Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Big Ben Talks Steelers Offseason, Aaron Rodgers' Future, Favorite Teammates

Episode Date: March 24, 2026

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden are joined by Pittsburgh Steelers legend Ben Roethlisberger to react to the teams' offseason additions, the latest on Aaron Rodgers retirement decision, disucss their favorite memories with the Steelers, and much more!  Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Intro07:39 - McCarthy the right hire for Steelers18:30 - Aaron Rodgers Steelers Future28:20 - Big Ben's Favorite pass catchers33:30 - Biggest rookie purchase 34:30 - Favorite Away Stadium (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Doing great, brother Debo. It's a great day to be on the Debo and Joe's show. You know, we got special guests here. Great friend of mine, great friend of yours. Yes, yes, yes. Look here, look here, people. People, we have a special guest with us today. We have former AP NFL rookie of the year.

youngest quarterback to everyone in the Super Bowl, two-time Super Bowl, champion, six-time pro-bowler, two-time NFL, passing yards leader, the first quarterback to throw, six touchdowns in back-to-back weeks. Yes. Distillers all-time leading pass yards,

passing touchdowns, and wins by a quarterback. Also, future Hall of Famer, we have Benjamin Tide, Rathamberger, Jr. You all call him Big Ben, I just call him Ben. How are you doing the game? That's my son. Son's junior.

My bad senior. Sorry. I thought for sure. I'm used to saying junior because of me. I thought for sure one of those stats was going to be how many times I was sacked by you in college. Hey, I mean, you can, how many, what's the most number of sacks that you were sacked by somebody in one game in your career? Probably you. College, pro.

How many? Probably you. How many was that? Two. Two. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. Hey, hey, Joe, Joe, Joe, five.

Yes. Five, Joe. Five. Five. Five. Who? You said to say five times? Hey, the little boy came up there to Kent State University and you know what we did.

We put them dick beaters on him, you know? See, Ben, I'm not, I'm, see, you signed, you didn't sign up for this. I know. You just walked into the craziness. See, that's what I have to deal with every day. Joe, can I tell, can I tell, am I allowed to tell the story or not? I mean, yes, please, please. So it's kind of a two-fold thing.

Really, it was one of those things. I'll tell the real story. But what kind of happened was I had received a letter about this undersized outside linebacker, defense event slash guy that was trying to make the league. And we had a mutual friend. And so he kind of said, listen, if you could help him out, the only chance of him making the league is to get it, you know, have a really good game like this. So I said, okay, I'm going to help him out.

And so leading up to that game, this is a true story now. that was 9-11. Okay, that season was when 9-11 happened. So we were supposed to play them when 9-11 happened. So they can't obviously postpone the game. That's a true statement. I'm saying this is from now on, I mean, I haven't stopped telling the truth. But so.

I'll tell you all when you stop. So anyway, the game got postponed to the last game of the season, right? So the last game of the season for us, this is my redshirt freshman year. I think Debo, is that your seventh year of college? I forget what you were for D. Oh, man, Depot. So we, so our last game of the season was, was in Hawaii that year. Okay.

So yes. We go out to Hawaii and, and then they end up putting us at Kent State after Hawaii in what that would have been like back then it was like less games. You're still talking November, December. It's miserable, right? But we all agree on this. Weather terrible. Terrible.

So we had, and now coming from Miami, the same thing is Kent. We're not like you, Joe, where everybody ends up. going to the pros from your school and you guys get paid in college and all that before. Am I in real? Okay, yes, yes. So we go to the small schools. Not a lot of guys go to the pros from the Mac. Yes.

And so there were some guys that were seniors on that football team that were linemen that were like, we're not going back to Kent State. We're going to stay out here in Hawaii after the game. Yes. So we go to Kent State and we got some guys that never played football. You got your backups playing. Backups, backups even. going against James. So there's the story

and that he did. He got me. But he got me. He got me. He got me. He got you. Look out for Mac player trying to get him. Right. Undercise. Help him out. Help him out. For sure. Man, that's, that's you looking out. That's right. But he got me. He wouldn't even help you none. You know this.

