Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Giannis Antetokounmpo TRADED to Heat + Did Tom Brady Just Diss Aaron Rodgers?

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden react to the Milwaukee Bucks trading Giannis Antetokounmpo to the Miami Heat, rumors that the Cleveland Browns are open to trading Shedeur Sanders, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Intro04:17 - Giannis traded to Heat13:17 - Tom Brady praises Aaron Rodgers25:34 - Which steelers should make NFL Top 100 (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, please show you guys like, subscribe, and download where you get this show. Where the hell was you at, Joe? Brother Debo, I was fighting for my life. My Wi-Fi was acting crazy. You know what I'm saying? But it really... Technical difficulties. I made it in the nick of time, my brother.

You text me. I'm looking down on my phone 15 seconds. When I come on, the music's going on. I'm like, oh, gee, okay, they didn't wait for me. Dibo was about to go without me. Hey, Joe, you know, hey, listen, Joe. The show must go on. Hey, we can't stop no show.

Listen, man, it's Dibo and Joe. And when Dibo ain't there, go be Joe, when Joe ain't there going to be Dibon. The show got to go on now. Dibbo ain't going to never show, you know. Whoa, man, Libbo, and you know, you know, we just talked before the show. We talked about 10 minutes before we was chopping it up.

I'm like, yeah, I go to my setup, Wi-Fi. I'm like this, oh, no, oh, no, Wi-Fi. Is that reason? Yeah, well, I'm good to go now. I'm good to go now. I'm good to go now, Debo. I'm back, I'm back. Wi-Fi, set up.

I made it. I'm here. For sure. Can I hate, you hear me? I got you. I'm 100. I'm trying to see if we go get some more background chatter. From a peanut gallery or something, you know what I'm saying?

The good homie, Reese was out there. Cool. I was like, oh, yeah, she's in a home. Brother. So I'm here. I'm here. Yes, sir. Look here, man.

Look here. Oh, Yonis. Hey, you say his last name because I don't want to chop up his last name. Anta Ticumpo. Anta Tocompo. It ain't nothing about the braces. I was going to tear that motherfucker up. I was going to be like in the-

and the-mast-that all the way. I was going to tear that apart, baby. They traded my guy over there. They got him up out of Milwaukee. Yes. Well, they ain't giving. They ain't just giving to my-me. They ain't just give him.

Yeah, yeah. Miami went on here and said, we go send you half the squad. And then you go give us Janus. And we go roll on through them. Plus, y'all give us, what is it? Three, three first and a second. And then they got to swap.

of another one, but that really don't matter, Joe. This right here, who you think won? Who do you think one? Who do you think one in the trade? Miami or Milwaukee? Who I think one? I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with Milwaukee. I'm going to go with Milwaukee.

I'm a fan of the honest, but at the end of the day, I have to see what the rest that they're going to do. Right now, they don't have no squad. It's him, is, is, is, it's Bam, You know what I'm saying? And I think that that's about it. That's all they got. So I think that they're going to have to get some more pieces.

They got draft picks. They got a lot of stuff. So, I mean, I don't know what they're going to have to do. Milwaukee for the future. I think they plan way better for being able to get a lot of picks. Tyler Hero, the players that they got, is going to be really good for them. So I think they were going more for the future. And Miami's going for now.

But I think with them, they still need to get like a point guard. They still need to get some more scores. Because Janus and Bam, that's, there's a, those are big bodies, you know what I'm saying, going to take up the paint, but they need more shooters. Yeah, I understand that. But they got, who is that over there? What's dude's name?

What's the other two? Well, it's two, maybe two or, it's two other cats over there. I can't even think of their name right now, to be honest with you, bro. Yeah, yeah. They got Powell or something in Wiggins. Bam out of Bayouye. My man, Bam, they drop 80.

They got Wiggins too, right? Yeah, they got Wiggins too. They got Wiggins too. They got Wiggins. And they got Norman, they got Norman Powell. Right. That's what,

Bro, come on. Come on. I just said, Powell, bro, come on. You over there, make it like, they ain't get nothing.

