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Episode Date: September 12, 2025

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today ocho because of them we are here today and we get to bring this radio row to our audience who normally wouldn't have an opportunity to see us in this type of environment so thank you again netflix thank you again fountain blue and all the sponsors that's possible for the canelo crawford radio row we have a ton ton of guests rolling through this is early you know how it is a lot of these people are very very famous and a lot of these people come on their schedule they don't come on our schedule so what we might have tenderly scheduled for say 1215 1230 1245 it might be 1 1 15 115 1 30 but they will be here today we have some outstanding guests on the card tonight coming through to talk to us about this fight um jim gray who's a good friend of mine who's covered the sport of boxing for 40 plus

years he's going to come here and going to tell us about what he expects from this fight the buzz that's been generated from this fight because this is one of the bigger fights that we've seen in a very long time we see Bud Crawford going up two weight classes to take on Canelo the undisputed champ at 168 so I'm excited about this listen I'm very excited it's one of the biggest

biggest draws one of the biggest gates since Pacquiao and Mayweather so I'm excited the buzz around the fight the promotion around the fight where Turkey Ali has been able to do in making boxing great again creating fights that people want to see I'm excited for the fight. Bud going up two-way classes.

Obviously, I'm kind of nervous. I'm kind of nervous. Being realistic, understanding the game of boxing, understanding the sweet science, they have weight classes for a reason. But if there's anybody that can make history and has a mentality to do so and the skill set is Bud Crawford.

I think Bud is looking at it from this standpoint. He's saying, finally, I don't have to strip down. Bud probably walks around at 180, 185. And he's stripping down the way. 147. He said, nah, I ain't got to screw up down but to 168. Yes. So I'm going to have more strength. I'm going to have more power. I'm not going to be in a weakened state come fight night. Yes. The thing that, you know, that you have to respect most about Floyd Mayweather, the people

like, well, Floyd, Florida is a naturally small man. Flood was dropping five pounds. Floyd walk around weight is 155, he dropping down to 147. So Floyd, also, he trained year round. He didn't allow his weight to fluctuate so much. So what you saw Floyd, for the most part, was his natural weight. So he was able to fight basically his whole career 140, 147. He did go up to a junior middleweight 154 to challenge Oscar De La Jolla, but for the most part, Florida is a naturally small man. But as a big guy, people don't realize if you were to see him in person.

You got to get up on him. You got to get up on him. If you were to see him in person, then you'll have a better understanding that he's not at 147. No. He fights at that, but he could have fought most of his career at junior middleweight or maybe even middleweight at 160. Yeah, absolutely.

But I think the thing is, for me, Ocho, is that seeing Bud really only have one fight at 54. So basically, this is a three-weight jump. He fought most of his career at 147, so he jumps 54, he jumps 60, go lands at 168. Where for the most part, Canello has fought his entire career at this weight. He fought Floyd at, well, I think fought Florida at 54, but he's been a 60, 68 fighter for the better part of his career. And the question that everybody has, and I think it's naturally so. Bud is saying I didn't have to strip it all the way down to the bones to make 47. Right.

So I feel, I feel stronger. I feel that I'm going to have my, still have my quickness. And everybody keeps asking me, how is, how am I going to take a punch? How are they going to take my stuff? I'm, you got to realize there's two people in this ring, now. I understand that. But also, Bud has to realize. We talk about Canello.

Canello is fought Triple G. Mm-hmm. He's fought Bevall. He's fought punchers. Now, the thing that most people are worried about is him going up to weight classes and having to deal with the power. But Conello, Canello sits on every punch. Right.

And the timing, if it can time it, because in order for Conello to punch, he has to sit. Yes. He has to sit. He's not one that's throw power without sitting. Exactly. And he sits and he telegraphs almost every punch. Right.

And he punches with intent to hurt. Right. Every time. Right. So a bud can pick and choose when they engage, win the box, box smart. Obviously, he has a great, great ring IQ. I think he's going to be okay.

He's going to have to out box Canello. Yes. No slug fest No no no ego I can sit here No no no no You gotta fight smart That's why Floyd

Now he was younger When he fought Floyd But Floyd was able to time Everything that he threw Come came back Yes And Floyd And Floyd already knew

Where the punches Were coming from So you're trying to sit down On punches and hit on Floyd Floyd's like I got something for you That's how buddy's gonna have to fight And buddy's gonna have to look to counter Everything

knowing that the punches are a little slower When you sit down Because they're not as fast Like you said He got power He got down He's looking to turn the lights out of the building. He wants to put on a performance because people are like, man, Canelo, you know,

Canelo is just fighting these guys and he's fighting these guys that are past their prime and that you look at his resume, you're like, yeah, but look at the guy he's already, he had lost three of his last four fights. He was 36 years of age when he fought with Canello. So Canello is probably going to look out here to make a statement. Because if he beats Crawford, he's going to say, what are you going to say now? Yeah. people are going to look

when you're great at something people are going to nitpick yeah people are going to say well you fought Crawford he was 38 you didn't fight Crawford at 30 you didn't fight Crawford at 30 you didn't fight Crawford at 30 so you're going to find something to nitpick they did the same thing with Floyd

they said well Floyd look at who Floyd beat but look at when he fought him he fought him when they wanted to fight and so I think it's going to be the same thing with Canello but I'm expecting an outstanding fight yeah absolutely you know the one thing I do know he's not going to back down.

No, absolutely not. He's not going to back. So sometimes, don't you have to swallow your prize and look here. I'm trying to win the fight. Are you trying to win the fight or you're trying to prove a point? Yeah. Because if you're trying to prove a point, I don't think sitting in the pocket and going toe-to-to-toe with Canello

is not the way to do it. I mean, the common sense, common sense and understanding. Obviously, going up two-way classes, they have weight classes for a reason. For those of you who watch boxing, who understand the speech science, you have to outsmart him. Yes. Technically, Conello is one of the most gifts. whether it's offensively or defensively.

His defense is great, and his defense at times is his offense, and offensively he can be a juggernaut when he sits on punches. Bud, ego aside, pride aside, he has to put on a boxing clinic sooner to what Mayweather was able to do. Even though their skill sets are different, he has to out boxing. Go back and look at when Ali fought Foreman in the rumble in the jungle. He didn't sit in the pocket. He let him tie himself out, and then boom.

Look at Sugar Ray when he fought Hagler. at 160. He's like, no, I'm not sitting in the pocket, bro. Hey, he flurried the last 15, 20 seconds,

crowd going crazy to judge. Like, oh, I think Sugar Ray won that round. Huh? Yeah. That's how you're going to have to fight. You don't, look, prove the point by,

look, I took this fight, I moved up two weight classes. I thought somebody that somebody had a low weight didn't think I could beat. Right. And so now here I am doing what many thought I couldn't do.

So at the end of the day, if they raise your hand victorious, that's all that matter. Nobody is going to remember how. They're just going to remember, man. Ooh, man, Bud B. Canelo. Made history. And he moved up two classes to get it done.

So you have to be excited, ecstatic about that. I'm excited about this. Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. Jim. Jim. Come on. We have Jim Gray.

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Jim, you've covered a sport of boxing 40 years. By being conservative 50. 1977. What is that? 48 years. I love it. My first interview was Muhammad Ali. I was a videotape editor. What was that like? I've watched the clips. He was so savvy with his wordplay. What was that like in person? So it opened all the doors for all it is for me. I was a videotape editor. They were converting from film to videotape.

Now we have all this digital, so people don't even know what film was. And I was at the ABC Bureau in Denver. And all the guys in the union who were with the film, they took the buyout. They took the union buyout. So they hired a bunch of young people. Yes, sir. I was 17 years old. Wow. So I was editing, I was in my booth at 7 a.m. editing the Broncos with Red Miller getting ready for the draft. And Ali was coming to town.

He was going to fight Leon Spinks, and he was going to fight La Al-Azado in an exhibition. Okay, at Mile High Stadium, their stadium back at the time. So they came running at seven. Ali's two out and a half hours early. You know something about Sports Go interview him. I was dressed like this. No sport going on.

I had a T-shirt, ran out to Stapleton, International Airport, interviewed Ali, he gave me 45 minutes. Wow. Came back. First question I asked him, he said, you're doing this interview? You don't even shave. Well, the whole entourage was there, Bundini, and everybody was there, and everybody started to laugh, so it relaxed me.

He started to laugh. After the fourth question, he gave me the nicest compliment I ever had. He said, you sound like the local Howard CoSell. So anyway, I took it back, make a long story short. I was editing myself out. They weren't going to put me on ABC. They weren't going to put me on. Right.

So the head of the bureau walked in there. His name was Roger Ogden. He didn't even know my name. He said, I want to see this Ali tape. He stayed in there for an hour and a half. Yeah. An hour and a half. He got up and he said, you and this videotape are going on the air.

