't got no but time. The way I look at it, Joe and Ocho, is that as long as I'm here, I still got a chance. It's like when I'm no longer there, I don't have a chance to make the team. So as long as I can stay, the longer I stay, cause guess what?

I'm gonna do something. Y'all gonna put me somewhere and I'm gonna flash something. Yeah. Oh yeah. I'm gonna make a catch. I'm gonna make a block. You gonna put me on special teams. I'm gonna do something that you say, you know what? That kid from Savannah State,

he too big, too strong, too fast. Not for us to find a place. Hey, create a job for me. We ain't high. The funny thing about it is all the turmoil, all the negativity, whether it's coming from the Cleveland media, whether it's coming from the owner Jim Hazlitt and saying he wasn't my pick, when that preseason starts and he gets his opportunity, the cream is going to rise to the top no matter what, because you're good at doing

one thing. He's good at playing football. Yes. He's good at playing football. He's been a winner from Jackson State, the goddamn Colorado. And now you're in a different environment and that journey starts all over again, even with the enemy that's right in your backyard against you. Sometimes that's really hard to overcome Ocho

when it seems like the people rooting against you that's right there. I mean, I thought we was all in this thing together. It don't seem like it. I'll tell you who on the side though. I'll tell you who on the side though. I tell you who on the side. When that goddamn stadium start rooting, start screaming for Shadour,

when that goddamn dog pound start going crazy and them champs start shouting for Shadour when things ain't going right with the Browns. All right. I guarantee you. Now watch how it play out. I just hope he's around long enough for those same things to happen.

Yeah. Because think about it, Ocho, you signed Joe Flacco, 18 years, well you know he's not, he's a year 18. He's not your answer long term. You re-signed Kenny Pickett, hoping that he got a little hamstring tweak. So now basically it's Dylan Gabriel and Shadour, but it seems like Flacco and Gabriel and Flacco getting all the reps.

That's what it appears to me from what I read. Now I'm not following it that close because at the end, you know, put all that time in there and guys that you're watching, they're not going to be there. So as they get to the preseason old show, we get the game or two. And so we'll get a better understanding, a better feel like, okay, this kid, you know, get an opportunity to see them guys play. Like, okay, he can play.

Cause I want to see guys play against somebody playing somebody else that's trying to make a team also. You don't know yet. Y'all don't walk off the field talking, Hey man, hey, you know, what you gonna do tonight or what you, you know, such and such. Hey, I want to see you go against another guy in another color uniform

that's in the same situation that you are. He's trying to live out his fantasy. He's trying to live out his dream. He's trying to make sure his mom and his grandma, and if he has a kid or a girlfriend or significant other, he's trying to make sure they're taken care of just like you. But this, I'm shocked by what Jimmy Haslam had to say because nobody asked him.

Nope, this was something that you probably should have asked Ocho after the draft. You asked this, okay, so what was your thought process taking Shadour in the fifth round? Oh, you know, they said the grade they had on him, the grade they had is the grade they had. So that's when you're like, well, hey, we felt that, you know, we had this grade now,

round between rounds four and five. If he's there, we're gonna grab him. Okay, but that's a day after the drive, that's two days at work, at best, worst case but that's a day after the draft. That's two days at work at best. Worst case, that's a week after the draft. Oh, Joe, the drive was in April. Makes no sense. The drive was in April.

And here we are. That's May, June, July. That's three. That's three months. Yeah. And we're talking about that's an Andrew Berry pick. Yeah. And listen, I could understand if understand if your decision making in the past, as if you the goddamn quarterback whisperer, I hear you coming out and saying something like that and being confident about it, like you just been golden when it came to picking quarterbacks.

Your last 35 were your picks, and none of them worked. So probably this one that you had nothing to do with, that might be the answer. If you Green Bay, y'all got Brett Farr, and then you get Aaron Rodgers, and now you got Jordan Love, I would say, well, you know what? Hey, Ocho, Joe, he might be on to something now.

