Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Browns GM Andrew Berry Joins! Shedeur vs. Deshaun + Myles Garrett Trade

Episode Date: August 17, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden are joined by Cleveland Browns GM Andrew Berry to discuss the team's offseason moves, the ongoing QB competition between Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson, and much more! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE and use code DEEBOJOE and get $150 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Timeline:00:00 - Intro05:05 - Browns GM Andrew Berry joins13:33 - Andrew Berry on Myles Garrett trade19:08 - Andrew Berry on Browns rookies21:22 - Andrew Berry on Shedeur Sanders vs Deshaun Watson28:31 - Andrew Berry on media criticism31:40 - Andrew Berry on Browns expectations (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Prize picks, America's number one sports picks out. Welcome back to this episode of DeBo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show. How you doing the day, Joe? Brother Debo, brother Debo, I'm doing great.

I know you could tell I am not in my home office. You know what I'm saying? I'm a Myrtle Beach. Where are you? You're at Marble Beach. I'm in a cell, bro. I was hoping. I was, okay.

No school starts next week. You know that flat background. I thought you might have been in a cell. No, no, no. I'm just trying to keep it undisclosed. I let you know I'm in Myrtle Beach, but not where. You know what I'm saying? You never know where.

I'm in murder beach somewhere. But I'm here with the kids. Somewhere. You know what I'm saying? School starts. next week. So a last little vacation. But today, but today. Today. Today. Today. You already know what you got today. Joe, go, go, no, don't you say, don't you say that. Go ahead,

Dibald. Joe, I got it. I got it. Take off. Look here, man. What we got today, man. We have a man that is actually from a bail air Maryland. I only say that because my daddy is from Glenbury, Maryland. So I know. And I'm before Washington, Maryland. Okay. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Now, he also went to Harvard.

Okay? He was there for four years as a starter for the Harvard football team. He earned first team all, I be honest, three times. Come on. In that same process of those four years, Joe, the man earned two degrees, a bachelor's, and a master's degree. Hey, graduated cum laude. The man smart, brother. to A.

He would then enter into the league 2009. Indianapolis, he was a scouting assistant working his way up through the ranks. 2016, he was hired by the Browns. He was a VP of player personnel over there. 2019, he left, did a little hop over there to Philly, became the VP of Football Operations over there. And then January 28, 2020. he will become the youngest GM in the NFL history at just 32 years old.

Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the executive vice president of football operations and the youngest GM to ever do it. Mr. Andrew Barry, welcome to the show, sir. Yes, sir, yes, sir. Hey, fellas. Thank you for, thanks for having me on, Joe, James. James, that's quite the intro, man. and make, I got, you got to be my hype man.

I'm telling you. I tell you, when I bring you in, I bring you in, nah. Look here, man. You go and you look at that list of accolades that I put out there, along with your athletic accomplishments, you know what I'm saying? Like, how did you balance, like, the workload of all of that, plus getting two degrees, what is it, economics and computer science, and then manage to excel and full.

all at the same damn time. How did you do that? Well, so I got to tell a little bit of a funny story from growing up, you know, was really sports and school in my household. Like my mom, she loved basketball and baseball. My dad, he's from Texas. We grew up as huge cowboy fans and everything. And me, my brother, my sister, we love sports, love playing outside, love doing everything like that. But my parents were like, all right, we love that you like being outside, playing ball, everything like that. But if you don't get straight A's, we're going to, we're going to pull you out everything. Like from a very, very early age, that was the rule where if we didn't get straight A's,

we couldn't play sports. So from a very early age, it was like, all right, I'm going to get good grades so I can play ball. Like, that was, that was like my mentality. And so it was, for lack of a term, maybe a fear-based, fear-based, right. Right. And then, you know, as I got older, you learn how to you learn how to juggle with it. I mean, it was, I had a lot of good people around me in college. I had, you know, I had great parents, you know, great teachers and things like that. And I was also fortunate to enter college with a year of credits in the bank. So I was able to get the degree in the last, you know, last, last year there. But it definitely teaches you time management and functioning without sleep. So that type of thing. Okay. So I saw also something

about after you are graduated, I guess you turned down a job at a bus street and you just went on head and entered into the assistant scout over there with the coach. So where you actually like committed to and confident that you would be able to like build a career that was successful in the NFL, like did you know, did you know, did you know, what was it for it? Because it wasn't for the money at that point. You're not especially compared to what you could have been making trading at Wall Street. Yeah, I'll tell you this, James. I think that was one of the best decisions I made in my life because it was based off of something that I was interested in versus something that I was just kind of good at.

And I remember, you know, late in that year, it was just like, all right, trying to get myself worked up. Hey, it's a great resume builder. It pays well. like, you know, what you're supposed to do. And I feel very fortunate that Tom Telesco, former general manager of the Raiders and the Chargers, he was my first boss in the NFL. And he had actually scouted me at the time, you know, when he was running personnel for the Colts. And he was the one who actually reached out to see if I'd have an interest in working in scouting.