It's barely adequate. So when I got into the Boxing Hall of Fame several years ago in the Basketball Hall of Fame, I said somehow barely adequate ended up here. That's dope. That's dope. But what happened was, so Ali did the interview. And back in those days, ABC was connected underground by the firefighter. to all the stations.

There was a man named Frank Reynolds, who was World News Tonight, before Peter Jennings and Ted Cople. David Muir does it now, but he sat in that chair. He saw this go across on ABCDEF. DEF was daily electronic feed. So they put it on the ABC DEF.

He saw it, he took it down, he put it on World News tonight. Ali having a good time with a 17-year-old kid. Oh, that's dope. And Ali saw it in Houston on the next stop of his press tour, and he saw it a good time. So then Ali had me come and interview him

before and after all the rest of his fights. And it opened all the doors. That's how you got the relationship with Muhammad. It opened all the doors everywhere. And then he let me do his last interview that he ever did in public on ESPN. We took Mary Louretton, who revolutionized sports for the women. Ray Leonard, who patterned his whole life after Ali. Carl Lewis, who was still the most decorated track and field Olympian with nine gold medals.

And we went the night before Michael Phelps, we went up to. Stanford. We went the night before Michael Phelps left for the Greece Olympics in 2004, he'd never won a medal. We bet on him. And we did an interview, the five of us, America's greatest living Olympians. And at the end of it, Ali's last words, we had a torch flown

in from Athens, just like Ali lit the torch in 96 in Atlanta. We had the torch in. Ali got up out of his chair, handed the torch to Michael Phelps. He said, I'm the greatest, you're the latest. It's up to you. Go win all those medals. That's those. 2004. That was, if I'm not saying, that was

Phelps's first Olympics. His first Olympics was Sydney. Sydney, okay, yeah. He finished fifth. He didn't win any medals. And then he went ahead and won all those medals. Beijing was the record. Yeah.

Then he kept going to London and then Rio, finished up. As long as you've been doing boxing, has there ever been a boxer that has been more media savvy, more creative, more charismatic as Ali? Have you seen anything even close? There hasn't been a person on the planet, Ocho, not a person on the planet. like this this was the most first of all he was so accomplished yes and he was excellent okay so then he had that ability to connect with everybody and it didn't matter whether it was the chairman of the board of the janitor he had time for everybody I've never saw Muhammad in a hurry and I got to go all over with him and he looked you in the eye and he cared he cared he wasn't

it wasn't a one-way exchange and he he had self-awareness so he knew what he meant when he was talking to you. And it meant something to him. Right. So, no, you know, him and him and Nelson Mandela, the most remarkable people I've ever met and been around. And obviously, I didn't know President Mandela, but I got to interview him, but Muhammad Ali being around him was just total joy.

And Lonnie, I mean, just the whole, everything about him. Jim, you mentioned that the accomplishments, and he was a great amateur, and he goes to in 60 in Rome. He wins the gold medal. And then was that 63 that he beat Sunny Liston? year was that he beat since 19 you have well when he shocked the world and then he had the rematch yes 64

yeah and so when you you think Lewis and Maine was the second one Miami the first yeah Louisston May yes when he would like he would literally tell you what he was going to do he would go do it people like how he's so and it turned some people

off because we like a athlete's humble he was far from that far from it well he had he had a lot of detractors Did you know his stance against the Vietnam War? He was vindicated by the Supreme Court, but he wasn't vindicated by the public until they found out all the information later. So the stand that he took was very, very unpopular. In fact, we have the Hall of Excellence, and Shannon, thank you so much for coming.

Tom Brady and I opened a museum here in the Fountain Blue Hotel. And we have his gloves from George Savalio. And the reasons those gloves are so important, he wasn't given a license to fight in America. He had to go to Canada to fight George Savalio. And he called it his toughest fight ever, and he won the fight. But Ali stood up. He had a social conscience. He stood up for black America.

He stood up for all of America. And he stood up for those who couldn't speak. And he had a voice, and he was braggadocious. Yes. And, you know, now we don't even think about it with social media. Everybody's saying everything all the time. But his words meant something, all these other words right now, I want to say they're meaningless because we can't put people's words into that category.

right but they don't have the same effect as it had back then correct the funny thing back then is ali did it um and jim he did it at the time when it was frowned upon where you're not supposed to have that kind of freedom where you're not supposed to have that kind of platform let alone power or voice that's so anytime ali says something and he had such a way with words he had such a way with words and being able to put things together and it was i don't even know how to put it in the words because i haven't seen anything like it that's why i asked you the question he was so good at what he did and he was self-aware.

That's the only thing I could say. That's the only other word I can think. He was so self-aware. You know what you can't? It was a smack down in the 60s. That's the smackdown in the heart of the civil rights movement. Yep. But you know what else?

And you guys notice? Yes. What's the one thing you can't replace in life? And that's likeability. Yeah. Okay? When you were in front of him, you couldn't help but like him. You may have hated everything you stood for him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. But when you were with him, you were smiling, you were laughing, you were educated, you were all those things, entertained, entertained, inspired. everything that you want so you couldn't you couldn't help but have respect right because you had to pay attention and and when you know you're likable okay you're likable i don't know yeah i don't you can't put your finger on why you either you are you are if you're not you're phony yes okay

that doesn't mean everybody in life who's not you know but i mean there's there's that it factor or whatever it is you know you smile yes there's shannon yeah okay i'm not and i'm not comparing him to Ali, but I'm just saying, likeability is very important. Exactly. It's probably the most important thing. You know when you're great, when you're more popular in death than you ever were in life, you look at Ali, you look at Dr. King, you look at Malcolm X, you look at Abe Lincoln, you look at some of these great figures, and you, they were not, at the time they were living, they were never what they became in death. It's an interesting concept. You know, Nelson

Mandela got to go over and spend time with him and interview him. You know, he was a boxer? Did you know that? I did not know that. You know, yes, and you know why they put him in the quarry? They wanted to ruin his vocations. They wanted to wreck his hands, so they put him in the quarry. But he was a big fight fan, and anyway, he had a fight over there in South Africa. And he got to spend time with him. The great Larry King

introduced me to him, and took me to meet him and got to spend. And, you know, he said that Maya Angelou wrote something for his speech on reconciliation, which is the most simplistically brilliant thing I'd ever heard. He said, people will forget what you say and people will forget what you do, but no one will ever forget the way you make them feel. When you were with Ali, you felt better about you and better about him.

Think about that. Yeah. How many people you walk away from in life today that when you leave him, you say, that sure feels good. Yeah. Jim, this fight, you've been around some great fights. I mean, Sugar Ray and Marvin Hagler and the Tyson era,

when there's nothing like a heavyweight fight. Do you notice the buzz with Canello Crawford? Is this what boxing kind of needed? It needed it bad. The institution needs this. The best fighting the best. Okay, yes, they're not both at the same weight, and Bud's taking a risk coming up.

He's also getting well compensated, and he feels that the risk is worth the reward, and the reward will be great if he can pull this off. But it needs this. Yes, we need the best fighting the best, and we don't have that so often. you know, promoters and all these folks who get involved in this, you know, they've been provincial for whatever the reason.

And they've stayed true to their guys who they promote on their networks where they have licensing deals. This has crossed all of these lines. It's on Netflix. The whole world can tune this in. Yes. The millions upon millions here. And it's going to be over at the Legion Stadium where the Raiders play.

In an NFL stadium, it's going to be the biggest crowd in the history of Nevada to watch a fight. And look who's fought here. Ali's fought here. Holmes has fought here. Hagler's fodder, Hearns, Mayweather, Pachial, Tyson, the great Mike Tyson. I mean, so when you look at what this is, yes, the institution needs this. The institution has been suffering. And now you've got Dana White and Turkey, and they're putting together this fight.

And by doing this, you know, it's bringing people to see the best. We can't assess what the fight is afterward. We can't say it's one of the great fights of all time until we see it. Exactly. So we don't know that. I mean, I did a fight over here at Mandalay Bay. Greatest fight I ever saw, Castillo Corrales. Oh, yeah.

There were 5,100 people there. And they play that back now on YouTube and all over when we were back at Showtime. It's the greatest fight ever. Corolla had no business with it. Nobody thought that before. So we can't say what this is going to be until, you know, until Saturday night at midnight. So do you think the resurgence of the sport of boxing is happening now because of Turkey's interest in the sport now

and being able to make some of the great fights that we, myself, a huge boxing fan. You think him being interested in boxing is allowed now boxers wanting to take that chance, and most of them not taking a chance because they don't want that zero. Nobody wants to lose. It certainly helped a lot. But, you know, the zero doesn't define you. How many games did the Philadelphia Eagles lose last year? Right.

