Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Steelers host QB prospect, Pittsburgh Draft Needs, Browns Culture Changing?

Episode Date: April 14, 2026

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to reports of the Pittsburgh Steelers hosting 2026 NFL Draft prospect QB from Arkansas Taylen Green, Broderick Jones' uncertain future at LT, Todd Monken talking about changing Cleveland Browns culture, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Happy Birthday Joe!05:17 - Steelers hosting QB Prospects14:31 - Steelers Draft Needs22:42 - Jaylen Warren offseason workouts25:08 - Browns Defense Expectations28:44 - Todd Monken on Browns culture (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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prize picks. It's good to be right. Welcome back to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like, subscribe and download where you get your show. Everybody, happy birthday to the show.

Come on. Come on, brother, Debo. Thank you, my brother. You know, we are here. Come on, man. We are here. It is a blessed day. My wife, she gave me the crown.

She gave me the king, the King Jody, Satchel Jones. Okay. I'm excited. The crown's too big. I just wanted to put it on for a minute. But bless, Debo. It's my birthday. I'm 37 years old, bro.

Woke up this morning. Hey, you're the third boy, you only a year behind me? You're 47 years old. I'm 10 years behind you. So, you know, you got me by a decade. It's not too bad, but, you know, it is what it is. 37, woke up this morning, my boy, Joey and Jess. Back hurting, huh?

Back, bro, back, hip, you know what I'm saying? Feel 37, but, you know, it is what it is. Boys woke up, gave me some love, woke up 645, singing happy birthday to me, brother. Just a blessed day. Just a blessed day. What you're doing? What you're doing for the rest of the day?

After we get through here, what you're doing, man. Did they bring you some breakfast or something? You know what I'm saying? Bro, they brought me some breakfast. They brought me some scrambled eggs. They brought me some sausage. They brought me some toast. Okay.

He brought me, brought me some coffee. You know what I'm saying? Breakfast in bed. It was amazing. But honestly, Debo, for real, the odor I get, I remember I just was in Miami. So me and my brothers, we did a little trip. Me, my brothers, a lot of my good friends, like four of the homies. We went out there, chilled, had a blast.

Actually, me, Josh Jordan, my brother, three of my brothers and two of my boys went out there, had a good little time on Miami, vived up. So now I need peace. I'm chilling. My boys went to school. me and my wife, we're going to probably go get some lunch. Just hang out. You know what I'm saying?

Just vibe up. All right. Yeah, that's a good thing. You know what I'm saying? I mean, you know, once you start to, you start to mature and realize, you know, ain't no prize in the bottom of that bag, that bottle, rather, you know what I'm not. Ain't none. I might, look, I might have a thing.

Might have a drink or, might have a drink, though. Nothing crazy. Might have a drink or five. Might have a drink or two or three. But, you know, nothing crazy. Just a good. Nothing crazy. I'm honestly, bro, I woke up.

Just blessed, Debo. Health. You can't buy health. And you woke up. They're going to bless you. Come on, man. You woke up, it's a blessing. Ain't it?

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Another day. And now we get to talk that ball. Talk that ball. My good man. Still is, baby. They hosted one of the SEC quarterbacks.

I guess it's, what's his name, Tailing Green? Yeah. He visited yesterday. Distillers are also linked with Alabama's Ty Simpson, although they would not likely get him at 21. I don't think we were grabbing if he was at 21 anyway. What do you think? I think they're doing their due diligence.

They're doing what teams do. They know that we probably need a quarterback. And if Will Howard and them aren't the guy, you study up on all of the dues. You know what I'm saying? If we're not going to have Ty Simpson, we're not all the way fully invested in him. Later draft picks, that's where you find some of the really good players.

You know what I'm saying? Like, end of the day, if we're not fully invested in Ty Simpson and we're not thinking he's going to be there at 21, we're not going to go chase him at 21. We're going to go get the best player, what we need, offensive line, defense to tackle, something that's going to help our team because that's an instant starting spot that we could get. There's going to be great value at that position where I'm like, if y'all don't believe in tie, I'm not believing in tie.

