Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers Fans Split on Mike McCarthy Hire? + LeBron Back to Cleveland?

Episode Date: July 10, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden react to The Athletic's Pittsburgh Steeler fan survey,  Aaron Donald releasing footage working out with NFL players, Tom Brady putting an end to the Brady vs. Belichick debate, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Intro03:32 - LeBron back to Cleveland?09:09 - Steelers fan survey39:44 - Aaron Donald coming out of retirement? (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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How you doing today, Joe? Brother Debo, I am doing great. We had our music going. you got the crazy Steelers hat. You're coming on last minute with it. You waiting until we got two minutes and then you pop off with the crazy hat. So I'm feeling good.

I'm back in studio. I'm home. Everything is feeling. Everything's feeling great. This Friday is feeling good. Yeah, it's feeling real good, baby. I can't love you. You know what I'm saying?

I told you my hat game is impeccable. Your hat game is strong. Yes. Super strong. Super strong. You know what I'm still coming with new? You know I'm coming with new. Matter of fact,

As a fact, why you got some new heat on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. New heat on. I want to, I want to peep game on what the streets talking about over here, about what the street's talking about. LeBron and Brownie, listen, listen. Someone who reached out to me in the past and was right about LeBron breaking his hand before anybody else had it out there.

In the 2018 NBA finals. Before anybody else had it, hit me with it. And he was right. Reached out to me yesterday. And late last night and said, I got, I got a little word on the street for you, Brian and Bronny back to Cleveland. And was he more confident in the breaking of the hand or is he more confident? Exactly the same.

And the one thing's for sure. The business never really knows where LeBron is moving. The streets do. Yeah. It's too. Hey, hey, Joe, what the streets talking about? That's supposed to be your land. The land's supposed to be your land, Joe.

Is your ear to the streets? What's going on? Listen, I ain't been in the streets as much lately, Devo. I've been, you know what I'm saying? I've been trailed. You've been that man's closet stealing all this shit, though. I've been in the streets of Virginia. You know what I'm saying?

So I ain't been in the streets as much in the land. I haven't been my areas into the streets as much. I've been out of the way. I haven't been in the loop as much. But all I'm saying is, if he, that, I know one thing. I know my good man. He'd be in the streets. He's in Cleveland.

Okay. And if they're talking about him coming back to the land with Bronny, I'm listening. The two things I was saying is Bronn can do whatever Brown wants to do. But I'm interested in Bronn going back to the land or Bronn going back to the heat. It makes the most sense. It makes the most sense. So him going back to the land, they have all of their team is already made it to, they show that they have potential to already make it there.

We weren't big enough for New York, but Braun, additional to any team is going to add and not subtract. So if he can go back to the team, going back to the land, wanting to do the Fons Swan song, bring Brony back, being able to play not only with his son in LA, that was cool, that was fire. That was unbelievable. Then bringing him back to the crib where he's from, from the streets, where LeBron, when he was watching his son, where he was watching his dad play, he was holding him as a child back in the day. Yes, sir. Watch his dad play out there, Duncan. It's the baby. He couldn't even hold the ball all the way.

You know what I'm saying? So I'm here for it for LeBron to come back, not only just because it's not like there's a chance there. There's still a chance for the calves to win a ship with Bron going there. So it's not like he's just going, just, oh, we're going to be asked. No, no, no. We're still nice. Bron, you're additional. And you're being able to get a little older.

You can be able to handle the ball. You saw with him at Luca. he's been able to get into the role of night. All right, bet. I'm going to go ahead, back down, chill a little bit. When y'all need me, I'm here. I'm still brawn. I still give you 20 and 10 when I wake up in the morning.

If you need me to go get you 30 and 12, you know what I'm saying? I can still do it. So I would love it. I would love it. I'm here for it. I got one more. I got one more. I got one more.

What? One more question. What? Who you're sitting down? James. James Hardin. James Hardin. Okay.

All right. I ain't got nothing to say. I got nothing. You know what I'm saying? Right there. John, right. Brom, boom.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Let's go. Then at the same time, if he could, so then if Ron, the other option, though, is for the, is the heat. I think those are the top two options for Bronn. Key Cleave or the heat. Yes.

Why? Why not? That's a mob with Janus out there with, what's my man? Bam. I forgot. I forgot about Janus. I forgot about that. Janice? Damn.

Okay. They have mob over there. Okay. They got squad. And they still got Pat Riley over there running stuff so they can know. He knows what parts they would need to get. You know what I'm saying? They got a Mitchell.

Young Mitchell is over there too at the point. Their squad is five. And Bobby Porter's. So, I mean, Miami Heat is looking good. Cavs. I think Cavs got a better chance. The Caves got a better chance. The Caves got a better.

Which one? Which one? Which one are you taking? Taking out of my fandom? No. Which one you're taking? The heat or the calves? If the Brown went to the heat, I think it would be a problem for the league, for sure.

