Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Brendan Sorsby to Pittsburgh? + Myles Garrett's leadership questioned

Episode Date: June 22, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden react to reports that the Pittsburgh Steelers could target Brendan Sorsby in the NFL Supplemental Draft, Myles Garrett's leadership during his Cleveland Browns tenure being questioned, NFL Power Rankings, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:19:10 - Sorsby to Pittsburgh?28:39 - Myles Garrett not loved in Cleveland?42:28 - NFL power rankings (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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when you play your first $5 lineup. Prize picks, a preferred partner of the NBA. Welcome back to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison. I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like and subscribe and download where you get your show. How you doing today, Joe?

I'm doing lovely, my brother, Debo, coming off this beautiful Father's Day weekend. How are you, my good brother? Yeah, I'm doing, I'm doing a lot better, Joe. I'm doing, I'm doing a lot better. I ain't going to lie to you. Um, my father's day almost, ain't go how, you know, it should have went, but it went.

Okay. You know what I'm saying? I ain't go lie. I was, I was on the verge of crashing out. Oh, father's day? On father's day, Joe. Listen, Joe, let me tell you what happened. Okay. All right, Joe. Let me preface this. Okay, preface your comments.

With what happened before, so. Okay. my children these these kids that I got I don't take the plane to yes you know what I'm saying I signed you know

I ain't gonna lie to you you know it came I was it was contract time there was like well if you got kids we probably would pay you more so I was like alright I got some kids you know what I'm saying yeah anyway let's get let's get to so my birthday went through

okay my birthday was in May right yes so they asked me what you know what I don't want to do and da-da-da. I say, hey, dad, we, you know, we take you to eat. I said, all right, cool, let's, you know, let's do that. Uh-huh. What? We can't do it this week.

Okay. Why not? Why not? Or they got something else to do. They got some other things planned. Okay. We're doing it next week. Mm-hmm. Next week comes, Joe.

We ain't go eat. That's May. You still ain't been to eat, Joe. You still ain't been to eat yet? Still ain't been to eat yet, Joe. Father's Day. My birthday. That was my birthday.

That was your birthday in May. What was your birthday in May. Father's day just happened. Father's day just went down. Yes. I made 4th. With my birthday. Yeah.

Father's day. I'm getting all the Father's Day text. Yes. Boom, boom. My father's day. I only got two kids, Joe. I don't got Father's Day texts from my home boys. I don't got, you know, all this.

Everybody's show love. Everybody. And I don't got father's day text. holiday take. I only got two kids that I'm a father to that I know of. That's your boys. You see what I'm saying, Joe? So I'm looking at my clock. I say, all right, maybe they ain't up. So about 145. They're up. My youngest hit me. He said, happy Father's Day. Dad, I love you. I say,

thank you. I love you more. Okay. Yes. Okay, son. You know, me. Okay. Okay. But the acknowledgement ain't enough no more, Joe. No, no, no, no. You know that. Your kids grown old. You know that. You know that. You know that. You know what to eat. Your kids can take you out to eat. So it's rolling around. It's rolling around. Joe, it's for something. I ain't heard from my oldest boy yet. I've engaged this. I've engaged this nigga my name. He ain't called me. I said, okay. Okay. Come on. Okay. I tell you the name. My daddy gave me.

You know how much that. And I gave my youngest one and two. I just flipped it backwards. I called him Henry James instead of James Henry. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody got in your. Now look here, Joe.

Yes, sir. About six something rolling around, he finally called me. I'm sitting at the cigar bar. Six o'clock. Bro? It's almost the next day. I'm sitting, bro, I'm sitting at the cigar bar, right? I'm puffing.

And I kind of, I'm in my feelings. I kind of don't want to answer his phone call. Okay. You're feeling some type of way. I'm feeling some type of way, Joe. Sure, sure. I kind of don't want to answer his phone call, okay? And I'm looking at it.

I'm like, so I'm like, I ain't going to answer it with an attitude. Hey, what up, though? What up, though? What up? My dad, what's going on? Where are you at a da-da-da-da? Yeah. I'm at the cigar bar.

Why? How long are you going to be there? I'll say, I'm going to be here for a minute. What are? All right. All right. Okay. So they're sitting there.

And I'm like, okay, I'm sitting there. Do-do-do. I'm like, he ain't showed up yet. Oh, no. Okay. So how far away did they give you, did they give you an ETA? Listen, listen, listen, man. From where, from where they at to where I was at, it ain't nothing but five minutes.

