Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Joey Porter Jr. Negotations Stall + Stefon Diggs to Steelers?

Episode Date: June 26, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden react to the latest in ongoing contract negotiations between Joey Porter Jr. and the Pittsburgh Steelers, reports that the Steelers could target Stefon Diggs, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Intro07:06 - Joey Porter Jr. negotiations22:35 - Stefon Diggs to Steelers?29:37 - Lamar Jackson & Todd Monken relationship (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Since the summertime started and these kids are home, I don't have a full house. So it's active. I don't know when the weekend starts, when the weekend doesn't, when the weekday begins, when the weekend begins. So it's just been a lot of activity. I've been in the pool. I've been grilling. You know what I'm saying?

So summer is in full. Oh, you're grilling, but you wasn't grilling on the floor. I'm grilling. I'm grilling. I'm going. Sorry, on the family. You was throwing sandwiches around for the family reunion. I wasn't brilliant there, but you made me feel.

When I get to my house, my house grill, I know this grill. I know exactly what's going on. I know with the hot spots. I know where to put the glizzies. I know where to put the burgers. I know where to put the burgers. I know where to put the chickens. I didn't do ribs this time.

I just sometimes just real, I'm real quick with it, man. The kids, burgers, hot dogs, chicken. Drumstick. I'm about to pull your black card, man. Barbecue, barbecue. Barbecue. Barbecue. Barbecue.

You're throwing sandwiches around at the family reunion. What the hell is going on? It's a chill. It's not nothing crazy. It's just a day at the pool. You don't got to do it every time. Sometimes you just need a quick glizzies, burgers, drumsticks. Your potato salad got raised.

No, no, no. I'm not. We got mac and cheese, baked beans, and greens. That's the size. And then we got, and then corn on the carb. Boom. And watermelon. for the fruit.

Oh, you're trying to get your black barbats. See, there you go. We got some water. We got some watermel. I didn't even if you try to do it like that, but if you want to know, if you want to know what we got. We got a six pack of watermelon.

And we've got a little repo for the adults. You know what I'm saying? And waters for the kids. Huggies. Huggies? Come on. Listen, man, I got that fan of, I got that fanner flowing around there.

You know what I'm saying. You got the fana, the soda. You got the bubbly soda on the around. Listen, real. I'm trying to listen. They love you. They want to suck. Uncle Debo, can I get some soda?

We got the fan up. No, they're trying to get them some water. I got the holes ready. You want to get some water? I got the holes right there. Bottle water. I got bottled water for the kids. Oh, yeah.

And you know what I'm putting on top of it, though. We got the marker on it with the initials on the top. Bink. So when I see in the bottles, water, boy, I know what your bottle is. You're finishing that water. You're finishing that. You're not just going to keep leaving them all around. No, I said, boop, little initials.

What's your name? What's your name, son? Boop, bink. A little, wait. There we go. Okay. Okay. All right, all right, Joe.

All right. I'm just telling you right now, they're going to that holes right there, but they're going to the hose. Everybody going to the holes. I ain't going to go out. Adults and all? We go,

hell, yeah. You better scoop some ice. You better scoop some ice out of that cool. I'm sneaking in your fridge. I'm going to be like, my, my dog locked. You can't even go upstairs, man. I lock the boat.

Your door is literally outside. Oh, you outside. You have a pool? You outside. I got, listen, I got a couple of porta potties. out there and everything. Oh, my gosh, you're trout. That's a crazy word.

You sending the family to the porta body? I can't have them tearing it up. Wow. Yeah, you, damn, that's tough. Where is the love? You send you your family to the porta-potties. I'm in the two-bed room, one-bathroom, one-bath-room. My parents were looking at me so like, dang.

Can't, that's, we're not good enough to go use the restroom in the house? I'm keeping it so that you got enough of it. You know what I'm saying? I understand, bringing water in and out, bringing, just dragging water in and out. is making my water, making my house, bringing, are you dragging in water? I can understand that, but they got to use the garage. No, no, no, no. Everything starts from the garage out.

Okay. To the street. Because, like, I block off the whole street because I ain't got no way else to go, Joe. I ain't, you know, I told you, I'm two bed room one bath. You ain't got, I ain't got no, I ain't got no y'all. Okay, I got you. There you go lying about the spread footage of your house. You're going to continue to do it until I come.