Bro, like, stop playing. Like, this right here, this move right here, I'm, for me to be able to call a, like, a winner, I got to have an obvious loser. And I,

and I feel like right now it's not an obvious loser. Okay. I think this is going to be something that's going to be told in the future. Now, if they get over there and Janus get over there in Miami and everything that this man had then gave up,

the source, who was this, Kevin O'Connell, sources say, Buck's owner, Jim Hasling. You know Jim Haslin. You know Jimmy Haslam. You know who Jimmy Haslam is, right? Yes, sir. They said he was the driving force and taking the heat deal for Janus over Boston's offer.

I guess they had an offer from Boston for, what's his name? Hasn't want to risk Jalen Brown wanting out of Milwaukee in a year after dealing with Janice and Miles Garrett trade demands. Hasn't won it, hasn't wanted certainty. And the Miami deal proved more of that with more total assets in return to Milwaukee. Bro. If he get over there and Janus get them a trophy, they get them a championship, that was a good trade. that's a good trade.

They won. They won. You were still again, like they said, Milwaukee, they don't say, you know what, we go start over from scratch. We go ahead. But when you're going to start from scratch,

you'll give us a starter package. Oh, for sure. Tyler Hero's with the bowler. Right. You go give us a starter packet. And then on top of that, you'll give us three first. You'll give us one this year in 26,

and then you go give us one in 31 and 33, and then a second in 33. And they got a swap in 30. so that really don't matter. Like, yo, I'm playing for right now to get this going. But if they don't get it going and they don't get that championship, that's a loss. That's when we, that's what I'm saying. If they go and they build that thing up and they go ahead and now they can go in five, four or five years or something,

they back in the fray, five, six years, they get them one. It's a win for them. It could be, hey, it could be two winners in this situation. 1,000% because both teams, Debo are in different situations. Like you said, the Miami Heat right now

when they go get Yonis, they're trying to win this season. They're trying to bring the championship. They're trying to contend. The Milwaukee Bucks is like, look, we had Yonis all these times. We want a ship. That's about as high as it's going to be.

He don't want to be here. He's a little flustered, you know, let's get him up out of there, get him in a different situation. And at the same time, try to still get players back and a haul for the future. So you're right. We'll know how good this trade is off rip. This season. We're going to know for

Miami in the next year. In the next couple years, we're going to know what the bucks looking like from the picks that they started to get and what Tyler Hero and that squad look like. So I feel you, it's not an instant. You can't tell off the rip because we're going to have to play out what what Yonis ends up doing this year. And then with those draft picks and what Tyler Hero turns into, it's going to have to, it's going to take a little more time for us to see what develops with that. So, no, I love it. I get you. We got a, the bets, how it went.

Right now, man, we got a ball out. Let's see what it looks like. Got time for my, for Milwaukee. Yeah, you got time. Well, every player they trade with four, the four players, what was it, 20 to 25? Like, they got, they got. They got picks coming. They got the 13th this year coming.

And they got another two, like I said, in 31, 33. Like, they're building for the future. They're hoping that, and, you know, that four to six time frame, they go grab them one then. You can understand, they don't put all that stuff together. They're able to take the picks that they're acquired and that and get the right people in the position to go out there and do the damn thing, Joe. Yes, sir, yes, sir.

It's going to be good. It finally happened because Janus was about where he had to get up out of it. He had to get up out of there. It was going to be, do you think that this, do you think this one was better than the Boston trade with Jalen Brown? Well, considering what. That you don't know if he was going to resign. Considering what Milwaukee was like, yo, we just go, we go start from scratch.

I don't think that trade of the one for one for that. I don't think that does anything for him. I think they still keep somewhere they at. They were still going to get some picks, though. I think it would have been Jalen and maybe, maybe, I know for sure a first round pick. Yeah, but you ain't got, listen, they got a whole, they got a whole starter pack, bro.

Yeah, come on. I feel you. If you want to start fresh, fresh. You got people that, like you said, you got people that you know can do a little something. And then you got guys that they obviously picked up, they thought would be able to develop, but they ain't even given them the time to develop.

