Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Can Deshaun Watson Return To Form? + Lamar Jackson Disrespected in NFL Top 100?

Episode Date: July 14, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden react to an NFL insider doubting whether Cleveland Browns QB Deshaun Watson can return to form, Baltimore Ravens QB Lamar Jackson being ranked No. 69 on NFL Top 100 list, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Intro09:00 - Will Deshaun Watson bounce back?21:15 - Lamar Jackson ranked 69th in NFL Top 10030:00 - Micah Parsons unhappy with Jordan Love's Top 100 rank (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and like the button. Come on, man. I'm going to have to get your... How you're doing it, Joe? I'm doing great today, brother, Dibo. I'm doing extraordinary. You see, I got the guns out. Feeling good.

Hold up. Hold on. You got guns in there? You see it. Don't, Debo, stop acting like you, like you hard of hearing. You see them. You see these by guns.

All you are. I thought you had some guns. I thought you were showing the gun. Not, not literal guns. You know what I'm saying? Oh, heavy artillery on the biceps. On the biceps and triceps. Don't stop.

Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. Joe, heavy artillery. Brough, I don't have to get this close to see. Divo, you see me, man. Back up. Hey, let me see it. Put it in the camera. Let me see.

Back up. Oh, I see. All right, you got an arm. Rocked up. Chill armed. Did you get your work in this morning? You know I did. I know you did.

See? Hey, you see? See that? That would it look like. See how far away back? You still see that thing. You got more, you have more LBSs than me.

You know what I'm saying? Pounds. Pounds. LBS. You have more pounds than me. So you're just, you're just a bigger being. I ain't victim weight.

I ain't victim. Joe, I ain't. I know you're not. I ain't never been a victim. I ain't just a big human being, Dibbo. Hey, Joe, last time I was. was a victim weight. I think I was, I was a child. I think I was, I might have been, I might have been a young, young man. I might have been 17, you know, I was brown at 190, you know,

I take it back. I take it back. I take it back. I'm not seeing year. I was six two, two, ten. So that ain't right. No, you're you lying. You know, you were six foot, 190 pounds. I had certain. I never got over six foot. You still not over six foot. You six feet. I get, I get, now you being, now you just being, now you just being, salute the disrespectful. Let me give you six, man. I'm six foot in a little bit more. You're stealing your six foot with your shoes on.

Right. We go, bro, we go to my doctor. We're going to go to a doctor, period. And we go measure me. Bare foot, standing up. Yeah. I promise you, I'm going to be over six. And we go in all this stuff that everybody be talking about.

Oh, he's six foot if that, barely six foot, just a little under six foot. Debo. All that. Thousand percent. If you measure six foot. If you measure six foot from a doctor that is not your doctor or my doctor, we're going to a regular doctor. He don't know who you are.

You know what I'm saying? You're going to walk in there, take your shoes off, and we're going to measure. Will we just walk into a clinic somewhere? Somewhere that's not, somebody that's not going to lie. Where we could be like, no. Ain't nobody go lie. Joe, you're going to be right there. You're going to have your shoes off, heels on the ground, no tippy toes.

I'm going to make sure you let's do that combine. That way we ain't got no. That combine. That combine, you're going to be on your tippy toes a little bit, try and do the most. I'm like, Debo, just stand normal and put your heels down, and then we'll see. What my height's, I don't know what they do at Combine,

but what my height say? I know what they did in my pro day. What my heights say? It say six foot. All right, for sure. But you might have shrunk a little bit because you know you got, you know, you're not going to get taller. You're getting close to that.

You might start going down, you know. Once, twice a child. I was still, when I was six foot, I was over six foot. They just ain't given me, because I wasn't six one. They ain't say that game. Give me those quarters and all that other stuff. Yeah, for sure, because they were not. I'm not sure, but I'm still, six foot.

You're five, eleven and a 99 one hundredths. So what's your height, though? I'm five. Honestly, you want me to really, all right. Honestly, honestly, honestly, I am five, ten and seven, eights. I didn't, why are you talking about you taller? than me. I'm not taller to you. That was your combine, right? That's my combine.

