Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Bears beat Patriots on TNF + TJ Watt Trade Rumors

Episode Date: October 23, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden react to Week 7 of the 2026 NFL season where Drake Maye and the New England Patriots defeated Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears on Thursday Night Football, trade rumors surrounding Pittsburgh Steelers star TJ Watt yet again, and much more! Download PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $150 instantly in Lineups if you win your first $5 Lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE New customers get 40% Off with code DEEBO&JOE at http://GLD.com Timeline:00:00 - Intro11:34 - Bears beat Patriots23:11 - Steelers fan event canceled in Paris37:03 - Should Steelers move on from TJ Watt (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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How you doing today, Joe? Brother Debo, you know me. You can tell when I'm in a different arena, when I'm in a different location, I'm back out in Mexico. Your ass ain't learned no lesson yet, huh? Chill out, Debo, it took, it's been five, six months now. My past. That's all it takes to you, huh?

Me and my people are all together. They love me. I love them. We are good to go. I'm out here, me, Casa Su Casa. It's my home girl's 40th birthday. Happy birthday, Jess.

Mm-hmm. Happy birthday, yeah. Thank you, thank you, thank you. You go to pick your ass up out there in Mexico. Boy, you ain't learned nothing yet. Boy, you ain't learned nothing yet. Dibbo, no. Kind of like their calves ain't learned how to, you know,

hold on to a lead, you know? I'm going to tell you something, Debo. It was, I'm going to win-win. Here we go with this bull's spit again. I've seen the game. I said, oh my goodness, guys, I can't lose. Do you see what's happening right now? Like, it's early.

First game of the season. What did we? Like, we got 82 games, Debo. The first game, I got my calves playing against the Philly, Dauphia 76ers. Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, 76ers. Braun taking the, he's taking the chopper, you know what I'm saying, from Fanatics, Facility, House. Let's see how it works. And they beat.

They beat the Knicks first. And then they messed around and slid past the calves. I would, you know what I'm saying? So I don't know, Debo. Philly looking kind of nice. Cavs, we still in the mix. We still got, we got time. We got time and distance.

You need to get yourself together. How do you go say it's a win-win? So I guess Philly. It's early. But like your second home, huh? No. LeBron James. Wherever LeBron James plays,

I don't give it damn about Philly. I don't give it damn about Miami. I don't give it damn about them, L.A. No. Wherever LeBron James plays, that's going to be my squad alongside the Cleveland Cavaliers. Oh. Yeah, hey, you need to do something about that.

Do you understand that, though, D'Bow? I don't, I don't understand it. I hear what you're saying. I understand what you're saying, but I don't understand it. I don't know how to. It don't make sense. It does make sense.

No, it don't. For a city that you say is all, did all this stuff for you, were so supportive of you, all of this, how they made you feel at home. It's okay that you all lost to LeBron. LeBron made you feel like that.

I love LeBron James since I was a child. So that's my favorite player. I went to my success for the tomorrow. What are we talking about? Cavs obviously beat LeBron. He's going to have to figure it out. He's in Philly.

We lost by a little bit. So I think the Cavs can still make it happen. We're going to see each other in Easter Conference finals. I'm winning regardless. I think that's what you failed to realize. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

You don't make no sense, dude. I do. Zero. Zero. You let one person dictate where you are going to show your support. That's wild. Debo, I'm just trying to figure out,

do you, are you a fan? Who's your favorite basketball player of all time? Michael Jordan. Okay. Were you a fan of the Bulls when he was with the Bulls? Was you rocking with the Bulls or no? Yeah. Okay.

When he left and when he played for the Will, Did you not also root for the Wizards and want Michael Jordan to succeed? Or were you still with Chicago? I was still in Chicago. So, no, is Chicago your team right now? I ain't got no team right now. You sound nuts. So now you just right with Chicago.

You're, you're foggy. Debo, you're actually foggy. That's what you're saying right now? You want to know, you want to know? Yes, please tell me something. I'm going to be 100. Right now, you're jinky promoters. Right now you're making me.