Okay. All right. He popped up. He popped up. He popped up at the cellar bar. He pop up at a cigar bar. I got to go out there. I got to let them in, right?

Yeah, yeah. Go out there. I let them in. Hey, dad, do, do, do, do, do. Yeah, okay, yeah. They got cards with them. So now I'm, you know, I'm lighting it up now, you know what I'm saying? All right, all right.

Okay. All right. All right. All right. All right good stuff. You know what I'm saying? Handwritten letters? Hey, handwritten.

Handwritten, handwritten card. They got two cards. Love it. Handwritten on inside, of course. You know what I'm saying? Yes, sir. They hit me with one little jokey joke card. And they hit me with another one, you know what I'm saying.

And, uh, this, this, you know, it brought me back. Matter of fact, hold on. So this is the first one, Joe. Why you back good? It's the first one, Joe. I don't know if you can see that. Oh, no. Daddy, you know how much you're loved.

Okay. Okay. And it's like, it's funny, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, little kitty cat. All right. So now this one, this one right here, we got, I'm going to let you read all that one because this is me all day. Boom. Because I said so.

Okay, just didn't want anyone asked why today. Okay. No question. Yes. That is that right there. It's a little pen and all that. Did you make that? Yeah, that card is literally you.

Yeah, yeah, that's fine. So I take the pen off and put it on because that's my saying because I said it. Okay. I'm liking that. So then we got to sit there, you know what I'm saying, chop it up. We conversated about things for a good hour. You know what I'm saying? Make me feel real good.

You know what I'm saying? Because I ain't reply to you, Joe. What was about to happen? I was going to let them see. Hey, they was going coach Anytime we go somewhere You was flying coach You gonna be first class

I'm gonna be first class Y'all gonna be sitting in the back of the plane Okay They ain't even know they saved their own self From going coached yesterday Okay Because I was already in my feelings about you Not getting me my birthday

Get my birthday food Yeah they're saying All that All that You're not feeling the love, Debo You wasn't feeling of love Listen, I wasn't feeling the love But I'm gonna tell you right now, just so y'all know, hey, I still ain't eight yet, sons.

You said your mama. You said your mama on her birthday. You got her everything on Mother's Day. Yep. Respect. First thing. First thing. Y'all, hey, dad.

Whenever you want something, hey, dad. Hey, dad. Hey, dad. Hey, dad. Hey, dad. Hey, let me work, don't. I need, okay, I got, let's do it. Let's do it. I ain't got no problem with it. Hey, I need some appreciation. See, I feel that. This is what a lot of people don't understand. Everybody

say like me and say, I don't need no gift. I don't need nothing like that. Listen, what we saying is we don't need a real gift because you go go go and spend money that is really go be the money that we go spend. So if we really want to get it, we can get it for ourselves. We don't get it. What I need is the thought. I need the thought. I need to see something. Like, I get excited about little stupid stuff. And my son that came with a fishing pole or something like that, I would have been off the chart. It would have been good to go.

No question. You know what I'm saying? Anything like that. The car, the car do? That's a big one. That's a big one. You had to go out, spend time, pick the car. You had to go in there and put your little right on there.

It is a little personal touch to it. I like that. I love that. I love that. It makes me feel appreciative. You know what I'm saying? They don't understand that. They don't.

And I'm already jealous. because you're giving your mama all the love anyway. You know mama going to get the love, though, Dibbo. You're getting all the love anyway. They got to. They got to. I understand that, but, hey, I like some love too. I like some love too.

I like some love too. Don't even, but from my boys, just to show that they can for their pop. You better stop giving me a kiss at like four five. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That one, that one here. You still kiss with my mom right now. I can't even get a hug. I can't even get a hug, but I can't even get a kiss on the cheek.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, they're little, you're raising little men. You raise a little men. You're going to tell you, Joe. It's going to hurt you when that time come. For sure. Because all I, you know, my little boys, they nine and seven.

I got me my little letters, my handwritten letters. I love you, dad. You're the best dad in the world. You're so brave. When my son's called me brave, that thing, that's all. I'm like, son, you don't understand. I love you so much. Yes, sir.

That's all I need for my young bull. So I feel you deep on when they start getting older. I just, honestly, we're just trying to protect them and know, and show them that they know that we love them so much. No question, man. That's it. That's it, man. Just trying to be good present fathers.

And I know that you are, and I'm trying to do the same with my little man. So, come on, man. It was a good father. How was your weekend, though? How was your weekend, though? Bro, it was so much fun. Had all my family, my brothers. We had nieces, nephews.

