Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Jarvis Landry on Shedeur Sanders vs. Deshaun Watson, Baker Mayfield & Trade to Browns

Episode Date: April 10, 2026

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden are joined by former NFL Pro Bowler and LSU legend Jarvis Landry to break down the latest NFL news an rumors. Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Jarvis Landry Joins!05:14 - Juice on being traded to Browns from Dolphins14:57 - Browns QB situation36:11 - Why Baker Mayfield didn't pan out in Cleveland (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and download where you get your show. How you doing today, Joe? Debo, I'm doing great today, my brother. It's a great day, special day. We got one of my good men, one of my SEC. Yes, sir. One of the legends here joining this, so I'm very excited. Yes, sir.

People, today we have a guest with us that, like he said, it's that SEC. Let me get this. Five-time pro bowler, NFL leader in receptions in 2017. Yes, sir. Drafted in the second round by the Hampton Dolphins. Broke the single season record not once but twice for receptions for the dolphins. in 2015, did it again in 2017. So, you know, sir, he's not here to play games.

Our good man, Jarvis Landry. Yes, sir, man. Yes, sir. Welcome to the show, brother. Thank you for coming, bro. Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you guys for having me, man.

I see them LaBardi's back there, bro. I ain't get one. You know what I'm saying? It's just a little something. I just let everybody know just what it's, you know. That's a great frame. That's a great frame. That's a great frame.

Come on, one, two. You right. You know. We got our helmets, Joey. We got our helmets, you know what I'm saying? We put in our time. Yeah. Yeah, I see your helm.

I see the team. I see all the teams you play for Miami, LSU. Yes, sir. Woo, woo, woo, woo, let's go. Yes, go, that's it. You just ain't have enough space for all the other helmets. For the other helmets. Well, hey.

You know. Hey, hold on, hold on. Hey, Jarvis, where you, I'll even show you something. So, you know, I got a, I got a Bengals helmet. I played for them. You got a Patriot? Oh, look, that little, that little, I got a mini helmet. I played in his helmet.

Hold up. Hey, Thibault, you got the mini, that don't count. You said the mini helmet. Hold on. Hold on. That don't even count. He got the, he got the exclusive signature helmet. See, there you go.

I got the big one, too, now. I hear it. I hear it hurt when you hit some light. Okay, okay. So let's, let's, let's, let's, let's go ahead and look here. and you already see, you already see the steel helmet sitting right over there

in the corner right here. I'm not a big collector though. I'm not a big collector. He's not a collector. Hold on, hold on, Jarvis. Let me talk to you, baby. Let me talk to you. Hey, but he's not a big memorabilia guy.

I'm just, I'm, it's not memorabilia. It's just about, you know, where you being, you know, where you play your, your history of what you do. I mean, Joe, you got a Steelers helmet and you got a, you got a Brown's home. Yeah. My, I got Gators home, too,

but I just want to know. I just want to know, Jarvis, um, why know, why no Brown's home? Yeah, man, listen, listen, I, you know, I love Cleveland. I love the organization. I love the fans there, the community there.

You know, I didn't want to leave, right? Yes. But, you know, when I finally got released, man, honestly, bro, I was back in Miami. I remember where they went back to go get my things, kind of told my brother to go handle it. But I'm sure I got some stuff around here somewhere. Well, but nothing that made the show today.

Nothing that made the show. All right. He's her pressing my dog, man. He just moved me. He got a lot of them. No, it's still a dog check around here. You're still adults? Thank you.

Where are you born at? You ain't got your dog bono over there. You ain't got a bone over there. Dogs got to eat, you hurt. Come on. Real talk. Thank you, Juse. Yeah, man, for sure, man.

Brother. Brother, real. Yeah, like you said, you know, real talk. All that other good stuff. And I'll leave my man. Take care, brother. Joe had mentioned you set that, you set that record there with the receptions. But over the course of your first, I believe it was six years, you actually set the NFL record.

Like, what enabled you, you know, to be consistent in those early years? Like, how were you able to do that? I just honestly, brother, like, worth that. They had a lot of great teammates, you know, and worth that they, you know, I stayed after practice. I'm sure you guys seeing guys like Antonio Brown, other guys that you guys play with throughout the years, right? Stay after practice, get the extra work, working on hands, working on hand-eye coordination, you know, working on situations, running that extra route after practice. You know what I mean? All those things matter.

All those things count for something, bro. And it really was a gift, bro. These size 11 hands, 4X gloves for a reason. Okay. Okay. I would ask you this, bro. I play in the league too. and getting drafted, you got drafted to Miami,

and you went and did work there. You know what I'm saying? Like, you bawled out. And when you got traded, is that when you finally realized, like, the business aspect of the game? And was it a culture shock when you got to Cleveland? Like, that was kind of my question.