When I come over to the house, I'm taking pictures. I ain't, ain't, hey, you go see, listen, Joe, that's why I ain't had you over, like, because I ain't going to lie, I'm a little, you know, I just, you know, I do, I live, I live, I live a very, very, frugally, I'll say. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a frugal person. But it looked like we might have some frugally going on,

some frugility. Somebody's frugal. Yeah, with the, with the Pittsburgh Steelers, uh, Joey Porter, Jr. And the Steelers, they say aren't close. On a contract extension, there's a question now if the team will even ink a deal. And I guess from Jerry Dulac, I guess Porter wants around $30 million. And there's speculation that the Steelers value him closer to 20.

Yes. Closer to 20, man. Come on, man. Stop playing, man. What you think, man? You think they need to pay my guys? They need to pay him what he won't. They need, what you think?

Joe. I think this is what I was saying that's going to happen from the beginning. It's going to be Joey Porter and his camp, obviously, from what he's been doing, how he's been improving, how he was a fourth round draft pick. He signed a contract of four years, $9 million. They've been getting a first round high-level corner this entire time for a steel. So when it's agent-wise, back pay, trying to reset the market, he hasn't been doing nothing but performing as a top five corner, not allowing touchdowns.

That's what you do. That's the job. So with your agent and where's Joey Porter Jr. Looking amongst your peers, looking amongst and seeing out there what it is, 30 million is with Trent McDuffie signed free agent at the highest paid corner. What I'm looking at is you got all pros, pro bowls, interceptions. So when you're going from the Steelers perspective, we understand the same thing for sure. A great corner going to be, you know what I'm saying, one of the best in the league.

So the wanting to reset the market, I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing around J.C. Horn. J.C. Horn, same kind of draft, maybe the year. year before, four years, $100 million. So if they're saying $20, Joey Porter and his people are saying $30, that seems so far apart. But when dudes split $5 million,

when they're meeting in the middle around that $25 million mark, that's kind of where I thought. And as in, Joey Porter, is looking like the Herbic deal. If he gets an extension, he has one year left on this contract, one year, $4 million.

If he gets that four-year extension for $100 million, that averages, that's $25 million a year in new money. But as a total contract, that would be five years, $104 million. So we make 70 of it guaranteed. You know what I'm saying? Get him a nice signing bonus. Give him like $30 million in the first year.

And then the next two years will be around $17.5. So the full average of the contract will be around $20 million a year, but $25 and new money. So he'll be happy. The team will be happy. And at the same time with Joey Porter Jr., and the team are looking at like, you're in a good spot. You can want to like $25 million a year playing in the situation. When you are in Pittsburgh, you are comfortable, you do know the team, you do know the system, you are, you know what I'm saying?

You'd be good to go. So I think there's a give or take with both. Want to reset the market, obviously, but I'm like, if you were going to all pro for two years in a row, had the most interceptions in the league, like, then you would be able to go. The numbers have to speak to that when you want to go reset the markets. You have to be able to lead the league in picks, pass breakups, all of that. So, like, that's a thing. So when I'm saying when 25, you know what I'm saying?

Good. You're just trying to reset the market. Obviously with your agent. knowing what you got coming. The team is like, okay, 20, you know what I'm saying? But boom, knock it off, me in the middle. I'm thinking more of a four-year, $100 million extension. It makes it total five years, have Joey Porter at five years for 104.

Everybody's happy. What you think, Debo? If this is true and the Steelers are at what they say, 20 million, and he's at 30 million, and ain't nobody moving, I don't see it getting done. But I can totally understand why he wants to $30 million. Because when you sit back and you look at it, dude, like you said, Tripp, Tri-McDuffie, that boy at 31.

He's actually at 31. McDuffie's at 31. Sauce is at 30. Stingley Jr. is at 30. And then from there, it's a serious drop. To 25. I think it's horn to 25. in Hale, I think what's the name is right behind him?

Ramsey. I think Ramsey is behind him. And then it goes to the $20 million. But the big thing about those other guys is, like you said, they had the accolades that came with. Okay. So I understand that, you know, they have the Pro Bowls, or they got Pro Bowls or all pros or both.

Little Peezy, he ain't got none of that. He ain't got none of that. So I understand, you know, the Steelers, you know, logic behind saying, okay, it should be this and not wanting to have to pay $30 million or in that, or in that range, especially if nobody's moving, you know what I'm saying? Like, 20 is too. 20 is a low ball.