If he goes to the calves, I think it's not, it's not a much of, we can still, we're still going to be championship contenders. We can still win the ship with the calves. But I think if it's the heat, it's more, it's an easier path. That's why you came with the heat jersey on, huh? No, no, I came with the heat jersey on, because this is the new. Shaquille O'Neal Jones that I got. I'm just saying, you got on the chat. I'm trying to keep my jersey game up

the way you're keeping your hat game up. So that's the reason, you know. Okay. You know. I'm just saying, Joe, I was feeling some sort of maybe subliminal, hey, you know. No. That's all I was saying.

No, no, no. Okay. I mean, look, it's... I could be wrong. I could be wrong, Joe. I could be wrong. I want him to go to the cast first if the streets is talking and the people that are knowing as Bronn,

know what's going on. with Bron, please. Bring it. Come on. Come on. Come on, Bron. Yeah. Back on to the land. Back on to the land. Back to the land. Bring on. Brony. Hey, bring him on. Hey, hey, bring him on home. Bring him on home, man. Closing on out of the crib. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Closing on out of the crib, man. Go on here.

It ain't nothing wrong. Sign me up. Yes. The athletics, they did a, they did a stiller survey, I guess. And some of the, some of the questions on here, I guess the first one here is, you know, if people agreed with the move of hiring Mike McCarthy. And it ain't that many people in the thing. It's like 1,800. You still get a sample size, I guess. Joe, do you agree or disagree with this?

For the most part, it looks like people were kind of split, I would say. 30-something that agreed or agreed strongly a total of 30-something. It was 30-something neutral and then another 30 that disagreed. It was 8% that strongly disagreed. 5.4% that strongly agreed. Where were you at with this? I can understand what the neutral people are because it wasn't like everybody was expecting it to happen.

So neutral, I can understand because you don't know. what you don't know. Neutral means, you know what I'm saying? All right. Like, I'm not all for it, but I'm not against it. Agreeing, we have you, everybody's not going to always agree with something. So when I'm seeing a lot more neutral, I'm seeing some more agree and a little bit of strongly agree.

I'm feeling like the vibe is okay. You're not going to have majority of everybody picking. You know what I'm saying? Everybody's not going to do. So I can understand what people are coming from. So the proof is in the pudding. Now, once we get the coach, I can see why they're seeing it. So now we just got to see what he does from this.

Yeah, the hiring. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm just, you know, well. Because remember, Debo, at the beginning, you, Debo, if I would ask you, if I would ask you at the very beginning, you went from a damn strongly disagree to, you know what I'm saying?

I was like, okay. Boom, like. It won me over, you know, won me over, you know, my initial thoughts was out there, you know, after that, the press conference, after I had, well, even after the press conference, I had to sit down and talk to myself,

you know, okay, yeah, you know what, this really means something to him. You know what I'm saying? You want me over? All right. So let's go ahead and see where is that. With the other candidates that they had, distillers, same, you know, the survey when they were asking which candidate distillers would,

they would have wanted distillers to hire. It was like tight, dude. You got, you got Shula at 24 to Mike McCarthy at 22, 4. You got Shill House. He's at 21 and then Flores, 19. So when it came down to it, dog, they all were close. I don't think anybody was going to be happy because how close they were. You know, saying it wasn't going to be an overall sense of like,

yo, yeah, we, you know, we did good. Yep. So, you know, and that was the same thing for me. Once the shock, you know, and all that other stuff wore off. And I basically stopped letting the media, you know, give me my information. I went on and sat down, you know, got into it, looked at it, you know. And they're talking about it's the same coach, you know, the Steelers aren't hired the same coach they got rid of.

And, you know, it's just going to be more of the same moving forward. And I'm like, you know what? Let me check this out. Let me do my research. You look at the numbers, they're similar. I ain't a lot. They're similar numbers. But when it comes down to it, numbers is all that matter, right?

Yeah. No, not really. Numbers ain't all that matter. But if you got good numbers, if you got good numbers, they matter more. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, it matter more. So it's a yes and a no. It's just because numbers don't lie. Like, that is what it is.

But it's a no because it don't tell the full story. You know, it don't go into what we've been talking about. Coaching, scheme, game plan, you know. And ultimately, if that better version or worse version of coaching and scheme, knowledge, understanding can add more wins or losses. And when you look at the hire of Mike McCarthy, the first thing I see is experience. The second thing I see, he's a good coach.

Yeah. And the third thing is he is hiring better coaches from coordinators to position coaches, okay? But again, let me go back to why I originally was, you know, against it because I kind of was against it because when you look at how the Steelers did it, in the past, they hired BC, young coach, They hired Coach T, young coach.

And, you know, I'm sitting there like, okay, you know, they go hire a young coach. Maybe they give Will Howard a chance to see, you know, if you could run it out, see, you know, see what happens. Because, you know, it ain't really nobody out there that was available, you know, to actually grab that we could say was going to be a true franchise quarterback right now, you know, just going forward. And I was like, you know what, we go rebuild. And I was ready for, you know, a couple down years. And maybe we'd be able to either build it up or possibly get the guy that we're looking for in the draft, preferably in the draft because, you know, that's a lot cheaper. Yeah.

