Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Falcons name Tua starter vs. Steelers + Patriots-Christian Gonzalez drama heats up!

Episode Date: September 7, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden react to the Atlanta Falcons naming Tua Tagovailoa the starting QB vs. the Pittsburgh Steelers, the ongoing contract disputes for star DBs Christian Gonzalez and Joey Porter Jr., and much more! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE and use code DEEBOJOE and get $150 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Timeline:00:00 - Intro12:33 - Tua starting for Falcons27:47 - Christian Gonzalez contract dispute with Patriots38:46 - Roger Goddell signs extension (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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How you doing the damn? I'm doing great, brother, Dibo. I'm doing great. You see, I see you with the good Kent State. You know I'm rocking my gators. You know I'm rocking the gators. Out there, college football. I'm only rocking because I'm rocking it.

Yeah. How did y'all do? How did y'all do? You got life. You all got your age. Did you all get paid to do it? Hey, we, hey, we accomplished the mission. Okay, you went there and got that bag, though.

Joe, Joe, we accomplished the mission, baby. We got that money right for him, baby. We got that money right for him. I don't care what nobody say. They can say whatever they want to. We got that money right for him. Y'all got that check. And that's what y'all needed to do.

The Gators, the same thing. We went and put the Florida Atlantic. You know what I'm saying? They came and got that bag. What was the scot on? What was the scot on? What was the school? I had like 50-some, you know, we beat him by 40-something.

You know, it just was what it was. Out there, you know, it's just, that's what we needed to do. The Florida Gators, we back. We back, baby. Y'all back. Look, who you all meet? Not yet, not yet, not yet. The children of the court?

Week one, you know what I'm saying? I'm going to let you know when we get to some SEC competition. My offense, my quarterback, Debo, was looking great because he's throwing the ball down the field. And we got to. Anybody could. I could throw the ball down the field against who y'all said, Florida, Atlantic? All right, Debo, there you go. I don't care what you.

But look, look, say that now. But how about Michigan? Michigan wasn't passing against Eastern or Western Michigan. They couldn't put up no point. So it was Western Michigan. Yeah, all that. So Michigan out there, all that money,

they're paying them players. They shouldn't get Western Michigan out of the way. So Florida, we went to go ahead, what we had to do against Florida Atlantic. Smack them out of the way. That's exactly what Michigan was supposed to do. And looking silly. Go blue.

You didn't even. Rudy poo. Brut. You didn't even watch the game. Joe. I didn't. I watched the, I watched the final. They should have lost. If you're, Michigan should have lost, Michigan definitely should have lost. That's what we're saying the same thing. Like, what are we talking? That's what we're saying. That's what I'm saying.

Florida, we did what we had to do. You're saying you have because y'all stump somebody lights out that y'all should have. Michigan should have stumped the lights out of what Eastern Michigan or what, what, which Michigan was it, that they played? Western Michigan should have got stunked by Michigan because they came in, got paid $1.5 million, and they should have won. So I'm saying, the school that's paying you

to come in, you post a dog, you post something, get your check, take your little stumps, take your little belt whooping, and go on your business. When you come in there and make it look crazy, like, oh, we paid y'all and y'all came in here and tried to whip us in our crib? That's crazy. What they're supposed

to do, Joe? That's what they're supposed to. Look, Debo, you're talking about both sides of your neck. Because when I'm telling you, Florida did what we were supposed to do, you like this, what were they supposed to do? And then when we're talking about Western Michigan, they're coming in the area. You said they wasn't even supposed to try and y'all come in here and y'all try and beat us. They should.

That's what they should do. That's what they should do. That's what Florida Atlantic tried to do. And they couldn't. Yeah. Man, what else you do this weekend? What else I do this weekend? It's us.

Hey, happy Labor Day. Happy Labor Day, my brother. Happy Labor Day, my brother. My son's birthday is on Wednesday. Joey, turning double digits, turning 10 years old. Yes, sir. Super excited about it. We having a birthday party for him.

That boy, a boy, super old. Man, he's getting up there, man. He getting up there. The boy, the boy, the boy. You've seen your boys up there. How was the game? You sent me a violent video. Joe.

Like father like son. Listen, you got to listen. I don't even know how to text deja vu. It looked like deja vu. Joe, you got to stop. Now, this is what happened. Let me let me tell you what happened, man. So this is what happened, Joe.

You seen the play, right? Yes, I've seen the play. Yes. He was running. He was running. He was running. He was running the rock. He was running a rock.

But then he threw it at the last second. Now, the problem was he hit him good. Shoulder off to the side, head off to the side. I slow motioned it. I slow motioned it. When the head went down, it hit his shoulder pad and his helmet popped off. It was the whip. It was a whiplash effect that made it look way more violent.