And that stuff can change very, very fast. They know what it is. They know 20 million is not going to cut the deal. You know what I'm saying? And he's knowing, his agent and knowing throwing out that 30 is not going to cut the deal. So then when they really getting into that. nitty gritty, somebody's going to say something. And when somebody gives another two,

okay, boom. Now you give a little, then you give a two. You know what I'm saying? And it makes it, that quick one jump, it's just going to be a thing because if both teams, they want to get it done. The ages know Joey Porter Jr. is a baller. He's been doing nothing but good things for the Steelers.

You drafted him in the second round model. You know what I'm saying? You're going to have starting all pro corner in your future. You already got him for the back pay. He's been playing for under like $2 million a year for these purpose three years. So that performance, at the same time you're getting in your evaluating,

you could be like, oh, he was a bus. No, he wasn't. He's a baller. So now we're going to have to pay him as such as a starting one of the top five corners in the league. You know what I'm saying? And now he's going to show us that. He's going to be still now trying to grind.

Get those pros, get those. Okay, and that's where I'm, where he's going to show us that. Okay. I'm cool with, we're not going to get 25. I'm just telling you that right now. That's not, that's not, that's not, that's not, that's not, that's not, that's not going to happen. Because the way I'm looking at it and the way he's looking at is, yo, my best years are ahead of me.

They're coming. The only reason y'all balking right now at it being around 30 is because I don't have the accolades. So next year comes or this year comes and he gets that, that, that first, uh, all pro, or he gets that pro bowl. And now he's locked in at, at 25. He's pissed because it's easily could. have been 30 or 32, 33, he could have reset the market after the year. Like, so for him to actually take this deal and then be like, I took it because it was whatever, whatever, and then actually go and do what we expect him to do next year, it would be him not betting on himself. And

I'm him, I'm betting on myself. Because at the end of the day, I don't want to be pissed off and mad that I sign for 25. I go and I get an all pro next year. I go and I go and, and I'm a, I get Pro Bowl next year and now I'm the consider one of the best corners and I'm making at the fifth or sixth level of what the pay is. Like you have to look at it. Dude, like, what he's going to do is he's going to do a sit-in. Why do you do a sit-in so that you get that year of eligibility, that credited season so that you're not under contract for them next year, which means when next year comes around, you can leave if the deal is not done. Okay. And the story, the smart thing, like, is to just pay the man.

I'm... The Steelers, pay him. What do you think? Like I said, the 30 million, the 30 million, I don't, I don't know if it's going to be the 30 million. But it's going to be... I got a question, you go. I got a question.

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Do you know what I'm saying? The guarantee That's what I'm saying I think he shouldn't really try to work The average per year It always, it feels good Because you want to be like Nah, I'm the newest highest paid

But in the day, what is that guarantee going to look like? If you're not If you're not trying to reset the market And you want him to take something I think you have to fully guarantee The contract and guarantee it Around 28

That is just where I'm at with it as far as how I would look at it, because when it comes down to it, he may want a 30. He may want 32. He may want 31. He may want to reset the market. But if I tell you, man,

I'm guaranteeing you fully 28 for whatever it is, a bird in the hand is worth $1,000. And I'm giving you this right now. You got to look at what Denver did. Denver just did it. You were talking about Pastor Teng. You know what they did? They reworked this deal,

and they added a $5 million incentive in there. What takes him from 24? to 29 this year, as long as he makes a all pro or pro. But look, Patrick Sirton. We could put that same language in there for nephew. We could put that same language in there for nephew. A nephew, this is what it is, man. It's going to be

26. Okay. 5 million. If you go if you go all pro or probo, and then on top of that, when it comes down to it, it's a not likely to be earned bonus. So it don't even hit us against the cap because he hasn't made a pro or R pro pro pro yet.

With Patrick's Sertan, he already. made one. They're still hitting against the cap, but they're like, you know what, we got to give him some money because he's still one of the best in the game that's up there. And now he's at 24 and you got one guy at 31 and 30. I'm hearing what you're saying. But when I'm Joey Porter Jr. too, if it's, you're saying it's 28, I'm looking at it saying 20, if it's $75 million guaranteed or $80 million guaranteed, that's what you're going to be able to get no matter what. So in your first three years, if you sign for $100 million, And you get this four year, $25 million a year, $100 million extension with $80 million guaranteed. Your first year, you're going to get $30 million. Your next two, you can get $25 and $25. That's your first.