Right, right, right. They about to have 50 years of prosperity at the quarterback position, but when you've had 35 years of turmoil and chaos at the quarterback position, with the exception of maybe a year or two here or there, you got one year Derek Anderson, you got a couple of years with Baker.

But other than that, let's be realistic now. Come on, Browns. Really? Yeah, hey, hey. And should do it strikes me as a guy, when them lights come on, Uncle Ocho, I feel like he gonna perform at the highest level. You know what I mean?

Like he gonna put on, you know what I mean? That's the type of guy he strikes me as. So, man, I'm gonna be paying attention to them Browns, see what's gonna happen now. They got four quarterbacks over there, right? What they gonna do, Uncle Ocho? I don't see a team keeping four quarterbacks. And I, you know, a part of me,

a part of me hope a part of me, hope they like try to put them on the practice squad and somebody come sign him. So they, so you can care, you know, they'll carry three quarterbacks. That's too many positions because the quarterbacks don't play special teams. So you got to, those, because there's only,

there's only 46 guys, those spots are valuable. Normally you're carrying a guy, a wide receiver, that could, you know, he can play multiple positions. He can play the X, he can play the Z, he can play the slot, and he plays special team. Same thing with a linebacker. Same thing with a swing offensive lineman. He can play guard, he can play tackle.

Okay. So that's what you're looking at. I'm looking at guys that can play multiple positions, because if I get somebody to go down, what can a quarterback do? It's not quarterback. Right. Right.

Right. Right. Maybe, you hope, maybe, maybe in high school, Ocho, he punted or kicked or something. But for the most part, you keep, if you're gonna keep somebody extra, it's gonna be a wide receiver, a DB, somebody that can play special teams.

That's why they say, hey, special teams is the quickest way to earn a place on the roster. Unless you want to be top, now you top dog, I mean, we get that. You Joe Burrow or Chase or somebody like that, Lamards, we get that. But guys that are not, that are not actually starter, that when, hey when a was up,

he runs on the field. And when it's four down, he comes off the field and he ain't got to stay out there for points. Special team, the more you can do, the longer you can play. The more you can do, the longer you can play. And, but I didn't like this at all. Cause like I said, here we are, we three months in Ocho and this man talking about that's an Andrew Berry pick.

It's trying to break him up. It's all mind games. They are, they are, they are. All mind games. They did what they did. They were like, we gonna show you, we gonna show coach prime. You know, they talk about, you know, the Mannings

and everybody looked at the Mannings and Eli did what he did and you know, Arch and you know, so forth and so on. They're like, nah, you're not going to do that. We're going to show you do. We're going to start it right here. And then we're going to take a little further. We only gonna give you a handful of reps. And we will see how long.

Hey, if I'm trying to break it, they say to put you in solitary, solitary Ocho because they say, you know, we used to communicate it. And when there's no one to communicate to you, when all you can do is hear your heartbeat and all the only, the only communication is going on in your own head. Yeah. And you know what? That could be a good thing. Sometimes they put people in solitary confinement, right?

And it does it more, it does it more good than harm because it gives you too much time to think. Yeah, I want to be in solitary confinement away from you sorry, mofos. Yeah, I want to be in solitary confinement because I want to be away from you sorry, mofos. So y'all better rub off on me. Like that, hey look, I think he definitely locked in though.

You can see it, bro. Well, he really doesn't have a choice. I think Time has done a great job. Time dealing with what he's dealing with, because think about it now, that's still Time's son. But in the meantime, I've got to deal with what I've got to deal with. I've got something gravely going on with me.

And I got two sons that, because the only coach that Shadoor's ever had has been Tyron. He's the only one to play for his dad. Played for his dad at high school, and coming up he coached him at Pop Warner. Tyron used to take them kids all over the place. They played Snoop Dogg.

They played, ended up playing Snoop Dogg when, cause of time when I went to the hall together. They played all up in Texas. They coming, they coming. And they driving, playing other teams. I think they played while they was up there in Canton. So that's the only coach you've ever had. And now my dad, cause think about it, man.