Like, when did you really realize, like, this is a business? Man, well, you know what, Joe, I didn't even realize it did. Like, like, because at the same time, I never played the game for money. Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. I played the game like just out of pure love, out of pure respect, right for the game. When I got to my contract year, I had a decision to hold out or then go to training camp. At that time, I said, you know what, I'm going to show up.

I'm going to be a team guy. I'm going to go to training camp. I'm going to go do everything, compete at a high level, show them that like I'm a dolphin. I want to stay here. I want to be here. Yes. Man, that season ended. There was like, man, we got 11 million for.

you. Now, mind you, top guy at that time getting paid 15, 14, I was thinking, Julio Jones, Odda, just got paid. Okay. And we had a guy on our team named Kenny Stills. Kenny Stills are making about $11 million a year. And I'm just thinking to myself, it's like, there's no way y'all see us the same. Yeah, yeah, no, you just broke the record, the NFL record for receptions. I'm like, there's no way y'all see us the same. So let's keep talking about it. I decided to let my agent handle it. I stayed out of it. Next thing you know, they were like, they go to the combine and like does trade talks. We'll let you talk to other teams. And, you know, maybe we'll consider, you know, matching. That's kind of like the conversation. Yeah. Combine that happens.

Next thing you know, I'm either about to go to Tennessee or I'm about to go to Baltimore. So I'm going to. Okay. Yeah. So I'm on a phone. Cleveland was never in the picture. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out. So my coach at the time, I'm not going to say his name, but my coach at the time, it was his thing in team meetings where he said, if somebody don't want to play for the Miami Dolphins, I'll send you ass to Cleveland. Oh, shit.

And Cleveland, one in 15, 0 and 16, essentially send you to Cleveland so your career could die. So we got through the whole process. Damn, that was your coach in Miami. Yeah, so we get to the, we get to the, That's crazy. We get to the process. And mind you, I got a cystic fibrosis charity event

the same night that I got traded to Cleveland at the Miami Dolphin Stadium. So I get to the stadium. They call me. They're like, man, you're going to Cleveland. I'm like, Cleveland. I'm like, what happened to Tennessee? What happened to Baltimore?

Oh, they don't, yeah, them send you out to Cleveland. That's what they said. Send me to Cleveland. So it was one of those symbolic things. You know, like, hey, like, you don't want to be with us? Fuck you. No question. You know what I'm saying?

No question. So my mindset, Joe, when I got to Cleveland was this shit ain't going to be like how I was last year. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So if you look at any of my presses when I first got to Cleveland, I'm smiling. I'm excited because there's an opportunity to do something here that hasn't been done in a long time. Right.

Yeah. And the type of player. Your contract when you went there? Of course. Okay. Okay. Okay. Of course.

So we got paid. Your boy got paid. Your boy got paid. But at the same time, like, it were really, as much as it was about like making sure my family was straight and secure, I'll be honest with you. That was, that was a great feeling to sign that deal. But it also was like, yo, like my mentality is like everywhere I've been, I've won. Yeah.

No, for sure. For sure. I've always felt like I was always, I always felt like either my leadership or my play played into those things, right? And we had guys like Tyrod Taylor that came in, you know what I mean? We had other guys that came in with me where I'm like, okay, we drafted Baker Mayfield, you know what I mean? Like, there's some, you know, we can get some shit going.

Brother, you know what I mean? So I was optimistic going into Cleveland, very, very highly optimistic. And then Odell ended up coming there too today? How long were you there before Odell came? So I was there a year. And that crazy story, I remember talking on the phone with John Dorsey. John Dorsey called me I'm training here in South Florida

one year after our first year so I think first year we went like six and twelve or something like that I don't even remember and then John Dorsey calls me in that whole year I'm like man we gotta get Odell here we got to get Odell here

I don't think he's happy blah blah blah he calls me on the phone like 10 o'clock at nighttime he's like hey you think your guy I want to be a brown And I'm like, yeah, he want to be a brown for sure.

And at this time, I hadn't talked to him yet, but I'm like, I'm usually, I'm like, yeah, yeah, he wants to come. I'm here. Yeah, right, right. So I remember calling him. I remember calling O'Dell. I hung up with John Dorsey. I called O'Dell on the phone.

Odell's in Paris at the time, I believe. And I'm like, yo, I think it's a real possibility, bro. Like, they're calling me and they're asking me. Like, what's up? Yeah. And Odell's like, man, look, I don't really want to do it, but if the Giants don't want me, it is what it is. Call Glenn, I call John Dorsey back. I'm like, what's up?

Hour later, day later, he'll brown. See, that's what, that's what I ain't going to lie. That's what I'm saying, because when I got released from the Browns and I started looking back over there, they was bringing in talent. And I know what you're saying being optimistic because you're a good player. If I'm here, I'm going to bring the vibes, I'm bringing the energy. I'm not going to instantly think we're going to lose. So I'm rocking with you, bro. Thank you, Jarvis.