But it was violent because it was shoulder. I slowed it down because when I first looked it in real speed, Debo, it looked like he almost took his head off with his head. So I was like, oh, my God. The helmet flew off. I was like, is his head inside of that helmet? I was like, oh, goodness, this looks crazy. So then I slowed it down because I looked at my brother. I was like, oh, I slowed it down and said, oh, he moved his head to the side, went right into him.

And his head came down, hit him in the shoulder. and slam back. I was like this. Whoa, perfect. That's not his fault. I said, dang, that's a great looking hit. But he hit him very hard. And that's what made it look like you crazy.

It made it look like it hit him in the head. But when you hit somebody and it starts snapping, you didn't get hit directly. If you slow it down, it was like this, man, you got whiplash. If you get hit in the chest, your head's coming forward so fast and you whip. Thank you. So I seen it. I slowed down, Debo.

I wanted to say, for show, because when I first looked at the video, you said, my son almost got kicked out. I was like, oh, man, let me look. Wham! I was, oh, yeah, he hit him right with his helmet. I slowed it down. Right. And I said, okay.

I'm looking at it. I'm like, dude, like, the quarterback was way taller to him. I'm like, there's no way he hit him in his head. He would have had to jump up to do it. I've seen him, you know, bend down to make the tackle to form it up. And, you know, once he realized he hit through the ball. Because, you know, it was simultaneous, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. It was same foot, same shoulder.

With the helmet, when that went through. When the helmet popped off. Same shoulder. I said, Joe, I said, oh, I said, I know, I said, I know, I say I know what's coming next. They're about to, they're about to say who it is. James Harrison and there. Third. I said, they already, they are, he already got a pre-referting.

He ain't even, he ain't even, he ain't even, he ain't even, he ain't even, uh, got no. No, but, but. Man, been playing good, clean football. That was a, man, listen, that was a clean hit. It was just powerful. When you, sometimes, you know how to, you know how to, you know how to hit, you know him hit Sardiba when you get a, you get a flag for getting hit too hard, for hitting somebody too hard.

Yes, that was what it was, Joe. It looks too violent. I said, it looks too violent. Something's wrong. You're not supposed to be able to hit nobody like that. Boop flag. I'm like, no, because every part of the body was where he was supposed to. He didn't, no helmet hit helmet.

His helmet hit his shoulder pads and flew off. I'm like, ah. Right. It was on the, it was on the rebound to this one. Like, he got hit, boom. And the helmet popped off. Dude grabbed the helmet so fast. I thought it was here.

Man, y'all, you cut the video off after he was on the ground for me. So as soon as he hit, y'all, video done. I was like, yep, that's good. Listen, listen. He got up. He got up. He played. He played.

Like, he was just, he was just a little upset. His helmet flew up. Like, you should put your chin strap on. I don't even know what happened right there. But anyway, Joe, the game. This was the longest game that I had ever played or been at. And a high school game, history of my life, Joe. It was, started at seven.

The game didn't end to 9.57, bro. It was a real life three hours like it was televised. It wasn't no TVs nowhere, bro. The first quarter wasn't over until 734. What? Half time, bro. What was they? The refs was trying to keep them in the game.

I ain't going to lie. Was it passing when they weren't in the ball? Man, they was just calling flag. Okay, stopping the clock every day a second. It stopped the clock, man. Ruff is trying to keep them in the game, man. I ain't going to lie to you. By the time halftide got there, it was 846.

Half time, when we got to halftime, it was, yeah. Once the first half-too-long, buddy. 8-46. Brough, all the way in Potstown, PA, bro. All the way, all the way by Philly. Did they get the dad? I'm like, ah. They got the dub.

It was 7 to 44. They got the- 7-44. Yeah, I told you the rest of trying to keep them in the game, bro. It was close. It was close all the way up like that fur had. And then they went on ahead and gone ahead and put it on them. Yeah.

Yeah, they had the running clock and all that. So that made the second half shorter. So, yeah. We got the dub. Glad I seen my boy. Hey, healthy. Got out the game healthy? Got out the game healthy.

Praise the Lord. There we go. That's the main. That's what he, he was like, he was like, dad. Am I playing like shit? I said, yep. Yep. So I do the game, he was like, at least we got out healthy.

I'm like, yes, sir, players, Lord. We can fix what, we can fix what's going on on the field. We can fix the tape. No question. As long as you good to go, my boy. Yeah. He got out there and he was running around. You know, you get that high run, blind dog, your meat factory.

He missed two blatant tackles. I'm like, I'm sitting over. I'm going to get the car webs I'm trying not to look mad though because people looking at me they want to look and see it it. I'm like, nah. He's like, no, that's my son.

I'm here. I'm here as pops first. You know what I'm saying? He's going to get right. Yeah, for sure, for show. Look here, man. We got a little bit of breaking news. It's a good thing for the stillers it looked like.