I can't listen, listen, listen. What's up? I can't really be a fan of anybody that I don't personally know. No. Okay. So for me to be a fan of someone, I don't know how to do that unless I have a personal connection to them. I will support people or hope that they do good because I may have an affinity for them,

or I may like just their play or their personality from what it is that I could see on the outside. Yeah. But for me to say I love someone I do not have a personal relationship with, it's diabolical. I have a personal relationship with LeBron James. That man was in Cleveland looking out, hitting my phone personally. Hey, Joe, come to the party. We got a little birthday thing going on. Oh, my goodness. You're LeBron James. I looked at you as when I was 16 years old. I'm a big fan of you. And now you're showing me love as a man. You don't have to hit me up. I play for the Browns. But like, yeah, that's Brown. I love you. Because before I even knew who you were,

I was in Florida trying to do my thing. I get drafted of the Browns. You go to Miami. I love you, Braun. You come back, you hit me. You hit me. You're Rich Paul, the homies. What are we talking about?

I have a personal relationship. You say that. It makes sense. You're enamored by status. I understand. I got you. Shut your mouth. You said you got to know somebody personally,

And that's what I said. And now it's, now it's just saying, Joe. I'm just saying, you had to bring up other people. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying you ain't, you ain't just stick it to, you ain't just stick it to brown. You ain't just, hey, man, you know, I know. I know, now I'm just, now I'm just, now I'm just, now I'm just name dropping. I know, I know, I'm saying.

I don't know, man. Like, I don't understand. Talk to your people here right now and tell me or tell them. Tell your Cleveland faithful why you're happy. That feeling won and beat the cat. I didn't say I was happy. You said it was a win-win! What the freak is that?

It's 82 games. We lost one by a little bit. Cabs. We know what time is. We know who we have to be to get to the ship. Philly, you know what it is? We'll get to the ship. So I'm just, I got two dogs in a fight.

Dibo, stop pulling up your phone. No, no, hold on. Stop that. I know you. Wait a, wait a minute. I'm listening. I'm talking, I'm talking to somebody named. Gil.

Dan. Tell Dan. He said, keep your ass in Mexico. Don't come back to the States. Tell Dan. Tell Dan. Hey, where you at? Where you at?

Tell me where you at? Because I got some cartel friends I'll be talking to. Nah, Debo. You just know, I'm out the country. Keep me safe. Keep me safe. Okay. I was just saying, I know, I know, you know, some old friends I used to know down there.

You know what I'm saying? You know, you know, I ain't. You're going to say nothing about who they were. You kept me safe last time. Yeah, but you ain't listening. You know what I'm saying? No, I'm back. Hey, I'm talking to the same.

The people you put me in touch with last time, that's who I'm rocking with right now. So we're good. We're good. Okay. Thank you. We're going to see. Look here, man. The Bears went out there and defeated the Patriots, man.

30 to be more careful. 30 to 24. It wasn't as close as that. But, man, let's go ahead and run through this game real quick, man. Let's get it. I think the Bears, they ain't. ended up starting off with the ball. And they get, no, it wasn't the various.

No, it was New England. They started off with the Rock, brother. They went out there and they think it was, what, second to 10? May got to Stevenson for about 19. After that, it was nothing. They got to a fourth and five. And they would actually go for it. And they would get sack turnover on down.

I mean, Chicago get the ball. It starts, what, near field right there. And I only had to make one play. I think it was Williams. he hit a burden for what 26 right there Yep They ended up settling for a field goal Forty-yard field goal

It was good New England get the ball Defense pounds them out They get them three and out Up out of there Chicago gets the ball back They end up getting a three and out Because they get an encroachment

That pops it to third and two And then they go fast start They put them back to third and seven They got to punt the ball And fourth down Defense get out there And shut New England down again Caleb get out there

second down I think he hit Loveland for about 11 then second to nine it was Williams to that man Byrd for 58 bro Swift would swim in his

Yeah my feet My teeth Yeah yeah yeah Get it get it right Get it right You go ahead Swift Would finish it off

With a four yard touchdown They go up 10 and nothing Right there New England would actually come out And answer after that Was third and two May we hit What's the dude's name

Raydie Ray did something something? Yes. 15 yards. The next one, it was another third and one. I think it was 12. They ended up going there.

And then it was first. And May went to Henry, 16 yards. Followed by Stevenson for 13. And then a second in goal. May would finish it off with a seven-yard touchdown run after the review. It's seven to ten. Game is popping. It looks like something going to go down.

But Chicago will get right back out there and get a, field goal after converting the fourth and one. I think they were 100% on fourth down. They had another fourth down later in a game that they ended up converting. I think that was on a penalty, though. Yeah. So they go, they kick a, I think it was only a 31-yard field goal right there. 13 to 7.