Are you adding incentives to that? Are you giving me that pro-bo incentive? If you give me that, I can see the deal getting done. If you're not giving me a pro-bo or our pro-incentive that's going to add money on top of it, I'm not taking a clue. You could. Okay, no, I'm, yes, yes. Put, put that in there. Put it in there.

Put it in there to make it look good in the new money. Right. Right. Make it look good in new money. So you say, like you say, you say 25 or 26, whatever it is. $5 million for, 4,44. It's a likely likely to be earned bonus. So it won't even count against the cap until it would be likely to it's earned this year.

Then it would count against next year when he made it again. So that would take him right there from a 25 or whatever it is, 24, whatever you were saying, to a 30, 29. I got you. Boom. That year and a year after. So, yeah, the average would be whatever that would be, but the bonus of making a Pro Bowl or a Pro, whatever that may be, will put him where he wants to be, the same thing that they just did with Pax's Tamp

by reworking his deal. I got you. The Fluffs with the accolades will make it to make you be paid as if you were a top corner, because if you do get that, then you can get the extra bonus. The only thing that's stopping him from being the top corner is he doesn't have an action. I understand. I understand. And I'm just saying this, too.

let's are you not are you not you not you not signing that deal with the steelers if it's going to just if it's going to average out to 26 say let's say 26 million dollars a year you're not signing the deal how much is guaranteed is it fully guaranteed is the whole contract guarantee i'm not taking it unless the full contract is guaranteed no okay yeah okay i'm i'm here i'm here because you're telling me right now i'm hearing what you're saying take 26 at a three-year deal that's guaranteed versus saying you go pay me and let me reset the market next year at 32 33 with three guaranteed and it's going to be 100 right there for three years I'm not going to kill myself I'm not going to cut my throat like that I'm an agent I'm his agent listen you got to make it

look good you got to make it you got to make it good you can do it you got ways to do it right now because he he hasn't made a pro bow those not likely to be earned bonuses don't even count against the cap now give him what he want but put it on there so that he has to That's the show, hey, we are paying you this. We're going to give you 24 or 25. For sure. You met all pro or pro-bo. Now you get this extra five would put you at the 30.

You do it next year. It's the same thing. No, I feel you. That's, yep, yep. I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. I'm just saying I would want Joey Porter, Jr.

At the end of the day, definitely get as much guaranteed as you possibly can. And like you said, a bird in a hand is more than a, boggling the feather. So betting on yourself, I feel like is it going to be, what is, what is better on yourself? Are you not going to get the 80 million guaranteed with the Steelers and being there for the next three years? And then after you ball, we're expecting him to make all these all pros and do all of this stuff. So three years at that, after you made $80 million worth the first three, then you're up again. That last year, you know what I'm saying? You got one year left in your contract. We're expecting you to ball out. You're expecting yourself

to ball out. So after that first three years that you made that 80, guaranteed, now you're back to the table. Because if you're expecting the ball, it's time to go re-up. But that's saying 80 next year, Joe, can be 100. I understand that, D-Bow, but he played three years already. Now, that is a better. Like you said, back pay.

Back pay. Where my back pay at? What I'm with you with, Joe. What you do on to me that I would agree with is, if he does do the base thing of the contract would be the four-year, $100 million dollar contract. Then to make it to extra 20 would be a five year each year incentive somehow five year five million

dollars worth of incentives each year with on all pros and pro bowls you know what I'm saying how they want to ever break that up that can make him averaging 30 million dollars a year if he does he's getting his 25 then that extra five if you make the just all pro then you get the extra two and a half so now you're at 27 and a half that year you know what I'm saying the other two and a half gone next season it's 25 you know what I'm saying then you if you make that extra that all pro you get that incentive, you know what I'm saying, to make it 27 to order to make it 30. So I'm with you a thousand percent with that because that's like, that's in the air. That's fluff. The thing that I was always trying to get to him with is what you're going to get for show, regardless of what happens,

you know what I'm saying, that 25 that you're signing for, a thousand percent, you're going to get that 80 million guaranteed. incentives for sure, you can put that in a deal making it look good for you to make the average out the 30. And then the still is like, all right, if you go get that, you know what I'm saying? You would deserve it because you made those incentives. So you speaking, And we were saying the same. I was just like, I was just trying to talk that guarantee for sure money. And then you make a great point, though. If you do ball out, let's put that fluff in there that I'm getting paid like those dues,

a thousand percent, thousand percent. Right. Yeah, yeah. That's why, you know, like I said, I feel like the deal to get done. They'll find out the way to work it out and get things going. I think right now, you know, it is what it is. They start low. You know how it goes.

