Nightcap - Canelo v Crawford Radio Row Live Part 2: Dana White, Andre Ward, Roy Jones Jr. Join the Show!

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

Unc & Ocho are LIVE from the Fontainebleau in Las Vegas and are joined by: Dana White, Andre Ward, Roy Jones Jr., Fernando Vargas and Fernando Vargas Jr. to discuss the state of boxing and preview Canelo v Crawford.  0:00 - Fernando Vargas and Fernando Vargas Jr. 26:23 - Andre Ward and Roy Jones Jr. 48:15 - Dana White (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Which one? Which one? Which one? You got Junior, you got Amalo, you got my brother's over here. What's going on? Three boys here? What the hell? We'll start with you, Dad. We got Canelo, we got Crawford. We got a guy that's moving up, basically, three-weight classes. He'll only fought one fight at 54. So basically, he's jumping three-weight classes, going to Canelo, the big dog, the undisputed 168, super middleweight.

Undisputed King, what are your expectations of this fight, and how does Crawford solve this puzzle? I love both potable. Crawford, we're very cordial with one another. we, you know, we have, you know, whenever we see each other, we hug, he's a good dude. Same way of Canelo, but there's weight classes for a reason. Everybody keeps saying that. And it's the truth. There's weak class for a reason, man.

And I'm not saying that he's not going to have success early. Right. Because I think he's going to have success early, but this is 36 minutes, about, 36 minutes of a fight, of a world championship fight. I don't know if he's going to be able to keep a Canelo awful. I don't know. That's what, Tarver, we just had Tarver. Tarver says that if he can't keep Canelo off him, it's going to be hard for him to beat him.

Because Connello will press him. He just said Tarva, Antonio also said the body shots. He said the body takes a lot of your conditioning out of him. Absolutely. And Connollo is going to try to work the body early. If you're, let's just say for the sake of argument, you're fighting Canelo. how would you go to try to solve that puzzle?

Well, look, us Mexicans are known for a body shot. Yes, we're born, we're born, and they slap us in the butt, and then we hit the doctor with the left body shot. Us Mexicans go to the body, like killers. With killers, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, it's just like my whole life we know about those body shots. Chavez, El Gran Campooooooooo. killing people to the body and we'll knock them out.

I just feel that those body shots are going to be too much. Yeah. Too much, man. You know, when I think about it, Fernando, question, if you're Bud, understanding their weight classes for a reason. Skills pay the bills. Yeah. Fighting styles make fights. Do you think Bud has the type of fighting style?

Not saying Floyd Mayweather. Does he have the type of fighting style, the type of footwork, the type of offense and defense, whereas defense can become his offense to be able to survive a 36-minute fight? I believe so. Yeah. You know, he started the whole fight with Spence as a South Ball. Yes. So for a South Paul, for another South Paul, it's like, oh, okay.

So look, I think Crawford is one of the best fighters of our generation. You know, skill-wise, he could compete in any generation. But I just feel, like my dad said, you know, right on the money. I think the weight's going to be a little too. much in the later rounds. I see Crawford having early success, landing shots on Canelo. Maybe it being one-sided. Yes.

And then I do end up seeing Canelo, you know, picking him apart in the later rounds. Even if his conditioning is on point, you still think Canello will be able to pick him apart in the later rounds? Look, Crawford, if he fights a perfect fight, he could beat a Canelo Alvarez. He has the skills to be able to, you know, get fighters frustrated. He had a layoff, though. I think he had like a year layoff. Yes.

You know, that plays a little factor as well. So we're just going to have to see what Crawford and what Conno we get Saturday. Okay. I look at Bud and you look at, and I say Canello, Conello probably walks around at $195,200. He drifts down. He got no neck too, OG. He has, he's like this.

And I see him doing those neck exercises. As a matter of fact, you know, y'all remind me. We did a lot of neck exercises this camp, too. Yeah. I had him do a lot of the. Is that type of fight? A lot of neck exercises that we needed it, and we're good to go. So, and I'm, and I'm looking at him, is that he mentioned that Crawford, South Paul,

but he got dynamite in his right hand. He's a natural South Paul. Yes. But he can find orthodox. Very few people, but has, has Canelo fought anybody other than Floyd that can put punches together like Crawford? No. Nope. I don't think so.

I think I think Crawford He has that wild card He has that it factor Where it's like okay Crawford can I'm gonna be real with you When this fight first I caught up I thought it was like a f-like what

Canello's too big Conno all the way As is getting closer As Bud's physique is not like Flabby and you see him build I'm like hold on Bud has everything to gain I think there's more pressure on Canelo

If he wins it's like You're supposed to Crawford's two-way classes I mean, he was trying to achieve greatness. But if Crawford wins, Crawford gets all the praise of being the, you know, all-time great for the generation. And I thought, I think Crawford,

because Crawford was having to strip down to 47, Crawford probably walks around naturally at 85, 90. So now he doesn't have to come. You drop that extra 20 pounds that he would normally get to have to go to 47. Now he can stop it at 68. So how, if you were to say, say, let's just say, three months after fight, how much, three, four months after

fight, how much you think Bud weighed when he was fighting at 147? How much you think he weighed? I, yeah, about 60s, 68. You think that's, that's, I think, that's, I think, bud, but brothers don't put on as much way in the next thing as, you guys are, you guys don't be putting out of way. You guys are getting up like, no, no, you guys are fat, metabolism. We envy your metabolism.

We look at, we look at food, and we are, we're already, we're really, we're, I'm a cunle eating weight. You guys eat whatever he guys want. You see what Conello rehydrates you? 50 pounds. Canello coming in to fight. Canello might be 185, 190. At least.

When he refueled? Yeah, guarantee. Oh, absolutely. He's going to be one 90. Easy. Easy. Yeah, for sure. For sure.

Yeah. So, Fernando, this Saturday, you're going up against Callum Walsh. I'm sure. Do you watch much film when you, when you, before, before a fight do you watch film on boxes like we do when it comes to football you watch your opponents so you can get their tendencies what they like to do see what you can find pick about pick pick things that you might see that works on on them when they fight other fighters do you guys do that absolutely you know he said he didn't do his due diligence and watch film or tape that's on

you right you know what i mean um i have a legend father where we took this fight serious i mean i've had over a two-month camp i had way more time than needed for this guy of course i study tape on him he's a great fighter you know he has the backing of freddie roach and when i do beat him i want my flowers not because of daddy not because they've been cherry picking this way god made this moment for me and i'm going to show the world what i'm about so when you do watch film on a callum walsh what challenges does he present when it comes to fighting in the ring or if there are if there any i got to be smart early you know he uh he has he has the power and i have the power to end things early so i know for the first couple round

I've got to be in there super smart, nice, tight guard. And without going in too much into my game plan, I just know that Callum is not a better fighter than me. He wants to talk about the experience, and I find people in Russia. That's the amateurs, that's the amateurs, bro. Right, right. So, you know, the best of Cubans, haven't converted as the best of pros. Yes.

And I'm extremely motivated for this fight, and the casinos have me as the underdog. I'm not worried about it, baby. You can never kind of Vargas out. And I'm just going to show the world, you know, Dana White made a big mistake, bro. He did. Come on. Go. Being a dad or being a professional fighter yourself, is this the profession you wanted your kids to go in?

No. No, gee, he had a college paid for. He didn't want me to do this. So take this up. I would put these guys in Pop Warner basketball. Right. I would be one of the best. Pop Warner, each of them.