And right here is where it would go a little off the rails from New England. They would work their way all the way down to the 15-yard line. And first down, May would be intercepted in the end zone. zone from there. That's just a bad ball, Debo. True. How do you, I don't even know, like, it wasn't even over or he didn't really have to jump.

We just had to reach. It hit him, it just had to turn around and get hitting the chest with it. Just catch the ball. Don't drop it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what he was looking at there. Maybe he was just trying to put too much touch on. You know, sometimes they're trying to put too much touch on.

Yeah, that's not good, NG. Yeah, Chicago would go out there and do a whole flip around, reverse. they go 10 plays, 80 yards, only, what was it, three minutes, over three minutes, three minutes, 11 seconds. And they would get that big giant third and 17. A.A. sitting there and... What's your favorite scary podcast? Radio presents the soundtrack to your October.

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Like, that's, what, at least a 10, maybe 14 point turnaround, depending on the day. Like, you got, you got swings like that. That's crazy. But I don't know how he did it, bro. Two plays. Debo.

Come on, man. Yo. We're talking about, playing like when they start playing so passive and being so bad. I'm like this, dude, what the fuck? Play normal. Like, they don't score on you on normal play. So just play normal.

Safety's backup just a little bit. But like everybody doing. Dude, everybody was making like somebody else was going to make that tackle on that second play, bro. Why has everybody looking at him? Are we running next to him watching TV? I'm like, what are you doing? Tackle the man.

Yeah, man. They let Stevenson take a little dump, 58 yards. Now it's a game again, 14 to 20, end of the half. I couldn't believe that. But Chicago came out there. It was like, yeah, that was tricky. We didn't, we was playing with y'all. No.

We got, we went on up out there and started third quarter. And boys said, hey, we doing this. Nine plays, 72 yards. Touchdown. Taylor would connect with Loven on that one both times for 47 yards and a touchdown. the, what was it, 14 yards on the last, on the last one, 12 and 14 on the last one. That would be the touchdown. They now go up 14 to 27.

New England would come out and they would answer. And he would finish with connecting to the same cat. What is it, Ray? How do you say the dude's name? Don't get me lying. So it goes, yeah, yeah, whatever. You get 30 yards in the touchdown, brother. Okay.

So we go on ahead and they switch back and forth. A couple three and outs. Chicago gets the ball back and they would go, what is it, 13, 14 plays. They would convert another fourth down and one. That was the fourth down and one. That was the second one that they converted. But it was a little bit.

And then they would then get to the other fourth down and they would go for a 53-yard field goal and miss. This is the opportunity to go ahead and get up out there and put some points on the board. New England step out there and defense said, uh-uh. Three and out. They sack the man on second down over with.

They got to punt the rock back over. Now, Chicago goes out there and they're just trying to burn up the clock a little bit. I think they end up using up, what was it, five minutes, just over five minutes, just under five minutes, and end up kicking a 58-yard field goal because your boy got sacked. You got sacked on that third down. yards. Why these announcers keep talking about they're out of field goal range? As soon as they say that, they're like,

oh, I can't get 38 yards. I understand. They think Debo once they get past the 35-yard line, I'm like, dude, these dudes are kicking 58, 60-yard field goals, attempt so, like, it's not out-of-field-go range. It's not a good play. For sure, we lost yards, but they can kick them just

60 yards, easy. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. Lague getting stronger or the ball. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. I think Lade getting stronger. New England, they only get the ball back. What was it? 42 seconds or something like that. They end up scoring field goal. They go for the on-side kick.

They don't have a game over. Bears recover. 24 to 30. Game pop. Yes. Joseph. What's up, my brother? What happened?

I'll tell you what happened. Caleb Williams, Bears, did they think. I would say the bulls, the stuff that happens, the TD before the half, you can win and lose games on little, little things. You know what I'm saying? So I think, stop them. Make a tackle.

Make a play. You play the whole game. You do what you got to do. But like little things like that in the days 30 to 24, you have a chance to legitimately leave with seven off the board. Like, if that played has a half-time, 13 to 14 up. That's what I'm saying. So if you get, like, games are one, two, three plays,

but when there's really legitimate 10-point swings, it's like this, damn it, no matter what, like, you guys lost that game right there. It was tough. You can go back to penny pinch and everything, but like, you scored 24 points, but you gave up 30 ball. So, like, it's, it's tough to see,

but that's how you get your, that's how you lose. That's how you get your act. That's how you get your, that's how you lose, you know. Yeah, I think when it, I think, I think when it comes down to it. But man, I think the bearers just had more explosive plays. They put up, you know, more points in the red zone. That bigger, their inception was like, like key.