And then, you know, obviously, eventually in a front office and, you know, an NFL team. So I didn't really know much about the career path until I went on the, interview process, Tom talked through it. And I was like, you know what? This is a lot more me. Like, this is like what I want to do. So like, I didn't know where the, I can't say with confidence that I knew where the path would go with that time. But I did know that I was like, hey, I think this is how I want to spend my time, how I want to spend my life. And then so that's what, that's what forced the 180, you know, turned down the job, packed up all my things in my 93 Accura legend and I moved out to Indianapolis and then didn't look back. So man, I'll feel very blessed, very

Oh yeah, that's, yeah, that's an amazing story, brother. Like, because I don't know if I would have been like, yeah, I want to go scout and turn down this secure thing over here. I mean, you got, you got, hey, you got a lot more, not more, you know, backbone on a situation like that than I think I would have had. I know you were the VP over there with Cleveland, 2019. I believe you and Joe spent maybe a year. 16-5 to get something like that.

Okay. Hey, tell me about Joe, the player. Hey. Joe. I'm not just saying this because he's here. Joe was awesome. Joe was a complete corner. He could play man coverage.

He could find the ball. He was tough and run support. He was a great team. I'm sure all the listeners can see he has a great sense of humor. Like he was, I mean, you both were great players. And you both know that there are very few guys who were like you guys at the peak of your careers where you guys, you guys could transcend scheme. You guys could really play in any scheme because you were so good. You know, Joe was such a good guy.

you were such a good pass rusher James. And those players are rare. And it's even rare when you also hair that with someone who's a really good person, really good work ethic. We were very, very fortunate to have. Come on, Debo. You know, what you expect is at? Listen, listen, listen.

I'm going to talk to him after we get offline. I let him go on here and give me the real answer. Now, you know, since you don't got over there in Cleveland, you then got to this gym position over there and, you know, you had some changes going on. I think the most notable thing right now is you got your head coach that's over there right now. Yeah. You know, what, I would say, what attributes did Munkin bring to the table and, you know, that you saw that made you be like, you know what? This is our guy.

And even during that time right now through preseason, you know, going through, has that direction. been proven to be or or has what he's done been proven to be what you were thought he would be able to do to the point where you're at now. Yeah, it's a great question. I think the highest praise that I can give Todd as as we've quote unquote like kind of live together is that he doesn't behave or feel like a first time head coach. It's like it's like it's one of those things where you're like, are you sure you haven't, you know, you haven't done this for a little bit? And part of us he had great mentors with John Harbaugh, Kirby Smart, you know, guys like that. But The way I would describe Todd is he is a mix of old school, discipline, work ethic,

you know, things like that with new school football and relationship building, which I think is so important because there is like there are foundational things in terms of how you structure, discipline a team. But look, we're dealing with guys who are in their mid-20s. The game is ever evolving and you've got to be able to like adapt and die, like things that worked in, you know, the 80s or 90s, you know, early 2000s, that's not necessarily going to be the same both schematically or, you know, how you deal with guys who are in their, you know, in their mid-20s right now. And I think that mix is, is pretty unique. And then probably the last

thing I'd offer is we knew that the hire that we made would have a unique challenge in running a young team. We knew we were going to have a very young team, you know, relative to other rosters in the NFL. And we wanted someone who could lead and develop what would be a young, talented group of players. But, you know, just like you guys earlier in your career, is like you guys weren't the same players, your rookie or second year as you were in, you know, year five, six and, you know, five, six and seven. And so, you know, we felt like that was really important. And Todd's background both in terms of having a demonstrated track record, both at the college

level, whether it was Southern Miss or Oklahoma State or Georgia, as well as the NFL level, you know, at, you know, Baltimore, you know, Tampa, certainly here, the one year he was here, you know, we felt like that was, that was a unique combination of strengths that would really serve our team well. Okay, for sure. Now, hey, I got, I got, Joe was a little, Joe was a little hurt when this happened. Belachi, but, you know, you had another significant change when you got rid of your cornerstone over there in Miles Garrett. I think he was there for, what, seven, eight years. So, you know, I can't

lie. I'm not mad that you traded him out of division, you know. I'm just, I'm just letting you know, Mr. Bell, you know, but I understand, you know, I'll say, I understood the strategy going into it. And Joe, like I said, once he got over it and realized what was going on, I get it, got a little better about it. But, you know, in your strategy to make that decision to trade him this year, and I think, or I want to ask you, why did you make that decision for it to be this year and not next year? Why did you feel like you needed to pull that trigger this year? So first of all, you know, Joe, those are, I'd say, well, number one, they're very hard decisions. I'll tell quick story, Joe, here that

when I told my 8-year-old son, I was like, hey, you know, Miles Garrett, he's no longer with the team. Oh, it was two years. His response was, you did what? That was his, that was his response. He goes, he was hurt.

He was hurt. He didn't talk to me for the rest of the afternoon. And then, then here's the other part. So his favorite player for his childhood has been David and Joku. And I hadn't told him yet that David had signed with the Chargers. So poor parenting moment. I told them both those pieces of news at the same time. So it was a rough, it was a rough couple days. You gave my right left.