I'm legitimate five Tennessee. And you don't got older to when you're not strong. My back, I started getting taller. I started getting a little bit taller. I'm still maybe growing a little bit. I might have leveled up. Joe, how old are you, Joe, you still growing? Look, because with my stretching, with my stretching, my back had been compressed. What if you like a turtle, you lived to be two, three hundred years old or something? No, no, no. I'm not going to keep on. Right now, I'm five foot 11. Somehow, I'm just a little bit.

I'm 511. Who told you you was 511? He's a liar. That's what I'm telling you. We're both going to go to not my doctor, not your doctor, just a rate. Was that when you had braids and they was measuring on top of the braids?

I think that might have been it. I think he might not have been a push down on my head enough yet. I ain't had no hair. I've been cutting mine balls since college. Even when I did have a fade, it wasn't nothing but a little bit. My height been my height since it's been my height.

It's going to be my height. not be my height, it's always be my high. 5-11 and 99-100. Oh, I didn't never go be hotter than me. I'm five, I'm five, ten, and seven-eight's. You got me by one inch. No. You don't understand.

You're not shrunk. And I'm taller than what they said. They got you. I've seen you. We found out. I need to look back at some of the film when we are walking down. I need to go back to the Super Bowl film. When we're walking together and I'm looking at you.

I'm looking at you. I'm looking at you literally like this. My dog. Look at Debo. We're right here. We see it right here. Bro, stop playing. Look. We are- I'm looking down at you like this. You looking at me like, what's up? I'm like, what's up, bro?

I'm down here. Like, what's up, bro? We got matching Brent. We literally looking directly in each of his eyes. It's all good. We're gonna, we, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll see you soon. I'm gonna see you soon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You are out of control. I do. You're talking about you actually. Anyway, what we got, what we got? Not going to come back from that, dude. That's what Brown's reporter sounds the alarm with Desan Watson's catastrophic injury history. Brown's reporter Nick Pete Padone remains unconvinced that Deshaun can return to his original form.

He said, I hate to put it that way. I hate to put it that blunt, clear cut, dry, because it makes it really hard on us to sell fans on hope for the next six to eight months that the Brown's season can be anything, Joe. He said, I just don't believe that Deshaun Watson has anything there. And I really think that talking about all these videos and all this stuff is much ado about nothing because the guy has completely lost it. he's never going to find it again, Joe.

Joe, he said he's never going to find it again. Listen, I ain't going to lie to you, but what I didn't realize, well, I ain't going to say realize. I didn't remember. What I didn't remember is actually how good Deshaun Watson was in Houston. That boy had like 4,800 yards. He was leading the league and passing 33 touchdowns, seven in the, only seven in the sessions.

Like, that's crazy. But I also. didn't realize since he got to the Browns, like how bad he has been. Since he was traded to the Browns from Houston and Cleveland, Watson has completed 61% of his passes, 3,365 yards. That's it, Drew, that's it, with 19 touchdowns

and 12 interceptions, Joe. That's out of control. So with that being said, Joe, you think uh I ain't even saying he could get hit yeah ain't no way in hell

he's getting back to what he was that ain't happening it's been 20 that was 20 when he was from Houston six years ago he ain't getting there even if he was healthy dude that's six years ago

he done got six years older and those ain't small numbers that's almost 5K Joe he ain't getting there especially not with y'all you know what I'm saying But what do you, what do you think, Joe? You think, you think it's like, he's saying it's over.

It's done. No, no. With Deshawn Watson, Debo, I hear what he's saying, because watching the tape and knowing what Deshaun had back in 2020 was he can run and he can throw. And the one thing was, is his athletic ability being able to scramble, and he could do both. That's why when you talk about these numbers,

4500 yards in 20, 6,000. all those stats when he was doing that, 48-100. Yeah, 48-100. He was almost 5-K. His stats were, he was up there. So when I'm saying now, when you start losing your athletic ability, and it's not that like with quarterbacks,

we're scrambling, when we're looking at now, when I'm looking at Lamar Jackson, when I was looking at Michael Vick, the guys that that is their extra superpower. It's not that they cannot throw the ball. Great at throwing the ball still. But being able to do both, is what makes their game completely different.