No. So yes, that's our story. That's our story. Good stuff. Brother, brother, brother. Look here, man. Let's talk a little bit of Steelers football. I've been a lot of things going on transpiring around. Of course, the hiring of a new coach, Mike McCarthy.

What was your initial reaction? And then how do you feel about it currently? Yeah, I mean, I thought, honestly, I know that there's a lot of people in Pittsburgh that wanted the kind of the young gun, the new up-and-comer, offense or defense, really. I think, as you guys know, being defensive guys, I tell people all the time that Pittsburgh revolves around when you talk about football,

Pittsburgh is about defense first and then running the ball second. Listen, I play quarterback here 18 years. I have no bones about that. That's what it is. So I really thought that they would go with a defensive-minded young coach. There were some names thrown out through the Shula. I don't know all the names.

I really would have liked to have seen an offensive-minded, again, this is all pre-coach. I would have liked to have seen an offensive-minded head coach for part of the first time. I assume, I didn't know Chuck No. I assume Chuck No. I assume. I don't know. We know Coach Cowher was defensive minded. We know Coach Tomlin was defensive minded. And so I just felt like, man, let's mix it up a little bit.

Let's get an offensive guy in here that can, you know, we can lean on because nowadays, you've got to keep up. You've got to score points. You need fresh mind in here. So I know it was young. When the McCarthy name came up, I actually liked it. I felt like it was an offensive guy, a Pittsburgh guy, so he can kind of. keep on the Pittsburgh tradition in the sense that, yeah, he never coached here,

but he grew up here and it ran in his blood. He understands what it is to be a steeler, understand what it is to be a Pittsburgher. So I like the, I like the pick. I like the pick up, the higher. And so now, I mean, you know, he's adding staff and doing all the stuff he's doing. And obviously, the results are to be seen still. But all in all, I was, I was pleasantly surprised with the pick. I like it.

I know people weren't happy right away, but I think after his press conference and the emotion that he showed, and I think this guy, he's coaching other places, but you can't tell me, you guys both know Pittsburgh, you can't tell me he has a deep down

blood, black, and gold the whole time. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. So I think you're speaking the same language as us. Debo was speaking actually hilarious when we watched the press conference. And you said about the emotion that he showed, Debo was like this.

Man, it's crying. Like, I'm like, Debo. I was watching it like, oh my goodness, yes, this is what we do. Yes, that's what they want. He really cares. It's passion, you know what I'm saying? But I think Debo took a little time and came around too. So I'm with the offense too.

I think offense of mine, I want us to start. You're right. Defense is what stillers are known for running the ball. But the way that the league is going, we got to score points. You know what I'm saying? Defense, we need to be not having people running wide open, alignment, assignment, technique. You know what I'm saying?

Just not having people run scot-free. so that we got to fix the defensive coordinator, but scoring points, I felt like was a big thing that we needed to do. So what you think, Debo? Oh, all the way. I mean, we got to get points on the board, no question about it.

But at the other end, like, we weren't stopping nobody either. And, you know, with the moves that we've made, you know, in the offseason, actually being, like the moves that we made in off season, what Omar is doing? What do you think of that? You know, the guys that we picked up,

I think we had Pittman, Dowdo, Dean, and Brisker. What do you think of those signs is, brother? Well, I think the pitman pickup is huge. Yes. I think fans, people watching the games have been saying, where's our number two receiver? You went and signed DK this huge deal, and DK is a great football player. But, you know, if you don't have someone opposite him, there's a lot of attention that goes there.

And I don't, you know, I really like what they what they have at the tight end position in both Darno, Washington. I like Pat Fryer, move obviously. I think those guys were all underuse the last couple of years because that's another way to free up a receiver is to utilize the middle of the field, you know, and bring safeties in and whatever. So now adding a second receiver, I think, you know, it's still, you know,

what are we doing with Roman Wilson? Like, is there something going on? Why has he not been on the field? You know, obviously Calvin Austin is now gone. And so I love the pitman pickup. I think it's something that screams, hey, Aaron Rogers, come on. like we're giving you

we're giving you these these weapons I think losing Gainwell Kenny G the team MVP last year is a big loss in the sense of what he was able to do opposite of Jalen Warren you know especially going to he went to Tampa I believe right for not not even it wasn't a crazy deal but it seemed

like he wanted to go to Tampa I think his comments were you know Tampa's kind of Tampa was maybe where I wanted to go at home yeah something like that but but what he brought last year was was pretty special so we'll see what the the young man from Carolina can do, you know, opposite Warren. But, but I love the pickup.

