Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Casey Hampton on Steelers Super Bowls, Dick LeBeau & More!

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden are joined by Super Bowl Champion and Pittsburgh Steelers legend Casey Hampton to break down his career, favorite Steelers stories, the latest NFL news and rumors, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Super Bowl memories  08:32 - Steelers locker room stories  19:32 - Casey Hampton deserves Hall of Fame  34:38 - Super Chats   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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but I just think the times that we had off the field and like hanging out together and like on the runs, like, you know, going to New York after the game or city. I never did that. Dibbeau, hey man, you was in there working out, you was in the children. Listen, this, y'all had it already. I was trying to get it. Hey, man, but just, but that's what it was, though, Debo. Like, that's what it was, like, just hanging out,

the camaraderie with our boys, like, like, just, just chilling, man. Like, I think, man, it was a whole other level of, um, of, of, of, of just kicking it and just chilling with people, man, coming back from the game and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, And going out and being- I asked all guys this sort of question and they say the same thing, bro. It was like a movie.

It was like, I can just see it right now. Like the cameras flashed. And it was like it was in a movie. Like that whole thing, like when I played back in my mind going to those Super Bowls and winning the game and after the game, hanging out. You know what I'm saying, the after party at the hotel,

being the trips to Vegas and hanging out. Man, it was like, Hey, man, it's like a movie playing in my head. Like, it's like it's like it wasn't real now. Hey. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't real. But, but, man, like I said, man, the games and stuff was fun,

but chilling with y'all boys. You know what I'm saying? Hey, dude, getting booed to sleep. Man, oh, my good. Hey, man, that's really what it was all about to be, before. That's the thing. Hey, hey, ha, ha.

You know, nobody but Willie Reeve, but Willie Reed. Hey, man. Them boys used to boo each other asleep, man. That's what it was all about, though, man. You know what I'm saying? Frattingizing what you're doing. Yeah, dude, I'll be trying to tell people now on listen. I'm like, dude, I think one of the biggest components that's missing, dude,

it's like guys don't really spend time with each other. I'm like, when I see ham, when I see other guys on the team, I'm like, dude, that's my brother. Like, like real life, real talk. My kids call them uncle, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's real family. there and I don't think people understand that. Like, it's real. Like, I can argue with you.

We could be damn near right about ready to fight and then be cool three minutes later. Like, that's just how it go because it's real life, true family. Hell, like, me and Peezy, we was going back and forth. Like, everybody thought we was beefing. We ain't beefing, no. Hell, that's how we talked. Like, you should have heard us on the phone, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, that's how I suppose to go, though, Divo, when you were real buzz, But what you think it is, though, what do you think it is why these guys, you think it's the type of money they make and they got too much of stuff? I think everybody. Social media. Like, what is it that keeps the guys from being together like that and hanging out like that? Like, you know what I think? I think this is the issue with it is that everybody right now, they want their own sign and they want to outshine whoever is they feel like it's shining more than them. And there's so much me, me, me right now that they can't get together with, you know, each other and be like, yo, this is us.

Right now, dude, we ain't have social media. We weren't looking for the likes. We wasn't looking for the, we wasn't looking for the comments. We wasn't looking for the followers, bro. Like, if we had social media back there, this right here, this horn right here, with hemp like this with a shirt off, that would have been everywhere. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

I ain't saying that hemp was doing. doing that, but yeah, Han was doing that, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was automatic. Half the shit we did when we was playing, man, out, being out, man, that stuff would have been so viral. Dude, we in one spot 30 deeps, bruh, everybody's shirt off. Yeah, we would have been trouble. Like, we would have been, we would have been, we would have been, we would have been a whole lot of team meetings on our activities outside. I think a lot of times they probably heard about it, but I think seeing it would have been.

a whole lot, yeah, a series of things we were doing would have been a whole lot different than hearing about, you know what I'm saying? No doubt about it. Yeah, I think, I think the, you know, the built up of the, like I said, it's all the social media, the likes, everything, everybody wanting to have their own shine, you know, be bigger than this, you know, that's and that, you know, it's crazy, bro, you got active players with podcasts and all that stuff. Like, how you're going to be an active player than going there? Like, it's going to be some tough questions you might have to deal with, man. You know what I'm saying? And then the time that it takes to do it to prepare for it, to be

ready for it. Like you're taking away from other time that hell, like you said, we could be fraternizing. Yeah. But you're doing your podcast, doing your thing. I guess hey man, there's so many streams of money, Deepo, you can't, I guess you can't knock the people No, I can't never knock you for making

your bread. But, you know, at the same, at the same point in time, man, you want to build something and get the championships or you just want to make money? Yeah. That's what it boiled down to. And I think a lot of these cats, they want to get that bread, they want to get to that bread. I don't, I definitely don't think the

championship is valued the same way that it was, when we were, when we were playing. You know what I mean? I think, I think guys talk about it. I think guys act like it, but I think the money, the money, the money, the money's always been a big factor, but I think it's just the overwhelming fact now, you know what I'm saying. You got to think about it now. Don't float your both, but I just think that's really what it is, you know what I mean? Yeah, well, I mean, you got think about it now. You got, you know, you got guys in college, you know, making millions of dollars, you know? And what's to motivate you now?

