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Sports Illustrate, they released the rankings of the top five best rookie quarterback
performances from week one.
So five, we had the Bucks quarterback.
Is that Jalen Daniels?
Who is Jay Long?
It's not the other one.
It's not Jay, then it's Jlon.
Okay.
Okay.
The Raven.
He had an interception.
though. I don't think that's too good.
He had interception. He was 24, so they ain't 22?
Yeah, he threw for 224, but he also threw a pick.
And the tug. Okay.
All right. You got the Raiders.
Your boy, Mendoza.
Solid. Yeah, he did all right. He did all right. He did all right.
Todd Simpson, Spass.
He spasped out. He went 21 for 25.
He went on here and got a 192 tudies, a 125 quarterback rating.
That's all right.
You know who took the show?
They had some boy over there.
They had some boy over there
and named, from the Pittsburgh Stillers,
named Drew Aller.
He went 10 to 13, 153 yards,
two touchdown to 1504.8 quarterback rating,
and he ran one in for a touchdown.
Hey.
Yes, sir.
Hey, Joe.
Hey, Joe.
That's why that man, Jersey immediately sold out
right after the game.
They ain't had no jersey,
left in the Steelers shop.
Gone.
Deservantly so.
No, man, we got to chill.
It's preseason, look, it's preseason game one.
I'm just telling you, Joe, listen.
They got to go buy the jersey.
It's preseason.
Listen, listen.
Listen, the Steelers feel real good about Durala.
I feel good about Durala.
Matter of fact, the Stilis felt so good about Dural that Mike McClurellis felt so good about Dural
that Mike McClest.
McCarthy says, he was, or they feel he is a first round pick.
Oh, Joe.
They say, the man, the man, the man, the man could have been a first round pick
or should have been a first round pick.
However you want to put it.
Joseph, Joseph, look, look, this is what you got to understand, brother.
He said, Mike McCarthy said, quote,
when we drafted, Drew, it's it, Alan?
Yes.
There you go.
We felt like we were getting a first round pick.
That's what he said.
That's what he said, Joe.
And then all you people out there talking about,
why didn't draft him in the first round, all that other.
Because you didn't listen to the whole concept of what it was said.
You got to get into the fine print.
You got to listen to all of it.
He said, based off of his junior year, then he got hurt.
Read a little more.
Hell, I'm just saying, I think it was a Browns fan that said it.
It had to be a Browns fan to say it.
Because, you know, y'all, y'all just up here,
because there's probably a lot of y'all in there right now talking goofy crazy
or something like that, you know what I'm saying?
Listen, as a Browns fan, I know y'all, you know,
y'all need to, like, watch and listen.
Like, it's, I know you, you may not.
Not really much, you know?
Like, I don't know.
I think, I think that's why, like, Browns fans, like, that's why they bark.
Because, like, you know how a dog just start barking when they hear a sound?
That's y'all.
Y'all don't know what you're hearing.
They're bark, bark, bark.
And then, you know, I'm assuming, like, Brown fans probably blind because y'all keep them
same colors.
Joe, I'm sorry.
I understand.
I don't know.
Why are you going to smack with the Browns fans right now?
No, I was, I was, I don't know, man.
I think I had, I think I had a brown overload.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, you were being real nice.
I think I had too much positivity going on.
It was too much positivity.
He was being too nice to A.B.
Now you just want to take it out on me because I'm left.
Hey, hey, you know, it's like when you get that food that tastes real, real good
and you just keep eating it and eating it until you got to go to the bathroom and throw up
because you're going to ate so much.
That's where I was.
Anyway, man, anyway.
Just to...
Listen, I'm sorry.
It's the quarterbacks...
This is what I realized, too, when I watched our game, Dibald.
I got to go back.
We, the depth.
We don't have too much depth.
But when our starters are out there, our starters are solid.
So everybody got to stay healthy.
Off the floor?
It wasn't too...
At the beginning, I mean, yeah, yeah.
they still got to get some,
they still got to get some camaraderie.
Joe Stubner.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, I'll give you that.
Because you ain't even have an offensive line
when the year first started.
That was gone.
You didn't have to.
We didn't.
We didn't.
But now we got to get some camaraderie.
Because we got to get some push
on these fourth and ones.
We can't not get no push.
