Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: REACTION to Browns UPSETTING Steelers on TNF

Episode Date: October 2, 2026

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Back to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show. Fuck you, Joe. Huh?

Huh? I'm just getting my gloves on. I'm just locking in. Did you watch... Debo, how you doing, my brother? How you doing? How you doing? Because you know how I'm doing.

Yeah, we play to win the game, Debo. All right, yeah, I was there and I rushed back. I had a flight six o'clock this morning to make sure I made it back to my home to sit here and have this conversation with you about that game that I was in person for. Joe, Joe, please, please make sure you guys. Please make sure you keep this same energy for the rest of the duration of your life. Oh, huh?

No, no. For my life. Don't you. Never in your life again, throw on black and gold. Huh? And call yourself a stiller. Or call yourself anything that is related to that. Listen, I already told you what it is now.

I'm tired of this. my heart and soul is with the Cleveland Browns. I told you that. Whenever the Steelers don't play the Browns, I'm rocking with them. But they guess who they played Thursday night? They played the Cleveland Browns in Cleveland. And I was there with the land.

Turned. It was loud in there. Okay? So, you know, in the next week, the Steelers, we got the Colts. I'm going to be there with you. We're going to be rooting on our boys, figuring it out. But as of right now, Debo, you already know what time it is.

Yo. What's up? Fidel going to the middle metal. Look here, man. Let's go ahead, jump into this. Let's get into it. Browns found a way to beat distillers, which I'm kind of not surprised because it's a Thursday night game. And it's kind of at your place.

So, you know, when it come down to it. You didn't know the history? I didn't know that the Browns won the last four. versus distillers on Thursday night? So, you know, this is just, it's, you know, it is what it is. But Brown start off at the ball. Okay. Watson going out there, he hit Boston for a hot little five.

Nice catch, nice tackle. Yes. Store it up. Second down, we stop your boy for about two. Yes. Third down, you know, Watson, he goes to bond. And again. Great tackle.

Great tackle. Right dare. Right there, playing with a broke wrist, all that right on top of it. Yes, he will. We stopped y'all short. You got to punt the rock over. Yes. Okay?

You punt the rock over and we get the bell. Yeah. You know what happened. Warren. Hey, four yards real quick. Yes. In completion on the next one. Ain't really tripping on it.

All right. Then we get a false start. That move us to third and 11. Yeah. But when he tripping because with D.K. D.K. he out there. He went and got us a good 15 in the first time. Out there, Tom.

Mm. What it is what it is. Yeah, yeah. All right. We get to that second and nine, and Rogers goes to Washington. He makes it a hot little third and three. Okay. And then right there, Rogers to D.K.,

he pick up a salmon in the first along the way. Yes. That's when the penalty come in for the taunton. Yeah. Okay. Uh-huh. The next one, what was it? An illegal contact by your boy Ward over there?

The other ward. Yes. He gets nervous and scared and all that. And then 10, Rodgers going to head, dump it to Jalen. Jalen, go ahead, aha, give you 11 and a first down. Mm-hmm. Okay? Yes.

Let me get into the neutral zone and fraction because your boy, hey, y'all, we was getting, a lot of, look, we had a lot of penalties. That move was to a first and five. They get that ball to one. He picked up a high six on y'all. Yep. Yeah, second to nine. You know, Roger, he gets sack and making it.

like third and 16, something like that. And Roger hits Bidman for a hot, hot little nine. But, but y'all had like two, three, four, five, six penalties on there. We could have called a rough in the past. Yes. Unnecessary roughness. Yeah, it didn't matter.

No, it was a, yeah. It didn't matter. First down. Uh-huh. We get to second and ten. Hey, Warren say, B'Bah, get a hot two. And then Homer come in there and pick it up on the first down and next play.

Yep. we get dropped for a three yard lost in. It's fine. I ain't tripping. It's second and gold from the 12 because, you know, it happens. And I think somebody got a 12, 12 yard. A little jet sweet.

Hey, listen. Here you go, Wilson. Good blocking. Good blocking on that edge. Great blocking on the perimeter. Great drive. A yard touchdown, 7-0. 7-0.

Clearly get back out there. Here, Watson gone ahead. He hit your boy Casey for a hot 21. I don't know what's going on there. Yes, sir. That was a dot. I mean, things happen. Sometimes, you know, hey, sunshine all every dog's ass once in a while.

You are right. You know what I'm saying? Next play, Watson goes to Boston. Uh-huh. And the plea. Get that. Uh-uh. Uh-uh.