With patching my homes, with Tom Brady, with Aaron Rogers, it's never really their athletic ability. It's going to be able to get the ball out. It's above the neck. It's a lot of that. So with Deshawn Watson, I'm saying with just above the neck, if it's going to be, I'm looking at it's not going to be what it was. Because his athletic ability, his escape ability,

him being able to move and run, it's not going to be that after two ACLs after these surgeries and then just coming back. So I'm more of the fact that what he's saying is if it was like that Scott, when he hurt his ankle, Dak Prescott never was a real scrambler. He can listen and you're there for heart-wrenching knockouts. Breath-taking triumph. In 2026 FIFA World Cup, the knockout stage.

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Be able to run a little bit, but it's more just if I need to. He's able to get the ball out. He's able to throw the ball, and this is his arm, I think that gets Dak Prescott to what he is. So when they're saying about Deshaun, I'm in the same kind of boat. I want him to succeed this year. going to be a make or break for him because if he gets the opportunity to play for the Browns, you're putting, like they always say, you're putting a resume out for the other 30, for the other teams.

So no matter what he does, if he gets to start for the Browns, he's doing, it's going to be either, are you going to be Tuatung Vailua, or you're going to be Kyle and Murray, where now everybody knows, if you're coming to our team, you're going a vet minimum. You know what I'm saying? We're not signing you for nothing. Basically, you're going to have to come prove it because you've already made this money. nobody else is going to take that chance, the injury, history. So with him, he's got to put his best foot forward, and that's what it's going to be.

For me, I'm with the guy like, we need to go with Shador. He's not, Deshawn, he's not going to be the future for the Browns. We have him as a rookie contract, as under a rookie contract, young quarterback with these new parts. Let's see what we can do. So I don't think Deshaun, even if he goes out there, and since we've had him, he hasn't looked that good. So I'm thinking that with the injuries and coming back, I'm, right. He said completely lost it. Completely lost it is an overstatement, I say.

I think that he's reaching, but I'm saying as far as looking like he did before when he was in Houston, we're not going to get that. Like, because that was prime. That was when he was young, ready to go, like, can move. He was getting out of bed. That's why that whole contract was genuine to you, right? Because they were expecting to get that 45, the 4800 yards and the touchdowns and just the athletes. athletic ability. We started getting the shoulder, the off the field stuff so he got suspended. Then when he came out, started getting hurt. And you can't help that. That things are going to happen.

But you can only, what have you done for me lately? And what he's done for us lately is not really show that good of a quarterback. So I'm saying just when I see him now, you're not going to get healthier. Then, you know what I'm saying? Like you, I need you. You're not going to be running like you were in 2020. That's just, just, just if math doesn't matter, your knee isn't going to get, it's going to be healthy, but I know you can throw, but I need, I'm not going to be able to see that Deshaun, I know from 2020. Well, you know, he said he in a better place mentally too, though. You got to realize that, you know, maybe he can't, maybe he can't recapture a little bit of

that, um, of that glory. But Joe, I ain't going to lie. I'm with you. I don't see him, like I said, I don't see him getting back to the form that he was. I didn't. I totally forgot he was actually. He was that. But that's why you get, that's why you get two 35.

That's what you got the 230 guarantee. Yeah, you know, because I hadn't really seen him do anything. And then I, you know, looking at what his whole numbers were since he got to Cleveland, I didn't, I didn't, you know, know, know, know that they were that low either. 19 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, like, you damn, they're going one for one. That ain't, that ain't conducive to winning, Joe. I mean, the touchdown and theceptions isn't really the bad. I was literally watching it.

