Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - MNF REACTION: Jalen Hurts & Eagles beat Jordan Love & Packers + Brian Daboll fired

Episode Date: November 11, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Monday Night Football where Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles defeated Jordan Love and the Green Bay Packers. Later, they react to the New York Giants firing Brian Daboll and the react to much more new from Week 10 of the 2025 NFL season!  Timeline:00:00 - Eagles beat Packers28:15 - Giants fire Brian Daboll33:50 - Aaron Rodgers hit37:28 - Mike McDaniel Dolphins Future43:00 - Kyler Murray's Future in NFL49:00 - Gronk to retire a Patriot52:20 - Deebo & Joe Defensive Player of the Week54:20 - Hilarious robbery story (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #Nightcap See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Upgrade to smooth, high-quality streaming with Intel Wi-Fi 6E and maximize game performance with enhanced overclocking. Win the tech search. Power up at Lenovo.com. Welcome back to Debo and Joe, I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe, please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. Hey, how you doing today, Joe?

Doing good, brother, Debo, doing good, man. Always good to be here with you. Watched another game. I know that's your type of game. No question. It's a defensive special, defensive specialist out there. D.B. Oh, yeah.

D.B. did their thing out there. No question about that, babe. Yes, sir. No question about that. Let's get on head into it, man. Let's get to it. Green Bay start off with the Rock. They actually get a good return, bro.

I think it's almost to the 40. And then, like, they just go Jacob's crazy. First down, he get a run for five. Second, they pass it, 20 for six. The next first, I think he's three yards, then second. He gets four yards, third down. He gets two. And they end up going on fourth with the quarterback sneak.

And they missed that off-size, but they ended up getting that sneak anyway. Then they write back to Jacobs. I think he only got like maybe a yard, if that, on the next play. And then that second down, boy, love, he got sack, sack. and he almost lost that rock. Did you see that? Yes, bro. That's the

Jordan Love, he was making some unnecessary plays. I don't think he played well in the game. We'll get to it. But that was just an initial one getting him out of field goal range. Like, you don't have to take a set.

He had a checkdown. He had a bunch of different places he could have went with that ball. But knocking him out of field goal range isn't good. No question. They end up having to punt. After they punt to rock,

Philly gets the ball. They was doing a lot of position of stuff. You know what I'm saying? Making sure they stay ahead of the chains or within the chains. Philly, you know, came out there and immediately they give it to Sequin. He busts him for three. Harts, hits Brown and next play for six. Then that third push area, they go for the touch push.

I don't know how they missed this one, dude. That was just make a make-up. That was the worst. That was the worst one of all time. He made contact with the defense-al-line number for the ball to snap. I'm like, how, I don't know. That had to be a straight. out the makeup call dude there's no other way that that happened second down oh do say quine he

break him a good one for 15 man and then i think it was the second down pass uh well it would have would have been a completion but he was a hertz was a little off on that one they get a false start on the third that brings him to third and ten and then i think that was where uh I thought what's the name was going to get him? They was doing a lot of that all night. Now, I think about it. They was rushing pass hurts, though. He ends up being able to shake off, you know, bust loose.

And I think he hit, was it the running back, Shipley? I think it was Shipley. On that 3rd and 10, 411, they're able to, you know, continue to keep going the next, you know, a couple of plays staying ahead of the chains. I think they get to the 3rd and 5. and again Hertz, I think he hit Smith

for what, eight right there and he just sat down. Like, like, why I know the middle dude got to keep going. Like, why you think they didn't like try and relate to that route? Like, it's third and five. Like, y'all,

y'all sitting right here. Like, I don't know, Debo. That's bad, bad boy. Yeah, I don't know. I ain't understand that because later on they did the opposite and they sat short.

on a long one, and dude was able to get it. I think they weren't trying to take the cheese, but at the same time, you got to be looking at the quarterback. If he's throwing that there, you got to be able to react. It looked like the middle backer was doing that, too, where he just straight off keep going down the field. You know what I'm saying? And then your other two, they're zoning right there.

Like, somebody got to relate to that, dude. Like, that's just way too much openness. Pitching catch. Yeah, for sure. And then I think it was the third down coming up. Jalen take off. And Cooper, he made a great play, dude. I mean, just straight punch right into that thing, bro.

Hey, you know, that's a good, that's a good defensive play. You know, they're getting into the red zone, and he was running it, and he got it right before he went to the ground. So it was a great defensive play. You want to, Hurts, you wanted to protect the ball there, but you can't, you can't blame him. That's a great play. He's ball searching.

He's looking to get the problem. Yeah, yeah, I mean, he wasn't, he wasn't, you know what? He was like that close from hitting the ground. Like that he was that close. Green Bay get the ball back. And the next nap, dude, love goes. And like, I don't know if he was trying to hand it off or what was going on. Like, he fumbles the rot.

Like, they get lucky. It bounces right back to him, bro. They recover it for, what, would they lose? Two, three yards on that or that one or something? The next play, they end up getting the ball batted down. And, what was it, third and like 14, 15, something like that? he scrambles no it was third and third and 13 he scrambled for 12 dude like he was going going for that dude yeah like who's their backup because I don't know if he he got anywhere near to

telling the lug you could have lost all that right there you know what I'm saying no for sure you got to protect this so man he's a he they franchise they end up going for it on the fourth down with the sneak and the rest finally catch it I don't know why they can't see this dude They're going to have to make that a reviewable play or something, man. Like, you got to be able to review all sneaks, pushes, whatever it is. Bro, Debo, doesn't it throw you off, though, that they are so good at even getting a Twitch for a false start. But you can't get people going all the way across the damn line before the ball is snapped and hitting the defense line. It's obvious.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you can get a little, like, when the guard, if he just moves back a little bit, they easily can throw that. If you see this dude falling forward before the ballless snap, I'm like, ref. that's it's too blatant that you can't be able to do that and if you want to put in that replay you obviously see people taking off hitting people like that it's just getting it's getting crazy yeah but they actually they they caught that one i don't know i think that's what be something that might i think there was only too short to a vote short of losing that anyway uh last year so that might be something that they'll they'll actually get rid of i don't hope they don't get

rid of i hope they just make it like yo it's a quick new york review to make sure ain't nobody jump off sides. Yeah, I just don't, I feel you. I don't think it's that, it's not that bad of a play, but you got to run it legally. Snap the ball first, and then if you guys can't be able to get under us, then you're able to get under us. But don't be able to take all before, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's just, that's just cheap.