You know, that's a bad, that boat. Those two, that the interception, that's a bad ball. Like, he hit the man in the chest, you bow. Yeah, you got to, you got to, you got to protect the ball. They just, they just made more plays where New England didn't, didn't make the plays up. I think Chicago did a better job of converting opportunities point-blank period. Like, fourth downs? Yeah, their third downs wasn't nothing, but they went 100% on their fourth downs.

They converted their fourth downs. They was three or four in the red zone. I think they were, was it, 75% right there. You got New England. They were one or two in the red zone. They only got down there twice, but they locked in for one. And then, like I said, Big Blaze. Burden, he was, what, four for one-thirty a touchdown.

And then you got a catch as a what is it, 26, 58, 37 and 24. Come on, Debo. The interception that could have put you off from 713 to 1413, you would have been up at the half going in. And then you got them coming back out and just, you know, 13 plays just under three minutes, like, you know, and they go and do that whole point swing around from the interception. Mm-hmm.

Right before the half, although you did come back and do two plays and score a touchdown, you had already gave up, what you had gave up, you know. Caleb did good, man. What was it, 22 of 33, 308, two touchdowns. He got no turnovers. That's good ball. Yeah. Yeah.

Byrdon had 130 of that in the touchdown. And then tight-in-loven, he had seven, he had seven receptions, 68 yards in the touchdown. You know, and Caleb, when he needed to, he used his legs to get around, you know. But Chicago's defense is actually good, bro. You know, the number one? And what? Number one, defense as of right now, total. I did not know that, coach.

Yes. if they can do that and they're scoring 30-tham points. And they, yes. Come on. Like, what we were saying, we keep a team with 14 points and we can score 30. Like, offense wants to score touchdowns every time. Defense is trying to get the ball back to the offense.

It's a simple game when you think about it like that. Like, Caleb, you go score, defense, get them off the field, get the ball back to us. You try to score every fucking time and you guys get us the ball. So, like, that's the team. That's real stuff. Yeah, it's not a It's not It's not looking bad over there in Chicago

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You gotta make sure my boy is good Yeah, Look here, man, are my stillers. Who? Our? My stillers. I almost look and said are, but I keep forgetting that you were a full fan now. You're going to left the Cavs.

You're a Browns fan for sure. I'm a Browns and Cavs and LeBron fan. I don't know what is wrong with your hearing. I think the AirPods is messing you up, but I'm trying to tell you. Braun, Cleveland, duh. That's all I'm trying to tell you. When you're going to start wearing your Philly gear?

See, that's what I'm saying. I mean, I'm chilling right now. I'm chilling right now. I'm chilling right now. That's a little. Come in here with the Philly gear on. You're going to get pop. I'm going to tell you this.

You ain't going to be able to return to Cleveland. Look, I'm going to tell you this. I'm not going to wear the jersey after Braun beat the calves. That's fucking crazy. You know what I'm saying? Oh, you got it, though, huh? Wow. Huh?

That is, that's crazy. I got LeBron James High School jersey. I got his All-American McDonald's jersey. Any team that LeBron James plays for, I'm obviously going to buy his jersey. Okay. Debo. What do you expect from me?

The Pittsburgh Steelers are playing in Paris, okay? Magnet. My, stillers. are playing in Paris, okay? I need to bring my five. Look here, man. He need to make sure they protect it. Well, here goes, though.

So I got five. Because of the Paris protest, the Steelers, you know, they were forced to cancel their fan event ahead of the game. Oh, for sure. So when the Steelers, I guess they were supposed to have

like a little fan event over there somewhere that they had going. on at, what's the name of the place? I guess it's one of those areas where they were having these, these protests and all that. So it's called, what is it, Bastille? Yeah, so it's a bestil, it's a neighborhood, where they're already having, you know, violence and all these demonstrations,

and then they got some more planned. So they call it protests, but they're tearing and burning up shit, okay? I guess that's how you protest. Anyway. So when it come down to it, yes. It's a smart thing to do. But I'm just trying to figure out

if you canceling like a little event like that, they only got like, you know, maybe 100, 200, 200, 200, 200 people. You know, why don't you like... They ain't going to be 70,000. They ain't going to cancel a game. Because the NFL said they had to increase security. with coordinating with the French and U.S. department and have, you know, so make sure that it wasn't, with no real safety concerns, no, you know, no disruptions.