I understand.
I understand.
And we didn't have, look.
Denzel wore.
and Campbell, they're not out there.
And they go...
It's okay, man.
Listen, it's the first game, man.
We're done with you guys.
I'm sorry, I went on end on your...
Oh, man. You do that now.
You know, I'm breaking open wounds
and all that good stuff, you know what I'm saying?
It was just...
I went into a little spill.
You know, I just...
I feel better now.
I feel better now.
You know, like, hey, listen.
We got some good ones.
We got...
We got...
We got...
We got E. Landon Roberts back
on one.
year deal.
All right.
The Pittsburgh still is signed.
A familiar face as at
linebacker spot
agreeing to one year deal with
Elon and Roberts. We call him E.
Rob. Played for the
stairs in 2000, 23 and 24
seasons as a pure
run stopper.
Here is
what E. Rob had to say
on his return. Listen to the sound.
I will want you yet,
you know, so I can only kind of talk about the
front seven but like I said man my my first two days here it's just being good for you know
why did you want to come back here um you know it's just different playing for the stillers you know
I want to be back though what does Patrick Graham do to help like like yourself off ball
linebackers communicate and be maybe in better control of the defense now you know his system
and I know that these guys are really excited to work with you I think just because uh from a linebacker's
standpoint, he was a D-line at heart.
You know, so the D-line, you know, he's big into that gritty, you know,
obviously he wanted them guys to make plays, but he's like, hey, I own my backers to be touched
and whatnot like that.
So it's a lot of that to where now it frees up the linebackers and open up our eyes
sometimes, too, you know, when you're coming down here, it's really easy because it's like,
I know you got to be talking.
Like, let's do this, you know?
And because if you're not putting two hands on these, four hands on these guys,
it's a problem, you know, so, you know, it's time to.
to get busy. But other than that, man,
them guys going to give you time, you know,
and whatnot like that,
the Dasek plays. It's just
huge. And I think that's what
the freedom from a linebacker
come in as it's not second-distance.
With them big old jokers,
you're going to know when it's play action. You're going to know when it's
boot. People are going to be getting pushed back fast.
And also, too, with them
just being so big and massive
and him being a D-Line coach, it's easy
to identify running past.
Because, you know, like I said, man,
hands going to be put on those big ones up front.
How much of the same at Landon Roberts
have we seen this year? Say what?
How much of the same in Landon Roberts are you bringing back?
From a physicality standpoint?
From the old Landon Roberts that we saw two years ago.
Yeah, I try not to change. I don't think
I changed much. You know,
I think, man,
probably the only thing is changed, man. I got a little smarter
from a football standpoint.
The more years I mean it, I'm able to get around,
you know, a lot of good coaches, good defenses
to be able to learn different systems
and seeing different things.
So that's the only thing.
But from a physicality standpoint,
I'm going to always be me.
Bobby Wagner keeps bringing it back every year.
Is that you?
Oh, you're talking about...
That kind of, as you get older,
and he keeps getting better at soon.
I mean, hey, I'm not going to lie.
Right now, I'm just being my feet at,
but me exiting is not in my thoughts
no time soon.
So I'll let him leave it there.
How did you get number 50 off the way?
Me and Jamie, we're teammates in the Raiders last year, and 57 was available, and me and Jamie had a conversation, and we were able to make it happen.
Yeah.
Greatful. Good luck to you, man. Say it again?
What are you doing?
Right now, man, I'm just doing a little of the conversation that was, right?
You know, and whatever role comes to that, comes to that.
You know, that's all I can do, you know, make the reps count that I'm in on and be a good teammate, good leader, and just come out here every day, ready to go.
out here every day, ready to go.
Hey, Joe, hey Joe.
You see that boy Cheezing when he's talking about
contact.
He's teasing, cheesing, smile.
He's looking at him like,
Hey, I wanted to come back here.
Why?
Because I know what it is about.
I know what it is supposed to be.
I know what a Steelers linebacker is.
Okay?
They brought my man Eback for just what it was that happened.
They had a fight going down.
Why did they have a fight going down?
Because he sparked that thing.
You know why?
He is that.
spark plug and that run game, he's going to come downhill and he's smacking and popping in practice.
The whole line they might not be liking it.
The D line might not be.
The old line, the runner backs might not be.