Yeah, no question. Philly get the ball back. The Green Bay, they ended up getting, what was it, two negative plays there? But I think it's more like, just the players like slipping, right? Like, the tackle went to pull around. He slipped. He slipped, sat right there. It was all in front of Seacquan.

The next play, Seacquan, got the little screen. He slipped, you know, couldn't get off. And I think third down, they just was just playing it safe. Did a little run. They punt the rock to him. And Green Bay get the ball back. And again, they go Jacob's crazy. I think first down was a five-yard run.

Second down was 11. Then the first down, three. Second down, they ended up losing a yard. and then third down, I think he got, he got six or whatever. Was that right? Yeah, because they went in for the, you know, they tried to make like they was going to go for it on fourth down, trying to get him to jump off sides.

Ain't nobody going to do that stupid shit, you know, unless they cleave. Nobody goes, you know. See, you got to hold your water. I'm just saying, you know what I'm saying? You're right, you're right. That was just bad ball. Yeah, you know, they ended up putting the ball. And then the first play when Jailen,

up scrambling again and he throw that thing across dude i just knew somebody was about was going to book that i just the way they was playing i'm like yo somebody's going to snatch that right yeah he ended up getting eight and then again like i said them dbs was balling second down was baling bro sitting on those in there and and makes a nice breakup dude third down they get the incompletion again the db he was uh right there I think if he had threw that one, he was ready to undercut that. On the money, if it wasn't wide, I think that one could go out of six. He's gone.

No, no, no, no, for sure. That's why he threw that ball. That's why the DB was sitting there like that. He went to go break on it and the nose passes. If it was a completed pass, it had been completed to the DB. So it's either you're going to throw that ball out of bounds, brother, and be incompletion, litify another down, or he's going to take that to the trip. I think it was just an off throw.

Like, dude hadn't even really broke, broke yet for him to try and adjust in the middle of the throw. Yeah, yeah, you just, it was a bad pat. But sometimes that works out. In your favor. Yeah. Yeah, Philly, they go on head. And the punter, he shanks the ball, ends up giving it to him at the 42.

Now Green Bay got a short field. You're thinking they might, you know, they might be able to do something. But again, dude, like the D.Bs, dude, they making some nice breakups, dude. Like on both sides of the ball, they get to a, I think it was a third and eight, and he gets the ball batted down. They end up punting Philly, get the rock again. First down, they stand ahead. Sequin, he gets another seven.

They end up getting offsetting on the next play where they had a, I think they had a nice game on that one. Third and two, I think it was like a pass interference. They gave him another first, and then they go false start and a holding in back-to-back, end up going to a first and 25, bro. They end up punting the ball. They get the, they get the ball down at the eight, but they got a holding call.

They make them re-kick it. So Philly got to re-kick it, and now they end up returning it and getting the ball at, like, I think it was like the 30 or 35 or something like that. Dude, like that re-kick. You ever been on special teams when they got to do the re-kick, dude?

Yes, brother, you're exhausted. Exhausting. They don't know, you don't know how much effort you put into that one play. Oh, man, that gunner, you got to run down that thing full speed and you're getting jumped. No question. You're getting double team. You're getting beat. You're getting beat all the way down there, dude.

Man, first down, Green Bay get the ball. I love Connect for eight, I think. Jacobs ends up picking up the first down on a second down with a five-yard run. And Jacobs again, bro. another five yards second down love scrambled on that thing man i just knew he was saying i'm like i i couldn't see how he got out of that one yeah no his capability love got good your love got good athleticism yeah dude love his jacobs i think for another nine and then leading up to that next uh first down love got sack dude like this is this the one where you know this ain't the one where you're from

this this this this this had a a lot of he fumbled on the next one though this had a lot of like just coverage pressures and sacks dude like he b's yeah yeah no for sure they had they had nowhere to go with the ball and like you said on that next second down that's where you know he gets sacked and he tries to like get the ball out and throw it you know just doing too much at that time you know yeah yeah i think they were in field goal range at that point or something like that was that yeah yeah yeah like that's bro they'll avoid They was on the 27-yard line, brother. Yeah.

Philly. So that's what the thing with would love when I was watching the game, too. Like, you just can't. They was in the first drive when they was in field goal range, and he put him out of field goal range by taking the sack. And then before halftime, somehow we need to get points. And you're just doing too much, losing the rock, trying to do, just go down with it or throw it out of bounds.

He couldn't do nothing. He already had his hand wrapped up. He trying to switch it to the other hand, lose it. Like, it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, just doing too much, though, brother. I'm just saying right there, we could have had six points. We ended up losing by three, but those are just six easy buckets that we could have.

Or three. It could have been over, you know what I'm saying? It could have been overtime. Like, worst case, well, worst cases, it was what happened. They turned the ball. Worst case is what you did. Philly get the, you know, Philly get the ball back. And again, dude, they running past, they run and past hurts, man.

He scrambles. He gets out of the pocket for, you know, I think. It was like maybe three, four yards, something like that. And like, at what point do you, like, say to your pass rush, rush past this dude, man? This is not Joe Flacco. You can't rush past him and hope to circle back around. He's going to take off. Yeah.