Hey. Tua, named this. I want that for that. Lina Favis and we want Joseph. What are you thinking about? Listen, listen. It's for Tua. I am excited for him

because you know he's getting another opportunity. You know how that is in the league in the quarterback. Once you got chopped from Miami, you got your contract, this is his final straw to really show if he can still be a quarterback in this league and this is going to be his chance. I'm happy for him. For the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Okay, let's go. It is Tua. Back there is going to be the quarterback. You know what I'm saying? I don't know what to expect for him to be out there. I'm liking us to understand. Listen, we want to want. him to have to beat us throwing the ball because the person they do have in Atlanta,

Bijon Robertson, we got to make sure that he's shut down. We got to make sure that the running team. Yes, sir. All eyes on him. They got Drake London is a nice at receiver. We're going to have Joey Porter Jr. We're going to have Jalen Ramsey, secondary. Y'all keep your eyes on y'all's work.

But everybody needs to keep their eyes on Bejan Robertson's work. Because when we go into now, when we play Atlanta Falcons, like, one-dimensional, he can do, he can catch screens. he can do it all ways. But if he's getting that ball, he's the main thing. If we stop him, we win the game. Maintain Bijan Robinson. And we have to make Tuatunga by Lua beat us with his arm.

And me and you sit here and watch that. And it's not Bejan Robinson. And we lose the tour. Oh, it's going to be hell to pay for Pittsburgh Steelers. Because I'm like, end of the day, we know who we got to go beat. D-Bs, you play in versus Tuotongua linebackers, D-Line, everybody. Bejohn-Robison. problem. He's a man. He's nice in this league. We're not just giving him credit where it's not due.

So what we need to do is hat, pale, McQueen, P. Dub, T.J. Watt, Cam Hayward. Like, this is a game where, you know, we know what it is as a defense. We got to go out there and establish ourselves as we're not going to let, when we know, if they have why, if we play against the Bengals, are, you know, now, secondary, stand up. It's going to be more of a DB game. We can't Can't let the ball go over our heads. Right now, when we're playing against Atlanta, no, Tua, okay? It's Tua Tunga Bailua. No, this respect.

Hey, we got to see. We got to, look, when we talk about this, who would you rather pick your poison? Tua or Bijon Robinson? I'm going to go with Tua Tua Tuna Bailua. So I'm going to our defense stand up front eight. Stand up. We know what we got to do. And then the secondary, if we look anywhere crazy going versus Tua in them out,

then we just going, then, y'all, do you see me stuttering? I don't even know what I'm going to say. They're going to know. We're going to look nuts. Yeah, I'm used to you studying with brown stuff. I ain't going to lie to you about that. You signed a lot of weak stuff too today. So I was trying to, I realized you kept giving me the name so I knew who you was talking about.

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Appreciate you not being a hundred yet. You know, good looking. I hope you get healthy after this. For sure. For sure. But yeah, and it's all signs of Tua. You're going to have to show what you got because, you know, this is his last chance

as a quarterback in the league. And for us, somebody's problem, it's other people's problems. We can't be worried about other people's problems. I'm not, you know what I'm saying? So I'm not going to be here to be proud for Atlanta. What Coach Tee, son? It's their problems and I'm glad they got them.

Because if they were all problems, ain't nobody worried about our problems. No question. Facts. Matter of fact, man, Sports Illustrated, man. They said distillers have the most overlooked running back room in the NFL. Joe, what do you think or what do you think the reason is that they're overlooking this team? Like, what do you think while they're overlooking our running back dual?

I don't know. I don't know. I feel like Jalen Warren never really gets the credit that he deserves. And especially when he's a, he comes in work pale. When we had him and Najee Harris at the same time, and I could just see him hitting the hole, the explosiveness, the way that he just can block, he can run, he can do everything as a running back. But he's just quiet.

He don't say nothing. He stays out the way. He doesn't make any. noise. So it's like he doesn't promote himself, so he's just kind of stand out the way he comes to work and he does his job. And that's mainly, I think, why sometimes he goes under the radar. If you

watch the Steelers, people that watch the Steelers, no, Jaylon Warren's a dog. Like, if you pay attention to our office, you see him when he gets the ball, you see him in passport texting, you see when he catches screens. You're like this. Oh, who is that dude? So if people don't really watch the Steelers, he's not a household name just because he's chill.

He's quiet. He doesn't go out there and you wouldn't know if you didn't know. So, like, that's just, I think, a reason why people don't know him with Rico Dado. I don't know. He's been able to do it in Dallas. Then he went and did it in Carolina. And he's just the same thing. Work pale.

Comes to work, doesn't say much and does his job. So I think sometimes people just, the flashy names, the people that people know, the ones that are, just because he doesn't go to the Pro Bowl doesn't mean they're not dogs. People that study tape and people that watch film and know, this dude right here, he gets after it. He hits the hole. He does everything running back. can do. With them too, last year, if they combined it, they would have had

2,034 year, 2,034 rushing yards combined between the both of them. That's production. That's bawling. That's doing your job. That's, it doesn't matter who you are. Now I think the one thing we would have to go into is our offensive line.