Like, I understand, like, yeah, you want to make more money, but, like, that drive, that motivation to get better and be that top dog at the next level. Is it just now I just want to get some more money? Or, like, because you have a whole bunch of cash that make money, you know, in college, and then that's it. Like, they don't get to the money in the NFL. But you got guys even in the NFL, Dibbo, you got guys retiring. They're making so much money.

They're retiring at 28, 29, 30 years old. Bibo, I don't give a damn how much money I made. I'm not retiring at no 30 years old if I still got something. I love it. Hey, I was about to say it's the love of the game, man. It's the love of the game. Like the money, like I give me all that. I ain't tripping.

But going out there competing, like, That means something to me. Like, you know what I mean? That's what it's all the feet, man, going against the other man, mono-o-mono, whooping him, you know what I'm saying? It pulls my way on him,

making him, you know what I'm saying? Yes. Like, that's what I'm on. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what, that's what I'm playing past 30 years,

30 years or 32 or playing Trican. Right. I want to be in there damn near 40 whooping on, whooping on somebody that's half my age. You know what I'm saying? Like, yes, I feel good about that. You got old man.

You wasn't even born when I was in, you know, around in high school. And now you, you out here getting first round money. I'm putting my hands on you making you look bad in front of your people. You know what I'm saying? Like, like... The motorbases are different. Those boys don't have that motivation like that. They don't look at it the same way, man.

I got to go home to my son. I can't let you whip on me and then have my gut get home to my son. Now he's thinking about he got a chance. Yeah, older boys. Now, when you're older now, your sons ain't young no more. they look when you get whoop they're looking at you right like put on

man I think I got a chance yeah he ain't what he used to be he ain't what he used to be no hey man you can't have you can't have no man rise up and just throw you down to the ground

and then you got to go home to your son talking about you ain't do that to that guard you ain't do that to that guard you ain't say that to that guard no doubt about it Hey, Hemp, listen here, man. I don't think people understand the comedy that would go on, especially with you and foot, bro,

if the damn running back got four yards. And if the run, listen, listen, I'm going to tell you all right now, Ham had a problem if anybody ran the ball. He already pissed off that he holding on to two people, right? He's taking two. They can't move him. I mean, literally he just. right here with two 300,

340 pound center and the damn guard just holding them right there. They're trying to push him off. They can't get him off the line. Now, if the runnerback got anything more than three yards and don't let him get four yards on back-to-back plays,

this right here is ham. Damn, what y'all doing back there? Y'all, y'all ain't doing nothing. Y'all go tackle somebody? What the hell am I doing this for? bro. Listen, Chad, these boys,

foot and hat would be arguing so hard. The ref was about to throw a flag on us, dude. Like the actual ref was going to throw a flag on us, dude, because we were arguing, they were arguing with each other, not we, them two was arguing with each other, man. Why do you in foot had this sort of relationship,

brother? Why did y'all have that sort of relationship? Man, you, first of all, you know foot is the most argumentous person ever. Like he got something to say absolutely about any and everything. But man, my thing...

That might be Detroit. Yeah, no, you know what I'm saying? But my thing is this, man. I got two on me like two. You know what I'm saying? And then I turn around and running back is running. He's five, six yards down and feel like my guy. Like, if it's two on me, you've got to step up and get them off of me

Oh, you got to make the tackle. Do something. You know what I'm saying? Foot, but foot, man, is never his fault. It's always, he, when the dude run the ball, he want to look at the,

uh, John Bolton, look at the replay. Now, I don't need, well, don't look at the replay. You know what I'm saying? Get, get you, get up, man, you tripping, you're tripping foot. You know what I'm saying? No, man, foot my, my God, though. And foot, foot just like to argue about everything,

and that, and that's what it is. But me and foot, main arguments would be, is if I'm out there and I'm making tackles and I'm doing my thing and he ain't getting no tackles or like he'll wake the defensive line he'll wake the old lineman up and be like goddamn you're gonna block him today

you're gonna like you know what I'm saying like he's telling an offer I'm like foot he's sleep why you want to wet the dude up let him stay asleep man like why you want to cause problems for me man let me just keep on whooping this dude man and get my thing He's mad because I'm making plays. He ain't.

He wanted to tell a dude to block me, man. Foot crazy. Foot going to do that. Foot can't call on. No. Be too busy arguing. He arguing after every play. He fussing about nothing.