But we go and we get Aaron Rogers. Okay. And like right here, agree or disagree, bringing back Aaron Rogers for the second season was the right move. And we have a strong disagree at 8.8 and agree. at 30, sorry, a strong degree at 8.8, agree at 30. So basically you got almost 40% that are agreeing. You got close to 19% neutral. Then you got another almost, what is that, 41, 43%, something like that, that, you know, disagree with it.

19.5, what, 19.7, they strongly disagree with it. And, like, not all of it. of them, I should say, well, it ain't that mean. I won't even say that. Let's just go to how they felt he did as they reflected about, like, which statement best reflects your feelings about Aaron Rogers at the distillers. So when you look at this, it's like, it's kind of good. I think it's kind of good because it's an approval rate. And they're saying basically that he met expectations, okay and when you look at the thing you got almost what is it 80 something percent that looks like right there that actually said he he met expectations so you're looking at 81.6 percent that actually said he

he met expectations not saying that they wanted to sign him again okay understand that he met the expectation so personally i think that without aaron rogers we don't get to 500 last year okay And the thing when you go to the next survey is what worried, you know, people the most about, you know, the hiring of Mike McCarthy was the, you know, the quarterback option moving forward. And most people believe that he was hired to get Aaron, you know, not true, maybe, I don't know, maybe part of it. But the big reason, the major reason, I believe he was hired. was like, or what they are, I should say, most excited about for him is his quarterback experience. So his experience.

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Now, you go to the working with the quarterback. Then we talk about, what was the name? Rich Gannon. Rich Gannon just last week. He credited Mike McCarthy with basically his development, his career, and just talking about much he, you know, he thought how much better he thought he could have been if he hadn't met him, you know, if he hadn't met him sooner. And it wasn't year seven, okay?

And like what we do have when we hired Mike McCarthy or do have or had whatever, however you want to say it was, we had a young quarterback. Okay. And Mike came in and the first thing he said was if he was there, young Will Howard would not have been drafted as late as he was. So now we have a coach that can. can develop and is known for developing quarterbacks. That's the number two thing. That excites them is his offensive reputation. 35.7% of the people were excited about his offensive reputation.

And he said, hey, I'm calling the pledge. So if it don't work, it's on me. I like that. But he still went and hired Brian Ancelito as the OC, a dude who is highly respected. They believe his knowledge is up there. They believe that he's well at, he's good at teaching, developing, you know, and now he gets this opportunity to actually, Ryan, to actually learn under Mike.

And at the same time, he gets to give Mike a different insight into different scenarios. So Mike, in turn, can actually learn something from Brian. Because McCarthy actually puts value into his opinion, and he understands that he is not always right all the time. And sometimes you can, you can teach your old dog new tricks if he's open to listen. If he's open to learn. Exactly. Because ultimately, the goal or the greater good is to have the best performing offense that we can have, period. All the stuff that, you know, we talk.

about now with having better coaches and, you know, better, better, better communication, you know, all that and developing, being able to develop young players, old players, even giving them, you know, just from having better coaches around you, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And when you had that, you know, I think that's the major reason why I think we are having such or we had such a drought or having, yeah, I can say that, such a drought in the playoffs. And we, you know, we ain't won a game since, you know, our last, what, 2016, when we went to the AOC championship game and ended up losing to New England.

So, you know, and again, right here, the Steelers haven't won a playoff game since January of 2017. And then they ask, what has been the biggest thing holding them back? They say quarterback play, coaching. Which one you think, John? I would say, I thought when it was 2017, when I was looking at it, I thought sometimes it was coaching. It was defense. When we lost to the, when we lost to Jacksonville in that year, I felt like the offense did extraordinarily well.

Our offense, when we had Levion Bell, when we had Ben, when we had Antonio Brown, we had, what was my other two receiver. We had juju was there. And the Marta, Brian also, our offense was putting up. crazy numbers. Shazir ended up getting hurt. So I think when I first got to the Steelers, that 2017 season, that was the most talented team I played with.

So I think they, when we play Jacksonville, we had turnovers on offense, but we still score 43 points. So I think defense could get in there too. I think coaching. I think we could say, we could say quarterback play, but I think it was a, you got, you got, they gave them four options. They said quarterback play, coaching, ownership, management, or other. So they didn't even put defense in there as an option.

because I would have thought, I mean, I think if quarterback play, coaching, and I would put defense in there as, as a. Okay, so what would you put on the defense? Is that on the player or is that on the coaching ability? It's a little bit of everything, a little bit of everything. Okay. A little bit of everything. I think there's, so if you had the point at one major thing,

what would be your number one? It's a little, it's all, I'm telling you, like the way that they, the way that they broke it now, quarterback play coaching. If they put defense in there also, then I think it would be the 33%, 33%, 33%, 33%. Okay.