You're creating pass. You're creating escape lanes for him. And, you know, it's coming towards the end of the half. They just do a fourth down where they're just trying to burn the clock out. They burn the clock out of bounds. It's a great half, though, man. Zero, zero, man. zero zero that's that that's that's that's my kind of game baby

no and it was defense was making plays defense is making plays they was forcing turnovers when they got into the rare zone you know what I'm saying sacking them when they were in field goal range so defenses were stepping up I knew I knew this is your type of game this is what football should look like I started realizing now Debo the more I become a fan that I become kind of not I want the defense like I don't like false false and pass interference

Like, I see offense gets away with everything, but you do kind of want to see, like, are they doing bad or is it's going good? So on some of the plays, you don't know what it is. I'm like, I like it, but like, hold on, the defense is strapping. Oh, you like, man, that's a bad pass. I'm like, no, that's a good-ass play by the DB, you know what I'm saying? So it's a little bit of both, like, both getting paid at the same time. So it's like, is that bad?

But it's like, no, these dudes are all so good, you know what I'm saying? No question. Philly come out, they get the ball in the third quarter again, staying ahead. that first play, Sequin, he runs it for seven. They end up getting to that next, I believe, first down. And he hits, he has got her for like 22. Again, this is a situation where, like, yo, like, ain't nothing in front of them this time, though. Like, so, like, keep going back.

They end up, they end up settling. And, you know, he gets it, he gets it behind them, you know. Next play, I think, Hertz missed the tight end. Like, he had that. like that would have been that would have been money right there if he was able to short that they give it to say quine he hit another six it puts some you know in that third down I think they hit got it again for eight um the first down I think he scrambled again again I think he scrambled for what another five six or something like next I think

Walker, what was it, he shot through that thing. Well, solid tackle for a negative. Oh, yeah, tackle for laws. That was a good play right there. Like, I like seeing stuff like that. They end up getting a delay a game on third down. They go to third and 12. Again, I'm thinking, you know, they're playing the safe

because they know they within field goal range. So they go ahead, play a safe. They get a, they get a field goal. First score, just what? First quarter of the game, 3-0. Nine minutes or over nine minutes left in the third quarter, bro. Three-zero, man. I'm loving this, man.

Like, this is what I like to see. I don't even know what people understand. Like, when you defensive-minded, like, I want to see everybody play good on both sides. Like, when I'm watching somebody that I don't root for, I want to see everybody play good on both sides. That way I see a good game, you know? That's kind of like when you see Pittsburgh Cleveland. I understand how you feel on that. But I only feel like that because I have no loyalty to me off.

You have no loyalty to the same. So I don't know how you can feel like that. And you say you got loyalty to both. But anyway, see, it's the complete opposite of what you're saying. You know when you don't have no loyalty to either team, it's the complete opposite.

I have all my loyalty to both teams. When you don't have none here and when you have – When you don't have none, you could just look at it from the outside. When I got it from so much, then I'm looking at it from the – we got the same perspective. just completely different. Okay, I got you. I got you. Green Bay get out there. Love hit Watson for 20. Like, you know, they moving the ball a little bit. They stand ahead of the chains a little, you know. And then Hunt, I think he made a nice play, dude, for that loss. Yes.

It was a four-yard loss. That was nice. That was nice. Second down, Love ends up scrambling for about five. And third down, dude, that was a great pass. a great pass, but he couldn't hold on to it. Dobbs could not hold on to that thing, buddy. Yeah, so you got a snatch, yeah. Oh, a day, bro. They end up going for it on fourth and nine. Oh, fourth and nine.

Here's a crazy thing. It would have been a first down if, if, who wasn't, uh, was it, uh, wasn't Milton, Melton, uh, hadn't dropped the ball. Like, that's a first down for sure. He's there, clear. In the heat of battle, squad relies on you. Don't let them down. Unlock elite gaming tech at Lenovo.com. Dominate every match with next level speed, seamless streaming, and performance that won't quit. Push your gameplay

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But dude, dropped the rock. So they end up, yeah, they end up turning it over on downs. Philly get the ball back. I'm thinking it might be a little bit of trouble. But, dude, Green Bay, they stand up, three and out. I mean, three and out, quit. Yeah, I mean, of course, with that, you know, that, what was it, six yards, negative six yards?

Like, nobody blocks. That's going to say. Nobody blocked him. He went free. He dropped Sequin. Like, how do you not block him? Like, he's right. He's one or one up front.

Like, how you don't block the D-Lignment, bro? I don't even make no sense. They end up having to punt a ride. Green Bay get it back. They start feeding Jacobs again. He'd get 11 on the first down. I think the next first down, they hit Wicks for 20. You know, later, I think he, love ends up hitting Watson for,

22, but they got that illegal formation. They killed it, bro. Kilt the whole drive. The whole drive. Again, the DBs make a nice play that repeated that second down. You know, that third down coverage is great again. He ended up having to scramble and throw it away. They punt the rock.

Philly get it back. Like, it starts to have a little bit of break. down a little bit break out. Yes. This, you can, you can only fight for so long. You can only fight for so long. Zekuan is still also getting paid

$20 million a year as the best running back in the league. So how long? No question, bro. That third, that third and seven, they gave him that little short one dude. Dude, I knew dude wasn't going to get him.

I'm like, he either go run around him or he go run over it, brother. He's going to make this man. He's going to, somehow. Something's going to, He's not about to tackle it. It's so much open space. I couldn't even see him when he first caught the ball.

Like, no. Put him in a spin cycle. All the way, spin cycle, dude. I ain't going to even lie to you, bro. If that's me right there and I'm coming up to tackle him, I'm not even breaking down. I'm going to take my shot. I'm going to shoot.

You got to shoot a line in the dark and hope that he don't think I'm going to do it. And do a stutter. All that little blowing down trying to chop your feet is going to get you broke down. Exactly what he got. Exactly what he got. Man, then the next play, Hurts going ahead and lay that thing out to Smith, man. That was a nice play, man.

