Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers Growing Impatient with Aaron Rodgers? + Casey Hampton joins

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden are joined by Super Bowl Champion and Pittsburgh Steelers legend Casey Hampton to break down his career, favorite Steelers stories, the latest NFL news and rumors, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Intro11:34 - Steelers tired of Aaron Rodgers15:27 - Nick Herbig's future27:34 - Casey Hampton joins35:14 - Casey Hampton on Texas career38:30 - Big Snack nickname (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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this thing solo. So please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show. How you doing today? Debo? I'm doing good. I'm doing real good. No, hey. So when I'm going to pop into it real quick is something real easy. That's what I wanted to let y'all know is I am 48. Yesterday was my birthday.

I did turn 48. But what y'all don't know is this when I'm about to show you ain't for old people. It used to be for old people But it's for anybody 18 and up And y'all need to get this Okay, this ain't no advertising I know

But Mike can't go that good You want to go that way Yeah, I'm just holding it for now I can control this, Keith All right Give me this Come out here

Work with them a little bit You know It's on here, turn them on around Hey, that's not what I want to show Turn that off My mic was muted. That's not what I want to show. Turn that off. We can get to that later. That's not what I'm talking about. We had a spin around thing happened right here. So I'm showing them something else. Y'all need to get one of these right here. Can you see that? It ain't for just old people. I'm trying to tell you. It's an AARP card. Now listen, it is cheap too now. It gets your discounts on everything. Okay? Like insurance, car, rentals, everything. Like, it ain't.

It ain't, it ain't just for old people. Everybody need this. I'm trying to tell you. Like, I tell you, I'm, you know, I'm living out of shack. You know, I'm, I got a one bedroom, studio. Everything's set up in one spot. Get all the discounts you can get from this. It ain't just for old people, 18 and older.

I'm just letting y'all know that. So don't say, oh, D,bo, that's for, you know, people, you know, 50 and older, all the other stuff. No, no, it's not. But I just wanted to let y'all know before we get you. get to what they were showing you beforehand. And that was me riding on James. James is my namesake.

Don't show the video yet again before I tell you to. James is my namesake. He was named after me because, as Keisel said, he didn't get a bull that was supposed to be named Debo. It's supposed to be an all-black bull, big long horns, solid black beautiful creature. So we got James. He named James after me because he was born on the same day.

James just turned three. I just turned 48. So this right here is James and I's. Birthday ride, my first time ever riding a horse and his first time ever being rolled by anybody else. But Keezer, Kizzo is the only person that's ever rode him. plate yes it's a beautiful creature

there we go you see keys are trying to hold me back right here you want to go that way he got the little rope right there you know he trying to keep the training wheels all right you see i had give it to me i got this you know this ain't it is it is my first rodeo for the name what i do you know what i'm saying just because i don't do it don't mean i can't it when I go to do it. You know, it's real simple, you know, put the bridle on and, you know,

love it in with the mouth, you know. Just turn that thing, it's real easy. Cowboy. Be riding horses for, you know, to be hot to a grasshopper, you know what I think? Yeah, you know, what I do. Turn them back this way now. There you go. This a dream come true for me, man, James and James.

Now listen. Kiesel was hoping you know he told me afterward he was hoping that James was go and that crazy and he was gonna get something good on your film that's what he was hoping that's supposed to be my BFF and that you know talking about running this you know yep you don't know nothing about riding the horse and y'all want to know something come see me I show you how to do it put it in a shoot man here from it in action i know this is what i think i don't understand this king

i was born to be an animal whisper that's what i am in animal whispered don't last a big you know what i'm saying dogs you talk to that no that was another that's another force i heard the background she was obsessed she wasn't communicated so what's he's saying right now i don't put your head down there go ahead get some grass get some grass okay you really are whispering yeah yeah i'll see that Y'all see that? Let me get a little bit of breath.

Hey, come on back up here. That's enough. All right. Turn to you that. See, I wanted to go and trot. He ain't, he didn't try any, he wasn't, he wasn't ready to open him up to do the trot. So, you know, I let him, I guess, since it's still is, this horse you know it's my name's sake i i let him go ahead

run it you know you see i turn the thing can you see i turned your life yeah yeah i saved your life now i could have made that horse run straight into him but i turned you're natural man i guess you're my new riding partner yeah when you want to go let's go across these country by us and woods and things you know Hey, listen, nah, listen, listen, y'all see you boy, he, me. I actually, I do whatever it is that need to be done. And it don't matter if it's the first time, the hundredth time, the last time, I'm going to make it look like I do it all the time. You know, that's what I do.