No, hell no. And if you go. Hey, man, after hearing that story, I don't even know how you got a Miami helmet back there. That man tried to send you to kill your career. It's all good. It's all good. Look, he did work there. No man can curse what God has made, man.

No question. No question. Joe, hey, man, you might want to get one of your cleaning helmets to replace that Miami. No, no. No, no. I don't know. I don't know. I know he got another one somewhere in there.

No, for sure. There's something around here in storage or something like that for sure. You know, we're still in a little bit of construction inside the house. So, you know. Oh, y'all, I forgot. I forgot. Y'all, y'all, y'all boys. Y'all got that money, money.

Nah, no, no. You know what I'm saying? Just trying to live a little bit. Just trying to live, man. We all. That's all I'm trying to live, man. I'm just trying to keep a roof over my head, man. I'm living paycheck to paycheck around here.

Juice, he'd just be out in line. He'd be saving. You know what I'm saying? He'd do his thing, but he'll go spend it on some wine. Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. Devo got his stuff. He's going to spend his money on.

Don't let him trick you. Don't let him trick you. Listen. The nutrition, the nutrients from, no, it's poison. I ain't go lie to you. Hey, yo, juice. Quite one glass a day, though. One glass of day.

One glass of day is fine. I don't know about that, man. That might be a lie. If I do one glass a day, that means. the bottle's still sitting there. Like, I got a, I might as well just drink the whole bottle. That's, you know, ain't no need to open the bottle if you ain't go finish it. I heard that too.

I heard that too. That's, hey, that's wasteful now. Can't be wasteful. Look, look, since we're talking about, look, can we talk about the Browns for a little bit, just a little bit longer? Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying? You did your time there with me. So I'm asking, I want to figure out, what do you think is going on shaping them now

with the Chador and the Deshaun Watson situation? Man, who do you think they should start? How do you think they should work that? And just from your honest, like, outside looking in, you know what I'm saying? Because now we can really look at it like, all right, back. This is what I think they should do. This is what, you know, this is how I feel. Yeah.

Man, I think personally, with the numbers, I know they've done some restructuring with Deshaun Watson's contract and things like that. But I think with the numbers, you got to let him get, you got to give him one more opportunity. Okay. I think you got to give him one more opportunity. I think Shador did show flashes of. of him playing early despite his situation,

through coaching, through not getting reps and all that stuff, right? But I think if you're going to have a guy like Deshaun Watson on your roster at that number and you can't deal him, you got to give him one more, you know, opportunity, right? Cleveland may be past that point, but at the same time, I think if he gets back to half of the Deshaun Watson that he was in Houston, bro, you know, I think they could be successful. Obviously, they still need pieces of the receiver position.

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I do feel like Chador is a guy he could use one more year of just learning, building, growing. Whoa. So you're saying, let Deshaun start on grip. Let him go and have Sador sit behind you. Yeah. I think, I think Chador, based on what he was drafted, based on, based on you're going to have him for another year, right? I just don't think it's a situation where, you know, you let Deshaun, Josh just rot on the bench at that number.

I'm not saying you let him ride on the bench. I'm just saying you don't hand it to it and just let him go with it. I'm all with the GM saying, hey, open competition and whoever gets to it. start gets to start. I'm cool with that. But for me, handing it to Watson, he ain't played a game in the last two years. And the last time that he did play, his numbers are comparable to what Shador is. And Shador has a very big upside that he's a rookie doing those same numbers. I agree. I agree. I agree. So for me to just hand it to him along with the fact he done worked us over for about 200-something million already that he ain't earned, you think I'm going to

give him the opportunity just to say here, go with it, not give a chance to Sado. to fight for that starting position and now you go put me on the hook for another 230. Hell. But at the same time, you're going to let somebody that got you for 230, 250,

just sit on the bench the whole time? No, I'm going to let it play out in camp. I'm just not giving, I'm not giving it to nobody. I'm giving, I'm splitting reps between these two guys and I'm going to see who it is that I want to go with. And Deshaun is going to have to do something significantly greater for me to give it to him.

That's fair. But then as a GM, you also have to think, right? this cap hit. I can't deal this guy, right? I want him to get as much film out there playing as possible. Shador is our quarterback for the future. He's off your radar after this year.

He's off your books after this year? Through the restructuring and- He's done. Yeah, he's done. So why am I going to do all that to go ahead and possibly, I mean, it's great if you go and you get back to old Watson, but you ain't getting back to old Watson.

brother. You ain't been old Watson since 2020, whatever it is. With this one, let me up in this. When it come down to it, he's going to be there. You got to keep him there. He's going to be a very expensive backup because you've got no choice. You guaranteed this man all this money. So when it comes down to it, to me, like, I'm going to go and have him and Shador go head to head. And I'm going to make a true, honest decision of is it worth it compared to what I'm getting from the play for the pay?

to go and say, here, now this is yours, Watson, because it ain't going to be a situation where you're going to just be like, okay, he's a little better and give it to him. You're putting yourself on the hook for a whole lot of paper when I could say, you know what, I see what Shador did. He got seven games. Watson's last time he played healthy with seven games in 24,

the numbers look about the same. No question. Shador got a whole bunch more interceptions. But again, you're talking about a learning curve and growing curve. Watson did that when he was well into his veteran years. So for me, I got to sit back and be like, as a GM, let me go ahead. This is off my books after. Yeah.