So me, I'm not go, I'm not going to sugarcoat it. I believe it to be coaching. Okay. And we are going to get a great chance to see in real time this season that's true or not. Yeah.

Because we are running it back basically with the same team, all right? Would you say that it's the same team? Like, they don't, you know, they got, they got, they got, They got the quarterback back. Yes, they got the quarterback back. I think it was a little bit better team with another, a corner, a better, a better secondary, a little back, better secondary, and a better receiving core.

Okay. And like I said, we get an opportunity to run the back right here. Yes. Right. Now, I say it's coaching because when I look at it. So here's the crazy thing. As much as Mike Tomlin. was a catalyst for the Pittsburgh Steelers when he got here.

You know, you remember when he first got here, the first thing he did, dude, he cut Joey Porter. He cut, he cut, he cut, he cut, he cut, he cut Joey Porter, senior, okay? And I know for a fact, if BC was here, because that was BC guy, and BC was still here in head coach, Peezy would have got resigned. They let Pizzi go.

They actually released him with a still a year left on his, contract. Okay. Okay. Do you think that was a report at the time? Hell, for me, hey, for me, I thought it was, you know what I'm saying? Okay, no, no, for sure. From the outside and everybody else, they're like, yo, we just cut your reporter. Who is this? Who is this cat right here? Okay. And then immediately to, it, 2009, we went back to the Super Bowl, won a Super Bowl. So you're talking about three years from winning our previous Super Bowl with Coach Cower, we come back with Coach Tomlin and we win a Super Bowl, okay? He brought in new energy, motivation, okay?

That's what I was about to say. Go ahead. From 2000, I'd say 15, he has been the greatest hindrance to our progress because of his one, inability to, I would say build and sustain a successful coaching staff. And his power, dude, that he acquired, accumulated, you know, with his ability to be able to take over the drafting process, which led to only two of, what was it, two of 15 first and second round draft choices that actually.

actually had a long-term contract extension given to him, okay? That's supposed to be your franchise, eight, 10-year players. Like, and you're missing on the easiest picks, you know, in the rounds of the draft. One and two, that should be automatic, right? Yeah. Okay. Now, everybody want to blame Omar Khan because he's the GM. All right.

Let's look at this right here. Omar, dude, he wasn't the GM until two. 2002. By that point in time, Coach T had absolute power over that. So the NFL PA report card here where, you know, they gave Omar a cell of us, I'm not with that. I'm not with that. But the, you know, everybody else, they, they gave him a decent grade. You know, everything from a, from a B 60-something percent, I would, I would say it would have to be at least a B. Where would you, how would you grade him? Where would you say as far as this?

Omar, I had Omar around the B. You had Omar around a B. Y, B. Y, B. I got him at A. Okay. And I put him at A since 2022? Nope. I put him at A since today, since he. I'm giving him an A based on this year because previous years don't hold much weight

because he really had no power in the process. Like anybody that has any knowledge of that knows that. But this year on, I know what the process is. I know what the process was when Bill Cowher came in and I know where it stayed until he left. And I also know what it turned into around that 2015 when you had, you know, a coach that had power basically to draft on feelings and beliefs, you know, more than it was, you know, actually

what you see on the tape. Kevin Colbert, was Kevin Colbert? Kevin Cobre was there too, yes. So Kevin, all of a sudden started not being able to draft? That's what, that's the thing. I don't know the answers to these questions because when you raised ranking who was the GM and you're thinking Kevin Cobur was the GM? Kevin Cobur was the GM.

That's what I'm saying. But you're saying when did you don't know. the ranks of when who's making the draft decisions, when the GM's making it, and then the head coach is getting the more power. It was a switching transition of power, yes. That's what I'm saying. So when I'm ranking or when the general public,

like myself are ranking, I'm going to only rank like I didn't know when Coach Tomlin started taking over the GM power. If it's just him and Kevin Colbert in a joint, you know what I'm saying, talking about what? When it first came in, it was like what it is now. It was a collective. Okay.

So you have your scouts. Okay. So that's something else too. Dude, you got to have a great scouting department because you're not able to go out there and look at everybody. So they got to be able to find those guys that they can see like, oh, man, this dude is good. Let me get them in front of somebody. Okay. Debo, let me say this too.

Let me get in. Because this is the thing. When you were saying this stuff about obviously now with the coaching for sure, when we're saying now when Mike McCarthy is coming in, I think when I got to Pittsburgh, it was years and years into Coast Tomlin being there. And the one thing that I could see where you needed a new voice from when it's kind of like the accountability of just everything needs to be tight. There was just a looseness, you know what I'm saying, that was just going around. And that looseness is a reason where errors come in, where, you know what I'm saying? Like, there just has to be, sometimes there was accountability being held.