My dad dealing with something, I don't know what's really going on. Cause Tom said, you know, I really didn't let the boys know what was really going on because they got to focus on that. The last thing is to let your mind wander, Ocho. You know, when you in camp, hey, I'm here.

That's what I tell, when you here, you gotta be here now. Now when you over there, deal with whatever you got to deal with over there and don't worry about here. That's what I tell when you hear you got to be here now. Now when you over there deal with whatever you got to deal with over there and don't worry about here. But when you hear you got to be here. And so I think time did a great job of shielding him, not telling them the extent of what's really going on with him so he can stay locked in. Especially, we know how hard the quarterback position is to play Ocho. The last thing you need is to be worried about man Pops. Man, Sam, Pops really messed up right now, man. I ain't getting no burn. Pops

messed up on a trip and saying all kinds of crazy stuff. Yeah, man, it's a lot. It's like I said, you don't know what a person's going through. You don't know. You know, you try not to you try to compartmentalize when I'm here, Joe Ocho, I'm here. Right. And like when I'm when I'm done, I'll deal with whatever I need to deal with off the field. I'll deal with that then. Man, I can just say, man, I can I can I can bring work home, but I can't take you to work. And that's how it is. You can't, cause they tell you, oh yeah, there's more important things than sports.

They lying. They say that for the public. Oh yeah. No, no, no, no, no. When you play a professional sport, Ocho, they're making it a buddy, LeClear. Oh yeah. The most important thing is that sport. So, Shadour, keep your head up, keep plugging away, boy, do your thing.

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about football, about life, about where he is in his career and what he was potentially looking for. Ocho, how long do you think the bromance lasts? Oh, listen. If the Steelers don't start, if they don't start winning. Listen, remember, remember, listen, winning wins or losses, depending, regards to how it goes.

Remember how Aaron Rodgers treated Robert Sala? Yeah. Remember the interaction on the sideline, the pushing and the shoving off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. On what type of reciprocate head coach. Now what won't happen, whether they're winning or losing, now Mike Tomlin ain't playing that.

Oh no. Oh, that ain't, that ain't finna happen. That's not finna happen. So whether they're winning or losing, I think the relationship between those two, because there's a certain amount of respect that he has for Mike Tomlin and what he's been able to accomplish in Pittsburgh,

I think everything would be just fine. Everything would be just fine. All he has to do is listen, if Russell Woods can do what he did last year, and Justin Fields can do what he did last year, and Justin Fields can do what he did last year, Aaron Rodgers being at the helm, should be able to do just that. Do what they ask of you,

don't turn the ball over, and let the defense win the game for you. It's simple. Plus he doesn't come in with what he went into the Jets with. They got on private jets, they court, hey, they're like, look, this is what we got. Take it or leave it. You know Mike Tomlin runs the show.

The moment you go get around the Cobb, the moment you go get Alan Lazard, you've ceded all control to Aaron Rodgers because now you've given up control. You like, okay, I want this, I want that, I want this, I want that. The moment a kid starts screaming and you give him what he wants, Ocho,

you've ceded control. Right, right. But with that control- That's not gonna happen in Pittsburgh. No, no, Ocho, you see the control. Right, right. But with that control- That's not gonna happen in Pittsburgh. No, no, absolutely, but you have to understand that Jets start with that control and we allowing you to take the keys to the team and put the pieces around you,

they felt that's what you needed to succeed. It just didn't happen the way that they saw. Well, you gotta, I think it would have had he bought all the way in. When Tampa turned it over to Tom, what did Tom do? He bought all the way in. When Denver turned it over to Peyton, he bought all the way in.

That's not what Aaron did. Was half way in? Half way in. He locked in, now though. Yeah. Y'all allow me to write to be wrong on this, but I think for the Jets, he had to be pretty spectacular for them to win, right?