I do the things that need to be done. But the only reason Kiesel was. filming that because he thought James was going to buck me and start acting crazy. And that's the reason he was holding on to the lead rope at the beginning because he thought it was, it don't, it don't. That's not, that's not how I go. That's not how things transpire. I don't allow things like that to happen and control.

They feel that energy. I think I give off, I give off, you know, like that calming, you know, just like, It's just beautiful energy. Like kids, kids, little kids, little kids like me too. Animals, little kids, and old people. They all like me. You know what that mean? I'm a genuinely good person because kids, they don't know how to filter.

Animals don't give a damn about filter, and they go figure it out just from the sense. And old people are so stuck in their ways, said, listen. I'm trying to tell you. I'm a good dude when I want to be. What I want to be is the key thing. So look here. We're going to jump in this Stiller News.

And we still talking about Aaron Rogers. I guess the Steelers, is the Steelers patience with Aaron Rogers starting to run out. So that's the headline for today off of, what is it, Post-Cazette or something like that. After watching, what is it? They said after watching two of their expected deadlines come and go and insisting that it isn't the same situation as last year. Distillers might not be so understanding if this drags on for two more weeks. If Aaron, if Rogers hasn't given them a decision by the start of the organized, team activities on May 18, their latest deadline, their patients will start to run out into

frustration and maybe something more. Listen, I don't, why are y'all even, why do we even care what he's doing? Like, he ain't saying nothing. I mean, only reason the Stiller saying something is because y'all keep asking them questions. I saw another article where, they were like, well, maybe they're giving Aaron a timeline or sorry, they're putting this contract in play to possibly make it to where it will force him to do something, basically to make him like, yeah, I'm not going there because y'all put this contract on me and I'm not going to do it because you're making me do it, you know, maybe go to another team. They're talking about the Cardinals, whatever it may be.

My thing is this, we're not, I don't feel like we're waiting on Aaron Rogers. I feel like if he comes, it's cool. And then that was something else. I could have swore they said he couldn't even sign until training camp started. Like, if he was to sign. So I don't, I don't know this fascination with writing and trying to anticipate and guesstimate what Aaron's going to do. Like, he ain't said nothing.

The Steelers wouldn't say nothing. If you reporters, analysts, whatever you are, stop asking them questions. And just let it play out. That's what it's going to be. Let it play out. All this deadline stuff, like, I don't, just say y'all don't know.

Y'all go figure it like, hey, you know when he knows. But right now, what we're doing is we're going to run with the team that we have right now. All y'all writing about is Aaron Rogers, It's 40-something other guys on the team right now. Talk about them. It's other dudes.

New, brand-new, 40-piece. Talk about them. Find out who the hell they are. Find out what's the possibilities of them making the team. You're writing about a dude that's going to come back for maybe one year. That ain't said nothing to give you anything to write about because y'all think it's going to give you some eyes on whatever. I'm done.

I ain't saying no more about it unless he signs when he signs. Period. Let's roll with that. Like, until then, we're going to be talking about who is there, who's, who we want to be there, who should be there, who, or signings, all that. And now we got Nick Herbic, his agent. Experience Harry Styles live in London, England at Wembley Stadium. This is Harry Styles. IR. Radio wants to send you an mate across the pond with. flights from Virgin Atlantic, hotel from

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It wasn't a bad message. It was actually a good message. He was on the, what's the dude's name? He just started a show Feehoko. What's the dude's name? He just started. He was talking to, I can't think of his name. Anyway, his agent, Nick's agent, was being asked a question.