Like, I mean, like, I heard foot just have arguments and just be cursing and just talking. I'd be like, foot, you ain't even talking about a little. I think it's like how you get itself going, man. You know what I'm saying? He just fuss and argue with people, man. But like, it was crazy, man. And Posse the same way.

I get the bitch in and crying and doing all that. Posit, hey, him, get you, shut your fat ass up and getting a, you know what I'm saying? You know, Posit, you know, Posit, quiet. When Posit you said, you know, he got that voice and saying so smooth, man. Shut your fat ass up. Set up your fat ass up and getting a hug. You know, I have to say so, man. Let me go on here getting his huddle, man.

Oh, my God. Them boys stayed. Them boys stayed on me. Brum, I mean, that's. And that's something else, dude, like the accountability to each other and being able to say something to somebody and them not take it as them being attacked. Like, yo, dude, like, if I can't talk to you, correct you or tell you what the hell you're doing wrong or be like, yo, what the hell are you doing wrong? We got a problem. Like, everybody's so sensitive nowadays, dude.

It's ridiculous. I think, man, I think with us, like back in the day, I know especially with me, they run the bus. they run the ball and people saying they say something to me I don't look at it like you getting on me I feel like oh so you saying I'm the problem let me show you that I ain't the month let me show you I don't think they have that type of attitude I feel like why you worried about me no you need to worry about me and I need to worry about you that's what's going to make it better you know what I'm saying

I don't think they they don't have that in them everybody's so sensitive about everything please call me out if I'm the problem please let me know that I'm the problem. Like, I want you to be on my ass because that's going to make me step my shit up. You know what I mean? No question, bro. Listen, so the big thing,

especially with Coach LeBow, like, yo, everybody got to do their 11. If one dude messes up, that can strike up the whole band on that. Like, it's nothing that can't get corrected or be stopped as long as we are all on the same page, even if they hit the defense, he would always tell us, yo, all right, if they, if this happens, that's on the, that's on the defense, make the tackle, you know, they usually may get, you know,

somewhere between eight or ten at the words, 12 maybe. And, you know, we make the tackle and he'd say, you know, you just put that on me. It's no, it's no accountability from anybody now. It's everybody pointing the fingers as somebody else. It's always somebody else's fault. There's nobody that got like, yo, that was me. I'm going to get that shit corrected. like I just don't I don't know man I think um I think if the second man these dudes man it ain't it ain't no excuse because if the same defense is called and everybody running the same defense like it is it is it is what it is like you can see who's tricking it off or who messing it up you just got to be able to accept criticism you know what I'm saying you got to be accepted and move on you know what I mean and I hope and I hope these guys you know what I mean they own that I haven't been in that locker room so you've got to be able to accept criticism you know what I'm saying you

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four or five different situations that were happening that you know I you know I heard about where like yeah yeah oh yeah why don't y'all move you know so and so here no and they don't want to be there they can't get this you know what I'm saying can't do that man it's an awful one I ain't about no one person I ain't no doubt about that

You know what I mean? That's what makes a defense great, man. It's about sacrifice. Man, you think, like I tell people all the time, like we just talk about, I only have my team in tacos. My last two years, you think I don't want to go out there and make plays

and get talents for loss and run down the line and make titles and stuff like that. Man, it took a lot. You know what I'm saying? For me, when I first got there, because I never really knew about that type of defense when you hold the linemen up all you,

and that's all you really doing. You know what I'm saying? So I had to really sacrifice a lot. Oh, yes. A sacrifice a lot. But it was easy for me because I came into a system and I had a defensive line coach and Coach Mitch and I had Aaron Smith who was already there like

and Kimo Von O'O'Haw. And I had those guys who were already already there. Oval was super unselfish. Super selfish. Could have been elite at their position doing different things. But they were elite at what they did. But they could have been. did way more but sacrifice for the team for the good of the team and i've seen that you know what i'm

who am i to do anything different man i just fall right in line and do the same thing and how can you be mad when the defense and the run defense is as successful as we were all those times that's when you get to joy i love man that the team team success and i think a lot of that is missing because guys trying to get that bread you know what i mean they're trying to get that bread or they're trying to get that shine, whatever that, it all leads to the paper at the end of the day. But, you know, once you get the paper, you want to show that, yo, I'm worth the paper. So now you're looking for the numbers in whatever area that may be.

And if it's not conducive to, you know, you being able to do that at a X, Y, Z, then that's, you know, that's just not what you, you know, that's just not what you're going to do. I don't know how, dude, for you to lead your and then have to come, you let your team in tackles, bro, and then come to the Pittsburgh Steelers, where the first thing Coach LeBow tell his D-line is, you are here so my linebackers can run. You are here so my linebackers can run. Not even that, man. What's so crazy is like, it's like, when I get there,

like you had been and slid through the line and made a tackle and Mitch will come yelling at you, mad at you, that ain't your damn play to make. You don't do that. Your job is a whole line up and don't. I'm like, God damn, man, I'm thinking I didn't did an excellent job. You know what I did? But it's all about the search.