Juice, I think we were kind of on the same page. I think you were saying, just looking at it from the 200 million perspective, that's a lot of bread. You know what I'm saying? And I think a lot of these teams now, too, when we're looking at like Cala Murray, they already cut their losses. You know what I'm saying? When you're looking at, it's another quarterback that did. It was Cala Murray to have a 200 and it was another quarterback that just got.

Hey, Miami. Yeah, Tua. To O'T Tonga Lua. They just let go with two. 96 million. So it's like, end of the day, I'm looking at it. Shadour was a fifth round pick. He had a couple of good starts.

He won three out of his four games at the end of the season. Deshawn's coming off of ACLs. So we want to see what's going on. Deshawn, you're not going away. You're on the roster. If the Shador, if the Shador starts looking crazy, you know what I'm saying? Then we got, we got Deshaun there, and then we know Shadour's not going to be our future. But same thing.

Browns need a lot, like you said. So in the draft, they need some receivers. Shador, you don't really know how good he looked. If he ain't got the options to be able to throw into him. So I'm more of the joint. Get him the line, get him some receivers. Right. See if this year can be better.

Don't be patting the ball. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't spin out. I need to see growth. Because I believe in Shador. I didn't think he should have been a fifth round pick coming out of Colorado. I think people did him dirty. I think he should have been a first round pick.

So now when I'm looking at him, I'm looking at him from a first round lens. Like, all right, he bet. He got in. They let Dylan go first. And then they had Flacco, then Dylan Gabriel. Then Chador got his time. And when I seen Chador in there, I seen the ball finally going through the air. We were winning games.

He threw for 300. You know what I'm saying? Like a couple of the picks and stuff, we've seen some people dropping the ball. So I think seven picks were on him. He had seven touchdowns. So not the best, but give him some more weapons, give him some time. Kevin Stefanski, is. the person when I'm looking at like, he wasn't rocking with Shador.

You know what I'm saying? I can see like he wanted Dillon Gabriel to succeed. He didn't even, wouldn't even call Shador by name. So I'm like, now we got Todd Munkin, somebody to actually sees that he likes Shador. You can see like, oh, no, actually says his name, speaks highly on him, says he's in the building. He's in the facility. He didn't get no reps with the first team last year. You know what I'm saying?

So now, boom, get some first team reps. You on Deshawn? Y'all spitting them, let's see what you look like. You started last year. So I love just the factor of now Shador having options, having the players. And Deshaun, $200 million. You crank, it's all good. I want you to succeed.

You had two ACL Jones. So I'm hoping you look good. Achilles. Achilles. You had two Achilles, man. I hope you look good. I think if I had my GM hat on, right? And I think Debo, y'all both make good points.

But to your point, Debo, I think if I have my GM hat on, I think it's Shador's, I think is Deshawn's job to lose, right? I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think what the cap spin and the risks that we put into this investment, into this investment, right? Because, and I'll ask you a real question. Yeah. If this doesn't work out for Deshawn Watson in Cleveland this year, Shador gets to start, is Deshawn's career essentially, who's picking them up? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. That's not for me to worry about it. I don't know. You already, by this time, you're already 200 up. So you've made 250 now. So the teams and everybody's looking at you like, nobody owe you no payday. We're hopefully, you're going to come and get a prove-it deal. You're going to sign one of these minimum jumps and, like, be on the team fighting for a spot.

Because you're 250 up. That's how GMs are looking at you now. They're not looking at you like, oh, you're trying to get a deal. You're on your rookie contract. Right. And you're up. Which is why is Deshawn's job. What you got to understand is.

Is Deshaun is his job to lose to me. It's his job to lose. I love. So you're saying it's his. He's going to compete for it. Only way he can get gone. He can compete for it. But he will be my front runner until.

Because of the bread. I understand what you're saying. Until he loses the job. So if he wasn't making that money like that, would he still be your front run? No. It wouldn't be no. Okay. So hold up.

Hold up. Now he's your front runner. his numbers are a little better. Are you starting me? Yeah. Okay. Now, at the end of that year, he's in the bottom,

whatever it may be, comparatively to what Shador did. If you gave Shadour that season, they're close fighting together. Now he says, New Deal, 50 million. What are you doing now? Shadora, my quarterback for the future.