It's not, it doesn't, it just doesn't look like he was moving the same way. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I'm not mad at 19 and 12. So you, you believe a lot of his, a lot of his success was predicated on his movement. Dude, he got 4,800. He wasn't trying to do too much of running anything. He was slanging the piss out that ball. I hate, 48, honey.

We ain't doing too much running on that, man. Like, Lamar, you know, Lamar Jackson go give you, you know, three something. and another thousand rushing or something if you let him do it to you. You know what I'm saying? That's going to be his 45, 4,800 or something like that, you know what I'm saying? Like, but, dude,

he was doing, yes, he was definitely throwing the bar. He was slinging the pill. He was doing a little bit of everything. Two back-to-back, Achilles, and then, you know, the issue with the lawsuit that went on and then the shoulder. He played through, he played through some of that.

Yeah, for sure. He goes, it's not that he wasn't for a lack of trying. You know what I'm saying? His effort was out there. He was trying to get it done. But what have you is just dying the sky, the tape. What I've seen from him being able to be back there under center just doesn't look the same. And after injuries, I'm not, you know how you, Conner McGregor, people, when they start getting hurt and things start happening.

Like, you're just not going to come back and all of a sudden you expect them to be the same as they were. I'm like, you hope for the best. You want them to succeed. But it's like, if they don't and you start seeing. I'm like, it was kind of a little bit of the right and was on the wall that they could still be a maybe of a backup quarterback or just to let's just show them what what can you do. But knowing that that Deshaun Watson in 2020, we don't know if we're going to see that same player because that dude was a lead. He was one of the best players in the entire football league. Yeah, for me, I hate to say it, but I think it's like, I think it's just lip service.

if, in my opinion, I think it may be lip-surface because if I'm the head coach or the gym, you ain't really got a chance to start for me unless Sador goes in here and crashes out and don't get it done because I'm not going to play you and then be stuck having to pay you something next year

because I didn't give myself an opportunity to see at least Sador and I'm going to get myself if they keep out of the Green, yes. They drafted two. You got, you have quarterbacks on your roster that you drafted for a reason. So when we're saying like, oh, no, we can get next year's draft.

We got dudes on the team right now. We have Shador Sanders. We have Jalen Green. Dylan Gabriel got his opportunity. So like we, if you don't think Dylan's got, now we have two dudes. I think Shador still needs his rest of his chance. Jalen Green to the draft. Like, quarterback is what we obviously need.

But let, if you have dudes on your roster, let's see what they can do. Give them a shot. Got to. You got to, especially, like you said, when you're already, you're still under that rookie contract. As a quarterback, and if you could go out there and do something

and show something like that. And you're getting ridden, you're doing it at the same time that you traded Miles to get another good judge, Gervis, and picks. So if your door starts hoping, you could fill up spots to be like, okay, we got a quarterback in a rookie contract.

So now this is where we can, bring in other dudes, like pay them and draft well to add, like, just get depth. Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how y'all camp turned out and who ends up being the starter. I believe it's going to be Shador just for the simple, like, it's nothing, like you said, there's no future with him. And I think it'll be Shador if he can, you know, if he can show, like, he would literally have to do the least to not get the same. starting job if it was me. I'm just saying, like, because I need to see, I got a bill for the future. Am I going to have to draft the guy next year?

Because I know I'm not going to have the sign next year. Is Shador going to be the guy? I need to see if he's going to be the guy. If I go halfway through the season, I realize he's not the guy. Now I got to draft somebody. I don't put all that, I got all that draft capital. Now I got a chance. Plus, you go be trash.

Y'all going to be super trash. If Shador doesn't do well, we're going to be losing games. So then we get a higher job. draft pick a quarterback. So it's going to be what it's going to be. So hopefully let's go out here, see what the hell's going on, get my man a shot. And that's the, Chador once, I don't, I don't, I think that he knows he can do better. Like, I'm not going to show like, oh, my, he's going to be our savior.