If they didn't make three touchdowns a game, it wasn't a game. Right. Athletic. Basketball, he's a hooper. Didn't play football like him, but you know what I'm saying? He didn't care. He's a hooper. And I want my kids not to fight, none of them.

Yeah. But my confided of Frankie Baby says it's like this, champ, you don't want your kids to go, no. And he goes, okay, who's going to tell your kids they can't be like their dad? Because I'm not going to tell him. And we still can't, though. You know, my dad, my dad, to me, you know, he's Superman, man. My dad, I don't know if I could save it like this, but, you know, my dad had the courage to fight anyone in any given night.

You don't see that with fighters no more. Like, win-loser draw, you knew that my dad was coming to fight. He was either going to fight you in the way-ins or win-lose-dra. I mean, Vargas is going to give you a great fight. And that's what this generation is missing, is putting your records on the line and just giving fight fans great fights. Why are the fighters in today's era scared to take chances? I think the Floyd generation kind of, you know, affected us a little bit.

You know, everybody wants to be Floyd, have Floyd money. Everybody said that. Everybody wants Floyd. A, pretty boy, Floyd, that guy was different. Diego Corrales, Arturo Gotti, moving up in weight. I mean, my dad was in the Olympics with him. So it's just, it's a different time now. You know, now we got the Jake Paul's.

And, you know, you got a cute little left hook. You got a nice smile. Now you're marketable. So it's just, like my dad, you know, is just very different. You know, you had to really be a dog back in my dad's day to be champion. The 154-pound division of my dad's day, Trinidad, Oscar. Mosley, yeah, Mosley, my dad, Winky.

Remember that winkie fight? Come on, dad, went bald that fight. I was like, okay. My dad had not like good. Yeah. Burn for the forest. Yeah. Rest and peace.

Rest and peace, burning. Yep. Well, you said something very interesting. You said the oath. Yeah. Is that people have attached greatness to the oath. Yes. Is that do we not because Sugar Ray doesn't have an old?

Is he not great? Sugar Ray Robinson is one of the best fighters. Sugar Ray Leonard. Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, one of the best fighters that ever did. Yep. But now, guys, like, man, I don't want to, if you got an old and I got an old, I ain't trying to risk my old. Yeah. I want to keep my old.

Oh, intact. I don't know what, you know, times we're living in, you know what I mean? But, you know, when I was champion, shit, I wanted to fight the best because I'm the best. You know, shit. I'll be five world champions. You're different campus. All my kids. Winchi right.

Aqueirte. Javier Castile. And the four of all the famous and world champions that beat me to walk away, saying it was easy because I was in their ass too. Yeah. But it's like, even if my dad's losses, I tell me that all the time. Dad, the Trinidad fight, you know how much, you know how much courage you showed that night? Yeah.

Oscar. You almost had him out of there early. Like some of my dad's losses were his biggest wins. And that's what Boxes is missing nowadays, and we need more of that. Yeah. People tell me that. People tell me that your wins are like lost. Your losses are like wins.

I go, really? Why? What do you mean? You gave everything, bro. You're in the fight too. You're fucking these fools up too. Yeah. But, you know, it happens.

I go thank you but you but you's willing to fight always you was willing to fight you didn't duck anybody always and guys that guys didn't duck it seems like now it's like bro y'all two the best fight I think that's why UFC has gotten so much attention yeah Dana ain't letting you duck nobody no he's like I'm putting up the money I got turkey I got turkey here what's good like y'all got a fight so fight yeah that's what we want to see we shouldn't have to go years that a fight create buzz like this

one is created. We used to have this all we have two or three of these a year. You got to go two, three years before you have a fight that man, people talk about.

Right. That's just the time we're living in. Yeah. Social media time. Yeah, I mean, I don't know who the hell

Jake Paul was until I saw my social media. Right, right, right. 300 million followers, I don't know what they're. And that you were popping before, I think MySpace was out barely. I was fucking on my face.

But I'm saying like social media wasn't even out. And it was just, it was crazy. It was different. Well, let me ask you this. How different would it have been if you'd have had social media? If you had the internet, you had IG, you had TikTok, you had Twitter. And then people tell me like this, you were huge in those times and you didn't even have social media. People remember me still to this day and I have social media right then.

But guess what? Now it's the social media era, which is great. gets people an opportunity to make more money if they got that following. Right. Yeah. This fight, did they go to distance? Somebody getting somebody, somebody, somebody go to touch the canvas? I think that, see, everybody thinks that junior is the facade.

We have, we, we fighters, that we need a fight to build our records. But guess what? the last fight that he fought against Korea what was his name? His name's Korea. He fought Genentebeck through Mongia. He fought Genoa and he knocked them out. Now, like I said, Junior hit harder as a little kid.

And to this day, they think it's a facade. But guess what? This is going to be his coming out party. Oh, yeah. And everybody's going to be like, tuner is a real deal. But it's like everyone in this fight is praising my power, praising his power, I'm a soul like a box,

like a counterpunch. like it's not just power in there like I want to show that I'm a complete fighter and when they say 154 pound division like after this of course I'm not overlooking Callum but my eyes are on Fondora my eyes are on Virgil my eyes

those are the fights that excite me I want that I want glory for myself Virgil Ortiz yeah you know let's go look I mean if not why would I be in this sport right right just dad give me fights

nah I'm in here and I really want to be taking serious you know and I want to show that this junior could compete with the highest level i like it how like how difficult was it to coach knowing what you accomplished how difficult was it to coach your kid it wasn't it wasn't difficult um because that's a lot of pressure you're world champion no no no it was difficult like i became a i'm going to be honest with you guys i became a trainer because of emiliano my third son okay he one day we're uh i took him to some amateur fights and he he was just dumbfounded he's

Papa, you don't say that Daddy, I want to do that I want to do that I want to do that you don't want to do that Papa, you can't you don't want to do that and then I go

then I go then I okay if you tell me after school to take you to the boxing gym I'll take you to the boxing gym I picked him up the first thing that came out of his mouth was like

what I said when I'm going to say him to the boxing gym what am I going to tell him no right And so I became a trainer and looking at me, I know, killer, just like his daddy. You know, killer, just like his daddy. What if Floyd Sr. say, Dad? You're not going to be no good. You ain't going to be no good.

If you're not, which is daddy. I don't need a Roger Bayweather. I got my dad right there to the top, to the top, to the top, dad. I like it. I like it. I love it. That's unbelievable, man. My brother.

Vargas Senior. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Don't forget the junior. When they go When I said it is what people go Fernando

I go Motherfucking Park He said go Don't forget the motherfucker Fernando Fernando Mof

Bargis Senior Fernando Mof Bargis Jr. Thank you Thank you man Absolutely

Thank you Thank you bro Oh man It's been amazing man It's to see You know I haven't been around a whole lot

You know whole lot of fighters in this type of environment Obviously you know met a few guys but to sit here and to hear them talk about how they think this fight is going to break down. I guess

you know, we do what we do. We talk about we talk about football. And we talk about how this thing, we think this thing's going to play out because we look at the offense, we look at the defense, we look at the skill sets of both sides. Like, okay, we think it's going to be like this. But to hear them, you know, hey, even Bud might come out and take the

rounds early. Yeah. But can he sustain it at that weight in the later of rounds, knowing that Canello is going to take some middle of the rounds off, X, Y, and Z. So it's interesting to see how this cat and mouse game, how this thing actually is going to play out. If you look at the routine and the way Canello fights, he always

starts slow. He always starts slow. He doesn't start pressuring you until maybe round three, four, five, and he puts that pressure on, then for some reason, and he does every fight, he takes off round six, seven, and eight, and then pours it back on for the remainder of the fight.

