Nightcap - Best of WR Talk Part 2: Time to Pay Terry McLaurin + Ocho Top 5 WR All-Time?!

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson get heated over the Washington Commanders still not paying star WR Terry McLaurin. Ocho reacts to making the Top 5 wide receivers of all time fr...om the 2000s! 49:23 - A.J. Brown’s mindset for next season after winning Super Bowl 1:03:04 - Unc and Ocho Command payment for Terry McLaurin 1:12:02 - Top 5 WRs from the 2000s   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:16 the league, we're taught we're playing for this reason. We're playing for the trophy. And once we got the trophy, it was just like, I thought everything would be fulfilled. Like the hard work and everything. But no, it's a journey. It's the journey that matters the most, that means the most. Because those are the moments you look back with your teammates, those are spending time with,
Starting point is 00:01:33 you're going to war with, you're suffering together, you're winning together. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, once you look, I wanted to be a Pro Bowl player. Yeah. I wanted to be you look, I wanted to be a pro bowl player. Yeah. I want to be an all, an all pro player. And I wanted to win a championship.
Starting point is 00:01:51 I ain't think about no hall of fame. I ain't even realized the hall of fame till Mark Kiesler told me in 96, like, man, he's like, bro, you could put together a couple more years. You can, you can go to the hall of fame. I was like, what? I like, they take seven rounds in the hall of fame. He's like, it don't matter what you get drafted in,
Starting point is 00:02:05 they go by production. I was like, okay. That was the first time that I had really even gave a thought. Now, mind you, Ocho, in 91, we played in the Hall of Fame game. I went to that very building that my bust resides in. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:02:18 That's dope. Not even thinking. Man, they never even done. Bro, I'm from Glenville. I'm from Savannah State. Hall of Fame?ville. I'm from Savannah State Hall of Fame. Yeah. And Joe Green in the Hall of Fame. Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach,
Starting point is 00:02:32 the greats are the greats in the Hall of Fame. Legends. Yes, but you realize, and it's not good enough to make one Pro Bowl, because hell anybody can do it once. Yeah. Can you go back when they know you the guy? When they game plan for your ass?
Starting point is 00:02:49 Over and over. Can you get, can you become an All-Pro again when they game plan it for you? Yeah. When you walk to the middle of the field, man, hell of a game, Sean. Man, Ocho A, man, you gave us that work today, Ocho A. Don't worry about it, We'll see your ass again.
Starting point is 00:03:06 Yeah, that's what I want. I want, when y'all go in the meeting on Wednesday, I want y'all to circle to A, that tight end of 84. We gotta deal with him. And I totally agree with AJ, because there's nothing like, that's what you, Ocho, I never missed a game. I missed the bus rides, the plane rides,
Starting point is 00:03:24 the bull jivin' in the locker room, in the training room, jokin'. And you know, meeting room, cracking jokes. That's what you, cause that's what you're never gonna be able to replace. Ever. You never, you never, and you look, you're not besties with everybody,
Starting point is 00:03:38 but you're not gonna be around 10, 11 guys that y'all laughing and joking about. You're never gonna be like that again. It's never gonna be like that again, old Joe. No, it's not. And listen, and just, but what you just talked about, about AJ Brown, I've become a little bit more fond of young Bull, man, as of late, hearing some of the things he's talked about.
Starting point is 00:03:57 I'm not gonna get into detail on it, but his perspective on life and other, and other topics that I've seen him speak on. And, um... but his perspective on life and other topics that I've seen him speak on. And he's becoming a huge, a huge favorite of mine. Not even the receiver, AJ Brown. I'm talking about the human being. The person. The husband, the person he is and values and morals
Starting point is 00:04:20 in which he stands and said, I never knew that about him. I never knew it about him because I've never had the opportunity to interact with him outside of the game of football, but hearing him and where he stands, you know, and his beliefs, though, very, very, very admirable
Starting point is 00:04:38 from the outside looking in on what I thought the individual was like, you know, based on what I see on the field, but then who he truly is off the field. Dude, I love dude, man. I love, he real sharp. He sharp, and he got a sharp mind, man. So, it was a joy to see him in a different light than what I expected based on the football player
Starting point is 00:05:03 that I got to watch on Sundays. Mm-hmm. I remember we won the Super Bowl, and obviously, man, it ain't nothing like it. Like I said, we broke the NFC. The NFC had run 14 straight Super Bowls, Ocho. Yeah. And to win it and to hold that trophy,
Starting point is 00:05:21 to actually be on the field, to have the confetti come down in your colors, and you got the trophy. Now think about how many times I've seen the Super Bowl winning team go on the field and get that trophy, and everybody's looking at it. Now I finally have it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:38 A small kid from Glenville, Georgia, went to Savannah State and seventh round draft pick, and I'm the starting tightie, and they pronounced my name and everything. And everybody in Glenville said, you know what, I know somebody that actually played in the Super Bowl. As a matter of fact, I probably went to school with him, his brother or his sister. That was me.