They're like, yo, we want to win right. Right now, we ain't trying to wait. Here, give us Janus. Y'all take all this. We go move, y'all go move. Everybody get what they want. And hopefully, it'll be a deal. It'll be a good deal for both of them.

We're going to see it look like a young. I hate, I hate New York. Yeah. We got to see New York. We got to see New York. That's what we said. They got to see New York. They got to see Boston again.

I don't hate New York. I hate things they have. And hold on, we, my, look, Janus didn't go to my calves. So we didn't feel like we had... Oh, Joe Wi-Fi cutting out. Yeah, the boy got that trash Wi-Fi, man. He wasn't lying to you, man. The boy, listen, he got all that money over there

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But the Wi-Fi ain't working. Look at him. Sitting there froze. It's a shame. It's a shame. Look at him. Fist bawled up. He ain't even doing nothing else.

Joe, if you can hear me, you might as well go on here and just try and jump on your Wi-Fi on your phone, Joe. Listen here, all that money. You can't even get no good service. That's bad, Joe. That's bad. Look here. So I'm going on here to do this right here until Joe come back.

So what I'm going to do is I'm going over here and see what one of these great quarterbacks, one of these great quarterbacks said about a quarterback that happened to be on my team. So, hey, chat, look here now. we got 120 people right now in the chat. Hey, we should have 120 likes on this episode right now, chat. We only got 22. Hit the like button. Look here. When it comes to armed talent, Tom Brady says,

no one has done it like Aaron Rogers. He said, I think there's no greater passer of the football than Aaron Rogers. There are certain people. You see everyone do it. And then you see one person throw the ball that much better. Aaron was incredible. It was incredible. It's hard to put into words how incredible he passes the ball.

The way it comes out of his hand, the way it spins and delivers with pace and the accuracy. There's only probably three people in the history of the NFL that could do it like him. incredible. My man said it's incredible. He did say was, though. I know a lot of, I know a lot of people was trying to press on the was. And it's a very logical reason why he said was. And the reason the reason the man said was is because if you actually go and look at where he said it and don't just take it from this article because what they did in the end of it was they they hit with the um uh then then the article said something like um Brady Brady says it like Aaron Rogers still isn't isn't still playing no Aaron's still playing like you know what I'm saying he's still

plan. He said was because if you go and look at what he actually said instead of just reading the article and letting them bait you into believing some BS, the whole story is he said, Aaron, in his prime to me, in his prime to me, is the greatest passer of the football, the NFL has ever seen, okay? He could get the ball from point A to point B faster and more accurate than any other player I think in the history of the NFL, end quote. That's what he said. That's what he said, okay?

Now, what we go do here is take it for exactly what it is in his prime. Yes, in his prime, he was, okay? Brady is 100% true in his statement because Aaron Rogers in his prime was incredible. He's not saying he's not incredible. He's just saying like in his prime. Like in this prime he could do that. Week in, week in, week out, play in, play out. Hell, I saw it firsthand in the Super Bowl.

That boy was threading balls with laser precision. I mean, just missing the ball by, you know, fingertip. You know, you're talking about an inch or two. You're just missing the ball from getting there. And that's the difference between, you know, a touchdown and a first down or whatever it may be. Like, I seen it firsthand. And right now, he's not in his prime. Like, that's just what it is.

You know, he can still do it, but it's not as consistently. You know what I'm saying? The ball is moving a little slower. It doesn't, it don't have the same pace. You got guys that are able to get to the ball. They're able to touch it now. They're able to get up. a fingertet, you know, on it here and there.

And that's that inch or two where, you know, the pace of the ball isn't exactly what it was. Okay. So, like, stop trying to create a little bit of drama. Like, trying to make it seem like he making like he ain't playing no more. He's still playing? You got the goat of quarterbacks telling you right now, like, this man's arm, listen to what he said. It's man, basically this man arm a gift from heaven.