You know, they wanted to make sure everything was going good. But it's a game going on. And Joe, like the neighborhood that there's stuff going down at, they're saying, you know, they don't want to go there because it's going to be dangerous. but I guess it's okay that the actual game itself is, oh, it's a whole six, seven miles away. The game itself is a whole six, seven miles away for that. So six, seven miles. Yeah, I guess.

So, I mean, I'm just trying to see. So it's serious enough for you to cancel a fan event, like small scale, you know, fan event. But not a game. Yeah, that's going to have thousands of Americans there, you know, probably. And then you got, you know, tens of thousands of just fans and other people that's going to be coming to watch it, you know what I'm saying? And now you got to worry about, you know, transportation. You got to worry about, you know, people out there. And, you know, I guess that's cool for them.

It's just not safe enough for y'all to, like, go there. Like, so I'm just trying to figure out, like, you canceled the small. event, but you keep the big event going on that's going to bring tens of thousands of people. But you ain't go, you ain't go cancel the game where maybe, like, do something else where maybe move it, you know, something like that, you know. They ain't cancel that game, though. You know, Dan Well, they ain't cancel that game. They got broadcast and the streaming money deals on the line through, what is it, 2033.

Okay, don't forget to collect the bargaining agreement. It ends in 2030, okay? Go ahead. We go like this. It's about that paper. It's all about that paper. I'm going to tell you this right now. We talk about player safety.

We talk about taking care of the players. There's real full-blown. Protests going on out there. Fires all over the place. They're running up in people's stuff. They got going on. Real life out there. And now you're going to cancel the little signing.

You know what's up. But now we're going to just bring Steelers fans. Normal Americans out there don't need nothing going on. we can have the game here. Chill. It's all about that paper. It's all about the, like you said, Amazon, fucking Netflix, all of this dough. If you want to talk about player safety, we're bringing us into a spot that's having

legitimate deriding. And now we're just going to bring our little happy asses. Demonstrating, Joe, Demonstrating. Demonstrating my ass. I've seen a lot of fires. So I'm going to tell you this. You're going to bring the whole goddamn league. And now, oh, yeah, we need some more security.

Obviously you do, yes, you can stay right here back at the crib and be good to go. But it's bigger than like, when you talk about player safety, player safety is not bringing teams, players, families to a whole situation. That's not okay. We can stay right where we fucking are and have a great game and be good to go. But it's though it's things that's going on, it's a bigger picture. They got some whole other things going on. No, the show must go on.

What are you talking about? Is it about safety or is it not? Like, now you're going to say, oh, we're terrible. No, you're not. You're putting everybody's life in danger. We're going out here, wilding. I would stay right here, be chill. It's just cool.

But in the day, dollars makes, dollars makes sense. He can't tell nobody nothing. They're going to go out there in Paris. And hopefully my boys are protected. Everything's good. I want everybody to be safe. But we talk about, it's a football game. We're going to where shit.

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and that collective bargaining agreement, you know, it ends in what, 2031? That's the issue they got to deal with in itself because their network contracts that they have right now don't end until 2033. So if the NFLPA has any sense, they won't do any deal before that contract is up so they can hold some bargaining chips and power because that would be two years that. no networks would get any football. And that's a lot of money. Plus, you know, I think it would be like the network's going to be like, yo, you breach contract, you know, it's going to be some money that you're going to be missing.

Plus some damages on top of that, that you go have to end up paying them back, you know. You have to be able to protect everyone at this game, even the people that's going to the event. The fans. exactly the fans i'm like you cancel hey listen though when it come down to it this is part of what they say

nine games that the NFL has international games that are part of you know a pay program or or whatever it is the NFL does to get uh to

people have to pay to be able to watch these games across international. And plus, they want to pick up, you know, that other side over there. I'm in Mexico right now, Debo. I couldn't get the Thursday night football game on the prime because you're in a whole different area. So we got to try to figure out how to watch the game. More bread.

They figuring it the fuck out. They got us waffle. I'm sitting here, again, Thursday night football, let's go. We can't get the game. I'm like, we're trying to resout, log back in. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? I got a shoulder one with my dog. I need to know what the hell happened.