And I'm not done yet. In the very household. But, you know, look, Miles is a great player. He's a generational pass rusher. And it's special to have an individual like that on your team, particularly one that's homegrown. Because of that reason, we weren't going into the offseason. in, like, there was no active plan or scenario that we were going to go out and try and try and trade

miles scare it. But at least what I've learned being in this position is that there are some opportunities that come up unexpectedly that, like, basically cause you to stop and, like, reevaluate, you know, where you are. And, hey, is this really hard decision something that may be better short term and long term for, you know, for the team? And when L.A. came, you know, we've we've gotten maybe a handful of like, call it, you know, aggressive, you know, pick type deals. But like those, those really don't, those really don't match with a player as rare and as unique as Miles. When L.A. included, you know, a player who's going into his third year, he's a premium edge rusher. You know, he in his first two years had accomplished more than, than really a lot of great players in this league. week early on and we felt like was a really strong match for what we want to do. On top of the draft resources, we felt like it was a unique combination of, you know, getting a young start

at a premium position who was cost controlled, high level resources, and then a trade where you're not just leaving a gaping hole with the team. Because you're getting a really good player plus the future value with the picks and the dollar. So it was really hard because I remember talking through Todd with this and walking through it. And I was like, you know, he's like, no, I totally understand like, you know, how you see this is good for us. And then I joked, I was like, I'll be honest. Like, I don't want to be the, I don't want to like, I'm not looking forward to this press

conference like to tell people like, you know, that we traded Miles Garrett, that type of that's not, you know, that's not something that I want to do. But I feel very strongly that this combination of things that we're receiving for the organization for the team, you know, will make us better off, you know, we'll make us better off moving forward. That, that player you're talking about is obviously Jaredverse. I believe you were quoted as saying he has the perfect D&A match for the team and getting him to the Rams or getting him in that deal with the Rams was a non-negotiable. So now that you have him there and, you know, you've seen what he's doing to this point, has that solidified your assessment of him? It really has, James.

And, you know, Jared, Jared versed an attack front with his speed and his power and his motor is, I think it's just uniquely suited to marry together. And I, you know, I would, I'm not just saying this as I'm on the pod, but I think his, I think the only person that I can remember in my scouting career who's had as much power as a rusher as him as you. Okay. I like that.

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of the defense, it's all about generating negative plays and rushing the passer. and just his style of play and how he produces, you know, we think that he's really going to create a big impact for us. That's good. So look, Long story, A-B, you've been doing great. We've been talking about, I've been talking about how you've been cooking

in these drafts lately. So let's talk about some of these draft picks that we got with Spencer, with Casey Concepcion, and David Boston. How do you think that they've been performing doing it since they gained to the Browns? really really pleased with all three of those guys obviously they're rookies they have a long way to go but you know knock on wood i think i'll start with spencer you know transitioning in at left tackle that's one of the harder positions to to work in as a rookie and i think spencer kind of had his ups and downs like in spring and early in camp like you would expect but i think really honestly the past two and a half weeks he's really settled into a nice rhythm and we were really pleased particularly with you know his play during the the preseason game um this past Saturday, you know, against Chicago.

He's really settled into that left tackle role well. He's very athletic. He's physical. And then the other thing is he's a sponge when it comes to learning, you know, work ethic, things of, you know, things of that nature. The two receivers, you know, Casey and Denzel, that's a position where they acclimate a little bit more quickly. And we've been really, really pleased with the return so far. Casey, he's a high-level separator, really good with the ball in his. hands. We saw what he could do as a punt returner this past weekend. He is, he's the queen on the

chessboard. You can move them all around and create matchup advantages because he's such a versatile player who has playmaking both before and after the catch. And then Denzel, you know, Denzel, you know, he really has played like he's a, you know, seven or eight year veteran since he's, you know, since he's been here. He's your classic ex-body type, bigger frame, you know, elite hands and elite in the contested spaces. But the thing that Denzel probably doesn't get enough credit for is, you know, he can really run and he's a good separator, especially for a bigger body. Usually those bigger bodies, they have to make all their plays. Somebody on them.

You know, in traffic. Yeah, exactly. Where Denzel can really do both, which really opens up your playbook down the field. So look, we're only one precincts is in game in and a couple weeks in camp. So there's a long way to go. But the early returns have been promising. and we're looking to see them grow together. Sure.

Yeah. For sure. Yeah. So I got to jump on the elephant in the room. Yep. Y'all got a little bit of a quarterback battle over there, a little public battle room over there between Shador and Deshaun. I think a lot of fans or people in general are conspiracy theories to some degree.

and I want to just cut the BS and put it out there and ask you the question because it's easier just coming straight from the horse's mouth. And it's a lot of people I know if you heard that said, you know what, they're paying Watson too much money to not start it. Okay. And that is that is BS. I know it's going to be based on performance. But I'm going to let them hear straight from the horse's mouth. How much of the pressure is on you to start the, to Watson because of what you paying.

Yeah, it's a great question. I know that can be a common narrative in professional sports, but you're 100% right. It doesn't matter what they're paid when they're on the field. Like, you know, what we want are wins and performance and production. Look, there are going to be guys that, there are going to be high-salary players that get outperformed by lower salary player.