I would think maybe nobody, they're not too sure. Like, it takes two to tango. You can't just hand them the ball and, you know what I'm saying, make something happen. There has to be holes. There has to be, you know what I'm saying, that can happen there. So I will only reason why I would look at our running back duo is just because I'm not too sure of how consistent our offensive line is going to be. If our offensive line works when we get that push and we get them that first three yards, we can always, we're not

starting behind the sticks. They're not getting hit in the backfield when they first get the ball. You know what I'm saying? If it's looking like, okay, boom, we got a scheme, we got holes that we're hitting, look smooth. So I think with them, with our offensive line, if they can look and just develop and start working together, we can get some camaraderie at the line, I think that to help out people to believe in our running backs, but I believe in our backs, for sure, because you don't got to tell me just because they're not a household name,

I know them, I watch their tape, they hit the hole, they do what running backs need to do to be successful. Yeah, I'm not going to lie to you, Joe. I kind of like it this way. Like, this is what is going to help them keep that chip on the shoulder.

We talked to them at camp, and we talked about, you know, what do you do to keep that chip on your shoulder? Hey, this is how. This is it. You know what I understand? Like, you said, they got to combine rushing together if you took their stuff together, 22,000, 34 yards.

Like, that's a dynamic backfield right there. And to be honest with you, I don't know if, like, compared to what it is now, you take the duels in the NFL, I don't know how many guys actually have more than that. Like, Dowell, like you said, back-to-back thousand-yard seasons. Warren, he just had his best year last year. And I think each year before that it was pretty decent. Well, actually, I think each year before that was better, except for 24.

24, he didn't be got. He was also hurt, though. He had injuries. So that's something else that in 24, but from his rookie year all the way to now, he has got better. And I think he's going to be even better this year. So I think another thing that, while a lot of people just really

overlook it is because of like us the still. Like really like what we have been since what 2017 and you know it's it's two different things I'll say. So the first one is I would say we're a team in that I'd say 2017,

2017 to 2020. We were good. That's what I got there. We were good on offense or defense or we was good on both. Matter of fact, if you look back, 2017, we got bounced out in the first round and we had a third rank offense

and a fifth rank defense. 2018, we didn't even make the playoff. Was it 2017 when we got bounced out after we got it by Jacksonville, we had to buy? Jacksonville. That was Jacksonville, 2017. Yep. Had a third ranked defense.

I mean, sorry, I had a third rank offense and a fifth ranked defense. 2018, they didn't even make the playoffs with a fourth offense and a six defense. 19, missed again, had a fifth ranked defense, but the offense was bad then, though. It was like, it was 30th then. Now, you go to 20. knocked out again, fifth place defense. It was 24 place offense. Now, the second thing, well, the number two thing, why I think people are like not giving them credit or our whole team credit is we've been a team that has overachieved too with the talent we had.

So we underachieve when we had that talent and then we overachieve. far as they saw it from those 21 to 25 years where we were bad on both sides and ball. Our offense in that time frame didn't rank any higher than 23 as low as 25 last year. And then the defense hadn't been hired than a 12. And the low was 26 this year. So when you look at that and then you look at the scenarios that happened, we made the playoffs every year except 24 from 21 to 25. So that's the part of the overachieving with less, but then you don't even really get nowhere with it.

You're just going there and you get, you get bounced out. But at the beginning of the year, they got you not even winning. You got you showing the record going to be trash, but then you end up getting it. What is worth, like you're saying, overachieving by just winning just enough games to make it to the playoffs. But if you make it to the playoffs and losing the first round, it's all irrelevant.

There's one goal at the end of every year. and it's to win the Super Bowl. So making it to the playoffs, just limping in there, it's like, it's, okay, team, you did that, that's good, but what is it worth if we're not going to be able, we're not going to be able to get to the dance? I'm saying, but that's what I'm saying. That's why they're so heavy on,

or so overlooked on our running back duel. And as you said, once you combine that with, you know, how bad we were, like just last year as a whole team, like statistically speaking, like the worst, almost the worst Steelers team that they had ever had, the 25 and 25th will be ended up. Okay. You know, and now you add in a new head coach, a whole new staff.