How did that make you feel the first time he did that, though? Oh, you know I was tripping. No doubt about it. I was so high. I'm like, man, it's tripping, man. Like, what is he talking to? Man, I'm not made the tackle. Dude, they made no yours.

He mad at me. You know what I'm saying? But what made me not trip is he's doing it with everybody. You know what I'm saying? Everybody is the same way. Like, that ain't too pretty weak, man. That ain't true. Man, Mitch, one thing I can say, man, is having a coach that's consistently the same

and all ways like that no matter what. Man, you have no damn choice, dude. Like, he is not trying to hear nothing you're talking about. And that's just what it's going to be. You're going to hold these linemen off. these linebackers and these linebacks are going to make these plays because they're still awake. You know what I'm saying? When you watch film.

Listen, you came into a system where you saw guys that were already bought in. You saw a coach that coached everybody the same that gave you exactly what it was that you needed to do at the position, not the player. You don't give a damn about the players about the position and what I need you to do at it. I ain't go lie to you, but you did it the best ever that I don't seem, brother. I don't know why you ain't in the Hall of Fame, you know what I'm saying? like they're tripping. They don't understand the things that don't have numbers attached to it.

You know what I'm saying? As far as I'm concerned, Brad, coldest, coldest nose tagger ever played a game. It ain't nobody that done did it better than you. Like, as far as the ability to be able, like, dude, without you as anchor on that defense, brough, for those years, we don't come close to having, what is it, four or five number ones over that course of time, bro. It was right. I think what was different with us, too, though, with our nose, what a bow is we played the true three, four. It wasn't no backdoor.

It wasn't no get reached and just come behind the block. I had to stay front side. Like, that's what made our defense what it was, man. And like, you know what I'm saying? We stayed true to the old school three, four, and didn't give it. Because, like, guys weren't even trying to block me no more. Guys will just take off running and just try to get me running sideway. You just try to just try to tie me up.

But LeBow made us stay true. Like, I used to want to play the plus and get up the field and things like that. But LeBow was like, Ham, our best defense is tight. Like, that's when you play tight, well, that's when we play the best. You know what I'm saying? So that's what it was. And that tight, you just in that zero, getting your, ass ate up, man.

It just taking them blocks on, man, trying to stay front side to best you can and holding on, man. It just made a career out. Made it, made a career out of it, man. And just, I don't know. It wasn't easy. Here's the crazy thing, Ham.

What 95% of people don't know is, a true 3-4 ain't been ran since 2012. Even though the boat was there in 13 and 14, we know it ain't been ran since 2012. It was changed in 13. Really? It was changed. Certain aspects of it was changed. And it's been changed a little bit more in each year after that to the point of in 14 when, you know, they ended up letting him go after 14, I believe it was.

Or was it 16? I think it was. So I came back out of retirement. I came back in 14. So I came, I retired in 14. Then I came back in 14. It wasn't played the same no more. They played different.

They played certain things that were different, bro. It ain't been that true. Was the both still there, though? The boat was still there at 14 when I came back. So was they playing the true zero? They were slanting. They were doing all. It was.

More moving. It was. was also just like as far as your linebackers your linebackers you're doing was different too like yeah it's it ain't that that true but debo that probably i know they was rushing a lot more though but in 13 i think i went to cincinnati so in 12 remember when you your last year was 12 right no yeah my last okay we were one that year so it was it was one one two five one one that was to 2012. And then

13, it was like 16, 14, it was 19 something, and then it didn't come back up until after like 17, 18, 19, I think it got to like four is five and six is three, three, four, five, and six or something like that.

For like a period of like three to four years, something like that. And then it went, it went, it went back down again. He was rated to the teams? Oh, yes. 13? 14?

Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That was a long time. I remember yesterday. I remember way back then. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, but that true, like the one that you ran in 12 was changed up in 13.

And it was mostly changed to like to assist with getting, you know, players to be able to play without having. to learn as much. So things were... Boy, you really got to be... You got to know. You got to know it. It ain't easy. Deep, boy, it took your whole time to learn.

Exactly. It took me a good two years, bro. Good two years. Because I was so lost the first two years, bro, I didn't even try. I was like, I ain't going to be able to learn this shit. Bray, I don't even know what's going on. But after I went and sat down,

I was like, you know what? You got to take the time to be a true professor. Bray my bed on the floor. slept on the floor, bro, just be there all night. And something else, dude, Coast LaBeau. Coastal Bow explained it so easily. And then the extra time that I spent with butts, bro, it was the greatest help that everyone along,

like, without... What a little time you hauled at butts? Huh? Man, I ain't seen butts since he slapped me in the back at a... What is that? the breakfast restaurant. Man, he elbowed the hell out of me in my back.

