Nightcap - Best of Unc getting Mad Part 1: Technical DIFFICULTIES, Ocho NOT picking sides, Micah Parsons CALLS OUT UNC

Episode Date: July 28, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Joe "King Iso" Johnson bring you the Best of Unc Stories on Nightcap! Relive some of Shannon Sharpe's funnies personal stories, including reminiscing about the legendary rookie pranks from his Denver Broncos days. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI...0:00 - Viral IG mishap 0:00 - Technical Difficulties  3:28 - Ocho’s Top 5 Boxers 13:09 - Watching Film vs Not Watching Film 31:27 - Individual Stats vs Winning Games 49:26 - Unc Warns Micah Parsons (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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you can order it, and it comes... Guys, damn it! Two hours later. All right, Mike Mac said, whoever gets fired, I'm ready to replace them. Guys, no one got fire tonight. I like to watch the chat, Ocho, but for whatever reason, the live video,

it was playing back through my computer, and I can hear it in my ear. So what we call reverberating in the business. And imagine you talking, and I'm talking in your ear. Now, sometimes, you know, you, you know, we be in a segment, and the producer might say,

well, you know, don't forget this point of blah, blah, blah. Shana, you're up next and so forth and so on. Stephen A, but throw to Stephen A, Stephen A, want to come back at you or something. But to continuously hear it for an extended period of time, it gets to be annoying. And so that's why I grew up.

You were hot, though. You were hot, I'm like, well, come on, man. You was probably, you was mad. I was a little late. And then you got the reverberating in your ear. So that just, that just, you know, that's. Yeah, I was, I was as they say, I was agitated. slightly.

Hey, they got, I don't know if they were recording at that time, but they got, somebody got to record that and posted when you got hot. God damn it. Uh-huh. Hey, is that sorry? Hey, y'all better put no meme up there.

You know, funny. Y'all always do it. Y'all messy. I think you might not have been on camera, though. It was. Hey, that was on camera. That was funny now. Hey, you know what, Ocho?

Now that you, they say that and I think about it, I pull a Bill O'Reilly inside edition. You remember Bill O'Reilly? I thought Bill O'Reilly. But you all remember, Bill O'Reilly did the same thing. I'll do it myself. Yeah, yeah, I, oh, Joe, I was, because I'm like, hold on, wait a minute.

And so I'm looking at Jordan, Jordan looking at being like boss out. I'm looking at Ash, and Ash is on the phone. She tried to get it worked. out, but bad, yeah. Look, and I, my sister tells me this all the time. She's like, Shannon, they can go perfect all the time. She says, Shannon, you want to be able to be patient.

All the time. And that's impossible. You need patience. You need patience. Yeah, I got patience sometime when you don't have patience. Hold up. They already made a mean. They better, man, I better not be trending.

I bet I better not be trending, y'all. Y'all are some suckers. Wait, they got- Y'all some suckers. You all that better have me trained yet. Hold on. I got to see it. I got to see.

Let me go to Twitter real quick because that, hey, wait. Man, y'all be on some cool-jide Twitter. That was funny. Devin Bell asked Ocho, who are your top five boxers today? Keep doing your thing. Ooh, that's a good question. Listen, again, for me, preference.

But. Got to be out. Bud, number one pound for my, Bud. Geron Innes. I don't know if you, I don't know if you watch boots.

Yeah, man, listen. That's my dog. Boots. Um, I'm not thinking about, I'm not thinking about belts and all that stuff. I'm, I think about all that,

man, I'm talking about, that I like styles for me. I'm flashy. So I, I like those type of fighters. Shakur, Devin Haney,

uh, Tank. Caleb Plant. You look at the style of the fighters I'm naming. I'm not, again, people in the chat that also watch boxing. I'm not talking about belts and accolades and all that. I'm talking about the types of fighters I like. Canelo?

Canelo's cool, but he's not, he's technically sound, ring IQ. He's really good defensively, but it's not, it's not, I need a little bit more flash to it. You know, no disrespect to him and what he's been able to accomplish. Those I name that them is like, oh, that, and you know what else I learned about boxing too? You see how I love everybody when it comes to football? You see how I never talk about anybody. For some reason, I have a feeling if you have a fighter that you like, you have to only like that fighter and you really can't like the rest of them. Like you have to feel exactly the way that fighter feels about every other boxer.

And that just don't work with me. I love all them motherfuckers, and I have an appreciation for the sweet science and what they do in the ring. And for some reason, I think I'm not supposed to feel like that, which is really weird because I think in the boxing world, it's a little different. You have to be a fan of this fighter. And if you like them, you can't like nobody else. I get that, like this weird feeling a little bit. And I don't, I don't like that. Like, I like, I like boots.

I like Bud. I like Tank. I like Shakur. I like Caleb Plan. I like the flashy flambore. type fighters, you know, that get in and get out. Devin Haney, I like that. And you don't want to know, you know what else about all those people I just name?

I'd be theirs. I think the thing is Ocho is that because you named so many fighters in the same way, Claire, like if you said, okay, I like this heavyweight fighter, I like him at the heavyweight, I like him at the super middle weight, I like him at the light heavy, I like him at the Welter, I like him in the junior, you know, it's kind of like in the 80s. I mean, when the four horsemen, when you had sugar, Duran, Hagler, and Hearns. Okay, if you like Hagler,

Hargler was your guy. If you like Hurd, herds, herds where you got. If you like Duran. That's not, that's not, that's not fair, man. And then you had the fifth guy kind of on the outside with Iran Barclay. That's Sequin's uncle. So you understand, you understand that

I think it's somewhat almost somewhat like an unwritten rule. Like if you, if that's your guy, you stick to that guy and you can't switch sides. Like, I don't like that. Like I hope The boxers out there I hope they see this

I like all y'all I like all y'all I'm gonna support all y'all And if y'all won't smoke We could we could spar We can spark if y'all if y'all want to go Like dude you got They hit you your ribs

To make you feel you're gonna' I will fall. Man man I'm not gonna have to play with me man I'm at the city man I don't care nothing about that I don't care by no belts I don't care by no pound You got started too late

Ocho you got started too late I ain't gonna see a punch 1972 what did you talk about God starting to light. I've been using these. No. I've been using these. Fight the Liberty City.

Fight the Liberty City. I've been using these, man. I've been to worry you, B. Ocho. Talk about, son. Stop playing with my top, B. Hey, no, all jokes aside. No, for real, all jokes aside,

I love them dudes. I love them dudes because they stop their style of fighting. Oh, that shit is entertaining. Remain private. Remain private asks, who you like, Ocho. versus Devin Haney at 140. That's a good one, boy.