So why not we don't have to waste our 21st pick on them. Let somebody else take the chance. Josh Rosen, people keep forgetting in 2018, Josh Rosen went 10th overall before Lamar Jackson. Nobody says none of that. 22 picks later, they pick Lamar. So Brock Purdy went in the sixth round.

Tom Brady, you know what I'm saying? Went to six brown. Do your due diligence. Study these quarterbacks because not all of these dudes that you think are supposed to be, oh, he's a Hall of Fame or first round pick, go ahead and get him. He might be ass.

You know what I'm saying? So study on these other dudes that nobody's watching, nobody's really thinking about. And he messed around and be really good. And he just be a play on your team like Will Howard. We got him in the fifth. We still haven't been able to see what he got. They obviously studied his tape. He got drafted to the NFL.

He just has had a chance to go out there and show it. So with them bringing in these other quarterbacks, oh, he's projected to be a second, day, third day guy. Smart. Smart. Because you may find a diamond in the rough in one of these later quarterbacks that just aren't as high. high in college just didn't put up the numbers that everybody else did. But the dude is a baller. You know what I'm saying?

He knows how to read football. You know what I'm saying? Like Josh Allen, he wasn't, he could have went, Baker Mayfield went first, then Sam Darnel went, then Josh Rosen, then Josh Allen. And then 32, they picked Lamar Jackson. So I'm like, all of these analysts, like you could say, oh, no, he's going to be great. I'm not rocking with Ty.

Somebody else might. He might end up being good. But later on, nobody's going to be like, oh, no, nobody, do you remember that? When Ty Simpson, y'all was saying he was going to be amazing and he wasn't, can he pick it? Love him to death. We picked him in the first round. Ty Simpson's short. He's six foot.

Like, go ahead, guys. Y'all got it. I'm cool. I'm loving that they're studying, doing their homework on all the other quarterbacks. Because we got 12 picks. Like, we can get one of these dudes in the four through the fifth. Like, if y'all thinking that he's good, boom, we got the spot. Take him.

We don't have to waste 21 to go get Ty. We still got Will. Mason Rudolph went third round that draft. And Josh Rosen went 10. Mason Rudolph went third round. He's still in the league. We still got him on our team. That's called they did their due diligence.

They did their homework. Mason Rudolph wasn't too high on everybody else's, but we still got him in a third, still a solid quarterback trying to figure out his way, back up, but he's on the roster. He's able to win games. You know what I'm saying? So I'm looking at it like,

do your homework, Steelers. I'm loving what you're doing. You're studying. You're figuring out like we might need to get a quarterback. If we do need a quarterback, then we don't have to get a quarterback. then we don't have to get it in the first round. It's not about if we need a quarter.

It's about when we go need the quarterback. We're going to need a quarterback. We need a quarterback. That's what it comes down to. But checking out the tail and grain calf, the Arkansas quarterback, bro. I started looking at him yesterday. Once I did a little bit of research, man.

Okay. And saw like, I'm like looking at this man. This could be interesting, dude, depending on where he's at in the draft. he liked 6-6 almost, 227, so you might as well say he's 230. He run a 4-36. He might as well say 4-3-5. Dude, he got a 43-5-inch vertical.

Joe, like the numbers, it's like the blueprint of what I was go do with when I went to the combine, bro. Brother, besides the 6-6 for show. Oh, yeah, take away six and a day. Take away to height. Take away five and three-quarter inches or something like that. You know what I'm saying? Everything else.

Other than that, man, it was the blueprint of what I was going to do. Okay. And then when you look at it, you know, he got, he got some inconsistencies. You know, he misses on, like, routine throws, like a little bit, along with his processing of information, all that. He's slow, so he doesn't anticipate throws, which means, you know, like sometimes he's holding the ball too long. He's getting to that more. And then the biggest thing is 11 interceptions and 12 games, you know, you can't really have that. But again, like...