He does the same thing, every fight, who he's fighting. So I think Bud has a good chance to take an early lead on the scorecard in the early rounds. But boy, once Canelo turns it up and start coming forward, it's a different ball game. It's going to be very interesting. Bud says he's ready. He's taking his time and put the weight on. This was not a rush job. And like I said, he doesn't have to strip down. He doesn't have to take meat off the bone in order for him to make that 147. Right. Because Because as we get older, it's hard and harder to keep the weight down bad police. Get it all for you.

Yeah. Especially what you put it on. And like I said, we talk about Floyd, but Florida is a smaller man. And so Florida is not a 170-pound man. Florida is not a 160-pound man. Florida is about 150 to 155-pound man. So you're asking him to take two to five pounds off and be at weight. So when he comes in and when he comes in, I bet when Floyd would refuel,

Floyd probably wait 149. 150 and a half. Yep. So that's why it was nothing for him. He's like, man, I got to go to 154. Well, hell, he walked around at 155. All they had to do is drop a half a pound, don't you? Yeah, that's it.

So he doesn't have to do this crazy stuff and take all that weight off him and do all this crazy stuff. He doesn't have to do that. Yeah. Look, I think Bud, you know, Vargas Jr. said he'd think Bud would walk around at 75. I think Bud probably walks around at 85.

Yeah. But Connello definitely walks around at 200. the 200 big boy yes he was telling that I basically said my bad y'all y'all don't gain no weight I look at food it makes the final gain weight so it's going to be it's going to be very interested to see I'm excited long or will we notice the conditioning factor because at some point in time I mean you know it like we said Ocho yeah sparring is one thing training camp is one thing but now you're fighting in there where the guy is really trying to take your head off Because when you, as far, you've got headgear.

Mm-hmm. Different ball games. It's a whole different ballgame. So I'm anxious to see this thing, how this thing really shapes out. Oh, yeah. What you thinking? I'm excited. I'm pulling for bud.

I'm pulling for bud. I understand the sweet science, though. I understand there are weight classes for a reason. But I'm pulling up a bud to see men himself in history and do something that not many have done. The willingness to take a chance. And making history is commendable. It is. Oh, for sure. I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm excited.

I hope he executes his game plan. I hope he does. I'm pulling for him. And sometimes, don't you look. You can execute perfect and still not be perfect. Yeah, it might not be enough. Your perfect might not be enough on that night. Especially with them damn judges out here, but don't get me started. He can judge that here in Vegas I think What you call him? I think

Can Bud Clipping? Can Bud Can Bud hurt Canella? Clipping? Yes. Heard him? He wasn't even hurt with Triple G. I think because he He wasn't hurt with Beval.

You remember the movie Predator? Yeah. Arnold Schwarzen. When Arnold's character Yeah, the Predator. And he saw that, he saw that green stuff going to leave, he said if he'll believe, we can kill him. Yeah.

I remember that part. Remember that part. I remember that part. That's the one with the one from Rocky. Yeah. Carl Weathers. Carl Weathers. Yeah.

Carl Weathers. When that's the thing. Bud's going to have to be able to hurt him to see that he can be. He can do it. Yeah. Anything to add a little bit more confidence. Because it's going to, it's hard to a guy that size and look bud is like the fight's going to play how it's going to play out yeah

but i don't it's hard for me to see a scenario what bud thinks he could outpoint him oh it's going to be difficult i've seen one person outpoint outpoint canelo and that was mayweather but that wasn't but that wasn't even close that was mayweather yeah when you fought braval that was overpower that was overpower that was overpower strength. Yeah, you did, yeah, yeah. We're just overpowered. You're fighting a bigger man.

You're fighting a more powerful man. Yeah. So that's why it looked like you were overwhelmed. If Bobald is going to the ring at once, said, if I held, he weighed 210, 215. Probably. He's coming down from 210, 215. Probably.

Uh, but at the end of the day, that's what it comes down. It comes down to look, we know blood is skilled. We know blood will fight. Blood will not retreat. And basically, in order for him, in order for him to, if he feels that he's not going to run. That's not in his DNA. But you've got to be smart.

It's not a time for ego. It's not a time for pride. It's about IQ, ring IQ, being smart, engaging when necessary, setting traps, doing whatever you need to do, to fight smart and win that fight by decision, or everybody got to punch his chance. Yeah. I don't think you can get him out of it with one punch,

but I think he can put punches together. No, no, no, no. And it has to be something he doesn't even realize. lies is coming. No. And that's the thing. That's what makes Bud dangerous is the natural lefty, but he has power in the right. And so he can fight out of the sidewalk stance. He can fight out of the

orthodox. And it's going to be very, very interesting to see this thing. Jim, you know, Jim said this would be Holyfield Tyson. Yeah? Because you've got two accomplished guys. Very accomplished. Leon Spinks, when he beat Muhammad Ali, Spinks wasn't accomplished.

Now, he wasn't Olympic gold medalist. He and his brother, along with Sugar Ray, and I think Davis won the gold medal in 76 in Montreal. And so he hadn't had a whole lot of fights when he beat Muhammad Ali. So he wasn't accomplished. He wasn't a champion boxer like Canelo. He wasn't a champion boxer like a Bud. In the four-bud era, he's the only, he's the first man to be undisputed in two-way classes. And we know what Canello is.

Yeah. He's the undisputed super middleweight. So we got two very accomplished fighters, but we got a guy that moved up basically three-way classes. Yeah. And if he worked to beat him, you heard Tarvis say he's immediately calling him the goat, no matter what. You would have to, I think it would be bigger than Holyfield Tyson. For the simple fact, Holyfield didn't move up. Holyfield was already fighting at the heavyweight division.

Right. already fought Redick Bow. He had already fought George Foreman. He had already fought guys at that heavy, Michael Moore. So he had already fought guys at that point. That, the Foreman fight was good. His first fight at 168 is against Canello. Is that boy? He fight that boy. Yes. He jumped. He povoted 160. He didn't stop at 160. Right. He went to 68 and basically just had one fight at 54 when he fought the best of his career at 47 of below. So this would be this would be huge this would be huge

and you know Roy Beanie Ruiz I remember Yeah But nobody thought Ruiz as a great heavy weight Well it wasn't as decorated either No

No But the fact that Roy was able to go up to heavyweight And do it Yes And that's again Styles make fights Yes

Roy had the style And the skill To be able to go to heavyweight Yes And do just that Right And the thing is is that Roy had to gain weight.

Roy, I mean, Roy was fighting at 68, so, you know, to go up to make 193. Roy probably walks around, probably walking around it probably 1.80. Yeah, back then. Yeah. Supreme of the skill. I mean, Roy had elite defense. Roy had skill. Roy had that left.

Fast his hands. Yeah, man. Body. I mean, Roy could do it all. Roy literally could do it all. Yeah. he had Mayweather skills he had elite defense and he had power hey this is Matt Jones I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL cover zero we think

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What's up? What's up? You're skinny, right? What's the, Dre? You good. You feel that when you hugged me. Ain't enough there. With these hands here, man.

Right there. Right there. You're nervous? You handed them? Yeah. Chad asking, he's nervous. It ain't enough there, Chad. It ain't enough there, man.