And if star players were doing certain, you just got to. But and things were just being like meetings like just look like late stuff and just like airports. I tolerate you till I can replace you. That is a bad thing. That's a bad thing when there's no need for when you're going to a place where nobody's getting that same treatment because everybody's moving the way they should move. Like pros are going to be pros. You got your vet's that you know what I'm saying. They may have a look.

But when the vet leeway is getting to a point where it turns almost blatant disrespect, like disrespect to where you're talking to where you're team is seeing stuff. We're like, oh, like, we can't be moving like this as a team. You know what I'm saying? That aside. So when you get a new coach in there, no, boom, he's not rocking. You set that standard from, it doesn't matter from the T.J. Watts to the, to the, to the Ben Rothersburgers, to the anybody on the team where there's no leeway for nobody. We're coming in here. Everybody's going to be on, this is the standard is the standard. Execution. The eye in the sky, don't lie. We're treating the very top player. The reason why you got like that is because you do everything right the entire time you ball out your you just you grow that

you grow that string because of all of that stuff all that good work you put in that bag that's just what you do you're a pro's pro they don't have to worry about you no more you know what I'm saying it got to the point where now it just was a little too flowy and I'm like that's where we have the squad we have the team but the flowiness of everybody not on their piece and cues so that's I'm like now with Mike McCarthy, us having vets, us, him coming in now with the, his coaching style, him, I'm calling the offense, the timing, everything's going to have to be on time,

us not knowing the snap counts, you know what I'm saying, the defensive coaches holding everybody to a standard. So the film and speaking the same languages, that stuff wasn't when I was like, it was flowing. And I'm like, we got ballers here. So it works until it doesn't, until stuff is blown,

until we were like the communication is lacked because it's not like they don't know it the way that they should. You know what I'm saying? They're in because we're now with, man, we're miss man. Now me and you are having a conversation where I'm like, dude, you're just giving me lock. It's not lock. You know what I'm saying? We should be able to do in and out super flowy.

That's just the way it is because it's easy for me, easy for you. You're calling a lot because you don't know the situation. You shouldn't be in the game. He's afraid. We're afraid. Now you're just going, I'm like, no, no, no, no. Now you're making me look nuts. You know what I'm saying?

We should be able to easily flow. this and now we're running into each other because you're a flayed to call this, you know what I'm saying, this combination. So when you have new coaches holding every single person to the same language and everybody's talking to a boom, this is what it is. Your stars are on time and running these stuffs and doing things because you can't. You're getting, that's not what you do. That's not how you have everybody get the complete buy-in. So you, when I'm here with that, when I'm like, Coach T was the one thing that I would say It was just a little, a little that, a little, you know what I'm saying?

So I'm like, when McCarthy comes in, now it's just we have to be on point. Everybody is just a new wave because the players, the talent was there. So when you say, I think coaching, right, is. So Joe, here, I'm going to let you, I'm going to take you off the hook. When you say Flowy, I'm going to do your interpretation of what I believe you mean by Flory. I think when you say Floyd, it's too many different things that are allowed by one. player and not another player. And when I'll give you an example, when I got to Pittsburgh, we stayed in dorms.

Before I got there, them dorms, they ain't had AC before I got there. Jerome Bettis was a Hall of Famer stayed in the dorms. Yeah. Okay. You had, you had everybody that stayed in those dorms. How many guys did y'all have when y'all were standing in apartments and renting Airbnb's when you got there? See, but no, that's the thing.

Exactly. It shouldn't even be allowed because it's a standard that should be. but that standard was I tolerate you till I can replace you. That's not a standard that you need that you can have, especially when you're letting players do things so far in the extremes of others.

Now, at what point do they feel like, oh, I'd have made it to that point to where I could do it. Now you got guys, you know it. Come on. They're gone. I ain't even at the hotel for room check or nothing.

They're gone. They didn't have went home. Huh? Because you allowed a certain thing and when you don't keep everybody, dude, When I went over there to New England, man, I seen Tom Brady running to the meeting. I said, oh, I must be late.

Let me get up. No. If you five minutes, if you five minutes early, you, you want time. You know what I'm saying? That's not a lot of them. For sure. Because he could close two minutes before the meeting and his meeting started. Yes.

Dude. And that's just how they ran everything. Now, don't get me wrong. I got privileges that a younger guy wouldn't get. Like, I got to, they made sure that, you know, I had, um, space or hotel room to bring in people that did my treatment. But they didn't allow me to do those things outside of different times that weren't based into the curfew of what was going on.

Yes. You know what I'm saying? But they made sure I had access to the people that I was used to being able to have access to. And when you say, Floyd, that's what you're talking about or that's what I'm saying you're talking about. Yeah, you are saying what I'm saying. Yeah.

So, I mean, it's not. it's not conducive to, you know, to having a team that is just A is A, B, is B, B, and this is what it is and we're going to, you know, we're going to flow with that. And it don't matter if you're a Hall of Famer or if you're a rookie. This is the same thing. Now, where the treatment should change is, you in year 10. You ain't never been late. You walk in that thing late and you like, coach, da-da-da-da-da-da.