There ain't no good anybody ask you. He's there with a good fight. All right. Let me talk. Let me talk about the logistics of the fight. That's the big fight. Well, the legitimacy is going to be in Vegas. It's going to be in Vegas.

Matter of fact, that could be a hundred, a hundred million dollar purse because he ain't got to go to Vegas. We could take it to Saudi Arabia. Huh? It's something about fights that happened in Vegas. Listen to me. Now, we could take it to Saudi Arabia for a hundred million dollars. if you really want to talk.

But anyway, listen, Tank versus Haney, they don't need to do it now. They need to continue to let the hype continue to build. Continue to build. It will be a great fight. It will be a great fight. How it's going to go? I'm not sure.

What is Devin going to do? He's going to keep him at length. Keep him at length. But we know Tank, and we've all watched Tank fight. Listen, he'll take one or two just to get up in there and he'll let go. But Devin ain't sitting still. He's getting in and getting out. Getting in and getting out.

He's defensively sound. Great footwork. As does Teng. I mean, listen, it's a chess match between two great chess players. And when that fight does happen, I can't wait. And then, again, I like both of them. Who do I root for? Would I like both of them.

That's why I don't like that. If you like this fighter, you can't like no. Nah, man, I'm room for Bud. I'm room for, I'm room for Tanger. Room for Taylor. I'm room for Boots. Hey, well, boots. man let me take my glass off

boy boots blood are making them put it right back on let's hey blood to make them put him right back on stop playing with it listen I'm you see you're trying to start some I ain't trying to

start none hey boots boots and arrow I mean not arrow boots and goddamn bud they toolbox I'm saying they toolbox you know you know how you got tools

when it's time to go to work boy then boy got a toolbox boy boy don't boy got a toolbox boy box boy I beat their ass but they got a toolbox I respect the boys I know they gonna see this and if they want to fight they know where to find me I'm in Philly I'm in Philly every Monday and I come to Nebraska choose one ohcho you gotta choose one you want to choose one you want blue seniors or you want to know no don't don't do that no don't do that no I don't do that that's what I just I just explained to you I love I love these boys

and now you're telling me to pick one so let me ask you a question I just let me ask you a question how the hell I get you on ESPN they ask you to pick the Cowboys in the bill and you say I like both of them. That's not the problem. You know what the problem is? The problem is you can't handle the truth. You are an analyst. You can't handle the truth.

It's not about no. You like both of them. Do you understand what your job is? Do you understand your job? My job. Let me tell you what my job is. I know my job and I know my purpose. My purpose is to enjoy the sweet science

and to appreciate what, but let me finish. You're an analyst. Can I finish? Can I finish? Let me finish. Yes. My job is to appreciate the sweet science. As someone who does it, hard time is a hobby, and has submerged himself in it.

If I tell you, I like two fighters or like four, I like five, don't ask me who I like between two of them that I enjoy watching. Is that a problem? That shouldn't be a problem. Yes. You are an analyst. You can like two things that happen. to pick one. You can like ice cream. You can like hamburgers and pick one over the hamburger and ice cream. Why can't I have the hamburger and ice cream? Chat, chat, chat. You

understand why now? Chat, do you understand why now? Why now what? You understand chat. What is the chat saying? What? The chat on the chat, the chat says they understand why Shannon won't bring you on first tape because you have to pick one or the other. Well, you know what? I. You know what? I don't want to go on first take no more. I don't want to go. I ain't changing for nobody. I ain't even follow the NFL rules and I ain't changing that. Yes, you did.

Yes, you did. Yes, you did. I'm going. I ain't going. I like Bud and I like boots. If you didn't follow NFL rules, why did you wear a home jersey away? Why did you wear away jerseys at home? If you didn't follow the jersey.

Stop playing. You know what I'm talking about. Exactly. You didn't follow the rules. Yes, you did. They took all my little change. Let me ask you a question. If you ain't followed the rule, why you ain't lined up off side?

I ain't never did that. Why did you get a running start like Canada? You know, in Canada you can get the most. You get a pre-A-Ocho. Ocho, here's the thing, Ocho. Ocho. I'm just, oh-ch-I'm just telling you what this- I don't care about the chat.

Ocho. I don't care about the chat. But you should care. This is how we make. Lord, have mercy. Hey, you think I've been one way, right? Listen to me. I've been one way.

always. I've always been one way. You want to know why we are, where we are, where we at? Because I'm remaining my true authentic self for you trying to get me to change and I'm never going to change. That's why this is going to work. I'm never changing. So stop asking me. I like and I like boots and it's going to stay like that. I don't care what the fuck. You've heard the chaos. Now you can see it. Hello. My gosh. Watch all your favorite podcasts from start to finish right inside the free IHR I get the blood going up.

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Hell yeah. This is First America, the true story of how the United States came to be, and how we got to this present moment. Listen to First America on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Eric on a wide receiver. How you say that name? Keteroa McMillan? Ocho

says he doesn't watch football and doesn't like watching game film. I don't like watching game film either. I don't ever watch it by myself because we go over film as a receiver group. Ocho, is this a big deal or no? You know, I don't think it's a big deal because... Oh, Lord, have mercy, Ocho.

You asked me a question, right? Yeah. Okay, you asked me as a big deal. I don't think it's a big deal. What does he do once you turn the film on? Him, specifically, from an individual standpoint. So watching film is not a big deal? Answer what I just said.

When you turn the film on and it's time for him to play, what does he do on the field? Regardless of him not watching film. Does he show up and play? Is he productive at what he does? I'm asking you. I know a guy had that same thing, Jamarcus Russell. How did that work out for him? I don't know.

I don't know about Jamarcus Russell. You do know about Jamarcus Russell. He was the first number one overall pick. We not talk about Jamarcus, we talk about him. This, Ocho, so this man, they got to watch no film. Yeah, he got to watch film. You asked me, is it a big deal? I said, no, it's not a big deal.

If you produce me, you get your ass on the field. How are you going to get mad at my goddamn answer? Because you're saying stuff, Ocho. You said watching film for a receiver is not a big deal. He says, He doesn't watch it by himself, but he watches it collectively as a group. You know in order to be great, you've got to watch it on your own. So just watching it, so just watching it as a group at the team thing.

That's good enough. I'm just why I want to make sure because clarification. Listen, that's him. I know what I did. Oh, Cho, that's why we're asking you. You were the pro bowler. You're saying it's not a big deal. Can I, hold on, hold on.

Let me, let me ask you something real quick. So watching the film by yourself, right? Yes. Stay with me real quick. Stay with me. Yes. You know what you're looking at. You're looking at DB.

You're looking at defense. Yes. I'm watching the technique outside. Do they do the freeze technique? Do they press bail? What do they do? Outside, inside? Yes.