And, you know, he basically said that he wanted to be a stiller. for life he was speaking for, because that's what you do. That's what your agent is there for. He's there to speak for you. That way, if anything is said, it's in representation of your agent does represent you, but he's doing what's best for you. So even though you may not want to, even though you may want to sign a deal, because you want to be with the team, your agent, your representative is there to make sure that the deal is worth you signing for. and it represents what you should represent to that team or the NFL, whatever it may be. So he said that he, quote, I fully believe if Nick was a starting full time in the league,

he'd be one of the top five best edge. rushers in football. That right there says it all. He's letting the Steelers know nicely that he sees his player as someone that should be paid as a top five outside Russia. And what is the price of that? I don't exactly know what the price of that is. But I'm pretty sure maybe I don't know.

Probably in the 20s, something like that. It don't, it don't, it don't, it don't matter. The point of the matter is he is in his last year's contract. Next year, he is a unrestricted free agent. Okay. that means he's saying i want my player to be paid starter money like this reason they had not signed a deal yet they're working on a deal but they haven't signed the deal why he wants to be paid started money now you got to look at your starters you have Alex Heisner

he currently has two years left on his deal and he has no guarantee money left on there. He's not an unrestricted free agent until 28, and he will be 31 at that time. So 26, he's a $20 million cap hit. 27, he's a $20 million cap hit. That's not that bad. Now, when you go to TJ,

TJ has a lot of guaranteed money left on his contract. TJ has 26 and 27. And I don't see him going anywhere unless they could potentially, like, get something for him in a trade. Because I don't see anybody taking a $42 million cap hit in each year. So 26 and 27 is $42 million. each and that is fully guaranteed. And in 28, he actually has, it's not guaranteed, but he has a roster boners that is due of 15 million on a third day of the new league season, a new league year. So I hate to say it, in all reality, I would see them releasing him in 28, along with

him being who 34 at the time so i don't see uh i don't see them doing that when that time comes so where does that leave us in our ability to sign herbert it it kind of handicaps the hell out of us i guess i would say but airs a way it could get done think the way it gets done is we have to look at the availability of who would want to trade for Highsmith to clear money to pay Herbic because nobody's going to take the TJ money. I see that as the only way that it's actually possible because now you get something for you know, Highsmith, you also keep Herbic. And then looking towards the future, you got, you got Sawyer.

So now you got Sawyer coming up. And if he develops to the point of what, you know, you guys or what we hope he could develop to, then when that time coming, what, 28, when it's time to release TJ, then he would be the person to step in. I mean, it's horrible to say, but to be able to read him up, that's the only way I see it be impossible because he's not, you know, he's not, he's not going to take, it would be crazy for him to take a deal that's less than what it would be. for a starter when you could be free next year unrestricted.

And to take anything less, I think it would be handicapping itself. It wouldn't be betting on itself. If he takes less, then he's going to be stuck doing the same thing he's been doing, which is being three. You know, everybody want to talk. Everybody want to start, rather. So it's going to come down to what they feel like, the Steelers, they feel like. like is more helpful to the team.

So the production of what, you know, Herbic will get you compared to the production of what, you know, Alex gets you. And then the pay of, you know, what you would have to pay, you know, Herbic and what you could get in a trade for high because I just don't see anybody being able to take a 42 in both 26 and 27 and what I think TJ is already what 31 32 right now so that's where I don't know that's where I see it at but I could be wrong I don't know I'm hoping I'm hoping they could find a way But that was some big numbers.

You got 20 there. They're going to have to give him at least, I would think, 16 to 20 at least for him to consider it. I mean, it's definitely something you would like to get done, so you ain't got to worry about it later on down the line. But as the Asian said, I see my client as a top five. not in the top 5%

not in a top 5 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. At them top 5, what is, what is, what's it, what's it, is, is, is, um, Cleveland. Uh, what's his name? Joe's, Joe's home boy, y'all know what I'm talking about. Miles Garrett, that's it. Miles Garrett.

So, what are he making, like, 45, something like that? like 42, 40, he's making something, 40-something million dollars down. Oh, the dude in Houston, he just made like, what was it, 40-something, 41, 42? Like, you're talking about minimum now. It's looking like 30. He's talking about 30 top five. I mean, he ain't going to get it. I'm just saying, but I'm just, he's just letting them know.

He's just letting him know where he's at, where he's at, where his mind is at and where these numbers go start at without having to, you know, get upset and say, you know, my client is leaving. He doesn't want to be here. No, of course he wants to be there. Everybody wants to spend their whole career as a stiller, you know. Some people get to do it. Some people don't.