That's good. That's good. Second down, we stopped your boy Junction again. Uh-huh. Ain't getting nothing but a yard. Ain't getting nothing but a yard. Third down to nine. Watson goes back to your boy, Boston.

Incomplete. That was passing the parents. That was not a PI because I did not see a flag called, Joe. In the back of his thing. How is going to be a PI, Joe? If the flag wasn't called. If the flag ain't called. Debo, okay, we're not going to have an honest conversation here.

I can see where you're going with it. Okay, for sure. It was a PI, you know it. But he didn't throw the flag. So it's not, we didn't get the arts. That wasn't miss call, though. Can you say it was a miscall? Damn right.

It was a miscar. Okay. All right. That's all I needed. That's all I needed. But it wasn't a flag. So we got to live with it. Mm-hmm.

Got to live with. You got to go on here and do what, Joe? We got to punt. You got to punt that ball, though. We got to punt, for sure. You got to punt that ball, Joe. Mm-hmm. Then y'all go down there.

And I swear, I could have swore that man, that man right foot stepped on that line. Man, I promise you that pinky toe was on that line, but, you know, look. If you touch the line, yes. On the line, that's past line. If you touch the line, it's out. You're on the line.

Yeah. So, yeah, I'm with you with that, D. But I can be honest. I thought this told us on the line. But you know what? Beggis can't be chooses. They gave it to us. Anyway, your boy, your boy, verse over there, he wanted to help us out.

He went on ahead, gave us that good fight. Y'all has a breathing room for that encroachment. Okay? Yes. Warren, get out there, go on ahead. Give it to him on that first and five. He'd get eight. Good, Ron.

You're the first dime. Okay. And then Roger, hey, he go to Warren. He gets another eight. Get, boom. And it's ready to give it to him again. He gets six for the first. Ah.

We're out there working. Yep. First down again. Now what we got on this first down. Yeah. You over there talking about the war. Interception. Hey, listen.

The man arm, elbow got hitting all that. Because he was about the way your boy undercut that. If he had, if he ain't touch his elbow, that was the position. Top of his head. The position that Denzel Ward was in, it didn't matter if he threw a back shoulder, he threw a front shoulder. He was going to throw it. He was going to go to catch it.

That boy, Denzel Ward was in perfect position. With his head around, made the play on the ball. Baller. Yeah. Give me that. Yeah. Get you that. Y'all get the ball back.

Uh-huh. This is where the defense just started doing some crazy stuff right here, man. Yeah. Yeah. No plays less than two minutes, bro. We let these boys go 56 yards and score a touchdown. Yes. First down was just a run for three.

Okay, cool. Second down. Wide open in the flat. What? Wide out. Why not? Why are, we just, we don't know a lot of zones. What's going on?

We weren't a lot of, we're in a lot of zones. And nobody's getting today's zones. You got to get to your zone drops. Get your eyes on the quarterback, but get to yours drops. Dude, I don't know what you know. I'm telling you. It's just looking, and you keep seeing it every single week. I'm like, bro, what are y'all standing there looking at?

It's zone drops. Get to your spaces. You got your cornerbacks looking nuts when they're in those zones because you're not playing, man. You're trying to keep dudes from looking crazy, pressing people up. But get to your zone drops. Right. It's first down now.

Watson dumps it off to Junkins. He goes 12. I don't know who messed up here. Like, like, like, like, like, no. No, no, that's the one where Queen missed the whole tackle. Yes, yes. He just, he just, he just missed the whole. It, it didn't even matter.

Like, I don't, it didn't. Brough. Yeah. Next play, what was it? Almost 30? About 28. TD. Dude.

Yeah. 28 TD, cutting through everything. Like four, four players diving around trying to get there. Huh. Cutting back. I'm like, that's just bad tackling. Brough, I don't know what. And this world is going on.

Like somebody ain't doing something right. I don't, I don't know if we even have enough guys to, I don't know, bro. Like our reaction time is horrible. We're not getting up to the thing. And I can't really tell. Like, is he supposed to spill that? And the queen can shoot down, get down there. But then we so wide on the edge, like, I don't know who's supposed to come in.

Like, we got these corners coming in here trying to play linebacker, man. We got a dude over here brisker, he got on two arm braces. Man, two shoulder joints. Like, because, like, we got a V-D us. He's playing lineback. He's firing off on people, though. I ain't going to lie. He's the answer trying to.