They got into a little scuffle.
But, hey, hey, listen, that's what he's supposed to do.
That's what they brought him back for.
You think they brought him back just for Chish.
They didn't bring him back to play two-hand tag?
No.
They brought him down there.
to drop O' linemen to their knee on the way to run through the running back's face mask.
That's what they brought him back for.
This ain't got nothing against Queen and P. Doug.
Everybody has a skill set, okay?
And when you're good at your skill set, that's what you become known for, okay?
And this is his skill set.
Okay.
And if you're looking for somebody that's going to put,
they face in the fan, Joe, and run through.
Yes.
Hi.
Hey.
I, E.
I knew a man.
When I played there, he reminded me, and this is all he wanted to do.
His name was Vince Williams.
And Vince Williams was in there.
He knew he was like, Joe, I'm not trying to cover anybody.
I'm like, I just, all right, bet.
You go ahead and go.
I'm just trying to go and hit.
And back so if I can get to run somebody through their face,
that's what I'm trying to do.
single snap.
And Vinnie knew if they were running it over there, Vince is going to come in there and try
to put anybody to sleep every time.
Physicality was never the question.
He's like this.
We're getting the coverage?
Okay.
Vince is my like, I'm going to know.
I'm going to lean him to you, Joe.
I'm going to make sure he's coming to your side.
But with run, he needed no support.
He needed nothing.
I'm ready to go.
Nothing.
I know what time it is every time.
So you need players like that that are amazing, exactly what they're going to come in there to do and smack
something.
Dude, I played with Ian when I went to New England in 2017, dude,
and he was smart as hell back then, extremely high, you know, football IQ back then.
And now, hey, man, he's been master that.
What are you talking about?
And he likes the physical part of playing in mind.
Did you see? That's what, Debo, he likes the...
You know, you know, because when you started laughing and smiling,
he's talking about the physicality, I'm like, that's...
I'm like, look at that.
Like, I don't want, I don't have that.
I used to be like, because he's not scared of nothing.
He really feels like he will owe any person that runs into him.
He's going to knock them back no matter what.
It don't care how big you are.
It don't care if you got the ball, no matter what.
He's like this.
Oh, no, we're talking about football.
Physicality.
I will knock anybody that's coming this way.
I think I will impose my will.
One of the first things he asked me, Joe, when I went over to New England,
He was like, hey, how do you put so many people to sleep?
I said, hey, to put somebody to sleep, you got to be willing to go to sleep.
A thousand percent.
And let me tell you to, let me tell you to, you know, I said, I'm willing to go to sleep.
I said, that's some of the best rest I didn't ever have when I went to sleep.
I woke up feeling good.
Joe, I woke up feeling good.
I welcome it.
You welcome that in Onculepsy.
And the fact that I welcome it is probably why more people went.
to sleep, there more than went to sleep than I did.
A thousand percent.
Because I won't.
You don't always get it.
You didn't believe you was going to go to sleep.
Hey, Joe, I didn't believe I could go to sleep no more.
I didn't.
I didn't, Joe.
See, look, and this is the other thing they're talking about too, Debo, when they're saying, like,
if you're not tackling, that doesn't mean that you're still not smacking.
When you running up and you see like these people, when you hit somebody with your shoulders
and you just square them up, bum, that's imposing your will.
You're knocking people back off of their feet.
off of the, bum, off of the shoulder smack.
That's just like, that's real like, oh, oh, you throwing people fullbacks getting smacked.
Do you remember 38 on our thing when that fullback came down there and he firm folded him.
And then looking at him, I'm like, that's not tackle.
You didn't have to tackle nobody.
Like, no, stay off the ground.
I'm like, boom, keep telling him stay on his feet.
Light, man, little man.
Hey, listen, man, don't be running.
Don't be, don't be playing no games, whoever your running back is on this, on this next
preseason game.
I promise you my man is out here.
He'll be playing this game as if it is the Super Bowl.
He playing every game as if it's the Super Bowl dude.
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And listen, I'm trying to tell you,
he's back in there with Patrick Graham.
You know he was with Patrick Graham over there
in Vegas.
For them two years, yes.
That's why he's back.
That's why he back.
That's his man.
He knows what he's going to get from it.
Hey, you get, a little man.