Most of them don't. But for him to go and, you know, put it out there nicely, that's a nice negotiation. tactic, letting them know, like, why we haven't really got any further in these negotiations on getting the extended deal for my client. Y'all not in the right ballpark for, you know, for what it needs to be, you know? I mean, all you got to do is, hell, when it's time and you feel like you need to get a little something, hell, can I do it last year?

Like, yo, I need a little something more. I feel like I don't outplay what it is, y'all giving me when I'm about to get paid right now. And right now, he ain't had a big deal yet. This is going to be his first time getting a, you know, a big deal. Unrestricted. And, you know, like, you could easily start on at least half, if not more, of these other squads because you sitting behind T.J. and Hismith. And that's, that's a, that's a, he went, he went a long road.

I think as a, what was he, a third round drive choice to now? Like, you're about to be sitting up there starting for the Pittsburgh Steelers, eventually, hopefully. But in that process to get there, somebody got to go. Because the money ain't going to be spread around enough to be able to pay for everything. And, hell, wasn't we already the highest pay defense last year? And we didn't lose much of anything, did we? But look here, I'm seeing somebody that is on my line right here. And this is what I want to do for y'all.

Today, ladies and gentlemen, we have a former two-time first team all Big 12, First team, All-American in the 99. In 2000, he was the big 12 defensive player of the year, alone with a consensus All-American, drafted in the first round, 2001 by the Pittsburgh Steelers. But then go on to be a five-time Pro Bowl, two-time Super Bowl champion, inducted into the Western Pennsylvania Hall of Fame in 2018,

2020 named to the stillest all-time team in 2020 inducted into the Steelers Hall of Honor and should be inducted into the NFL Football Hall of Fame the coldest nose tackle to ever play the game. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Casey Big Snack Hampton to the show. Brother, thank you for coming on. it's an honor to have you in a pleasure. Hey, man, look here.

I'm gonna call you. I'm gonna start calling you, I'm gonna start calling you Bibo Harvey. That's how you bring it. That's how you bring me out of you. That's how you bring your boy out, man. So your boy's some love, baby. Hey, baby, I'm trying, help.

I'm trying, help, man. Thank you for coming on, baby. Appreciate you. Where are you at? You're out there in Galveston, baby? Man, I'm at the crib, man. You know, I'm in between Galveston and Houston. You know, you can't really just live

at the crib. Too close. That's a... Yeah, man. So I go out there all the time, but I'm in between Houston and Galveston, you know what I mean? tucked off in the cut, you know what I mean?

Okay. What's you got behind you right there, bro? What's that art? Hey, man, that's old pock and big, man, that's old pock and big. You know, Coach Meck. Way back in the day, baby. I got a decent collection, you know what I'm saying?

So... Coach Me? I got a few... I got a few pieces. That's one of my little... little originals, man. You know what I mean? I got a few little, little old littleos. You know what I mean? That looks nice. That looked real nice, bro. That look real nice, bro. I might have to, yeah, I might, which, which, which, how's that in? Houston or

Galveston? Which one of them, whichever one that went in. Just come to Texas, man. I'm going to have to coffee. Okay. Okay. Hell, you ain't, listen, man. You ain't said nothing but a thing, brother. You ain't said nothing but a thing. Hey, listen, what do you, I want to jump into a little bit of still right now. You know Omar, as long as I've known Omar, actually you've been known them a year longer than me because you got there a year before me. What do you think of the job he has done so far?

Meaning the last, what, two years? This year. This year. He got the handles now this year. With the draft, I mean, I think that, in the draft, he got the knee positions, right? We need to get, we need an old line. We need receiver help.

I think that, I think he, we definitely addressed that. My only deal is with a first round pick, and I don't watch film, you know what I mean, but I know that football being played for just five years, you know what I mean? I know that's a project, you know what I mean? And this with me, I like with my first round pick, man. I want that guy to be a guy.

He can definitely develop into a guy, no doubt about it. You know what I mean? He has all the intangibles, but I think it's going to be a, it's going to be work to see how he develops and kind of see how he going to be. But I think as a whole, man, he did a pretty good job, man. He got out of need positions. And as you know, Debo, man, it all boils down to how you develop the guys. You never know what nobody's going to be until it happens. Right.