Joe! This man's arm is a gift from heaven, Joe. Because it is. You understand what I'm saying, Joe. Because it is. No, like I said, they up here trying to add some salt to the game and all that other stuff, man. You can't do that, brother. You can't add no salt to the game.

What you mean? The article that I'm speaking of where John Brady was talking about Aaron Rogers, he said the word was incredible. And the article then proceeded to say. that why did he basically say was, you know, like, like Brady isn't still, you know, playing. I mean, sorry, like, Aaron Rogers is still playing. So he said Brady said it as if Rogers isn't still playing. See, that was just a little, he's trying to cause a little clock, get a little something on there, you know what I'm saying? But if you go and you actually look at what he said, he prefaced this with in his prime.

Yes. You know, his whole quote was, Aaron in his prime, to me, is the greater past. It's the greatest passer of the football the league has ever seen. Yes. He said he could get the ball from point A to point B faster and more accurate than any other player, I think, in NFL history. Inquot. That's what he said. So, yes.

Was. Yeah. Listen, you see this shirt right here? Yes. By the time. Undefeated. Undefeated. He is undefeated.

And that's a bad. By the time, it's going to catch up with all of us. Yes. I don't give a damn who you are. Okay. Yes. He ain't never lost. Never.

Never lost. Now, you could put up a hell of a fight. I gave him a hell of a fight, Joe. You put up a fight. Uncle Tom put up a fight. And LeBron James, LeBron James is putting up a hell of a fight right now. Fighting.

Fighting for your life. Fighting for your life. He's coming. He's coming. Yes. Aaron Rogers was an incredible passenger of the ball. Aaron Rogers still is a incredible passer of the ball at times now. It's just not as consistent.

It's not as fast. You got guys that can get a fingertip on it. where before I was saying you get you you miss on that on touching that ball by an intro too because he got that zip still he got that drive he got that accuracy. It's going to be what it's going to be. This man is the highest he has the highest passion rating in NFL history like point blank. touchdown and touchdown. What? Come on man.

He doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't. Five 27 and 123. Yes. What are we talking about, Joe? What they talking about, Joe? This is what I'm a tell.

you, Tom Brady is a smart man because at the end of the day, Debo, when we first started playing football, when I came into the league, it was Tom Brady, it was, no matter of fact, it wasn't Tom Brady. It was Peyton Manning. Yes. Tom Brady and Aaron, I mean, and Aaron Rogers. These were the three quarterbacks that everybody looked at. Peyton Manning, in my opinion, was the best just because he was, he just couldn't get it done

in the playoffs. Somehow, Tom Brady will always end up beating him in the playoffs. and Peyton Manning couldn't get to the Super Bowl. But from my eye test, I was watching Peyton Manning. I'm like, he is an amazing quarterback with the timing, his footwork, his mechanics. When I just watched Aaron Rogers with my eye test, I thought he was the best thrower of the football that I've ever seen. When I would watch him just the trajectory, he could throw a fade ball and it would be at a level like a dart, back shoulder. He could just put it in places where, like, that's just unbelievable.

arm angles, just putting the ball where you can't make, you can't, like, he's placing it there. I know he just catch that damn ball. I know he didn't catch that ball on me. He missed that. Joe, damn, what you doing? I'm covering, how you didn't miss that ball? I'm telling you, it happened to me. My first game, preseason game, we played the, we played the Packers in Lambeau Field, my first game ever

for the Browns. And he went 12 for 12 on us with Jordy, he had Jordy Nelson. He had all, they were going crazy on this. Donald Driver. all of you just running routes, he was putting the ball on a perfect position. I'm like, good defense. Better throw, better catch.

Okay, line it back up. You know what I'm saying? So for me, when he's saying it, when people get to the championships and you start saying now, all right, Tom Brady, you won more ships. But for my eye test, when you see 500 and some touchdowns

to 100 and some interceptions, it's a team game, but you can't tell me individually when you have Peyton Manning, you have Tom Brady, you have Aaron Rogers. For me and hearing it from Tom Brady, too, I'm watching a game,

you can say Tom Brady won the Super Bowl, one more championships. Peyton Manning, you might have higher passing yards, but if you individually take a player, and I say Aaron Rogers, I like his arm, the way he throws the ball. He can do anything. He can do anything with the ball that Tom Brady,

Peyton Manning can do. Maybe not the same system and team. It all works for one to win championships. It's a whole bigger picture than just one. But if you take an individual player, quarterback, Aaron Rogers, watch him throw the ball, watch him throw every single pass.