Starting point is 00:05:54 And winning that trophy there, that was like, that was at that point in time, probably the crowning achievement of my career. And I remember going into the off season and I'm like, cause back then, you know, 16 games, Ocho. And then, you know, we had to still had the two weeks. And so we started playing. I mean, we first week.
Starting point is 00:06:12 So I think, I think the Subo was damn near like the end of January. It wasn't then it didn't bleed into February. And I just remember like the off season Ocho. I was like, man. So I took about an extra week off and got back into it. And I remember when we came back to OTAs and Mike got up in there and he's like,
Starting point is 00:06:34 hey, congratulations guys, I'm proud of this. I'm proud of you guys. He said, if you want to be special, you got to do it again. Yeah. There are a lot of teams that's one in a row. He said, if you want to go, you want to be special, you got to do it again. Yeah. There are a lot of teams that's one in a row. He said, if you want to go, you want to be special, you want to be remembered, we got to go back to back.
Starting point is 00:06:54 And that was the mindset that we adopted. And I remember once to see, we came out, I mean, we had a, we had a great, you know, as a matter of fact, we had a great training camp. Everything was great. We had fun. And Mike would put... Like, most teams have their schedule up, they're all 16 games.
Starting point is 00:07:14 Right. We put one game at a time. He said, this is a 16-round fight, we're going one round at a time. Right. Ring! Boom! Knocked the Patriots out. And so we just going down and just checking them out. Just checking them off. Checking them off. Checking them off. 13 weeks. Because
Starting point is 00:07:31 think about it. We won our last game. Yeah. What our last two games? 97. Yeah. What our last two games in 97? No, last game in 97, beat the Chargers. Then we go through the playoffs, win the Super Bowl, then we come out, so we win like 18 straight games, Ocho. Feeling good. Yeah. Get to the playoffs. But I agree with everything he said.
Starting point is 00:07:59 There's something about that moment, and when I get on the phone and I talk to Burns, or me and Ross, we'll call him Foots, feed some of them them guys and man, we just, hey man, you remember such a sub, we at the back of the plane, Joni. I mean, very few, very few times, Ocho, do we ever talk about the Super Bowl game itself? We're talking about going to the game. We're talking about on the plane ride back, on the bus ride back, very seldom do we mention anything about the Super Bowl itself. We always talk about the plane ride or man, you remember we got, hey, man, we got snowed in
Starting point is 00:08:33 and we had to go get people on snowmobiles to go to Buffalo. We get to Buffalo like 1 32 o'clock in the morning and we got a one o'clock game. Yeah, man, I bet that was so much fun. Ain't nothing like that. Ain't nothing like that. And then when you're in it, Ocho, yeah, you don that was so much fun. Ain't nothing like that. Ain't nothing like that. And then when you're in it, Ocho,
Starting point is 00:08:46 you don't get to enjoy it. You don't, you don't. Cause you're in it and you feel if you enjoy it, it's gonna take you out of that mindset of what you need to do to make sure you try to stay in it. So, man, ain't nothing like that. Hey, AJ Brown said he's also upset about the current haircut price in the country.
Starting point is 00:09:15 Haircut prices are crazy nowadays. I used to pay $20 for a cut. AJ, ain't no more $20 cut. But we, I used to pay five. 250. Hey, but you gotta realize, Ocho, Ain't no more $20. But we, I used to pay five. Two-fifty. Hey, but you gotta realize, Ocho, I'll get haircuts in the 70s. Me and my brother, my grandfather,
Starting point is 00:09:32 get me and my brother, you know, $4, $2 to $5. Yeah, we both of us get a haircut. In college, that's all you're giving your teammate. Man, I wish I would have paid a guy $5 to cut my hair. Boy, you better, please. Boy, times are different, boy. Yeah. Time is different.
Starting point is 00:09:49 Oh, Ocho, look, I ain't got no problem. You know, hey, good $60 for a cut. I'ma go ahead and tip you for it. Ocho, dude, they be wanting 200, 300 to cut me. Man, listen, uh, it's time, listen. Charge $15 for a part. Boy, you know, hey, hold on. You time, listen. Charge $15 for a part. Boy, you know, hey, hold on. You talk about a haircut, $200.
Starting point is 00:10:08 Boy, two steaks at the grocery store? Boy, $43. Yeah. Steak! Well, guess what? How much are they in the restaurant? $70. So at least you got two.
Starting point is 00:10:21 Hey, they got to make their money up some kind of way. They ain't got no choice but to market up. Look, a lot of times what happens, Ocho, is that if Barber's cut athletes, celebrities, and entertainers, they want to live that lifestyle. Bro, you need to just play a sport. You need to act, play an instrument, or dance, sing, or something,
Starting point is 00:10:42 because you not fitting to come up on me. Hey, I grow dreads first. I grow dread, I get twisted. I'm not paying no three-hundred-dollar for no cut. I don't care if I got 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 million. I'm not paying no three-hundred-dollar for no cut, don't you? I'm not! That's a lot.