So you got to have the coaches that are in those positions that could actually develop. the talent that you picked up. You know what I'm saying? I got lucky. You got lucky. You had coach Mitch. I had coach Butz. We had,

we both had coach LeBow. You know, it was a, you know, it was a very fortunate and blessed opportunities that we fell into. You know,

you just got there in the first round. I got there just as, you know, a tag along, you know, from something else. You know what I'm saying? Bro. So you came out of Texas, right? As I talked about your accolades through that process,

although that 99, 2000, at what point do were you like? Experience Harry Styles live in London, England at Wembley Stadium. This is Harry Styles. IR Radio wants to send you an mate across the pond with flights from Virgin Atlantic, Hotel from TripCentral.ca, tickets, and $1,000 cash. Here we got it! Download the free IHeart Radio app. Listen to IHeart new music for 10 minutes.

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I'm going first run. Debo, man, not to sound like arrogant in that, man, you can ask my boys, man, like, even when I went to college, man, I think coming from where I come from, we have so many guys that played in the NFL. Like, you can just look it up. I mean, it's probably 30-some guys.

Some crazy number. I was in school, like, even in, like, junior high and things like that, we had six, seven guys in NFL at one time. So most, well, most people see that as a dream or like they they it's out of reach i've always seen that within reach because it's always been around me you know what i mean and i growing up like being in high school like

you know a lot of people say you know they can't be good he's going to NFL one day but when i'm from at galveston they really see you know what i'm saying so they had like back when i was like in high school so when i when i got the college um i never forget man um when i'm when I knew I was going to be okay, we had a guard, they and Neil, he was an all-American, you know what I mean? He had them vice grips, you know. Oh, I know them vice groups. Yeah, he had them vice.

And I remember, man, my freshman year, we started doing one-on-ones and things like that, man. And I got up and then, I worked him. And I mean, I got up there. I worked him. And he was like, hey, man, bring that back. Let's bring him back over here. I got him again.

And I went back. I was like, hey, man, I might be honest with something like. Uh-huh. It's the best they got. He was a beast now, you know what I'm saying? I just whipped them every day. But I just knew then that, you know what I'm saying? I might have had a little something, and I was going, I was going to get up.

I was telling my boy, my boy, Cedra Woodard, we came in together. And he always tells his story, man, when I went to the University of Texas, I was, he was like, I'm just happy to be here at Texas. And I was saying that I'm going to go first round out of Texas. He didn't, that wasn't no reality to him. You know what I'm saying? But I was really feeling that way, way back then. I don't know a lot of kids say that, but I really felt that way.

Okay. Okay. Mindset. It's the whole mentality of where you at, everybody. Like, yo, this is what we do. If you don't do it, then you ain't, you ain't, you ain't, you ain't, you ain't, you ain't, uh, setting up to the standard that it's supposed to be. Yeah, man.

I think it's different down there, gal was my mom from, man. You got it, you got, you got a lot of big names, crazy names. We had some guys go first-round things like that, but, you know, we had a lot of guys go. You know what I'm saying? It's a real thing. It was a real thing down there going up when I was. when I was brought up down. Okay.

Is it true that you actually led the team in tackles as a defensive line member? In my last two years in Texas. In tackles? My last two. In tackles, no doubt. Hold up for the whole team. For the whole team, man. Thibbo, man.

I mean, luckily. Bro, what was your linebackers doing? Man, let me, first of all, RIP to my D-Line coach, he just passed away. I just went to his funeral this past weekend by one of my best D-line coaches ever. What's crazy is my D-Line coach in college and Coach Mitch, they coach together in the USS FI.

Shut up. They budge. Crazy, ain't it? Shut up, right. What was his name? Mike Tolson, Coach Talbot, that's my guy, man. You know what I mean? He came from LSU, came to Texas with Matt Brown. And that was my coach, man.

He taught me the most. I actually had, I actually had three. 3D line coaches at Texas. I had him my last three years, but it was night and day. He taught me everything, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. So he was a little help me.

But anyway, man, I was lucky to have a great coach, but Coach Bull Reese, my defense coordinator, he passed away as well. But his whole thing was the linebacker's on scholarship, too. Go get the ball.