Man, I turned around. I was about to fire off on. Then I saw it with him, bro. He was like, hey, boom, and just hitting him. I was like, what? Bro, I was ready to fire off. Bro. That was like last year sometime, bro.

And here's you to tap, but he was the tip over, man. But you can go to. No, no. I was, bro, he, you know how he gave me that forearm shiver, but I wasn't, I ain't even seen. He was, you know, he was with his wife. Juanita. He was with Juanita.

Juanita, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she's got better running him because busts with the hips, he ain't got to make it up. Bro, bro. Man, we got to listen here, bro. I want to thank you, bro, for coming on,

but we go jump into these super chats. Bro, you got anything that's going on before we jump into that? Would you got anything that you're into you want to talk about before we jumping in these super chats because these people are going to be asking you some questions? I ain't know

I ain't in that man I'm out of I'm sit back chilling man Max and relaxing I'm just enjoying Oh shit that's the case

then listen man Let me ask you about The new coach What do you think of the new coach We got man In direction we're going With the stillis Um

I mean I I he'll win in coach I mean he's a proven winning coach Um That's all That's all you can really ask for You know what I'm saying Approve

Coach, they say he's the greater development quarterback. Yes, we need that. So, I mean, with his age, is he the long-term, is he the long-term guy? I mean, just to get us started off, to start to get our quarterback going. I don't know, man, but I like the fact that he's won everywhere he's went. So I like that aspect of it. So hopefully, man, we'll keep that up, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Definitely. Hey, you see he hired Domita, Pecco. Yeah, the DeLyloin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he played for Cincinnati. Yeah, no doubt about that. Yeah, he was coached. He was coaching, he was a assistant, right? He was in, I want to say, was it Colorado?

Probably so. I think so. As long as he was doing, he damn so good. But he's one of those guys that was, you know, He was like he was, he was more, I'm just talking to him, you know, off season and talking to him. He was more of a, yo, you guys got to hold this down so they can, you know, be able to, that's where his, his thought process, you know, was.

And as far as for his, his whole D-line as far as how it operated with a three, four in, in that sense. So that's a good thing, especially now. Might be good stuff. We did, but all those guys going to be able to adjust to that. Because them guys ain't used to holding nobody. They ain't, dang, they ain't, they ain't go, they ain't going to have no choice. It ain't going to be about what you want. It's going to be about what's best for the team.

You got to, you got to buy in. You be going back true three, four? I don't know exactly how they are going to run it, but I'm assuming they're going to go. It ain't going to be that Dick LeBow style because, you know, Dick got his own thing that, you know, like he ain't even got a playbook. You know, all his stuff is in his head. actually was uh i'm actually trying to figure out a time where i could go and sit down with him for about a hot week and in and get it you get it up out of there you know what i'm saying yeah that boy he got he got he got all right too that's what's pretty dude people don't

understand how difficult it is to sit there as help how many defenses do you think we went over in training camp right like we went over what a hundred plus like we had 40 blitzes and then another whatever it was off of those blitzes. So everything that we had a blitz off of, we had something that didn't blitz that gave it teeth and then something that was the opposite of it

that gave the other two teeth. Like people don't understand like once you change, same thing we were talking about, how they change the defense. Well, you change what this dude is doing. You take away the teeth of three, four other defenses. Now you can't even use them. Because you don't change the aspect of it.

But we're running the same shit over and they couldn't stop this shit, you know. Oh, no question. No question. How many times we'd be on the side and Coast of Boa come through at least, I'd say once every

maybe four, six games. Hey, y'all remember that defense we ran in training camp, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, we're about to run that next series because he's standing over there on the sideline. see something and he connects that all the way from damn August, bro, like, oh, that's going to work here.

But you know, LeBow has a photographic memory, though. LeBow can tell you about a damn play 20 years ago. What happened? Was it raining? He remember, like, he told you from his playing days at practice. That's crazy, man. That's what's crazy about LeBoebeau. He has a photographic memory.

He remembers everything, dude, everything. Bray, I wish I had that, bro. I'd be like, what you do yesterday? I'd be like, what the fuck did I do yesterday? God. Oh, the same. Oh, shit, I did. I turned 48 yesterday.

That's what it was. That's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How old is you help? I am 48. I'm 48. What year was you born? 77, though.

You was born in 77 though, right? Yeah, you're ass old. Yeah, you're 50. You about to be 50. You're 49. You're about to be 49. You're about to be 49. You're born in 77.

Yeah, I'm about. Yeah, but you're 48, right? You about to be 49. Let's not talk about what you go be this year. Okay. You 49. Nah. Debo, I'll be 49 this year, man.