How many? I don't know. What was it? Four or five? I can't remember. We can't even remember. Right. Okay?

This isn't, you know, boxing should not have been. And Floyd ruined this sport. Floyd Mayweather ruined this sport. I don't mean that personally. No, he didn't. I love him personally, and I love his accomplishments and his achievements, and he was great to me. It was great to showtime. And I'm friends with him to this day, and I admire and respect him.

But he ruined the sport because the only thing that mattered was the zero. Yes. Okay. And so what did that do to all of these other fighters? Everyone else worried about the zero. But we do that too, though, because if a guy lose a fight, we throw him to the wayside. Now, Jim. Well, it's not the NCAA tournament.

It shouldn't be that. I know. Look at when Duran and Hagler and Hernes and Leonard and all these guys fighting each other all the time. But we didn't, we didn't criticize them when they lost. When Sugar Ray lost to Duran, we didn't criticize it. When Hearns lost to Leonard, we didn't criticize it. When Hagler lost, we didn't criticize it.

These guys lose now. If you're going to criticize them, if Tank Davis was going to do that. Because I've been following the fight. I'm old enough to remember the 80s when they had the four horsemen and they fought the best, fought the best. It wasn't no ducking and dodging. In the 70s, the heavyweight, Norton fault. Forman fought.

We didn't get mad at Frazier when Foreman beat him? No, three times. No, no. Forman fought Ali three times. No, no, Frazier fought Ali three times. Foreman and Fraser fought once. That was enough. Yes. Hey, damn, here went through the road. That was it. I'll tell you, but we didn't diminish what

Joe had accomplished more what he could do in a future. No, no, we did not. But why do we do that, Jim? Jim, you've been around this thing for 45 decades. I'm not sure where all that turned, and I'm not sure why. I can't pinpoint it, and I don't really mean to blame Floyd, but Floyd. No, no, no, Florida's great. Floyd fault.

But think about where the zeros have only mattered in a career. Think about that. 16, whatever, 14 and 0, then 17 to know Don Shulah and the Miami Dolphin. Okay, so then they, that defined their lives. Yeah. Okay? Not that he was the greatest coach in the history, 347 wins.

Right. It was the undefeated season. It was so maybe it was 72. Bobby Knight. He's the last one, 76, in 1976 when it went undefeated. The Hoosiers. But you know who never defined, I don't want to interrupt you. Go ahead.

You know who never defined himself by winning? Or never mentioned the word win once? Never once mentioned the word win to his team. John Wooden. Wow. And he won, what do you have? Three undefeated seasons and 10 national championships and Bill Walton and Kareem and all these guys. Jamal Wilkes came through.

I think the difference is, is the era boxing that you're talking, the air boxing that you started out, you think about the era of boxing that we're in now. I think fighters are scared to take the chances because it ruins being the A side. Having a loss or one or maybe two or maybe three, it ruins your purse, which you're able to command. So I think it's the financial reasons

on why they don't want to take those chances. And I think, again, where Turkey coming into the game now, Dana White being a part and all the different sponsors and advertisers, I think more boxes are going to be willing to take chances against opponents that are just as skilled, that are not as flawed, and you're not fighting inferior opponents anymore, and you're giving the people the fans, fights we really want to see. I really want to see Shakur Stevenson and T.F.O. Lopez. Absolutely.

I really want to see that. Well, you know, here's what it is. It needs a model that can work. The other model hasn't worked. If the other model worked, we'd still be on Showtime. HBO would still be in the game. ESPN wouldn't have gotten out of top rank. Right.

You know, we wouldn't have what we have. And so it needs a drastic shift to get to a place where we can see it. And what happens when this doesn't work, we don't have people coming up in the pipeline. Right. Like, because they can't get exposed. So if you don't know any of these people fighting, why would you go buy a ticket? Yeah, true. So it needs this.

And so it's at the right time. And, you know, and by the way, there's been disruption in everything. Look at the disruption in television and streaming and podcasts and radio. Everything kind of moving to digitally. I mean, just look at how everything has changed. So boxing has to go with it. Yes. And it hasn't.

And now the time may be right. I hope so. Speaking of great fight, speaking of boxing, there's a great fight coming up that I want to make sure that you're there to announce. Unk I'm fighting on behalf of us and I want to know your thoughts on Jim I want to fight Andre Ward

10 rounds 10 rounds 3 minute rounds what do you think is going to happen Wait before you say anything Did you get to wear your helmet? No no no no I'm not wearing my helmet But I'm going to beat his ass What's the problem here? He has a punchable face

Oh my goodness So I just want to know how you think that fight's going to turn out Six months of training. We're going to fight here in Vegas. It's a very famous saying. Yeah. I'm on your show, so I want to be a good guest. You don't play boxing.

No, you don't. So you can't play boxing. You can play football. Yeah, you can play football. Yeah, yeah. You don't play boxing. No, you don't. You don't.

I understand that. I think this one through. Yeah, I did. I did. I taught. Jim, let me ask you this. If Crawford were to pull this off, where would you rank this as far as upsets in the world of boxing?

Wow, that's a good one. that's a very good one well it's not buster douglas because the man's 41 and oh okay so it's not buster douglas against mike tyson so it doesn't go up into that we thought was it's not rocky baoboa okay some guy we never heard of we

we know but crawford and we know he's great okay um you know perhaps it's holyfield over tyson wow perhaps it's holy field over tyson the first fight yes not the earbiting yes because I don't think anybody saw that coming no no and holyfield was an accomplished

fighter who'd done great. You know, cruiserweight champion and so forth. And, you know, so that might be a good comparison. What do you think of that one? What about Roy Ruiz? Roy moving up from 68 to, and he ended up weighing at 193, gained 25 pounds. He took the heavyweight title from John Ruiz. I'm trying to think of guys that have moved up.

But Ruiz wasn't in the Canelo. Nah, not even close. What do you think of, yeah. Right. He won one booty beat. Right. Deonté? Yeah. Or wherever he had beaten, Joshua. Yeah.

Be Cheshua. What about Spinks over Ali? Well, that was huge. That was big. I'm over there to room with that. Again, that was a guy who had very little fights. Yes. And, you know, he was an Olympic champion.

And so there was hope for him. Yes. And but, but, but Crawford is, Bud Crawford is, is huge. But he's not in the, he's not in the Leon Spinks category. No, no, no, no. I mean, moving up and wait, look, it's tough. And Canello found that out against Bevo.

Yes. You know, look, he thought he was going to pick a fight that he was going to win. Yeah. All right. And the guy was bigger and stronger, and he had a better night. Yeah. And so that's a hard, but I kind of like Holyfield overtised because Holyfield was accomplished. Right.

Yeah. Handicapped this. What do you think? You think it goes to distance? You think somebody ends it? Well, nobody's gone down, so I don't know what would cause. I don't see how Bud Crawford can hurt Canello. Wow.

I just don't see it. He might outbox him. And he might outpoint him, and he might do all of those things. But it's hard to see Canello going down to Bud Crawford, a smaller guy. Right. Now, the interesting thing about this is Bud's three years older, but he's only fought half as many rounds. So he has, so, so Canello has so much more experience, but he's also been punished more. Yes.

He's taken on. And if you look back over the past seven years, you know, Canello's, you know, who's he beat? But then you can look at Bud and you can say, who's he fought? He fought Arrow Spence after he flipped his car 19 times, and he was damaged. And this isn't to take away, because they're only fighting

the people who are in front of you. Right. Right. And so that you... Yeah, we love to see, we rewind the hands of time and put a prime sugar ray, a prime mormar, you know, herds and all those derailed, but that ain't happening. You got to fight who's in your era. And the era of fighters that we had

in the 80s in that division, in that class, it's just not there anymore. See, we let the other one bake too long. Floyd against Pachial. That was the last big fight that we had, really, in Las Vegas. You could say, you know, look, Wilder and Fury, I don't know how Deontay Wilder, he hit that guy. I still don't know how Fury got up. That was Frank is time.

But that guy got up somehow. I mean, Jack Reese helped. Jack Reese literally, like, counted the 23. You're supposed to be a 10-count. I mean, come on. Who are you? Who am I? where are we

where does your dad what car does your dad drive I mean what are you asking all these questions you walk in the back of me either can get up a tent or you can either you can fight or you can so Jack Reese I was terrible Jack Reese did a terrible job that night

but accomplished official accomplished referee but that was bad but you could argue that that was you know there was some compelling to that but we really haven't had anything quite since Pacquiao and Mayweather and unfortunately that it just took too long and then Paciard had a bad shoulder

and Floyd won the fight. Is that why we're getting all these exhibitions now? Because boxing is missing, and we want those guys to be able to fight again, and so we're willing to pay, we're willing to watch them way past their prime, a 61, 60-year-old Mike Tyson against a 40-plus-year-old Floyd Mayweather, or we get a Jake Paul fighting a Tank Davis.