Like, I don't, like, 33 drop down there. I'm thinking he's supposed to spill. He's spilling. If he's spill it, Queen, got to shoot down. He got to shoot down and get down there right now. And then on top of that, you letting KC block you? Oh, he's, yeah. You letting KC block you.

Queen, come on, bro. Yeah. We got 20 missed tack, 40 minutes. I don't know what's going on. That was a lot. Yes. Fire off on. him, bro. He's right. Fire off

on him. Yep. It's a receiver. He's standing there. Look, he's victim weight. Casey Concepcion, he under 200. This man got one carry all night. McLaughlin, 28 yards for a touchdown. Boom.

It's 7-7. Now. Yes, it is. And we go out there. What y'all going to do? Three and out. Yep. Hey, they try to get the Mount Washington earlier. Fum, bum, bum, bum. That's how you tackle. You got the shoot. It took the whole defense. You got, that's when it took 11.

You better get to the ball. All right. We put the ball back over. And what do we immediately do? We say, Boom! Another full plays. Boy.

Another full plays. Just over two minutes. Y'all, it was the first, it was the, 75 yards. Boy, first play. Blue. And you know what that is, Debo? First play, that's 60 yards, bro. 60.

Bro. Give me 60. Bro. What are you doing? Can I tell you something? That right there is Terrible communication. You got your safety. Terrible communication.

No, Debo, Debo, I'm trying to tell you, no, it's covered two. You had your corner playing squat. Everett's over there playing squat. His half field was rolled over next to the other half field. So we had two safety standing next to each other playing the same half. As soon as he realized, oh, I rolled to the wrong side, he took off, running back over to where he was supposed to be. So that's on the safety. That has nothing to do with Ever.

I understand what you're saying, but he ain't got no threat there. I understand. You got to keep widening. You got to go. But God, dang, your whole safety is not there at all. Like, nobody's there. That's what I'm saying. He's in cover two.

He's in squat. So at the same time, he should be a little bit under him. He needs to carry it if nothing's in your flat. But you don't have a top safety. You have no half-field player. That's crazy. You're a cloud corner. bruh that yeah it's blues that's how you get blues like 60 yards brus 60 yards one play and now we down here tell what was it the next play it was a uh what they ended up getting to like a what was a first and five or something yeah we got a boot to k c conception right there case he caught five right there yeah case he caught five right there and then so

second down. Don't know. The junk is he trying to get to the, he got to the two. We can't make a tackle to save our life. Watson was evading. Like, everybody,

like I thought he got out of a couple of troublesome situations, my brother. Next play, two yards, Junkins, 14-7, brother. Yes. Points all turnovers.

We get back out there. Rogers to Fronkins to, to fry before a high nine. Then warm, he picks up the first down with six on the next play. And then I think he ends up taking it like 24. Y'all's still a problem's over there on that run. No, no, no, no, for sure. There were 24 y'all run was wicked.

Okay. Yeah. We get an end completion. Second down, Roger's to Pitman, for a high little six, put us to like a third and three. And then we get sacked. We get knocked. Back to, make it a little bit, back to 48 yards.

Right. We try for the 48 yard field, though. And Bob's misses. All right. Bank roll. The music you love. Your favorite radio stations. Everywhere you go.

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Watson to Casey for seven. Mm-hmm. And then, what was it? Second down, Junkins, he gets, what, a hot little two. He gets third one. We heard myself. We all start. All these penalties.

These self-inflicted wound. Yeah, and then, you know, y'all make a play. Y'all get one to Boston. It's a good play, good coverage. You're right there in the top of the ball. You know, that's what happens. That's what it should look like. Like, we should have more plays that look like that.

Catch tackle, get the ball down. Yeah, like get the runner down. Mm-hmm. You know, like it was better coverage, whatever. Right. That's just, okay, anyway. Mm-hmm. Y'all end up getting to like a, what was it, a second in 10?

Yes, and then we get the juke in and get it to Casey Concepcion to start making people miss. Bro, we get the hell blocked out of us on that play. Y'all dare you do. It's like everybody doesn't forgot how to get off a block. Like, we don't, we don't know how to disengage, how to get ourselves free. One for one, you're going one for one. Can't go one for one. We can't go one for one.

It's not a such thing as going one for one. I know, I know. I know. It's second down to nine. They're going to head. Watson again, he's going to your boy junk. The Junkins. Making you miss.

We got a tackle. Junkins. He? If we can make a tackle, bro. Just hold on, do something. Like, I don't even know what to do no more. Like, because I'm just, I'm just yelling at myself. But I know I've been seeing it like the whole time.