Shadore is the court. So why are you sitting him down and stunting him? his growth right now. I think there's still, I think there's still some development that needs to happen there. You know, Joe, Joe refers to it. You can't develop and let's get real game fired. We know this. We also, we also, we also, look, Aaron Rogers, you can sit the bench for two years. It's only a second seat. Debo, Debo, Debo. I can sit behind Aaron Rogers. I'm just saying. If he might, listen, who knows, you need two quarterbacks. He might get

hurt. I mean, not, not saying that at all, but you go on there with two quarterbacks. That's a true statement, though. That's true. That's why even if the Shado was starting, he could get, something could happen. You need another. You need another. the quarterback that you can rely on, that backup is legit. That's a real position in the NFL. As a GM, I'm not putting myself in that position to have to make a hard decision based on him being a small amount better. But also, and maybe I can say this and I'll speak for myself.

I won't speak for y'all, but y'all can tell me how this happened for y'all. I didn't really make my jump until year three. I didn't really, I didn't really, it was like, oh, this shit is easy. until like. So they had you sitting behind somebody not getting no snaps playing games. I was sitting behind a couple people earlier. You don't get no snaps. You're ain't getting no snaps is what I'm saying.

They're not about to be switching quarterbacks in and out. I know, no, that can't not happen in NFL. It's not college. No, I know. I get that. Yeah, I get that. But, but this is where Shador has to be a pro in practice, right? He has to be a pro leading up into the game.

He has to take all those necessary reps. Even after, after practice before games, training, you know, getting ready like a starter. I would say this. Darrys, you don't believe that, man. Ain't nobody practiced. I believe this. Quarterback is one of the toughest positions to play.

A thousand percent, the toughest. It's one of the toughest positions to play. I feel like sometimes, and I spoke about this on my show before, when you put some quarterbacks in that situation, that situation too early, it doesn't go well for them. And if it doesn't go well for them, that's generally their career. That's generally what they're going to get judged by for the most part of their career until they get in the right scheme or the right fit or coming as a backup and you know what I mean

and then, you know, reignite their career. Like I feel like Shadour has the intangibles. I know he's going to be a great quarterback in the league. I think nothing is wrong with him, you know, being a solid number two backup, one A, one B, however you want to call it, right? And if this shit is not working after game four, green five with with Sean Watson, we need to get him out of here.

Yeah. But I'm paying him too much money. I'm paying him too much money to have to go three years with him not ever playing in a game. It's insane. That's bad, that's bad business by up top. That's what I'm telling you. Bad business.

You are speaking exactly right. And they've been doing bad business, though. They knew once they knew it was a bad deal. He said it. The owner has them. said this was a terrible, we took a swing and a miss. You know what I'm saying? And now we're trying to say, no, maybe it could be a swing and we get it back.

I'm like this, no, no, no, no, coach. You already 200 down on the deal. This last 50, it is what it is. Like, we could, I'm with you with letting them play because that's $50 million on a quarterback. Let me see what he can do. And with Shador there, knowing, like, this is only his second year. He can learn or whatever.

But I'm more of the position where Shador got to lose it than Watson got it. then it's Watson's job. So the other way. You think it's the other way around? I just think it's the other way around. And I think it's the possibility. The same way you said that Shador could get in, that's the same way I think that Watson would be able to get in.

They already lost the two, but you're going to keep them. I want them in both battle. He started the last games. He did his thing and he's in the building, bro. He's doing all of the things that I need to see from a quarterback, the coach's perspective, the team rallying around him. So it's just like, don't take him out now. You got a young bull.

I think it was the first round. quarterback that's studying, going into the OTAs, like really trying to get it done. So if he does not end up looking crazy first five, six games, you got Deshaun. He's still there working. And now he got something to prove because if he don't do nothing, then he's going to be somebody else's backup quarterback. He's out of the league. You know what I'm saying?

But y'all know like I know how the league works. And if that situation happens, then from, I think from a negotiating standpoint, right, the Sean Watson coming game five. Let's just say save our season. I doubt it. Now we like, this is what I'm saying? We might have to give him an extra extra debo

because now our hopes in our promising future. You know what I'm saying? It's a tricky situation. You really think he could come in there after not really being productive in the last five years and go to the level that he was in Houston and he hasn't even come close to touch.

I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this. Let's think about the division, right? Our guys in Cincinnati have been struggling, right? Trying to stay healthy, trying to stay on the field. So that can go either way, right? They lose the defensive end, you know, who's, who's ricket. Well, they're really the defense wasn't.

Yeah, but, you know, I played in where we, we plan it for him, period. Like, you know what I'm saying? Right? You think about the Baltimore situation, right? Great team, most likely going to win the division, but they lose. their OC to Cleveland. Let's see how that play out with a new head coach, new system, right? You go down to Pittsburgh.

I know y'all talking about this quarterback will something, but I don't, I don't know if that's the, you know what I mean? Like the division to me, we don't know. The division to me is open. We ain't seen nothing. And I feel like I'd rather go in it with the veteran than the rookie right now. I'd rather have the rookie at the backup. Okay, I got a question for you real quick.