They start low. And when you're talking about these big numbers, like, you know what I'm saying? You drop a little, you know what I'm saying? Four years. Four years a million dollars. That's a lot. Dude's like, man, I'm like, yeah, it can get chopped down quickly, though. Right, right, for sure, for sure.

So the Steelers, well, not the Steelers, Richard Sherman, I guess they, they, they, he believes a landing spot for Diggs might be with Steelers. Stillers named as a logical landing spot for all pro right receiver, Stefan Diggs. Richard Sherman said, I think a team with a young. receiving core or an inexperienced receiving core could take a shot on him maybe the Cleveland Browns could the Pittsburgh Steelers using I think they could Joe I think the Browns could use them because y'all can use them because y'all do have an inexperienced receiving court and when you look at it your number one is Jerry Judy and then from there you got

two rookies that are slotted to the starters right yeah I don't know if Judy is the person that you want or the only veteran there that you want leading your guys, especially after some of his, you know, actions from last year and last year and some of the things that, you know, he said. And what I'm hearing him not being a really vocal player, he's a person that's going to be leading by example. And, you know, we, you know what we saw from him last year. If that's the example that he's going to give, I don't, I don't know if that's the guy you want. So I see Diggs being a possible. for the Browns. What do you think?

I think Diggs is a possibility for any team that needs a wide receiver. I mean, in depth, because he can catch the ball. I know he can go inside. He was mostly, you did outside, you know what I'm saying? When his younger days in the league, but I think more now, he can get open in the slot, sure hands. And that's what you need. And he knows how to run routes.

He knows how to get open, quarterback friendly. So if you got a quarterback that's trying to get the ball to a receiver that he knows going to be able to catch the ball, I like Stefan. Diggs. I don't think if you're trying to get a number one receiver, he's going to be your number one to be able to lead your team. But when we had Adam Thielen, when we're talking about these dudes in a slot that just know how to get open, know how to catch the ball and are dependable, I like Stefan Diggs. So I'm thinking him to be able to, he's been in the lead for a long time. He knows what it is. He's a good dude. I think he's a good leader. Dues on the team. He's a friend of

mine's, like him. You know what I'm saying? Likeable dude, but he works. He loves balls. So I'm thinking any team that needs a slot receiver that can just, you know, I'm saying third downs, short yardages, he's going to catch the ball. I seen just bang bangs. You remember in the playoffs last year, the one-handed, like contested catches. Those are tough catches that he's making routinely. He doesn't drop the ball. So I'm like, if you need somebody like that, third and shorts, not looking for a burner,

nothing crazy. Like, I don't think it's going to go crazy over the top, but we need people to move the chains. And if anybody needs that, anybody needs a receiver that can catch in a slot, I like Stefan. Yeah, I just don't, I don't see him being. the receiver for us. There's nothing against him personally. It's more of what we have going on. You know, especially what you're saying, like an inexperienced receiving court.

We don't really have that much of an inexperienced receiving court. Right now, we got D.K. He has time. And we have Pittman Jr., he has time. But another issue is, or the biggest issue, I would think is salary cap. Right now, he's. not coming for cheap, you know, he's going to, he's going to have to be paid an issue and he's going to have to be paid some money. And right now our issue is trying to get money to pay nephew.

Okay. We're trying to, we're trying to figure out some paper how we can get, how we can get nephew paid. On top of that, like, we have younger guys that we are trying to build, you know, for the future and then, you know, develop into, you know, what it is that we need. And, you know, he's not a spring chicken. So what is he, 31, 32, something. like that. It's not like he's going to be there long. I think once we do that, if we were to pick him up, it takes away reps from these guys that, you know, we want to get experienced to that, you know, we picked up. We had a young guy with Roman Wilson. He's still young. What is he, 23, 24, something like that. And then we just picked up Jeremy Bernard. That's like right there, Steve Smith,

right there, who was extremely high on the dude. He said off hit, he was like, Jeremy Bernard can do it. all. He was like, he didn't do it all on the football field. He, um, actually compared him to a, Debo Samuels, but with better route running and, uh, receiver traits. Yeah. So he was like, Stiller fans, y'all, you know, you got a, you got a great one. You got a good one there, he said, with Mr. Bernard. So with that, I just, it's nothing against Diggs, you know, it's just that I don't feel like that's the right fit for the Steelers right now, especially with the direction that we're heading and what it is that we're trying to do and build with who we have there. And look, I'm not mad at who we have there. I want to see what Roman Wilson can do. I like