Is that why we're seeing what we're seeing now, Jim? You know, I'm always for you guys. I'm always for the athlete. Yeah. So I don't, I don't get into all of that. I mean, Jake Paul has brought people to the television set that wouldn't normally come. Correct. Now, he's becoming a better boxer, I guess.

Yes. You know, I did his first fight when Tyson fought Roy Jones during COVID. You know, that was, and Mike put on a great performance against Roy Jones. And, you know, that was a terrific exhibition for a guy. I think he was 55 at the time, Mike. And so that was cool. And then Jake came on the scene that night. he knocked out Nate Robinson.

Yeah. And, you know, he's tried to enhance his growth, but he's fighting a bunch of people that, you know, aren't really, you know, in the genre of, you know, he's fighting MMA guys and UFC guys and so on and so forth. And now his next fight is against Tank. I mean, there's what, it's 8, 70 pounds. I mean, Georgia didn't even know if they're going to license it. I don't know.

You know, we don't know what's going to happen with all of this. So I guess it's good that he brings folks that he wouldn't bring. so they get exposed to boxing. But on the other hand, you know, this is what the game is. You know, the guys who've dedicated themselves to the sport. And, again, I'm not against anybody doing anything for their livelihood. So if Mike wants to fight, I hope he doesn't get hurt. And I'm going to say this about Jake Paul.

I didn't know this, but Jake Paul had tremendous humanity. he could have hurt Mike, and he backed off. He could have hurt him. And he had the decency and humanity not to. All right. So you heard it here first. What? Jim said it's okay to beat up Andre Ward.

Okay. You need the money. You need to fight. We're going to be here to support you. You need to prove something. Go ahead, prove it. But guess what? They gave you a helmet for a reason.

Jim, thanks for joining us, man. Appreciate it, Jim. Thank you for being on. I always good to be with you. Broadcaster. Thank you so much for joining us, Jim. Thank you. Hey, this is Matt Jones.

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Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. All right now, our next guest coming to the stage right now. Here he is. He's all the way. He's walking to the stage as we speak. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen. I'm going to fight him too. Oh, you want to fight him?

I'm whoop his ass, chat. Kayla playing, ladies and gentlemen. I'm here. What's up, bro? You good? Bro, thank you for doing. Tar. I got to sit besides, you're going to come through?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. Hey, Tom, you want to fight? Uh-huh? All right, let me go. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we have Caleb Plegg joining us. Caleb, how you doing, man? Man, doing well.

Appreciate y'all having me on. Appreciate you coming by. Obviously, we got Canelo Crawford. We got Crawford moving up two-way classes. He's only had one fight at 54, so basically it's a three-weight class jump because he's going from basically 47, skip 54, skip 60, going to 68. What is your expectations in this fight? Because everybody's like, can Bud take a punch when he feels Canello's power?

Will he retreat or will he try to send something back? How do you think this thing plays out? Well, I think it's going to be a good fight. I don't think it's going to be a snoozer. I don't think, you know, and if, If we were to take a guess at who would allow it to be a snoozer, we'd have to guess Terrence because he's in the lower weight class. If he gets hit, he's just going to get on his bike.

Right. And that's just not in Terrence's DNA, you know? No. If he feels his power and thinks, man, I'm going to have to land something big or he's going to land something big. One of us has got to go. Right. Terrence is the type of guy who will go out on his shield respectfully

because that's just the type of person there's. And there's no amount, there's no stage that will, you know, that he'll change course for me. doing that. You know what I'm saying? So I think it's going to be a great fight. We thought we're going to get that type of fight with Charlo. And it seems like when Charlo felt Canelo's power, all of a sudden he's

like, no, no. But knowing Bud, watching Bud fight, that's not Buzz mentality. Bud is going to push forward. Now, I don't recommend standing in the pocket. Bud can box. And I think in order for him to win this fight, I don't believe

he can beat him in a slug fest. I believe I believe he's going to have to outpoint him. What's your you? I think that the thing about Terrence is he can fight left-handed, right-handed, and just as importantly, he can fight a long range, he can fight a mid-range, and he can fight a close range. And, you know, what do I know, right? But I think it would be wise of Terrence that he's either going to be boxed on the outside

or he needs to be all the way inside. He doesn't need to be in between. He doesn't need to be at mid-range. And when he's on inside, he can some other, but he doesn't just have to do that. He can fight on the inside. He can box on the inside. He can take angles on the inside. But he needs to be close.

So he needs to be all the way in or all the way out. And that's just my, you know, two cents on that. But at the same time, you know, there's a saying for a reason, and it's that there are weight classes for a reason. You know what I mean? And as you spoke to, Terrence only fighting once at 154 against Madramov, which he won. and now moving up two more, but spending most of his career at 47 and 40 and 35. But with the greatness that he's accomplished and how great he is and how great, it's like, where do you draw the line in the sand on the tipping point?

Right, right. And that's what I'm excited to see. If you could write the perfect story with it coming to an end and your control of that ending, where you are right now in your boxing career and everything that you've accomplished, what else do you have left that you want to achieve in that story? I think, you know, I think children give us new perspective. You know what I mean? Yeah.

And I got a, congrats, by the way. I'm a daddy of three, got, you know, two here with me. And, you know, I think it's important that we show our children that even if we stumble, even if we fall, no reason to stay down you know you got to get up you got to just yourself back off and you got to keep going regardless of what social media or the world or your best friend is telling you you know you you owe it to yourself and so just for me to add to my legacy of accomplishing what I can whether that's another world title or you know there's big fights out there for me that don't even where a title is not even involved right you know and so uh I'd love to be a part of those big

fights, you know, put more money in my bank account don't hurt neither. You know what I'm saying? But money's not my continuing reason, you know what I mean? It's about showing my kids and my children what you can do if you put your mind to it. Right. Do you think that addition in the resurgence of Turkey Ali, interest in boxing, has changed the landscape of it, allowing some of the great fighters to take chances fighting other great fighters. Yeah, I mean, if he's trying to bring it together as a whole and one, where there's not other companies, is that what you're speaking to? Yeah, in a sense, in a sense, boxing fans, like myself,

it was very difficult for us to get the fights that we wanted to see. So many fighters weren't willing to take chances. They don't want to, they don't want to take any, take to zero yeah but turkey's not gonna be able to change those fighters minds you don't think so it's up to the fighter right to the side that I may lose my oh right but me proving how great I think I am is more important than that right and um I did that before turkey got here and not that turkey's not a great thing for boxing right right but I'm just saying him coming along doesn't necessarily mean that he's going to be able to change everybody's mind yet he

didn't change Terrence Crawford's mind because Terrence has been doing that. He didn't change Usick's mind because Usick's been one to do that. You know what I mean? Yes, sir. And so I like that. I like what you said. Yeah. Chad, listen to what he said. Greatness is not tied to a zero. See, people have tied

boxes. A lot of boxes have tied greatness to undefeated. Sugar Ray Leonard and Hearns and Hagler and Ali and Foreman and Frazier. They fought the best because I believe I'm great. Yeah. Whatever happens, I believe I'm great. And if you think you can beat me, then let's get out there and roll the nice and see. Let's prove it. Yeah. And, you know, not all, there's fights before, let's say

before Turkey came along, there's fights that haven't gotten made. Some of those may be because of powers that be, but I can assure you that a lot of it is because there's certain fighters that don't want to get in there and be proven wrong. Right. And they're only going to fight fighters who they know they can prove themselves right against. But that's not, that's not great Right. That's the witness protection program. Take about it. It's like, you know what?

I can fight somebody that really challenge me. And there's a chance I can lose. And I can lose. I can make $20 billion. Or I can fight this guy. I know I can beat you made $12. Give me that $12. Yeah.

Give it that $12. And in the meantime, I'll continue to grow my brand as a fighter, my personal brand. You know what I mean? And by the time I do lose, I've made $300 million. I'm cool. Just walk away. Do you think one of the reasons that fighters don't want to take a chance of having a zero? You think it affects them being the A-side, affects their purse,

affects the kind of money they're able to command when it comes to, you know, big-name fights? Yeah, there's fighters out there. Like, for instance, you know, I lost my last fight. I'm still one of the most popular fighters in boxing, right? But you're a draw. You're a draw. But I'm not saying my team is doing this to me. By no means am I saying that.

But I'm saying there's other people out there who work in boxing who will tell a fighter, We'll try to convince him otherwise. Oh, you lost, so you're not a big draw. So now we're going to pay you this instead of that. When you do put asses in seats. And then again, I'm not talking about me personally, but there's people out there who try to convince fighters otherwise. So that's one reason they try to play it safe.