Starting point is 00:11:03 For just a cut? Listen, that's a lot. Now, what we can say is about our friend not too long ago who's down here in Miami. Now, that kind of service? Yes. I forgot his Instagram name. But for that kind of service, $300, now we talking. We can talk.
Starting point is 00:11:21 Oh, yeah. OK. If you going to cut it, you going gonna cut it, you gonna dye it, you gonna give me a facial. Facial and all, yeah. I got you. Now that I understand. I'm not gonna get that every time.
Starting point is 00:11:32 Right. Not every time, but every so often, you got your nice little date night with your girl. You want to do it. Yeah, yeah. Boom, there you go, now you good. Man, please. Man, you think I'm gonna let you,
Starting point is 00:11:43 you gonna be on my head, cuttin' my hair for 30 minutes and I'm gonna give you good? Man, please. Man, you think I'm gonna let you, you gonna be on my head for, cutting my hair for 30 minutes and I'm gonna give you 300? And then you gonna expect a tip. Tip who? Tip what? I got a tip. Don't eat eggs out of the ride the bus.
Starting point is 00:11:54 That would be a terrible experience for everybody. Man, I ain't got nothing for you, old choc. No. Uh-uh. But, nah, I'm trying to think. AJ, yeah, well, I'm saying, I'm trying to think. AJ, yeah, what I'm saying, I'm trying to think when I played, how much was I playing for a cut?
Starting point is 00:12:11 Yeah, I was playing about 20, 30 dollars. Yeah. Yeah. I played, the dude cut my hair, now he do a good job. I give him a good, I give him a good, hey, I think he like 45, 50, I give him a hundred. Damn, big money, okay. Yeah. Big money. I give him a good, I give him a good, hey, I think he's like 45, 50, I give him a hundred. Damn, big money, okay.
Starting point is 00:12:27 Yeah. Big money. But he, they do a good job of getting me in. Cause like, like when I was in Atlanta, I like all my, I like, I don't like to do, I don't do no walk-ins, I like a standing appointment. So for my nails, my facials, my haircut, my massage, I would pay for the, I would pay for the whole year.
Starting point is 00:12:47 God damn! I'd pay the whole year. Because guess what, Ocho? When I say, hey, I want my time, them will have to move somebody to get me in, as opposed to them moving me to get somebody else in. So you didn't already pay everything out? Yeah, I done paid. I done got back.
Starting point is 00:13:03 Hey, why you, hey. Yeah, I always did that. Hey, you complaining about me owning you 5,200 and you paying for nails, manicures, and haircuts a whole year. They providing the service. What you doing, you taking money out of my pocket. God.
Starting point is 00:13:19 I can't pay them. I told them, I said, I told the barber, I would pay you money, but Ocho owe me 5,900 and I can't pay you. I ain't never heard nobody do that. Boy, you play. Yeah. Hey, Ocho, check this out.
Starting point is 00:13:32 I remember I paid, I had ran out, cause I get like, so I got this package and the lady runs a special on facials, you know, if you go ahead and pay you by 12, cause I get them once a? She'll give you 15. I bought the package, got the job at Fox. I still got some of the books. I have some of the books.
Starting point is 00:14:00 Right. I ain't got them no more. But yeah, but I like that. I like a standing appointment. They know I'm coming got no more. But, yeah, but I like that. I like a steady appointment. They know I'm coming at this time. Hey, when I get my massage? Monday? I should get massages Monday.
Starting point is 00:14:14 No, Wednesday and Friday. That's my massage. Haircut was Thursday. Nails, Thursday. I like that. I like knowing. I like knowing. I like structure. I like a schedule. I like being on a schedule. I think everybody knows that.
Starting point is 00:14:30 And I'm gonna be, hey, I'm gonna be, hey, and I'm gonna be ticked if I come in there and I gotta wait longer than five minutes. Because you know I'm coming. I've already paid you for this time. So, hey, don't be trying to get, hey, I can squeeze you in, come at 2.45 when you know my appointment's at 3. Because I'm gonna feel some type of way. I'm gonna pay you for this time. So don't, hey, don't be trying to get, hey, I can squeeze you in, come at 2.45
Starting point is 00:14:45 when you know my appointment's at three. Cause I'm gonna feel some type of way, I'm gonna be. We previously spoke about the reports that Terry McLaurin is frustrated with the lack of progress on a long-term deal. Well, new reports say that Scary Terry is not attending Commander's mini camp. All these camps now, Ocho, are mandatory.
Starting point is 00:15:03 They are no more voluntary. They're all mandatory. Ocho, how would the situation end? You gonna get that money? You gonna get his money? You know how you see it? Can I tell you how you gonna get his money? I'm gonna tell you. Yeah. I'm gonna tell you how you gonna get his money. How you gonna get it? Shoot, Jaden Daym can go up there. How you gonna get it? Shoot, Jaden Daym can go up there. Hello? Who is it? It's Jaden. I need my number one quarterback. I need my captain.