Like, I've been seeing it. Like this, first down junkies, get a half four. And then it's a whole known queen. It would have been, it's first down anyway. So it didn't really matter. Now y'all was a goal, first goal, five or something like that. Yes. We miss a sack.

What? I thought he's on the ground. He's escaping. He's looking way more athletic, Debo, than I was expecting. I'm like, you know, some of them, though, they have some of the fight. Yeah, he's a battle. We're not playing good ball.

We ain't playing. We're not even making a place. It takes two to the setup, man. I'll take two to the set up, man. Like, I... Yeah. I don't know what, bro. We're calling...

We're calling shit defenses, too, on, on, like, like, for whatever it is that's out there. And then when we do get the defense that's all good, we don't make. the damn player or to tackle. Yes. This is the defense. They're not tackling well. When you're in the secondary, the coaches are trying to, you don't have the corners to play man to man.

So they're trying to protect the corners from playing man. So they're putting you in zone. And then when you have, when the corners are playing zone, that puts the linebackers in coverage. And you're not finding your zone drops. You don't know concepts of passing. So everything's looking a little off.

Because if you can play man to man and they can lock them dudes up, then it did. it opens up a lot of things. When you start going zone, everybody got to drop back, eyes on the quarterback. That's all good. But when you could play some man to man, like Denzel, like Denzel Ward and Campbell over there, they was locking up. Shut up.

You know what I'm saying? Okay, go ahead. Burn go, Watson goes to fan and he gets the two-yard touchdown, brother. Yep. That was, you know. That was good, tight. It was a decent, it was a decent throw. Good ball.

Jay Lamarrant right there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it happens. It happens. We get the ball back. We only got like a minute. 22 left right there. Second down, Roger goes

to Wilson for 49. Shoot, that was a dot. And that's when we playing man to man and go to the matchups. That's when we started attacking my man 26 a little bit. It's not a man hard. Yeah, then y'all get a hold

followed by some legal hands to the face. Yes, that was legit. Uh-huh. Took away aside. Anyway, having to settle for a 31-yard field goal because we can't get through. Yep.

Better than nothing. 21 to 10, half time. We go get the ball back to start the third quarter. Ain't tripping. Yes. 21, 10-and-a-half, you feeling good? I wasn't feeling good. Hell no.

Why would I feel good as 21 to 10? No, I mean that you're going to be able to come back, though. You think I was feeling good about we was able to come back and we just gave up three third times in the second quarter? Hell no. Damn. Okay, okay. Okay, that was a dumb question.

That was a dumb question. You're asking stupid questions, man. Take that punk-ass brown hat on. No, no. No, you're going to keep on. We get out there, man. We go three and out. Didn't we almost get picked on the first play on that one?

I don't, yeah. Is that that that one? I don't know, man. It didn't matter, man. No, that wasn't the one. We go, we go three and out. First down, y'all get the first down. Offsides, like second or four.

Yeah. We get, what was it? Like, swing past year five. We started carrying people. He got hit with two yards and then started carrying dragging for the last spot for the last three. We can't tackle. We can't get nobody down.

To hell, even when we on them, we can, we're getting drug. We getting drugs. Y'all end up getting us out of there, though. Third night, that's because, false. Start. Yeah. Self and flicking. And then T.J. makes a hell of a play.

Yeah. Huh? Yeah. What do you talk about? Yeah. Y'all got to punt the ball. T.J. made a hell of a play with that spin where he came back. Oh, yes.

That's not. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Stop playing with me, man. We get the rock back. Yeah. Y'all do. Three and out. We get a sack, man. We get a sack, man. We get a sack.

We're going to say we're going to be all right, though. I feel like we're going to be all right in office. I feel like we're going to be all right. I'll tell you why at the end. Okay. Okay, okay. Cleland get back out there. Uh-huh.

First down, I think it's Watson, what was it, seven or something like that? Yep. Okay. And then Junkins he goes for nine. Yep. And then Sanders goes to six. And then Junkins goes for another nine. They're running a train on us.

Yeah. Yep. Everybody getting turned around, turned back, pushed back. Everybody getting turned around. Dang, Devo. Yeah. We was belting. We was belting.

Y'all wasn't belting. You know Harmon got hurt, so that's a big thing. Y'all, y'all started moving the ball a whole lot more after Huffman got hurt. So I don't need to try that. Came back out with the boot. You're right. You came back out with the boot. You're right.