That was good on good. That's how you make a play on the ball. 36-yard touchdown is 10 to Nathan. I'm thinking Green Bay didn't too much work on it. I'm thinking it might be over with. And then three-bay come out there. Brow, they go 11 plays, 77-yard score touchdown, bro. Of course, what the hell?

Big P.I. 20-plus P-I. And, of course, Jacob, he finished it off with the six-yard touchdown. Brug, it's 7 to 10 with just under six minutes left in the fourth. We got a game game now, dude. We got a game game. Philly get up out there. I think they was able to do about, what, was it,

nine or ten plays, but the big one was that third. I thought it was over. I think they got that third down completion. Third and twelve. Yeah, third and twelve to Devonte Smith? Oh, I was like, oh, that's good money. Brough, I'm like, yeah, I don't know if that's, I don't know if they're going to be able to slow this down, man.

They go and start doing a little running here and there. I think they forced Green Bay at that point to maybe call. one timeout because yeah on the third and eight they go and they pass the ball it stops the clock if they had ran it they would have used up another they'd had to at least use up another time out some time off the clock and they end up i think giving green bay the ball back with like almost 220 left on the clock or something like that yeah exactly green bay they go on here get to i think it was like a third and ten and Love connects again to that boy Watson for 25.

And it's just not out of two-minute warning, bro. Like, I'm like, yo, this could, you know, this could be interesting, dude. No, for sure. Brough, I hate that it was Jacobs, bro. I hate it had to be him, man. He was doing so well. Yes, he was.

And they tried to give him that rock. He got that first time. I think he had like four, five yards. And then he fumbled that thing. Right. Co-Filly recovered his son. I'm like, okay, they still, you know, they still got a, they got a few timeouts. They might be able to, you know, stop them.

Green Bay, then I think they ended up stopping them, stopping, stop in Saquan on the two, sayquan, the first two runs, and they had time out. So they was able to call their timeouts. And then, I don't know why they went for it. on the fourth time. On fourth and six, they threw the fade ball to, I didn't understand that at all. Your defense has been bawling. Give them room to play.

Hunt the joint down there, and then they only going to have like 20-some 30 seconds. You know what I thought, you know what I thought they were about to do? I thought they were about to do a quick kick where you snap it to the quarterback, and then they don't have a quarterback punch. They're not thinking about that. he punted and then y'all just go on cover it. That's what I'm going to do. And then I'm like, dude, they actually

threw the rock. Like, that's crazy, bro. Yeah, bro. Yeah, great, anybody get the ball back down. That first down, he throws that thing up, dude, if it wasn't for that coverage, we'd be talking about

a different score right now, I believe. Second down, they ended up getting one for 18. And then they They go for the field goal. Dude went on head and got him a quick practice kick. I see him saying, snap it, snap it. Snap it. After they called the time out, he snapped the kick.

They was like, hey. Trying to get the expert. My leg ain't going to get there, baby. All right, come on. Let the offense go back out there and see if we can't pick up a quick, you know, five, five, six yard out or something. They're not complete that. They're like, hell, ain't no time left.

They put him back out there. We got to do it. And, you know, he shranked the ball. Philly going on hit and win 10 to seven, bro. Listen, that's my type of game, man. I likes that. I don't think it'd get no better than that, baby. I feel like it was really, it was good, it was really good defense.

Like you said, Debo, on both sides of the ball. I feel like both quarterbacks definitely underperform. But sometimes, like you said, it's either the defense is doing it to you, you're applying pressure or you getting pressure applied to you. So I think them playing sticky man to man, you know what I'm saying? That made situations tough. But those, the fumble. You know what I'm saying, the in the red zones, the sacks that you're in love took.

I don't think that was good for, you know what I'm saying? Like, those are just mistakes that you took points off the ball for your team. But it was a, I can't take nothing from Philly's defense or Green Bay defense because they were out there. For me, it came down to Philly's defense played better than Green Bay's defense did. And then Green Bay's offense didn't make those chunks. Chunk plays didn't get those situational things together where Philly, they got chunk plays, dude. Like, they only had, what was it, three chunk plays all together. That was, that was, like, that's all it took.

And they did it at times that helped them put points on the board. And Green Bay, they weren't able to. The defense, I like, dude, I like seeing that. Defense outplayed the other defense. The offense made the plays when they needed to. the other defense made the place when they needed to the combination of the two they came through with the W

this is what good on good football looks like people it shouldn't be 45 to 43 and y'all think it's a great game no it's not that was trash yes like that was trash no for sure there wasn't a lot of mistackles you know what I'm saying

there's people are on their alignments assignments techniques there's red zones they're making plays when they need to like don't think the Eagles are a good offensive team. The Green Bay is a good officer team. Jacobs is a great running back. You know what I'm saying? Love, he's been able to cut people up.

When these dudes are in position, making plays, these third downs were tight coverages. You know what I'm saying? He's throwing out of bounds because hopefully, if not, it would have been to pick six. So it's really good seeing defenses like that, being able to step up, perform. And on the offensive side of the ball,

you know that there's plays to be made and there's things that were left on the field. But when you're in Philly, you're still able to walk out of that stadium with a dub knowing your defense bought out in offense, there's so much left on the bone for us to be able to score points to be able to make these plays. And both head

coaches, like, yeah, let's go be a dog fight. Like, we know what's going on. We're not going to sit here and be and break ourselves into, you know, doing ridiculous plays that we know aren't going to succeed. We go have to earn, get it down there and pick our spots of where we're going to try and get a chunk play here and there.

You know, head coaches were smart. Speaking of the head coaches, bro, they announced that they fired your boy de ball over there in uh what was it new york yeah buddy over and i think they said the um gm is stained is that right yeah right right how does that work i don't know i don't know you agree with you disagree you think it's too late too soon you you know what this is me this is what This is just my personal friend. Please tell me.