Okay. Is there a fight out there that you won't? That ain't a fight, man. Yeah, it is? Is it? Yeah, why not? Get the people what they want. Add to chat.

That's what they want to see. the plan versus ocho that's what they want yeah you don't think so i ain't heard it i ain't heard it but you he listening for it i mean hey we can make it happen he said we i train i no i train i train i'm saying i tell him we train together ran his ass out the gym on day one out the gym on day one yeah yeah i just i'm just i you got to go in camp in different camp so I can I can so you take a little something no but that's something that I respect about Ocho is you know like he's accomplished everything and done everything that he has in his

respective field and then for him to come over to such a dangerous treacherous sport and really care about the fighters it really come be a part of our camps and not just talk about it but get out there and I've seen him do real work with fighters I've seen him sparrow fighters I've seen him you know hit the bag and a lot of us were in positions where that's like the only way we could even stay alive. Right. But it's the same for him.

You know what I'm trying to say? It's like I can appreciate someone who can come from a different field and not have to be a part of boxing. And he doesn't have to do that, but he's out there doing it. And he's in the trenches. He's been in the trenches with us. Yeah. Taking his series.

Yeah. But he still stands no chance. Zero. No. I'm going to fight Andre Ward. Yeah? Yeah. No, he's going to say what?

You're not on my side? I didn't say that. I'll keep my comment. Okay. What was you about to say? This fight, Canelo Crawford, this is, you know, a fight that people really want to see. And we haven't had a whole lot of those, Caleb. Is that why you think we're seeing a lot more of the exhibitions?

I asked Jim Gray this earlier. We're starting to see a lot more exhibition than guys making $10, $15, $20 million doing exhibition. So you might have to go in there to exhibition. Would you get in there with Jake Paul? Yeah, I mean, that wouldn't be fair. But you kill Jake Paul, man. No, I do want to say something about Jake, though. He's bringing eyes.

It's similar somewhat to me talking about Ocho, you know. Everything he's accomplished, everything he's done, all the money he's made, and then for him to step into a sport like boxing and put that work in with people like Coach Wade and Jay Leon and all them guys, he doesn't have to do that. And I thought, man, he lost to Tommy Fury. Like, we about to find out if he really wants to do this or not, or if he was just riding the wave, and sure enough, he stuck around. And, you know, he doesn't have amateur experience, so he is using some of these guys to gain that experience as he steps up.

But, you know, you do have to tip your hat to a guy like that. Right. But if you, your fight, so this is the biggest fight we've had in a while, and we don't get big fights like we used to. We used to get big fights down there every other month, at least two to three times a year. This might be the, this is the biggest fight that we've had in 25. So who would you like to fight that, you know, it's like, okay, man, we're going to come out, man, we need to see this. We need to see this, we need to see this is what we need to, this is what we need to tune in for. Yeah, I think, uh, me and Berlanga, you know, that's a fight that I've been calling for.

You know, I think me and Charlo, you know, that's another fight that people have been calling for. Yeah, yeah, I like that. Wait, what do Charlo? Jamal. Jamal. Jamal. Yeah, 160, and now he's moved up to 68 and belt or no belt, you know, that's a big fight because it's the fighters. who make the fights big.

Correct. But a lot of times people say, well, if I ain't fighting for the belt, why the hell am I fighting? You find it be great. You're fighting for legacy. And, you know, my dad used to say people like, legacy or money.

The legacy fights are the big money fights. Is this a legacy fight? How much money you think is attached to this fight? All my biggest fights, all my legacy fights have been my biggest money fights. You can get both, but they try to frame it like, legacy of money right you can get one you can get both in the same night yeah i mean if you go back

and if you look at all the historically what we think are great fighters from sugar ray robinson to Muhammad ali to uh uh sugar ray Leonard Armstrong with whoever they lost burgo duran got about what 16 losses yes he does he he he went he went up duran went like 85 and o and then he started he started losing but when you look at it though uh Caleb, when you look at these guys is that the old has become so prevalent. And Floyd, and so not everybody thinks

they're going to be Floyd Mayweather. Even if you retire undefeated, people are not going to look at you like they look at Floyd Mayweather. And not to mention you missing up right off the rip if you're trying to be somebody else. Because guarantee, you know, you guys probably had influences and guys you looked up to in the NFL

but you weren't trying to be there. No, no. You were trying to be Sharon Sharks. You were trying to be Ocho Cinco. Yes. And if you, you know, spent your whole career trying to be this guy, trying to be that guy, we wouldn't even be talking right now. Correct. You're right. Yeah. You'd be making me a hamburger right now.

Ain't that right? So you won't plan. We can put this together. I can kind of have my people call this people. We can put, we can put a five round. Not five. That's disrespectful. I've been doing this for six years now.

He can't even count to five. Ten. You want ten, right? Okay, we do ten, two-minute rounds. Nah, 10, that's disrespectful to the sport. Look, we'll do one minute round, three minute rest for you. No, I don't need no rest. I ain't stopped training since we trained here in Vegas.

I still be going, yeah. I'm on year six now. So what weight we're going to fight at? How much you wait? We get catch weight. What you weigh? Right now? Yeah.

Like 2.30? You lie. No, I am. You lie. Feel my arm. You got a string hanging from his shirt. Oh, that's your arm. I thought a string hanging from his shirt.

We do We do 68. 68. He can't get that. I mean, he won 85. He might only do 75. Can you come to what? Can you do it?

Can you meet him in the middle? I'm 205. No way he can make a 68 with a knocking like that. No, he ain't making no 68. I wouldn't make that. 75. He might do, he probably about 88 now, so he might can come to 75. I'm 205.

He ain't going to 60. I knew you 1.30. You're 205. No, I'm going to focus on Andre Ward. I'm focusing on Ward. You won't even make it to me, brother. So if you have to handicap this fight, it goes to distance, somebody ending it.

I mean, so we go into the scorecards. How does this thing play out? Man. He got out boxing. That's it. He's going to have to be all the way in, be all the way out, be smart. not not exchanged in the mid-range too much and um it's hard to say you know for me like i always

give the boring answer or we're just going to have to see but when you have two great fighters in there you can guess what you think might happen but that's really all it is at the end of the day right you know what i'm saying it's uh terence had a fight like that before with somebody no one could guess that things were going to go down like that right right you may him and spence you know what you can guess but you know a broken clock's right twice a day right yeah i think it's best that we just let the fighters get in there and show us what it you know what it is i like the question that everybody ask can he take his power once he feels his power will he retreat canello i mean when the last time canello stopped somebody it's but and people are like well can kennelho stop

somebody but normally canello is fighting people at 68 he's fighting people you know 68 or above When he fought Bobo. But now he's fighting a much smaller man, and he feels that he can sit down even more on those punches. And does he try? Yeah. Like, I can really, really make a name for myself if I get bud up out of here. Yeah.

And there's a chance of that happening. I think that's why I saw everyone's intriguing. Now, isn't going to happen? We don't know. Now, another thing is, you know, Kennella's got a great chin. He's been hurt by Miguel Kodas' brother, like 15 years ago, but he hasn't been rocked much since then I was out to say that Canello can't clip

I mean Crawford can't clip Canelo yeah he can but we also have to remember even though Canello is the harder puncher it's not in boxing it's not about who's the harder puncher it's about who lands the harder punch right in timing yeah

you know what I mean he had some he has some battles with Galufkin yeah he didn't go down from some of those shots that Triple G hit it with yeah I still don't know. And, you know, even like Berling is saying, he hits harder than Canelo. But when they fought, he didn't land the harder punch. Right.

Right. Right. You know what I mean? And landing the harder punch takes time and distance, rhythm, IQ, you know, trap set up. So just because you hit harder. Walk somebody into something, move it in the direction, and you catch him clean. It's a shot that you not expect it. Anthony Durrell hits harder than me, right?

Right. Yeah. Oh. So. Okay, LePlayer, ladies and gentlemen, he'd say, hey, you're going to have to watch this fight to find out who wins, but he'd say he can take Ocho. Easy word. Easy word. Two-minute rounds. Ten, two-minute rounds. Five, two-minute rounds. Very good to see you back.

Yes, sir. Two-thirty my ass. You going to feel it? No. I'm a shot. Mark. What you're about 75? 180

he's about 65 he's he 195 now I'm 205 come on you're like you ready oh yeah I'm in shape like you're ready to

you're going to challenge him to the run club huh you're supposed to challenge him to the run oh yeah I could go no we got a run club in LA I could do

okay next weekend and we got one at the end of October here in Las Vegas It's a couple of days before Complex Con. How many miles? It's 5K, 3.1. That's good. At our own pace.