This is Tayloring Green. Yes, dude. That, who they had at the facility on Monday. And, you know, if he's able to deal with a lot of that stuff, especially like the processing, if he's able to start processing faster, then you can anticipate throws that cuts down on interceptions, that cuts down on timing of you being late, you know, getting the ball out there. And even with all that said, like, I'm depending on where he's at. If he's a day three guy, like, maybe even a day two depending on where it's at, you know what

I'm saying? Like, that could be something that we could actually go and be like, hey, maybe we can pick him up because he got a strong arm, dude. Bro, when I'm looking- When I'm looking at this, Debo, it's just playing to rock, bro. When I'm looking at this Debo, it's just, it gives me, it makes me happy because they're doing research. You know what I'm saying? They're not just going out.

And the same thing, like you said, he threw those picks. McCarthy is a, he's supposed to be the quarterback guru. He's supposed to be bringing in young quarterbacks. And if he likes him, then I like him. So I'm like, you like Will? I like Will. Mark McCarthy, you are the coach. You are being able to pull all the strings.

So when I'm looking at this, I'm thinking that if we're looking at him, If Mike McCarty likes it, then I love it. You know what I'm saying? Because you're going to be the one that's dealing with these quarterbacks. If you don't think you got what we need in the room, go study these guys coming out. Todd Simpson, if you don't think we need them at 21, I'm really rocking with the Steelers' organization and trying to get to what they need. And then I just going out, outreach and stuff. Hey, this brings me back to what he was saying in this conference.

He was like, yeah, at the right spot. Like, hey, this might be the cat. They were thinking about like, yo, if he's at the right spot, like, we will go get him because big arm, he's fast, he's explosive. When you look at it, the big thing is his processing. If you pick up his processing, if somebody can coach him to read faster, react faster, he can anticipate these throws, get better, lower the interceptions, everything else, and you don't need him to come and do it right now.

All you need is coaches that can develop him or a coach, coaches, coach is coaches, coach. that's the case. Yeah. I like it. I like it. I love it. Just keep, like we said, keep building. I'm Luke Wilson.

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got a young quarterback, he got to be accountable to know what he's doing, and everybody else got to be held up accountable to know exactly what they're doing. So I think it all would work together. Yeah, definitely, definitely. Dude, he, bro, I couldn't believe his numbers, bro. Like, you're talking about, like, fast, dude, like, and too wet, like, I think a lot of the reason why he's, like, so has difficulty processing is, like, he's just, going through it and he's like, I'm fast. I can get up out of here. So if I don't see nothing there, he just go to take off or move around the pocket and,

you know, I don't know. I want to see. I'm just excited because end of the day, we know when Mike McCarthy's coming here, we need to start scoring points on offense and just identity. We got the running. We got, I'm looking at it. We need to get some line. We get in the running backs.

We got the strong receivers. We got the tight ends. So we just got to establish identity. Once we be able to start running the ball, Mike McCarthy being able to, like I said, not making our quarterback do everything. You're just not out there. Don't be effing it up. Don't lose the game, coach.

You know what I'm saying? So keeping them ahead of the sticks, having them legitimate jailing, having a riddle, all them dudes toting the brook. So, yeah. Yeah, you're talking about Dowell, Doddle, Rocco. Rico, Rico, Rico, Rico, NFL.com. They did a draft thing on what teams need them all. And I guess they said

Distillers Omar Khan should direct his attention towards a blocking unit, especially if he'd like to maximize a backfield that includes Jalen Waddle. We got Waddle?

No, that's Jailon Warren. Oh, about to say. Yeah, they've got Jailon Waddle. Jailorne. Jailorne. Jailor RICO Donald. Who is Caleb Johnson? I think that was like Young, young running back that we had that was kind of hurt.