It wasn't no holding nobody off. You know what I'm saying? Oh, hell no. Hell no. You know what I mean? Hey, man, the linebacker on scholarship I was, hey, man, I was, I was, like, number one in tackles. My boy, Sean Rodney, Big Bagel.

He was, like, three or four in tackles, man, we was going to get it. You know what I mean? Our lineback was, hey, man, they was, they was, they were. Y'all just left them boys out the drive? Man, they had, but they're doubling us, though. We, we beating the double. Like, you're thinking they just let me go? I'm beating the double, man.

Like, I don't, I don't know what the boys was doing back there, man. I don't know. But I know I was getting to that ball, man. You know what I'm saying? Right. When you have a different coordinator that say the linebackers on scholarship, too, and he coached the linebackers. Wow.

So either one or two things, man. But you got to think who my, you got me and Sean Rogers up there defensive. No question. Nobody can block it. Like, you know what I'm saying? They can't blockers. Oh, yeah, Big Baby for show.

They let their big dogs eat. Man, how y'all get Big Baby and Big Snack? How y'all get them names, bro? Big Baby, man. man, he just, he got his naturally. Because he was, he just was the biggest baby at every level when, you know what I'm saying, in college, man. He just crying about everything.

What he cried about? What he cried about? It in everything, man. Everybody against him is always, there's always something with him, man. Like, that's just, that's just him. But that's the thing that makes him tick because everything's against him. he's always whining about something, but he's going to do something about it.

Oh, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's what makes him think. He's just a big-ass, he's just a big-ass baby. I think, and I don't even think a player named him. I think maybe one of the, one of our home girls in college named him that. You know what I'm saying? That's how much of a big baby.

You know, the big snack thing for me, man. You know, Kersky missed over me. Kerski missed me. Gave me the fake name, man. He gave me the fake big snack name. They came around asking who got the craziest nickname on the team. And Kerski, I guess he thought he was being funny. I wasn't around or nothing.

He's going to tell the media they called me big snack because I'm always eating. I'm always snacking in the media. Wow. Chewing or that or whatever, whatever. So they come to, I'm at lunch. I'm coming out of lunch and all the media run up to me. Snack, snack, big snack, big snack. Big snack.

Like, what the hell is going on? You know what I'm like, yeah, Kerski said, that your nickname is a big snack. I'll say, man, come on, man. So I really did deny it or say it was true, but after that it was a rap holder, man. They ran with it, man. I was snack from being a

Yeah, yeah. You can't deny a name that's given to you. That's like trying to make your own name. It don't stick. You can't make your own name stick. And you can't deny a name that's given to you either, babe. You got to take the giving to a name, man. When you make your own name,

that's kind of weird. When you do your own name, Man, that's kind of weird, Bivo. That's weird. Yeah, like, they call me, dude, who, who call you what? When you just made that up? I ain't never heard them call you that. Bro, I don't had, what, three, four names. I don't have, like, I was, I was two-day vet.

Oh, yeah, two-day vet off the muscle, Bivo. Hey. Hey, man, I'm like, this dude here, man, like, this dude, he can't tell him nothing. he just, you were just like, whatever, dude. Like, I think that comes from, that comes from your mom, but I know that you got that. No, no, that was, that was a defense mechanism, dude.

I ain't want nobody to know. I ain't know what the hell I was doing. So instead of asking for help, I'm like, yeah, all right, well, whatever, fuck you. I know what it's going to know. So you picked that up from Kendrell? No, I already had that in me, dude. That was like, I didn't, like, for me,

and that's probably why I did so damn bad in school. Asking for help was weak. You know, if I need a help, it was like weakness, you know what I'm saying? I'm asking for help. I can't do this myself. Why am I asking? You know what I'm saying? It felt like weakness to me.

So not with your boys. Oh, hell no, you better come to me ask for help. I don't teach, none of the stuff that I learned growing up, bro, is taught to my kids, man. I don't do none of that, man. I tell my kids I love them daily. My kids say they love me. The last thing I say to my kids, I love you more. Like, I'm very expressive about how I feel about them.