Starting point is 00:15:31 I'm not sure what you need to do on your end, but I know what I need on my end. I need Scary Terry to get that money so I have that safety net. So I have that individual to throw to, the same one. Pull up the film from last year I don't understand what the problem is I don't know what we mulling around for get him his money I still got two years before I'm up so we're gonna be all right no I'm going but yeah this year next year
Starting point is 00:15:57 after next year I'm gonna come see you too and uh if I got him that increases my value too. Because I know I'm gonna put up big numbers and I see where it's going. So I'm about, I'm trying to get 62. Damn. Oh, I'm trying to get, hold on. I'm trying to get Josh, I'm trying to get Josh Allen number. 62?
Starting point is 00:16:19 Josh Allen would have signed two years. I'm two years after Josh Allen. I'm trying to keep the market going. Okay, okay. How much Josh Allen, how much Josh Allen got fully guaranteed? I'll tell you what, you ain't gotta give me, you ain't gotta give me over 300.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Make it all guaranteed. 300? Josh Allen got 330. How much is fully guaranteed? 250? He got a quarter billion. He got 250 fully guaranteed. Okay.
Starting point is 00:16:53 Boom. That's me. So six years, 330. I don't really care nothing about that. Tell me how much if it floods, if it's snow, if it's a tornado, a rainstorm, I don't care. Tell me what I'm gonna be, what I'm gonna get. So guess what, by that time, Mocho, 275. That could be the going rate, 275.
Starting point is 00:17:19 Hey, so CJ Stroud gonna be in that ballpark too then. CJ Stroud up there after this season. Yeah, absolutely, yes. And you better hope Patrick Mahone don't say, you know what, I'm tired of all these jokers making more than me. Give me my true value. He wouldn't do that. He wouldn't do that.
Starting point is 00:17:36 That's what I'm saying. Yeah, Pat, Pat. You know what I'm saying, he's made it abundantly clear. He's like, he's doing great with money. They've done great by him. And he's like, look, I'm just trying to keep this team together as long as I possibly can, keep his money good players around me,
Starting point is 00:17:48 a la Tom Brady, as I possibly can. Hey, and plus the money that I make off the field can sustain my lifestyle. And it makes up for what he's not gonna make in contracts, as opposed to the other quarterbacks that has taken a huge lump sum. Yeah. I think the thing is, Ojo, when you look at it, my homeboy, he's going to be like Brady. Brady is not the highest paid quarterback. Even though he played the most years, he didn't make the most money. Aaron Rodgers is at 408 million, I think, and then Matthew Stafford's at 391.
Starting point is 00:18:25 Tom Brady way, way on down. I mean, Tom Brady, listen, don't feel sorry for him. He made really good money. But Tom, it became painfully, it became obvious to everybody, the most important thing was rings. It wasn't money. Because Tom realized as a quarterback,
Starting point is 00:18:42 he was gonna be able to make money. Now he's making 35 million, 37 million a year for 10 years. So he good So he said now now look I give y'all something to chase cuz y'all can pass me monetarily I want to see the dude is gonna catch me with these rings who gonna get eight who'll get seven who'll get six Why are we talking about it? I'm already there. I'm in the clubhouse. He said look I've already shot under par. I'm in the clubhouse. He said, look, I've already shot under par. I'm in the clubhouse, come catch me. Dang.
Starting point is 00:19:17 So. God damn. Terrence like, look bro, I done been to the Pro Bowls, I done done done thousand yard seasons. I don't really know what else y'all want me to do. I don't know. I don't know what else I need to do to show you that I'm worth whatever I say I am.
Starting point is 00:19:33 And his situation is different. He's gonna get his money. It's just about being patient and the timing of when it gets done. Miss mini camp, just make sure you're working out. Before the season start, maybe before training camp. You don't want to miss another training camp. You don't want to.
Starting point is 00:19:47 No. No, you don't do that. Don't do that. And I'm sure that the organization understands you're going in a different direction. You're going in a different direction. You had a phenomenal season last year. You got things off to a great start.
Starting point is 00:20:02 Don't F it up. Don't F it up. Don't F it up. Don't piss off the fans. You had a great season in NFC championship last year. Let's keep that momentum and consistency of greatness going forward and changing that culture. Wow. Reports are saying coach wide receiver coach Reggie Wayne,
Starting point is 00:20:24 Reggie Wayne that is. Reggie Wayne is viewed as a possible interim head coach if Shane Steichen struggles to start the season. Ocho? I like it. You don't like it? Now here's the thing, you know they're under, you know, Jim Ursay, rest his soul, Mr. Ursay passed away a month ago.