It's getting. so bad that Watson doesn't hit Judy. He doesn't got nine yards in the first down on second and six. Yes, he did. Yes, he did. Judy. I didn't know he was still there. I did.

I did. Yep. Like, what's going? What's up? Everybody eating. Everybody eat. Everybody's eating. Everybody's eating.

But guess what? It's free. You want to run the ball just line up in the back field. You're correct. You are correct? At this moment, we were toting that pill. But SWAT came through. He came through.

Y'all thought y'all was going to do that. He did it fake like he was going to go go for the dive and then came through, blop, blop, get him up. Yep. Give it up. Yep. Then let's recover. Mm-hmm.

First down. That's good. Great play. To that boy Scaroni for a hot shab. Mm-hmm. Then Warren takes it 15 for a first. We fall start. Yep.

My good man, Max. And Rogers get sacked for a 10-yard loss. We get knocked out of field goal range, and now we got a punt. Burn ball. Yep. Yep, yep, yep. Y'all get the rock back.

It's Jenkins, Jenkins, Jenkins, five, three, seven, first down. Luckily, luckily, the ball gets tipped. No, man, ain't no tip, man. That was, because if it wasn't the tip, I don't care what you say, man. I don't care what you say, man. Debo.

If that ball wasn't tipped, my man ever pulled my man by the shoulders. Listen, brother, it would have been over with. Come on. It'd been over with. Come on, man. It didn't matter what happened. If that ball hadn't been tipped, we would have been in big trouble because they had a ball right there.

1,000 percent. Thank you. But you know what? His fingertip hit that ball. His fingertip hit the ball. None of that matters. None of that matters. In aception.

Mm-hmm. Correct. And we get back out there. First down, Warren, for a seven. Yep. Legal shift, Michael Pippman. Legal shift. We got a second and a, you know.

But Rogers hit that man, D.K., we got a receiver too. That was a good catch. That was a really good catch. Hands, boom, didn't let it touch the ground. Great catch, D.K. Stop playing. Great catch, great catch. And then we get a second.

Yep. But you know what? What's up? We got somebody over there named Jalen Warren. Roger's going to have dumped it to him. And he say, I'm going to take it. I'm going to take it 13 with a name. nice um i don't care where you put it i'm gonna put my hands on he put us to that third one and then on

the next play he pick up that two for the first dime yep okay then rogers hit that man washington that's a good that's a good ball that's a good ball back shoulder my man dinsel ward tried to dive in there and knock it out that's a good pass nice try wrong guy nice try wrong guy we go for the two point for inversion which was a good thing to do we don't make it it's 20s max um Okay Brown's ball Got smack boom 21 16

21 16 we get up out there And first down We sack your boy Swat Yes sir Good word Swat Second down you hit Junkers for 10 And put you out to like a third

Three third and four something like that Yep And then Third and four We allow this man Did I just not, I told you the man was used. The man was using his legs for 21 yards. Hey, hey, hey, Briscoe was right there with the option of one-on-one.

Open field, one-on-one, me and you. Just get a hold of him. Wrap his leg, grab it, row. One-on-one. We won that. Get a roll. That's a-old. Do something.

Come on. We're able to hold. Not really, y'all just start tricking it off, really. Oh, my goodness. down to. Man, we almost, Deshawn done running around, got it stripped and it bounced right back into our arms. Right there, Devo, I was old, oh, oh. Come on.

Oh, goodness. Relax now. We fell on the ball. Got us a nice little field goal. Yeah, y'all got a field goal. It's 24 to 16 now. We get the ball. Get back out there.

And this is where we almost get picked on the first one. Because it go over his head. Yes. Yes. Yes. We got lucky on that. Yes. We go three and out.

We got to punt the ball back over. That was quick. Second and nine, your boy, Watson, he hit Boston for a hot little 15. Uh-huh. And then, like, that first, Watson just missed fanning totally. Wide. Open on that third and eight. Yeah, he just missed him totally on that third.

That's just, he's wide open. You got to, hey, all right. Y'all got to punt the ball over. That, that's, okay, yes. And we get the ball. Three minutes, 32 seconds left. We get the ball, and that man, Rogers, go on here and hit Wilson for 12. And then he going to head to D.K. for 22.

That was nice. That was nice. What you go do? Yep. Second and four, Roger will hit D.K. again for 28. That's two fade balls, one-on-one versus Campbell. Those are good passes, good catches, D.K. Great job.