Yeah, see, whoever said this is there. So the position I'm targeting, he said, is offensive tackle. Yes. Where Broder Jones is in C-minute into his job on the left side. You know he got hurt too, but bring in some competition and further raise the standard up front. It might be especially necessary once the stillers are forced to turn around a younger quarterback after 2026 to turn to a young quarterback. What do you think, Joe?

That's our first go-to is the tackle? Yes. I mean, it's offensive line or it's defensive line. That's what I think. You already got a defense line. We got our middle. We got a piece right there for us right now. You know, Sebastian.

For sure, for sure. But yes. So my thing is, I always want us to, You can't never establish too much dominance, but I would love first case scenario offensive line 1,000% because you can't go wrong with that. Like Pouncey, the Castro, when you get those dudes, they're not the pre-like, you want to say they're not the prettiest picks. But those are the picks that are going to be there for 12 years and you're not going to have to worry about it for a while. So it might be not the prettiest when you get it, but when you get the good ones, you're going to be set for a long time. And it's never like, I love the, it's having it around the 20.

You can get maybe one that can move from guard to tackle, having a swing guard that's you, whatever hole you need, he can fill it. You know what I'm saying? So just front line, being able to protect the quarterback that we're going to have and being able to run the ball. Like if you get a dominant offensive alignment, you're killing two birds of one stone.

You know what I'm saying? So with the Steelers, with it being a little like, I like our skill position players. I love what we got. I think the only thing we could do right now was really establish that line of scrimmage. And the more better offensive alignment we get, the more push, just the easier is going to be for whoever quarterback it is going to be behind this offensive line and the running backs

that's going to be getting it. So offensive line for me is just, it's not pretty, but we got a lot of, we got, we got the people that, the skill positions, we got that covered. We just need some dogs that can really just establish that line of scrimmage and be able to protect the quarterback. Yeah, I'm 100% with you right there. I think with the uncertainty of Broder Jones and his ability to be able to come back this year

or if he's able to come back at all because of the injury that he had last season, that's another big concern. But to solidify the offensive line and make it so that the money that we don't spend, we can actually use the guys that we don't spend the money on and be effective. about it, we need to, we need to beef up.

We need to beef up the offensive line, brother. Yes. Because those dudes, they are better when the offensive line is better. Like, you, your receivers, you need your quarterback to be protected. You're going to need time. So no matter what, if D.K. out there and whoever quarterback is getting hit upside the head is not having time to throw the ball, it's not going to look as good. So run, run, run.

Yes. Establish it. Making the single high. If we're sitting there too high, we can't run the ball. Now it doesn't matter. Nobody's going to be open. They're sitting back there covered. Both safeties over the top because we can't run the ball because somebody's getting beat in the middle, losing the one-on-ones.

Like, no, it needs to be first and 10 to second and four. You know what I'm saying? Second and three, running for seven if you got too high, you're tripping. You got to put one down in there. And now, Pittman, D.K., now work on them. We got one-on-ones outside. Now it's time to work. And that makes it so much easier.

Like, it doesn't have to be a difficult game for the Steelers. Play great defense. Control the clock. Like, when I was listening to Heath, I was like, yeah. I mean, I was like, yes, Miller. I was like, yes, you sound exactly like what the Steelers need to do now. What Big Ben came into. Like, in the day, it sounds easy, but yes, we're trying to get that established.

Defense, don't give up the points. You know what I'm saying? Like, we have the balls out there. We're making the most money in the league. let's show it. I'm not saying y'all can't do it, but every time there shouldn't just be people running scot-free. No, y'all make plays, no bust.

We're two professionals. We're grown men out here. Everybody, be accountable for your job, and we can have an elite defense. Legit. Boom. Offense. Toot the rock.

We got this young quarterback, or it's A-Rah, whoever it is. We're running the ball. We're scoring touchdowns, toting it down their throat. There's nothing they can do. You know what I'm saying? You get the benefit of having an actual,

you know, offensive line that can, be very good to dominant in the run game and run blocking. Even if they aren't the greatest at pass blocking, but they are great at run blocking, that's going to open up everything because like you said, you got to bring down that safety. Now you got the eight and the nine. Now you hit them with the play action pass.