I think with the Steelers, because their defense is pretty good, that I don't think it'd be a whole lot of pressure on him. Plus he got a lot of, he got some help offensively to where he'll be a lot better, I think, for the Steelers than he was for the Jets. I think the offensive line is better, but the problem that they ran in, and this is what I said,

and I remember having this conversation, I said, Ocho, you're saying he just needs to be Aaron Rodgers. I said, now what happens if that defense isn't what it was for those other quarterbacks? Right. Zach Wilson. So let's just say for the sake of argument, that defense slips a little bit.

Yeah. And you see, as guys start to get older, Joe, and I don't know how it is in basketball, you can speak to this. But as guys get older at the quarterback position, they need more help. Whereas guys, Aaron Rodgers five years ago, six years ago, no problem.

But you could have put a sister of North out there with him, he would have succeeded. He could do it. But as you get older, you need more help. A la Tom goes to Tampa, a la Peyton goes to Denver. Look at the receiving help that he had. Look at the running backs, look at the offensive line. All those things go into play.

I do believe he has a better offensive line than what he has, okay? He got DK, they lost Pickens. They got Calvin Austin III. So they got some players, so we'll see. We'll see Warren, the running back. We'll see how that turns out. But I don't think he needs to be 40 touchdown Aaron.

I don't. I don't think they have a 40 touchdown offense. Could be, you could be right. I see that. You could be right. You could be right. I say that respectfully. The Bengals have a 40 touchdown offense. For sure, absolutely. Yes, yes, yes. You know why?

Because their defense aren't very good. Cause they're gonna be playing, they're gonna be in some shootouts. It's just real talk. They're gonna be in the shootout. They don't talk. Come on, that's the shot of the team now. But they gonna be, oh y'all defense are not very good.

You see y'all lost games 41-38, y'all lost 38-35, y'all lost 34-31. Right, you right. Y'all gonna be in games like that. Listen, this is a new year though. This is a new year. This is, we don't, we don't know what's gonna happen. Matter of fact, we got football tomorrow too.

I forgot about that. Yeah. Oh, this is the last, this is the last weekend you won't have football until middle of February. February. So moving forward, you got preseason and then, you know, you got college and then you got NFL, college, NFL, college, NFL. And then when the college go and then you have bowl season, you have playoffs.

So yeah. Hey, he's here now. Yes. Here now. Devontae Adams cleared the air with Jimmy G during dark time as Raiders teammate. It's amazing. I love Jimmy. He said, it was never a personal thing.

I was hoping we didn't have to have these conversations, but I'm surprised This is the first time it's been brought up, but it's been amazing We got to catch up on to get on the right page obviously that was just a dark moment in all of our lives I think all of us were pretty miserable over there We kind of caught up and laughed about it, and we've been making plays since we got out here. It's so it's been fun and laugh about it and we've been making plays since we got out here. So it's been fun. Either one of you guys ever had an awkward fallout

with a former teammate and had to squash the beef once you guys became teammates again? Joe, you? Nah, I ain't never had no beef with none of my teammates or none of that, nah. You in there, Ocho? Nah, nah, nah. I was a fun guy, Joe.

I mean, the same way I am on the show, as I was in the locker room, same way I was on the field. Like, there was a, I was just fun, man. I was a fun dude, Joe. I ain't had no problem with nobody. I think I got in one scuffle one time, but with my safety at training camp, Madhu Williams. Yeah.

And that was it. Yeah, I didn't even. I mean, I left Denver, went to Baltimore, left Baltimore, went back to Denver now. I've never had an awkward fall out. We had to squash B. I mean. Well, well, Joe, I had that one fight, Joe.

Like when we played, we played the Ravens. I think I told you, Joe, I don't think I told you that story. We played the Ravens. We was at B&T, what's the name of the stadium? M&T. Yeah, I was at M&T. You know, towards the end of the game, you know, Joe, I went to catch a slant.

Carson threw me a slant, right? Yeah. It was a little high and I jumped for it anyway, right, Joe? Stay with me now. And so I seen Ray at the corner of my eye. I'm a peripheral vision. I'm like, I don't even count for to try to go get it anyway. And I was like, oh, the ball's whacked.