I'm willing to see, get a man a shot. If he doesn't do well this year, I'm going to be right here standing like, damn, that was not good. We ought to be out of throwing picks. He didn't, he wasn't growing. Do you know what I'm saying? So, yeah. Get a man opportunity, though. Definitely got to see, I think, a big jump in growth from last year this year.

For sure. If it's going to be Shador and you guys are going to roll with him without getting somebody next year in the draft. So, Lamar Jackson, the top 100, it came out. And I guess Lamar Jackson has been ranked at 69 this year in the 26th top 100 list. He dropped 67 spots from last year's list, Joe. with this, you're against this. What do you think, John? Look, it's, the NFL is a what have you done for me lately. So you can't just say Lamar, obviously, Lamar Jackson, his last year when he was ranked

number two, he threw for 4,100 yards, 41 touchdowns, four picks, ran for damn near a stack, ran the ball 139 times for 915 yards. So obviously, we know Lamar Jackson who he is. he only played 13 games last year and he ran the ball 67 times only ran for 349 yards through for 2,500 yards, 21 picks and 7 interceptions.

So for Lamar's standards, he wasn't as good as he was last year. So obviously, so what have you done for me lately? We're not saying Lamar Jackson isn't who he is, but you got to continue and put it in the bank every single season. So last season, he wasn't the number two player. You can say he's not the,

when we say it sounds crucial, crazy by, no, Lamar Jackson, we know he's not the number 69th best player in the NFL. You think he's, right. Do you think he's 69? But last season, I think last season, that would be okay to put him there, a thousand percent. Like, just from his statistical standing and how he was injured, his hamstring, he wasn't running like the way. We was watching him sometimes, like, Debo, like, oh, he's not hitting the corner like he used

to because it's just, he was dealing with a hammie. So, Lamar Jackson, at 75 percent, it could be the 69th best player in the league. league for sure. Lamar Jackson at 100% is the second first best player in the league. He showed that. So I don't think it's bad like nobody's knocking them. It's just you've seen what he's able, what he's capable of. So when you set your standard to what it is and other people are playing, other people are playing well too. They're putting up better numbers. It's each season. So it's seasonal. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I'm just walking with it is seasonal.

We're not saying like last year. Okay. So you think, what do you think he should have been higher? And it's not. I'm agreeing with what they came out with. I'm cool with that. I think he could have been a little higher. But when you take away or, you know, he lost what made him that, you know, elite quarterback, which was being able to use his legs and getting and being a double threat, then, yeah, it's going to drop you. But, dang, 67 spots.

67 spots, but just look at his, just look at comparable to the seasons that he had. Like, the number. I understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying. This right here is the, I mean, it is what it is. Because when it come down to it, here's the big thing. On this, this, this, this, this top 100.

You know, players. The players. Current players. Only active players, okay? It don't matter with the media thing. It don't matter with the coaches thing. It's current active players only. Okay?

So this is how it works, though. When you go and you do the ranking, you do the top, I think it's 20. It's top 20, yeah. So you do the, you vote for the, you rank the top 20 players in the league and you put them at, you know, one through 20. Okay. So each player gets a vote. And based on where that vote is, it's. a number attached to it.

So a first place vote gets you 20 points. A second place vote gets you 19 points. And then a 20th vote gets you one point. And then that goes from first all the way to 20 with the points going from 20 all way down to one. Okay. Now, and then NFL films, they total up the points from the ballots. And the highest guy is number one all the way down to whoever is the hundred highest.

that's how you get your 100 current players. Okay. Now, it's one or two things that's happening here. All right. So. What you think, Debo? What's going on? Listen.

Listen, I hate to say this, Joe. Okay. But it's probably a little bit of maybe self-sabotage, I like to say. So you think they're hate to say. You think they're hanging. As far as, so here. So you know how you do the voting, right? Here's something else, too.

When we do the voting, you remember we did the voting, right? We did it in season. After practice, how many guys actually went in there and really sat down and did the whole thing? And how many guys didn't do nothing was like, yo, I'm getting out of here. I got to get a lot of here. So it might not be the whole thing. And then again, like I say, it's self-sabotized as far as like you're trying to, I'm trying to get my quarterback. a higher position.