I don't mean nothing. I'm 125. I don't mean nothing. Andre Ward joins the show. Drake. Yeah. It's been a long time since we had this kind of buzz about a fight. Yeah. We got buzz.

We got a guy that's basically pole vaulted three-way classes to take on the ultimate challenge. And I don't think we have enough of those guys willing to take that challenge. Come on, come on, Ro. Yeah, yeah, come on, Roy. Yeah. What's up? What's up, baby? You're good.

Yeah, you're walking like you got a hill fish, man. That's the knee, dude. That's the knees. That's the knee. That's that basketball, man. That ain't boxing. That's basketball. I just told it's been a while, Roy, since we had a fight that generate this kind of buzz.

We got a guy that basically pove all the three-way classes. He had one fight at 54, he polled balled at 60, he landed at 68 to take the ultimate challenge. And I was telling Dre, I don't think we got enough of guys in this sports that's willing to take the challenge because everybody wants to keep this. They want to keep stay perfect. And everybody wants to be Floyd Mayweather. even if you end your career and you ain't got no losses. People are not going to look at you like they look at Floyd Mayweather. So stop trying to be Floyd and take on challenges like in the 80s when the four horsemen.

The seven is the heavyweight fault everybody. You didn't duck nobody. Hagler fault Hurons. Hurons fault Hurons, Horan, Doran, Fault Lanner. And the heavyweight, Ali fought Foreman, Foreman, Fault Frey, fault Ken North, wrong, loud. Damn, Ernie Shay. Go ahead and take that, Roy.

Take that one. Take it. What he said? What he said? He's saying a lot. No, what he's saying, though? He's saying a lot. What he said about your boy?

Which one? I ain't saying that. Anyway, they're picking on me today. Now, you're about talking about talking about. What he said is, people don't care enough no more about being the goat or being the best. You know what I mean? You got to think about it. When you play football, you didn't want no other top-notes-office on the other side.

You didn't want nobody else top-knots on your team in your position. You want to be the man at that. Right. When I thought I didn't want nobody close to what I was doing Because I wanted to be the man If I thought somebody was a weight class up A three-way class up I got to go see him

I can't sleep at night if I don't go see him I'm not that dude But this is what we come from this time This is my hour time We can't sleep at night If they think he can whip me And he couldn't sleep at night If they thought I could whip him

Right You understand me, it's just not What a champion truly is built out of You know when I see Tarvo or that night he just left him Yeah He knows deep down in my heart He still feels

We fight in the town. You're better. They're best, right? I love me. He's free. He's good people. Yeah. Never gets him out.

But if they pay me the right money, we got to go again. That's the real time. Yeah. You feel me? I'm so sorry, but that's just how it goes. That's what you've been. Boxing has lost that. Right.

Because boxing has lost that is giving people an opportunity to come in like a Jake Paul, steal the steam, because don't make the mistake about it. An old man told me this one time. Two mules are a great race. meaning that if you got a racehorse out there that won't race another racehorse he's going to blow all the mues up nobody wants to see that

but when you put that mule like that with another mule you're going to get a good damn race that's what boxer has been missing this time we got two mues we got two racehorses yes two thorough brands

that are about to get this is what the sport has been missing nobody I had to go out with to everywhere to make it happen because I couldn't get nobody around my time

at my week class to create the atmosphere this happens They wanted you to go across the water fight, Kauzak, I ain't doing it. He wasn't doing it? Not Kauzak, the guy from Germany. Mecca Shepsky, yeah.

I wasn't doing that. Because he had one belt, you had about 10 bills. What am I going to take all my stuff? I'm the man, you should come over here where I'm going. You're offering them great money to come. He said, no. So that's telling me, y'all must have something. Y'all got to wait for me to come over there.

Y'all got a plan for me. I remember what happened to me in 88. I didn't let that happen again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, go here. You understand the game of boxing. A little bit. You understand this sweet science, better than anybody that's going to be watching.

What does Bud need to do to win this fight? What type of fight does he need the fight to win this fight? That's not an easy answer. Right. So what I'm saying is he got to do a lot of things, right? So he got to answer the strength question. When we bump for the first time and we bump shoulders and we clinch each other. am I going to be able to get my respect there?

Okay. Because if not, it's going to be a hard night. When I punch, when Terrance starts getting off offensively, is Canelo laughing or does he feel something? At least enough where you got respectable power where I can't get crazy and get reckless with you. When Canello hits Terrence for the first time, what's the response going to be? We got a lot more questions than we got answers leading into this fight, and that's how you know it's a great fight. If I looked at the landscape and I said, man, from 154 to 168, who's a name that could give Terrence Crawford to run for his money and potentially beat him, it would be a Canelo Alvarez.

Right. He at the top of the list. But if I said, what's the smaller dude that can come up to really three-way classes since he fought Errol Spence and challenge Canelo Alvarez? It would be Terrence Crawford. Yeah. If any smaller fighter can do it, it's him. And it ain't just Terrence's physical ability or who he fought. It's this and it's this.

It's the stuff you can't see. Yeah. I got a win or die for me. I can't fathom losing against you and having to live with that for the rest of my world. That's the type of stuff that will make you figure it out. Right. So on one hand, you've got to lean toward Crawford from the standpoint that I think he's going to find a way to figure it out. Right. But then you got all the physical advantages and the skill set and the power of Canelo Alvarez.

We talked about this. You moved up from 68 to go to one night or to go to heavyweight. Heavy. To fight Ruiz. You weighed 193 at the way in. And our 25 pounds you put on to go fight Ruiz. But, but, and I was talking to Vargas, senior, and I was talking to someone else, Kayla plant.

I say, Canelo, if he's stripping down to go to 16-day, Canello walking around at 195, maybe even 200. Mexico's carried weight. And I said, bud, but, probably walking around, Bud probably walking around, what, 180 to go down to 47? 186, 185? Yeah, what I'm saying? So now he gets to stop in 68.

But thinking Rob's cardio, moving Rob's cardio, punching Rob's cardio, can he do for 36 minutes, can he stay mentally sharp, mentally focused, locked in, and put punches together to keep Canello up, I think. Like Dray said, if he can shock him enough to make him pay attention to that lick, that would keep in about, that's how Floyd did it. Yeah. Floor shocked him early and kept their respect.

Right. and kept him out there on the outside a bit. If Bud can do that, then Connella would be in for a long night. If Bud can't do that, then Bud is in for a long night. But like he said, the only person that can beat both of them right now and in this situation would beat each other. Whoever can come out and get their respect early, it's going to win the fight. Whoever come out and take over that first and second round,

it's going to win the fight. Because if Bud don't hurry up and put Conno in that box, Connello's going to be a problem Come out of 8, 9, 10, 11. Yeah, let me say this about Bud, man. For him to be successful in this fight and win this fight, he got to control himself. So that, I'm going to show you

that alpha male, I'm always coming out on top. You got to reserve that into the right time. Right. So in other words, you ain't got to be stronger than Canelo. You just got to be strong enough. Right. You ain't got to hit harder than Canello. You just got to hit hard enough.

And that's the discipline. saying, okay, you might not respect my power like you would a regular 68-pounder, but you respect it enough. Right. And he's got to stay within that. And I think the fight really going to start from the seventh round on. Oh, okay. The first six rounds, it could be four to two, Canello going into seven.