Mistake. I started to come down and Ray hit me on the side of my ear hole. And I'm like, well, wait a minute, that was Ray that just hit me. We just prayed before the game. So I know before, I know before they tell you to hit me like that. So Joe, I jumped up, right?

And I like went after him, I was finna square up with him, right? He finna get active with old Ray. Wait, hey, I was finna put these hands him. Right Joe? You finna get active with old Ray. Hey, hey, I was finna put these hands on you, right? But then boom, I think Ed Reed grabbed me. So when Ed grabbed me, I was like, nah, you gonna have to answer for that. That's what I said in my mind.

So after the game, right Joe? Yeah. I went to the Raven's locker room. I went looking for Ray. So I walked in the locker room and security like, hey. He ain't know where he was. Yeah, he can't, you can't be here. So I waited, they was, so I waited in the locker room and security like, hey. He ain't know where he was. Yeah, he can't, you can't be here. So I waited, they was, so I waited in the parking lot,

but then the teen bus hit the horn for me to go. And that kind of like saved me from walking Ray's ass. But you just wanted to, you just wanted to get something straight, you wasn't really gonna put no power on. Yeah, yeah, like Joe, before every game, I swore for God for a decade straight. Joe, for a decade straight, we didn't miss one game. Me and Ray, he gave me a scripture.

We sat on the phone. We read the scripture before we went to play the game. Whether we were playing each other or not, consistently for a decade straight. How the hell we just prayed before the game and you hit me like that? Yeah, he prayed you gonna knock your ass out. And Joe, I'll pay.

Well, Joe, listen, it would have took all 12 disciples to get me off of rape, boy, if I would have caught him after that game. I would have called him right there on the field. You should have called him right there on the field. No, cause I would have got fined. So I would, listen, you know how it go. When you're angry, you don't think logically. So if Ed Reed hadn't have held me, I would have turned you know, you know how it go when you're angry. You don't think logically

So if every had to help me I would have turned that 52 upside down that bitch with a red 25 Grab your helmet cuz he knocked your helmet smooth off. You thought your head was in it You went and pick your hair with up like damn Hey, hey, hey here Florida boy, too, huh? Yeah. Yeah boy right from Lakeland right up the street now, right? He's right right up the street. Yeah, y'all know No, but that, you know better. He caught me, he caught me the same way. He caught me under my chin on the deep end, cause yeah. He got you too?

Got me too. I caught it, I was trying to break it in, hit me right up under my chin. I say, boop, take it. Ain't great touching anything compares him. Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Hey, that boy wasn't rate touching anything compared to him. He's a player. Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Hey, that boy wasn't that nice right there, boy.

Ocho, look at this, Ocho, look what I got. Oh. That's Pickens? That's Lil' Pickens, yeah. No pick, man. I knew it was Pick soon as I saw that damn face mask. I said, they got to be Pick helmet. Carl, but nice, boy.

Hey, man, hey, Pick like, hey, nobody want no bingles helmet back in the day, Ocho. Man, Pick just said, here man, take this. I don't want to take it back home. Hey, I thought the bingles used to have some decent helmets, huh? Man, ain't nobody want, the bingles were terrible. Yeah.

Now, him and Jeff Blake, ain't nobody throw a deep ball like Jeff Blake, Ain't nobody thought he ball that Jeff Blake oh, yeah. He had a pretty ball way Just like Aaron Rodgers throw the hell Mary that's like a Jeff would throw that throw the deep ball That they just like it just come down and pick pick just run right up on it. Hey him and him and Darnay, buddy Yeah, it was nice, but Hey him and him and Darnay boy they used to be. Yeah. They were nice boy. Yeah Ocho I got me on me. Do y'all still got the helpers like this Ocho?

They still like this right? It's still the same. It's still the same. Well you know we got the white ones now. You know they got the white ones. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. That's y'all color rush though right? Yeah that's the color rush there.