Because the division is open. I hate you. I hate you. I need some help. I need some help. Whoever the quarterback need help. Go ahead. I need some.

Sorry. Put Aaron Rogers in Cleveland now. Where are you at? As far as who starting? No. Put Aaron Rogers in Cleveland. Where is your division set up now? You said you don't know about Will.

You say you want a veteran quarterback. Aaron Rogers in Cleveland? Aaron Rogers or Desaunt Watson. With the receivers? I don't know. Right now. I just don't know if the supporting cast and no shade to none of the receivers in Cleveland. No shade to none of them, right?

They got some young talent, right? Okay. Jerry Judy. In Pittsburgh, you got a choice right now between Aaron Rogers, Desaunt Watson. Who are you going with? I'm going A-Rod. Yeah, I'm going A-Rod too, bro. The only thing, the only thing I was hesitated is default.

Hopefully he'd come back with some mobility, right? But look, Jarvis, you saw the last, like, I know. You're right. You're thinking now you're getting faster. You're thinking now I'm getting faster. You know what I'm saying? This man, I had two. And no disrespect, because I want him to be going crazy.

The world is better when Deshawn Watson hoops out. When he's out there balling. But when you are a quarterback and you run, and throw. And that's what he could do both. Like, that's what made him special. You know what I'm saying? Now, it's 2026. The last time he had that season was 2020. So I'm like, ah, you know what I'm saying? Like just expecting him to come back and be running around looking like he did is a lot to ask. I think, I think regardless of who to court. I'm Luke Wilson. Join me each week for film Never Lies. Since retiring from the NFL, I've had a lot of my mind and now got my own show.

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I'm like, I suck. Getting to talk about this is not common for me. Right now I need it more than ever. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Chetty on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You make a great point. I think regardless of who the quarterback is, they need some receiver support. That's a fact.

They did a, they've hauled in some old linemen, things like that. But they need a lot of receiver support. They, you know, get their running back healthy. their tight-in play really great for him last year. The young kid, I think he was like rookie, you know, first team all rookie team or whatever that is. Running back and the tight end. Yes.

So they got those little pieces together. Obviously, we all played the AFC NART. We know it's a physical-ass division. Like whoever's running the ball, is controlling a line of scrimmage, more than likely going to win those games. But we also know those guys on the outside do make big differences. Yes.

And they need some, I think Cleveland needs some help. they need a little bit of help. Maybe that's what they're going to be drafting, you know. That's what. I'm hoping. Receivers in line. Yeah, because it's no matter who back there. We could put Tom Brady back there.

I don't think it's going to. I don't know. You put Tom Brady back there. He goes to see it, fine, and get rid of it. Not even you can't catch it. I can't get open. Hey, listen. Can't get open.

Somebody's right in your pocket. Okay. I go with that. I go with that. I go with that. Can't get open. Yeah, man. But we know, I actually, so, so true story.

I actually played with Tom Monkin in Cleveland my first year. Okay. And how was that? Man, he was cool. Again, it's interesting to see how he's interacting with Shador right now. And throughout the organization, I would be honest with you. I was surprised with the hire. Okay.

But at the same time, he went down to Georgia, did his thing, won a national championship, came up to Baltimore, helped Lamar with the MVP season. Yeah. with all Lamar, but you know what I mean? Yeah, that's called Spade of Spade, but at the same time, he was a part of that calling plays and things like that. But I will say it's going to be interesting to see how that dynamic plays out when we get in season, when the bullets actually start flying and not just taking photos and, you know,

looking cool. And I want to see what the interactions become then. What person or type of coach did you think Cleveland would hire would you being surprised with the Monkenhire. Man, I thought, I thought they would go with a defensive hire. I think that I think most of their head coach jobs that they filled

over the last couple of years have been all offensive minded. You know, Hugh Jackson was an offensive minded coach. Kevin Stephensky, offensive minded coach. We had, Freddie Kitchens, was an offensive minded coach. You know what I mean? So I thought that being at the AFC North was

more of a tougher division. You know, obviously our defense, Jim Schwartz, I thought he was going to get the job. I really, it was it, Jim, it's Jim Schwartz. Yeah, yeah, Jim Schwartz. I really thought he was going to get the job. You know what I'm saying? Because that defense, every defense he coached him,

there have been top 10, top five every year. That defense that they played in Cleveland, defense ain't dropped no losses. Yes. You know, so I'm thinking like, okay, you got that. And the defensive coach, you all know, defense of coach brings structure to the team. Yes.

You know what I mean? And that way an offensive guy can come in. just focus on an offense opposed to being like, okay, I'm trying to focus on the office and then call plays. Sometimes that's too much, especially for first time head coaches.