You're talking about new everything. And then you bring them back old man Rogers. So you basically go run the same team back. And you think these media analysts and the reporters are going to mess up their reputation, looking at that and thinking what the history, of how things would go. No, they ain't go putting on that. And for me, the biggest reason

as you were saying, dude, is our offensive line, right. They had not showed any consistency. Like, not, like, I'm not even asking for, like, great, I'm asking for, like,

okay, good consistency, dude. Like, if they had showed something like that during the preseason, then, yeah, I would, I would, I would feel a little better because right now I can't come out here and talk crazy and goofy right now no more as I was talking when it was, you know, draft and and in and, uh, and, uh, in the free A's all that. You know, as much as, yeah, yeah, as much as I would like to like confidently be like, yo, yeah, we go guard. Um, I'm, I'm, I'm a little, I'm a little reserved. I'm hoping we're able to go out there and do it. And when you add on top of that again, we don't, we don't have an offensive line that has a hat.

two games that was the same line that we're playing together. And when you're talking about building camaraderie and being able to have an offensive line that can play together, you've got to have that, and we haven't had that yet. And I, you know, I hope we don't have it, but I think we'll have a little bit of growing pains in that first week. I don't know if that will turn into else or not. I don't think it will, but I think it will turn into some bad plays,

maybe bad quarters, you know, however that may look. And that's the big reason why I feel like, you know, distillers running back room, you know, our duel has been overlooked. Yeah, I think the same thing, we're on the same page, D'Bow. The skill positions, like we said, everything, like we got it in the skill position. It's not the running backs problem. You know what I'm saying? I feel like if we get that consistent line play, then we can be good to go.

Jalen Warren, RICO Doddle, established running backs in this league, but you can't, you can't be one of the best running backs in the league when you're getting hit behind the backfield consistently, where you don't start off, you know what I'm saying, in the second level a couple of times. There's got to be holes. When you see, say, Kuan had these runs, and you see they're running through holes at first, and then they're getting hit to the second level, and then you make somebody miss, make a safety miss you could take it all away. So you're not just getting, you don't, you have to have holes. So your line has to be able to create those.

It always starts up for a row, always. Yeah, always. Everything started from, man. Look here, man. The New England Patriots still have not been able to get a deal done with their star cornerback Christian Gonzalez. So we go listen to what he had to say on the media about a potential trade request. Listen. I mean, I'm here right now. I'm here. Like I said, I'm worried about this practice, focused on this practice. will always be where my feet are and do what I got to do. Joe. What do you say? What do you say?

What do you say? Run that one more time. What do you say? Run that one more time. I mean, I'm here right now. I'm here. Like I said, I'm worried about this practice, focused on this practice. I'll always be where my feet are and do what I got to do.

Yeah. You heard that man, Dibov. What are you saying? What are you saying? What are you saying? What are you saying? I'm just going to what that mean, Joe. Being where my feet are, that's day by day.

I'm where I am right now in this present moment. And yeah, it is what it is. I'll let y'all know what it's going to be tomorrow. Right now, I am standing exactly where my feet are. I'm in this interview right now. Right now, I'm talking to D-Bah. I'm having this conversation. I am where my feet are.

That man said... He just don't want him. He don't want him in one of him, no drama? Listen, the man said a lot. He said, I'm here. Right now. Hey, so I'm a B where or wherever I'm at. And right now, that's here.

That's it. But New England Patriot. That's right. Right now that's here. But I'll always be where my feet are. That's facts, Joe. That's fact. Because if your feet ain't there,

and you, somebody to cut your mother's up, feet off. Okay. Hey, listen, Joe, you don't want nobody, you don't want anybody taking your feet. You got to be where your feet are. You have to. Or your legs.

You're footless. If you're not where they are. Hey, he also said, he also said he was going to do what he got to do. Yes. Okay. Now, Joe, here's the thing. What's up?

He didn't case, you got what I got to. to do, it's tricky. It's a tricky situation when you start listening to it, Joe. So, Joe, I, all right, hey, I don't care. Go ahead. Say it. Okay. So, I was always told by my mama that it's only one thing I got to do in life.

Sorry, it was two things I had to do in life. She said, stay black and die. That's it. That's it. Joe, I'm serious. I'm serious. So, you can do

whatever you want to do in this world. Uh-huh. Okay. All right. But you can't change your DNA and you can't live for everything.

Right. Yep. Uh-huh. Now, you can do something illegal and you can pay the consequences for it. But that's still, you know,

whatever that may be. But you still go end up staying black and not. Anyway, my point. was this. Be where you want to be and do what you got to do. Now, is that a do what I got to do? Like, um, Marshawn Lynch, uh, like I'm just here so I don't get fine. You know what I'm saying? Or is that I'm just going to play a season out and, and keep it going. This is what I'm trying to figure out right now. It's how he's not, he's a first round pet. So he's a, he's a first round pet. So he's,

He signed a five-year contract. Correct. That was my next question. So where I'm looking at it where it's like, okay, Christian Gazzar, I respect it, everything about wanting to get paid early, but this is two years early. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, once you're a first round pick, you normally, you don't want to go into your last year of your contract with just one year left. Hey, hold up. Hold on.