Starting point is 00:20:45 His three daughters took over. I think his oldest daughter, although they all have roles, she is the majority, she makes the decisions. Because even if it's a family thing, the NFL wants there to be one voice. They want one person to be able to talk. And so she is the, you know, the oldest. And I guess he, you know, put it in a situation where,
Starting point is 00:21:05 okay, you have a this and it's gonna go accordingly. But that'd be very, very interesting because there's one thing like, damn, all of a sudden we're thrust into this and we're running a billion dollar corporation, a multi-billion dollar corporation. It's something entirely different when you got a head coach situation
Starting point is 00:21:26 in your first year. That's not something that, you know, you've been on a job for five, six years, Ocho, you kind of understand it, but your first year, you've got to make that decision. I mean, listen, they've been around the game though. They've been around the game long enough. Yeah, for sure. There's going to be certain decisions that are going to be made that can be somewhat altering business decisions. And that is one of them.
Starting point is 00:21:50 Listen, I'm not sure who made the call or who made the decision when Jeff Saturday got the opportunity. Jim Erce. Jim Erce. So again- He loves his players. He's really close to his players.
Starting point is 00:22:04 I mean- Yeah. So I mean, I think it would He's really close to his players. I mean, yeah. So I mean, I think that I think it would be a great, great opportunity for Reggie. He knows the organization, he knows the fan base. He understands the culture and what, what not only the fans, but what that organization needs to get Indy back to their winning ways. Yeah. But here's the thing, Ocho,
Starting point is 00:22:23 you have to understand, Jim Ursay had a personal relationship with Jeff Saturday. Yes, sir. Even though they're around, they don't have the same type of relationships. They have developed that, and it's different male, female. You know what I'm saying, Ocho?
Starting point is 00:22:38 So going out, Mr. Ursay going out and drinking with Saturday and some of the guys is one thing. That's not what they're gonna do. They're not gonna have that same dynamic as their father had. And so that's what, you know, I don't wish, I don't want Shane Stiken, I don't want him to man to lose his job,
Starting point is 00:22:59 but I mean, this is a situation. They're just saying, they're just throwing stuff up like what if he struggles? Yeah, Shane is going to be okay. Yeah, Shane is going to be okay. Him losing his job is all predicated on how the quarterback play is. Yes.
Starting point is 00:23:15 It's just in the quarterback play is. That's all it comes down to. That's the, I don't want to call it the elephant in the room, but that's the goddamn elephant in the room. How well is a quarterback play gonna play? Because if the quarterback play is bad, he's gonna get you fired. That's what happens.
Starting point is 00:23:31 And sometimes they play just good enough to get themselves, get the coach fired and them cut self-cut. That's where Rich used to tell us, Richard Smelthy was our special teams coach. He said, son, you play just well enough to get me cut and you fired. ML football released their top 10 receivers in the 2000s. Number one, Randy Moss. Number two, T.O. Number three, Marvin Harrison.
Starting point is 00:23:59 Number four, big game, Tory Holt. Number five. The greatest entertainer of all time. Chad, Ocho, Seco, Johnson. Number six, Heinz Ward. Number seven, Steve Smith Sr. Number eight, Reggie Wayne. Number nine, Reverend Ike, Isaac Bruce.
Starting point is 00:24:18 Number 10, Anquan Boulder. Hold on. What year did I. Hold on. What year did I, hold on. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Where's Larry Fitzgerald? Yep, listen. Now, now. Calvin Johnson.
Starting point is 00:24:34 Hold on. Hold on. And there was an argument about this earlier, earlier all day on Twitter, obviously on my timeline because I said, hell, F that. Take me out and put Andre Johnson. Now also I love I love and corner what he did for the game. But at some point Johnson has to be on there somewhere as well. What about Larry Fitzgerald?
Starting point is 00:24:57 He just got the third most catches in football. Larry Fitzgerald has to be there as well. But then people said it's the 2000s. So the 2000s I think Megatron only got maybe three years because I think he came in and, I forgot what year he got drafted. I think he came in, he only had three years of. How many years, how many years was,
Starting point is 00:25:21 how many years was Larry Fitzgerald behind Anquan? Because I think Fitz was like one year behind Anquan. Yeah, it's some mother shit. Derrick Mason should be on there too now. I don't think people understand D-Mace putting some work. Man, where that man Julio Jones at, man? You talking about 2000s though. Julio came-
Starting point is 00:25:44 Anquan was 2003 then. What you saying, Julio wasn't in 2000? No, I think Julio Jones that man? You talking about 2000s though. Julio came- Anquan was 2003 then. What you saying, Julio wasn't in 2000? No, Julio came in 2011. 2011. Him and AJ Green. Yeah. Yeah, I, mm. Yeah, I like it, I like it. I should have been higher though.
Starting point is 00:26:11 I should have, matter of fact, I should. Okay, who are you replacing? You replacing Malz, T.O., Marvin, or Tory Holt? Like, just off entertainment alone, I'm number one. Who you were taking out? I'm gonna put, I just told you. So- You gonna put you in this one?