There are going to be something that, like, that really hit the mark. It just, I mean, shoot, if teams in general, general operated with, hey, we've just got to play the money, so to speak. You know, James Harrison would never have a career, right? He never, he never touched it. Yeah, you'd never have a career. And, and so, and that's particularly important at the most important position in sports, which is, you know, which is quarterback. So it's a performance base, you know, decision. The contract, you know, does not matter. We're pleased with both guys. Like, I think they both had a nice preseason and they did some good things in the game this weekend. But

But, you know, ultimately it's, it's performance and production. That's going to drive the decision for Coach Mom. There it is, Debo. Listen, I know, you know. I don't want to listen to them, bro. They don't want to listen. I don't get down by no money. I don't care about it.

From that last game, Coach, how would you say, A.B., how would you rate the performances, though, from the quarterbacks? Yeah, I think we saw good things from both guys. Obviously, look, it's preseason. So, you know, guys aren't going to be perfect. I'd say with, you know, Deshawn, we were really pleased with, you know, how we, how we operated the offense. You know, he navigated the pocket well. He was accurate. He was really good with his progressions. And then when we had either miss cues or a look that, you know, we weren't necessarily expecting down the field and coverage, he did a really nice job. You know, he didn't break off like a huge scramble, but he did a good job of turning a play that really should have been a negative into a no game or a short game with his, you know, with his legs.

obviously would like to have the fumble on fourth down back and the delay of pain penalty. But really, really pleased. He's putting a lot of hard work over the past, you know, really over the last year plus. And I think that really showed. And then Shador, I think we continue to see major growth in Shador's game, both in terms of his processing speed. We know he's got a really natural touch with the deep ball. We know he's naturally accurate. I think you watch him in terms of how he navigates the pocket.

That's greatly improved from his rookie year. And then really, you know, the operation as well because, you know, this offense puts a lot on the quarterbacks at the line of scrimmage. And I think both of those guys really handled it well. Obviously, I don't like to see the turnover. I think Chador said after the game, you know, eyes in the right place, good decision, didn't execute the throw. And that's accurate. Like, you know, guys are going to have bad throws. in his case, you know, I think, you know, obviously the inside of the pocket kind of got

pushed into his lap a little bit, which probably caused a little bit of a higher trajectory on the throw. But on the whole, a lot of good to take. And then some good moments where we're going to be able to coach off of them and then really improve as we go into the Buffalo week. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I don't think a lot of people understand how hard it is to get you a franchise quarterback in this league.

And when I say a franchise quarterback, I'm talking about somebody that's there for for, you know, eight years plus. That is the face of your, you know, the face of your, you know, your team. And it's so many quarterbacks out here that aren't first round picks that have had successful, great, long, hell, the goat of all of them is Tom Brady. And he was drafted in the sixth, you know.

So I think, you know, that's something that's, you know, that's a GM thing. That's, that's a owner thing. That's, you know, that's something that you guys have to go through. So, you know, in your experience, do you find it easier or better, I would say, to bring in a proven player through a trade or free agency? Or would you just target, you know, that one guy in the draft and develop that quarterback? That's a great question. I think you have to be open to both avenues, to be honest.

And, you know, quarterback is such a difficult position. just because of all that's on the plate mentally, physically, how much you grow over the course of your career. But the other part of it is the environment around the player and the development process, I think, is equally as important as the talent. And I think we've seen that time and time again, you know, across the league as guys have kind of risen and fallen, you know, over the course of their career.

And that's something that, you know, organizationally, you know, we have to be conscious of when we're evaluating these guys. And then ultimately, if, you know, we're selecting a starter, you select a guy in the draft, or you sign or trade for a veteran being very deliberate in terms of how you structure the environment. Because, yes, quarterback's the most important position. It has the, you know, the biggest driving towards winning. But it's also very, very interdependent on the scheme and what you're asking the player to do. you know, the protection with the O-Lyide, hey, do you have a complementary run game? What are the, what are the perimeter weapons? Like, all of that plays into the effectiveness at the position.

So, you know, I guess long went away of saying, James, like, I think both avenues are, are good ones. I think it maybe creates different challenges, right? With the young player, you're probably going to have longer startup costs, but, you know, they kind of grow up in your environment. they learn a certain way of doing things with your coaching staff. With a veteran, you know, there's probably maybe a little bit more adjustment in terms of their custom way of playing if they've had a level of success.

But, you know, they're so hard to find and it's such a hard position to play that I think you just have to be open to all avenues. Well, yeah, definitely. I mean, I mean, that's why you guys take all the heat, you know what I'm saying? Hell, the gym, something goes wrong. It's, it's the gym's fault. They're trying to get rid of him. hell y'all got to be stressed at depth hey how do you say manage or or or or how do you manage to not let it affect you you know the criticism and all that what do you do to decompress you know from the stress of the job

look look I would say that I mean you guys lived it throughout your careers as well it's it's probably any any profession that's in the public whether it's you're an athlete you're an entertainer or a GM you're a head coach or a politician it comes with the territory so there's certainly a factor where you just kind of get used to it just because, you know, it's, it's part of the job. I think the second part of it from my perspective is you can't control what people write or say about you, but you can't control your inputs. And so for me, I usually just like, you know, I focus on work, you know, focus on, you know, family, things like that. And then, you know, all the, look, we work in the entertainment business.