All right. So since we're talking about quarterback, let's talk about quarterback, okay? I go and I know Matthew Stafford is going to get votes.

I know he might get the number one. Say he's the best player in the league this year. He's got a quarterback. I know he's going to get the number one. Okay, he's going to get that put at number one.

But I want my quarterback. I feel like my quarterback's to be up there too. So instead of me, voting him, one, I might put him at 20, put my quarterback at one. And here's something else. That's that.

As in the Pro Bowl, with the Pro Bowl, you can't vote for your players. That's the pro bowl. We took the Pro Bowl seriously. And I was making sure we made sure because we had an OG and you can only, you had to vote for the corners. We only vote for the receivers. And who did the linebackers vote for? When I first came in and started doing it,

I ain't even lied to you, bro. We voted for everybody. Man, and it was you come in, it's up on the board. Hey, this is who we're voting for. It's these three. Boom, boom, boom, I'm like, who is that? Why are we voting him?

Oh, well, we got to make sure that our guy get in. We ain't go vote for subs. We know people go vote for subs. We got to make sure our guy again. So we go vote for nobody. We go vote for somebody that we know I ain't going to make it. So you're eliminating the vote. I know.

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The lows that carried them to their highs. Listen to Unshaken with Gary V on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, Or wherever you get your podcasts. Because the players now, they know This is, hey, Marjaxon, like you said, he ain't the dude that he was last year.

So coming to 2026, his rank can go be lower. You know, and he's not going to get a meeting vote. I think that's the one reason, too, when if younger dudes or people that weren't on the list before, it's hard for you to crack in because there's so many people that's just like, no, he's in because of who he is. He's in because of who he is. It's like, you can't do that because that's when you start pulling away from other dudes that had great seasons. And just because, like, we're not saying he's better than him.

We just say he had a better year. So, like, that's the only part why I'm looking at it where it's like, I like the way that the players are sometimes when you're just being honest on it, like, no, this dude right here gave me work. Nobody might not know his name, but he's, that's the only way you can break it in. Because, like, Pro Bowls, if somebody had zero, like, less sacks than the young dude that came in, 15 sacks. But a dude that everybody knows, he had 10, and he's just getting voted in because that's just what he does.

you got to have the players like, no, no, no, this dude gave me work. You know what I'm saying? So just legitimately, that's the only way you can be able to kind of crack the code and get kind of real rank is. It's like, no disrespect, but your name is who you are. We're not, not with you, but your season one isn't as good as Youngba. Youngbar came in here and spas, you know what I'm saying? So it's just like, you're just knowing people and like just doing what they do.

That's good to do. But if you're still putting your name and your numbers, that's why, like, with AB, you're going to be consecutively the number one, just trying to go triple-crime, or leading the league in receptions and in yards. That's why you can be who you are when you do it several years in a row. Because it's not just like somebody going to say, oh, no, like, A.B.'s just the best. Look at his numbers. Look at what he's doing.

Like, all that is why we're saying it. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. You got Michael Parsons. He wasn't happy with Jordan Love's ranking at a 72, at the 72 player in the NFL. I guess Michael Parsons took issue with his quarterback Jordan Love's NFL 100 ranking, saying 71 players in the NFL aren't better than Jordan Love. Man, Love has been ranked in the top 100 after each of his three seasons as the Packers'

Jordan quarterback. But his ranking has steadily declined in 24. He was 34, 25, 68. And this year, he is. sorry, 72. Joe. Is he falling off or is it just the years he's having

isn't as effective as the year before? It's probably just not as effective as the year before. And I think that with Jordan Love, he doesn't have the weapons. I think he's going to just get better and better because he's, when I see like Dak putting up the numbers and I see just Joe Burrow, Jordan Love doesn't have, I say his receiving core.