It's for the community, brother. I like that. Yeah. I'll come. All right. I'm going to hit you up. Oh, I'm so glad you here. You have a revenge tour leather jacket?

The vest? Yeah. You like that, huh? I text you. Can I have it? I want to wear it to the fight. Revenge store, baby. Plug it in.

What is it? Revenge store. I'm going to get you right. No, I'm serious. I want to wear it to the fight if I can. I'll pay for it. Okay. All right.

Actually, I only got one. The rest of them are not in the city. Okay. All right, I'll wait. Like not so Saturday. They don't get here in time. But I'll have you one before the end of the year. All right, I got you.

Yeah, on me. On me. Appreciate you, bro. No, no, no, no. I'm paying. I'm paying. I'm paying. Okay.

Thank you. Appreciate it. For a real. What Tarva? That was Kayla playing, ladies and gentlemen. Ocho, I don't think you're going to make it. What Tarva? you see him

oh yeah he had the table over there I'm intrigued I'm excited Caleb plan says look he needs to be all the way out or all the way in nothing mid-range nothing that that he can find himself on the end of a punch

that Canello is set down on yes sir there's something to be said Canello is the bigger man he's used to fighting at this weight I think the thing is that fighting 12, 3-minute rounds at that weight. Walking around at 168 is one thing.

Being in a fight where you have to mentally focus in, which burns a lot of energy. You've got to move, which burns energy. You've got to throw punches, which burns energy. Those are some of the questions that we're not going to be able to find out until Saturday night. Yeah, yeah, until it happens. Like Caleb said, you know, we can speculate,

Well, I think this or I think that. But at the end of the day, we're not going to know until team, round one, round two. Well, hopefully it goes far enough so we can see how this thing plays out. And the funny thing, too, about the fight is Canello. I'm sure he's watched film on Crawford. Crawford is watched film on Conello. And you can watch as much as you want. And you get in there to be completely different, round by round.

Nothing is ever the same. I think the biggest thing is what Bud told us. He says, I don't, I watch. tape, but I do realize this, that guy's not going to fight me like he fought them, because those guys he were fighting isn't me. Canelo knows Bud is not going to

fight him like he fought those other guys because those guys aren't him. He's never fought somebody. Okay, when they go into the ring on Saturday night, Canelo might be 190. Yeah. Connolly probably walks around at 195,

200, that's possible. That's possible. But a fighter style doesn't change. No, no, no. Even though you have a different opponent in front of you, tendencies, movement, all that stuff still stayed the same. Whatever skill set you have, it doesn't miraculously change the opponent to opponent. No, that doesn't. But how I'm going to fight that opponent is based on the... And you do know styles make fights.

Yes. I mean, you look, you fighting a guy that's big. Now all of a sudden, you're going up against a DB, and he don't got feet. Well, you know, you're going to round him up all day long. You understand what kind of is. little DB out there that's 170 pounds, they're like, man, I'm going to do, I would do whatever I want to do with you. I might get physical with

you. I might do whatever, because I can't. I can't. You can't do anything about it, yes. But a guy that's big and rangy and physical, you're doing everything you can not to let him put his hands on you. Yeah. Because that's the one thing that advantage that he has. If he touches you, now, you're

not like Julio, Julio, Brandon Marshall, uh, uh, T.O. Yes. They wanted the guy, because they wanted to do this. Yes, yeah, yeah. You, I'm dancing. You're not putting your hands on me.

Right, right. But it's going to be a very intriguing fight. It's going to be a very, very interesting fight, and I'm anxious to see how this thing plays out. One thing I do know, Bud is going to be, Bud is in shape. Yeah. Bud is Bud.

And I'm anxious to see. He's like, look, I've been fighting all my life. I've been hit before, and that's the whole point of it. The likelihood of you going into a. fight and not get hit. Only Roy Jones has only been in a fight one time. That's only in CompuBox era that's ever had a fight and didn't get hit. Yeah. But the likelihood

if you're getting involved in a fight, and that's the thing that makes fighting so interesting. Yeah. Because anything can happen. Anything. You get clipped. It changes. It changes the whole trajectory of that fight. Everybody has a puncher's chance. Yes.

Yes. And everybody, everybody has an idea or a plan of how things are going to play out. But this is going to play out like this. But they're what happens if early on it's not going to your way can you still relax yeah and adjust so that's what's going to be interesting it's going to be interesting to see uh we're waiting on tarb uh he's he's finishing up over there he's going to join us here shortly uh it's going to be it because here's a guy that that fought at tarva fought at six i think starver broke in his

68 end up going at like wouldn't the light heavy so it's going to be very in to see how this thing plays how it shapes up but I the buzz you're starting to feel the electricity of of a fight of this magnitude yeah um you know I don't know if you came to the uh the Spence Crawford fight did you come to the Spence Crawford I saw that it was crazy huh yeah yeah but people had wanted that right people people people had wanted to see uh because you know hey 47 spence was what was great at 47 um bud So we got two great fighters going lock and horn. Right.

That's what we, that's what we want to see. I love what Caleb Plant said is that sometimes greatness is not about a zero. It's about putting, it's about legacy. It's about fighting the best to prove. Right. Because you don't know. Yeah. You won't know until you get in there.

Until you get in there. But again, his mentality is a little different. He's taking those chances. Yes. He stepped in with Benavides. He stepped in with a Canelo. Yes. other fighters at 168

or 154, whatever it may be, they don't want to fight great on great. They just don't. And then they look at it. Man, look at, I ain't lost. Bro, but you ain't really fault nobody. Yeah. I mean, we don't, we don't hold it against Ali. We don't hold it against Foreman.

We don't hold it against Sugar Ray. Tommy Hurts, Marvin Hagler, Roberta Duran. We don't. We don't hold that against. But you have to understand. Their era of boxing is different. That's like we talk about football. football was different back in the days when those guys you just mentioned a fight yeah the mindset was different this era completely different area of boxing money with that level of money has to become involved that's why you don't see guys playing the preseason that's why they changed the training camp

rudo show money so much money has become involved yes now you're like I'm not taking any unnecessary risk yeah with my players yeah and so it's going to be very interesting to see Hold on. Oh, he's taking a pull. It's, uh, oh, he get ready to go to 520. Um, but I'm, I'm, I'm geeked. I'm pumped for this fight. I wish more guys.

I would like to see Shakur and Tiofimo Lopez. I like to see Shakur and Taint. Okay, yeah. Listen, what I don't want to do, though, as much as I, I want to see the great fights, I don't want the great fights to happen too soon. Because if the great fights happen too soon, then there's nothing to look forward to. I want to see Geron, drawn boots in us, and Virgil Ortiz. At some point, I think a fight in that magnitude is going to happen.

That's box office stuff, and I have no problem with fighters continue to build their resume, so people want to see those big fights. Oh, these guys, then they're primed. What we're waiting for? I mean, if Tank and Shakur fight right now, then what's next after the fight's over? Hey, who else is in that division? I mean, that, that's going to have that kind of draw. Like, that's the cream of the crop when it comes to draws. Think about when Sugar Ray fought Tommy Hearns in 81.

Oh, that's 81. We're in 2025, baby. But I'm saying they fought early, and they fought, and they kept fighting. They fought, then here come to rain. Here come Marvin Hagler. So a one, two, and three. Yes. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

But also, you have to understand the timing and when they fight. Right. To where you can maximize your purse, too. yes so but it's it's it's a chest match i think that's what that's what guys are doing they're maximizing the purse yes yes uh they're taking they're not guys are unwilling to take a risk yeah yeah you're willing to take a risk and uh if you're not willing to take a risk it's it's it's i don't know why you i don't know why you got in the sport then because they need that zero. I need to feed my family. I need to feed my family. I need to take care of

myself. I'm going to take care of my wife, my kids. I can't have a zero because if I have a zero, I mean, if I have an L, one loss or two losses, then I can't command the kind of money I won't to. I won't be the A side. I won't be able to pick and choose who I want to fight, when I want to fight. All that changes, once you lose, unless you are a draw. There are certain people win or loss, you're a draw. Yes. The people just want to see you fight. Less like Tyson. Yeah.

Even after he got beat by Buster Douglas, people still was paying, he was still getting $25, $30,000 a fight. Yes, yeah. When he lost the Holyfield the first time, guess what? Even after he lost the Holy Field and he got suspended. Yeah. They still paid big time money to see him fight Lennox Lewis. Yeah.

Absolutely. You know who else is a draw like that? Who that? Agent Brono. When Brono was losing. Yeah. He was still a draw. He was going to put, hey, he's going to put butts in the seat.