What's that? Dowdle. Yeah. Yeah. I love Rico. And so I think that offensively, you're telling yourself, like, what you've done in for agency so far is like, hey, listen, we know we've got the defense. We're going to add some pieces in the secondary, obviously, with the safeties and the

corners and opposite JPJ and Ramsey. And there, there I don't think the issues were as big on defense. I know you guys as defensive guys talk about. guys running wide open and this, that, and the other. But to me, watching, again, from, you know, 30,000 foot view, the defense looked like it was just pieces. Like, let's fill a piece here, fill a piece there. Yeah, and so.

Interior, we got a big, we got a big field, I think, right there with the interior de-lineman. We got a guy that as a run stopper, you know, he's going to clog up the middle. That's what he's known for. So that's something that I was real excited about. That's that guy from the new young man from Tennessee, that guy? So it'll pair him and Harmon together, right? Mm-hmm.

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the growth that I saw in Sawyer, I think he's got a chance to really learn and be a good player. And obviously, Herbic on the other side going to this final year, you got four guys there that you can rotate in and probably feel pretty comfort with, I would think. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. I think the main thing we were saying, too, is,

And Debo, when you're saying that it's just pieces that we needed to fill in, I know that we have the skill. We have the talent. So we're just saying execution, communication. As long as everybody's on the same page, it's not a skill thing. It's a discipline thing. So it's just a watch the tape, make sure everybody's on the same page. People are going in motion. We already know what we're going to be in. So with the defense skills, good, bringing in the other corner opposite JP, opposite Joey Porter Jr. Jalen Ramsey, fire. Everybody's good at the positions. Patrick Queen. If we have the D-Lyman play better when we're talking about being able to take two

to where he can run freely. He's not scared. He's a hitter. So he's going to be able to run free, make those tackles. So I think that's going to be good. When you talk about Wilson in the slot, do you think he's a good slot receiver?

Because Pittman being there, great, having D.K. taking some pressure off and being the one. I think those are three really good receivers. Yeah, I mean, we don't know, really. I mean, we didn't get to see enough of Roman Wilson. I think he could be. You know, McCarthy's offensive philosophy at West Coast is a lot of big receivers that like to run.

You've got to have four and five receivers on the roster. I'd like to, you know, see, you know, if you're asking me, I do want to come back to what you guys said. I'll finish this statement. I'll have a question for you too, especially you, Joe. I think, like, what needs to happen is you're still missing a couple pieces at receiver, which I think can be filled in the draft. Like, I'm not opposed to them going with a second, third round pick at a receiver. If you've got a guy that you really like.

So I still think you could fill another spotter receiver in the draft. I wouldn't go there like the first round, but I would definitely consider it in the second round. But what I was going to ask you on the secondary is would you, now that you know, I think what you see from JPJ on the outside, you've got to feel pretty confident that he's a guy that can lock it down. He's a guy that's coming into his own in terms of you potentially could let him go all over the field if you want, I think. You know, I would say the only concern that I see as a quarterback is getting handsy. as you know the penalties. But again, you like the physical play,

so I think you're willing to take some of that with the physicality. Would you, and then you end up getting the new players, would you, what would you do with Ramsey? Would you put him back in corner or would you put him in the slot? No, slot and I would have him at free or slot. So he's still going to be able to guard tight ends now

because the speed isn't there at corner. At the outside, you've got to be young. You still got to be able to run. I think when you talk about the Hansy part with Joey Porter Jr., I think that's still with the game still being a little fast. The slower it slows down. He's using straight athletic ability.