Bernard. He's a young receiver that we just drafted. And I know what Steve Smith said. I believe in what Steve Smith said. So I believe he has great potential too. I'm saying with the money thing, if Stefan Diggs comes to the Steelers, a thousand percent, not trying to ever take anything from what we got going on. You can't, you got to be coming here trying to fit in and not being able to like, if it's going to be a money thing, then, then that's not, then it's not the place for us right now. You know what I'm saying? It's more like I'm trying to get here, trying to figure out how to help this team win. I know y'all are nice. I can help out, you know what I'm saying? Bernard, it's never a problem having too many receivers, but you're right. When the money part

comes in, I'm a thousand percent with you. But Roman Wilson, I don't know, Bernard's a rookie. You know what I'm saying? Pitman and D.K., they're the outsides. They got it. They grown in. They know what's going on. But I'm saying with the slot-wise, Roman, we want to see, like, how he's young, so we're going to see what he can do. Stefan Day, I just know what I got from him. And then Gerald Bernard, obviously, I think he's going to be great, too.

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Now, if something later on down the line through training camping, you say, oh, well, one of these guys ain't working out and he's still around. And it's a possibility. And yeah, maybe. But until we actually get to see what we have and how their development, like, I don't, I don't see it as being a fit for us. Okay. No, for sure. I see. I'm going to just, we wanted to see what the slots looking like.

I'm going to give, I'm going to look at Roman Wilson and Gerald Bernard because I believe, I think Joe, he's going to get it German. I think he's going to be solid. Yeah, yeah. He should, he should be all right. I guess, uh, during a interview with the Baltimore son. Todd Munkin revealed that Lamar Jackson reached out to him with a congratulatory text following the news of his new role with the Browns, to which he fired back jokingly at his AFC rival, we're going to blitz you every third down. He laughed.

Yes. Well, I'm going to go. You go ahead. You go ahead. So if you go back to the history of when, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Munkin got there, I think he got there in like 2023. So that 22, 21 time frame, you know, he wasn't in Baltimore. So when Munkin got to Baltimore, Lamar was having some issues with the blitz.

He was, he was being blitzed heavy in past situations, you know what I'm saying? When he got there in 23 through, what it was at 25 that he was there, Munkin basically helped Lamar improve in everything that he did. He helped him, you know, recognize blitzes, get the ball out to the right receiver, understand coverage is better. And, you know, and if you go back to, what was the game, January, 24, when they played Houston, and it was like 10-10 at halftime, and they were blitzing the dog stank out of him. And then they came out at halftime, and they kept doing the same thing. But Munkin had adjusted, and Lamar finished the game, what is like 16 to 22, 150, 2. two-yard pass and two touchdowns passed and two touchdowns of Russian, and they put up, well, 24 in the second half unanswered.

And I think that was just, you know, part of the joke of him saying, hey, we go blitzing him down. He ain't really go blitzing him every down. He just letting him know, like, yo. I remember when I was whooping your ass, I showed you the way to get out of it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And he's missing me, Mr. Miyagi, though. Yeah.

Yeah. So what do you, what you think, man? You think the Browns go had an edge over the Ravens this season, man. Do you think Monkin go help him and be able to slow your boy down? If what he needs to, I think so. I mean, if you got an inside track, what you need to do is watch tape on the stillest defense. That's what you need to do, Mr. Monkin. because we figured out a way to normally neutralize.

Not saying you can't stop Lamar Jackson, you just have to limit his options to what he can do. And if he's going to be able to throw it and run it on you, you're lost. So you got to make sure that you got to make him keep him contained, make him throw the ball against you. And don't make him be able to just take off on you. Because if he takes off on you, there's going to be trouble

because he's like a wide receiver with the ball. Not saying that his arm can't do it because he's able to do it with an arm, but I much rather me try to beat him throwing the ball against me, than him darting across the defense, slipping through, everybody back turned and we don't see what's going on.