You don't care. You ain't got to really care about nothing because they're not pinning their ears back on second and three on, you know, third and one. They're looking for it. Now go and hit them over their head. same thing the play action now it comes into effect now you can get in situations where hell it's first down you've been running on first down every play for the last you know three four series five series whatever it may be and now on this first down you play actioning them and hit

them for 30 40 yards over the top thousand percent that yeah offensive line huge big has to be especially if we want to run the ball effectively and be in the top I want to be like in the top like three to five in the run game. Brother, that's the way you establish your dominance. Control the clock. You're not, people not out there all the time. Defense is taking a breather.

You go out there and get a quick three and out. Offense going to hold the ball seven minutes. March that jump down, get some points. Now you get two, three and outs. It's down to halftime. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? You're sitting on the ball, not in a bad way. Just six minutes, a couple six minute drive. Come on, bro. A couple six minute drives. It's halftime. You have 14.

You have 14 zero. Everybody's chilling. That's the kind of games that we want to have. Listen, listen, bro. Speaking of running the ball, still is running back, Jeline. Warren, he's training by, I don't know, is this a goal?

Dude, look, he... What you got going on? He doing one in the wild workouts. Oh, mess. See, I mean, you know, he... He's working. I understand. He's working.

He's working. But you know what, Debo, you're saying, you could get it done on the sled. It's just like the sled. How much that weighs? 200. You can put that same thing. You can put 200 pound jumps on the sled.

And you feel like you're doing the same thing. But I see he's outside working with the elements. He might not have a sled. He just flipped over the goalposts. You know what I'm saying? He's going to get it in. He's just letting us know. He's going to get it in regardless.

But I feel you. If it's 200 pounds, you're pulling 200. But he's working. I'm not, I'll love to see it. I ain't gonna lie, man. I don't know. I feel like, I feel like something could go wrong with this goal post, brother. Okay, no, okay, okay.

I don't know. Like, it just don't look like it's the safest thing. Plus, you see how he like starts off slow to make sure it ain't going to do something? You know what I'm saying? Like, you hit that sled, it's, uh, uh, uh, you know what I'm saying? You get up out of there. And you could pull more. You could load a sled up.

Dude, I had one sled loaded up almost two. thousand pounds. Yeah, yeah. No, I know. It's a lot. It's a lot safer act. You know, I like the, I like to work, though. Like you said, I like to work. I like the work. I'm in for,

you know what I'm here. Listen. Listen, I understand where it's at. I understand where it's at. It was easier for him to just use the goal post than it was because he would have to bring all that weight, all that weight, all that grill it all out. That, he's

at a soccer field. All you got to do is join over. I'm using what I got. Yeah. Okay. I'm hoping he got permission from them, folks, because, you know, they're going to be like,

yo, you don't scrap up to our goal post, man. See. We're going to need you to do something about that, man. You didn't mess up a field and all that, buddy. See, the way I think, hopefully they,

hopefully they steal his fans. Hopefully he got prior, you know what I'm saying, you know, before he goes. He asked, okay if I come, got permission. Yeah, yeah. Hopefully.

Hopefully. If not, you might have to go on here and get him a new little gold post. Got to pay for a goal post. Look, I ain't going to lie to you, though. What's going to help him? We're talking while we're talking about him. He's going to be toting that rock, Debo. That's all I know.

He's going to be toting that rock. Rico Donald is going to be toting that rock. So what they need to do is get some linemen like we were talking about to make sure there's a little bit more open holes. So as soon as they get it, they ain't got to make it. the first man miss and now we're just trying to get to two. No, we need you to get to the backers. We need you to get there. We need you to have four yards before you get touched. Now get busy. Ooh, that's ugly. That, that's what we're saying. That's what we're going to be. You get like

that. They're going to be putting 10 in the box, baby. That's what I'm saying. Now we got to get 10 in the box. It's going to eat. That's the goal. That's what I'm looking forward to. Like, if you won the established dominance, that's what you got to do. Mm. Mm. Mm. It's going over here to your brownies, man. Yes, sir, yes, sir. So the Browns may not miss your guy, Jim Swartz, as much as the fans expect.