Okay. Ocho we have more info coming out on Christian Wilkins Adam Shepter shares was an awkward kiss Incident between Kristen Wilkins and a Raiders teammate Wilkins kissed a fellow player on the head and the teammate took offense to it The incident happened inside the team meeting room report says the interaction was playful But the teammate didn't see it that way Shepafter adds, the incident was not the sole reason Wilkins was cut. Is the real...

Ocho, wait, hold on. This is Schafter talking. Allegedly, this was an incident that took place. Right. When did men start playing like this, Ocho? Forget, I understand it's 2025, it's a different time. And I don't care what your letter is in the alphabet. Be you.

I'm cool with it. You be the L, you be the B, you be the T, you be the Q, plural, whatever the case may be. Have at it. When did men in a football, in a setting like this, when did they start playing like this, Ocho? Was it after I left the game? Was it like last week, a couple of weeks ago?

You stayed a little bit, I retired in 04. You retired in 2012 from the NFL. So you stayed a little longer than I did. So when did this start happening, Ocho? Oh, I don't know, I don't know. I think that's- Who plays like happening, Ocho? Hey, I don't know. I don't know. I think that's our- Who plays like that, Ocho? The people I hang around based on where I'm from, I don't see that type of activity.

I don't see that type of- Listen, we have- Excuse me. We have playful banter, but the playful banter- Yeah! And we conduct it. It ain't like that. It ain't in that manner. So it's news to me. It ain't like that. It ain't in that manner. So I, I, it is news to me is new to me. Um, I don't know Christian Wilkinson, you know, person Wilkins. I don't know him personally. You know, I, I, I know of him, you know, as, as a, as a fun,

energetic, uh, type of player, he's done some funny things, you know? Um, yeah, they got that picture when they, I think there was a national championship game or one game and the guys on the ground Yeah, yeah, I'm like bro guys don't play look maybe maybe they do not I shouldn't say I'm just from an era. Right guys didn't play like that and Yeah, look. Yeah, we horseplay. We might nail somebody locker short, shut. We might put powder or water in your shoulder pads.

And when you grab them, it come down on top of you. Do guys horseplay around like that? Yes. Do we soak the rookies clothes, put them in the cold tub and then put them in the freezer? Yes. We've seen guys, you know, basketball players put popcorn in the guy's car. We've seen guys, you know, basketball players put popcorn in the guy's car.

We've seen stuff like that. Ocho, not like, and I've seen some stuff in the locker room. Now I've seen some guys play that even I was like, y'all nasty, that girl, hey. But. Not to that magnitude, though. Not no kissing on, not even kissing on the forehead, not even no joking manner.

Yeah, I don't know. It's hard to say I'm not in the locker room. I wasn't actually there. And obviously Shepard did his best job in describing what happened. And obviously knowing- Think about it, Ocho. Ocho, remember we talked about it.

Of all the things they could have said, why did they say this? Now they could have said anything. He they say this? Now they could have said anything. He stole somebody's car. He stole $1,500 from somebody. He forged a check. Of all the things they could have tagged the young man with, allegedly, they put this? Yeah. I mean, listen, it's alleged that's actually what happened. You know, it had to come from somewhere. So that means that's exactly what happened. Would they have it had to come from somewhere. So that means that's exactly what happened. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Right. Where there's smoke, there's fire. So it is what it is, whoever the player was, they took a fence to it. Maybe they got in a little scuffle. Maybe it caused an issue. And maybe that was just the icing on the cake for them to release him based on the other issues

and other incidents about him missing games last year and then not doing what's required to make sure he gets on the field in the time demanded this year. Maybe they would have been fed up. If I'm not mistaken, Ocho, they said this incident happened earlier. So I don't know if it happened, say in the off season, it happened at some point in time during the season. Um, obviously there was, there was a diff, a, a, a fracturing, a fracturing where a fracturing,

where they like, bro, you need the surgery. He says no, it seems like he said no. Maybe they wanted a second opinion. He didn't want to get a second opinion because here's the thing. You could, you could like, okay, you got a torn ACL and the doctor said, well, you need to get this. So you're like, no, I'm gonna let it heal on its own. You can like, okay, you got a torn ACL and not to say, well, you need to get this. So you're like, no, I'm gonna let it heal on its own.