Whether you like him or not, chat, chat, whether you like him or not, Adrian Brunner will put butts in his seats. Yeah. It's exciting. For one, he's going to lead you with the talk. Yeah. You never know what's going to happen

because it's unpredictable. Yes. So, I mean, it is what it is. I hope my young bull gets himself together, man, and get back in the rings. Well, that's, where they got empty over there, I thought that was, I thought that was somebody was getting out to start throwing some bowls.

but uh so today is what today thursday yeah so we two you know 48 50 but basically 60 hours away 60 hours from the fight i'm excited so it's been it's interesting basically it's like the super bowl it's like all the work all the training camp all that's all that's done oh so now yeah now look hey get off your feet You know, you're relaxing. You're like, you're monitoring your weight. Yeah. You're monitoring your calves that you're putting in.

The way end's going to be, what? The way in is going to be Friday. You're going to the way in? The way it's going to be here, aren't there? Oh, is it here? I don't know. I don't think it's going to be at allegiance. It might be an allegiance.

Because it's too many people come to the way in for it to be here. Yeah, true. It'll probably be an allegiance. probably be an egregious stadium that's going to be nice I know that that's probably such a tedious process too once you come out of camp

like a week maybe a week before the fight you tone everything down and you're relaxing yes that got to be tedious you got to watch what you eat you know you can't you know you're drinking you got how much water you're in for because they probably load up probably like and then all of a sudden they just

they gradually take it down take it down yeah that's why you know You know, they're not doing a whole lot of talking. Yeah. They just, now you just, it's that mental focus of getting ready, you know. You're trying to play this thing out in your head of what's going to actually happen. You know, the trap I can possibly spring here.

I know where, I know where he's trying to lead me. Yeah. And that's the thing. I mean, because you constantly, you can't have one slip up. One slip up and it turns the lights out of a bit. Yeah. Yeah. That's it.

You got to be on your peas and your cues for basically. You've got to be sharp. Yeah, the whole time. And the thing, you're thinking one thing, and he might be trying to walk you into the trap. Yeah. And you know what the funny thing is, too, what I love about boxing,

if you pay attention and you understand what fighters are doing when you're watching, is you can set a trap in the first round, and it really won't try to execute it to round four. Yep. I love it. Canelo has some tricks that he's a savvy veteran. He has some tricks that he does.

I'm hoping Bud doesn't fall for it, always stay up in a high guard. because the first thing people do is when some of the stuff that Canelo does, he had thought it out there. Because the first thing you do is you flinch, the opposite way, in which that goes. Right. Just those things, they're going to be trying to faint. Yeah.

Bud is an outstanding boxer. Yeah. Bud has power. And when Bud gets you in trouble. Yeah. Oh, he, he sees blood in trouble. He see blood in the water? And we saw that with Spence, but Spence is a smaller man.

Can he get Canelo in trouble? And if he gets Cannello in trouble, can he pull the plug and turn the power out? Hey, I'm thinking about some of the bigger fighters. Triple G. Triple G hit him with some shots. I still don't know. It was like Rock him, Sock and Robot. Man, I thought, you remember Rock him soccer, Rock?

Yeah, hold on, Bavall hit him with some shots when he went up to 175, and he didn't go down. Nope. He didn't go down, and he's a much more powerful man, a much bigger man. But here's the thing. They can't put shots together like Crawford Hake. No, no, no, no, no. So that's the thing.

In the process of hitting him, now maybe then he doesn't pack, maybe Bud doesn't pack the punch. Right. But instead of one shot, what if he laying? three or four or four. Yeah. But then also you think about someone landing three or four shots on Canelo whose defense is elite, whose head move is elite, even though he's not swift with his footwork, but he's great defensively. Right. Very great. So it's going to be interesting. I mean, you hadn't seen a whole lot of people put three, four shots together on Canelo. Because if you go

back and look at Floyd, when Floyd was catching and Floyd was one, two. One two, yeah, that's it. And I'm like, one, two out. Because the thing is, you know, if you hang too long, you're going to get bit. Yeah, yeah. So, hey, let me throw this one, two, move out of harm's way. Yeah. I'm excited. I think everybody's excited to see this.

There's been a while since we've had something of this magnitude. And then, guess what? And we back tonight, Ocho, we, you know, we got nightcap tonight. Oh, yeah, we got, we got, we got, commanders packers? Yes. That's going to be a really good game. That's going to be a really good game. That's going to be a really game.

A really good game. Really good game. Do we have any? But if you, and plus, Ocho, the question that I have, Bud really hadn't fought, but, like, Bud fought, he fought Spence in July of 23. Yeah. He fought this other fighter.

So he's only fought twice in two years. years. Yeah, but I think for someone like Bud, a fight a year is good. A fight a year is good. I would think, depending on us, unless you're trying to stay, unless you're trying to do tune-ups, continuously tune-ups until you get a big fight, not that much damage. No, no, not.

At this point, now, Bud is beyond tune-ups. Yeah. But when Bud fight, it has to mean something. It has to make sense. It needs to be a huge payday. or there needs to be a title attached to it. And he's looking at it. I'm looking at guys, he's looking at guys 47.

Yeah. Who am I going to fight in 47? I'm not going down to 40 because, you know, Tank and Shakur and boots and roads. Come on, man. Yeah. And they're not coming up to 147 to see me. And I don't even know if Bud wants to be at 147 anymore.

He might want to step to 54. But ain't no money. Who is that 54? No money. Where in 54? Well, it ain't no money. There's some fighters at 154, but not the purse. But here's the thing.

Who is he going to fight? Because he just ain't going to just fight some. What's up, baby? Antonio Tarva. I'm going to beat his ass, too. What's up? I'm looking for extribution, bro. I think we're good.

You good. Hey, Ocho, we're announcing this shit right now. Yeah. We're going to now in right now. 10, two minute round. Hey. That's what you need to need a minute. Three minutes, three minutes.

Three. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no. Listen, he doesn't show me too much. I used to train for Tom, too. Yeah. I train with everybody. That's how I'm going to work with you.

Yeah. Hey, appreciate you. That's how I know I'm with you. Okay. You see right here. My man, I appreciate you. Appreciate you. Yeah, yeah.

What's up, baby? Man, I'm just doing them back. You feel me on that desk. I'm excited, bro. Two of the best fighters in the game today, none. Yes. Undisputed, pound for pound.

This is it. Yes. You feel me? Man, I'm expecting to unexpected. Yeah? Really? I'm expecting the unexpected, bro. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

I'm expecting to unexpected. Talk me through how you expect the unexpected, because we know what Canelo can do. Baud is coming up to weight classes. They have weight classes for a reason. Right. You know I understand the game based on what you told me, the work we've put in the past few years. So I got a better understanding of it. Why are they weight classes?

Yep. Why do you expect the unexpected? skills, technique, all that. I think it trumps the weight. I have a question. I think it trumps the weight. We've seen Canelo get out class in a boxing clinic, offensively and defensively when he fought Floyd Mayweather.

Yes, yes. That's a different kind of skill. I haven't seen any skill like that. The closest thing I've seen to that, no disrespect to Bud, is Shakur Stevenson. Right. Okay. Defensively and offensively.

Okay. Do you think Bud has a type of skill set to be able to get in there with someone that 168 and be able to pull off something similar to what Mayweather did to Conello

even though their style of fighting is different yeah yeah he's the two-fisted monster bro

that's the thing you don't know if he's south or orthodox he's knocking you out with right and left yes he's a natural

Southport but he got power in the right in both hands and that's so unique bro I was a hell of a South Park

but everybody knew it was in my left Can you imagine if I had them worrying about the right, too? Right. So I think that is something that Canello hasn't experienced before, you know? Right. And Terrence can punch. Now, he's not, he don't weigh as much as Canelo.

Right. But the way he looked, could he possibly be stronger than Canello? Because we know he cocked strong anyway. Yeah. Anyway, he's wrestling with you, remember? You feel me? Yes. So once you feel that innate strength, bro, you know it's something.

different. There's something different about Cross. Also, you think about what Canello's been through. You think of some of the wars Canelo's been through. He's fought a ball. Long career since 14, 15 years old, professional. Right.

But then you think about the puncher power that Bud might possess, can't even hurt Cannello? Based on what we've seen when he fought Triple G, based on what we've seen when he put a ball, who pieced him up over and over and over, even with his slickness that he wants

with his deep, he was still getting hit, hitting flush. And we've never seen Canello get defeated like that. It seemed like he was outmatched trying to go away. class. So do you really think Bud has the power

to really affect someone to that side who's been through some wars already with Triple G and Vovol? If he can't hurt Canelo, it's going to be hard to beat him. It's going to be hard to beat him. If he can't keep him off. If he can't get his respect. Okay. You've got to get this man respect in the first three rounds. It's going to be

nightmares anyway. Coming forward. Right. You've got to give him something to think about, Shannon. Because if you don't, you ain't going to be able to stop him. You feel? Me? Now, if Canello is having success to the body early, that spells trouble for Crawford. Because that body don't work. You hit them early in the first round.