And so everybody loves talking about, everybody has, you know, strong opinions. It's what makes, it's part of what makes the NFL great. that doesn't mean you have to consume all of that. You know, you generally want to try and keep your eye on the ball in terms of what you can control and ultimately what matters. And then the other part of it is I think, and I think I would guess that probably the two of you may agree with this, especially as you guys have gotten older,

the balance that family and particularly like kids have, like in your life and the perspective that they bring, I think that's like, that's really important because, you know, if you're grinding really the only thing that you have to worry, about is like your career in your your early 20s, your mid-20s, then, you know, maybe that some of that stuff wears on you a little bit more. But, you know, when you have, you know, other responsibilities at home, it really does balance it out and brings it in perspective and can keep you a little bit calmer and cooler in those, in those tougher moments. You ain't got a man cave or nothing like that

somewhere you go, you fish, do something to what you do to compress. I do have the man cave in the basement. I do have the man cave in the basement. Do have a man cave in the basement. Love I love, you know, your kind of Netflix streaming, stuff like that. Big, uh, big crossfitter. Okay. Okay. Did you go, Debo. Yeah.

Yeah. That's, that's huge for me. It's a great, I love working out. It's a great, you know, stress reliever as well. Yes, it is. You know, the other, the other thing is, I just love spending time out time, whether it's like hike, a run, you know, whether, you know, maybe play hoops, something like that. There go.

Yes. It's really, yeah, it's, it's stuff like that, that, that, that, that, that, that, really that really balances it out. Okay. Okay. I'm just making sure I'm like, you got to do something to do that's right. That's right. You can't be all working family. You got to have something where you get like, you know what? Hey, I'm going to love y'all a chef, but you know what I'm saying? Let me get a little bit over here. This is what I say. I love chocolate. I've got a huge sweet tooth. I love chocolate, right? I can't have chocolate for every single meal. Otherwise I'm going to get, otherwise

I'm going to say it. I love football. I love my job. I love it. You know, but there are sometimes times that you got to get away a little bit to be the best version of yourself. Question A. No question. So with the Browns, we're going into this season, how far do you think, or if not, how far do you think we are away from being able to win this division? Yeah, it's a great question, Joe, and I know it's like the question that's on every fans' money.

For me, I don't ever put a ceiling on a given team. And I think we just see it time and time again. Like if you think about a year ago, you know, Kansas City was going to Super Bowl. They ended up picking in the top 10. Since I was one of the favorites, they ended up picking them in the top, you know, the top 10. You know, Chicago was coming off of five and 12 season. They win, and, you know, the lines were supposed to go to the Super Bowl, lines out of the playoffs. Chicago wins in the occasion.

Jacksonville, you know, picking in the top five. They go win 13 games. And then probably the best example, you know, the Patriots were picking four, right? Yes. And, you know, they had one and done, co. and, you know, there was no shot that they were going to do anything, and they're the AFC champions. And so I say that because, and I think that's particularly the case for a young team,

that there usually ends up being a wide range of outcomes that can happen, which is both, well, I guess depending on you, if you're glasshouse floor, it's empty guy, yep. It could be really exciting or really terrifying, right? Because it could go, but we're really excited about the, particularly the young core that we have on both sides of the ball. And we've got to continue to grow them and develop them. obviously we've got to see how our you know our quarterback position shakes out but we really like

the group of players that we've brought in particularly the past two off seasons and we like the progress that we've made i can't sit here and say i have a crystal ball and can predict you know what you know what that's winning me in terms of wins and truth be told there's also a little bit of luck for sure right whether it's with injuries or you know something along those lines but um you know we expect to be a competitive team and we expect to be playing our best football later during the year, you know, as this group continues to grow and play together. Okay. Look here.

I'm going to tell you, listen, I might, I might actually rule for y'all. Got to. Except for maybe two, you know, you know, you know, maybe three. You know, you know, you know what those games going to be now, okay? I can take that, James. I can get that. I'll go with that. Okay.

Hey, AB, you've been around since, what was it, 2009, right? Yes. Okay. So you've been around since 2009. Is it anything that, you know, I would say in the league as far as maybe rule changes, whatever it may be that you may, that you would want to see implemented, either brought back or taken away? That is a great question.

Boy, put me on the spot right there, James. I was just, yeah, I was just, you know, I'm thinking. I got to think about that. I know me. I know what I want back, Debo. You know what I want back. I want back then four-man-way. I want to see who really wanted.

I've got to be honest. I'll say I admittedly was maybe a little bit skeptical with the new kickoff role. I was curious of how it was going to play out. I actually think it's very much been a net positive in terms of the plays that we get. And then even just the safety component as well, I think I think that's been, I think that's been very, very well done. Yeah. You know, I think,

James is going to appreciate this one. I think maybe some of the quarterback protection goals are a little bit extreme. Facts. Please. Thank you. Just a little. Just a little. Just a little bit.

Can we at least call it like forcible hit? Yeah. Instead of just touching him? Like, let me get at least a swing, something. You $350, $350 trying to get their body weight off. It's crazy. Right. I'm landing on, I'm dropping my hands where you ain't drop off enough weight.