If I didn't fire him at the end of 24, I would have definitely fired him like at least three, four weeks ago. Like, you, at the end of 24, they lost 10 straight, bro. That was a franchise record, bro. Like, they lost 10 straight, okay? On top of that, maybe. he was able to talk him into saying, like, hey, it's not me. He set Jones down, and then he got rid of Jones, okay?

And then, oh, Daniel Jones went over there and showed that, hey, this ain't me over there. It was not my fault. So now you're looking back and you're like, oh, maybe it wasn't him. Recent history, you know, it shows that the ball, you can't even hold a lead to get the win. that's what I'm saying like I don't understand the don't get rid of the GM part unless you're saying the gym had no power to make any kind of decisions and you gave all the power to the head coach to make the decisions on who you get and what you're doing and everything else that's the only way I can see that you still hold on to the GM like this whole situation. I'm more of a, how do you feel about, I'm more of a coach. I like when the coach and the GM are more married to each other because you got to like work together. You're going to be giving the coach, the players, and the coach, you got to have a relationship. I like that

more. I think that works out more smooth than GM, you just get a coach to players and now he got to deal with whatever you got them, whatever you give them. Do you understand what you're saying? You know, I think that's how it should work, but I think most places, One person has more power than the other. Because when it comes down to it and I say, yes, you say no, who's the deciding. The buck stops somewhere. Yeah. Which way do it go?

Do it go to head coach way or do it, do it go to GM's way? So maybe this is a situation where it just kept going to head coach way. Maybe, you know, they're saying the interim head coach is going to be the OC. You know, and he had been there since, what, 20, 22 or something like that, he came in with, with dayball. So maybe that was a situation where dude came out of Kansas City. He was in KC for like five years, something like that over there with Pat and Homes and now. And maybe he wanted to keep Daniel, you know what I'm saying? I just like playing stuff started.

I just like getting stuff started. You know, maybe he wanted to keep Daniel Jones. He saw what it could be. but the ball's like, no, I got to get rid of him. I got to save my own ass because, like, I don't want to get fired. No, no, no, for sure. I think they get, I mean, Debo, he went 2040 and one. Double losses, dude.

Come on. 2040 and one. And then this year blew three 10-point leads. So, I mean, that's just not good. And then I think with Jackson Dart, seeing what you have there, with the getting rid of the head coach instead of GM, I don't know. how they really are doing that because I'm not rocking with the GM

I don't think as much aren't the GM the one that got rid of Saquan Barkley and Daniel Jones? Was he the same dude there? I'm thinking so. Oh man, all y'all got to go, man. I'm looking at it like at the end of the day,

all y'all got to go. We need to take care of Dart because we actually do have a pretty good quarterback. We need to get him protected with the offensive line. I think Dark needs to kind of take care of itself, protect itself. He already got them to four concussions already rookie season.

So line, being able to make sure you protect this dude and not making him get hit upside the head all the time, he got to be able to slide, get the ball out of his hands, because I like Dar. I think he's going to be a good player. Some of those too. No, he got to protect himself, and they got to not call as many running plays.

You know what I'm saying? So he got to be able to get the ball out of his hand. So I'm more with, if you're getting rid of the daybow, you need to get rid of that whole GM that made bad decisions and getting rid of Saquan and Daniel Jones. it's just a whole little bit of messed up whole thing over there. Start fresh, knowing you got a good quarterback, get somebody that's going to help out Dart that believes in them,

a GM that loves that, that believes in Dart. I think when you bring people in, you have a quarterback, you got a nice running back scatible, you have some young pieces. The receiver, too, my man, I'm never with LSU. He's been hurt all year, so you don't have your number one. Like, you're out there playing with all your pieces still aren't out there. So it's not like you don't have talent. They have talent.

You got a quarterback that I really like. You need to protect them and bring in the GM and the coach that also believe in. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like I said, I'm getting rid of the GM. Speaking of getting rid of, I guess the Steelers cut the safety, Thornhill. Yeah. Like, I don't know if that's a big move. I don't really doing much.

Like, they made like it was about to make a move move. That's the move, move. I mean, we got in the dude. Kyle Dugger, the young, the new safety 29, that he, soon as he came in, he's been playing a lot better. He hasn't been missing assignments. I haven't seen too much. Like, he's making tackles.

Communication really hasn't been too many bus. So, I mean, if you see him stepping there and I haven't seen any downfall and they said that he got a Thornton, he ended up getting demoted. So he's been playing kind of more. Right. You ain't getting no regular snaps. You ain't get no regular snaps, you know, no spot, especially as a, you know, as a safety. Like, you're supposed to be in there on them.

them nickel packages, something that keeps relevant, especially when all you're doing is special teams. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm not glad that they got rid of them, but I just seen Kyle Dugger that's in there, and he hasn't been playing bad at all. He's just been in position, not too many flashes, but if your name isn't being called,

sometimes as a DB, that's a good thing. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. Dude, did you look at the photo of Aaron, bro? Did I? I think I sent it to you. Right. Listen.

Oh, that looks uncomfortable. Can we even put that picture up, can we put that picture up, please? Man, it's right. Yeah, it's up. Screen so small, bro. Hey, that's one of them, that's one of them hits that you see a boxer get where it distort his whole face. You can't even tell us to him?

Yes. You know what I'm saying? Yes. We don't, like, jump. Catch him on slow motion We don't freeze frame my dog We put them in That's a very vulnerable position

And that's bud too No question No question So was that a sack Or was it a I think it might have been a sack I think it was a sack Like I said

I like starting talking You know I like I like you know I like starting stuff man So isn't that helmet to helmet That is for show Helmet to him You see his helmet

You think he'll get him An envelope of FedEx only reason he may not was because he was because he was running because he was running the ball but he still might get him

I mean I don't want it to happen because if that happens right here then dude it's bad he didn't lower his head he didn't do nothing he just ran over there and tackled a man he didn't even really put any knee bend into it so you find him on this man

we defense, y'all in trouble. I'm a text, bud, see if he got fine. I hope not. Check it out. See if he got fine, bro. See if he got fine. And I hope if we get fine, it's not because it's on our, because it's on the show and we like dry snitching on them.