What we might need a little bit
of somebody to run.
You have to.
Okay, I know somebody.
Yeah, I'm...
And guess what?
He's smiling.
Laughing him, rob her.
You need somebody to run through somebody's face?
Hey, we need somebody to run through somebody's face.
All right.
I mean, what time I fly out?
Yeah.
Got to do, wait, waiting for him.
He get off the plane, he go to the terminal.
He goes to the terminal.
He got to the terminal.
Got that you holding it right here.
Got his name played.
Yep, waiting on him.
At baggage plane.
No question.
No question.
Listen, bro.
I guess Von Miller has reportedly agreed to terms with the Cowboys.
Go ahead, Vaugh.
Go ahead, Vaugh.
Joe.
Man, 37, nice.
He won't have got nine last year at the commanders.
He got nine last year.
I mean, that's more than this a lot of people I know.
So I'm like, until.
You think this is going to help them get a playoff win, brother?
Vaughn, Vaughn ain't going to hurt.
Vaughn ain't going to hurt
they got Vaughn
they got Williams
he's not going to hurt their D-line
he's going to bring some
he's going to bring some veteran leadership
I don't know what the bag is
but I know Vaughn trying to still play
he got nine last year
and six tackles for loss
that's actual production
so like we're going to bring Vaughn in
you know what I'm saying
so you can do it again
but I know Vaughn think he's still
getting him 10 he's still working out
he's still he's never stopped
so like it's not like he's coming off the couch
retired no
Vaugham's played for the commanders
last year had nine sacks
and six junk and six attackers for loss.
So maybe not a, like, 16 games starter.
But, man, you're telling me his third and long, Vaughn got skills.
He can go get him some sacks.
He can make something happen.
So definitely, I don't think it's like, oh, and this is going to bring us over the top.
But Vaughn on your team isn't hurting.
I'll agree with you.
I'm not going to say it's going to get him a playoff win.
But if you didn't think the Cowboys going to get a playoff win before Vaughn,
then it's like, all right.
maybe not, but, you know, they, I still, you know what I'm saying?
They, I just, I ain't seen enough improvements on the defense that I feel like it's going to be enough production to accommodate a win.
That's my, that's my only go-to.
But on the offensive side, Cid Lamb believes that in 2026, he and George Pickens can be the best ever, Joe.
Joe, they're talking about better than what we got here.
Randy Moss, Chris Carter, Larry Fitzgerald, Antoine Bowie,
Isaac Bruce, Toro, Jerry Rice, and T.O.
Ooh.
Jamar Chase and T. Higgins.
Joe, do you think like they can top them guys?
What is that?
One, two, three, four, five, six.
Six, seven, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
Is that eight Hall of Famers?
Ooh.
I mean, that's the only reason why.
I think he's talking about numbers.
He's talking about numbers.
He's talking about numbers.
Because you're talking about individual seasons, that's these, this is longevity.
This is doing it together for a long time.
If you're looking like, can they out beat one of their seasons?
Can both of them go for 1,500 and 10 touchdowns?
a piece, then if that's what we're talking about, maybe so.
Because I think CD and George Pickens are both ones.
You know what I'm saying?
And do you have Dak Prescott that's going to put up?
His numbers are never not extremely high.
So I think with the offense, the way that they put up crazy numbers,
I think when you go about Randy Moss, Chris Carter,
we talk about like longevity, how good.
If you talk about for one season, the numbers they could do it.
Both of them could put up 1,10 tuds.
And then I want to see how many touchdowns and yards that these duos had together.
But like over a career, Isaac Bruce and Tori Halt, when they had Azekeem, that's
greatest show on turf, that was just, you knew Kurt Warner and they were doing it for years,
like four years in a row.
So that's what when you were Chris Carter and Randy Moss, they were random cutting ham and
cold pepper.
So like, if you're going to do it, you're going to, these dudes, they was doing it for a long time.
It's one season.
Maybe we had better stats than them.
I could see it happening for sure
because there's two number ones on the team.
They still haven't been able to pay
Pickings because he's about to try to get
40 some a year. You're already given
CD 35. So you got two dudes
that are legit ones.
And Dak coming up.
That coming up and that getting 60 a year. So he's
ready to go and do what he got to do.
I need 70. Hey, man. Let's what y'all want me to do.