I put my hands down. And then what I'd like to see, I'd actually like to see the incorporation of more replay and technology. So to point to your point with the QB, you know, hit, you know, hit that. I think that's a call that we should be right 100% at the time, right? Like we can, we could, the sum where it looks like, okay, he really hits him on the shoulder pad, but, you know, his head jokes, and we get those calls wrong. I think that that's something that we should be able to, you know, replay assist and get right. And I know, you know, we're doing a lot

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That's right. Let's go for it. Right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, you know, them bang, bang, play. It's something else, too.

Like, we got to find a way to get like that. Like, I understand the hit to the helmet, but like, the incidental where he actually makes a tackle and the bottom of the helmet, like, touches. and now it's, come on, we get, like, I mean, how much do you want these guys to do? You got the defense just adjusting to everything. And the offense, like, they're not responsible for him. Yeah, it's, it's, it's tough. It's tough on the players.

It's tough on the refs. Yeah, those are tough. And the penalties, they're so punitive, right? Because they're 15. Yeah, 15. You know, it's like, hey, that's right. It's the letter of the law. But sometimes it's tough to stomach when you're on the other.

end of it. Yeah. Yeah, look here, man. So Joe and I have been talking about making the trip up there to camp or to a game because you already know, you know, Joe's, he wanted him ride a drive around. And, you know, that's my dude, so I'm willing to go with him, you know, so he can be happy. And I'm from Akron, Ohio. I'm saying. I know that, right? I did know that. I did know that. I did know that. I'm from Macron, Ohio. So, you know, we're going to have to let you know when we can, when we can make it over there. You let us know when it's a great time for us to make it over there because we know you got to get you up out of here. We don't ran over that time in him a little bit.

Joe, if he comes up, can we get him in some brown gear? Maybe Hayden, Jersey. Can we get him in that? Let's talk about it. Yes, yes, we're going to get them offline. This hat, this brown still had is probably all like that. I'm going to throw a sticker right on top of that thing. He won't even know it, AB.

Oh, he won't even know it. I'll tell you what I can't do for you. I could come neutral. All right, all right. Hey, that's progress. We'll take them. We'll take it. I could come in the, you.

I can come in the deep-bo and joke. There we go. That's what I could do for you. Hey, man, look here. A-B, man, we really appreciate you coming on with us, man. We don't want to take up too much more of your time, brother. But, you know, appreciate it. Thank you, man. You're, I ain't a lie.

You're cooking with grease over there. You're doing your thing. I appreciate you. A.B., always, man. Thank you guys for allowing me on. I love the podcast. You two are some of my favorite people. favorite players. So I feel honored to be able to spend, you know, the last, last 40 minutes

my man. Thank you, man. We appreciate you, man. You have a good one, man. All right, you guys take it easy. Don't eat too much chocolate at lunch, now. I'll be good. I'll be good. I'll be good. All right. I'll see you all. Yes, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Andrew. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Look here. Ron of a flaw. Good old, good old A-B, man. Shout out. Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. Look here, Joe. Is that my good brother? I'm trying to tell you. Man. Listen, I ain't know. The man smart as a whistle. Summa cum laude.

Cum laude. Summa. Oh, my man. He did cum laude. He did cum laude. He did cum laude. He did cum laude. You know, I don't know about that.

You know me. I don't know nothing about them laughing. I don't know. I don't know. I ain't get no lotty I ain't get cool or lot I didn't get Lottie I ain't get Suma Kum Lottie

I ain't get summa Kum Lottie I ain't do nothing that I got body I got body Well well well So Tell me about that in my We're to them Browns man

We're actually to the game Now we're talking to the Brown Now let go ahead Because he said he said You know Both quarterbacks they did It's preseason You know

It's preseasoning for Zach, Fax. Joe Fax, it's preseason Joe. Jaisa. Hey, hey, Joe, I ain't gonna like. Browns. Defense, the first quarter, was cool.

First quarter, cool. Maybe, maybe a little bit into the second quarter, too. And then, them boys crumbled a set for a, what was it? They got an interception in the second quarter. And then after that, hey, I'm going to go to the offense, bro.

it's a lot of holes on that offensive line right now, buddy. You got, you got, you got, you got some,

you got some, some, you got some, some, some, some, officer line. Yeah.

But if you cannot block and you can't run the ball, you can't block to run the ball or pass the ball, that's a problem. That's going to be a problem for it. Anybody out there playing. That's a problem.

But, you, your guy, you got Casey Concepci, Concepcium, on. Hey, he did his thing. He didn't go.

Listen, the first pump return, that first prime return he got. He's gone to the house. I said he going to the house. I said it. Listen, as soon as he caught the ball, I said he going to the ball. I said he going to the house. I said, hey, he can go into the house. And then dude was able to slide out there and tap that leg, bro.

I'm like, oh, my goodness, bro. I'm like, oh, my, I don't even know why I wanted to see it, I know, because I don't know. I just want to see it. You know what to see it, you know what I want to see it, yo. I just want to see. You know what I want to see some taxes? Okay, so Debo, what was your, what was your assessment of the game?