We went to Virginia Beach. And that was something I used to do with my family back in the day. Every summer, we used to go out there. So it was just, this is my first time bringing my kids out there and my wife and showing them. I'm driving by the hotel we used to stay at. And I told her like seven times, she's like, damn, babe, like, I've seen the hotel. I know where y'all stayed at.

I'm like, it just keeps hitting. I'm like, no, I'm what y'all to know exactly where we was at. She was getting tired of me. But it was a good time. Went out to the beach. We was boogie boarding all day. You know, just-all grilling. No, we weren't, we didn't do no grilling.

We brought up the sandwiches, you know, the old-school way. Sandwiches in the cooler. You know what I'm saying? Old school is a grill, bro? Old school's not the grill. How are you going to bring your own grill? Have you been to Virginia Beach? I'm bringing it.

Can you bring a grill to Virginia Beach? I mean, you might could, but I ain't seen no grills out there, Virginia Beach. Family reunion, you got sandwiches. Joe, Joe, I'm going to show you how to do a family reunion, brother. I'm going to show you next July. This is a baby. This is a baby version. This is a baby version.

This was a kid's version. This was the kids version. version, all of the kids' version, the kid, the kid family union version. Listen, Joe, Joe, I'm going to tell you right now, Joe, I'm going here. I'm going to throw one next year, Joe. And I'm going to show you a lot down, okay? I usually have about somewhere between 150, 200 people, Joe. I do my own firework, all that good stuff, Joe.

Set it off, Joe. I sets it all. I lie to myself, Joe, I set it off. And listen, hey, it ain't going to be nothing better. But what you got to do is realize when I'm doing this, Joe, I'm working on four grills at one time, Joe. I'm working on, I'm the grill master. I can grill.

I'm working on two propane and two charcoal. Pooh. Hey, ain't no sandwiches unless you're making a sandwich with some burger or a hot dog. A cheeseburger sandwich. You know? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Have you been to Virginia Beach, though? I've been there, Joe.

I didn't have no grills out there. You had to bring your own. Now, with a sandwich, though. I should have brought my grill. Joe, come on. Roll it on out there. Something? They had to little...

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We had that. And then after they had the, you know you're on the beach right next to the hotels. The Marriott Ocean Front was behind us. They had a nice little joint. We went there and got some, had some shrimp.

I forgot shrimp right out there too. You got that money. You could go, you can go on the Florida. I totally forgot. I got a fried shrimp. We had some chicken tenders for the kids. My mama,

my mama prep. My mama prep. I got my sisters, they prepping and all that. You know what I'm saying? Like, when they come down to a dude, we got, I'm talking like,

you know, the big trays. You know, you got, you got foods, got ribs coming in. They already froze up. Yes. Getting all this together, you know what I'm saying? So you're talking like, you know, I'm cooking up,

I'm cooking up at least, you know, 50, 60 slab of ribs. You know what I'm saying? The reason, let me tell you why, too, though. The reason why I'm on the grill normally, but I couldn't be on the grill because I'm on beach patrol. I'm in there with all of the kids making sure nobody goes too far, nobody starts getting lost. I'm out there with the boogeyboard

and got seven nieces and nephews. between the age of seven years old and 15 years old, and we're all bugging. And they're looking at Uncle Jay, Uncle Jay. You know what I'm saying? That'll be good. I'm like, okay, back. Here it goes.

Here it goes. Get ready. Get you back towards the... Now jump on it. Now, buggy. Now, get, kick, kick. So I'm out there fathering the whole family. The whole family.

Everybody's good. You're out there working. You're out there working, Joe. I'm Captain Boogie. You're out there working, Joe. I should have on a lifeguard suit. The red shorts with the top. Whoa.

No, I'm just saying the shorts With a lifeguard shirt. Not the, not a... I understand. You know, just the regular zone. I don't know, Joe, Joe, too, I understand. I understand. I'm just saying, Joe.

When you say family reunion, A, grilling come to mind. Joe, I get up. I understand. I understand. Joe, I ain't done grilling until 4. 7 a.m. to 4. You're a griller.

I got you. I got you. I'm a grill, too, but I just never brought the grill onto Virginia Beach. That's not a bad idea, though. That's not a bad idea. But then I'm going to have to get somebody else to be the lifeguard and protect the children.