I'm watching all that. Yes. All that good stuff. Now, me and you on the same page, right? Let's say he doesn't watch it as an individual, but he watches it at a group. He watches it as a group. Once he gets to the next level. And he gets out and does what he's supposed to,

do without watching it individually. Is it still a bad thing? He's still productive. It is still a bad thing? I don't believe. I mean personally, oh, you don't think he can get it done because he doesn't watch film by himself.

No, no, no, no. There have been guys that watch film and can't get it done. I just in order. I'm not saying that. But what I'm saying, but I'm saying is the intricacies of what you're watching that guy does at a certain down and distance

because everybody, so because I've got watch a guy that he might play such and such different than what he plays me. I need to know it down the distance, area of the field, how that guy is going to play because he's going to play, hey, is he going to play the sticks? Right. Is he pressed bell? Does he, you know, is he cluing? I need to know all that.

If I'm not watching tape, it's just hard for me to believe. Now, he could. He could be that immensely talented. Right. So you know what? I'm just going to show up. But I don't know. I haven't heard any receivers.

that's worth anything that says, nah, you know, I'm good. Because you've got to do it on your own. Yeah, you have to. And when I think about it, now, I'm only speaking because when he said, he says, he didn't say he didn't watch it at all.

He said he watched it as a group. Now, that's one thing. Now, him not doing it individually. I mean, that's on him. But he was very productive in what he did. And when you turn on the film. He said, I don't ever need to watch it by myself.

This is what he said. Yeah, yeah. I don't like watching film either. I don't ever need to watch film by myself because we go over it, film as a receiver group. Group collectively, yeah, see? Yeah, that's different. My reason for watching film individually is I had no choice. Despite the entertainment, the jokes and the laugh and the celebrations, I was a student of the game.

I studied film just like the quarterback. You wanted to be good, Ocho. Right. You wanted to be great. Oh, great. Okay. And you realize that's what it took in order to be great. You realize that just your God-given ability wasn't going to beat enough.

Now, that might have gotten you to that point. Yes, sir. What's going to take me to the next level? Next level. With every other receiver is just as talented as I. Yes, sir. You're right. You're right.

And so that's what it. But, Ojo, my better point, everything that's thought doesn't need to be said out loud. Okay. Some things you just keep to yourself. He'll learn it, though. Now, I want you to tell me what you think. them 32 NFL teams thinking. Mm-hmm.

You're right. That's what I don't get, Ocho. I don't get, because you know how teams feel, remember what they put, if it wasn't a big deal, why did they put that clause in and Kyle Emery's contract? Calais. Cala Murray, oh, about gaming? Yeah. Why would you, why would you ever say this publicly?

When you're about to get, Ocho, somebody's about to get, you going on the job interview. Mm-hmm. And you tell the people I don't really like coming on time. Why would you ever tell the people that's interviewing you for a job that? Get the job first. First, yeah. And then let them figure out that you don't like to bring your ass to work on time. I'm not going to tell you.

Hey, yeah, you're right. But one thing by Young Bull, you know, they interviewed him for a reason. They're talking to him for a reason. If you watch him, if you watch him on film, you watch him on tape. Oh, he's going to get drafted somewhere. Now, the issues and some of the things he already said, oh, they're going to fix that. They didn't know a problem. Because once you get drafted, wherever you go,

they're going to teach you and let you know in order to be great, in order to make this 53-man roster, you're going to have to be watching film. You're going to have to because there's a whole different ballgame of one percenters once you do make it. The things you were able to get away with in college, you won't be able to get away with it. No.

At the next level. You won't be able to. And one of the edges that you need is up here, upstairs. Yes. Up here. Because you need to know what the DB is thinking about doing before he does. Yeah. So, oh, bro, I know this down the distance.

I don't see you too many times. I know what you can play this technique. Yep. I already know what you're going to do. This is what you always do. Yeah. And there are articles being circulated now that now predict him to fall in the draft because of this interview and 15 seconds of comments.

Mm. Ocho. Wow. Ocho, you three weeks through, the draft is what, a little less than a month away. Right. Ocho, why would you ever say this? Yeah, listen, I don't know. It's something that I would have kept it myself. Yes! Obviously, I wouldn't say anything like that, but I'm also someone that loves watching film. I love it.

I just love it. I love watching DBs. I love watching the safety and seeing what they're doing based on down and this and so I was, I had no choice, Unk. I talked too much shit not to watch film. I got to know what's coming before I come. I got to. That's the edge I needed. I wasn't physically imposing, you know. So my one edge was, I got to be able to beat you up here before I beat you anywhere else. You're absolutely right. I got to be able to beat you up here. And I'm not even viewed as one of those type of players that was a student in the game. I'm viewed as just entertainment and fun.

Man, you understand the work I had to put it throughout the week to be able to pull off the stuff I was pulling off. The guys are too good. Man, stop playing. The guys are too good. show. Way too good. The guys are too, because you got to, and I want to tell people, everybody at some point in time was an all state, all conference, all American, all this, all that. What's going to set you apart? Now, I'm just saying on show, just because you were all this, all that. Yeah. That doesn't mean you're going to be great in the NFL. Just because you study film,

doesn't mean you're going to be great in the NFL. But I need, you need every advantage that you possibly can get. Because this is a game of inches. You being open like you was open in college, that issue ain't going to happen. Uh-uh. Unless it's a busted coverage, it ain't happened. Yes. Yes.

So this notion that, you know what, hey, I'm so gifted. And you know what? A lot of the DVs that you probably went against, they might not be playing on Sunday. On Sunday, yeah. But the guys you're about to go against, all of them going to play on Sunday. every last one of them. Yeah. I'm just a firm believer, Ocho, especially,

and you know how this, let me ask you a question. Yeah. Those 32 general managers, those head coaches, I want you to tell the people at home what you think they're thinking. Do they forget what me and you think is a big deal? Right. Do you think general managers and coaches, do you think they think it's a big deal?

Yeah, you know, they think it's a big deal because they want you to do everything right. They want you to do everything right. All the things necessary, as far as preparation and being ready, not just for game day, but just for practice. How well do you know your opponent? There's only one way to do that.

That's through film study. But again, you know what happened? I think he's going to be a gym. Wherever he fall to, it's going to be a gym. And if anything, if he does fall in the draft, or maybe something like this, if he does fall in a draft, there might be a team. I hope he falls us because we can use him.

But, you know, at the end of the day, it's something I wouldn't have said. It's something you wouldn't have said. You're living and you learn. You're living and you learn. And he'll become a little bit more media savvy with the way he conducts himself when it comes to answering questions. I don't get why you would ever put something that was going to, in every stretch of the imagination. That's like a defense or office line and saying, I don't like lifting weights.