Right, right. NFL's getting that dope. They got to get that. Listen, when it comes down to all of it is about dope, this is the thing I would say to Roger, man. Roger, good deal. Like me and Roger, we, we are, we ain't cool. We're cool. I guess we're all right, you know.

But the question I would, like, want to ask is like, you know, the stillers canceled their fan event because of safety concerns. Yes. Maybe, again, 100, 200 people that, you know, maybe. there. But when you got a game, thousands of Americans will be over there. Plus tens of thousands of other fans and people watching the game, they're alive. You know, I know y'all beat up security, but what would actually trigger y'all enough to cancel or relocate the game to a different site? Like, how much of your decision is being influenced right now by TV deals, sponsors,

obligations, you know, the money that you're invested into the intention of the international reach. Everything, Deepo. That's what you all need to do. You know that. All reporters to do, go ahead and ask Roger telling Debo want to know he's just curious. He did just, just, just look. No harm, no foul. I got a question.

I got a question. I'm telling you just right now. Debo, literally, when you see the riots, riots are where I'm going to. I don't give a damn a protest. Process. I don't give a damn how much police you got, though. If motherfuckers run up on the Steelers bus, what you're going to do? You're going to start shooting them?

You're going to start shooting them? Like, there's real live riots. They're taking over the streets. Like, at the end of the day, when we got the Steelers, professional athletes riding on the bus, going to the spot. They ain't worried. I'm just trying to tell you. I'm telling you. Andrew Rogers was asked about.

It's trouble. And this is what he had to say. Great thoughts about the security situation here in Paris. I've seen news coverage of different demonstrations and things like that. I haven't seen it. Yeah, I definitely think that the NFL is alert to what's going on. This game means a lot to the NFL. If it was unsafe, then I'm sure we wouldn't be here.

He just told you. If it was not safe, he's sure they wouldn't be there. deep. Do you think Arod does not want to be there? I do not think Arod feels protected. I think he's saying something that he does not get fined. I think he was on some Marshall Lynch just now.

I'm here just so I don't get fined. Like, what's he going to say? Obviously, he knows. He's like, you guys see the situation, but I don't think the NFL is going to have us here if we're not going to be safe. I don't think Arod wants to be there at all. I don't think he thinks that it's safe.

I think that he sees the same stuff that we're saying we don't. He doesn't have to be out there. But he's a professional. He's trying to not get fine. He's going to say what he got to say and then try to keep a question. He ain't going to do nothing like that. Do you think he feels safe?

Didn't he just say it? Okay. He said if it wasn't, they wouldn't be though. Okay? I hear you. I'm telling you this. I don't agree. Joseph, you can say what you want to.

I'm gonna go and believe was being said the way it said and I seen the video how he said it I'm not reading in between the lines I don't do that you normally but what

that's what you always do and now you don't want to read between the lines now you just want to take him for what he says I'm taking my face value for what the man said wow first time I ever heard you do this the whole time we had two about 200 shows Well, first time I've seen you go to face value. First time ever.

I think he might have been on some little, little bit of awesco. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was on, yeah. He was on that upper. He was on a hybrid. No, sir. Hey, Joe, man, look, yeah, I'm just going to go on here.

Getting into some most of the news. I guess we got a guy, man, that writes for the athletic. What's the thing? Mike DeFabo, Defabo? What are he talking about? He suggests that distillers should trade, move on from T.J. Y. He said distillers probably want Watt to finish his career in Pittsburgh, but personally, I'd go into a soft rebuild mode in 2027 and would consider moving Watt for a first round pick to make it happen. it's unreasonable to think that could it's not unreasonable he said to think that that could be conversation considering how he's playing and what the Baltimore Ravens were prepared to give up for a 29 year old max cross be

Joe look here. This is what I'm going to say on this. Okay. Talk to me. So I guess whoever this is, he's a writer. that's why he's right um he also made a couple other suggestions that uh it was one it was keep watt um highsmith and herbert together this year which is and then considered trading uh high smith around 27 to draft of 27 potentially trading watt for first round selection so here's the issue

as i see it i'm gonna put my dame that on all right now i'm i'm a t j supported you know that but big time bit time well i'm also i'm also i'm also i'm also i'm also i'm also a realist like j's 2027 salary is fully guaranteed that's 32 million dollars that's fully guaranteed on that so trading him i don't know how many teams are going to be willing to trade that big of a bill for a guy that'd be what 32 then or it's 32 now yeah okay so if we if we were looking to move t jay the that we should have been like ready to move. TJ was after the 23 year going into the 24. Now, he had, what was it?