Tom Brady, same thing. just the way that they throw the ball, the mechanics, getting the ball there when it spins out of his hand. Tom Brady knows it's just a different way. I played with Chris Lee at Florida in college. He threw one of the prettiest spirals. He might not have been the best quarterback ever, but the release and the way that the quarterback just get the ball there,

it's just a way that you look at it. That's special, you know what I'm saying. So I understand what he's saying. And Aaron Rogers, you're getting a little older, the same way Tom Brady was getting older. He wasn't the same time when he was New England, but he was with Tampa, but you can put that ball there.

He can still spin it. You see, I see Aaron Rogers, when he's throwing that ball with the team doing those drills, you see it's just flinging out of his hand. He's not going to lose that, that pop. You throw that thing almost like me. He's going to be able to lose his speed. He's going to be able to lose that stuff. But that pop, that fling, that being able to get the ball to where he needs to get,

speed for sure. His elusiveness, ah, by the time chasing him. It's 40 slower, for show. But that flick of the wrist, I mean, that thing is. The flick of the wrist ain't, ain't going to way. It ain't flicking, but it ain't flicking as fast. Like I said, you're able to get that, you're able to get a fingertip on it now

to knock it down where before, you know, you didn't, Park talk about it. He was like, yo, I was playing it. You know, he was like, he was playing middle of the field. He was like, oh, I'm looking him off just so I can go back and break it off. Yeah. He said he slung that thing in there.

And he said, Aaron hit him with the, you were just that close. And Ryan was like, yeah, I was just that close. He's like, I couldn't believe you got to. Mm-hmm. Yes. Slanging that thing. The same thing. I'm telling you, Jordy Nelson.

I'm running the fade ball. I'm looking. I'm like, this is a pick. He threw a fade, right? Like a slant trajectory, but it was a, like a fade ball right over my hands, right into his hands. I'm like, how? How did he do that? He just puts the ball where you couldn't touch.

Yes. Yeah. Peyton used to do that with placement, but he would like loft his on you. Mm-hmm. You'd go over to undercut that thing and he had thrown to where he'd lofted over the back shoulder. So dude, to catch it like this instead of right here. I'm telling you, the quarterbacks, they're putting the ball in pen placement spots where it's like there's nothing really you can do.

There's nothing you can do about it. Yeah, yeah, man. Listen, like he said, he said he is, well, he believes him to be the greatest passer of the football, the league has ever seen. Passer of the football, man. He's the greatest quarterback. He's saying the past, like that. Passer to the ball. He's telling you.

And then look, and the guy's arm is goaded. Is God-given and blessed talent? I'm just saying, at least I know when I was seeing this, and I was saying that when Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Aaron Rogers, I'm like, Aaron Rogers throws the ball better than all of them. Like, it just in my opinion, when I'm looking,

I just like the way he throws the ball. And hearing it from Tom Brady is making me feel like I'm not tripping. And Tom could say that too. He's like, the best throw of the football. And Tom Brady is one that everybody's always. always says the greatest and all that. But caring from them, now you go ahead, argue with Tom Brady. I'll go with what Tom Brady saying.

No, you can't argue with a quarterback by quarterback. But stop playing. You can't argue with the goal. You can't argue with the goat. Man, look you know. They got the top 100 coming out right now, you know, top 100 players of 2026. Mm-hmm. And it's three stillers who they, who people believe deserve to make the list.

The list. And right now, we have, I believe one they're saying is, of course, nephew. Yes. Nephew. Nephew. Little big, little, little, little, little, big peasy. Little big peasy.