Yeah. How? Fool them. These kids just say anything and what has happened is that in today's society, oh, people want to be themselves and then get paid on somebody else's job. How do they work, Ocho? You hear people all the time. Why can't be me?

Because that's not your job. You're not paying you. When you work for your own self, me, if I want to show up late, Ocho, yeah, I could. I own the company. But how is that going to look? Right. You have to set the example. Mm-hmm.

I have a level of expectation. Be on time. I don't have a whole lot of rules. Right. Just be on time. That's really the only rule that I have. Oh, I got a great one, too. Let me think about this now.

If I'm not mistaken, at the Patrick Mahomes' second year, was it the second year he said he didn't watch film? No. He said he didn't understand what he was looking at. What he's looking at? Okay. Yeah.

No. Wait, that's the same goddamn thing. you watch it, but don't understand what the hell you watch it, but you're still going out there cutting the food. It wasn't until like, because he was, at first year he didn't start. It wasn't until he got with somebody that understood and says, okay, look at this.

Yeah. This is going to be your keys. Because a lot of the, oh, I mean, I went to an HBCU. I ain't know, hey, we ain't watched no film. I ain't going to lie. Right. You're watching a film. Because in black college, that's why,

If you get a corner out of black college, that's why they used to go to black college and get them, because what could they play? Man coverage. It wasn't no cover two. It wasn't none of that stuff. It was man. Lock up.

Oh, man. Lock up, yeah. Yes. So me, I would beat man coverage. So, Ocho, they go out there, run a zone. Hell, I'm booking it. No, no, son, no, no, son. Stop.

Oh, man. He ain't got me? That's funny. Then I started now, all of a sudden, Ocho, I'm like, oh, man, I like this. Oh, this is a cheating. You give me the answer to the test. Right. I know you're going to run a couple of coverages that you haven't shown me.

Mm-hmm. But for the most part, you're going to be true to who you are. Always. I mean, every once in a while, I was just watching a deer on IG with eating a rabbit. A deer? Yeah. Deers don't even eat rabbits. See, every once in a while, he show you something you hadn't seen before.

So I'm saying to curry once in a while, Lord Cho, you're going to show me a coverage. I ain't seen before. That might have been AI you was watching, too. No, that wasn't a. Hey, hey, animal get hungry enough just like you, you get hungry enough, you eat whatever. I eat whatever when I'm not hungry, but go ahead. We already know you eat whatever. But I don't, I just say, Chad, it's just me.

I just don't understand why you would ever say that publicly. Everything that you think, people can think a thought is not a crime. A thought is not anything bad. It's the act. It's the once you say it. Why would you say that publicly and you're less than a month away from the draft? So what do you think the people that's drafted you, looking to put millions of dollars in your pocket?

No, man. Mm-mm. Okay. That's just like, hey, there are some, oh, Joe, there are some people that's naturally gifted that, you know, didn't have to study for tests and they were good at it. Yeah. But guess what?

Them numbers and them words on the page ain't moving. When them guys try to put their hand around your neck and choke your ass out. Now, you know, now you know he's going to get tested. First of all, he'll first round pick. We got to test you regardless. Oh, yeah. Because I got to see what's all the hype about. I need to see why you a first round pick.

I need to see. Absolutely. I got to see. Whatever you come in with your resume, Heisman, Belitnikov, Thorpe, Nogerski, Outland. I don't know what you want. But if you got one of them awards, if you're a first round pick, you're a high draft pick.

Let me see what they talk about, man. Or we're going to put you to the test on show. You know that. Every time. We're going to put you to the test. especially when everybody come together. Is it a minicamp, no, OTAs? OTAs, yeah.

OTAs. Because, you know, they're going to have the draft. So probably like the first week in May. Yeah, you got rookie minicamp. But it might be just all rookies. It might just be a rookie mini camp. Yeah, it's always rookie, rookie camp first. You know, like rookie and first year players,

not the, you know, not the high draft pick, but the guys that, you know, guys that were on the practice squad. Because, you know, there are a couple of guys that were on the practice squad, that they need a whole lot of playing time. Those will be the guys that are required to be in. All the draft picks, the undrafted free,

agents that they brought in. They're going to bring some undrafted players then to take a look at them and see what they got going on and see if they could potentially be camp bodies or could possibly make a squad. Right. But I don't know why he said that, bro. Yeah. Damn.

But, bro, I wish you the best. I can't do nothing but wish you the best. If that's your MO and it's gotten you that far, hey. Listen, it's gotten it this far. It's going to change, though. He'll understand that. They'll explain that to him. And I don't think it were really,

I don't think it were hurting draft stock because if they want him bad enough and there's a spot for him based on what they've seen on film during his collegiate career, they'll get him in there and fix the situation. Now, if you come in here, you're not going to do this. This is what you're not going to do when you come here. Your best players are your hardest workers.

That's when you get a Michael Jordan, you get a Kobe, you get a LeBron, you get a Brady, you get a Brady, you get a Peyton Manning, you get an Adrian Peterson, you get a Ray Lewis, you get, that's what you get. Yeah. You get a Jamar Chase. That's what you get. Guys don't are immensely talented.

Yeah. Work extremely hard. Go to extra mile to be great because it's just not good enough. I don't want to be good. I want to be great. Yeah. I'm trying to be transcendent and historically great. Because what I'm done, I want you to talk about me.

When I'm done, I want you to say this guy, you know what this guy reminds me of? He reminds me of Jamar Chase. This guy reminds me of Ray Lewis. This guy reminds me of Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White or Tom Brady. That's what you won't. Let me say, hey, some guys, hey, I played in NFL five, six, seven years. I played 10 years, good, made me a nice salary.

Guy whoopoo, I did what I wanted to do. It all depends on the individual. What do you want your legacy to be in a, given sport. I mean, some people, you know, some people, just like anything, some people find, hey, being on the job, collecting a check, that's it. Hey, I'm working the same position. They continue.

I don't want to move up because more responsibility come when you move up, Ojo. I like this right here. Mm-hmm, hmm. I come in, put my eight, nine hours in, go home. Yeah. Nah, hell, no. That ain't me. Ocho, A.J. Brown's cryptic tweet,

Coach Nick Seriana responded today to his star receiver. Obviously, AJ is very important to this football team. I know he wants to contribute. I know he wants to contribute and do things he's capable of doing. He wants to contribute into these wins. And he's had a couple of games where he hasn't been able to be a different for a different reason. But I questioned nothing about his desire to play great football.