That was 21 was the year he had the defense's MVP. He had 22 and half sacks. A year after that, he ended up getting hurt. Yes. That was 22. I think he only got five sacks. Now, 23, he came back with 19. That would have been the time to make a move for him.

You could have got a mild scared situation where it would. have been a two and two ones and in a deal. Yeah. Now it's not going to happen. What? 32 now. He would be turning 33 and 27. Yeah.

And like you think a team is going to like a first isn't just not going to happen. Like I, and I, much as I, you know, I hate to say it. Like I'm putting my GM out. Like after 27, like that's still a year left. And then his last year was like four. 46 million, something like that. So if there's me, it's like a 99.99% chance that in 27, they release him or say we need to pay that. Yeah.

I would say for me with T.J. Watt, the highest paid outside lineback is going to get $50 million a year. We signed T.J. to this $40 million a year deal three, four years ago. So I'm like, I'm trade value, like you're saying, how many people are. really willing to, can we get, what can we actually get for T.J.? I think T.J. is great. I think we need to keep them. We signed up for the deal. He's being able to play. And when he's healthy, he's going to give us bawling numbers. So $35 million, when we got dudes making 50 at the position and he's homegrown. T.J. is one of those dudes I'm like this, I, like, don't get rid of him if you don't have to. He's Cam Hayward.

He's going to build your program. He's not doing nothing wrong. He lives, sleep, drinks, football. So, like, the only time the TJ has a performance is when he's actually hurt. And that sucks, but, like, it's the league. We got him $35 million a year. Outside line breaks him making $50. I like TJ for the team and everything. So if I'm going to stills, I'm going to keep them. And I think his other teams like...

No, his last year is 46, brother. 46? Okay. But look, we got 30-something this year, 46 next year. Added up that's 70 million for the next two years, 35 each. Like, I don't look at like, oh, it's 40-something. this year, but this year is 32, so we're getting the form of steel. And the next year is just a little bit more. So, like, in the day, that's 35 for two years in a row.

I'm not going to get the penny pension with T.J. Watt. When we have Nick Herbick, when we have Highsmith, when we have... Exactly, but you got to realize something in that same time. Highsmith is coming up. Hi. The... Bill got the young guys. At some point, you're going to have to switch out. You're going to have to get...

We already have Herbic right now. Right. gave him that big deal. Highsmith is on the same type of time as TJ, and I'm looking at it like this. As a Steelers, you got Highsmith making $18 million a year. You got T.J. making $40. When High Smith's contract up. Yes. Is that same thing, T.J. Both of them have one year, right? No. Highsmith got one. T.J. got two. Okay. So. TJ on contract for 28 for 46. Man, and I hear what you're saying. Now, don't forget.

Like the two guys behind him that they rotate. Remember, they're going to take for. You think this, you might can get some more. Just being honest, I don't want, you might can get the great value for Highsmith at the end of the day. Because we signed Herbic. We got Swat. I like Swat. Swat is going to be there.

He can start doing the Cam Hayward deals, like not resetting the joint. But you know, you're going to be here. You're a life. And that's why I said they would ask for a renegotiate. No, for that last year. Respectfully. And I think T.J will be down for that, too, to be here. Know what it is.

like, okay, I don't need to be the highest, but like 30 something, you know, that's good money. So I think him, Herbic, and then I think Highsmith love, and when I say this, it hurts me because you don't want to be getting rid of your dues. Highsmith's a dog, but you can, I think we were able to get great value for Highsmith if we wanted to try to, like, trade him because he's younger, 16 and a half million dollars a year, and now he's going to be, you just sign him for a new deal. But, like, I, that's where I would go. I wouldn't try to get rid of it to him.

because I don't know if we can get what we want for him the first round. I understand what you're saying. Think about this, too. You get him for one more year. Say he'd say, all right, pay cut. I ain't taking a pay cut. Shit. He said, I need a pay cut, but you don't want to extend me more years.

Because you know that's what they're going to try and do. They're going to give him an extension. 33, 34. Yeah. A little, they can probably do a little two-year, a little two-year jump, two-year extension. Right. So we do a two-year extension, and we're in the same position, though.

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