Might as well be 50, shit. Might as well be 50. When is your birthday? Yesterday. Hey, you get your AARP card, bro. I ain't got one of them to be both. Listen, it ain't for, I'm trying to tell you, bro, you better get one. Listen, see, Ham, you, you, you and Joe, y'all got that money, man.

I ain't got that money like that, man. I got to get the discount wherever I can, man. Man, listen, get you this AARP car, bro. You get discounts on everything. Insurance, bruh, you name it. Oh, you got to be 18 and older. It ain't for old people. no more, bro.

What do it do? You get discounts on everything, everything. Listen, man, you think flights, hotels, whatever, man, discounts on everything, bro. On your insurance, everything. I'm going to check that out. On their website, bro.

Get you what I'm trying to tell you here. Especially as much as you like to travel. You're talking about like 35% off on rental calls? They've been sending me out on my email. I thought that was they were sending it to the wrong person. Hey man, I thought that was for, I was like, hey, they were sending that shit to me too. And I was like, you know what the hell would? Let me check it out.

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I said, man, let me check it out. immediately, dude, cell phone discount, dude. It dropped my cell phone by like 40, 50 bucks a month. Bro, it ain't nothing but like 20 bucks a month. I'm with a discount. Right.

30, 35% off rental, car rentals, flights. Come on. Bro, I'm trying to tell you. And they, listen, y'all think this shit is a commercial. This ain't a commercial, bro.

I'm trying to tell you, bro. I don't, we ain't got no AARP sponsor. B, bro, that's what I'm gonna say. You must be, they must be your fault. No, I'm dead serious, bro. Zero. I'll take one, though. You're damn right.

Hey, y'all come holl at your boy. Shit. I'll tell you that right now, but I will take one. Dead serious, bro. I need to get you one of them. I'm-ne-to-get-you-wonding. I'm-old. I'm definitely on it.

Boy, you crazy as hell, bad, boy. I'm true. I thought I was tripping when they were sending that to my email, man. I'm like, what are they sent me? That's what they were sending it to me, too, and I was scared. that if I took it, I was going to admit I was old. But I started looking at it. I read into it, and it's for 18 and older.

They took away that age thing. You know what I'm saying? So if you're 18 or older, your son can have it. You get discount. And health, everything, health is your problem. I'm trying to tell you. $20. $20.

You know me and $20. $20. $20. Like I said, it already paid for itself with just the phone, the cell phones. That's it. That's it. Bra. Super Chat.

We got Erica Bo, 5-8, 5-2, $5.5. Debo for NFL Commissioner, let's go. No. They want me for NFL Commission. Devo for NFL Commissioner. Let them boys hit again. Listen, ain't nobody bringing it. back hitting. Tell him.

Ain't nobody. Well, they don't. Not the kind of hitting we was doing, bro. They stay scared of that, man. They're somebody going to get really, really hurt. Man, these boys is bigger, faster, stronger. Lebo, somebody can't get hurt, man. They can't let them boys do that. That's the NFL's biggest

fear of somebody dying out down that fear. That's their biggest fear, Debo. They don't want that. Oh, it didn't already happen. They ain't never happen before, Debo. Yes, he did. When was this? bruh look it up

kill somebody out there I wasn't me it was a Detroit line I believe they don't want that happen if it did happen I want that shit

to happen it was like 70 80s look it up I know that's crazy they don't want that shit to happen again that's crazy that we'll

that a that era Chuck Hughes 1971 and they let that shit go on way after that

until they started getting them cases them suits. Yeah. Well, I think the head injury stuff had a lot to do with it too. Yeah, that's what happened. They were getting sued for the concussion lawsuits.

Debo, you know, we had a, well, y'all had a lot. Well, I kind of started it. Like, you know what I'm saying? Y'all, y'all was a knockout artist, but, you know, my mind was in the bus way before y'all, people. I ain't a lie. You put Eddie George asleep, though. Yeah, man.

Night night night that boy. He hit that boy so hard over there in that playoff game. That was the first game that I went to. I was actually active for, bro. Oh, my Lord, you could hear it from the side of it. He said, oh, then he just went limp. I said, oh, Lord. What was wrong with us, man, back in the day, being happy for knocking somebody out?

It wasn't nothing. Ham, ain't nothing wrong with that. What are you talking about? It was celebrating. What are you talking about? It was. It was. You got jacked up.

You don't remember all of them. When disaster hits. Like they were selling that shit, bro. You wanted to be on there. Not getting hit, but you wanted to be putting somebody to sleep. They added sound effects to that stuff. Yeah, no doubt about it. No doubt about it.

It meant you want to get your body back in the day. Oh, yes. That's what the league was selling. You want to get your body. Brud, that's what the league was selling, bro. Well, after I caught my body, man, I kind of felt bad at Dibbon. I just wanted to get him on the ground. that man. I just had I had to prove I was capable of that.