Yes, sir. Coming back around. he coming back around just the time out of the first quarter of season. You understand, Joe? I'm listening. I'm hearing you. I'm at the, I'm spooked at this point because I'm sitting there thinking of.

Listen, listen, listen. We got to go for it on four for ten. But I'm going to tell you right now, it should have been a PI on that second down plate with Washington. He was all over the man. No, no, no. That was deep. Come on, man.

God, you're starting to turn into one of the, you know, matter, Joe. You don't matter because the next play, Rogers is going ahead to fry move on that third down, touchdown. Mm-hmm. Touchdown, and we go for two and put it on you.

It's 24, 24. No. All we got to do is stand up now. We held it ourselves because we jumped off sides to make it go to the one-yard line. Y'all was going to pass the ball. Jerry first, stay on sides to make them run a pass play.

Aaron Roder just snuck it in from the one. Like, that was self-inflicted wounds again. Just penalties. I don't want to hear nothing about that. 24 24. Let's tell you anyway. Stand up. Stand up.

What's the score? 2424. Uh-huh. And here comes this bum. Judy, I ain't never heard. A minute, 36 seconds. Deshawn Watson hits Jeremy Judy with a dot dig right through the. That was a fire catch.

Come on. on Judy. That's, hey, look, all that, you know. What, what two, two doing there then? What's 22 doing there? What's 22 doing there? What's 22 doing there? What was he doing there? What was he doing there? I don't know. I, I wasn't watching him. I was watching, I was watching Jerry Judy that time. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. All I know is that man ran that dig. caught it. Bam! In the middle of traffic. There will be no Jerry Judy slander. All right. Start help us out a little bit. Yeah, a little bit.

10 second runoff. Look, run all the clock off. I don't want no more time on it. Yep, go ahead. Brough? Yes, sir. We go ahead and let this man. He's any.

Widen. For 12. You want to play Z. I'm going to play Z. I'm going to buy Judy for 10. Wyden. Judy, cross route. He's sack Watson.

And then again, Watson just misses on the third down. Yeah. I see. Like, we, we ain't want to win. We ain't deserved to win. We shouldn't have won. We didn't win. Everything got it that we got had coming to us.

We got it. Mm-hmm. 56-yard field goal. This man makes it. Bound. Yes, he does. And we get out there on the first play and we throw interception. Yep.

Eight, nine seconds left, whatever it was. Yeah, you could have did. Yeah. Yeah. I'm different here or there. It just really didn't matter. Games on work. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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we got to communicate together yes a lot of the stuff that was going on it's just games and that's something that's going to help or something that we we go get better with in time. All right. So I'm not,

I'm not really, I'm not really too, um, concerned about the offense at this point. Cause, you know, some of them are getting beat, but most of it's just like the game.

Like you, you, you, one-on-one is games. You got to realize what you're doing, who you're working with, how you got to do things, so,

and so forth. And that's just where it's going to be. Because you're young, you ain't worked together. It's only your second time working together, cool. But we still gave up five sacks. Yes.

That's the, we can't do that. We had two interceptions. Roger still had almost 300 yards, 299, three touchdowns, but the interception, the one interception cost is big. And then the one at the end of the game, it was just over with it. I mean, it's really not much that you could do.

But like, dude, like we was getting pressured. We getting pressured. Warren Ball, the man has 17 carries for 93 yards. D.K. finally came through for us. He's starting to move it up. Hopefully this is something that's going to keep inclining and getting better. Five for 115. It's if, how do I say that?

If we're going to have any success this year, any success this year, the defense, point blank, period, you're going to have to figure out what's going on. The offensive side of the ball, I'm not worried about right now. I'm looking and I'm looking at the defense and each week we are not getting any better. We're staying the same.

So that's the worst that you do is get worse, but that's worse because you ain't learning from your mistakes. You're staying the same. What? Like, that's not going to help us. I know, I know, I know. They can't give up 21 points in a quarter

and expect to win a game. No. Like, again, bro, we're in our past defense, period. Just past defense, period. Rather it's the rush or the coverage. One or the other is flipping out and not doing their job.

We only had two, well, we had two sets. I won't say only two sets. Two sex is good because normally it's supposed to get three. Okay. As far as with the protocol that we had as goals for Dick LeBowell when he came in, you had to have three. But the big thing, we ain't get no pressure. We only pressure this man on 21% of his passes.