Hold on, hold on. Who do you think go get paid first? See? Him? This is what I'm telling you. Peezy, Little Peezy is in a situation where this is his contract year. Your contract year when you're in the NFL is right before you have one year left on your contract. So if you go in, always, we know if you go in on playing the last year of your deal,

that's basically like they weren't trying to rock with me. Because if you're rocking with me, when I have one year left on my contract, when I'm still here with you guys, this offseason, we're going to get this extension done because you guys see me in my future. So that's basically, that's NFL known. Right, Debo, would you say? So Joey Porter Jr. right now is in his going into his final year of his contract. My man, Christian Gonzalez, love it to death, but you still have this year at 2.8,

and then you have your next year, fifth year option. They can pick up at $18 million. They already picked it up. So they have you for two more years right now anyway. So basically, if you play right now, it's good for you to be able to get it out the way and it'd be cool. But end of the day, you're going to have to play there because you still have. They still have your rights for two more seasons. Like, that's super early.

Like, it's like, I understand what you're doing, but when you do this with one year left, it's union the team. Like, come on, guys, y'all know, this is me. I'm still here under contract. I'm going to be for the next season. But right after that last game, I'm free, unless y'all going to start tagging and doing all that stuff.

But normally, it's like, after the season, y'all know, I'm free. I can go. And they would think now your rights are off so you can go. So for me and Lil Peasy, I'm looking at like Steelers, it's more, come on, guys, he's on the last year of his contract. You did get him in the second round to where you don't have the fifth year option.

You don't have the chance to pick that up, like with Brojc Jones. You know what I'm saying? If you were to be able to have Joey Porter, if Joey Porter was the first round pick when one year earlier, then he has no more leg to stand on right now. We're still sitting there like Joey. You got to go get it one more time. You know what I'm saying? And then because they can add in with Christian Gonzalez.

After this season, he makes 2.8, but it's guaranteed 18.1. for his fifth year option. So he's like, boom, if they're going to sign my extension there, it's already 18, I'm already playing on a 1 for 18.1. So the new $30 million money that you want per extension is going to be smooth. You add that extension, say, four years, $120 million, plus your one year for 18. That's a five year, you know what I'm saying, $130 some million. Who?

With Joey Porter Jr., he doesn't have no contract, no fifth year option. It's like, guys, we're going to work this thing out right now because I've already done. the three years. I signed a four year. Christian is trying to hit them a little bit earlier. And because in the day, Christian has an all pro and he has a pro bowl. So he got the stuff to go with it and people walk around. And I'm just for eye test. He has ball skills.

He's very fluent. And he looks like an elite corner. So when you talk about getting that money, oh, he got all pro on you. He got a pro bowl. And his first season, his rookie season, he missed 13 games. So when he came back, rookie, like a comeback player of the year, may all pro, that's season and then last season he goes pro-bow. So it's like he's on the way.

So he could be able to get a contract for sure. The Patriots would be right to be like, man, we can lock. I mean, it's possible. But I'm asking you. Joey Porter Jr. is way more probable, I think, to get his deal because he's on the last year of his contract. They have his rights for two more years, ball in, keep doing what you're doing. They're going to extend them.

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Come on. He's been doing this thing. Get him out the way. Yeah, for sure. Sure, for sure. Look, my thing is same as you, as you said, dude, you got two years left on your deal. And when it come down to it, you can, if they choose not to trade you, you can go and say you go sit out or, you know, whatever you need to do that you don't play. But if you sit out, you don't get that credit a year, which means they hold on to you for another year because you didn't get a credit season. So you still got another year on your contract. And if you go and you don't play and, and make like you can't play. Ain't nobody go pick you up if you do that. You got to do that for two years.

Yeah. So he really ain't in a position of power right now when it really comes down to it. But as you said, it could be done because I also know how, you know, Robert Kraft deals with, you know, and how he moves with his players. He's a person that, you know, does a little more for his players than most people that, you know, I've seen in the organization. So it's a possibility. But I don't think by any stretch of imagination will he get paid before Joe

Porter gets paid. Like, we need to pay Pisi. Like, right now, what is we waiting on, bro? Like, what is we waiting on? I have no idea, B'bo. We just don't plan for the final hour. When I was in, when I was C-team. Let's get this.

Let's get this done. You don't know why. I don't know why. I have no clue, man. I'm lost on this. Again, I'm lost on this. I don't, well, maybe it's, like I said, at least they're talking. You know what I'm saying?

It ain't no way he practicing without some type of talking going on. I would have seen that. But it must not be where it needs to be. Who knows? You know what I'm saying? And I know how to stillers work. They go, they go give that first low, low, low. So, but we ain't got that time right now, man.

Y'all, you know, y'all work with me from, you know, about two, three months, whatever was, you know, in that process. but we got like two, three days. We got to move this a little faster, man. Get my man around that right there, that top corner and put some, or right below it and put some accolades and add it to it and make it to where it could be at that,

you know, at that number with those guys that had those accolades, you know. I just, man, listen, I hope we ain't fiddle fattling. You know, over five or six, you know what I'm saying? Like, come on, let's go on here and get it. I believe it's going to get done, Dibo. You're exactly right, though, because it needs to.