When he knows what's going on, he's going to be able to read, come out of the huddle, okay, we got man. Now he's reading, it's overspit. You know what I'm saying? He's like, okay, boom, boom, he's going to run a slant. Like film study, I think is going to be a really, really big thing for him now to make his next level of his game. Because he's just been doing this, getting a little,

but like last year, he wasn't as handsy. He's being a lot less grabby. He's learning. He's knowing just getting in this. getting a lot more comfortable out there. So I think him getting his feet wet knowing I can stay with these dudes. I can play him. I was guarding him not knowing what's going on.

He's doing one-on-ones just versus the best receivers out there and holding his own. So when you start being comfortable, knowing what's going on, coming out the huddle, you and your safety communicating, y'all know what, y'all know what the play's happening. I think he's going to be a lot more comfortable. So I think he's going to be, I think he'd be good to go. Yeah, I like Ramsey in the slot, too. As a quarterback, he makes me more nervous in the slot. I mean, he's making me nervous anywhere.

you got to know where he is, but in the slot because of his his mind, right? Yes, yes. When you're in the slot, it's all about your mind. And we talked about, you know, when I was here in DWU2 and,

you know, Deshae Townsend, right? DeShay was an outside corner, a good corner, and then they moved him inside. And he was so good in that nickel slot. And I also like him in there

because I think you can blitz him more. I love when Ramsey Blitz is. I love him stopping the run. You know, you can put him on a tight end and say, okay, this titan is not touching the, know, I don't want that tight end to touch the ball.

Yes. You got them. And then you go one for one, take him out. You can put JPJ on their best receiver. You can go one for one, cancel those two guys, you know, their best tight end, their best receiver. Cancel them out and just play a ball from there. Yep. Yeah, I'm 100% on that.

I like that. Plus the pickup with the safety of Brisker. Yeah. Yeah. That's another good pickup. But I guess Stiller fans, they're trying to decipher what Michael Pittman Jr. It said in a little interview, I guess he appearance he did on the show talking about Aaron Rogers. He said, so I'm trying to give him this space, you know, because Aaron's a guy that likes his space.

I don't want to just get signed and then blow him up like, hey, Aaron, like, what's the deal? But, you know, I just give him his time, you know, him and his wife, like, they got to handle some things. And then, like, he would decide if he wants to come back or not. he continued to say, but the fact that he's still out doing flag stuff, I think he wants to play like just knowing Aaron prior to this. I just think he's going to try to try and play as long as he can. Man, what do you think of the whole Aaron Rogers situation? Do you think we should wait on him?

Do you think we should go and say, you know what? Let's run and see what Will can do and then see what happens from there. and if it doesn't work out, next year we look at getting a quarterback. Like, what's your thoughts on the whole quarterback situation? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of, there's a lot of factors,

a lot of layers involved with this whole thing, you know? I would think and hope that Aaron would give a decision by the draft. Not that it's going to change anything in the sense. I don't think the Steelers should draft a quarterback early in this draft by any means. If you want to try and grab one in the fourth round or, somewhere just to add someone. Here's something that I would consider that happened recently. Josh Dobbs just got released by New England.

Okay. I would strongly, if Aaron, again, this is all about Aaron. If Aaron is not coming back, I would love to bring a veteran guy in like Dobbs, who's been here. Obviously, new system, not the same coaching staff, but bring a veteran guy in. Because I'm a big Will Howard fan. I would love to give Will Howard a chance. I think he's a guy that's a proven winner in college. Yes.

I think that he can come here and do it. And I think if you, I've been very adamant on my show. and talking about, like, I think it's important. So many teams nowadays, they get a quarterback, and they try and build around their quarterback. I think that's backwards. I think you should build a team and plug a quarterback into it. Because then if the quarterback doesn't work,

I mean, look what, Kyler Murray, number one overall pick. He didn't even last through. I mean, there's a lot of guys. I know we're just, I'm using him because that's the most recent news. Yeah, but it's all the time. But if you build a team and you put Will Howard into it, well, if it doesn't work, we'll go draft a guy, put him into it.

You have a team. I was blessed to come to a team that was already established. Veteran line, veteran offense, veteran defense, great defense. And it really was just about let's plug a quarterback in. And I was able to get plugged in and play. And so, again, I know I just gave you all a bunch. But I think that Aaron, I think my deep down, I feel like Aaron's going to play. I mean, they're surrounding him.