His desire to be a great teammate, his desire to be here. Ocho, what do you, uh, and what he had to say? I like it. It's cool. I mean, a coach going in front of the cameras, going in front of the media and saying the things he has to say. He has to say those things. Now, the comments, I think he probably with AJ might be completely different. It might be completely different because that's the way a coach and a player talk to each other. I'm sure he's, um, he knows the frustration. A.J. Brown has said this countless times over and over and over again. He said it last year. He said it last year. He said it.

And the media thing was last week or maybe week before last, before he had the game he had last week. It's constantly the same thing. And I think a lot of people are saying, oh, he's a diva. Oh, he's selfish. No, he's not. He wants to win. When it comes to winning, obviously you want to be a part of that. It's like doing a school project.

It's like doing a group project in school and everybody else do the work. And you sit on the backhand and everybody getting the ward. and then you're like, well, hell, I didn't even get to hell. I feel like I ain't doing nothing. He just want to be a part and contribute to the wins that they're having, being able to contribute to the open. He contributed. He blocked and doing a great job.

That's a part of it, don't you? I mean, sometimes, look, I understand. Look, we all, when we say we want to, you know, we want to contribute, receivers won't, they want to win. I'm not questioning whether or not a receiver, wants to win, but they really like to win their way. That means 10 catches 100 yards and a touchdown at least. That's what they figure contributing.

Blocking is not a necessary, blocking is not really a part where they feel they're contributing. They measure their worth in catches and yards and touchdowns, and I get it. I'm glad you said that. They measure their worth. How do you measure the value when it's time to get paid of a good receiver by his what? All that comes into place. Yes, catching touchdowns. But blocking.

blocking is also a part of that. I never seen a great blocking receiver get $30 million. Never. They weren't back there back then. But Jerry Rice Block. Come on, man. I'm just saying, Ocho, we've got to stop this. Now, look, I understand that we like these guys.

Let's call it what it is. A.J. Brown is upset that he's not care. He sees Pooka Nakua. He sees all these other receivers. putting your numbers. Yeah. Yes. So winning is not the most important thing.

His stats are. Of course they are because that's how they back. That's how they judge us. That's how they value. What's the first thing? When you talk about numbers, that's the first thing we only talk about. Let me ask you question.

You talk about top five? What's the first thing we do? We bring up the numbers. Let me ask you a question. Talk to me. Did you ever, did you ever hear Heinz War complaint? He didn't have to. They got him the ball.

Go ahead. Next. He blocked. People thought they changed the rule. They got a rule in for Heinz Ward. And Quam Bolden, guys blocked. I, oh, Cho, I get it. Because, so this notion that he cares more about winning, he doesn't.

He cares about his stance. So, you didn't care about your stats? Is that what he's doing? How do you go public and complain about catches when you win? If you lose it, he has a valid argument because if you give me the ball, we would not be in this situation. You're winning.

You're winning, Ocho. Okay, all right. You're right. All right, you're winning. You're winning. Okay. So let me ask you question. Let me ask you, let me ask you, let's, I give you a prime example.

Let's just say for the sake of argument. Jaila Hurts, saying, Jaylor Hurts winning. He said, man, but damn, I'm throwing for 112 yards, but he's see all these other guys throwing for 300, 400 yards. And he said, man, I need to throw to throw to, the ball more. What would you say then? Wait. They measure quarterback by his numbers.

So if Jalen Hurst throwing for 112, 1.30, they winning and he says, man, I want to throw the ball like Mahomes. I mean, I wish I could throw the ball like my homes. I wish I could throw the ball or like Josh Allen. I wish I could put the ball in the air like some of these other quarterbacks. What would you say then? Stats is everything.

I just say, I'll just, I'll like know. No, no, no. I love love how you switch things up. stats is everything and you know that. There's a reason why he's fussing. You know that. I know why. I know why.

When it comes to this dirty business. You know that. There's a reason why every receiver, every number one acts of fool when it comes to their numbers and getting catches. Because they base our value on production. You know that. Let me ask your question. Let's just say for the sake of argument, let's just say, He had Puka Nekua's numbers, but they were one and three.

That's a hypothetical. That's a hypothetical. You see what you did. See, I got it, Jack. Hold on. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish.

When you go to the table, are they- He already got paid. Let me finish. Okay. He got paid already, right? Yes. So you know what they're going to tell him? Well, AJ, you know what?

Your production doesn't match the salary you're making. So we don't need you to take a pay cut because when it comes to making $30 million a year, they don't measure by wins and losses. It's based on the goddamn numbers and your production. Not no damn blocking. Oh, you block really well. We're going to pay your 30.

Let me ask you this. Are the Eagles the only team that pay receivers? So you don't think he could go anywhere else? So if his numbers are not good there, what are other teams looking at him? They say, AJ still. I don't know. I don't know. You're going from you're going from.

we were talking about one scenario. We talk about one scenario. I'm saying, you're trying to say the only important to him is his stats. I thought winning. When he came there, he said he wanted to be a part of a win. He already.

Give me some goddamn numbers. He had to go through this shit last year. And guess what? He got paid. He got paid. He got paid. He got paid. I can see if he was on that first contract.

He got paid. Oh, so I got paid. Hold on. got paid. So you know what? I'm good. One catch for seven yards in a four quarter game is enough for 30. Yeah, two. That's okay. That's okay. That's okay. I'm just asking you, is that okay by your standards? Is that okay by your Hall of Fame? He could have called 12 for a buck 50 and loss. Would that be okay by your standards? If that okay by your, I'm just asking you. You know what? It's okay. It's, listen. No, no, no, I feel let you go like this. So if he catches 12 for a buck,

50 and they lose, that's okay. Let me say something. He didn't catch 12 foot buck 50 and they lost. He caught two for seven and they won. And they won. So what's he complaining about? I thought the most important thing was winning. Okay, you're right.

You know what? You're right. It is. Right. So I'm asking, is it to win or his numbers? I mean, you would like to be able to contribute. You would like to. I'm just asking.

Is it winning or the numbers? The numbers. And winning. No. Well, he's winning. He's winning. He's winning, oh, Choo! All right. I remember, hey, I remember the time. He's so funny.

Anytime we talk about, when you talk, anytime we talk about receivers, quarterbacks, the first thing we bring up is numbers. The only thing we bring up his number, now all of a sudden catching two goddamn, two passes for seven yards, it's okay because you win it. No. All right.

Hello. All right. We mentioned Jaila Hertz. We don't mention no numbers. We mentioned winners. Everybody says he should be a top quarterback. No, no, no. When we talk about winners, we talk about individuals.

And the only way we talk about those winners and individuals is by mentioning their numbers and why they're winning. Okay, which in J. LaHers numbers? People say Jalen Hurts should be thought of as a top five quarterback because he's a winner. He doesn't have top five quarterback numbers, but he wins. So now I'm trying to figure out Is it winning or is it numbers? I'm just curious, Ocho. Hey, boy, you forgot, boy.