Hey, I know you got a pool at your house, don't you? Yes. Yeah, yeah. You can go on here and somebody can watch while you grill and do all that. Oh, that's what we do at the pool. At the crib? At the crib, that's fine. The crib is fine.

I'm talking about that beach. When they get to taking the kids away, they can't swim all the way like that, Dibah. You know, we've seen some people get tucking out the scene. Hey, listen, I don't, listen, Joe, I do not play. in beach water. I have not got into beach water like the ocean, like actually from the beach

ever. So yeah, I'm... If I done did it, I don't walk with my feet on the sand. Me and my young bulls are trying to catch waves back inside. Boom. Not far though. We're not going out there.

We're right by the surface. You know the ways that boom, Nick, we're like jump on top. Wow, we good. My little man. take it right into the sand. Bam. I'm like,

no, you got to pull up your boogie board or else is going to drive you into the sand flipping my kids over having a blast. Driving you into the sand. Drive you into the sand.

Drive you into the sand. That's how I told them. No, no, no, no, no. That's why I told them. You got to lift up your boogie. You can't let it just take you into the sand. Hold your boogie up. Lift it.

And then you can ride the wave all the way through. Once you let that buggy take control, bam, I see my... The boogie. Don't let the boogie. You can't let the boogie take control of you. You got the buggy. You got to be in control of the buggy.

The boogie. You got to be in control of the boogie. I got you. I got you, Joe. Captain Boogie. Captain Boogie. Joe's new name, Captain Boogie. Self-acclame, Captain Boogie.

Come on. Remember, Joe, we said you can't nickname yourself, Joe. I didn't get myself this name. My niece's and nephews gave me this name. I just brought it to you. Okay, okay. They said, Uncle Jay. Who?

Uncle Jay. My nephew, J.R. My nephew, J.R., my son, Jordan's son, said, Uncle J., you're the best boy. Your son's, Jordan's son. My brother's son, Jordan. Okay. My brother is my younger brother. That's better.

He has a son named J.R. And that's his junior, Jordan, Jr. He calls me Uncle J. Uncle J. But now he calls me Captain Boogie. Captain Boogie. Okay. Captain Boogie.

That's wild. All right, Joe. You want to hear something else that wild, man. We got an NFL analyst that believes the Pittsburgh Steelers would take the plunge and land Brendan Sorosby in the supplemental draft. Steve Palazzo predicts, Paliselo, sorry, Palisolo predicts that the Steelers will bid a third rounder for Sorosby and ultimately add him to the quarterback room that is already rather full. He said Pittsburgh is the most obvious one for me, even though they already have Will Howard and Drew Allen. There is a point where you can't really develop three quarterbacks. And they may have just said we're out on Will Howard.

Maybe Mike McCarthy and the staff is like we don't believe in Will Howard already. Or they say Drew Aller in camp. And it's like this is a much bigger project than we thought. He's suggesting that they are saying that they're out on either Will or Drew. This is his belief. I don't know. What he's talking about? I think he's out of control, first and foremost.

Like, you're going to tell me that the Pittsburgh Steelers are going to go ahead and bring in a, big at best case of big risk that's the biggest thing like we go bring in this person who who who who has a problem or can't follow the rules whichever one you want to say he either can't follow the rules or he has a problem and when it comes down to it I don't even believe that he believes that I think it's just more of a which whichever one is go get him to sympathy play I got an addiction You shut No, I don't believe that

In the quarterback, at quarterback The position that can literally Single-handedly losing Win you every game Can lose you every game You think you're going to go And bring that over here That they're going to take a chance

Of picking this dude up And saying, oh yeah, let's Let's give it a shot And if they pick him up, the big issue is you're saying right now, if you pick him up, you're saying that Will Howard, Drew Aller, nobody in this quarterback room has a future of being our quarterback, rather short term or long term. You got Will last year on the fifth, and Mike McCarthy said that he would not have picked him fifth.

He said he would have went way sooner. So that would be BS. And then you just spent a third round pick on group, which means you would essentially being unused up two third round picks this year. And for a guy who, what was he at, Cincinnati, you got two quarterbacks that played in a bigger power football conference in the Ohio State University in Penn State for a guy that played in Cincinnati.

And I believe both of them had, at least in my opinion, better numbers all around as far as what his numbers was, his last year over there in Cincinnati. on top of him going over to, what is it, Texas Tech just in, what was that, December they said or something? Yeah. They gave this man millions, millions of dollars, and they ain't make him pay nothing back.