Joey Porter, Jr. I call him a little big peasy because he's the little one. He's the junior. Yes. He's bigger than his daddy. Now, right. So he's little big peasy. You know what I'm saying?

So when we see him together, you know, he's standing probably a good three, four inches above his daddy now. I think Big Peasy might have started getting a little bit shorter. You know? You know? I'm just saying, you know. You end up howl with weekend gold tickets to Lassau Montreal. Thomas Rhett.

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Anyway, I believe he should be on the list. Listen, man, this man ain't gave up a touchdown. what was it last year he didn't get a touchdown hell the last three years what is it one touchdown since 23 yes 100 and 100 no sorry a thousand 417 consecutive snaps in coverage without a touchdown dude yes sir he's shadowing the best receivers we play exactly hey hating because he got some penalties you know last year but a year before actually yeah what was it five or six something like that that's old that's old news stop playing man he top in completion percentage of loud, dude.

He's one of, not the top, but he's in the top. He's in the top in a passer rating allowed. Yep. Stop playing with you, man. What are we talking about? What do you think, Joe? I think Peezy needs to definitely be in there. He's been doing it.

He's consistent. His levels of consistency. Your job at corner is to not let anybody score touchdowns. He's been doing that at a very high clip. They're not throwing the ball over it. The passer rating is good. He's been keeping his hands to himself. So now they're just eliminating.

that. Now, all I need him to start doing is when that ball comes over there, we're going to start turning some of them past breakups into interceptions. And then we're going to be right the way we need to be. And that's just coming with film study, getting a little bit more comfortable. Like, I've been talking to him because he's been going off natural ability. He's lining up versus these dudes like this. Look, raw, he's going in there wrong. I'm six, three, two, ten. You can't get open on me. I mean, because he, because he can't. And that's when we start throwing it. the game down here. Now I'm talking to him just earlier this year, like, well, at the, at the golf out an event, I'm talking to him about now, how comfortable just being able to,

now you know what you're doing. Now you're starting to look at them, looking at them splits. Yes. You just going out there playing one-on-ones with the dude. It don't matter what he's running, because you could strap him. I say, but how much better would you feel now when you know he's running slant and you just playing with him like you don't know? And now you get into that position and you slants come. And you're bathing. Now you're starting to play the game where like, now you're playing one-on-ones. You're walking out. there, I'm going to guard you no matter what you got. You got a passenger. I'm just, I'm going to get you.

It's me and you. You're not going to catch the ball. That's when real one-on-one corners like, that's when you got you're in your bag. Now getting into your duffer where you already know, he can't get open on you, but you know what he's going to do before he does it. So now you plan the whole game within the game. You got the skills. You got everything you need in your bag, but now when you got over the top to where you don't got to stress as much, no, now we know something's happening so you get to relax and you get to just you know what I'm saying getting into your getting into your duffel for sure for sure so another another player that they believe should make it uh in his first uh it'll be his first time in the in the top 100 of course

all these are players that they think should make it and have never made it before okay this will be their first time so uh Zach um there's a Fraser the center right um I think I think he should make it but I don't think he will make it just of how hard it is for like an offensive lineman to make it like you got to be you know you can't be just top you know five 10 or whatever like you got to be the top dog yes you got to be the one in the league i mean he's close to it i would put him in you know the top three to five or whatever that may be and he's close to it but like you got to be that one especially to top 100 in the NFL with all the other positions that you have that you know actually have more. or they contribute more as far as, you know, stats, highlight, numbers, you know what I'm saying, things that, you know, people are going to recognize and see. When you're that dog, that's that number one dude, you know,

you out there probably panicking people, you stopping the dude that, you know, is number one on the defense's side of the ball. You ain't letting him get no sacks. So you get an opportunity to display your skills in that game against him and show that, yeah, yeah, he the dog, but I ain't let him get nothing. So, you know, I think he should make, but I don't see, I don't see him actually making it until he is that one. What do you think? I think you're saying it's the right theft, Debo.