Hey, boy, you forgot. Ocho, man, you look, I was the number one guy for a while, for a while in Denver. And, yeah, I like to catch. But at the end of the day, if I said I wanted to win, and I've caught most of the time that when I had big games, I can honestly say most of the times

when I had big games, we won. But there are times that, you know, I didn't have a great game as far as stats-wise as we won. How am I going to go publicly, go public and complain when we're winning? How? Right. That's all I'm saying. Look, I understand his frustration. I do.

Yes, I do. Because you get out there and you practice all week long and they tell you they're going to get you the ball and then come game time, it don't happen. I get it. I've been there. Hey. But it's hard. It's just, it's just hard when you're winning to convince people and convince the media that winning is the most important thing because it sounds like your numbers are the most important thing.

I'm just saying how it comes up. Hey, I got a question. Go ahead. When it comes time for players to get paid, what do they base it off of? You're what? I'm in Ross St. Brown. Whether he's gotten paid or not. When it's time for a player to get paid,

what do they base it off when you go to the table? What do they bring up your what? Your stats. All right. Takes close. Let me get some of the drink. They bring up your stats, but what about winning? Tell me the guy that got paid

and top receiver money and they're not winning. What receiver getting top money? Tell me the receivers that's making top money that didn't make playoffs. Has Jetta ever made the playoffs? Has CD ever made the playoffs? Hey, um, has Chase, I'm just asking, Ocho, you keep playing.

That don't make no sense. They're not getting paid because they made the playoffs. Don't do that. If they wanted, if they didn't make the playoff, they were getting paid anyway. So you were, so I'm,

you're naming the three best receivers in the league. So let me get this straight. So you'd rather have stats than lose than have lesser staff to win. Why are you trying to talk about losing and winning? We talk about, because they're winning and he doesn't have the stats. He could have stats and lose,

like he was losing in Tennessee. That's, this, you, you talk about two totally different things. No, I'm not. I said, what do they base it off of when it's time to get paid? I'm just asking you a simple question. Numbers in production. That's what they do. Oh, Joe.

I'm just asking. So you can put hypotheticals that that had nothing to do with anything. I just ask you a question. So how many times I give you a prime example? Here's a guy that put up stats and they didn't win and he didn't. Megatron. How many times do you hear Megatron complain about the ball? Who else were they going to throw it to?

See, there you go. You see how they got you changed it. Who else were they going to throw it to? They didn't have a choice. Stafford didn't have a choice but to throw it to him. You see? You see how you flipping it? Oh, Cho.

Hey, he didn't win. He had crazy stats. Crazy stats. Nineteen hundred and sixty-four yards on a 16-game season. for what? Asking why did he leave early? Ask Barry Sanders, why did he retire early? All those rush yards.

All those receiving yards. He said, man, I just got tired of losing. Yeah. You think that's what it was? Because I'm just going back. If it's a lie, if it's a lie they told it. I can tell you why Calvin wanted to go. I can tell you that.

It ain't gotten to do with no goddamn losing. Okay. Well, if it's a lie, he told it. Hey, that was a great conversation. Hey, I hope you don't think he will go out there and turn it out against O O.O. P.S. Quay, you have our P.S. Quay. Hey, listen, let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. Hey, chat.

Chat, stay with me real quick. Hey, um. What? I wouldn't be surprised. It's obviously you know the players upset. Yes. Oh, they're going to try to get in the rock. inside that building, the first thing he going to want to do,

and I guarantee you, and I bet the house on it, the first play is going to him. I don't know what it's going to be. It could be something quick. I'm doubling him. It's going straight to him. I'm doubling it. Hey, you know what you're supposed to do.

A guy like that, you double it. You take him away early because then he goes like, man, here we go to say. Whoa. You're playing the Philadelphia Eagles. Double who? You better drag. You better drop nine in the box and stop playing.

you better drop nine in the boxes. We're good. Hey, what we'll do, we'll take P square. We take P square. We put him home. Whoever, he ain't catching nothing. Man, listen. Hey, Pat Surtain, get up there playing with 11, 11 if he want to.

He'd get up there playing with 11 he want to. He'd get bench press out the way. Don't do that. Hey, hey, hey, hey, that P, hey, hey, they. Them hands, hey. Excuse me. And listen. And listen, hey, a P2 got lucky tonight. PS2 got lucky tonight.

For what? He didn't have a quarterback. He lucky. You had a quarterback last year. You had a quarterback last year. And we beat y'all, didn't we? But what did Chase do? We beat y'all, didn't we?

Oh, see, oh, I told now. We beat y'all, didn't we? Chat, did you hear what he just said? We beat y'all, didn't we? Now, chat, did you hear what he just said? Did we not beat y'all? you're talking. Chat, did you hear what he just said? Now it's about winning.

It's not about stats. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're talking about stats. You're talking about the Trump winner? You're talking about, hey, hold on. You told him the truth of a crown winner? Huh? You just told me, Chad.

What did he just tell me? Hold on. We were talking about the Pacific situation. Yes. I said P.S. Square, shut him down. You said we won the game. Don't nobody. Hey, man, man, stop.

Go back and look at Chase's numbers in that game. When, when, uh, uh, Satan didn't give up, Satan didn't give up 200 yards last year. Look up, look up Higgins numbers in that game. Not what he, oh, he went against Moss. Who won the game? Y'all won.

But I thought, but you say winning just about stats. I thought you told, the point was the win. So we won. Stats shouldn't matter, right? Ain't that what you said? Jake, this man just talked. Make up your mind.

Hey, you know what y'all do? Hey, you know what? Come up out of this, son. I'm getting hot now. Uh-huh. Hey, hey, I got my, I got my AC off. I'm hot. Man, I got my AC on, and it's still hot.

I'm going to have to have me another road made. Got so tight on my shoulders, I can barely turn around. Dang. Oh, Joe. What up? You want one of these t-shirts? I get you a Bronco T-shirt. I'm good.

See, we should have bet. We should have bet. The loser would have had to wear the loser would have had to wear the other team's gear. Oh, no, I can't do that. That disrespectful. That disrespectful for all the years and hard work and the blood, sweating tears, and going to war with my teammates, even put on another team jersey like that. No, I can't do that.

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Listen to Unshaken with Gary V on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Michael Parsons went on Funny Marco's podcast and has an interesting comments on a joke. You know we want to make sure everyone has the full context. Yes. So here is the full too many clip. So we don't want to have no confusion.

No way. That's not what he's saying. Here is the full two minute clip of what Michael Parsons said on Funny Markle's podcast. Take a listen, chat. Like I tell you, like, fuck Skip Bayless. Fuck all of them. Uh-huh. Like, I don't give a fuck.