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No, he got to get on your net. Got to. It's 10 years in the bank. It's 10 years in the bank. So. But I believe in there's definitely supposed, you're not all getting treated the same. I'm not saying that in any way.

I understand. But the basic, you know what you said, the standard of the standard is slowly. The standard is not the standard. It's flowing. No, yeah. The standard is the standard.

It's just wording. That's just, that's just, that's just something that sound good. That's just a friend. I didn't stamp something. The standard is the standard. No. The standard you just said is flowy. Does that sound like the standard is the standard?

No, that's what I'm just got to just nail down. Right. Right. And to be honest with you, I could have been one of those guys that was doing that. Yes, you were flowing as hell. I didn't. I didn't. I stayed in the hotel all night.

I never checked out my room, dude. I got that. That was my time to get away. At the end. At the end. Okay. Oh, at the end when I wanted to get out. Yeah, when you was ready to get out, that was the, that was, that was, that was, that was,

you was the, that was, that was, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't, I was, I wasn't, I was, I was, I was, and I still there. I still never showed up late, Joe. No, you didn't show up late, you didn't. I still never left early, Joe. No, you didn't, you didn't, you didn't. I was still the first motherfucker in the building. You was in there. What is you talking about?

You was in there. You was in there. You was in there. You was, you was in there. I'm at practice taking all the reps and don't get a uniform put in my locker. Kiss my, you know what. Yes, yes. Stop playing. Stop playing with me. Show up to the game.

My locker empty. You just said, stop playing with me, bro. No. You didn't give you that until then. What you say, bro? I said you had to put you, when you got flowy after they left your jersey. They ain't, bang, put your jersey.

No question. You can't sit in me there, have me practicing, like all week. and then a no. Like, it's a difference between, hey, man, we think we go sit you down, okay. It's a difference between, I'm called no show.

I show up in there. I got everything going, and that ain't nothing in my locker. I told him right then and there. I said, if I ain't playing, I ain't staying. I walked out and went home. That was the crash out. I was doing everything I could

from that point forward. You understand? Yeah. Man. How to do it. Quarterback. Would you keep on this 53 man roster? Which quarterbacks would you keep?

Would you keep all four? Would it be a combination of the three? Or would you keep all four? What's your combination would be, Joe? They have Aaron Rogers, Will Howard, Drew Howard, Drew Howard, Drew Auler at 57.9%. They say all 4.19%. They're crazy. That's not happening.

No. The top row. The top row. Yeah. It's how, bro. Lowe, Mason, he's on, we know what my man's Max is with the Steelers. And you've got two drafted guys that you drafted, haven't really had a chance to do anything. You've got to give them their chance to shine and see what you got out of your draft picks.

If you don't like, if one of them are just really that bad in training camp, then you're really ready to pull the trigger on like, man, we've really messed up on this pick. But I think you have Aaron Rogers. Will Howard is there. You drafted them for a reason. So I don't know if they could show. they probably could. If they just are bust, yes, but I don't think they are.

I think we'd be able to at least have him get a shot, get a chance, let Drew sit behind Aaron and be able to see, learn for this rookie year, and then had them two dudes going in the camp next year seeing what's going on. And depending, we might be bringing another guy that they may be seeing the draft. It's not like those two dudes would be everything that we have going on. But moving forward, they're young, we drafted them. They haven't had their chance yet. I would go with the top.

I'm with you on that. That was an easy choice. And they asked them, who is the Steelers' next franchise quarterback? The options they gave them is a 2027 first round pick, Drew, Owler, Will Howard, or other. 52.3% said a 2027 first round pick. What do you think?

You know, I would not be mad at what they're saying. Obviously, we don't know what Drew or Will have done yet. Yeah, I can't say yet until I see you can't say. You can't say we like who's going to be the first round? What, depending on like if these young dudes that are playing in the college football season, the year has to happen. We have Drew,

we have Will, we know it's not going to be A Rod, so I don't know. I can't, this one's just you know how I'm saying something when I don't have anything in the bank for Drew or Will to be like, I like them. I've seen them show me something. You know what I'm saying? It gives it a chance.

Right now, 2027 first round pick is looking like the best option because I don't know what these guys have. Yeah, I'll go with you on that when I agree with you on that. But we need to check out what's going on, man. It's a clip going viral, Aaron Donald working out with Steelers as Safety, Juan Bristker. Look at this, Joe. The handwork, Joe. See the handwork, Joe.

Yes. See the handwork, Joe. Teaching that man the handwork, bro. Out of control, man. Got the beam. Turn the head button. Turn the head button. Head and press off.

Buddy and press off that thing. Yeah. Hey. Now I'm past you. Pass you. Get your hands off. Get your filthy hands off me. Get your paws off me.