It's not like when you name one of them, they're just, they're good receivers. Don't get me wrong, but there's not one that you say is a top 10 receiver in the league. So he has more guys that are just kind of scheme guys. I think if he had a number one receiver out there, I think he'd be able to even do more work. So I think there's no knock on Jordan. I just think that I think he's good. I think they kind of just with the team success, I think they want to probably have more with the team success, but I think that he's doing a really good job with what he has.

I think if he is more weapons, I think that he would be even higher on the list and have better numbers. Yeah, I would agree with you. I think, like you were saying, what a lot of people don't realize is that that 20, what is that 24 ranking? That 24 ranking is from his, what, 23 numbers, dude. his 23 numbers, the man had 4,100 yards, 32 touchdowns, 11 interceptions. And then come 25, where they dropped him to a 68, that's his 24 numbers.

And his 24 numbers, he was only ranked 34, but that's because he only had 3,300 yards, 25 touchdowns, 11 interceptions. So when he went from that to backing it up to actually almost, what is it, 800 yards less, another seven, eight less touchdowns and still the same number of interceptions. Of course you're going to drop. And then I may have a little bit of leniency in like, okay, like he went into 72. Like, dude, I ain't got none. Man, his numbers dropped again. He got better and he ain't throw as many intercept.

you know, you know, this year in 25 or this past year in 25, like, you should drop. And your numbers are continually dropping. Like, they're expecting you to actually go. They're thinking, okay, we'll put him out at 34 and, you know, 24 because he's going to, he's going to increase in, sorry, we put him at 24 and 24 from his 23 numbers because he's going to increase in 24 for his 25 ranking and he didn't. So he got dropped And then he got dropped again

Like, I think He might be out of, dude You got Mara Jackson I don't know, right At a 69, him at a 70th Well, again, he wasn't healthy. We got to go off. That's what I'm saying, Depot.

I'm cool. This list is fluent. See, I'm thinking of Lamar Jackson. You think of Lamar Jackson, Lamar Jackson. When Lamar, that's when he was, you saw he was number two because that's like, you're going to see you,

when you see it on the field, that season, we're going to say, that's why one thing I do like about it, because it moves because it ranks you how you're doing this season. So it could be a rookie that just came in. You bawled out. That doesn't mean you're better quarterback than a guy or better receiver fully, but you had a better year this year. You came in there in numbers, like you went crazy.

Your last year, you know what I'm saying? Your previous year was better. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I do like about the NFL type 100 list, because if you ball out, it gives you notice. like so people could start seeing what's going on because the people that the players, they know the most.

You know when you really want to see, like, who was dogging me that, like, nobody would know about the dude, like, timing. Man, this dude right, he was routing me up. He might not get the recognition. He didn't even get the ball thrown to him on here, but, like, he's nice with it. If he had that movement again, I was bombed.

I was bombed. I was bombed. Thank the Lord. Like, it's been a couple, like, thank you. You see somebody get a sack? I'm going running to my boys. yo, thank you. I was bombed up. I was beat like a dog.

Hey, listen, listen. I'll tell you, so the Super Bowl, right, where I ran the ball back. So the person that was supposed to be on that receiver, it was the Shay Thompson, right? So he beat the Shea on the slant inside, right? And, you know, afterwards, you know, we're sitting there and we're chilling, we're talking whatever, they or that. She said, hey, thank God,

thank God you dropped the coverage, man. He said, because he said, I was beating like a bone. Come on, man. That boy, that was your,

he said, I guessed on the wrong round. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Yeah. Dudes, no. Listen, you're out there exposed.

Somebody fall into your coverage, helping you out. Oh, my God. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, so what ended up happening is I ended up talking, who was the OC at the time?

I forgot who the OC was. But anyway, I ended up talking. somebody and they were like um i think it was the head coach was uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh he's the he's the o c i don't remember anyway i ended up talking to him and it was uh ken wins the hunt and he was like he was supposed to be uh wider i guess find up and not in that type so the fact that he was in tight i think is why get say guessed that he was going to cut out but he actually cut in and him being that type put me right in the window

where the ball was going. I guess if he was a little wider, he had to reach out, you could maybe got it, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so, yeah, that was, but yeah, that's why, that's, again,

his rankings is what it is from this year. Yes, it should drop. It's a little less. It's actually a little less, it's better in one area, a little less, a couple hundred yards. What is it? It's not even a couple hundred yards.