When you're on the offensive line, you got to be doing it for a consistent amount of time and you need to be really just moving people out the way. There needs to be level of dominance when you're going up against top caliber talent and you start to just expose them. Because when you have centers in the lead that you've been doing it for a long time, when you get like a pouncy, when you have like a nether, you have like a nether. in that guard, these dudes, that's just what they do. So it's hard to take something away from a center that's just been doing it for such a long time.

This is what they do. It's kind of hard to take that. So when you gotta have levels of consistency, of doing it for a while of just panicking people knowing nobody's coming in there, and then when you get that offensive alignment ranking in the 100, then it's kind of like you, it's like a badge of honor. Like they know, you know what you're getting.

So this dude is kind of automatically in there until you get taken out. Yeah, facts, facts. And the last that they had on, list is Jamal Dean newly a corner that we had. Like real talk, yeah. Now we're strapping. Now we're strapping.

Yeah, I think they had him as the best corner coverage last year at Pro Football Focus. Come on. I think he graded third highest in all of all cornerbacks. Passer rating pressure rating allow 47.7.

That was lower than the nephew. His completion. Rate allowed 42.1, our Lord and nephew, like, dude, we're strapping. Brother, we're strapping. We need these dudes, and they tackle. They're not afraid to hit. They're not getting any pass interference. Man, 6-1, 210, 215, 215, the other one about 6'4, 225, 230.

You got, then you got Jalen Ramsey. Come on, bro. Like, then we got the-in-y-all, y'all go on here and you're past that ball and secondary like that. I keep on trying to figure out. Once these dudes line it up and we get the communication going. Once we line it up and we get what we have right now, which is a group of coaches that are going to consistently coach and give you the same thing from A to B to Z all the way down.

Same language. I just want to teach the same thing, speak the same language, be on the same page and have a actual sound defense where you realize it's one weakness in your defense and you don't try and cover that up, you accept it. Yeah. Tackle the catch and keep going on. Can't protect against everything.

Once you try and protect against the one weakness in something, you create three or four more. Yep. Yep. We go get back to where we was, Joe. We got to. Because the thing is, Debo, we got the players. We have the players.

We have them. We have the players. They are there. They are there. So it's not like we're lacking in talent. We've seen them do it. And they've done it before. So we just need our players to go out here and ball.

And when we're saying not to do anything out of your body, we're not asking you to do anything extra. Do your job. Your job is going to be perfectly fine because when we have 11 people doing that and we got some people that do better at their job than others. We got players that are going to make plays at their job. Sometimes it's not coming to you, but it's going to happen. So I think everybody's just doing what they got to do, bro,

it's going to work out perfectly for our defense. Big fast, Joe. Big fast. Joe, what was your highest ranking in the top 100 when you played, though? 23. Oh. Come on, man. Twanky three.

23. Hey, that ain't bad, Ebo. That ain't bad. Hell yeah, that's your number. That's my number. They put for a show, for a show, for a show. Joe, how many times was you in it, though? How many times was you in the top 100?

Go done froze again. But I'm back. But I'm back. Okay. But I'm back. But I'm back. But I'm back. Got to be.

Look, it's a thunderstorm. It was a tornado yesterday. Knocked down. Oh, my God. And now we got a thunderstorm going live. Live thunderstorm. It's literally, Debo. Literally.

My Wi-Fi's going in and out because. Ain't all your stuff underground? No, no. I'm Wi-Fi. I need to get wired. I need to be hardwired. That's what I realized. Don't you got files or video?

What's the other thing called? Thunderstick or something. I don't know. What the hell is that? No, no, no, no. I don't got none of that. I just got strictly Wi-Fi. I just got strictly Wi-Fi.

I don't even, I don't even do that. The TV stuff, I don't have like no Comcast, none of that. I'm straight apps. Straight Wi-Fi. I know, Joseph, but what's the thing where you, it's supposed to be fast and you just, I don't know what it is. We ain't got it here. You're talking about it. something. I think you sound like you're talking about the power, the, the, the fire stick.