Get your paws off me. You just straight. Do it with your eye pose. Muscle memory. For sure. Like riding a bike. Like riding a bike. Joe, I still ain't

forgot how to ride a bike, Joe. Come on, that's what I'm saying. You ain't forgot how to do these movies. I still ain't, I still ain't, I still ain't forgot how to ride a bike, Joe. Joe. Yes. Listen, how important

this past restability for, ah, secondary safety guy. Listen, I'm going to say this, though. I'm going to say this. Hey, Joe, I, this. What's, what? DeQuan, Brisker. Listen, bro.

Brough. Um, I don't know. if like you're talking about doing this move on a running back or a tight end. I'm going to tell you this. AD is a lineman. He's talking about doing that on linemen. So AD can do linemen shit on linemen.

Brough, if you go in there trying to do their moves right there on one of them linemen, they go toss you out the club. They'll toss you out to, Joe? Tell me, tell me, Joe. Don't, we don't, we don't want the linemen's hands on us.

Foot faker at all. Don't want them to put our hands on us. This is more with the tight end. We're working. We're working. We're working. A jab. You know what I'm saying. Get to a spot. I think that is, if soon, that's, that's what Aaron Donald's telling them. Soon they think about putting it. Get your hands off me. You know what I'm saying? You can't let them grab a hold of you.

So he's just, I think he's showing them the quick moves of getting in there. And if he is going to get the tight end or running back. You know what I'm saying? Now you can button pressing and get them above you. But don't butt. the offensive tackle because then he got you. Then you're going to put them pause on going to outside. He'll be down. There's nowhere for you to go.

You're going to be trying to rip and you're going to be hemmed up. So use it on tight ends quickly, running backs, but alignment, but avoid them at all costs. Don't let them get their hands on you. Don't not because it gets ugly fast. Next thing you know, you're going side. You're trying to still move your feet and they're not letting you going sideways. You should get ugly. And then they falling on top of you trying to do all the most.

Limeon. Yes. And the dirty linemen. Soon they don't, they just grab me. I'm like, soon I'm like, oh, my God, here we go. That's what I'm trying to just catch him. I got to catch him running side. Oh, geez.

Got me. Oh, he got me. I'm born on the ride. I might just go dead legs. Hey, let my feet go. Boop and roll. That's when they do the splash on you, though, Joe. Oh, that's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. That's why I got a cover. He's trying to literally land on my side, shoulders. Oh, smashed on the ground. Yes, Dibot. Not a good feeling. Listen, man, I'm just glad that- Don't let them line again.

Talk about AD coming back, man. You know, you think he'll go come back? I mean, it's on his body, Debo. It's on his body. He looks like he can. I mean, I don't. So after two years of chilling, I mean, it depends on if he comes, if he come back into the season, like my man, like the safety,

Weddo, like Weddo did, end of the season, playoffs. He ain't coming back, bro. Man. He ain't coming back. All right. If he don't come back this year, he's definitely not coming back ever. It was two years. It's been two years, right?

This would be the second year. This would be the second year. So we only took one year off. That was a year for the coming. Joe, I took off three weeks. And I was like, yo, I was almost 42. I was 39. But I was like, yo, this, um, y'all lucky I signed that contract, bro.

And my daddy told me I had to finish what I started. Otherwise, after A, after that first practice, Joe, and I thought of it. I can't. You already know. Once I was gone, I was definitely gone. And Aaron Donald said he retired because he had accomplished everything he wanted to and no longer had a desire to continue the year round training resume. He accomplished everything he wanted to. I don't care about the year round training resume. He accomplished everything he wanted to. So him coming back now with a stat team, do you think that would be a greater accomplishment? than what he had already did. No.

That's why he's not coming back. He's already first ballot. It's already done. Is he free? Yeah. Whatever Aaron Donald want to do, I'm not going to be one and tell him not to come back.

AD ain't coming back, man. He said, he said, he said, you know, accomplish everything. What you want me to do? Come back for what?

For what? You don't have to. You don't have to. You don't have to. He's chilling. AD up. I'm up out of here. That man,

businesses and all that going on, man. He is good. AD is good. AD is up. Joseph, somebody hating. Uh-oh, who ate? We got an anonymous AFC exec is calling out overpriced

NFL receivers. Joe, he says, I think the wide receiver price has gotten so crazy that teams are warming up to the fact that they can get a super talented back with past catching ability,

instead paying 17 or 18 million a year for a guy that doesn't sound so bad anymore. He said the top average annual value at the position, Seattle's SNJ, is 42.1 million. It is more than double the top running back, which is Philly's Seek-Quan-Barkley at 20.6. Joe, you think the bag's getting too big for these receivers, Joe? Nope. Never. No, no, never. Bags never too big.

Bags never too big. You hate it. Bags never too big. The bag can never get too big. I want to know who this is. It's time for them to go out there and get it. Like, quarterbacks, end of the day, they know the money's going to continue to go it up and with the salary cap, it's only, they can only give, it only makes sense for a reason.

So, with the percentage. of how much it takes up now versus back in the day, it is what it is. And I'm never going to take down anybody getting bread. Quarterbacks, you're going to tell me at the end of the day, too, bump down the quarterbacks then. Highest paid quarterbacks making $60 million a year. And you're going to tell me now these just $30 million a year like it's nothing. And they just, now you're talking about. Kill the cap.