And you sitting up here crying about you are going to be hurt by what? By what? Dude, Pittsburgh Steelers is not taking a chance on none of that, dude. Right now, like he said, you got five quarterbacks now, really four, that you're trying to develop, or at least three, you know, you can say you're trying to develop Mason, but, I mean, he's what, year eight, nine, that's, that's, that's done. So you would have three quarterbacks that you're trying to develop. Even if we said that they went and got past the part of he's a degenerate gambler.

Yeah. It's not, it's just not going to happen. They're not going to put that onto the organization. Like, it's just not going to happen. That's not something that they're going to do. But say they did, you don't even have the time to develop three quarterbacks. You don't have time to get a good sample size to see even what they can do, especially now, dude. Like, so, like, this right here is a pipe dream, dude.

Like, it ain't even a pipe dream. It's a pipe bomb. Yes. My, um, you're trying to blow up shit. Like, it ain't happening, dude. Like, I'm going straight to the facility and I'm talking to the stillers. If they even think about none of this, I got to go right in and I'm going straight to Omar. I'm going straight to, I'm going straight to, I'm going straight to my.

I'm going straight to Mr. Brown. I got to go see all to everybody. Like, just the thought of somebody actually thinking that this is a possibility at a historic organization, legacy of, no, it's not happening. Where are you at, Joe? I'm exactly where you're at. No. No, no, no.

Right now it's two, we have players on our team. We have Will Howard. We have Drew Aller. We have Aaron Rogers. This situation with this quarterback, he's going to be the leader of your team. There's too many questions. There's too many things going on. Like when you study these quarterbacks, you just got to find one thing to be like, it's not, I can take him off my board. It's not a reason for us to take them. It's too much drama to take him in the draft. You hear

so much other little things and it's easy to take a quarterback off of your board. Right now, it's just too much noise. He has too much stuff to deal with. And with the Steelers, we do have Will Howard. We do have Drew Aller. We have Aaron Rogers. We got to worry about this season. If this season doesn't go the way we need to, we still have two quarterbacks that we've drafted on our roster, and depending on what happens with the season, we can go next year and know that if we have to go get a quarterback. I'm not thinking Brendan Soresby with all of his problems and all the things that he has going on. Then with his play on the field, they say he's a big guy. He's 6-3, 2-30. I don't care. He threw for 2,700 yards. 6-3? 6-3. Like, that's not

giving me crazy. That ain't good. That's crazy size. Like, all of that. I don't care. We got two boys like 666, 6, 6, 7, something like that right now, quarterbacking? I don't care about what Brandon Soobesby has to go on. I think he's bringing, it would be bringing too much non-necessary drama to the Steelers. We're a solid, we're a great organization. We have Aaron Rogers right now. We have two younger quarterbacks that we drafted that haven't been able to even see what they can do. And they've been staying out the way.

They're not doing anything off the field. they've been working their ass off trying to learn from the coach, trying to get their stuff together and just quietly getting better. Nobody knows how good they are because we haven't been able to see them touch the field. So Aaron Rogers is going to be our quarterback this year. We have two young quarterbacks that are still grinding, trying to understand the game under McCarthy, getting the whole vibes, ready, getting it going.

Bringing them Brandon stores, I don't think he's like an Andrew Luck, you know what I'm saying, like type of prospect. He is not. He's not, in my opinion. Andrew Luck wasn't gambling. That's what I'm saying. even Andrew like, get, if you have a quarterback, that's the position where he needs to be another coach on the field.

All this stuff, when you're talking off the field and doing your research, research is done. People see that he definitely has some problems. He has some things he has to work on. So right now, that's not the pick. Maybe when he goes and sits down for a minute, works out his problems, then we can all talk about that coming back. But as a Steelers organization, you have three quarterbacks on your squad right now. If this is the Arizona Cardinals, maybe a team is just in a bad situation, don't have

have a quarterback. Maybe they be willing to take a shot. But with the Pittsburgh Steelers, no. I think they're set at that quarterback position where after this season, we can see what we got with Will and Drew and then knowing that if we do need a quarterback, we don't have to go get one that has these problems. We can still go do our research and then get a quarterback that we want in our program. And that's fine. We don't have to be in a rush to all of a sudden, oh, a quarterback's in the thing. No, we're not panicking. We're not tripping. We're not tripping. We need. know we know we got we're trying to get this whole team right. Aaron Rogers now.

We got Drew, we got Will. We're, we're good. We're good. All this, this right here is just a four-sport team that doesn't have a quarterback. Like, the Cardinals. It's not only a team that doesn't have a quarterback. It doesn't have a team that doesn't have any integrity whatsoever. Team that's desperate.