Man, listen, they ain't listening to us. They don't pay no attention, especially if it's me. Whatever I say, they're going to do the opposite. You know what I'm saying? In fact, fine, find a hell out of him, Roger. He ain't going to do what I say. You know what I'm saying? NFL don't care, man.

Well, man, yeah, they hopefully don't find. Man, they got an NFL exec saying to Tua, his benching, and Mike McDaniels fire, and should have been done already, dude. What do you think, bro? Look, we've been talking about McDaniel Depot since way earlier, way, way, way long time ago earlier in the season. Thinking with the way that leader of men answers to questions, is just being able to like, I just don't know

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He don't want him to get let out. I don't know. I'm just, you know, I put stuff out there. You always, you always going from the devil on this side of your shoulder. I'm just trying to tell you, man. You know, it's both. You know, he'd be like, say it, say it, say it.

I'd be like, no, no, no. All right. I would, see it. I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be mad at it. Because at the end of the day, too, I just don't like with Tua I mean some games he could be amazing some games he won't I just don't really like Tua's like leadership the way that he was kind of going about

the way that he was doing things so I could say hey he rubs other just professional people the wrong way you know what I'm saying so I could see how his play and then the way that he leads a little bit could rub people the wrong way but the investment they have in him is probably why they trying to keep him out there and not put him on the bench for coach the way that he's been able to handle some of these situations the way the team has been playing, like, I could easily see why they could get rid of him and to us. So them not doing it, they're doing a good job, but sometimes just stepping up. When it gets real bad, they perform very well because they know that, you know what I'm saying,

it could be any game. They do really, really bad. They can easily get fired. The name is always on the hot seat. So I think they're doing a good job of just trying to fight for their jobs. They know it's on the line. They know everybody's talking about them. But then at the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if it already happened.

Yeah, I, um... I don't know, bro. I think, you know, well, put it to you like this. They say it's heard that Stephen Ross said he was basically giving him until at least the end of the year, if not all of the next year, to see, you know, to see where it's at, you know what I'm saying? You know, it's, I think the biggest thing for me is like, yo, I'm, I got to get rid of.

you, you're losing football games, period. That's what, that's what, that's the first thing. And then secondly, as you said, everything around you with the players, how they're getting along with each other, what, what my, what my starting quarterback is doing, how he's representing it, what he's saying, you know, I'm not, I'm not down with it. And on top of that, like, they don't get rid of nobody. And then they end up firing the two player personnel, um, guys that have been with the team since, what was it, 99, 94, like, what did they do?

You go fire somebody, you go fire some dudes that, that, that, that, been there for over, you know, 25 years, 20 plus years, like, what, what did they do to get, like, did they have some fault in this? Are you trying to figure out, like, uh, like, what powers do they have that would make it to where they're the ones that you get rid of and you do nothing about the head coach who can't put together a sentence, man. And your quarterback that's just dry snitching on everybody, don't know, you're not, you got a player's only meeting week one

and nobody is going and showing up to it. Like, you have no camaraderie, like, nothing. And you're giving the, yeah, we go try this. And you do nothing. You ain't try nothing. All you did was try to make like you was go try something. You ain't tried nothing. Like, I'm trying to tell you, man, he got, he got something.

He got to have something on Ross, man. I don't know, man. I'm just putting it out there, man. I'm just saying how the quarterback go stay around after that kind of performance. And then the responses and things that he give to why things happened or didn't happen, it's unbelievable, bro. No, I'm with you, Debo. But you know how the owners probably are right now, knowing, end of the day, they got two of their for $55 million a year.

They paid him that dough. So he kind of is not going nowhere, so they kind of living in the bed that they made. And then with the coach, I could see him getting fired, but then at the same time, when they come and beat the bills by $20 something, it's not a bad look.

Like, all right, you know what I'm saying? You could, okay, bet. Player, like we said, too, the players are professional. So even if you don't like your coach, you're going to go out there and ball because I and this guy don't lie. I'm trying to get a, I'm trying to get a contract,

letting everybody know I'm worth whatever I'm worth, no matter if I'm playing for them or I'm playing for the bills I'm playing for whoever I can get picked up if I lead this spot. You know what I'm saying? So players are going to play

they're going to perform but it's kind of like you could get rid of the coach and then he's not answering questions and then you go out there and beat the bills so I'm like, damn. But you also got to think

about the bills they probably played down to it. Yeah, no, no, for sure. We talked about that too. Yeah. You and you were in, they were in Miami, right? You're in Miami. Yep, yeah, they were on here

getting into some good weather. Man, they think about all this good weather, they just came out of Buffalo. It's cold than a Mickey Ficky up in there. You know what I'm saying? A. Chan went fed on him, and Tool was doing some decreases in a lot of them. No question. Like, I don't, yeah, I don't know. And matter of fact, let's stick with the quarterbacks.

What about Kyle Murray over there? You think he still can be like a one, you know, a number one quarterback starter? What do you think, man? In the Bell Exit said he can try baseball. they tripping out of their mind I'll see look if like if I were to Browns

I would love Kyle Emery I wouldn't be mad at Caller Murray even though they say he's sure I think he could still he could still move around he can still throw the balls What do you think they go give Cali Murray a chance

where he'll put short I understand but you ask me a question to is he a starting quarterback so I'm like I think he still is a starting quarterback I don't know if it's in Arizona he might could switch destinations

I don't know if they're still getting along or if that vibe is right. Especially even with new situation, I think it could start better for him because remember even when he wrote his contract debo and they was like, yeah, you have to study your iPad for X amount of hours. I'm like, hold to, hold.