So I think just keeping the eyes on Lamar Jackson, making him have to use his arm, bunch of than this, stopping the run and making them where I receiveers have to beat you on individual routes. Like Zay Flowers, that's their one. You know what I'm saying? So, like, just when you got your corners

that's able to lock up, if you can contain Lamar in that pocket, close it at the same time, Don't leave holes in your rush lanes where he can slither through and get missing. It sounds easier than not, but try to contain him, make him throw the ball on you, and then you put him another extra man in the box. So if Derek Henry's trying to run it, if Lamar is trying to run it, they're all bottled up and you've got to stand up outside.

So if you're able to learn to just stand up outside, the corners, safety, we got to play big. D dudes in here, big men, do not allow him to just get through the rush lanes. D.Ns, don't rush past the quarterback. Sit down. Stop. Like, don't just get blown by because that's the way your defense just gets beat down.

So as long as you got just a staple defense, everybody's in their rush lanes, everybody's doing their jobs, the corners are out there playing man to man, you know what I'm saying, or a little bit off zone,

being able to be like, look, we're doing one-on-ones. These dudes got to beat us out here because the run game is going to be what it is. And now we out here, like, what you're going to do? It's not Jamar Chase out there. It's not T. Higgins.

Zay Flowers and there's good receivers, but they're not. you don't just go studying the tape, worried about them beating you in the game. You worry about Lamar running around, taking you for deep, and you worried about Derek Henry, toting it on you.

So if you can throw another one in there, make sure you keep eyes on Lamar, contain that run, and make them have to beat you outside. That's kind of what the game is. So it's not too, it's not like reinventing the wheel. It's just making sure, like,

when I coached them before, I know what the certain teams did against us that hurt us when they bliss us and just, display gap integrity defense. That was tough because now we got to throw them on timing. We got to beat these corners that are impressed man. You know what I'm saying?

On the comeback outside on time. If it's a little bit behind them, that joint might be picked. It's going to be incomplete. Like just you got to make them beat us. Don't just be holding. No, make them pass the ball down the field on this. Like something eventually going to happen. One of these balls going to get tipped and then we're going to get a picked.

So just don't panic. Don't allow them to just now. Oh, no, we're going to go too out. Keep it down there. Stay man to man. How much longer? Just don't get beat with a bump. Like, no, we're just going to, how many first downs can they get?

How many drives can they can sustain without, you know what I'm saying? Just breaking the deep. Derek Henry breaking it for 60 yards. Lamar, somebody just coming down. He's doing the read option. People dive and he's just scooting out on you. No, play discipline ball, making sure at the end of the day, make them have to beat us. Make it be a pass scale.

They got to go seven on seven. If they do have to go seven on seven, I like the defense being able to be on that. You know what I'm saying? A couple of plays. Yeah. I'm over the mindset of I'm going to make Lamar beat me doing what he is supposed to do as a quarterback and that's past football. Because you are not used to a quarterback being able to run and move like he does. So make sure that you don't allow him to do that and make him sit in that pocket.

Everything I'm doing, I'm going to make you beat me with what I feel like you cannot, or you have less. Yes. It's not just not saying you can't do it, but a lesser chance. Your legs are just guaranteed. I know, yeah, I know y'all can be me running the rap. I know very, I know. I've seen what that looks like in playoff ball. It's a respect.

When you're saying it too, it's like I know what your legs can do. There's no disrespect. So I'm going to make sure that I'd rather your arm. I rather your arm. Yes. Yes. That's, dude, that's no question about it. Like, what they got.

Who the only receiver they got right now is, um. Is that right? Who's after that? Then they get, they lost the, it lost likely. So I think they still got Andrews. Yeah, yeah. They still got Big Andrews. Okay, yeah.

So they got Andrews, Flowers, King Henry and Lamar. So I'm just like, we got, Andrews, tight in, big body, you know what I'm saying? Put a safety on it. Like, we got that. Come on. Jalen? Jaylen? I like Jaylen.

Out there, Zayflowers. I like Sean and I like I like Big Yump easy. Now we just, now show me something. D-line. Now, now, now, now, now, now, now, yes. Now, High Smith. You make you have to throw the rock.

T.J. Right. It's easy work. It's easy work. Like, when you look at it, bro. Bateman. Bateman is the same, like I'm saying. Like I'm saying,

I'm never, I'm not poo-pooing Bateman. But it's not like you just like, okay, yeah, Bateman's about to go take the game over. I'm not. I ain't go lie to you, man. I think we decent. Stillest, I think we're decent, man.