You're going to start feeling that in the round three and four. You heard me. But when you start feeling it, bro, you can be in the best shape. But the body shots will take your conditioning away from them. But see, now you've got to be disciplined to do that. Right. And I think if Conello is having success to the body, that favors Connello. Right.

If Crawford is making them miss and making him pay, that favors Crawford. Now, now we got to see what how it's going to play out. Yes, sir. With that being said, basically, the formula to Bud winning this fight is basically just outboxing Canelo. Matador and the bull. Bingo. Matador and the bull all day. Yeah.

Yeah. Caleb Plans says, look, he can fight two styles. He can be all the way in or he can be all the way out. But stay away from the mid-range. Because the mid-range, you don't want to be on the end of one of those punches where he's set down. Canello sits down on his punches because he's trying to get you up. out of them. Yeah, yeah.

But I don't know if he's fought somebody that can put punches together like Bud can. That's what I'm saying. Right. And that's been a while ago. That's been a while ago. But Bud can put punches together and Bud got power. He got power.

We don't know if he has power to knock somebody that's 168. That's a natural 168. I believe what, Conno probably walks around at 195, 200. He strips it down to 168. But he's a walk around man at 195, 200. Wow. Here's another thing. Bud is a big bud stripped down to 147.

Back there, we could call him a weight bullet knocker. We know he was killing himself to make weight. Yes. Look at his legs now. Yes. You feel me? I think he might be in his more comfortable weight. I do, too.

What I told people when I see Floyd, they said, man, Florida, I say Florida is a naturally small man. Yeah. Floyd losing five pounds to make $1.47. He worked 50 to begin with. He can make weight in two days. Because Floyd, train, year-round, and he's not a naturally big man. So he didn't allow himself to fluctuate, to go from 147, and then two days later, he was 705.

Floyd was a naturally small man, so he never had to kill himself to make weight. Now, I agree with you. I don't believe Bud is having to kill himself to make this 168. He's coming down from 190 to go to 168 is a whole different thing from 190 to 145. Right, yeah, night and day. Oh, yeah. Caleb, like I said, Caleb said, stay on the outside,

stay either all the way in, in the pocket. Smother the punches. Smother the punches. Be at a distance. All the way on the outside, yeah, yeah. Nothing mid-range. If you were in Crawford's Corner, after the first round, you see how this thing,

because it's going to be interesting because everybody can have an idea of how it's going to play out. But you won't know. Obviously, you want to fill each other out. But after that first round, you have a pretty good indication of how this thing's going to go.

Right. What would you tell? If you were in Bud's corner, what would you tell him? It's important that we're going to have to make Conello miss. I'm coming on my defense. I ain't running, but I'm using my defense, making them miss and making him pay if I can. But it's important that he don't get greedy. Yes.

Get yours and get on out of there. Pick and choose. You can't stay too long because this boy got popped. And stay off the goddamn ropes. They got to stay off the rope. Oh, yeah. We can't see him on the ropes at all. No.

Now, Canello do a lot of good work in the center of the ring. Everybody think he's just a pressure fighting. No. But look at how he set that upper cup up against Mungia. Yeah. And then he knocked Berlanga down with that left hook. He's quick, bro. And so you can't let him line you up with one shot.

That's one thing Crawford ain't going to be able to do. He got to see everything coming and anticipate everything coming. Don't get set with one of them traps that was. Because he's sitting down. And the thing is, like, when you watch, I've watched great defensive fighters. And Crawford got good defense. I'm not saying he's Sweet Pete Whitaker. I'm not saying he Floyd Mayweather.

But guys would throw a punch, and Florida's already moving, and he's already doing this because he knows he's going to miss him. And you're coming back with him. And I'm out of here on back. That's what Bud's going to have to do. But Connell don't really piece together. He's not three, four, five punch guys. Right.

He's sitting down on what? He's trying to get one or two. One or two. Yes. Yes. It's a hard one or two. Oh, they hurt. He's trying to break everything.

Every punch is with intent. The question is that Tarb walking around at a weight is one thing. Yeah. Being mentally sharp takes conditioning. Moving takes conditioning. Throwing punches, take conditioning. The question is, is Bud going to be able to sustain that for 12 rounds if necessary?

He can if he's not getting touched to the body. You feel me? You don't have to protect yourself from the body shots, bro. Because that's going to take your conditioning. Now, if you can't move, it's problems. Yeah.

It's problems. So if you see Canello going successfully to the body early, that spells trouble for Crawford. So you say he can't be on the road. He can't be in the center of ring. So he basically got to get into the ring. I mean, his advantage is

in the center of the ring. He got to give him angles. But, yeah. Don't run. but give him angles, make him miss, make him turn into you. That's the matter doing the bull. Turn into you. Run it into something.

There it go. Because we thought this, man, we thought this with Charlo. And then Charlo felt that power. And that still got to happen. He's still going to have to feel that power and accept the fact, hey, I'm going to have to go through this. Yes. But if that changed your game plan,

advantage Canelo. But no, hey, when you were the little kid, your mom, your grandma told you that was hot. You didn't believe it. You took it out. Okay, I learned my lesson. Now, you said he filled that power one time. He still got to believe.

That ain't hot. Yeah. That's just my figuring of my imagination. Right. Because if Canello makes him make, and Bud's not wired like that. No. But I tell you what. He ain't going to show nothing.

He'll show that. Bud, he'll have to knock Bud out because Bud won't walk. Some guys you can make quit and some guys you got to knock out. Bud, one of them guys, you got to knock out. He ain't going to turn it down. He won't turn it down. He's not wired like that. Yeah, the funny thing about it, when I think about the fight as well,

Bud has to stay active. There are rounds that Canello takes off. Five, five, six, five through seven. He takes off relaxing. Those rounds need to be active and understanding he does it with everybody, no matter who he's fighting. And then you have to be willing to take a punch to get one. You got to.

You got to be willing to take one. That's the gambling part. You got to pick and choose when to do it. What are you trying to take, though? That's the chess move. All the way to say. All the questions they do. to say it, Tom.

I'm a bigot. I ain't taking the upper cut. I ain't taking nothing that I can't see. That liver shot. No. That's nasty, bro. Hennick, you think Crawford got a chance? I think he got a big chance to win a decision.

Now, if he could hurt Canello, that puts the knockout in effect. Yeah. You know what I mean? I want to get you out of here on this one. When are we going to start seeing these fights again? Because Roy didn't have to give you another. Back then, the O was unimportant. It seems to be now the O is of the utmost importance.

I don't want to fight somebody because if I fight somebody with an O and I got an O and he got an O, that means somebody going to lead a ring. They're not going to have their O. And people are tying greatness, too much greatness to Oat. Everybody think they're going to be Floyd Mayweather. But I want to share these boxes now. Even if you retire undefeated, you're not going to be Floyd Mayweather.

I agree with that. I think it's just, I never, bro, was trying to protect nothing. I was trying to get it and prove that I'm that guy. I'm him. Yeah. And the only way you can do that is fight those guys ranked above you. Yeah. You feel me?

Yes. And if those guys ain't ranked above you, then what we're doing? Right. I'm trying to move up. Right. And the only way I can move up is fight somebody that's ranked above me. Right. We don't got enough of that, though, Natar.

I know, man, something happened in the game where, I don't know, bro. It's like, you say risk over reward. But nobody's taking no risk anymore, bro. But if you know what I like, I like the fact that Turkey is now in boxing, and because he's bringing such a bigger reward, people are willing to take the risk. Yes, sir. That's it. That's it.

But here's the thing. If I got an opportunity to fight somebody I know I can beat and I can make 15 or I can fight somebody that's a 50-50 chance to make 30, I'm going to make that 15. I hear you. Because now you look at me, it used to losses didn't matter in boxing. sugar rate loss with herds loss with magna loss with the red loss with holly lost with sweet meat it didn't matter it didn't matter now all of a sudden if you lose he ain't no good

that's a lot i think i think mayweather put that that uh he raised a ceiling on that and i think that's where everybody but you're not going to be mayweather i know bro and um and like even mayweather undefeated though he's never been undisputed right you feel me right and if this man can win undisputed for the third time yeah bro i'm giving him him to go. I don't care who you is. And the forebearer there. Peter Goat, bro. And he beat, Saul, Canelo, Alvarez. You do it. Bro, got to take your hat off to him, man.

Legacy cemented. Antonio Tarver, ladies gentlemen. Man, I appreciate you, God. Thank you for having me, man. And let me get on, bro. Bring me in the neck. Whenever you're ready. Whenever you're ready. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you. I got you to do the recap. I got you. My God. I got you. My God. Good to see you, bro.

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