Starting point is 00:26:34 This is what I'm gonna do. You know when we talk about numerical order, right? Doesn't everything start with zero? No, it starts with one. Okay, but before one is zero. Who, zero is at the bottom, zero is, you ain't zero. You don't want to be zero. All right, I'm gonna be zero. So it's me, then T.O., then Moss, then whatever order you want to do.
Starting point is 00:26:58 You know zero is a negative number, right? Listen, I was gonna have a quick comeback, but I missed it. Oh yeah, I bet you wanna be, so if we, hey, so we gotta take, we gonna take out- Nah, nah, nah, we ain't gonna, hell nah, hell, boy, we ain't taking off your boy. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, That's why I specifically said entertainment and fun value only, I'm at the top. That's it. But that's, hey, that was a good list.
Starting point is 00:27:33 I'm very fortunate after I was, I saw all these guys. I saw all these guys. Randy, T.O., Marvin, played against Randy. I never played against T.O., played against Marvin, played against Hope, played against Ocho. I'm trying to think, was Hans on that? When was Hans on that?
Starting point is 00:27:56 Hans was on that team in 98. Hey, hey. I know he was on that team in 2001. Tell Joe what I did to y'all when we played y'all. That's why I was gonna ask. Nothing, loss. Hold on. I'm feeling, who had the big game?
Starting point is 00:28:08 What I did to y'all when we played y'all. I wasn't there. You was there. You talking about in Baltimore? Yeah, when we played y'all, what I did to you. I think you better have like three, four catches. Come on, man. And how many TDs?
Starting point is 00:28:22 How many catches did Ocho have in 2001? Cause we beat the hell out of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, pull them numbers up, Ash. What? There was no Hyundai, that's for sure. 2001, that was my rookie year. That's okay.
Starting point is 00:28:38 You were there talking like you had two 50s. Yeah, I mean, that was. I bet how much I had, Ash. Ash, Ash, how much I had? What do you have Ash? 55, 60 yards? No, I had about 230. No.
Starting point is 00:28:56 He didn't play in the Baltimore game? Yeah, I did. Yeah. I think you might have caught a touchdown against us in 2002. I sure did. That's what I would do. I can't.'ve caught a touchdown against us in 2002. I sure did. That's what I would do. I catch it.
Starting point is 00:29:08 That was at Denver then, but we beat hell out y'all. Oh, you were gone? Oh Joe, you had seven targets, three catches for 28 yards against us. What'd I have? What'd I have, Ash? Hey, that boy was skating out there, huh? What?
Starting point is 00:29:27 Against Baltimore? Oh Joe, you do realize, oh Joe, you didn't, y'all didn't even score. You didn't? Hold on, I didn't score? It was zero, y'all had zero. What game was this? Again, since you like zeros, y'all had that.
Starting point is 00:29:43 Wait, hold on, hold on, what year this was? 2001. I played? Yep, seven targets, three catches, 28 yards. What'd I have? I know I had me a tub, a sweet tub. What happened to the other five catches? I didn't catch them?
Starting point is 00:29:58 Well, hey, something wrong with y'all. Yeah, cause I, hey, hey, Joe, even- Well, first of all, you had, that was four targets. I mean, cause I said you had seven targets, you had three catches. So it wasn't five, you and math didn't do too good. That was four you didn't catch. No, I ain't dropped no balls now.
Starting point is 00:30:11 That's one thing I do. I ain't dropped the money. I ain't dropped the money. My hands was like glue, you hear me? In a tub. Oh, I scowled? In 2001? Oh, that was 2000.
Starting point is 00:30:25 Oh, I had three targets, three catches, 32 yards. You see the difference? Three targets, three catches. Well, you play, hold on, hold on. You got to understand what defense I was going against. This was the Baltimore Ravens, man. Like I ain't really get y'all scared. No, no, you didn't get the 2000 Ravens defense.
Starting point is 00:30:43 You got the old one defense. It's the same thing. Y'all wasn't missing too many pieces, man, y'all wasn't missing too many pieces now. Y'all wasn't missing too many. Oh, what'd he do the second time? Cause that was the home game I think there. What'd he do? Cause I think he had a touchdown,
Starting point is 00:30:56 he about to have a touchdown the second time we played. Every time I play all them a score now, that's what I'm gonna do. No, you didn't. You had 28 measly yards. You didn't even have the first down to catch. Oh, that's'm gonna do. No, you didn't. You had 28 me's in the yard. You even have the first down. That's my rookie year. They were just introducing me to y'all.
Starting point is 00:31:09 You know when you first meet somebody Joe? Yeah, I know what you mean. They didn't wanna put me out. Oh Joe, the first time y'all played, you had one target, no catches. Yeah, and that's it. Oh, you know what? See, that's my rookie year.
Starting point is 00:31:26 So they didn't really introduce me to y'all. Oh, that was the second time. That was in Cincinnati. We're having that game. What happened? What I did? What I did? Yeah, the first chronological game is this one.