I think we're real decent. I ain't going to lie to you, man. Even on office, like right now, man, we got a nice receiving girl. I mean, maybe, yeah, Cincinnati might have a better one. But other than that, man, we second. Like, what y'all got over there? Y'all fighting at the bottom. Man, wait, you look, the only reason why you're saying that is because we're not proving it.

We're not proven. Them boys works. Where, after this season, we're going to see what they go do, and then we're going to get the respect we deserve. Judy, going to have a way better year. You got to get him the ball, though. Oh, we going to get them. That says you got anybody there that's throwing the ball.

That's it. They don't trade away. Shoulder. I know. I know. We're going to see what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm going to get a shot.

When Deshawn gets the first shot, I'm going to be rooting for him to be hitting him on the money. If he's not, Shadoer's going to get out there and have to hit them on the money. Whoever's out there leading the Browns, we're going to see. The receivers, they're open. Hit them. Hit them. I got to see it, Debo. You know what I'm saying?

Who said they're going to be open? You think they're going to be open? I think they're going to be. We got to sit there and that black and gold. Stop playing. Look, it's going to be a lot of see. You got to see. Look, it's going to be.

I'm going to, I'm going to know. They're getting ready and practice right now going against the warden, Dizell Ward. That's what they're going to get when they get Joy Porter Jr. over there. So we're going to see. They're getting open in practice. You know what I'm saying? During the preseason.

I'm going to see what's going on. See if they're looking real shaky. You know what I'm saying? Looking like they're looking like either headtop guys. if they look like mailbox guys, you know what I'm saying? I might just see. Take a slant to the crib type guys.

2013, oh, their back to the type guys, I don't know. Yeah, okay. Okay. Listen, man, I'm just telling you right now,

man, be prepared to be sitting on the bottom. Matter of fact, y'all in a fight for the bottom with Baltimore and hell, shit, Cincinnati, too. They ain't, they got receivers,

but we got something to sit that down. All I'm telling you with the Devo, no, our division, bro, you just got a division is fire. The division going to be fire. Health. If everybody, obviously, we, if I say, tell us, we go be fire. It's going to be. Y'all just going to be, y'all, y'all will be sitting there watching the flames go. That's it.

We go be fire. Y'all will be sitting there watching the flames. You are out of your mind. All we've been doing is reloading. That's the crazy part, too. The same way everybody's sleeping on the Steelers, I can like, they don't see what's been going. on, it's the same way everybody acting like they don't know what's going on with the Browns. They all worried about now.

They're trying to talk about the quarterback controversy, oh, because now we got actually a quarterback, Shador, and Deshaun doing what he's just trying his best, just trying to be a model citizen to do what he can do and maintain that 230 and go out there and give his best, and put his best foot forward. You know what I'm saying? Whatever you say, Joe. I'm understanding. I'm telling you.

I'm telling you. I'm telling you. You got a lot. I guess your hope is back. My hope is back. It just, when I hear random things just coming from like,

shredness your door, I'm like this. It just, I'm like this. It just makes me real mad, but I'm like, okay, people just be saying stuff so,

so I could just get, like, so I could just be talking, so I could just be talking, so I could just be talking. But no reason. Okay. That's not happening.

It's just, it's, hey, y'all, y'all making stories just a frustrate joke. Yes. And you, Debo, and they start saying crazy stuff. Like, I was like, that's how I thought about when they kept on talking about Aaron Rogers.

Oh, man, is he not going to come? Is he going to come back? Listen, I wasn't worried about that, Joe. I wasn't worried about that. I knew what was coming. You know what I'm saying? That's what I was. That's what was frustrated me.

They just had to get the money right. Sometimes, like, we're going to come on, keep on talking about it. And then they're going to come on here and we see something crazy about Shador. And it's pissing me off because we got, he got training camp to worry about. We talk about training them. We got games to win. in the land with your door. I'm about to hold my wrist now.

I ain't even got my roly on right now. They talk about crazy. All you analysts in Cleveland stop writing these boo-boos stories upset. Please. Please. Just for my name's sake. Yes, please. For Joe's health and safety.

Mental health. Yes. It's mental health man. Mental, mental, mental, mental health month. What is you what you call it? Mental health man's month. What did you call it, Joe? What I called it, I called it something.

June, it's June, it's June, Mendel help month. It's it, by the middle health month, I hope, if it is, don't mess that because you, mental awareness month. It's always mental illness. It's that time to put on your jersey and wave your flag, whoever you root for.

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