I had to prove I was capable of that. You know what I'm saying? But I didn't I just wanted to get him on the ground. I just want to get him on the ground because I was I was I had my you want to throw a pillow down there too so he don't hit the ground too hard make sure that none of them senders pop up in his eye and then the rubbers pop up in his eye like what the people man you're too violent man like Debo man we're old and not man. I don't want to do it now or off the side I don't want to do it now ham but back then I did I'm a change man.

Ham, like I said, I sit in my lawyer and savior camp. I'm good. I'm saved. Like, I'm better. I ain't good. I'm fighting. Fight for my life every day, ham. But you're doing the right thing.

You're different from the right there. I'm better than I was, you know. And that's all I could, that's all I can hope for right now. Well, day to day getting better, man. That's all you can ask for. For sure. We got boss man, $930975. What did you and Troy say to each other when you knew you couldn't catch Larry Gerald in Super Bowl 43?

And when? Bebo, why was you running so hard? I was trying to catch him. Bibo, you had zero action. Listen, he did not pull away from me. I just couldn't catch up to me. Look at the film I promise you

Look at it Stop it You look like a robocop chasing that dude Man Look at the film I promise you Look at the film I could not catch up twin

But he was not leaving me bro I stayed the same distance I promise you bro Until I realized He was about the 10 yard line I was already like five yards behind him I was like I'm not going to catch him.

Lebo, in your mind, did you feel like you was gaining? No, I knew I wasn't. But you were just so mad. You just drop ball, do anything that you just want to do something. I was, I'm like, in my head, bro, I'm like, oh my God, we just lost the fucking game. And I'm like, I couldn't catch him. I'm like, I just fucking lost us the game. No, you?

It don't matter, bro. That's why I was chasing him so hard. You felt like that was your fault. I knew it wasn't my fault, but I was there. I could have got there. I felt like I could have got there and I couldn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, bro.

Well, they got it back for us, Steve, Bo. I was so mad when they called that fake hold on, on what's the name in the goal line. When they called the fake hold, when, what was it? Who was our center at that time? He got ran over, and they said he held. He didn't hold.

And Tone caught the ball. It was the first down. Game would have been over with. Who did read? Who was, who was, who was, who was the center? Was it Hart, Hart, Hart, it was it. No, it wasn't Jeff.

No, it wasn't Jeff. What's the other one? Hartwig. Hartwig. Yeah. That's what was. He didn't get, he didn't hold him. He just got ran over,

dude fell over top of him. Yeah. And it looked like, yeah. It didn't even look like, oh, he just, like this. He, he, he, and it was like, oh, it's a hoady, put him down. Oh, you're going to look back for the flag too, though. No matter how you fall, you're going to touch your leg or did something.

Br, I was like, bro, dude, I'm still distraught thinking about it. Br, that's PTSD right there, but like, I'm, I was, you got to be kidding me. When he took a, you got the fuck. Oh, man, I could not believe it, boy. And have you chasing Bibo? I knew he was out of that, too. I want to let you know that. When you were the last line of defense,

I knew it was a touchdown. I hate to get him, but when I see him chasing him, I'm like, oh, it's a touchdown. I came in to chase him from this side like this, and he was already turning. I'm like, I'm looking. I'm like, ain't nobody in front of him.

I'm like, oh, man. We was out of that, Deepo. We was out of that, man. Me and Troy did not say nothing to each other. I don't, we didn't, did anybody talk to anybody after that day? damn play, bro. No, we just had that look on our face.

I think everybody was like, I can't believe we just tricked this game on. That's, that's everybody. Well, we're like, yo, we the coldest defense out here and we just lost this game. That's exactly what it was. But it came out how I'm supposed to be, man.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Team game, B, and that was a team win. That's a football. That was a team where they built us out. 100% they built us out. They built us out, man. We needed that, Jack. No doubt.

Willie and Keys will close it out at the end. That tone get his shine on one time. We got Mike and Mike $105. He said, what up? Debo and Casey's show. Okay. Casey, that picture of Park and Biggie is dope-ass. I can say that.

Dope as shit. I ain't supposed to be cussing because I'm trying not to cuss. You know, I'm trying to clean up my, you know, I'm trying to clean up my vocals. You know what I'm saying? I ain't trying to be, but I said it. Sometimes I cussed a lot, but then I don't, you know, I'm not lost to fight, you know. I ain't been fighting though, so I'm good right now. He said, what is your favorite Tupac and also your favorite Biggie song?

What's your favorite Tupac and your favorite biggie song? I already know what my favorite Tupac song is. I'm not a song guy. I'm not a favorite song. Hell married. I'm a all up. I'm definitely hell married. But I'm going to go, because I was.

I was in college when all eyes on me came out. So I'm going to ride it all the way out. The whole thing. I'm going to give you the whole thing. So I'm going to ride the, if I can't rise your whole CD out, it ain't really popping me. CD? What's a CD, Hemp? It was a CD in 96.