It could be four, two, but it could be three, three. That's when we're going to tap into conditioning. That's when we're going to see how the weight is affecting bud. That's when we're going to see is Canello going to fade like we typically see him fade. Yes. From the seventh round on, that's when this fight going to start. Because when you go back, look at Canello. The only guy

that he's ever fought, that could put punches together beat it. That's Mayweather. He's never fought anybody else that can put punches together like Bud. That could have went either way. Right. So if Bud, you're saying something very interesting. You said ego, but don't get reckless. You can be an alpha, but don't get

reckless with it. Because you get reckless with it, you're walking itself up, and then he turned the lights out of place. Open yourself, wide open. So the question is, can Bud put two, three, four punches together? They're like, got Canello like, hold on. Damn, I can't just walk up in here. Hey, they're not horrid, but these yellow jackets hurt.

He's deep. He's going to. He's going to have to. We're going to have to. Yeah. But I'm going to have to put them together. Early. In spots.

Early on, it's ones and twos. Yeah. Right. Yeah. That second, third round, then out twos and threes. Yeah. Got to test you out. Once we get on that back half, now I can stay there a little bit longer.

Yacht, yach, y'at, yeah. You can sit on you doing. Yeah. It's a progression. It's not all at one time. No, no, no, no. Because you know, trying to fit down on everything.

Of course. Canello tried to get you up out of the road. He's supposed to be. He's the bigger man. If you don't come in out with that mindset, you're lost already. But the thing we're not talking about with Canello is Canello can box too. Yeah. It's defense. I call Canello and Crawford puncher boxers, not boxer punches, meaning they really want to get to it. They can box, but they really don't like to.

If you see Canello moving around the ring, if you see Terrence moving around the ring, it's either the rest for a second or the reset so they can do what they really want. want to do, which is get that shot in that's going to change the course of the fight. They punch a boxer, so I got to see that on display. I want to see who's going to control that. But Canello can box. Yeah. He just don't have to, and he don't really like to, but he can box.

Here's the problem, though. You know both of them. You know, both of them have spent a lot of time with Turk. You know, Turk paid both of them. You know, Turk told him he don't want no decision. I don't think they're listening to that. Huh? I don't think they're listening today.

All right. Because they're going to get paid regardless. Yeah, all right, but I'm just saying. You don't want no decision. You got a turkey knot in the ring. I'm just saying. Everybody goes into the fight with a game plan. I understand that.

You got to execute that game plan and make adjustments round by round. That's good to sell the fight. It's sound good. We're talking about it. It ain't going to have no bears on this fight. He's got a problem, though. If you go in there and let Canello get that real estate going this early, you are already lost. Yeah.

If you go into Canada and let Bud get that real estate early, you are already lost. So where Turk wants, it's inevitable. It's what I'm basically trying to say. Where he wants right now and the night, now he's Saturday night, it's inevitable. Because Bud can't give up room, and neither can't connect him. Because whoever give up that, you know what I'm going to get greedy. You're going to lose that fight.

Yeah. Just what I think. It's going to force you to fight no matter what. Just what I say. So what he wants is inevitable anyway. We got a guy in Bud. It's very few. Bud is a sound fault.

But boy, he got power. And as an orthodox. Very few. Very few fighters can turn the lights out of the building with either hand. We saw him start with Spence. He saw Paul. And then all of a sudden he switched up like this. Hello.

Who this other guy in the ring? Because I was glad they got to hit me when he left. And now they got to tear me up with the rail. Who that? Which one of y'all hit me? Yeah, which one are y'all hit me? Could that be a problem for Canello? Yes.

Let me take this. Go for it. It could have been a problem. until in came Boots Ennis, who also does that. Oh, that's shit. You could take it from now. That's why he had him in camp. I forgot all about that.

Kinello had boots against him. Yes. Yeah, Boots fight unorthodox and South Pole. Really good. Yes. Oh. That makes sense. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

I thought he was getting ready for his fight. Oh, he took a dance. There and I thought he was getting ready for his fight. He was. But he was helping Canello, too. tell me he ain't serious the mere fact first of all

he understands what buddy is in the full bed era he's the first man to be undisputed in two weight classes so you know first of all

it's a boxing match that man got an unblemish record you got an unblemished record so you know the fact but Tenello also understands

this good this is people say what it as a You get accomplished like Canello, undisputed in super middle weight. We got a guy that's been undisputed in two weight classes. Now, we can say Buster Douglas when he beat Mike Tyson.

Mike Tyson. Yeah. But Buster Douglas was not as accomplished as a Canello or Cook Crawford. Leon speaks when he beat Muhammad Ali. He was not as accomplished. And we, so this right here, what Bud would do? I don't know. Roy, Drey, y'all been around the sport.

You did the sport. You're a world champion. I don't know how high this go if Bud were to do this, but it's got to be pretty damn high. He up there. Would that not make him the greatest of all time? He doesn't make him the greatest of all time. We can't say that.

No? The greatest of all time? If he goes out there and beats Canello at 168 going up two weight classes? Listen, man, that is a great feat. He up there. Yeah. Of all time? Okay.

I don't even think Bud would say that. Okay, okay, okay, okay. We're talking past Robinson. We're talking past Ali. Okay, you're right. We've got to be careful with that. Right. I'm speaking to the essence of the time we're in now, where we can't even get fighters.

This era? Yeah, we can't even get us. He's one of the best greatest long time in this era already. By far. We can't even get our best fighters to fight each other right now. Yeah. And we got Bud taking a chance. I wonder why.

Going up. He's feeling away about that. Huh? I want to be aware about that. Why, why? Let me go back. He just said, they protect them old. But, no, it ain't just.

It ain't just. It ain't just the O, though. Let me go back to the conversation about why the fight's not happening. If you got a big enough fan base, you've got a big enough social following. Why would I risk? And I'm saying this is what I believe the youngsters are thinking. Why would I risk my health and my reputation? Because really the reputation, I think they're thinking about that more than they're thinking about their health.

As long as my fan base feels like I'm him, why would I have to risk proving that I'm him? Wait, the fan base ain't cutting the checks. I got you. But some of them still getting the money. without facing top competition. So I'm going to tell you how the youngster's thinking. They're looking at the old heads now saying, y'all was stupid.

You fought him? You fought him for that? They're looking at facing tough challenges like they're laughing at it. Like, dude, I got this to face him. The whole dynamic is changed. It's a whole paradigm ship. As long as my fan base says I'm the guy

and I can walk around like the guy and feel like the guy, that's enough for me. All that proving to be great legacy stuff, ain't nobody trying to hear all that. That's whether we like it or not, that's how they think. I believe, I believe 100% what you say. But when it's done and people don't give them

credit, they wonder why. They wonder why they still hold Sugar Ray Leonard and these great fighters and the Roy Jones and all these other fighters in high regard because they fought everybody. You go back and look at the age, when they had the four horsemen, the field horsemen with Iran Barclay, they fought everybody.

You go back and look at the 70s in the heavyweight division, nobody nobody. Now, bro, you're undefeated. It's like if I go to a, I'm going to a game. Tickets for sale. I want to buy tickets.

We'll buy the tickets. We'll buy the ticket. You're talking about you want to fight the best. He's undefeated. You're undefeated. You're underfeited. It's a different game. You know what?

Even though it's a different game right now, Roy, and Dre, I think with Turkey being into the game night, I think more fighters that are really good, that have those zeros, that have the skill set. He's going to make a fight. Because I'm willing to take the risk for the reward that he's a big reward. There it is. And I do appreciate that about Turkey. You can say what you want to say.