That's that, but that's them because that's part of. talking, it's communication. Yeah, no, I just like, like, they want to rage bait me, rage me. Like, but like they won't say that to my face, like, I wouldn't. I'll talk shit, my lying back to you. Like, you're like, fuck them. I would be the same thing. Like, fuck them.

I'll be fuck. I tell you how it is, you suck. You suck. Your show don't work no more. Like, what are we talking about here? Just open, open thoughts. Yeah. That's why does this call open thoughts?

Because you just have an open thought of, like, like, like, motherfuckers be trying to, be trying to like tell you how to play the game come play my position skip because i can do what you do yeah i do it i do it yeah so like what are you where are we talking about here is shan and sharp on the good side she she he live on he he he live on both sides like he know how to play the fine line between like as a player and as a show like he played that like he don't really show up when it matter but he's a good play like he knows how to but he knows how to he sometimes he edge on that he'd be he'd be letting them ESPN writers get to him a little bit i can

tell so do you see yourself at the retirement being a sports uh analyst and talking you know being on it honestly just depends on like if they let me be me like i'm not here to instigate no other player or talk bad about another player because they had a bad game or whatever the organization if they want me to be anti whatever fan base, I'm good, bro. I'm not no fucking puppet. A lot of these dudes just puppets for national TV. If you want to be a puppet, be a puppet, but that's not me.

I'm not selling my soul for a check. I'm paid. I'm good. Forever. Forever. That's why I'm going to be your friend. You want to go first? I like that.

I don't know what show it was. I don't know if our show's a number, but I did talk about I wish players were a little bit more honest and were opened and would open up about how they truly feel. Start telling the truth on how they really feel. Everyone is always PC. This is the first person that I've seen come along

and actually voiced his opinion on how he felt about punts and analysts. Your thoughts. It was fine. I mean, he said what he said about Skip. I'm not here to defend or protect or whatever he said about Skip. I was cool until he brought my name up. Wait, it wasn't bad.

I was an advocate. Right. Go back and look when he was coming out and see what I said about this young man. Yes, sir. He said, well, he knows how to play the, right. You know what I do? This is what I do, Michael. Because what I believe, and I've said this before, chat,

and y'all know I said this. Once a person has done something, whether or not he plays good, bad, and a game, I don't take away from what he's already done. So Michael, me saying, Michael is a phenomenal player. He's a first team all pro. He's a perennial defensive player of the year candidate,

but he did not play well in this game. What's wrong with what I said? So here's some stat. Michael Parsons with the Cowboys, Ocho. He had 52 and a half sacks, 21, 22, 23, 24. Yes, sir. He played in Green Bay.

He became only the second player in the NFL. history to notch 12 plus sacks in his first four seasons behind the only great legendary Reggie White. Yeah. Rest your soul. In four playoff games with Michael, Michael Parsons played with the Cowboys, he has eight solo tackles, 10 assisted tackles, one sack, zero interceptions, zero force fumbles, zero thudble recoverers, zero touchdowns, three quarterback hits, three tackle for losses.

Oh, so what am I supposed to do? Please tell me what I'm supposed to do. Michael Parsley is a phenomenal player, but in order for the Cowboys to be better, he needs to be better. What's wrong with that? So he needs to be better in those specific games once they reach the player. That's what I said. Okay, okay, okay.

How am I playing both sides? I'm being honest. He's a phenomenal player, but he didn't play well today. That's why Green Bay put 48 on. on you. That's why those teams did what they did to your defense because you didn't play like we've seen you play in the regular season.

What is wrong with that? Oh, ESPN riders, Chad, do y'all really believe, honestly, y'all, y'all seen me at a lot of different locations. Y'all seen me at Fox for seven years. Y'all saw me at ESPN for two. Do y'all really believe they be telling me what to say? Considering what I be saying, do you really honestly believe? leave.

No, that would mean you would have a ghostwriter, and you can tell by the way you talk and the way you explain yourself and you go in depth about the game in general, that's not coming from anyone else except you and your expertise based on what you see because you don't watch the goddamn sound when you're watching football anyway. I don't. So that's all

you. He also said, you know, he don't want to, you don't like it. It ain't about a disliking a fan base. My only thing is the Cowboys. I say they have delusional fans. Because every year, think about it. When Jerry purchased this team in 1989, within the first seven years,

he had gone to four NFC championship, three Super Bowls, and won them all. Since that time, so he's on this team for 37 years. In the last 30 years, how many NFC championship games have been gone to, Ocho? How many Super Bowl appearances? So the delusion is that the fans keep saying every single year, this is their year, this is their year,

this is their year, this is their year. there's a very, very fine line between confidence and delusion. That in and of itself. And listen, one thing, yeah, one thing they will do. Cowboys fans, they will fight for their team. They will fight for their owner. They will fight for the players that are on that team, which is why I get so much pushback.

I don't mean to change the subject on George Pickens, understanding what the Cowboys need to compete and not being so heavy loaded on the front side on offense, but obviously he's of extreme value. knowing what you need defensively to help so you can compete so you can get back to the winning ways of the old cowboys, but you have no defense. And that's no disrespect to the players that are there right now,

but it just, it is what it is. I mean, it is what it is. Even with the trades that you made last year, you know, getting Kenny Clark, getting Keon Mitchell, you still need more. You still need more. You need a centerpiece. You need impact players.

For one, you got people loading up the front to be able to stop the run. You still need somebody on the edge. on the back end you still need somebody on the back end that can be an intricate part of your foundation in the secondary you don't have that right now

I mean I'm I mean it's That's what Oh cho that's what we're supposed to do Yeah We're supposed to look at a game Because you and I play in an extremely high level

We're supposed to look And what a player has already done And I've said this before When I talked about Tom Brady I'm not trying to take any of those Super Bowls Any of those all pros any of those MVP, but today he didn't play well. Miles Garrett is the best defensive player in the NFL.

Today he didn't play well. Whether you say it's Chase or JSN or Pooka Nakuha, they're the best receiver than football. Today wasn't their day. So I'm just trying to figure out what are we supposed to do. Are we supposed to cheerlead for y'all? Are we supposed to trumpet? Y'all calls no matter what.

So no matter how bad you play, Micah, I'm supposed to get on TV and say, you know what, Michael had a hell of a game, even though you did not, and we're talking about in the playoffs, because you mentioned it. Yeah. Well, he didn't play well of this game.

You didn't. You know, so what am I supposed to do? The fans see it. Right. The fans see it. Right. I mean, listen, the players are going to have to understand.