He's in this last year of his deal. And like we said, with Christian Gonzalez, he got two more years left. Joey Porter doesn't. He got one year left on this deal. Yeah. Hey, you know who just got a new deal, too? Roger Gisdell has signed a four-year extension with the NSF. At the end of the newest deal that owners were notified about today, Goodell will be nearly 72 years old and will have served as NFL commissioner for 24 years.

Goodell's contract has not been disclosed. However, last contract was reportedly $64 million a year. Mm-hmm. Joe, why they paying Roger like that, Joe? Why they get him that amount of money? Let me tell you why. And let me tell everybody this why, okay? Roger Goodell does not work for the NFL players.

He does not. Roger Goodell works for the NFL owners. There are 32 teams in the NFL. Roger Goodell gets paid by each one of these owners. So just say if we're talking about $64 million, there's 32 teams that's $2 million a team. Okay? $2 million per owner.

That's not it. Now, when you break it down like that, it doesn't sound this crazy. Also, listen to me, Debo, listen to me, Debo. I'm going to tell you why. The owners aren't sad about this because Roger Goodell started in 2006 to be the owner. the commissioner, right?

The teams were valued when Roger Goodell took over at an average of $900 million a team in 2006. Right now, the average is around $7 billion per team. So let me tell you this. 24 years, Joe, that's only supposed

to double twice, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, when you're telling me that when you work for somebody, the owners are making so much more money. Roger Goodell is working for me

and he's changing up my investor changed my $900 million to $7 or $9 billion I would not be mad at all. He's going to get a raise. I would pay that man $2 million a year for my thing. He's doing a great job

as the NFL, as running the NFL as making the owners money. So for them, writing him, his contract, not being upset to cut him his little 2 million per team. Yes, when you're making me hand over foot, money, when you're getting me these endorsement deals, when you're getting me these TV deals that are coming in

where I get a check for $350 million, before I sell a soda, I'm going to give you a raise. You're doing a good job, Mr. Roger Goodell. So if I'm an NFL owner where that's what it is, your NFL owner, he works for them. He's doing a great job. When I hear about NFL, PL? No, no, no.

He works with NFL owners. And numbers say they went from $900 million to around $7 to $9 billion average per team. I'm giving you a pay rate, sir. You're doing nothing but great job for me. You're putting money in my pocket. So sign me up, Mr. Roger. So I think that's when you're looking at it like, dang, I first one, I'm like, Roger get down making what? 60 million?

Then 32 teams. Okay, the teams are making. Okay. Okay. Yes. Okay. That makes sense. I could see how that makes sense.

I can't hear you, Debo. You can't hear you, Debo. I said I never looked at it like this. Come on. That's what I'm trying to tell you. That's cheap, Joe. Debo, break it down like that. Because I know you a smart man.

But listen, I got to give you some information, though. Give me some information. Okay. Now, I was with you on everything you said until you said to $2 million. But that ain't. high word. So he did 64 last year, right?

64 last, or whatever they said. 64. We know at one point he was getting 50 of Jets and all that set. You know what I'm saying? Okay. So here's the crazy thing, Joe. Over 95% of Rogers Gooddell's compensation is performance base.

It's tied to the league's performance. It's tied to them brand. Various metrics. So if he don't perform well, he don't get paid well. Now, this is what he just did. He did it. He just did a four-year deal. And this is what I really want to go into is that before that he did a three-year deal.

Year before that, it was five. And a year before that, it was two, three-year deals, right? Okay? But the NFLPA leadership goes and signs two, ten years. deals. Huh? No. Actually, I'm wrong. They signed a 10-year deal and an 11-year deal because they did it early, okay? The owners are smart enough to know that you don't sign a 10-year deal. And this man is making them that kind of money. His whole contract is performance. 95% of his conversation is performance base. And they still and gave this man no more than a three-year deal, sorry, than a five-year deal, a five-year deal. Okay? and on the deals that he got more than three years, guess what? What was that?

It was a CBA that was about to come in. 2020 was one of the years he got a five-year deal. He negotiated the CBA. Okay. Now, the one before that, it ended up being negotiated because he got the job and what was it, 2009, and he just fell into it in the first three years. So that was just the normal three years.

They're like, we've got to see what you're going to do. Now, let's fast forward. Coming right now, this contract ends in what? 2031. Okay? And it expires, Joe, right at the new current CBA deadline of March of 2013. Listen. I ain't listening to me.

Remember, Roger's contract is 95% performance base, and he's getting the NFLPA or talking to them to try and sign a deal before the lockout. Why would he do that? Performance base. His main focus right now is a massive payoff in that performance.

if he's able to get them to sign an extension before it goes into lockout. So your NFL PA reps should be telling y'all again, save money so you can withstand a good 18 months of being locked out. The NFLPA should never even consider signing a deal before that unless they can get 100, of what it is they want.