Well, that was because he was not a guy that was known for doing the things that needed to be done even inside the facility. They're like, yo, this dude is the first dude first dude out and the last dude in. Your quarterback can't be in that guy. Look, look, how about this? How about the same thing you said with George, too?

Maybe you need another place to grow. Maybe you'll separate, give you a little time, a different scenery, people are actually believe in you, and now he knows, no, I can't be on that. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is my second chance. I got another spot. I got to show them what I'm about, and I got to prove to everybody else. I'm a winner.

You know what I can make it happen. So I don't not believe in Colorado. Murray, because the talent, his arm strength, his, his speed, his, I just don't know about the progression, but I know he can, I think he can be an NFL quarterback, solid. I think, I think he's an athlete. I'm with you. I think he can be a one somewhere, but it got to be in that, in that perfect setup. I think even him itself, he's a guy that has trouble throwing over tall linemen.

He has an issue. He has said that. And I think that's a personal issue that he has to, he has to figure out how to be able to get over and be able to adjust and still be successful because now they got to roll him out of the pocket. They got to do all of that, especially in a time where, you know, it's, it's timing passes, boom, boom, get it to him, you know, and he can't see that the dude is actually open because somebody's in front of him. He's not used to doing it. I mean, it could be done. All you got to do is, you know, go look at Doug Flutie, did it for 10 plus years or whatever. Drew Brees. But I'm talking about

that five, you know what I'm saying? Like, Drew. Three years was closer to six, I believe. He's like five, nine. Dude like five, nine. You know what I'm saying? And that's on a good day. You know what I'm saying? I think they give him more than what he really is.

So I believe he can do it. I believe he, but it has to be that right situation. It got to be that set up because the difficulty of his own personal issue is being able to get the ball out and seeing where it needs to go on time because of just, you know, because of his height. You make a good, you make a really good point. And especially when they're like, even with looking at the, always going right to

around, Dylan Gabriel, not the tallest guy, can't really see over the line. And even with Cala Murray, like you said, it's not, it's not science. If you got six, five linemen standing in front of you, you can't see. You know what I'm saying? So sometimes you might have to slide to the side, angles and throws. So tall being able to be a taller quarterback in him saying that too, like, man, some those I can't see. I'm like, damn.

I don't know if you put that means you may your anticipation got to be up a little bit like you might have blindly knowing where the routes are coming but if you can't see you can't see. I can't let that ball go not knowing exactly where it's going or if that person is completely open because I can't see the full view

of where I'm throwing it to. Yeah. Doug Flutie, he just, I don't know how he did it do. Maybe they were shorter back then. I don't know. I think a lot of interception too

though Hey look I hear bud I say I say bud did you get fine my G he said

not yet last pop now this man Hey hey I hope you don't get fine listen I'm hoping he don't get fine either

but he's looking at that too and they keep putting it up and he's like yo man just put that down like listen that's like

the the the 42 for the Steelers. What's his name? Up here. Where he did that scoop dump and everything on the, on the,

on Instagram. NFL now NFL, NFL, NFL, this NFL that, your Instagrams are like, yo, this is fully legal. So Roger, when you go find him, okay, if you find him, you might want to talk to you.

You're not going to find him. Hey, take a screenshot of it right now before they take it down. I know them dirt balls are doing. He'll go here. Hopefully he'll go for it, Pierre. And Pierre is my dog. That's what they did to me.

They sold the picture and all that. And as soon as I started saying, y'all finding me and you selling the picture, they took the picture down and canceled doing all that. The mass squadron, right? You. Dirt balls. Exploded. Yeah, you dirt balls.

Hey, man, they said that boy, Grant, go sign him with one-day contract so he could retire with the Patriots, bro. Yes, deservingly so. Did you sign your one-day contract to retire with Brown? Yeah, I did. Dude, you retired.

Yes, I did. Like, you, you, you were Brown. Everybody know you as a Brown? You know what I'm saying? Hey, man, I had to go back, though, man, and make it official like a wrestle. And I respect. I think wrong, that's a good thing, bro.

Go back there. Patriots was his spot. He won crazy ships there. That's crazy. He won crazy chips. Patriots was where his thing was. He'll go in the hall as a patriot. But when you ask Grunt, who he rooting for when the Patriots play Tampa Bay,

Gruntz. Oh, see, look, look, look. It's not even close to how much. Grunt only spent, how many years did Grom spend in Tampa, Depot? About four years. years. How many years he's been in New England? About eight, nine, ten.

Come on, man. That's more than double. What was you talking about? Like, how many years did you spend in the first, Joe? Five. How many years do you spend to Cleveland, Joe? Seven. That's a lie, Joe. That's exactly the perfect truth, Debo, and you're crazy if you

don't understand. I did 12 years in the NFL. Seven for Cleveland. Oh, so you're going in as a stellar. What is this? In the Hall of Fame. Huh? Huh?

What did you say? I couldn't hear no. How can you just say no? Because, bro, my stillers, my stil. I went to, I went to two probos when I was with the Browns. I only with the one when I was a stiller. I had 19 picks when I was with the Browns. I only had nine or nine when I was with the Steelers.

So my career was better there, too. That's why. You know what I'm saying? Okay. But so you can't, but you can't pick who you want to win. But you will go in. Joe, Joe, your words, listen, no, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, your words say one thing.

But when people's words don't allow, don't align with their actions, it's called bullshit. What part of my words don't allow it? You're going in as a brown, but yet you want to say you have no loyalty. to either one. You want to see both do well. That's more. I do. Your actions show me you're a brown.