It's like seven yards. Less interceptions, though. But still, it's not what they were, or what it should be as far as what your previous ranking was from that 23 season to the 24, the 25. And, yeah, I ain't tripping on it. But, you know, a lot of these players, you want to see, you want to see your, your players be ranked higher. You want to see. Yeah, that's a good, man.

Ain't nothing wrong with it. I believe in his quarterback. That's my quarterback. That's what you need. That's my quarterback. That's my quarterback. That's my quarterback. Yep.

61 through 100 is all that's released right now. I guess we go see what happens where the less, where the other ones are. You get all that damn. Who do you think we're going to have it? We're going to have TJ on there. We're going to have a little Peasy on there. We're going to have Jaylen. If Jaylon already on there, we're going to have a cam on there.

And we're going to have, what's my, we're going to have our, what's our O lineman? The center, oh my goodness, I can't come over his name right now. But yes. Okay. Okay. I don't know. That's going to be for sure. That's, that's, and I think it's going to be Joey Porter Jr.

He might be the highest rank. I mean, her. Now, Herbert, Herbert, hurry, he ain't going to slide on there yet. He ain't going to get on there. Cam, can't get on there. I think. I don't think he's going to make it because it's what have you done for me lately. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, it's about last year. It's Peezy. You know, he had injury and all that. In Jalen. Yeah, I get Cam, Jalen. Mm-hmm. Zat.

I cannot come up with his name right now. Okay, that's it. You already say, Joey's 32? Young Piz, you already got ranked? No, I don't think so. I think of it. They only reached up to 67 right now,

so we don't know. Oh, they might be, it might be projections out for maybe next season. But the own thing on the top 100, we only out to 67 right now? The NFL list is 61 through 100. That's what we're least. Okay. And then I guess the rest, it comes out for the rest of the leading up through the

off season. Okay. So we got Kelsey 79, Baker 77. That or da, da, eh. Yep. Baker 70. Okay, it's last year. I can't, Devo, you got to get, you got to get singularly focused on the 2025 season.

Yeah, I got to look at last, yeah, I'm tripping, I'm tripping. Because I'm telling you, the list of though you sometimes, you're like, you're like, no, but I'm like, listen, it's just last year. You know what I'm saying? Just last season. Look at how that man played. Just last year. That's it.

No more, no less. One year. Yeah, because when they, yeah, when they first started, I think it was like 2010. 11, 12, something like that? It might have been. Where did they start that? 10, 11. I ain't tripping, Joe.

I got as high as a 21. Yeah, you got me by two. I ain't tripping, Joe. I ain't tripping, Joe. I got you by two and two inches. No, Debo. You got me by seven eighth inches and height.

Stop. Stop. You're not even a full. I'm full. I'm a full. I'm a full of two inches. taller than you. You just

five, you just said 510 and 7th, when you was 19 years old. You are almost 40. You don't shrunk 2 inches. I ain't going to say 2 inches, but you don't lost

at least a half inch, Joe. All right. Wait to, Debo, I'm literally telling you, I got, I don't know how. Your hair was part of that 7th eighth. So, kill the 7th, a big old 510. Okay.

Now take a half inch off because your ass is old. You was five, nine and a half. You talk about Debo, you're, all right, I'm never going, I'm going to even want to go there. You are 511 and you know this. I'm 5'10.

And the 7.8s. Stop. Stop. I shrunk, but you didn't. I didn't even have braids. You did. I had no hair. That doesn't matter.

They didn't, they didn't get my hair. I didn't have... I didn't have hair when I was coming out of college. I had to fade. I don't want to hear about it, Joe. I had to faith. I don't want to hear about it, Joe. Joe, I don't want to hear about it.

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