For first time head coaches, you're trying to call a play, you're trying to control the tone of the team, you're trying to lead, you're trying to deal with the defensive knucklehead, the offensive knucklehead, make sure the quarterback is on it. It's tough for a first time head coach

who just want to call plays. He literally just want to call plays. You're hiring an offensive coordinator as head coaches. Not that it's a bad thing, but not everybody can do it. You play with, I like that.

You play with Baker Mayfield in Cleveland, right? Come on, do you know this? Come on. Yeah, that's, okay. So, why, why, why, why, why that Stafansky, Baker Mayfield situation? Why do you think that ain't work out? What was the real big, what was the deal?

Man, I don't think it was beef, man. I just think it was more of like, and I, and I said this when Shador went there, um, with Kevin Stofansky. And again, people think that I'm bashing Kevin Stafansky and, and all that stuff. And I'm not trying to bash that Kevin Staferski. I'm really just calling it how I internally saw it and try to have like, my interpretation, right? Like the quarterback development in Cleveland just wasn't there.

Like, and I felt that way about Shador as well. Like, you know, like there's situations where I'm just like, damn, man, like we could be, we could have better conversations. We could be watching more film together, you know, things, you know, things like that, right? Like, and it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was weird. Yeah. Let's just say that.

Let's say that. You know what I'm saying? I can show you, I'll see y'all text after I'm finished with, when I text my homie about the Shadour going to Cleveland thing, literally what I say, word by word. Because, you know, I think he's a great player. I know what Shadda is, I think Shadell is a great player, but I do think he need coaching, right? I think he can't just rely on his talent anymore. Yes.

Right? He, he needs somebody to help him to. develop and understand how to how to how to how to game work how to process work. Hey, listen. Go ahead. Go ahead, Debo. I'm sorry. That's the big thing that a lot of coaches, what, or head coaches, I'll say a lot of head coaches don't realize, especially guys that just want to run things by themselves their way no matter what. And they just put people in position that's just going to run with whatever it is. They say, you got to have somebody at every position that you hire that can actually develop your talent.

don't care if you're in year four, five, six, seven, I should be able to get a nugget from this coach that's going to help me develop. Rather, it's something in the playbook because I'm young and then learning and understanding that it ain't just about knowing what you're doing now, son. You need to know

what the person beside you. And as you learn that, you need to go further and further down the line so that you can better help yourself, help your teammates. Because if you got curl flat, there's no need for you to sit out there. Drop and dig your ass 15, 17, deep because he probably got a deep crosser coming over over there somewhere.

Like you can better, or squeeze in, you can better help narrow down the zone for the other players in there. And if your coach is not giving you any type of nuggets like that, especially as you get older, you don't really need to know more. But, you know, year after year, as I got in, I'm trying to learn more of what everybody else is doing. And my coach is still continually helping me get, oh, man, did you ever think about this or that?

So hiring people. who can actually do the job individually on the basis of, hey, you're a linebacker coach, going linebacker coach, develop these dudes. You're the DB coach. You're the corner coach. You're the safety guy. Like, Joe, when you were in Pittsburgh,

tell me how much that, you know, Lake helped you. Bro, helping me tremendously. Because, you know, the one thing was all I need is nuggets. You know what I'm saying? Alignment, assignment, technique. But when we're going into these games, give me something like when this dude, this is like a 90 percenters. When they run these plays on third and threes, when you see this split, you're going to get this.

You know what I'm saying? Study it up. You know what I'm saying? Give me some real stuff that's going to help me in the game. Don't just have me out there plan blind. So, like, that was one big thing. Like, those are some things that the good coaches do. Yeah.

And I think it's one of those things. And we talked about on our show, Joe, where, you know, I think it's one of those things that coaches sometime, like, they even over, over, complicate something for no reason, right? Or they don't know enough about the position because they were hired by their friend. Yeah. And to get in the door. And now we're in this room that we don't really, probably shouldn't be in. You can't say nothing in.

Because, hey, I hired you. When nobody else would have hired you, they wouldn't even thought of you. I put you in here. So what you looked like voicing your opinion against me about something I'm saying? That shows no appreciation to them, to them. But for me, I'm trying to be maybe middle ground smartest person in the room. I want to be the least hands-on coach ever. I'm going to hire everybody at every position that makes it so that I don't have to do nothing but go to them and they'll give me their expertise at corner, safety, linebacker, whatever that position may be.

And I am head coaching. I am managing. You're delegating. I'm delegating everything. Period. And I think sometimes, you know, especially in Cleveland, we were talking about Cleveland, right? And maybe we'll see, now that we see in turnover happening more,

a lot of young coaches being hired, a lot of the old faces of the game that we grew up through, right, or leaving, not leaving the game, but being pushed out by these younger coaches. I feel like every year is another young hire, being the youngest coach ever, you know what I mean? And I think a lot of it, you know, has to do with this this culture of coaching where, you know, this guy gets hired. He brings in his friend.