Desperate. Desperate. I'm just like, he's just bringing in much. That ain't the Pittsburgh still. Hillers. Orderback position, bro. Buddy's GM was talking about it, though, and they sound more like a fit

than the Pittsburgh Steelers would ever be. Yeah, it's more... Whose GM was that? Oh, you're talking about the... Look, he just keeps keeping all options open. I don't think that would be a good option for us. Y'all see how fast don't realize what I was talking about. He...

Get to talk about my man, you know. God. You know, that's why. Organizations. I mean, organization. Speaking of organization, your organization now, or some people, I should say, reporting Miles Garrett reportedly wasn't a beloved figure that he seemed to be with the Cleveland Browns. organization.

According to Mary Kay, Mary Kay, you get some shit going, man. Gary wasn't a true unifier for the team relative to his on-field impact. Garrett was reportedly respected and revered, but wasn't

necessarily universally loved by everyone on the roster. Garrett was said to have stuck to a tight inner circle when outside of the team's facility. Cabot added, the third, year linebacker, Jerryverse, who was the centerpiece in the Los Angeles trade package for Garrett is expected to be more of a force multiplier than his predecessor.

Joe, what do you think of this report from Mary Kay, Joe? Is there any, you know, sometimes we're in smoke, you know, it's fine, you know, and, you know, what's going on? you know, sometimes, you know, might have a little truth to it. What do you think, Joe? I can see it can have some truth to it. But the thing is, like, you know, Debo, the best player on the team, everybody doesn't have to like him. And at the same time, he doesn't have to be like, Miles, just personality isn't just as much like the most friendliest, like, let's go out and let's just go hang out. He don't hang out with a lot of people.

And it doesn't make him, like, not a, not a. cool teammate, not like somebody that just says, he going to come in here, he has a job to do, he's not really the most, like, he might not be into the same things. Miles Garrett likes anime, he likes, uh, anime. He likes, like, car, he likes certain different, anime. Yeah, I ain't, yeah, I mean. You know what I'm saying? So there's certain things that he would like to do that certain other dudes aren't just

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Open your free IHeart Radio app, search Pride, and listen now. When you're off time, you want to do what you want to do. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're sometimes hanging out. You're just not as kicking it with everybody. But that doesn't mean that you're like not rocking with dudes. When you come into that locker room, you're handling business. You're always on task.

You're always on time. You're making sure things are happening. You're trying to be involved. You're being the best player you can be, period. So as far as force multipliers and hanging out and just bringing people together, you can watch, you can lead leading is in different ways. You can be a vocal leader. Somebody's always talking all the time. But at the end of the day, if you're not bawling and you're just talking, dude's like, shut the hell up.

That's irrelevant. Like you, I don't want you to say anything. You're just talking to be talking. If you're bawling and you're on your stuff, like, oh, I bet, let's get the guys like, we need you here. That's a different thing. That's cool. But Miles is bore. Lead by example.

There's a different. Like, I wasn't just going to go out there and be able to, hey, rah, rah, rah, like bringing the dudes together. That's just not somebody's style. You can just go out of that. You're going to raw, raw, all that, and I'm going to go out here and bawl. I'm going to get six sacks. I don't have nothing to say because, like, just watch me. Watch how I work.

You know what I said? I can lead by this is my way of leading. So I think in other dudes' ways and leading of just rah, ra, bringing it around, bringing the team around, like giving the good energy. That's all great. But if you're not bawling, then I rather, that doesn't mean. matter. That doesn't matter at all. It's just a type of leader that you are. You can lead by vocally talking and still being going out there balling, but the main thing is the main thing. If you're not creating plays, if you're not being on time, if you're not being a true

leader by example, by if I just look at you and see what's going on, that's the way real leaders are because you're out there doing what you got to do, handling your business being a grown man. The talking part is extra when you're, say, a baller, if you're miles getting you able to just, that's just, oh my goodness, yes, we got a dude that's bringing dudes in, but at the end of the day, even if he didn't do that, the balling is what we need. Him doing exactly what his job is, is what we need. So I can understand when dudes are like, oh, no, he wasn't really like, we all, he was revered because he was going to ball the hell out.

But we didn't really like him because maybe he didn't hang out of it. It doesn't matter. It wasn't like, like this is reported. So on that same breath, she says, though, he was respected and revered. That's what I'm saying, because you're going to respect someone. Wasn't necessarily a busing his ass. And doing this work, you can say love because you're just not, that could be more of a, like, because he's not hanging out. I want to know who the people are, who these reported people are.