I guess your starting quarterback. Yeah, I'm a good man, Tyson. Tyson Campbell says Browns are in good hands with Mike Ruttenberg. Rutten off the rip. He brings a lot of energy, a lot of passion, and that's what you want out of your D-coordinator. a guy that brings a lot of energy and passion to the group and all about team camaraderie 11 guys playing as one on the field and rooting for each other and rooting for each other braces you bring in that type of positive energy in the room it's so addictive yeah what what this mean they're about to they're about to take off they feel like they done got they didn't they didn't they didn't they didn't they're made uh made friends and they got this just not just not nice camaraderie going on and they all bought in.

And I mean, defense was already good. What you get from this, Joe? You know, what I would expect, you know what I'm saying? You got a new defensive coordinator in. And if he is giving you the juice, you're going to say, yes, okay, boom, I'm filling the vibes. It is what it is. He's wants everybody to. I'm Luke Wilson.

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He wanted to be the head coach. It's a whole situation going on. So as my man Tyson, speaking, he's going to be our new corner, starting corner. He's letting him know. I like the vibes. He's coming in with the energy. That's just what you're supposed to say. You know, so obviously, I'm just hoping when we go on the field, the communication,

the flying around and he's saying like everybody, I think that's meaning like, you know, you want dudes to be, when you see a dude make a play, just be happy for your teammates, all that stuff, the normal things that D.Bs, that coaches say, but for three, For Tyson, I just think he's just trying to keep the ship cool. Like, yes, we all rocking with the coach. He's bringing the energy. He's bringing the vibes. But like I said, the only thing that's going to matter is if dudes are running Scott

free on defense, none of this is going to matter. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, he's meeting the decontinent. Oh, he's giving us good vibes. Okay. All right. Hope the plays are good. Hopefully the communication is right.

Because we'll be able to judge it from the field. But right now, when he meets the coach, when you see him, he can just give him what he knows. And I appreciate him for being like, yeah, boom. Vives was good. He's about team. He's about flying around. Good. We'll be able to really judge what it's looking like

if dudes are running wide open or not. If y'all are really still top defense like Jim Schwartz was, you see people running around. Is it communication? Is it now y'all are just getting beat? You know what I'm saying? So I'd be able to get to the tape then. But what he's saying right now is just, yes,

energy's addictive when you have a good coach just come through hype. You know what I'm saying? Some people feed off it. Some people don't. You are more like, it don't matter. I just need you to let me know what I'm doing and where I'm going.

With Tyson, I could like a coach like that just with the vibes. Some dude doesn't matter. Either way, I'm going to just make sure, make sure you let me know what I'm doing. And when I'm doing it, I don't care about what your vibes are. You know what I'm saying? So it's just his opinion. But now I'm like, when we get out to the field,

we'll see how the X's nose look. Yeah. Yeah. I ain't really got nothing really to add to that one, buddy. Yeah. You said enough of it. Like, but. But your boy.

way Todd Munger said, there's only one way to change the narrative of the Browns franchise, baby. And that is winning. Winning changes everything, he said. Winning changes everything, right? I told coaches the other day, right? Okay. Or play well.

How does a player stop the narrative play well? How do we stop the narrative on offense, score? How do we stop the narrative of winning, win, changing, changing, change the narrative, become that, that is what we have to do. It's real simple. Joe, he hasn't had a head coach that finished his tenure with a winning record since old Martin Schottonheimer in 1989, 88, 84 to 88. He went from 84 to 88.

That's before you was born, Joe. You know what's so crazy, Joe, is 80, I want to say 86. That's crazy. 86 and 87. It was Denver. Lost to him. AFC championship game back to back years. I remember the how the hell do I remember that?