They're giving them some great weapons. I think the McCarthy factor. I know there's been some reports of them like button heads in the past, but I think they've made up. So I don't know the true there, but what's going on there. But deep down, I feel like Aaron's going to come back.

I would hope that he would let them know by the draft just for the simple fact of if you want to grab a guy late round. But anytime you can have a Hall of Fame guy on your team, I think it's important for the leadership and for what he can do. You saw times last year when he kind of just took over it felt like. You know what? Listen, here we go. Let me call this.

It felt like they were driving and doing things. So just with his familiarity with this offense, I feel like it's a smart thing to do. And if not, I would absolutely ride with Will Howard. If Aaron comes out today or tomorrow or whatever and says, I'm retiring, I can't see him playing anywhere else. Let's say that. I think it's here or nowhere. But if he decides, hey, I'm done.

I'm going to go do my thing, whatever. I would absolutely still not draft a guy in the first round. I would ride with Will Howard for a couple years, give him a chance, keep building this team around him. I think the line, I would go line first, O line first in the draft, get a line to to just get a guard and interior guy. And I would just absolutely build this team around Will Howard right now. And if it doesn't work, guess what?

In two years, the draft is loaded with quarterbacks. Go get a guy in the first round because it didn't work with Will. You're probably going to be draft and higher. Yeah, that was going to be my next question. Put your GM, put your GM head coach hat on it. And who are you getting with the first round pick? Who would be your target? Do you have somebody in mind?

Do you know of someone you said you would go offensive line? Do you have some less? I don't, listen, I can't tell. I don't, I don't study enough to know which guy is. Okay, yeah, I saw all that's wonderful. But you definitely going O-line, though. I would. I would absolutely go O-line.

I don't think you can ever have enough O-Lignment. Like, it's just too valuable because when a guy goes down, if you lose that, if you lose like a legit guy, you've got to be able to plug him in and not just a plug-and-play guy. What if it's for the season? What if it's, you know, you've got to have a guy. And so I think that there's two philosophies when you go. If I have my GM coach hat on, there's two philosophies in the draft. Okay, if I know, if I know,

So if I'm the GM of this team, I'm saying I want O linemen. And I'm going to pick a lineman at the 21st pick. I'm taking the best line. I don't care if he's a center. And you have a great center. I don't care what it is. I'm taking the best guy because you can move things around. Like right now, right, what's going on with Broderick Jones?

There's been reports of him maybe not coming back. The injury's a little worse. So people would say, okay, right left tackle. We got to get left tackle. No, get the best lineman available. Don't go out on a limb with the left tackle that you think. Get the best lineman and move. things around. Now, the second thing is always, I think that there's a board, right? Your board says,

okay, we're going line first. And then there's always that best available category. Yeah. Yep. Like, so, so what if, like, what if the best available at 21, all of a sudden, your, your number five best available for whatever reason is like a corner or something. You know, it's like, I'm just trying to think of like a position you don't necessarily need. You have to, you have to take a strong look like, man, that's, we have him as the fifth best. available, we might have to consider, but it have to be like a really high best available, not like our 15th best available guy is an outside linebacker. I'm like, well, we don't need that.

We got four outside backers. Let's go line. So I'm going line first, and I would consider going receiver in the second round, personally. I ain't go lie, man. I think I would go line line first in. And you wouldn't be wrong. You wouldn't be wrong. I think I would be with you.

I think I would go line receiver. I think I would go line receiver. The other thing is you've got a lot of draft capital, right? You've got a lot of picks. You've got, I think, two-third, unless, again, I don't know what we've given up with some of this stuff going on. But there's a lot of picks available,

and maybe you could get two, you know, get rid of some stuff and get two second-rounders or third. You know, I don't know. There's a lot of things that could happen. But line-line is not a bad move either, ever. Yeah, I just feel like we can get better value at the O-line with those first two picks that we have as far as talent.

then we would, you know, going after a receiver that made it all the way down to the second round, especially what we just, you know, the receivers we have and what we just signed. Yeah. Yeah. I like the way you went about Aaron Rogers and Will Howard. I feel the same exact way. If Aaron Rogers does want to come back, I would like for him to give us his decision as early as possible, just so the organization could do what we got to do, knowing moving forward.