Okay, so first, are we going to go quarterback? We were talking to some good. We had some bad. Quarterbacks, yeah. I tell you this. Tell me something. I started watching. Okay, start with Desha.

I thought he did, he did a whole lot better than I thought he was going to do. Okay. Ditto. Dido. I tell you that. like you know he had he had some some some some some some errant throws or whatever it was but going off of what excuse me going off of what I was seeing in practice like from you know what we had saw in practice and all that I didn't I didn't think he was going to you know be able to do what he did like he had I think it was like he had one pass that was really sideways uh but other than that

dude, it was a couple that dudes dropped. Actually, the first, I think it was the first drive they did, or it was the second, it was the second drive. They, um, he was in the pocket. He sat there. He delivered the ball. 44. He dropped the same.

Yes, yes, yes. Yes. He dropped that one. That would have been the conversion. That one could have, that one, yeah, that one could have continued. But they did get a field goal from that one. What was it? I mean, I think for, for me, like, he just.

I didn't expect much from him. I think that's what it was. I didn't expect him to be able to move like he did. Like he showed, like he said, he showed, he showed he could get up out of the pocket. Like, you know, he did almost have a pick, but, I mean, that horseshoos and hand grenades is the only thing that count in almost, right? I'm just saying. So, I mean, what do you see from Watson? This one I'm going to see.

He did better than I expected, Debo. Like you said, I didn't know what to expect. coming off the injuries, you know what I'm saying? Like athleticism. He looked smooth. He didn't look bad at all. He didn't look great. He didn't look bad.

He looked like he was like comfortable a little bit throwing on time. The offensive line wasn't that good. So he was still got like pressure. He was a lot of pressure on him. So that was what it was. He didn't throw the ball too far down the field, but he was getting it out of his hands. He took the sack. And then when you, the strip sack, it's just that you just can't.

You got to protect the ball. So it wasn't, it wasn't like, oh, man, Deshaun did so good, but he didn't, he didn't do bad. It was, it was, it was okay. Right. And that's the thing. Like, I go and I was okay. So, so that's what I was, I was proud. I was looking at it because Deepa, I wasn't expecting nothing for, I didn't know what to expect.

So with that, I'm like, okay, that, that's good ball. And I'm not going to hate it and be like, no, no, you did terrible or you did. No, that was okay. You got to protect the ball a little bit more, took a sack, through a little bit of air and passes, but you didn't throw it too far downfield. but you were efficient. We were moving around. Like, it didn't look bad. Now, when Shador comes in, the line is still not as that good.

You can't fumble, bobble to snap. The ball, when you throw it, they keep batting the balls down. And then when you throw that pick, I hear this slipping and all that. But, like, we're in a quarterback competition right now. We're going versus the twos. He's wide open. We have to make that throw when I'm talking, like, when we want to be the starting quarterback, for the NFL team.

And you're trying to take the position from Deshaun Watson. We need all of that. You know what I'm saying? So when I'm looking at the game, it's like, Shador, you did not do that. You fumbled the snap. You were getting your balls batted down

and you threw an errant pick. Some of the deep balls that you did, you did do well. You threw some passes on time. And it looked nice. When that ball was jumping out of your hand, you know what I'm going to say? That looks good.

You look like a real quarterback. Like, I'm like, okay, that's an arm. I like that. But now when I'm looking at it, like, I'm just not going to, that was still, the other ball, the interception, that, you can't do that. The fumble and the snap, your balls can be embedded down. And that, it didn't look like you would, like you took the job. So now you obviously, you're going to go play versus the bills.

You're going to be able to start the next game. You're going to get, you to go with the, with the ones. But when you're looking at it from outside and with coach, how coach is talking about how he was just impressed with how Deshaun is out there, how he's kind of just, you know, coach. For me, he's like, oh, it wouldn't be fair if Shador didn't get to start the second game. I'm like, right, because you're going to get those same players. That basically sounds like he kind of basically already, you have to steal the job, Shador. It's kind of like, Deshaun. You got to steal the job.

It's his job to win right now for me. I'm like, you got to take it. From what I've seen in the game, I can agree. Like, Deshawn Watson didn't look terrible. He didn't look in. And Deshaerre did when you came in there, mind it be with the second team, mind it be with when you were out there. Well, that's why we get

the chance to see next week. We'll get the chance to see next week, him with the ones. Now he'll get Casey Concepcion. He'll get that same old line. He'll get, he'll get, you know, he'll get fanning. He'll get, he'll get the,

the weapons that, you know, Watson had, and we'll see how it looks. But I'm with you, bro. Like, the thing I saw that I thought Shador did better, like, Shador really ropes that ball, man. He gets dead. He throws it down the field.

It was 30-yard joints and it's hidden. It don't matter where he's going to. It's just, it's like, it's like a dot. It's like there. Wow. It may be off, but it's there. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's getting there now.

That was something that I noticed. And then when you go and you look at, um, with, um. Watson? With Watson, sorry, with Watson. Dude, he still got it. He could still move. I thought that he was more athletic and his scrambles than Sador was. I think he is.