He's paying him. Yes. So many times fighters had high risk, low reward. You look at the money, it's like, y'all chopping that up five different ways. This is what he brought home after y'all got your money. And he fought a 12 round back. That man in the hospital right now. That's what you're giving him.

15, 15, 12. It's different now. It is. So I appreciate that man saying, look, I want the best fights, but I'm going to pay you because of it. That's all we asking? That's all.

Get your money, because it is prize fighting. It's not pride fighting. Yeah. My babies can't eat legacy. Nope. The legacy is for me and my name. I can't live with myself unless I knew I didn't tested the waters and seen if I was the baddest man.

That's for me and my name. But really my kids, I got to make sure this money right. Right. But I think that's why kind of UFC is kind of taking over because Dana White ain't going to let nobody duck. And they can't choose. This who you're going to fight.

You got no choice. Okay, you got the bell. Okay, you're fighting the number one contender. Okay, you got to well, you just beat the number one when you fight number two. Well, okay, this is what, four and five y'all going to fight. To see who's fight number one to see who's going to fight for the title. And that's why they try to get him

involved with boxing too. But they think that's the key to fix that problem. Yeah. That's the blueprint. Yes. but Roy you wanted to fight you fought James Tony whoever

if you had first of all if you once you won 68 you can't have no bill in my era you wear pay you paying a west suspenders but you're not fend to have a bill because I'm gonna get it

not at all not at all and for the challenges for you to say you know what I got to go on up here and you did you skip because a lot of people and say it's okay I'm gonna be a light habit and then I'll go for habit.

You jumped over that and then came back down again. I jumped over cruiser. Yes, you jumped over the cruiser. But I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this part to what he said. I understand what he's saying. Lexington can't feed your kids, right? Currency does. True.

But the problem with the part they're mixing, is that if I got a fan base of fans in the United States and they love me to death and I stay protected, I don't do nothing. When I retire, what happens when I've got? go abroad. When I go abroad right now because I thought in it, everybody came my way, I am like Michael Jordan abroad because they know what I did. Right. They know what I went through. This man just brought me a gold medal back home not long ago because of what I did him way back

then in 1988. Right. They know my presence. They know what I mean. They know what I stood for. So it's like not that fan base here in the United States. I do have a good fan base in the United States. I love them. I appreciate it. But I'm not here to fool of fan base. I'm here to prove the truth. I am the best of my time, my error. Nobody here discused that. So to be able to say, oh, I can make my money with my fan base and, no, brother, don't get it for me. I'm old school. I'm sorry. I do know it's changed.

I respect that. I respect what they do. But I could never have lived there. That's why God created me in 19609, so I had to go through this. But here's the thing. I couldn't play the sport of football and worry about getting hurt. You understand? You in the box? And he's talking about, well, I might get hurt. You're in the fight game.

Yeah. If you fight, I don't care how great you are. You're going to get hit. You're going to get hit. Something's going to, and it's going to impact you. And these guys don't, you talk, a legacy is not undefeated. A legacy is who did you fight to become what you became? Yeah.

We can break it down. But like Michael Urban said, Michael Irving said, guess what? I went through Darrell Green, Rod Wilson, Charles Woodson. I went through Anilis Williams, Williams. and Dionne Sanders to get my gold jacket I went through gold jackets you heard me in a plan you heard me now we got guys talking about ooh who my I'm undefeated in they plan you beat to get you to stay undefeated I ain't talking about Floyd Floyd I can't get rid of you there I'm just saying we ain't going to do that today I'm just saying we

ain't going to do that today yeah we I got a floyd Floyd Floyd did floor right now he fight my time right now i'll fight right tyson too well we gotta wrap it up we got we got we got the big we got the one of the bosses coming in a roy hey appreciate you man thank you bray brother anytime buddy appreciate you hey go easy on it man hey man deal with your guy man dude he said he won't he he said he won't people calling my name my phone talking on these t around for the heads on you yeah yeah i love right all right all right no when you're ready we been ready we've been ready just 1 30 but i had to this Twitter, too, I ain't even know it.

Whenever you're ready. It's 2.30 right now. Huh? Okay, right up I'm there, I can come. That's your last one? Yeah, yeah. Dana, I want to fucking fight. Hey, this is Matt Jones.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Chat. It's going down. Dana White and Turkey are going to sponsor me and Debo. What's up, baby? You good? How did everything? Dana. Good to see you, babe. Appreciate you. Danny, you got it buzzing. You got the biggest fight

in a very, very, very long time. I mean, that might be the biggest fight since Pachial Mayweather. You got Canello, the undisputed super middleweight champ. You got Bud Crawford, the first man in the forebent era to be a two-time

undisputed champ, and they're fighting. Somebody's going to leave. Crawford said he'd leave him with like eight, nine belts. Canelo says, nah, I'm leaving with my legacy C-minate

that I've taken on all that I didn't back down from anybody. How did this fight come to come to be? Well, let's start with this. That's what makes us such a great fight for fight fans. You know, what I always have said and feel is that to have a great fight, what's at stake? What's his stake? It's no different than the Super Bowl or any of these big sporting events. What's at stake? And when you have a guy like Crawford, who could stay in his lane, go down as the greatest in his division and you know uh fight fights that that he's going to win because he's that talented not because he's uh taken on easy uh opponents but to move up two-way classes to to want

to prove himself and for canelo to accept and get the fight this is this is what we all dream of as fight fans so that's why i call this once in a lifetime fight because literally nobody does this right and how it came about was shake turkey you know from Saudi Arabia put this fight together, then hit me up and said, I want you to be the promoter of this event. You said, okay. Because, Dana, look, what you do in the UFC, and this is what we want.

In the UFC, you don't allow somebody to try to handpick and cherry pick guys. You're the best, you're going to fight the best. If you're the number one contender and you've got a belt, you're fighting the number one contender. You're not fighting the number 10 contender. You're not going to duck and die and try to build your bank account up. inferior guys. If you say you the best, fight the best. Well, what I

hate is debate. I hate debate. You have everybody debating over who, this guy, that guy, there's only one way to find out. It's like, like, we can argue, you can get all the experts, you can break down the stats, you can do all this. All the answers and all the questions will be answered on

Saturday. In the ring or the octagon, we can prove who's the best, and now we get an opportunity to see it. Well, here's the thing about boxing too that drives me crazy. Like everybody's undefeated, right? Now, in the UFC, if you're undefeated, like John Jones. Say what you want about John Jones. He's been undefeated his entire career.

He's fought everybody. And that means something. Yes. It means something when you're undefeated. But even though, but in the UFC, Dana, even if a guy has one loss, you don't discard it. It seems like now in boxing, if you have one loss, you're not any good. Adelania has a loss. Piazza has a loss.

Guys have losses. Sugar Ray has. losses. Muhammad had losses. Every boxer. Why did they have losses? Because they fought the best. They fought the best. Harts. Hurons fought Sugar rate. Sugar rate fought Duran. They fought

Barclay. Absolutely right. They did a whole round robin of the baddest dudes of all time. And it's why the sport was so big and why so many people loved it and why these guys today are able to make money off it was because those guys

fought everybody. But then the funny thing about it It's time to change. Yes. Time to change, especially in the sport of boxing. The fighters today don't want to take a loss because it messes up being the A-side, it messes up being to command a certain amount for your purse, it messes up being able to pick and choose who you want to fight and when you want to fight them. Yep.