They're going to have to understand. Obviously, this era of players, because of social media, everything is magnified, especially when it comes from us, those that are doing the talking, having social media here as well, then it makes the voices for those that have platforms

and makes the voices and the things that they say that much louder. So it gets to the players, even if they want to hear it, but they have to understand that those that do jobs like yourself, like myself, who's gotten better at being critical of players when they don't play well,

is they have to be able to take constructive criticism. It's never saying that you, because they look at it as hate. Yeah, but it's never saying that you're a bad player. We know you're great. No. Listen, the funny thing about it, the only ones that get talked about are the ones that are great because we hold into a certain

expectation on what they've already done in the past and we don't play based on what we're used to seeing it gets talked about right but it's nothing personal it's just based on your performance that day and that game that's all and we're judging we're judging you off because you set the bar had you not what you have had you not done what you've done in your first four years no other player other than Reggie White has had at least 12 sacks in a season for four consecutive years to start their career. You and Reggie, rest is so, are the only ones to do that. So you set the bar pretty high. So come playoff times. This is where legends are made. This is how. If Tom Brady had had all these stats and not done what he done in the postseason,

are we looking at him the same? No. If Patrick Mahomes had not. done what he's done. Look at the guys that's done it. We judge him on the playoffs. That's how you make your name. That's how you become iconic. That's how you become legendary. Yes, Michael did what he did in the regular season.

But it was the postseason. Kobe, it was the postseason. LeBron, the step, the great players, what do you do when it absolutely matters the most? Yeah. That's what you judged against Micah. I have a question too.

Yes. When it comes in general, because he's so great, because he has their star on his helmet, because everybody is watching him being that he's the best player defensively, you think as a player, they kind of get frustrated a little bit and say, why is the focal point only on me and I'm playing a team game, but then you focus on, well, I didn't do this when, hell, the other 10 didn't do anything as well, but that is what happens when you were as great as you are. You have to be the difference maker.

Even if everybody else is not playing well, you got to be the one that pop out on film. Because you, you that boy. How much of that money he's going to split with his teammates? How much money he's going to split with that teammates that Green Bay gave it? Boy, that's a good one. It's a team game now. Remember, you said it's a team game.

That's a good one right there. But he got paid as an individual. That's a good one right there, boy. It's a good one. The thing is, Ocho, is that in the most important game, come playoffs. I gave you four playoff games. He has one sack and four playoff games. Is that good?

It's not. Yeah. That's Michael Parsons. He's one of the premium defensive players in all of football. We're basing enough. We're just looking at your resume. If you did this, Micah, had you not done what you done, if you were a guy that just had your first six season,

you had 25 sacks. I don't hold you in nearly, I don't know. I'm probably not even mentioning. you, bro. But because you have 50 plus in four seasons. Now we have to have a conversation. Why isn't the Micah that we saw in the regular season? Why isn't he showing up in the postseason? Right. That's it, bro.

I ain't got no, bro. I get, y'all know me, but I got to be honest, though, Micah. And you're not the only one. Go back and look at some of the things I said about Peyton Manning. Go back and look at some of the things I said about Tom Brady. And guess what? Every time I see Payton, guess what? Hey, come up to the box. Every time I saw Tom, had a great conversation with Tom,

talked a little bit about football, but mainly we talked about what he's doing now. How can he get better? X, Y, and Z. I just think the thing is, we're just at an age now that if somebody, that's 250, for 200, so in four playoff games, He's playing basically five, six.

He's basically playing 60 snaps. Yeah. A game. So 251 into four. So that's basically he's playing 60.2 snaps a game. That's damned to the whole game, Ocho. Yeah. Because you know they're only 65 to 65 to 70 snap.

So let's just say he's playing all, he's playing at least 95% of the snap. That's all we're saying, Michael. It's not that I dislike you. If it's not like I'm trying to play both sides, I'm trying to be as fair as I possibly can because I don't believe because you've had a bad playoff game that you are a bad player. My thing is that, man,

based on what Michael Parsons has shown me in the regular season, what he's shown me over the first four years of his career, I don't know what happened to him today. But this is not good enough for the Cowboys to win. And if they want to win, Michael's going to have to play better in the bigger games. The bigger the game, the bigger the player plays. That's all.

And if you take it that is personal or I dislike you, you're sadly mistaken. I don't know enough to dislike you. I have no opinion. What you do, what you do off the field, that is of no concern of mine. All I do is that when you punch that clock, be it at 105 or 420, yes, sir. Now, this is what we're watching. This is what we do it.

But I don't dislike anybody. I try to be as fair as I possibly can. in my critique of analysts when I put my analyst hat on Ojo but I appreciate you know me I mean look like I said I ain't here to defend nobody I mean me he talked

he brought me up in the conversation and I'm trying to explain to him if you had a problem with something that I said just come to me you got my number yeah and I just saw you at the Super Bowl yeah and but you also have to think too huh you got to think about

what he said. He does a good job because he played the game and explaining itself in a sense. And he sees it as somewhat being on the fence. But also when he doesn't play well, he's saying, but yeah, hey, I mean, he's saying you call it on both sides. You call it. Now, I'm not sure if you for a better context and why he said, F, you know, Skip, I'm not sure if you heard of him. That ain't got nothing to do with me. Yeah, I know it doesn't have anything to do with you. But that's why, that's why the anger was more so directed to him. It's more so directed than him because it's more of it's explanation in

and being critical of them, but it seems a lot more personal, especially when to come from someone that has never played the game. Well, I guess the thing is because some of the things that Skip says, like, he's happy that the guy got traded, he's not going to be missed. I don't care enough about no trade. That ain't got nothing to do with me.

Look, you played the Broncos. I love you when you're the Broncos. I wish you the best to luck if you go somewhere else. I don't get to all of that. It ain't that serious to me, Ocho. It's never been that serious to me, it's never going to be that serious to me. But I just need guys, not just Michael, Michael just

happen to be the one. Everybody, everybody. I do. Hold on. How about it? I do have a job to do. Yeah. So let's let me ask you a question. If you don't do your job, right. How long do you think you're going to be with particular set team? But this is, I have a job

to do. Right. And my job is to be as honest and as fair in my assessment of what I see based on my knowledge of the game and who you are as a player and what I see. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't add anything.

I don't add no yeast sort of growth. And I don't take anything out of it. Whatever the ingredients that you give me to make my argument for you, Ocho, that's what I use. So that's the, Ocho, that's the thing. That's what we do. Ocho and I take the ingredients that you give us to make an argument. Whatever the ingredients is, that's what we use. to make our argument for.

But we're not going to add anything now. If you say this thing come with two tablespoons, all you're getting is two tablespoons. Yeah. You're not getting, you're not getting anymore. If you say four eggs, whipped, you're getting four eggs. Yeah. If you said flour, that's what you get.

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