I let them know that because, you know, when I grew up, my mom and dad didn't say it. You know, I had one time where, you know, I'm telling my dad, I'm listening to a dude. He's talking and he's talking to his parents. And he's like, yeah, you know, I love you, woo, woo, I'm hearing McCray. That was his name, bro. And I'm like, yo, that shit cool. I'm like, I'm going to try that. So my dad.

though, he called. I talked to him. But, blah, blah, blah, before we get off, all right, dad, I love you, get off the phone. Boom. As soon as I hang the phone up, two minutes later, my mom calling, I'm like, yo, what's up? You good? Like, what you mean? You good? Yeah, I'm good. Why? Well, your daddy told me to talk to you. Okay, yeah, you good. I'm like, yeah, I'm good. Why? He said, you said, you know, you love him. Like, I was, you know, going to sign somebody off or I was going to kill my,

like, something was going, like, when you said, I love you, like, hey, that's it. Hey, I'm going to do something. Something got to get done. I love you, but just know I love you. I got to go do this, though, you know? So that was something I didn't want with my kids do. And, you know, I'm real expressive, you know, about that. I don't hold nothing back.

And if you need help with anything, like, that's my big thing. I'm trying to fix everything, bro. I don't, you know, I don't want you to struggle with anything. And I think that might be a little bit to my, to their detriment, you know, at some point in time, you know, I had to let go. let them be a little hard but I'm very like I grew up kind of similar the same way

and it's all about like just because we grew up the way we grew up and we're okay that don't make a lot of that shit, you know what I'm saying and I believe in that man I just man

he's kids soft and his dad man man I'm a love on my son yeah I don't care what you about all that hard it's time to teach him the lesson and be hard but man

you gotta pour that love into them but they're gonna give it back man like no no doubt about man like i believe that whole heart of it man i hate that but you gotta you got a you got a balance you don't let them be soft like you can't you cannot hey hey they can't hey listen the softness comes my thing is this you better fight on the drop of a hat if somebody put their hands on you zero scary ain't no scary but you go be soft because you used to live in a certain way so i know you ain't trying to stay at the three-star hotel because you're going to be looking at me like

I didn't did something wrong to you. You know what I'm saying? Not wrong with that though, D'Bah. But long as if it pop off, you know what I'm saying, you're jumping off the porch. You got to be ready for it. Like, you can't be believing that. Like, my son, I already know, man, don't start nothing, but you better finish it if somebody come on with it. Like, you know what I don't say. I don't, I don't give a damn how big he is. Would he, listen, let him know. you throwing hands, you're throwing hands immediately, and you go keep throwing hands every day until you get a W.

Bullie wants to bully. He don't want to fight for that win. No doubt about it. And it's okay to lose, D. Right. It's okay to lose, bro. It ain't okay to run from it, though. No question.

No question. No question, bro. You cannot run from it because you go get chased for the rest of your damn life. And if it ain't by them, it's by somebody else that probably ain't even go put a hand on you, but you don't gotten to that point to where you're like, you know what, instead of me going ahead and fighting this, I'm going to run, no, I ain't running from nothing. Like, I've been in a situation where I should have ran.

It was a six piece. It was six on one. I should have ran. Yeah, but I didn't. I was foolish. You know what I said? I didn't. I let, oh, I ain't running from no mother.

I said, yeah, I should have ran that time. Hey, man, what pool was doing? What's your son doing? Man, pull a shit. Hey, man, you got a job. I'm trying to, I'm trying to get him off the books. Try to give you off the books, man. He's still on the payroll.

He's still on payroll. He's still on payroll. He's just graduated. He just finished college. You know what I'm saying? He's chilling, man. Trying to figure it out, you know what I mean? To figure out what he's going to do next.

He's got a little finance degree and, you know, he's doing his name, man. But giving him some time to figure out what he going to do next. You know, he got time. Ain't no big deal. Ain't no rush, man. Hey, it ain't never no rush. I tell what, listen, man, listen, you can stay here. I tell my kids like, listen, man, you could be a professional college.

student. You want to get your, you want to get your bachelor's, go get your neck, go get your doctor, go get your master, whatever. You could be a professional college student to you 40, babe. Like, when you keep being a degree? At college degree, it'll be worse shit pretty soon. Hey, I already got a plan for them. They don't even know it yet. I already got a plan.

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