Starting point is 00:31:37 Yeah. Yeah, I had 12 targets, eight catches, 84. You had one target, no catches. You was out there bulljabbing. Hey, what year was that? 2001, the year you asked for. It's my rookie year. What they gotta do with us?
Starting point is 00:31:54 What I did after that though? What I did after that? I don't know, I wasn't there. I was in Denver. Now you want to say what we did in Denver, we played y'all in 2002. What we did in Denver? Yeah, I know, I know.
Starting point is 00:32:05 I know you lost. I didn't know I'd do that. I don't know what the numbers, but you lost. Hey, women numbers look like ass. What I did at Demba? Yeah. I think you caught a touchdown against Demba. I think you caught a touchdown against him.
Starting point is 00:32:16 That's what I do, I catch touchdowns. But we beat y'all. Okay, we talk about from an individual standpoint. I can't control, I can't control the team. No, regular season. We played in 2003? Yeah, yeah, what I did then, what I did then, cause hey, by the time 2003 came, Joe,
Starting point is 00:32:35 like I had fully arrived. Like I was like, I knocked it, so. Okay, what'd he do? Cause that was Carson, I think that was Carson, your Carson was drafted. Yeah, 2003. Hey, what year Carson was drafted. Yeah, I agree. Hey, what year did you change your name though? To Ocho, what'd you do with that?
Starting point is 00:32:49 I forgot, I think maybe 2007. I just wanted to- If he'd have played the Baltimore Ravens in 2000, we'd have made him change it back. Hey, Joe, listen, I changed my name simply for marketing and branding purposes only, that's all. Ocho, you had 10 targets, six catches, 95 yards on a touchdown.
Starting point is 00:33:07 That was me. What happened, what was the score Ash? 30 to 10 was the score Ocho. Boy stop. I was the only one that scored? Yes. And it was late in the game when you scored. It don't matter how long it got in there.
Starting point is 00:33:32 Sometimes, sometimes you got to, when you go on a date, sometimes you know, you get the first base, sometimes you get the second. Yeah, I know what it was because we beat the first base. Hey Joe, I don't want to tell nobody, but we had to call the dogs off. He scored with a minute left in the ball game. They were still throwing. Yeah, but we didn't have no choice but to throw. I don't know what you had. You had a choice.
Starting point is 00:33:55 You had four quarters, and you had time to do something before the end. We beat the Brakes on you. Oh Joe, you still celebrating on that one? No, no, no, no. Listen, one thing I always did, Joe, is I never celebrated, never did a celebration if we were losing, only if we were to tie the game or we scored first or it was to go up.
Starting point is 00:34:14 Yeah, I didn't play like that. Well, you ain't do no celebrating against the teams I was on. Oh Joe. Man, you lucky, listen, you lucky we didn't cross paths like at the same time, like you were on the back end and I was coming in. If I played during your era, like during,
Starting point is 00:34:31 man, I would have sauce y'all ass up, boy. Boy, Ocho, I was like, oh, I'm good for having tubs against Cincinnati. Kevin. You have to understand. You have to understand. We played, what, 2000? Drop 2000? What are we doing 2000?
Starting point is 00:34:49 This before you got there, Ocho. This before you got there. We beat the Braves. You have to understand how bad Cincinnati was back then. You gotta understand that, Joe. That's not fair. So. Well, y'all defense still suspect.
Starting point is 00:35:01 I mean, y'all got some great offensive players with Joe and Chase and Higgins but that defense. Damn. They only had one kiss though. Damn. Oh, my bad Ocho. We beat y'all 37-0 in 2000. I scored twice. I scored twice, I already know that. I don't like that. As a matter of fact, I'm most, Darrell Williams. Hey D-Wheel.
Starting point is 00:35:34 Hey D-Wheel can hit, boy. Not me. He talked me in the end zone. He had to smell the odor though. I'll make a smell the odor Joe. They gonna smell the odor. Got the referee gonna do that. I had my four catches, I had my four catches about 50 yards, two tubs.
Starting point is 00:35:59 Not as instant that in 2000. No, you took about, I'm just the first game. I'm gonna turn down the first game, hit him with like a two yarder. Not in Cincinnati in 2000. No, you took about, I'm just the first game. I'm gonna tell you that the first game hit him with like a two yarder. Yeah, it was bad. Going to the game in Cincinnati. It was bad.
Starting point is 00:36:13 The 37 nothing, that's when they knocked Akili Smith. That's when Rob Burnett hit Akili Smith and knocked him out of the game. Y'all about had like 40 yards that game. The hell you say? I called two touchdowns that game in 2000. I did play. Yeah, it is.
Starting point is 00:36:39 It is in 2000. Yeah. Let me, let me, Lord have mercy. See, I'm saying I try to shortchange me my numbers Joe. I ain't play. That's what I'm gonna know. Uh Ravens. Okay. Well, listen. Get them right, man. Let them know, huh? Yeah. Ed tried to shortchange me.