You can do that. I wouldn't advise it, but you can do it. They tell you to go get a second opinion, Ocho. You can do that. And both doctors say the same thing. You say, no, I'm good. I wouldn't advise it, but you can do that. I don't get why he wouldn't considering

he had guaranteed money. He had $35 million coming to him that was guaranteed. So he was at, I could see Ocho, if I didn't have guaranteed money coming in, if there was a situation like nah bro, I need to get on the field, but he got guaranteed money. And so they say, nah, it's not healing like it's supposed to. You need to have another surgery. Right. I just don't, I don't get that. That's what's being reported.

Now we don't know what's true or not, but look, the truth is somewhere in between this box. Yeah. Between the kiss on the forehead, the second opinion, they wanted to have surgery again, something. The truth is somewhere in here, Ocho. We just don't know where it's at, but we think the truth is somewhere in this box.

Well, listen, what you can do is you can hear the situations, right? And it's like having a puzzle piece. All right, we got good pieces to the puzzle, and you can just fill out the rest of the puzzle based on the actions that have happened and what you're hearing. So obviously, you missed games last year.

Okay. Well, I think you only played five games, Ocho. I think you got hurt after the fifth game. Okay. Listen, all right. We're going into a new season. You still not healthy. Right. You might've only got a second opinion.

Maybe your second opinion said, you know what? You need to just relax and let it heal on its own. Maybe the team said, well, you need to get surgery. So again, now we're going to another season. You missed so many games last year. Now the season rolling around again, you're still not healthy. You're not on the field. They see you on camera dancing around, you know, having fun and doing stuff that's not for one, helping the team, two, that's not helping yourself. And three, what we're paying you millions of dollars to do, you're not earning that. You're not earning that.

You're not gonna do that on our time or our clock. Right. And so they made a business decision. Yes. I agree. I'm looking at it like I said, if he's in the last year of his contract, he doesn't have this guaranteed money,

and he thinks like, hey, I get it. I totally get it. But he got, he got, he got what he had already got like 49 million. He got another seven coming this year. And then guess what, Ocho? He got another 25 coming, another 25, 27 coming the following year. So he's protected. That's why, that's why guys want these guaranteed contracts, Ocho, so I can be protected, not just for one year, but for multiple years. So I get it. But if the report is what Chef is saying is true, I just don't know when this started taking place,

guys. Like I said, Ocho, we ain't look, I done put more, I done gone through so many tubes of toothpaste, putting toothpaste on a guy's door in training camp, cause I know all he gonna do is just walk out the door and pull it shut. He ain't gonna look back at it, he just gonna grab it and got him. I done poured so much alcohol and lit it on fire and up under the door.

Yeah, we play pranks like that. But we know, look, you ain't, don't touch a man's, you know. Boy, I saw somebody almost got the Brakes beat off him. He took his hair, he took his brush, took the dude's brush and combed his pubic, brushed his pubic hair with it. With his brush? And put it back. Hey, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,

Okay, so you see, people don't play, now. Yeah. It ain't nothing, it ain't nothing but a brush. It ain't nothing, hey, it ain't that serious. Yeah. People don't play now. It ain't nothing but a brush. It ain't that serious. People don't play. The way you play, everybody don't play like that. And you need to understand that. Because you're dealing with, like I said, I don't get it. I just, like I said, I grew up at a time where men didn't play, men rarely, didn't play at all. I remember my grandfather them telling those jokes. I like I said, and we told a story about brother.

I just sat down with him about somebody made a joke about my grandfather's teeth. As my grandfather was driving off, he had his teeth. He had his false teeth. They were sitting on the dash and got a, Mr. Barney, don't let your teeth run away. My grandfather put that car in reverse, stopped that car and got out.