You sound like you're trying to get. I don't know a fire stick, man. That's a thing that you plug into your TV, man. Yeah, that's what I thought you were talking about. You trying to get some illegal channels. You try to get legal channels. No, uh-uh. I ain't trying to get no illegal channels. I got, I ain't, anyway, I talked you about that later. Fibroctin. I need fiber optic. Is that what they're fiber octets? That's what it is. I need something. I need something to get my Wi-Fi better. Fibre optics? Joe, Joe.

Yes. Hey, Joe, your Wi-Fi doesn't cut out more than me. Remember when we first started? They were like, oh, Joe, your Wi-Fi is so good. It's so great. And then it was like, James, you need to upgrade. You're just crap.

You was laughing and all that. You need to call them. I ain't did nothing to mine. Boy, I need to. My Wi-Fi, I need to get it better. I need to put on, put a fiber in the ground. Okay, yeah, I need the hardwired. I need the hardwiring or something. Fiber in the ground. What is the fiber or Starlink? Okay.

I think it's, I think. Hell no, don't do Starlink, bro. Don't do Starlink? Starlink, that's the satellite stuff, bro. Brother, I'm going to tell you something. Bro, I'm going to cost you. Oh, you got the money. I'm tripping. I don't know what I'm saying. I'm tripping. I'm tripping. Hey, listen, Joe, if I had the money, I'd be Starlinking. I'll be Starlinking. I'll be Starlinking. You got it. That's the best? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Listen, what's going to get in the way? What? Nothing. Nothing. A plane fly through or whatever. It's supposed to cut through the clouds and all that, right? Yeah. I don't know.

I guess hard wire might be the best, but who knows? A satellite? I can't go wrong. I don't know. I don't know. We're a C. Hard wire satellite. I don't know.

I need something, bro, because this right here is. This right here, it's trash. I've been trying to get the good, I told, I paid for the Wi-Fi. With Wi-Fi, I got the little extra things to post to pick it up when it's... I think they trick me. They said, hey, Joe, they said, hey, that's Joe Hayden. Oh, that's Joe Hayden. Look at him.

He don't care. He don't know. He don't know. He got it. Hey, let's get it. He got it. Joe, Joe, we giving you three gigs of Wi-Fi. That's going to be $569,000.

That's why I look. And I ain't bought that. That's what I'm still, that's why I'm jinky. Look, so look, I'm gonna look up, I gotta look up fiber, starlink, and fios. Look up, look up fiber. Fiber.

Starlink. Fiber optics. Yeah, Starlin. It's another. I don't know. I don't, I ain't go a lot. I don't need to worry about that because, you know, my stuff do with it do, crystal clear.

What is you, what I got? What I got? Who, yeah, what you got? I got, I got, um, I don't know what I got. I know what I got. You chanky. Listen, what is it?

I don't know what it is. It might be, is it, is it, is it, is it, is it, is it, no, I don't think it is. Are you, are you, are you, do you have, do you have cable in your house? Are you hard wired to a cable system or no? No, I'm, I'm like you. I got, I'm apt up. I'm apt up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

Yeah, I'm mapped up. Okay, I'm mapped up. All, all, all that. Yeah, I'm Wi-Fied up. Hulu, Prime, Apple. I'm white-ed-up. I'm Wi-Fi-up. Everything I do, I got a hook to the Wi-Fi.

You know what I'm saying? That's like, I got Wi-Fi. Hey, listen, we need a Wi-Fi sponsor. Now, hey, listen, how that's your boy, Joe, we need a Wi-Fi sponsor because Joe's, it's garbage. Like, chat, tags and Wi-Fi company tell him Joe need help, we need help. We go out. We're down bad in these streets. Well, Joe ain't really down bad.

He's just down bad because he doesn't know what to get. Because it's a thunderstorm or something. It's a thunderstorm. And there was a tornado yesterday. This is Pittsburgh, man. The thunder and storm all day, man. I don't see, I don't see no son for 7, 8, 9 months out of this year. I'm fighting for my life, Joe.

Ah, all right, man. I'm going to get right. I'm going to get right. This is unacceptable behavior. This is unacceptable. This is unacceptable behavior, Joe. This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human.