But he doesn't owe nobody nothing. So that's how I just look at it. Like, hey, Rod, if you. want to come back, please let us know early. But if you don't, you know what I'm saying? It's cool because we just need to figure out what's going on. Will Howard, love him also and build a team. If you just get a good line that, like you said, you can run the ball well, you have

good receivers, we got good tight ends. He doesn't have to come do too much. Come in there, hand the ball off. You're standing ahead of the sticks. You're not putting him in positions where he has to go out there and just create, create craziness. No, he's under control, third and shorts, you know what I'm saying, slants and stuff like that. So I'm with the building a great team because you can just put a quarterback in there,

competent, you don't have to go out there and be Patrick Mahomes. You don't have to be out scrambling, doing things crazy. Run the offense right. Don't lose the game. You don't got to go out there and go crazy. Just don't lose it for us. Yeah, it's the same thing. Like I said, when I came in, we had a great defense and we ran the ball.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your... podcasts. You're predicated on. No, for sure. We went out and people came up to stop the run and that's when we hit him over the top with the big boys. And that's when we used Heinz doing his thing and Antoine. And so you take the pressure off of a young quarterback like a Will Howard if you can. If you need to, again, this is all depending on what Aero wants to do. If you need to, you can take all the pressure off him and just let him, like you say, don't lose the game. And it's not like, I think quarterbacks sometimes they get frustrated when you say, hey, you know,

they're a game manager. It's not, that's fine. It's not a bad thing to do. Listen, you're running the ball, you're getting, you're getting yourself into good situations, good plays, you're eliminating the bad place. Hand the ball, hand off, hand off, hand off. Guess what?

Now we're going to throw the ball four or five times a game. Look at us in Indianapolis when we went that first Super Bowl. We went to Indianapolis and threw the ball the first like eight plays of the game. Indie wasn't ready for it. Heath Miller, Heath Miller. I mean, you've got to, you can do that just as well, too, as a young guy, but you've got to build the line and build a team that can sustain that. you got to be able to get that safety to come down when it's single high.

They're not just standing back there too high. You know what safety comes down and then you got D.K. and Pittman going? That's what I'm saying. You're not watching it. You got to have a book. What are we talking about? That's the same thing I was telling them last week, like how you came in. I'm like, yo, they're building the team right now.

And then we go have a quarterback. We'll get the quarterback. We need to plug in. I'm like, Ben came into the same situation. That's the same thing I was telling everybody last week. I am so glad that you went on head. and told him exactly what it was, you know what I'm saying, to justify that, you know, your boy, nobody talking about.

For sure, for sure. I appreciate that. Super smart. Appreciate that, really. Yep. Look here, bro. I got another question for you. Okay.

Favorite receiver to play with. I think I know who it is. My favorite receiver to play with was Heath Miller. Heath Miller, okay. Yes, and I know he's in tight-in. Heath Miller, listen, Heath was... Why is that? Heath was the...

Heath was a guy that... And listen, I could go down a list of some great receivers I play with. I played with some unbelievable receivers. Guys that should be in the Hall of Fame and in Heinz. And I think, you know, I play with one of the most talented guys that I've ever been around in my life in Antonio Brown. Guys with amazing... That's what I thought was.

I mean, listen, yeah. And guys with speed like Mike Woolhouse. I mean, like, we've, I've gotten, I've been blessed with a lot of great guys. And, and one of my favorites that I play with it is probably people would know about that I only play with for a few years, Jericho Contry. Jericho was in the right place all the time, hard nose. Like, I love playing with him. And then, I mean, Heinz Ward.