So don't play. I'm old enough to be your dad. They don't play with me. He said, I'm a grown ass man. He say, find somebody to play with. And I'm not him. He say find somebody to play with and I'm not him. Man, probably about five to a year before he's bought my grab. Cause you know, back, all people should go get the,

the gas station, get that full service, Ocho. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? They ain't get a pump, they all get, then hey, cause you did the windows. And you know what I'm saying, Ocho, you did the window, got the windows all night. And you know,

They still do that, they still do that in Jersey, huh? Oh, they do that? Yeah, still do that in Jersey. Huh? Oh, they do that Yeah, they do that in Jersey. Okay man, and so I'm I'm surprised I'm really surprised that uh in a today's society that Allegedly what Kristen Wilkins did I mean cuz he's like I said There are some things that like in in in that surface, and I don't know, it might be AI, it's hard to say, hell,

I don't got the way, I don't really believe nothing on the internet anymore, because I don't even know if it's real Ocho, if it's AI. Because AI have, you know, got an alligator riding a horse. So Ocho, I don't even know what to believe anymore, Ocho. But I'm just saying, guys, stop playing so much. All these people in pranks and all this stuff, and you see people walking up

and they trying to prank somebody and they doing all this stuff. Y'all stop that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, come on now. You gonna get yourself hurt. And the first thing somebody's family gonna say, they didn't have to do him like that,

or they didn't have to do her like that. No, you didn't have to play like that. People, everybody don't play the same. Somebody gonna let y'all have it. So just stop, just stop. Like you said, Ocho, that's a total stranger. You don't know them from Adam. And I know some, I know I got great friends,

but we know how to play and we know what to say when we play certain things. There's certain things that's off limits and you understand that. That's a total stranger you did it with. Go ahead, Ocho. You always know what line not to cross. You know your friends. You always know what line not to cross you know your friends You always know what what what can get that what buttons to push you know a button's not to push

You know what line not to cross And there's there's great understanding with that when it's someone that you've been friends with for a very long time now When somebody knew like you're on a new team a teammate that you don't know that well outside of that building, there are certain things you can't do. You can't conduct yourself, you know, the way you conduct yourself with somebody you know in 20, 25 years. That's why you go in a new environment.

You sit back and you observe. Yeah. Okay, I can joke with him. Can't joke with him. Or I can say something like this to him. Yeah. can't say that to him. You gotta read the room That's why you observe give yourself a month or two three months Excuse me to observe and see who you can and can't play with Yeah, who you could talk to who you can make joke with who you could do certain things to you just need to, who you can make jokes with, who you can do certain things to. You just need to be observant. Because being in a locker room,

because you got a lot of different backgrounds on show, people come from a lot of different areas. I mean, the social economic background, the different religions, the different ideology, how somebody was raised. And you don't know what the trigger is. You just don't want to be the one to pull it. Right.

So, I'm sorry, the young man, but hopefully they get this resolved because he's extremely talented. He can play. Oh yeah. He's gone to the pro bowl. He can play. Yeah, he can rush the pass.

He's tremendous against the run. It seems to me that he really enjoys the game. Sometimes I think he enjoys it too much, but this, I just, like I said, we don't know. Shepter's reporting that this incident did happen, but he said that's not the, that's not the sole reason of why they chose to go in this direction. We don't know. Like I said, that's what Shepter's being reported. We're reporting basically, we're commenting on what Shepter's reporting. What we do know is that he's been released and they're basically saying we ain't paying you. He filed agreements with the

NFLPA trying to get the guaranteed money that he believes he's owed. We'll see. Hey everyone, it's Jay Shetty and on today's episode of On Purpose, I'm joined by four time Grand Slam champion Naomi Osaka. What I was dealing with at the time, feeling ashamed, going against everything an athlete stood for. Ranked as number one in the world in women's singles. A four time Grand Slam tennis champion, Naomi Osaka. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Get fired up y'all. Season two of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite people and incomparable soccer icon, Megan Rapinoe to the show and we had a blast. Take a listen. Sue and I were like riding the Lime bikes the other day and we're like, weeee! People ride bikes because it's fun! We got more incredible guests like Megan in store, plus news of the day and more. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.