Yeah. I wasn't even born then. That's crazy. But I remember that, Joe. Because I'm 37 like you. Yeah, yeah, 47. Yeah. But I remember that, Joe.

And that was like, dang, that was crazy. But anyway, do you think the winning is going to... What do you think, Debo? What do you think about what my coach said for my good Browns?

What you think about what Todd Moker just said? Now listen. Now listen. Now, listen. Now, winning. Yes. Winning.

Changes everything. That's what I'm... Okay. Hold up, Joe. All right. Keep on. Yeah. But winning...

Winning at the Browns isn't the same as winning somewhere else. Because, see, Kevin Stefansky, he won in 2020, 11.5, went one-on-one in the playoffs. Barely lost to Kansas City, as Jarvis had told us, just recently. And then in 23, it was 11-6 made the playoffs. Yeah. But ain't winning that time. dog walk by Houston. So I'm not going to say winning for the Cleveland Browns is going to, to, to, to change it all. I'm going to say, now, if I was a Cleveland fan, let me revert back to like

87. Yes, come on. There we go. Get with me. Get with me real quick. Be a Brown fan with me. 87. 87. When I was a child, as I, when I thought as a child, as a child, as I, when I thought as a and our reasoned as a child, this is what I think has to change for the whole culture of the Browns to change. Okay. Consistency of winning back to back to back to back to back to back to back. Okay. Okay. Now, if by some miracle, the Browns would be able to say do three in a row playoff runs where they were to win at least one game one playoff game each of those three years and at some point during that run they would only have to make it to the AFC title just an appearance I ain't saying they got to win it just an appearance

I believe that would change the narrative and the culture because now it's actively being changed with the players who are coming in, with the players who are there, and the players who are used to the old getting their face kicked in are being pushed out now. So if you were able to get, say, three consecutive playoff appearances, You got three years of guys that came in now that don't know what it's like to not make the playoffs. Don't know what it's like to not win.

You building a culture, they're seeing, and they're coming through and building that into, oh, we are the Cleveland Browns, and we go to the playoffs, we win playoff games, we fight to have a chance to go for in Lombardi. I believe that's the only way you truly can change that whole. whole narrative is you're starting with guys coming in and they're being shown and it's being pushed through and you're actually putting the work out there. You're getting the wins. You're in the playoffs. You're pushing through the playoffs.

But it has to be back to back to back to where now it's just like, yo, that's what we do. That's what we do. But let me tell you this right now. I was saying that as a Browns fan, but in all transparency, okay, I. I want you to know, I hope the Browns never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never get there. I hear you what you said, but I'm going to take for what you said at the first part. And that's what you meant. That's your 87 Browns fan.

Oh, okay. And I'm going to take that. When I was eight, nine years old. When you were a child, okay, whatever you say. This is what I'm going to say, Debo. I think the Browns, what he said, winning for sure. but you have to have consistency of keeping your players, resigning your good players,

not letting your guys just walk out of there. Because when you draft good and it's time to pay them, you have to pay them because they're going to go be good somewhere else. Like this is homegrown talent. And when you see the other players that you ended up drafting, they see, man, when you actually like perform here, they treat in-house like in-house. And it makes you start to actually feel,

not like feel like a family, but like you said, when you play with a group of dudes for seven years, eight years, you got those contracts together, you went to their weddings, you actually like spend time with them during the off seasons. It's not just like when you come to a team, it's a new set of dudes. It's like my core guys, I've been kicking it with these dudes for years. We actually do love each other. We actually do have a bond in a relationship and a friendship. So I would say they got to start with when I was there, they let go, me, T.J. Ward, T. John Gibson, Buster Screen, players that ended up having to leave, you could have re-signed them for a little bit of money. Like, nothing crazy. They went out to free agency and

signed regular contracts. You know what I'm saying? Like, you have to keep these players. Like, you have building blocks. You're starting two corners. You're starting two safeties. Resign them if they're in their pro bowl players. Not like you just, you drafted a baller. Resign them. Because you drafted them like, you do that. So keep your homegrown talent. I would say if you do that, that's the biggest. That's not. Not the biggest thing, but that's something where that's going to help your team start being together. And then that's when these do start winning. You have draft classes on top of each other that are staying there and are balling and seeing what's going on.