He is more. athletic. Like, Shador never was a guy that could run fast and did that, Deon Sanders. But, you know, that don't mean that Chador's four to. He's not, he's not fast. He's a legitimate pocket passer. Stand up in the pocket, throw the ball. Deshawn, too. When I'm looking at the two, Debo is Deshawn was moving around smooth. But like that, he still, I'm still thinking. I mean, I've seen some places where he was still a little, little fidgety and if you're running like that, you could still be getting. Almost two years, three years? You're going to be getting hit. What is it?

How long he ain't played? Two, three years? This is first actually like six hundred and thirty, six hundred and thirty some days. Okay, so over two years, well, a little over, close to two years. And this is what I get. I see. And then, you know, comparatively to what Shador did, I see why we are where we're at now. Like, he's good, Shador's going to have to come out there and take this.

Yeah. Like if you come out and there's any, you know, any closeness of this competition, I just don't. Even, it's looking like they're leaning because we're hearing from Todd Monkin where the head coach, he's telling it's a competition. He's saying he's feeling more comfortable with the way that Deshaun Watson is kind of running it. So for my, I was always, I'm Shador. I won't want Shador to go out there and start. But when I'm looking at now, okay, this is our first game. It's still the first preseason game.

I'm going to be honest. It didn't look like obviously he didn't have the ones he wasn't starting. but you got to outplay. You want to see him out there looking like he's out playing. You know what I'm saying? Like from there next game, hopefully he's going to go get the bills, go out there and spas. You got to go crazy, but it's looking like Todd is kind of leaning there.

But for me, Shador, still, when you get out there, though, we need balling. We know, we know what time it is. You know what I'm saying? We can't just be having, like, batted balls all the time, just having stuff. It got to be looking smooth, bro. Got to look smooth.

Yeah, I think you, like you said, you get him out there. He gets the same, excuse me, the same personnel as Watson had this game. And I'm thinking he's going to have to go out there and he's going to have to put in a nice performance if he's going to have an opportunity to take this away. And I hate to say it, but Watson would have to come in behind him and not have as nice. We're going to see this. And they both do the same thing. I see Watson get in the starting position. Yeah.

From me, I wanted what I was expecting to have what I thought was going to happen with Shador, being able to go out there and just perform at a very high level. But now just hearing the information, seeing what we saw. Well, he only, listen, he only got a quarter of a play. No, no. I got the whole set court. So that's why we got the blitz. I'm just trying to go.

He'll get a whole half of play. I'm hoping against the bill. I'm just saying, though, if we're looking at it from the perspective of just everything that we've been saying, from the coach saying that he's going to go out there and play, start at practice and he doesn't start. Then Deshaun Watson goes out there and he starts the first preseason game. Coach is speaking very, very highly of him and says it wouldn't be fair to give Shador

the second game start. I'm like, damn, you kind of almost handed it to him. You know, not handed it to him, but it's like you're going to, like it wouldn't be fair if he didn't. Hold on, hold on. Hold on. Would you say it wouldn't be fair to give him this story? Yes, brother.

They're saying like, oh, like, oh, like it's. When did, hold on, hold on, hold on. I thought you said it wouldn't be fair for him to not get the start. Yes. So he's starting the second game. You said it wouldn't be fair for him not to get to start. Okay. All right.

You said all right. You reversed. But, Debo, I'm like this. That's, I mean, that's obvious. With my, just listening to it, it's kind of like he kind of already knows a little where he wants to go. Like that, when you hear it from that perspective, do you see what I'm saying? Like, listen, Joe, you've been around me too long.

You read them between the line. I'm going to tell you this, Debo. I'm just realizing, though, for. Real for real. Sometimes if you listen hard enough, they're telling you what they want, what they want. You know what I'm saying?

It ain't always about what they say. It's what they do. It's about what they don't say. And what they do. And what they do say and what they, you got to take in everything. You got to take in everything. You got to take in everything, Joe.

And I think, listen, Joe, you're starting to wise up a little bit. And you know what I'm saying? You're getting there. But. Keep watching, Joe. You didn't avoid Dylan Gabriel went in there too. You seen Dylan went in there too.

Hey, listen, man, Dylan ain't in the conversation. You're just saying, look, I'm... What are we talking about, brother? Dylan went five or eight for 22 yards, one interceptions. I understand he was sacked twice because he was in with the... Five, but... He ain't got a chance. Yeah, yeah.

You got to go, yeah. I just had to put it, I just, you know, because look, this is all I'm saying. This is all I'm saying. What? What happens to the other boy? The green. Hopefully he gets a shot.

But this is all I'm saying, O'Deebo, when I'm watching this, and I'm looking at our quarterbacks and the line and everything is going on. Hold on. Who's our quarterbacks? Our quarterbacks, and we just got off the phone just now with our boy Andrew Barry. Right now, we're talking about the Browns.

Talking about Deshaun, Shador, and Dylan. And then I'm like, just when I was watching it, I'm like, yo, why couldn't it just be a little bit like smoother like like like distillers was like like like like like like like miler like Howard

that looked smooth my quarterbacks three quarterbacks no my quarterbacks no no no fogginess no finagery you're talking about my quarterback and they're like weren't they weren't they weren't wasn't Drew playing with the tools wasn't Drew playing with the tools you you talking about my quarterback

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