I would like to know that. I feel like, I feel like this may be just an opinion. Everybody got a, got a, well, I ain't go lie, we didn't really have it like that. When we came up, it was like the whole team hung out. Like, you find us, you know, 25, 30 deep. Now it's hard to even find, you know, a group of 6, 7 deep, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But for me, I guess this is where I believe people have, like, different opinions or beliefs because of the view or perception that they have.

You see what I'm saying? So if you and me is sitting in the room and you sitting over here and I'm sitting over there, we may be looking at the same. we're looking at the same thing, but we got different views. The story you go tell will be different from mine because you had a different view. Both of the stories are true. Yeah. Okay. And I think that's, you know, that may be something of like, you know, what you have here is even if it is people that are saying this, maybe they were looking at it from a different view or they wanted to have a different relationship with him personally.

And instead of them going and making an effort to do it or trying to figure out what it is. that they could do to actually be closer together or have more of a relationship with him because the thing is, like, it's not in question his production, his effort, none of that's in question. Nobody said he was a bad

teammate. Yeah. Okay? Nobody actually disliked him. They said, oh, he wasn't a true unifier. Well, she said he wasn't a true unifier. And, you know, he wasn't a university love. Who the freak is university loved? anywhere in this world.

Nobody. Yeah. But let's stick to, like, what is true? Miles Garrett played nine seasons for y'all boys. Yeah. 134 games. That man had 125.5 sacks, seven pro bows, two defensive players as the years, okay?

And you know what y'all gave him in return? You gave him two winning seasons. Two playoff. Excuse me, two playoffs. One playoff win. in nine years. So I'll say this. If he lacked any leadership or motivational,

they took it from him in the last nine years. He lost the motivation of being able to continually give you a pep talk while they're getting their ass kicked. I'm saying serious, bro. Hey, no, no, no, Dibo. You have a caliber of a player that is here. And every time you're telling him it's going to be better, it's worse. You go and make the playoffs.

And the next year, you immediately go into the tank. 20, you go into the tank. What is it? 23, you go into the tank. What do you think he has lost the rai, right, right? Yeah. He's tired of the bullshit. You're going to keep you going to come out of here.

I'm not, I know what it is. I know what it's going to be. Yep. All y'all doing is giving me lip service, man. Nothing is changing, man. You know what you did to give me to stay. You paid me and said, hey, wait and see. If it don't work, we'll get you out of here.

Yeah, of course, verse could be a person that could come in and unify. Look where he came from. He see, he has hope. He believes that it could be done. He sees it could be done. He's optimistic. Yeah. But don't worry.

Trust and believe. Don't take that away from me. Don't do that. Don't do that. They're going to take that away from me. Don't do that. Don't do that. Keep his, keep his, keep his, keep his,

Keep working hard. Try to, try to galvanize the troops, and we're going to see what the defense does. They're going to pay that man. If he keep playing like he played his rookie year and last year, they go pay that man. They're going to pay him swell. And he'll go realize that you know what? If the Browns keep browning, you're going to be in a situation where you're the new Miles Garrett sitting there getting paid hella good money, the most money on the team,

and you have no chance of ever winning a Super Bowl. and you're going to be trying to find a way to get the hell out of there. Don't nobody want to sit in the game that they love, and the ultimate goal of it, and never receive it, and you're one of the best to ever play the game. No. You ain't lying.

I mean, the Miles Garrett said that you said is exactly, I could feel it. You're going to keep giving the raw, raw speeches, and keep coming in there knowing, end of the day, you're going to keep doing what you got to do, but it takes the other 10 on the defense, takes the other 11 on offense, takes the other 11 on special teams, takes the general manager and the head coach to come in there with the, put the team together, and have a plan for us to execute and come in to win.

So with Miles, I'm coming here every day. I see the plan. I know what y'all got going. I'm going to do my 11th and get all these sacks and do my piece. And let's see what it gets to. So, I mean, I'm with you when I just don't think that with Miles, I think that it was, he's not really as a vocal, a vocal leader. He's not a vocal leader and that's not nothing against anybody. That doesn't matter.