I agree. That's all it comes down to. What you've seen is, you know, people have been talking about the demise of boxing for over 30 years, but what you have seen is there's no television deal right now for boxing out there. You know, you have some streaming services that are picking. up, you know, picking them here and there and all this stuff. It doesn't work. You can't build

tell me a business in the history of the world or a sport that has generated trillions of dollars in revenue. Yet at the end of the day, there's nothing there. And all these fights feel like a going out of business sale. You know what I mean? Dana, you know when you and I were growing up,

great championship fights used to be on regular television. You could watch a final CBS. I remember with Gil Clancy and all those guys, you could like see great fight. ABC's wide world of sports than USA's Tuesday night fights that was where they built all the stars you're absolutely right yeah Ali could have never said he the greatest if he'd a duck foreman if he to duck Frazier if he to duck Ken

Norton even during Erdy Shaver if he to duck Kent Ron live you can't say that yeah you can't say in an era where all those great fighters out and you don't fight none of them that you're the greatest how you get to say that because no Florida is Floyd yeah and I think what has happened is that everybody sees Floyd they see that perfect 50 and O. They're trying to copy the blueprint. If I'm 40 and oh, if I'm 45 and oh, I'll be the equivalent. No, you're not. Florida is a transcendent. He's a once and a

lifetime fighter. I agree. No matter what, stop trying to be him. There's only one Floyd Mayweather, Jr. You should try to be the first version of you and then let us have that whatever. But you've got to, you've got to fight. You got to. I agree. If you look at this undercard on Saturday night, all young, up and coming guys that are undefeated, all fighting each other. So this will be the first boxing match in a long where I'm telling you right now, you want to be there for the first fight of the night. Whether you're in the arena or watching it live on television, all of these fights on this card are going to be awesome. Is this boxing something that you want to get involved?

I know Turkey, you said, Ali called you and said, I want you to promote it. Is this something that you're trying to dip your toe into? Is this something that you're going to get into? In 26. I'm launching my thing in 26, yeah. Yes. So, so we know how you did the, I mean, you and the pertina. y'all purchased something in the early 2000 for two million and you turn it into a five billion

dollar business box office is that what your hope is for boxing are you trying to get boxing back to what it once was and can it be that well i don't even i i'm not coming in with an arrogance that oh i'm going to come in and fix boxing and i'm going to do everything different my my game plan is pretty clear and simple the the best up-and-coming guys are going to fight each other And then once you get, you know, you got all these sanctioning organizations that are ranking all these different guys. When the best fight the best all the time, there's no question when you get up into the top five, who the best guys in the world are. It's the top five guys in the division. Is that what you think?

You think they got too many, they got the WBO, they got the IBF, the WBC, the WBA, they got Ring Magazine. Do they have too many sanctioning bodies? The sanctioning organizations are part of what killed boxing. There's no doubt about it. That's it. Listen, I have two fights coming up. I would like you to promote my fights. I want you in Turkey.

Where are your fights? He won't, he won't, he won't MMA against Debo, James Harrison. I want to fight James Harrison, UFC, you're going to promote it. You're going to put me on a card. And then I want to do a boxing. When you get into boxing in 2026, I'm going to beat the shit out of Andre Ward. So, no, I'm serious. Dana, I need you.

I've never listened. I know you've been a very long time. Why do you want to do this? You've had an amazing career. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And now you've got a successful podcast. Yeah, very, very, very. Okay. So, so how old do you know?

57. You're 57? Yeah, I look good. You look fucking great. You don't look good. You look fucking great. I've been fighting. I've been fighting all my life.

Well, 57's too old to be fighting. No, it's not. It is. Not for me. 57-year-olds fight to get out of bed and get on a treadmill every day. Danny, you have to do me this one favor. Please. I want to fight James Harrison in the octagon, five rounds,

five minutes James Harrison the NFL player yeah he talked to my trash I need you to set it up I need you to back me tell turkey

the dude's a monster he's a what he's a monster did you see the story of David and Goliath I have okay well that's what exactly what I'm going to look like

is that a real story or is that a myth it might be a myth I think that's a myth how old's he how old is James you think should be

probably about 10 11 years you're probably about 46 45 46 i'm 47 i'm only 47 oh okay i was going to say now you agree to the fight no that's still too old but it's it's better than 57 okay so just say yes please just say yeah i can't say yes we'll tell you this we'll talk about it oh my god chat i'm for the beat his hand we'll talk about it you see if that was happening the boxing you see a lot of guys it's boxing seemed to be headed towards the exhibitions you got Jake Paul go fight Tank Davis. You got Tyson is going to fight

Floyd. Is that what we are with boxing? Well, you know, I think that those type of fights are always going to exist. People are always going to be interested in will Ocho Sinko fight Harrison. Will YouTube guy fight this guy? And these type of fights,

they're always going to exist. It's going to happen. And it's always going to peak the interest of people that want to see what will happen. But it's just not what I'm into. I'm into who's the best in the world who's the best in every weight class who's the pound for pound best that's my thing and that's what I'll always do

I'm not saying I wouldn't do an ochosynco versus Harrison but it would money to be made it would be I don't know I don't know you know I never say never but it's not what I'm into thank you there's a rumor floating around I don't know if there's

any truth that but I think in 20 A UFC event is going to be going to take place at the White House. That is absolutely true. Are they going to allow fans? You're going to have fans? There's going to be under, so under 5,000 people will be on the South Lawn of the White House at the actual. And then right next to the White House is a massive park. Okay.

We'll have 85,000 people there watching on the big screens. And yeah, and we're going to have a stage and, you know, do concerts. And we're going to basically take over Washington, D.C. for a week. So you mentioned that, okay, so the way-ins, everything that would normally happen at, say, an Legion or T-Mobile is going to take place at the White House. Well, at certain monuments. You know, the Lincoln Monument, we might do the way-ins, you know, yeah, we're going to take over the whole city. And then the fight will happen on the South Lawn of the White House. Boy, I know Secret Service of Dana.

You could have said, no, it made it real easy on us, because you don't understand what, protection that we're going to have to go through to make sure this thing is locked down. This has got to be Fort Knox. So, you know, it's probably the most badass thing about, obviously, everything about it is the fighters will actually walk from the Oval Office into the end of the Octagon. I got to be a part of that. So badass. So badass.

That's perfect. Look, I was at the event that you had at the sphere. And I don't know if you saw it on TV, it was great. But if you were there in person, it was on another level. And I remember having a conversation with you when we sat down with the interview, you said, yeah, we're going to do something at the sphere. Once you did this fear, how soon did you start like, the White House would be badass?

I would love to take credit for it. The president was the one that asked me, he said, I think we should, he has this whole, I don't know if you'll ever meet anybody that loves the White House more than President Trump does. He's so proud of that place. And his philosophy is, this house belongs to the people. Right. It belongs to all the Americans.

And he wants to open up stuff like, you know, kids go on Easter go, you know, egg hunting at the white. And having big events that get Americans in to experience and enjoy the White House. That's his thing. So, you know, one of those, we should do a fight. You know, he just set it off the cuff one day. And I said, say when. and he said when we put together all the renderings and all the, you know, how it would work and we flew out

and my team got to pitch him in the Oval Office and with all the renderings and he was blown away by it and it's happening, we're doing it. Have you just, because look, you probably won't get a better venue in the history of UFC. Have you thought about who's going to be on that card? So we won't start really looking at who's on the card to, like, February.