That's how you go 24 for 33, 268 yards. Against Watson, I don't know how many tackles we miss. We have an inability to tackle people right now. Yes. I don't know what's going on. Our linebackers can't get all blocks. We got receivers fucking blocking us. Yeah.

add that to the cause that we're getting put out there at the times that we're out there don't it's not conducive to us being successful I don't know what I don't know what's going on okay in the secondary oh I don't even know why Jenkinson was out there why was he out there because Eli is hurt and that's what we got that's what we got they don't matter Joe you don't put him out there you had to pull him anyway

you had to put in Jennings he should have been out there to begin with yeah Devo I can tell you this the secondary now it just goes to me of like when we're looking at it

communication communication the back end is non-existent and that's what I'm saying and that's why when we're continuing we're playing zone coverages and you got safety's basic things

of going to your safeties you're supposed to split the field you got two two dudes going this way. The same side of the field. I'm like, oh, my God, that's junior varsity. You know what I'm saying? That's junior varsity, bro.

I need you to be great at the things that take no talent. And that's communication and knowing what the fuck you doing. Yeah. Yeah. I have, Gibo, you're saying the right things, brother. I mean, it's just when I'm looking, we're looking at the tape. But right now, they got rid of them. And I'm saying this as this.

Why would you get rid of now, Joey Porter, Jr.? Because now, Sean Dean is here. We got the young bulls. He's needed. He's needed, brother. And like, when you start watching, I thought, oh, no, is it worth it at the end of the day? This is why you don't sit there and twirl your thumbs and play with your ass when it come time to get the man a deal and don't even offer him nothing. Joe, what did we ain't going to say what was going to say?

But let's just say that did you hear and I hear from the horse's mouth that if somebody had just offered him a deal, he would have been. practicing the whole time. Come on. Come on. They're playing that old school way. Some of this stuff is not going. You got to keep the players that you, you got to do what you got to do to keep talent

in your, on your team. You want to win or you want to stick to something that's just the way it is. No, it's not. The way it is we won a playoff game in 10 years. Yep. That's what the way it is. Mm-hmm.

It's still away now. It's 500. It's still away now. It's maybe drag your, ask to the playoffs and get kicked out. Yeah. No. Yep.

Yep. I mean, because that's what we say any given Sunday. Because I don't go, we're going to keep talking about the Steelers. We don't keep talking about the Steelers. I don't want to get you hot, Devo. I don't want to keep getting you.

I don't want to get you too hot. We got Jalen Ramsey out here, man, playing with a broke wrist. Yes. D-line was average at best, especially after Hartman went out. We was done. Second quarter showed us that, 21.

The run wasn't bad. The run of self wasn't bad, but you gave a man a 28-yard touchdown and you gave Watson 21 on the scramble. Yeah. Youngers was only 17 for 53. Yeah, 17 for just over three yards of rest. That's not bad.

It's not bad. But you can't take away the stuff that they did. You can't take away to 21. You can't take away to 21. You can't take away the 21 in the second quarter. Mm-hmm. No, the defense, the way we're expecting them to be one of the highest, one of the top five defenses, because they have. The highest paid defense, not top five, highest pay.

Highest paid defense. Highest paid defense. And then that's when we're saying the defense, that's D-Line. And the linebackers, and now we got Jalen Ramsey is a high-paid safety. But when you talk about our corners, we got Asante Samuel Jr. starting, no disrespect. Sean Dean, and we got Everett. And when we look at this Cleveland Browns, they got Campbell and they have Denzel Ward.

Those are man-press corners. And they're paying them like such. So that's why the Browns defense is able to do what they do. A lot of times we're sitting in zone because of protecting our cornerbacks. Because if you put them in man-to-man, it's going to be... Protecting our corners and we don't know what the hell or other safety you're going to do. I don't. That's Debo, that's what I'm saying.

But that's zone, that's limiting our whole situation because we can, we have to run zones because they're not trying to leave the corners to be exposed and man-to-man press coverages. We have to get more consistent on pressuring the quarterback, getting through the quarterback, and the back-end, our back-end, we have to be tighter in coverage. If we don't do that, we're going to get cooked. We have to get cooked every week.

We have to be tighter in coverage because if this thing, if we're playing, we're not. calling a lot of man. When we're man to man, get your man, and then we'll be good. But when we're playing these zones, you got to know where the hell you're dropping. Like all of these, we're leaving these dudes in the flat, wide open, and they catch it and run up 13 yards because your corner has deep third. You're punching hook player.