You have to be a vocal leader. I think he's in a different way. And when they're saying this, he was respected because he's going to, he's doing exactly what you got to do. But galvanizing and when that keeps happening, you keep seeing what's going on, it could demoralize your motivation. You knowing that you, you still don't go in ball regardless, but the rah, raw, and ra. It's like this. It's dying. I mean, time I'm going to beat my head against the wall. I'm about to come on. You got to go ball. That's for show. And then we're going to go from there.

We're going to go look at the tape. Who was fucking up? Let's go, let's go edit this. Let's go talk about this. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm going to do my piece. But what do we got to do to win? All of Raraz, that's not getting you to make.

Right. It becomes window dressing, dude. You're hearing the same thing every week and getting the same result. Like, I can't sit here and continually come up with something else. Like, okay, listen, his play is doing his talking. He may not be a guy that's talking to it. I wasn't a guy that was real talkative. But when I talk, I talked, it meant something.

Like, so when you do say something, you don't want to just keep talking. Like, man, all the time. It's like, when I do say something, it means something. You're going to listen. I'm going to address them. But if you just keep talking, your words just start meaning less and less. Less and less. Shut up.

Right. Like when the coach, when the coach call up the dude that, hey, man, come on and break it down. You're like, God, I don't know why he called him up here. That's more. He's weak. He weak with the bring down. He don't even believe what he's about to say. You know what I'm saying?

Come on. No, you ain't lying. You ain't lying. Brough. Yeah, bro. The NFL power rankings, dude. So there's number one after the offseason moves. That's obvious.

Lipp. Los Angeles. Smart. And Seattle. Yes. Yo, Joseph? Yes, sir. Do you agree with this show?

Of course. Of course. I agree with it before they even, Before it was Miles, I thought they were still better than Seattle because they just needed the secondary. They bring them back the same O and they just needed a better secondary. Trent Midduffy and then the other corner that they got too, both of them. I think that made them way just a better team because I thought they should have beat Seattle going against them in the NSC championship, like when they were getting close to going to the Super Bowl. So just if they helped out that defense, kept the same offense, Stafford is still Stafford.

I like it. Now they got Miles Garrett with the D.Bs. I think they're the best team on paper, for sure. Well, yeah, like I said, you got Miles Garrett. Like, the DB upgrade may not even be in totally necessary because now they ain't going to be able to hold onto the balls long. I mean, they won't have as much time. You got to dedicate not just one, maybe two or three.

You know what I'm saying? Like, so that's a big difference. But I'm going to tell you right now, brother, they got, they got. Cincinnati and and the rain and the and the Ravens above they got Cincinnati at a 9

they got the Ravens at an 11th so 1 2 Los Angeles Seattle 3 San Francisco 4 Denver 5 Buffalo 6 New England 7 Chicago 8 Houston I don't know how they got Houston but well yeah I see how do you know how

Yeah yeah 9 Cincinnati. Detroit 10? Detroit 10. That is crazy. Baltimore 11, bro. This dog, this is the most unreal disrespectful thing I don't

seen. Baltimore 8, 9 last year. Cincinnati 6 and 11. I understand that Pearl was heard. Okay, but what has Cincinnati done? Like, they still got defense issues. Like, the linebackers, they ain't did nothing to help the linebackers out.

That's who go make you, that's who will make your tackles. You know what I'm saying? Like, just because Joe said it's the most talented team don't mean that they, they nine now. Oh. That, that don't, that nine in the power ranking, come on. Nine is, Mark, you got them above us too at 11?

And what is he? Three and five? He three and five against us, dude. When we play him well and we make sure he has to pass the ball to beat us and we don't allow Baltimore to run the rock, dude, what are you talking? And y'all got offensive issues. They lost Lindenbaum, the center. You lost the center piece.

Yes. Yes, they did. Yes, they did. Like, along with, come on, man. I'm just trying to figure out, Debo, why there's so much disrespect to the Pittsburgh Steelers here. Dude, that's what I'm trying to get on. They're sleeping on us, bro. They sleep on the down.

They don't even realize how much we didn't do, man, how much we didn't improve on the offensive side of the ball where we needed to improve, dude. The defense was not this. Defense, we're going to be better as a defense. we're going to improve greatly because we have a better coaching staff point blank period that are going to add to the player's abilities to be able to play this game at a technical, at a technical position standpoint and a mental standpoint where they're going to be able to get improvements like Jalen Ramsey talked about from his defensive back coach,

like conversations that Jalen had with the D.C. about the D.C. being able to explain to him and tell him all the positions so he could get a greater understanding of the defense. Like, what are we talking about here, Joe? Yep. This is an I-Heart podcast, Guaranteed Human.