Hey, a lot of people here don't know with no CD is. They don't know what no CD is, Hemp. I got it, man. I had that life after. and I had it all eyes on me. CD. Rolling. That's what Debo, man.

But you ain't had CDs? Yeah, I had CDs, bro. They didn't. The chat didn't. I know they ain't had no CDs, bro. Asked me about Biggie and Tupac. And I said CD, because that's what I was rocking at the time.

I'm pretty sure they don't know what a CD is. They ain't, they never probably even seen one. Google it. Google CD, chat. Google what a CD is, baby. Y'all go, y'all go find out. Or hit chat, GP. or DBT, ABC.

You know? You don't know. You know the CDs from back in the day you threw away. Oh, I still got some CD. I could turn around. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

I got here. This is what you're all looking at. It's like this. It looks like this. Come on, man. Come on. You look like this. You know what I said.

I told you. Listen, man. I told you. Listen, man. I told you. I'm trying to pull the CD out there. Listen, him. Listen, him.

Listen, I'm trying to tell you, I'm living, you know, I'm living meagally, you know what I'm saying? I still got a VHS too. I can pull out the VHS tape too now. Hey, Hamph, hold up. I got something for you, Ham, hold up. I got something for you, Hamp. I just thought about that.

I'm glad you said that. Hamstring. Hamstrang. Where we at, hamstrang? Hamstrang. Oh, that's the old school right there. Amstrike, where we had, hamstrang. They don't know about the Polaroid.

They don't know about the Polaroid. Hey, hey, hey, hold on. Hold on. Hey, hey, hold on. I got it. I got a Peezy, too. I got a Peezy too. Brough, all these.

Remember the show? All of them. Hemp. Hemp. Listen, Hemp. Hold on. Let me make sure. That's the, that's the club, man.

That's the club taking them picture. Brow. Do straight from the club. Yes, bro. Brow. Come on, man. Hey. Hey.

Listen, Ham, I got a. bro, I got so many in here, bro. Oh, this is a wild one right there. But I bet you can't name the club each one at, though, D'Ey. Huh? I bet you don't remember which club you was. I could tell you. I could tell you, let me.

All right I do is look at the background. It was either, what's the one right there, bar room? Deja vu. Deja vu. They did. Who's had a cameraman up in there, no doubt. The one dude, the little... um handy capable dude yeah uh what's his name right now he's always he would come through

wherever we was gonna be at i will die too for sure for sure he think the same i'm mad about that he'd be moving his fingers all yeah yeah i can't even think of his name though i can't think of his name that's crazy hey pot dog bro i told you bro he he's out of bro why we're why was we're wearing a big close that bid, man. Br, RIP, my man, Clark Hayden. Man, AAA, man, AAA. Yeah, sir. I got all this, bro.

I got a whole bunch, bro. I got a hold up. They don't know about young Ben. They don't know about Young Ben in there with him. Do he has a piece of chain of faith in? Hey, hey. Hey, they don't remember that piece of chain, Fade, Ben.

Yes, sir. For the show, man, for the show. And we got Mike and Mike 100. He said ARP about to put Debo in commercial. Yeah, they need to. Yeah, yeah. For sure, for show. And they need to have me on them.

No question. I'll put a ass. I put big snack on. You know? For sure. Look here, brother, I want to thank you, man, for coming on, spending some time with me, man. Having a little bit of talk again.

Appreciate you. You know, I believe you should be in the Hall of Fame. I don't know what they're waiting on. I don't know what they process is. I don't know what their problem is. But hell, they ain't let, shit. They ain't even let bill in there. So I know shit.

All right. You can't do no truth. And you can't do zero trip. Hey. Oh, shit. Hey, Debo. One more picture. The most iconic one of all time.

Let me see it. The most iconic one of all time. Hold on. for show for show hell yeah that's the one right there people yes sir that's the most iconic

that's still sitting up there with the trophy yeah yeah man hell yeah man appreciate you brother again man thank you

it was good going down memory lane with you brother everybody we want to thank you for watching the show We want to tell you to go, like, subscribe, and download where you get your podcast. And we will be back here.

I will be back here. Hemp ain't going to be back here. But I will. Hey, next time, man, you got to have Joe on the show, too, with me, man. You know, you know, you're not cheating. I ain't cheat you. He had, he had, listen, he had, he had, he had a family emergency. Tell Joe, man.

I'm a tell you. When you talk down on him, all that, I'll be taking up for him. No. No. I ain't going to lie to you, bro. This is really what happened, bro. He was like, I don't really fuck with him like that. I ain't coming on it.

Oh, give me back on the show. I got some. I got you. I'm here. We're going to get you back on here, for sure. For sure. Okay, okay. We'll get you back on here for show for show.

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