Hook, get out. Good out. Why are you stopping? You keep watching. You keep doing the same thing over and over again. It's like, we're not, we're in zone. You got to understand where your landmarks are in the zone. Get to it.

These things keep happening. Get to it and relate to who is in. We're late. You getting the digs coming behind you. You see something short, just back up because you know something's coming out. You know, it's cheese. We're going to see. Don't bite the cheese.

We need to see checkdowns every time when you come up and you make the tackle for four instead of the dig behind your head for 12 every time. So it's like corners, safeties, linebackers, the communication, the knowing your drops. Like we say, this is basic stuff that we're talking about. We're not saying the exit. If you're lying up on somebody and they're just dog walking you. You got man to man and he's just rotting your ass up.

Okay, then you, that's a skill thing. If you're not dropping to your zone drop, that's a fucking mental thing. It's like, dude, what are we doing? Get him out of here. He's not good enough. Like, dude, what do you keep messing up? When in your life have you ever seen TJ grab the headsets to talk to the D.C.? And I was like, what's going on?

Help me. Yeah. Yeah. And you, Cam, TJ, and that's the quasi part. That's the wild part. You're not saying nothing that they don't expect from that. They know that's terrible. Everything that they're putting out, all these explosive runs.

Cam on the sideline screaming. TJ on the sideline screaming. Because they know what they're doing. This is not right. Y'all are in wrong positions. Y'all are not executing. You all are professionals. You're all of the highest paid people

because you do it at such a high level. This just doesn't look. You're not even in the right positions. We got to do something with this line up, bro. Like, I don't know what's good. Something got to be done. I don't, something got to be. We got to do something.

I don't know what the hell it is. I don't even know we got the people on the team to do it. I don't know more, bro, bro. I'm with you, too, because When you have basic things where you can't have both your safeties go to separate sides of half the field. We don't know what half. What is that? That's what I'm trying to tell you.

It's only two of them. I seen both, they're standing right next to each other on the half of the, I'm like this. Oh, my goodness. This looks crazy. Because when I first looked at it, I thought Everett. I'm like, you need to be covered three. You might have got the wrong call. It must be one high safety.

And you just rolled up. And you rolled up and messed up. I look back. And both of the safeties are going the other way. I said, oh, no, you just need to go this way. And then he's going to be over the top. On both sides, we'd be good. Both of them took off the other side.

I said, oh, my goodness, that's not you, two, three. But definitely you got to sink if nothing's there. But you need to have a legitimate safety. That's go pit that. That's regular. That's nothing. I can't, like, your coach, like, all right, we got covered two kids. And I got both my safeties go to one side.

I'm like, oh, no, we can't do. How do we start? How do we start worrying about the other little stuff? stuff and we can't go to cover two. I don't even know what to say no more, bro. I don't even know what to say no more, bro. I'm so, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, dip, dip, yep, yep, that's all.

Listen, listen, it be like that sometimes when you're at a loss for words when you just don't know what to say. I'm not trying to want to stress my dog out, but then on, on, on a serious, on we let, we let, we let, we let, we let, we let, we let, we let, we let, we let, we let, we let, we let, out here and do this, bro. Hey, it wasn't even, it was, it was, it was, it was the, it was a little bit of everything, man. It was a little bit of that running, that burning, that burning, too, Debo, like, we was, we was, we were, we were talking that field. You're talking that field.

Y'all ran the ball. This is true. Explosive plays is what got you. Yes. The bus. 100%. Boom. Not tackling is what's killed.

Tackling. Well, we can, yeah. And I'm going to call that tackling and I'm going to call that making a miss. That's a little bit of both. Making a miss, bro. We got dude falling off. It's falling off the bone like it just got smoke for 12 hours, 15 hours. That shit just, you pick it up and fall off the bone.

Falling off, Braves rib. That boy's falling off, okay. Yeah. The Browns, though, bro, we was out there. Defense, did you, but that's what I'm saying. We were playing a lot of man to man. A lot of man, Debo. And some of those sacks too, Aaron Rock, no, a lot of, some of those sacks, those sacks,

Duse wasn't getting open. They was in man to man. Right. He had some time. He was standing back there for a little minute a couple of times and then we'll get sacked up. We got to get open. We got a, man, we're lucky we get one play a game where it was a coverage, a sack. Yes.

Stop. No, no, for sure. Because we're sitting in zones. They're going to find a hole. If you're in man to man, there ain't no holes. We got a body on the body. Now what you're going to do, you got to find tight windows. You got to put the ball in tight space.

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