Next year his friend get a, like, like for instance, bro, and I know that might be out a little bit out of topic. But like, how is Blar and Flores not up for a job? Brian Flores, yeah. How is how is how is how is how is how is how is my other guy name Damn but but how how how how how is these guys defensive coach this man in Minnesota defense balling yeah You know what it is relationships Yes that's the thing dude like it's it's a lot of it's a lot of relationship

things and then making sure that you need to be talked about more What you're looking at is what it is. You know what I'm saying? Like it's family hires. It's, you know, oh, you were my old coach from here, hire all that. But it's very few people who are willing to go in there and be like, you know what, I'm going to hire the best person at this position that I feel like I could get because it's going to take away credit bitterly from me.

It's a lot of coaches that have ego, so much, especially head coaches. I don't fought this long to get this job. And I'm going to be honest with you, like, as you talk about, Flores. That was one of the things like when he went to Miami, even though it was a whole situation that happened behind that, it was a lot of players that said he had a big eagle once he got there. They were like, dude, the dude that you met or I met in New England, they're like, dude, that's not the cat that we've seen right now. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Flores, he got that. He fenced the top 10. Yeah. Yeah. But it's, you know, it's a little different when, you know,

you're communicating to me as if I'm 12. You see what I'm saying? Versus you're communicating to me. Like some people are in the position of, hey, when I'm not the top dog, I'm very cordial. I'm communicative. I am very respectful.

Now, you put me top dog and everybody below me got an answer to me, that might change my opinion. That might change the way I'm talking, especially if I'm a person that wanted to be in that position. shit you crazy you ain't go tell me nothing I can't I can't listen to hear nothing you're saying and I don't gave you this job when you would have never had that chance

come on bro you're supposed to be yes man you're you a yes man I don't hire a bunch of yes man no accountability yeah we gotta have somebody to tell you when you're doing wrong no heard that heard that man I love that I love that little topic right there no for sure I love man I love that that's the type of stuff man where like you know

I sit back and I watch ESPN. I watch transactions, things happen throughout, you know what I mean? And some of these things are lost conversations and some of these things are just like my dumbass opinion, right, of like how I feel looking at it or knowing a person and then going into another situation, how you leave a one job and you hire the next day when you ain't really had no success over here. Like all of that stuff to me is very confusing. I know a lot of people out there as well.

But, you know, again, like I say, I love that topic. I love talking about that, that, that, that shit. LSU, LSU, Lane Kiffin. What do you think of that? Love it. I'm happy it happened, bro. It's what, it's what the city needed. It's what the school needed.

Like, and I love to see like guys like Verge Osbury, who's, you know, who's like the president of the athletic director, the president, all those guys, the whole city coming behind selecting a coach that they know is coming to win. I mean, I love that. Yeah. And Lane Kiffin love Louisiana, man. Like, like, big Louisville. Louisiana guy. This one pissed me off. Honestly, Debo, I ain't going to lie because I was between LSU and Florida. So I'm glad we got our coach and then I ain't going to lie. I was I was recruiting Kiffin. I wanted Kiffin bad. He's hip. He's hip. He's what we need. He's going to be able to recruit.

He's able to bring in the talent. He's going to get the money. Like, he's what college football needs, man. So I want to Kiffin bad. So LSU, man, I know y'all got a good one right there. We excited. We excited. We're excited, bro. I can't wait to see. I can't wait to see. I can't wait to see. how you're using the receivers. I can't wait to see how he can keep bringing more players in. And players actually want to play for this guy. You know what I'm saying? Yes.

Like you could sense it. You could see it. You could feel it, right? He's not just like a presence. You know what I'm saying? Go ahead, Joe. But I got to ask you, bro, who is what? Y'all got the rapper on your team right now, too.

Oh, Tusi. Tuci. You got Tusi. We got even rappers want to play at LSU, bro. Like, you feel like me? Man, rappers want to play. Oh, that was amazing. Is he on a?

Bro, this is what I'm saying, though. I think he walked on. He has to, because it's a lot of players. There's a lot of players. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying, there's no, he's not going to be, he's not going to be a wide receiver LSU. Listen, I don't know. You never know, you know.

We, we, we, we, we're receiver you, bro. We develop, we develop receivers every day. If y'all develop Tusi and he goes to the league, bro, LSU, y'all. You know, we can find out. I'm sending my kids there instantly. I don't care. Like, he, like, bro, he wasn't, he wasn't five-star like you. He's not, no, that's crazy.

Hey, you never know. Yeah, that's a little different. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, y'all, y'all grabbing fours and fives and, you know, that, you know, development over four or five. All you got to do is one of the right direction. Whoever LSUI receiver coach, this man go league, he needs to be a head coach somewhere. Now, for sure. For sure.

Listen, it's not that it's not possible. No, no, no, that's, you know, it's, it's in the realm. Yeah, we're going to. find out. We're definitely going to find out. Everything in the room with possibilities. You know what I'm saying? Like anything. All right, bro, I got another one.

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