I mean, again, the list, Plex. I mean, the list goes on and on. And all the, Juju, when he was, you know, Juju early on. I mean, Jude's still going. I mean, he was a stud when he was playing early on. And still still doing it. But Heath Miller was different. Heath Miller was a guy that, you know,

when he dropped the pass, it was like a record screeched, right? Yeah. Like, what happened, you know? He was always in the right place. Receivers are known to, to, you know, when you come off the field, remember back of the day, we used to have to look at the pictures, right? We flipped through the note with the three-ring binder,

look at the pictures. And it come off the field, and the receiver was like, man, I was wide open. Or to ask, hey, were you open? Yeah, wide. open. Look at the picture. Three guys around him. Not even close to being open. Heath Miller was the type

where I'd be like, hey, Heath, were you open? And he'd be like, no, I think there was guys. And I'd look at the picture known around him. You know what I'm saying? Like selfless. No, you didn't make the, not trying to blame it on you. No. And did, if you go back to watch like Heath Miller tape, yeah, he made some great plays. But it was never really flashy.

It was just hard nose. He'd run people over. He wasn't hurtling people. He wasn't doing spin moves. I mean, he just did the work and he was blocking. He wasn't afraid to block. He was always in the place. And I always tell people like, listen, if I wanted to play backyard football, right, where there's no like, you're just, you're just playing ball. You see this guy's here.

I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. Heath Miller was going to win because he just had the ability to just be on the same page with you, read things. He was my comfort blanket. So I will take Heath Miller in a game of flag football any day. respect respect y'all definitely went crazy because i don't know he he for sure but i know you and like he said i knew uh debo was going to say ab i had to say ab because you and ab put me through

the worst times ab had his routes because that's when i came to pittsberg i was so glad though i got to practice against you guys because a good ball and a good route is always going to beat great coverage and it made me feel because i'm like don't you're in the right spot but you would just you're going to put the ball where either he can catch it or nobody's going to catch it. I couldn't get my hands on you. You would just put the balls in great spots. And then you're scrambling ability to be able to extend the plays and throw people off of you. If I'm covering a five and out and I really think I have that five and out.

I'm going to look. Oh, I'm in a good spot. Ben's going to throw somebody off and AB's turning that thing up. And now it was a five out and up. And now I'm beat. So y'all made it very, very difficult for me with that would like the scramble drill. There was a lot of ad-libbing going on with A, B, and I, and it seemed to always, I mean, there were, there were very few times when it didn't work, right? When you, when you ad-lib and it's bad, right, quarterback goes to throw, he thinks the receiver does, the receiver turns up or does something, bad things happen, right?

Yes. It looks really bad. Yeah, yeah. Those things were few and far between with him for whatever reason. They just, we were on the same page a lot, and, I mean, a super talented guy. One of the things I tell people a lot, like, he worked his butt off. We all know that. everything.

But where he was probably at his best was on the sideline. If there was a ball on the sideline, the ref was like out of bounds, I'm like, hey, I want to challenge that because there's a really, really good chance that he was in balance. Yes, yes, thousand percent. Being able to.

It looked like he'd be all the way. No, no way. And he barely ever went to the ground. He never dove for balls. He ran through everything on the sideline. He would stretch out so far. And then somehow he would just stay on his feet. His balance and creativity was unbelievable.

Tony Tootap. He was quite excited Tony Tootap. Now, that's the end. If it's by the sideline, the toe tap. It's in. Always. I tap.

I tap. I tap that. Yep. It's a good bad. Man, look here, bro. Let's get into some little other stuff, man. Let me let me know. Joe's a spender, Joe.

Oh, no. Joe's a spender. Joe got two different cars. I don't know. Sorry. What different? What car? He got one black, one white.

They looked the same to me. What is it again? Wow. Wow. That was when I was playing for the Steelers, Debo. I had a cullin'in'n and I had a ghost. They looked the same to me. He had a black one and a white one.

He couldn't decide on which color, you know what? So he said, you know what? I'm going to get the black and the white. They're the same car to me. That's all on. See, Divo is always. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Like on your, say, let's say your rookie did. What was it? Yeah. Let's say waste. A house?

Oh, wasteful? Was it out? Wasteful? Oh, man, I don't know. Probably, probably a car that I didn't need. Like, you know, I got a, I think I got my first car ever one. It was like a Donali or one of, you know, one of those cars with, you know, with like the TVs in the headrest or what, you know, just like all that. You ain't get a wraith in a ghost.