You know what, Joe, I ain't going to lie to you. I don't want to say this. But sometimes I just don't feel the fury when we lose that I feel from you when the Browns lose. Maybe it's just because I'm so happy that the Browns lost. I don't know. That's what it is. That's exactly what it is. You're happy when I'm sad and when you're mad,

I'm also with you, but like you just don't feel that at all. You ain't on my level of it, Joe? How you're not on my level of it, but you do are still? Let me tell you why, Debo, because I'm a, you know what I do? I don't get too up and too down. I'm more even killed than you. You get real mad and real glad. You guys stay more even killed, Debo.

You know what I'm saying? Like, they're going to be straight. That's why I'm not bad mad. This is going to be straight. Come with that bullshit again. They're going to be straight. I don't want to hear that. Hell of you hate that's what piss you off.

It's just going to happen. They're going to be straight. Hell out of it. What the hell you mean? They're just going to be straight. Cuzz, man. Man. Well, who's your defense player of the week then?

My defensive player of the week? What's my man name? Number nine, four. New York Jets, he had about a four-piece on the brand of this four-piece sack. McDonald. Yeah, I think, I think he went on here and the title franchise record on you, boys. He was, single sacks in a game as a jet. He was, he was hooping.

And my man is like, they say, he's six-four, two-fourty-five. They won. I don't know how you get your player to week to somebody to lose. But go ahead. I understand. I did, too. So I was switching on that. That's the same way they get.

the MVP to the losing team in the NBA finals one time. I forgot what his name was. Lost the ship. Won the MVP. You, yeah, bruh. Bro, I'm definitely going to have to look that up.

That's sign crazy. I'm going to go with you. I'm going to go with you there on the defensive player. I'm with you there on that. You know what I'm saying? Man did. Man did what he had to do, man.

You know what I'm saying? He did. And he won the game. Yes, he won the game. You play to win the game. You understand. Hey, matter of fact, man, did you see that thing that was said, man,

the dude from Troy up there, man, he went on here and robbed a gas station, bro, up there in Michigan, dude. See, he got a chair. Hey, man, look, hold on. God to be more careful. Hey, bro, listen, I'm going to tell you the truth. What do you think happened?

Debo, you don't let you go. Cut your camera off. I'm going to let you go. You're going to let me go? You tell me what do you think happened here? Why do you think

this whole situation happened? Man pulled to 8K-4-7 robbed the stove and took off. What do you think happened, Joe? What led him to do something

so dark and nastily I don't know the AK-47 robbing that I thought he robbed the barbershop I would get

he robbed the gas station yes sir yeah I don't know Debo just give me what you think Joe just give me something come on Joe you got to have the imagination

you got to have something what would you what would you comment on this Joe what would you you rob a gas station for the AK-47? He had a bad day.

He had a really bad day, Debo. What do you think? So. Because my band's Joe is pushed back. So, ridiculous. As you look at that, where is it right here? Or is it over here?

As you look at that over here, okay, because it's opposite mirror on the screen. As you look at that, I'm going to tell y'all what happened. that is a fresh cut, okay? Listen, you can tell by all the lines on it, that is a fresh cut.

Now, this is a, this is a booking picture, right? He did not go, this is mugshot. He did not go and get a fresh cut before they came to arrest him. They push that man, bro, I've never seen anybody get this. Listen, Joe. Listen, Joe, I'm trying to tell you what happened, Joe. Go ahead. Go ahead.

So with that being the case, this is what I think happened. Okay. My nigger went in there to the barbershop. Yes. Got fresh and clean. You know, after you get your haircut, you're feeling a certain way about yourself. You're feeling real good. the man goes

into the gas station he got his walk his talk he goes to do something maybe get something do something the cashier

that's over and go my dude and then the cashier said I'm gonna see you around like this my dude said

oh no you won't He went to the car and he got the AK-4-7. He ain't even want to rob the place. He just wanted some respect, okay? He thought he had it gone. He then found out that he didn't. He went in there and just to add a little insult. He wanted to just scare him.

He said, hey, give me the money to, okay? And then he ran up out of there, okay? That was strictly on. the haircut. That was it, bro. Did he make, but this is what I'm saying, Debo,

how did he make it out of the barbershop? Did he not look at a barbara before the left? What are you talking about? He asked for that. He thought it was it. They gassing him up in the barbershop talking about that's clean,

bro. Look at Stephen A. Man, he said that's clean too. Stephen A. My guy. Let me, let me tell you this, Debo. In no world,

all that light skin spots on his head, that's all was covered with hair. before. They pushed this man back so far. There's no way the front middle part is that bar back. I'm trying to tell you he's not leaving the barbershop if they pushed him back that bad and he got the AK

in the car because everybody in there got to get laid down. Okay? Everybody in the barbershop, they need to go check the barbershop. Everybody in the barbershop must always... Whoever barbershop this man go to, don't y'all show up there. Listen, he asked for this, Joe. This was not no accident,

dude. He asked for this man, okay? I'm trying to Hey, I'm trying to... Listen, Joe, look, I got a bald head, Joe. Okay? You know why I got a ball head, Joe? Because my top is glass and I got a sunroof all the way in the back. Okay?

Yes. My top is glass. My sunroo right here in the back. If I did that, I deserve everything I got coming. Debo, but that's why he need to just let it go. He need to go bald. I'm trying to tell y'all. officers of the law

man don't took enough of a beating y'all go on head and let him on out man he got he got his head hey man don't be doing all that because you got a hair line make sure my top ain't falled off

Deepo guy put your hood back on man you want to wear a hood and all that put your hood back on man oh man hold on man make sure my top man he made me scared about making sure my top

yeah that's what happened man I feel sorry for that yeah for sure for show let me hey let him on out man that took enough of a beat all right come listen here man we really appreciate y'all being here with us man we go be back here again on friday as we do that good Thursday ball joe yes sir hey guys man make sure y'all like subscribe dbo and joe we appreciate you guys guys watch Let's get it. I will see you on Friday. And we out.

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