He's making, kill the cap. Like, kill the cat. Like, you can't give them what they're worth and the guys that aren't what they're worth, then it's going to be what it is. But like, end of the day, I can't never say that 42 is what it is because that's the going market for the next man up. Like Jamar Chase did the 40. Now, Jack Smith and Jigba did the numbers. Great dude.

This is the right way. Not a problem. Right on time. Falling. It's his time up. He's up. So he's going to be the next man to go do what he has to do because they're planning on. He's done the numbers.

He's beat his rookie contract. He's out here setting the new levels of receptions and yards. So that's what. it is and the market is now it's going to have to pay what it's worth so that's why when you see patching my homes now signing for damn near a billion dollars he can sign that because they know patching my homes that's not it's going to go up quarterback making 65 now next time it's going to be 70 then next year when it when it starts going up these dudes like how just Trevor Lawrence is 50 million dollars a year it's not a thing dan uh daniel jones you know what I'm saying these quarterbacks are

making 35 to 65 million dollars. a year and they want to say once you get to that the hot once you get to the highest at the highest the dudes that are set in the market that's what happens now the other guys that are right around those levels and then the jump seems so crazy how i'm going to pay this two 30 because you're paying the top of the market is 65 middle looks crazy at 30 but it is what it is so you're going to have to figure that out in your own way it's not like running backs i'm sorry 20 there is going to be 40 so you're just going to have to figure out these numbers so dudes are getting paid. I'm geeked for them, but it's just like you're going to have to figure it out the

teams. Don't come over here and look at the players. It's because the cap's going up. You guys are making more money. Everybody's making more money. So that's why now everybody's paid keeps going up. You guys are making those. So don't get here looking crazy. Oh, it sounds crazy because back in the day, when we were first out in, the highest paid quarterbacks were making $16 million a year. Highest paid corner, if you can get the double digit, you're making $10 million a year. You was that dog. So now it's like, no. they're making 30 to 32, you know what I'm saying? Joey Porter Jr.

Looking at my contract, I stung. Me, we were looking for Patrick Peterson, me, Richard Sherman. Richard Sherman hit for $15 million a year. So we were like, oh, my gosh, that's the one. Yes. Then Patrick Peterson signed 14 and I got 135. So now I'm like, okay, boom, five years, 68 million, 45 guaranteed. Back in the day, oh, we cranked now, 4,400.

Yes. Who cooled on? Yes. So it's like, no, that's just what it is. Like, it's just the new. market, the new days when you be looking at the deals, it's like, what are we talking about? So we can't knock the dues. Everybody's going to get their bread. It just sounds crazy because it's going up. People are making so much more money. The deals are going up because they can.

The cap is getting higher. So the deal sound more crazy, but it's not. We have 53 players. Like the baseball dudes, they're getting this. Their deals are all guaranteed. My man making 72, Shee Alexei Girls, Adj, Alexandra. years, 278 million, 72 million dollars a year, fully guaranteed, no matter what happens for these next four years. So there's a- Fully guaranteed, Joe. Fully guaranteed, brother. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Every dollar. Every penny. Boom. You just going to have to see what it is. I am happy for everybody that's able to get their bread because it looks crazy because just the market is going up. Like, it's just the 10 million back in the day in 2010 for the highest-paid corner, 16 million back in the day.

2010 for a highest paid quarterback. Now you're looking at 65 for the highest paid quarterback and 30 for the highest paid quarterback. Like, we're looking at it now with like the backup quarterback market. We're looking at that. Like, I mean, they just, do they deserve how we looking at Baker Mayfield? He's trying to go get him a back. He was getting 35 a year

when dudes was getting 55, 60. He's like, I'm, I'm competent. Y'all can give me 50? You know what I'm saying? Like, what are we talking about? And everybody looking like, Baker, we're not going to give you 50. He's like, why not? Look around the market. Look what I've been doing.

I got numbers to prove. Right. That's what it's going to come down to do. If your numbers are, what is it, up and near in that top 10? Mm-hmm. And you're going to the playoffs. You go in there for 20-some touchdown. 20-some touchdowns keeping a single-digit interceptions, 3,500 yards.

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Listen to Sweet 305 with Lele Pons on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everyone, it's the Jonas Brothers. This week on the podcast, hey Jonas, we're hanging out with Michael Boubley. After Kevin's recent, interesting confession about Michael. We figured there's only one thing to do. We must invite Michael Bublay on the podcast, and we want to know what's on his sexy time playlist. You know, I did an interview? And they're like, have you heard about this Jonas Brothers thing?

And they were like, what did you think of it? I was like, well, I mean, it's reciprocal. We talk about Kevin's confession, Michael's reaction, and a whole lot more. Our conversation with Michael Bublay is out now. Listen to Hey, Jonas, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.