No, Ben. I don't know what that is. Man, I'm seeing. What is a race and the ghost? I don't know what it is. It's a, it's a road voice. Okay. You know, it's a car, man.

I'm sorry. How are the car is it? He's trying to bring out crazy. Debo, it doesn't matter. It's a Rose Royce. All right. Oh, Lord. All right.

Look, let's switch, let's switch gears. Moving on. Just moving on. What was your favorite stadium, away stadium to play in bed? Um, well, I enjoyed, you know, as crazy as it is, it kind of coincided with each other. Anybody in the AFC North was pretty fun, right? Because you just, they were all over you and I was very successful. but I would probably say my favorite stadium, Joe,

and this is not, you're not going to like this, because it was home away from home. It was Cleveland, right? I mean, I'm going to set myself up. Yeah, I mean, I've been going through emails with them because they're doing a new stadium, you know, which seems crazy to me. I heard it's going to be a dome, which seems,

or maybe retractable. I don't know, that doesn't seem right to me. You just want to see I'm saying, okay. Yeah, going through emails and stuff, they're asking me for naming rights. Like they want, you know, I was going to put my name on, maybe. Oh, man. No. I don't know.

Yeah, that's where you're going with this? That's where they, Dude, I'm trying to tell you, like, I'm looking at it. Okay, okay. They're going to call. Rothersberger Field. They want to call it. It's nuts.

Okay. We'll see. But, we'll let that go. Wrong one? I mean, it's kind of, he kind of, he kind of up in the air with it because when he's going to the hall, he don't really want his name sitting in Cleveland like that. You know what I'm saying? But they speak it so much.

I mean, look at you right. I won a lot of games there. One a lot of games there. You know what? I can respect that, though, Ben, because, you know, I went from there to Pittsburgh. I played a boat. So let me ask you, Joe, as a Cleveland guy, like, what do you think about that being a dome or like a roof or like a roof? That feels like that doesn't, like isn't right.

Like part of being in Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, it's grass. Hey, before you answer this, let me interject. Before you answer this, what? Listen, the reason they want a dome bin is because it will be the only time they will get to see and watch and be part of a Super Bowl. Super Bowl. That's crazy. Go ahead, Joe. I'll let you.

I'm not mad at it because I really think, well, the owners is, it's for money. You know, the has-lims, it's all, they're building this whole little town out there. They're going to have parking, the hotels, the restaurants. It's a business move, and I'm not mad at them, but they're putting money into the city, into the stadium. It's going to be beautiful. I know it's going to be nice. They don't, they don't, they don't. It just doesn't feel right, though, in the A.

I know what just, I hear you, Ben, I hear you. Honestly, for me too, I love the downtown. Downtown, it was perfect. I love where the stadium was. It was beautiful. But I'm looking at it from, I guess, the owners, they tried to do that because the dollars and cents. I'll say this.

And I hear it, it's probably going to be beautiful. And I assume, are they moving out of where it was? Like, it's going to be a different place. Yeah, it's going to be by the airport. Oh, okay. I didn't know, Cleveland had an airport. Man, not. Close to the facility.

But I guess, yeah, because we used to always drive. I know, that's true. No, it just feels like the best chance, and again, and I'm meanness with sort of all due respect. It felt like the best chance that Cleveland had was when bad weather came in. When it's slippery outside and you know what I'm saying, they can't get the wheel. That's really, that's really, that didn't really give y'all a chance. That just kind of, I don't know. It depends if y'all was playing a warm weather team.

Like, do y'all need me here right now, honestly? Excuse me? Do you all need me here right now? I'm just, I'm talking. I'm talking. It's Debo and Joe. Okay. We're talking.

We got special guests. Like, this is sometimes going to happen. There's nothing wrong with it. Yeah, all right. Yeah, all right. Yeah, we got to show. So, calm down. Like, you come out here with all the Cleveland stuff on and didn't expect not to get

Cleveland questions. You're correct. You're correct. I did this one to myself. I did this one to myself. You got two, three Browns helmets on your, like, left side right there. What are we talking about, Joe? And the right side got the same amount of helmets and stillers.

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