They start to learn from the vets that would have been there and seeing the change in the changes that's happening. So what you're saying is exactly right. But for me too, I'm just like the consistency of keeping your players, resigning your homegrown talent, not feeling like you need to get them for cheap. No, sign them. Keep them because they did. You drafted them to be what they ended up being. Now it was time to get paid. So pay them.

Keep your crew, keep your team together as long as you can for the good ones. So I would think that was my main thing I would say with the Browns. Because if you do that, then that's when your teams are starting to like really, they win together. They go through stuff together. I know you got high praise for Andrew Barry right now or at least a higher level of praise. Do you think he's a guy that would be smart enough? or foresee him being able to be like, yo, I see these guys work well together

and just keeping that group together and doing what's necessary to make sure they keep that bond. If you guys were able to stack, stack, stack, you know. What happened with me was when we did, I think they started doing it. When the first, they kind of got rid of everybody, I was the last one to fall, and then they started getting talent.

They did get Jarvis Landry. They got Odell Beckham Jr. They had Nick Chubb. They had my man, Chief, the tight end. You know what I'm saying? They had players. Baker Mayfield was the quarterback. And that was when they took the big swing of signing for $250.

So I'm not saying, he's trying to, when that was happening, I'm like, okay, you're bringing talent. You're bringing talent on. That's cool. I just would have wished there if they would have kept Baker Mayfield, signed up for 100 instead of getting the 250. But hindsight is 2020. At that time, Deshaun Watson was a baller.

If he would have came to the team and been the Deshaunne Watson, now I'm looking at the Browns like, okay, y'all are trying to move in the right direction, bringing in talent, bringing in players. So that wasn't, that, when they let me go, I started looking at him like, okay, Andrew Barry, you're actually not, you're bringing in ballers. If you did think I was a little bit older, time to take a pay cut, that's your decision. It's wrong in my opinion, but you're bringing in players. You drafted Denzel Ward after that. Oh my goodness. That's perfect. That dude has been a five-time pro bowler. He's amazing. He's still there. Miles Garrett is still there. These great ones that they have, they still got him there. Joe Bentonio, the lineman,

he just left, but like, they started doing. Why didn't they, why did that pain? I don't know. I think now he's Joe Betonio, what they hit with me with. Like, maybe I don't know now, we got to get some new younger blood. You know what I'm saying? I love you to death, Joe. That's probably what, that's probably what Andrew's on. But I'm not mad at him now because I'm looking at it like, okay, I'm at least seeing that you're trying to bring talent. Now let's see if we can keep the talent, Juckins, the new running back we got, the tight end. Like, let's see how this goes.

This draft. Bring in some more ballers. We got Chador. I like them. Give them some help on the outside. Let's see if we actually do have a quarterback here. You know what I'm saying? So I'm liking the talent.

Just keep, let's see what's going to happen. So I'm not mad at it, but that's kind of how I'm feeling. Mm-hmm. But, again, I don't see. 87, Debo. 87 Debo. Okay. All right.

No, hell, no. You know what, man? I'll let you have it. Let's go. All right. Let's see the Browns do something, you know. You know, that's your birthday, you know. That's your birthday, yeah.

I'm actually going to be like, okay, the Browns could do something. Maybe. You know, because this is the thing, too. We got, we still got time. We don't have to say that it's going to be terrible right now. We still got the draft. We got OTAs. We got a training camp.

They got to do it on the field. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to be blind to like, oh, no. Like, Brown, just, you got to go out there and who? I'm going to say if Shador's bawling, if he's not looking like he's supposed to, when we get the draft, who did we bring in? Are these going to be good pieces? You know what I'm saying? So we still got time, but I'm optimistic.

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