Starting point is 00:37:17 We beat him 27-7. Oh, I'm looking at progress. That's not a... No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. I'm looking at progress. seven. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Shannon Sharp, Sam for 66, 66 in two touchdowns against who? The Ravens.
Starting point is 00:37:39 I played y'all in 2000. That was, that was when, as a matter of fact, that's when Corey Dillon ran, it's broke the record against the Broncos. He ran for 275, 276, cause the record was Walter Payton, 275, who broke OJ's record like 273. Okay, I was a good frontrunner. Did that? But don't worry about it, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:38:04 Hey. What? Hey, Ocho. Hey. What? Hey, I was that boy, but Joe, you missed it. Saquon Barkley's iconic reverse hurdle is the cover of the Madden NFL 26. I just left Saquon, huh? That's why I'm in Philly. This is the sixth, hold on.
Starting point is 00:38:19 This is the second straight year a running back has been on the cover. Christian McCaffrey being the athlete on Madden NFL 25. That sparked the debate of the infamous Madden curse once more. This is the first time a member of the Jacksonville Jag has been on the cover of a Madden, I'll bet as a person being hurtled.
Starting point is 00:38:39 Damn. Hey, the person getting hurtled, hey, he got to be upset about that, boy, he got to be upset about that boy. He got to be upset about. Oh yeah. He, he, he, he immortalized. He made it like that's like that Jordan push off. Oh Joe, the way the Russell.
Starting point is 00:38:55 Yeah. I want to push off. He just, he just guided him a little bit out of the way. Well he only, he had the, that, that what he guided him. That's the elbow. It is he guided him. That's forever. It is, it is. I just left Steak Kwan. This place?
Starting point is 00:39:08 We were at Gino's Steak House tonight and they turned it into Steak Kwan. Gino's full of cheese steak. It was really, really, really, really dope event. I was able to congratulate Steak Kwan on being the cover athlete. And we talked about the Madden curse. Josh Allen was on the cover. Didn't get hurt. When?
Starting point is 00:39:28 Not too long ago. Josh? Couple of years ago? Yeah, he didn't get hurt. Patrick Mahone was on the cover previously. He didn't get hurt. So I think Saquon is safe. There have been players that have had small injuries, nothing too
Starting point is 00:39:42 stiff where they missed a lot of time. So I think we got to do it with the whole Madden curse thing and Saquon is one that take care of his body, doesn't really get hurt much, he has in the past, but recently he hasn't been hurt. I think he's going to be all right. And I honestly think there's a good chance that they might repeat,
Starting point is 00:40:00 but being that the commanders have gotten better, being that Dallas has gotten better, no, obviously adding George Pickens, from an offensive standpoint, I'm not sure how they would look defensively. I'm excited. I'm excited to see what that NFC West look like. Man, Ocho, y'all was, good God, y'all was terrible.
Starting point is 00:40:22 Ocho, y'all had 174 total yards. They gave you. But what year was that? 2000. That's what they want throwing me the ball. You wasn't even there. Oh, yeah, I wasn't there yet. You better be glad you weren't there. If I was, the outcome would have been different.
Starting point is 00:40:42 I can tell you that. No, it wasn't. You used to be out there raising hell when that ball don't come your way. I think I might have maybe two instances like that. One, it was a playoff game. We were playing the Steelers. When Carson went down, I was very frustrated.
Starting point is 00:40:58 So you have to get your production from somewhere when a quarterback of that magnitude, the playbook changes significantly when the second quarterback comes in so at that point now I'm feeling put me in positions to make up for not having him in Right and we weren't able to do that because we were playing the Steelers and the Steelers that year that oh five year that D that defense Joe. Oh my god So I just wanted to be, I wanted them to stop allowing them to dictate
Starting point is 00:41:28 what we want to do. Let's dictate. Right. Y'all will go do nothing. So outside of that, I was really frustrated, Joe. That was one time and it was another time. Oh, same game. Joe, I got mad in the same game.
Starting point is 00:41:44 We're... Was that the one you was I got mad in the same game. We're... Well, that was the one you was acting a fool in, in the locker room? Yeah, that's what I just told you. Yeah, hey, Joe, boy, I was hot. See, now I could have said something. See, I knew about this, but I ain't putting it out there, Joe. Cause that time I was on CBS,
Starting point is 00:41:59 and the word, it came back to me. We got to say, you know what? I'm not one of those, I don't have any problems, you know, like the ball not coming, I be chilling, Joe. Just that game, the magnitude of the game, and you allowing them to dictate to us what we want to do. You thought y'all was going to the Super Bowl house. Yes, I promise you.
Starting point is 00:42:21 Hey Joe, all I needed was the ball, Joe, just put him in the hand, Joe. And listen, I wasn't one of those guys that catching 120 and 130 passes a season. 90, do you give me three or four balls a game? I'm good, cause two of them, oh, I'm finna get jiggy. I'm finna get jiggy. I don't need a whole bunch of catches.
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