Okay. So in February, we will start making the card. But, you know, I was having a conversation with D.C. And I don't know if you saw it. He says, he says, Shannon, I know what Dana said. But if he wants some Americans, unless he wants the Europeans to take over the White House and win every match, he better put John Jones on that car. He's like, yeah, no.

Well, that's, that's pretty big of Cormier. I'm proud of him, man. I'm proud of him, Barryman the hatchet. He said, we can't, we got to get one win. He said, because I don't know any Americans that can get a win at the White House other than John Jones. I said, what about John Jones and Aspinall? I said, would you think Dana would consider that? He's like, hell yeah.

He's like, well, one of the things with me is. unlike tennis and basketball and all these other things, my sport is a global sport. And there's guys from all over the world that are talented. I don't ever... But we can't lose at the White House. I know it's a global sport, but that's an American soul. That's the whitehouse.

And fighting, man. You can't, you know... You can't determine who's going to win. That's why they're fighting. That's exactly right. So whoever we bring in on that card, I'm not looking for America versus, you know, in every American to win.

Right. Whoever wins wins. Right. I like it. You just did this new deal. I mean, a monumental deal. I mean, you were, I mean, in the beginning, you paid to be on Spike TV. Right.

And then you get this deal with a Fox, and then you go to ESPN, and now you're with CBS and Paramount and billions of dollars. Dana, when you and the patita sat down, it's like, I think this is a business that we can buy for a little of nothing. did you ever envision it would be this? Well, if you watch interviews with me early on, I said this will be the biggest sport in the world. And I always knew that this would work. I have this philosophy that I don't care what color you are, what country you come from, what language you speak.

We're all human beings. And fighting's in our DNA, man. We get it and we like it. I got football players that want to fight. I mean, it's crazy. But yes, I believe. But you don't imagine a level where we're talking about fighting at the White House and a lot of the other things that we've done and accomplished.

But, yeah, I always thought this would be big. I mean, you go from paying 10 million to get on TV to somebody paying you billions and billions. But now you said if I read this correctly, there's no more pay-per-view, correct? Right. Well, we had guys early on. First of all, we were the red-headed stepchild. of the Fertita portfolio back in the day. Let me tell you what.

And they had all these smart guys that worked for him that hated this thing and said, it's never going to work. And then, you know, the big thing was, you guys, if you pay your way on to TV, how do you think there's ever going to be a day where somebody's going to come to you and say, okay, we'll pay you now? But me and the Fertitas truly believe that once we introduced this to the mainstream, that they would love it as much as we did and saw what we saw in it. And that did happen.

But you had to do a lot, Dana. You had to get weight classes because in the original stages, there was no weight classes. And guys fought. I was at the first one in Denver, Colorado, in 1993. And guys fought. So you would fight, you win, you move on. You fight again, when you move on. Well, we had to get rid of the tournament style because it's not true that the best actually win.

Because too many people get hurt during the night. And now the level of fighters, I mean, these guys get banged up. They're not ready again for, you know, they're not even moving again for two and a half weeks. to some of these fights. But one of the things that I really had to do early on, I was this, I flew to L.A. yesterday and was doing some PR out there, and I did some radio. So in the beginning, I flew all around the country,

and I was speaking with, you know, remember this. When we bought this thing, newspapers were still around, right? Newspapers was how everybody got their news. So I had to fly around and meet with these 65-year-old editors, explaining them the UFC and why it was going to be. And all these guys cared about was ball and stick sports. So not only did we buy our way onto television, nobody would cover us. So we bought our way onto radio, right?

Now, radio was massive then, and you had to be good radio. Well, we'd have these fighters waking up at 6 in the morning or 3, 4 in the morning, getting dropped into the East Coast, right? And these guys would be like, oh, you know, they were terrible radio. So none of the radio wanted to talk to any of the fighters. So every pay-per-view, we would switch. I would get up at 3.30 in the morning and do a whole radio satellite tour. Then the next one, Joe Rogan would get up at 3.30 in the morning

and do a full, you know, because we both loved the sport. We were both passionate about it, and we both could talk about it. And that was how we really got started too. I mean, there's so many different pieces to this puzzle on getting this business to where we are today. And radio was just as big as buying our way on the Spike TV. But you had to also get Congress approval because a lot of states you couldn't participate in. And so you had to go before Congress and you had to get legislation. And now, if I'm not mistaken, I think you're sanctioned and all the...

In a couple of the states, it was actually illegal. So not only do we have to get regulated and be a part of their state athletic commission, we had to undo like some laws. Like, it was illegal. Yeah. So, yeah, it's been a lot of work. Yeah. It's fun to say, oh, they bought it for $2 million and now it's worth, you know,

they just did a $7 billion or $8 billion deal. You're right. There's been a lot of work to get to where we are today. Of all the things that you've done, is that and all the things that, because you're, and I don't think you're done, I don't think you're done. I don't think, I don't know what you would actually do. Wait until you see what we do in the next three years. Just every time people think that, you know, all, for instance, when we sold for $4.05 billion, right? Yeah.

Um, everybody said, you know, they overpaid, this thing's at beyond the peak, blah, blah, blah. It just, I love the negativity and I love that talk. And if you look at where we are now and what we've accomplished, wait to see what we do in the next couple of years. Wow. I can't, I can't wait. I don't. How much longer is Dana White going to be, going to be captain in this ship? I can't imagine you doing anything else.

You've so, I mean, you pop out of bed. because this is not work for you. You look forward to wake it up in the morning. Lord, please let me put my feet on the floor and let me go do my job in the morning. How much longer does Dana White? What? So it's funny.

How old are you? I'm 57. All right. So when guys, it might be the same for him. But when guys like you and I were growing up, right? You always had the older generation talking about, I'm going to retire and I'm going to be drinking, you know, peanut colladas on the beach and all this shit, right?

Go away for 10 days. days. How many peanut colladas can you drink? And I'll be on these great vacations that are unbelievable amazing. Yeah, we saw you that meeting out of that. Right. After day seven, I'm like, if I have to put suntan lotion on my body one more time, and if I drink one more of these drinks, and if I eat another crappy meal, I'm going to, I can't wait to get back to work, right? It was all an illusion for those poor guys. And you know, and to have to do, You talk about 10 days. You think I want to do this for the next 30 years?

No way in hell. Listen, whoever is going to take this over after me, I'm going to have to die for them to come in. You know what? I had a teacher that did that. He was a teacher for like 40 years. He retired a week later. Yep. I hear those stories all the time, too.

And I get it. Yes. What's next? What are you going to do? Nothing. Especially when you do. things at the level that we've done them, right? Think about what you've

done. And what it must have been like for you guys to run out of that tunnel on game day and go out and just destroy the team and win and all the stuff that goes along with it. Who the hell wants to walk away from that? Nobody. Nobody does. That's the answer to that question. Well, you definitely

have the best job of the house, ladies gentlemen. Thank you for joining us, Dana. Thanks for having. Congratulations, man. Hey, hopefully this thing is as big Saturday night as to build up to it, and if we get anything close to what we think it's going to be, it's going to be an unbelievable

evening. Here's what I can promise you, and I say this all the time. I'm the bells and whistles guy. I will put on the greatest bells and whistles you've ever seen Saturday night, whether you're there live or watching on TV, and then I hand the baton off to the fighters, and they've got to go in and deliver. They do that thing. Dana, thanks for joining us. All right, thanks for all right, thanks for joining us. We really

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