Okay. And if I'm an NFL owner, I'm an NFL owner now, Joe. Yes. I'm not signing a deal that doesn't benefit me because I already have you under contract until 31. Oh, yeah.

There's no need for me to sign a deal until I'm losing money. That's the only way they're going to sign a deal. And that's why these guys need to save up for a lockout. But I don't think the lockout would be that long because it looks like the NFL has

media TV stuff until 31, 33, sorry, 33. Yes. So, that means if something ain't done, by time it was supposed to be time to play football games, in that 31 of

March going into that season. So we got five more seasons? They're going to lose. They're going to lose money. So they'll have to sign a deal then. And again, just in case they don't, they want to play hardball, y'all got to save up for 18. NFLPA has to be telling your players to save up. Like, the NFL is ready.

And y'all best get ready. And, dude, I'm, you know me. I like to get high. Okay. Okay. Okay. And if and I was, if and I was Roger Big Dale, and I had a massive bonus. Now, they just gave him, what was that, 64?

Yes, his contract ends right before, right at the same time as the CBA ends. I'm assuming there's some bonus. Wouldn't you assume? Yes, yes. They probably could kick him up to $100 million this year because this might be his last year or it might be $100 million and an extra another contract. extension, if he gets that done, we signed you to another three or four years after this. Maybe.

But I'm just, I'm just spittal. However. I'm giving hypotheticals in my head of how I might, I might move if I was in this position, Joe. That's what I tried to do. Listen, listen, listen. I ain't through yet, Joe. Go ahead. This is where it gets ragged.

It gets reckless, you tell them. Because I got something for you. If it's me, if it's me, Joe, I'm a, I'm, if I'm Roger, I'm a meet with the NFLPA heads. The executive committee. people, whoever those guys are, the 32 guys that are going to throw in that vote, I only got to get 17 of them. All I need is 17 votes to pass and get the new CBA in place because they don't get it from the players anymore.

It's only whoever votes in there, they have no accountability of who you voted for. What goes on in there is just either it passed or it didn't pass. You don't know who voted yes. You don't know who voted no. So if it's me, hey, Joe, I'm A-64. now, if I'm at a hundred, let me get 17 of y'all and just say, hey, man, hypothetically, what if I dropped a million on you to vote yes when you're getting there? Ain't nobody going to know it was you.

And you vote yes, keep it moving, you know, I'll get that meal to you. I'm just saying, Joe, I'm just, you know, I'm thinking a lot. That's what I'm just saying. I'm just being a devil advocate right here. I'm just talking about that. That is possible, Dibo. That is possible. But all I'm here to tell you is.

is Roger Goodell is making the NFL bread. And if you, as a businessman, when we step out and don't be like NFLPA, no, we're not talking about the owners. And we're talking about Roger Goodell getting a new contract. Dallas Cowboys Depot. Jerry Jones, the Dallas Cowboys in 2006 were evaluated at just over $1 billion. Just over $1 billion. Right now in 2026, they're evaluated at $15.5 billion.

So it's like since Roger was the owner, it went from $1 billion to $15. 14.4. 14, 4. 14, 4. It's, well, I, well, you know what? Some say 14. I said 14 fold. 14 fold.

You went up 14 fold. You went up 14 fold. Went up 14 fold. 14. One billion. Just over $1 billion to 15.5. So when you're talking about Jerry Jones, like he's going to make his money off the bag, he's representing the owners.

I'm looking at Roger Goodell as an owner. The $64 million is irrelevant because what you're not understanding is I've made billions. Do you know what I'm saying? Like $14 billion. You know what I'm saying? You want you use of a jet for lifetime? We count his, we count his money. What are you talking about?

You know what I'm saying? Like when we start talking about the NFL and the owners, it's so much money going around that these dudes are able to make. Because when you talk about they're paying Patrick Mahomes $65 million. Yes, because they're obviously, they're paying the whole roster. Like, ownership money is at a different level than the players. Oh, man, he's getting, who you think paying this man? And we're sitting in his stadium. You know what I'm saying?

Like, yo, it's actually an outrageous amount of money that the owners and stuff have. So when you talk about Roger Goodell, 64, like, yes, the Dallas Cowboys were $15 billion. Like, I don't even, one, you know how much $1 billion is? 15 of them. That's just, like, outrageous amounts of money. Oh, 100 million, 200. He's signed for 100. He got 100 guaranteed.

Nothing. Got $15 billion. Bro, you don't have his squad. It's nothing. Forget about it. Get about it. Give Roger Goddala, PJ. Forget about it.

It's nothing. A yacht. Forget about it. It's nothing. Because they don't care. They got so much dough. Oh, my gosh. Their hand up of foot.

I ain't going to say they don't care now. They listen. They care. They care. But if you got somebody making you the money, then I'll keep him around. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's good with me. You know what I'm, you good with me, Roger?

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