Y'all want me to stay here?
I need 70. I need 70. I'm
Dak Prescott.
Grass ain't always green on the other side.
Give me $70 or go on ahead and pay somebody else 50 in and see what happened.
I'm slanging that ball, which I'll go do.
Matter of fact, do you know who has the highest total?
High total for two receivers on the same team?
You'll never guess, bro.
And it's not, they're not on this list?
No.
Well, no, I wouldn't have guessed it then.
Who?
Detroit Lions, 1995.
Herman Moore and Brett Perman.
Brough, 1680, 1686 or more and 1488.
Okay, that's what I'm saying.
Three men.
3174.
Yo, guess who the quarterback was?
Some dude named Scott Mitchell.
4,300 yards, bro.
4,300 yards, bro, 95.
That was a 16-game schedule, bro.
And them boys got 3,100.
Hold on.
That ain't it.
Bro, that ain't it.
That ain't it.
Barry Sanders still had 1,500 rushing that year.
You want to know something else horrible?
Was they defense trash?
Had to be.
They didn't win a playoff game.
Didn't win a playoff game.
That's why Barry had.
You know why?
That would get Barry sick.
You know why, brad.
That would get up out of it.
You know why they didn't win the playoff game?
That boy Mitchell went up in there and that boy threw two pick sixes in the playoff game.
That's the first one they were seeing.
I think he had like four turnovers, dude.
Like that was 95, bro.
Like 16 games schedule, bro.
That's what it was, bro.
Like that team has so much talent on there, bro.
He never recovered, bro, from that season, from that playoff game.
he never recovered from the play.
Oh, I bet.
Like, and, bro, I'm trying to tell you, he didn't recover.
He ended up having more picks than interceptions, like, all the way down until, I think
Charlie Batch ended up taking over for him in 98.
And then Barry was like, I'm out of here.
Barry was like, I'm out of here.
And then that was, Detroit ain't had nothing going on until the last, you know, two, three,
three, four years, whatever it is.
Like, bro.
And I'm with you on the, like, the.
Burrell and them two boys over there,
hey, I think if Burrell had a good old line,
okay, they would have possibly,
probably already broke that over there.
1,000% because you.
But also, you got to have everybody healthy at the same time.
But get them some blocking, somebody that's going to protect,
get everybody healthy, plan at the same time.
I think they would have had that a few years.
That's what I'm saying.
But now, because I didn't know what the number was.
I was thinking if you had two receivers that got 1,500, then that'd be right around, but it's 31.
So they could- 31-74.
That's in 95, bro, with 16 games.
So Randy Mauls, Chris Carter, all of these, Larry Fitzgerald, all of these duos still had under that.
I mean, I wanted to check and see what was the highest that they had.
Because I didn't, I didn't see that one.
Yeah, that's there.
That's wild.
Bro, I would have never thought that.
And I'm thinking, okay, which one of these had it?
And I went and I'm like, no.
I'm thinking Isaac Bruce and Tori Holt.
Like, that was ready to show on turf.
They did a bunch of times.
Yeah.
And I don't think, I think, I think Tori Holt averages like 1,300 yards receiving.
Like, yeah, it's crazy, bro.
It's crazy.
Look here, you know what else is crazy?
That bag, bag, bag, bag.
He came the highest-paid corner in Seattle.
That bag of Yale.
Oh, my goodness.
At the dominant performance in the Super Bowl win in February, three-time Pro Bowl,
cornerback, Devin Willispoon, and the Seattle, Seahawks agreed,
reached an agreement for a four-year, $132 million extension.
A contract includes $101 million guarantee, making Willispoon the highest-paid corner in the NFL.
Joe.
Yes, sir.
This deal being signed, him resetting the market, what is going to happen?
with us over here with nephew.
It's not looking good.
This is what I want to figure out, though.
It gets to the point where the Steelers, I understand.
It's like you want to sign them earlier than later
because there ain't nothing going to happen,
but the baggage is going to continue to go up.
The salary cap is going to continue to go up.
So first, I'm looking at like the 25.
If we're going to get them under,
of 25 to 25 to 26 to 27,
I was hoping I was going to be the sweet area.
That ain't no more.
That's what I'm saying.
The longer that you wait, the more that it's going to go up.
And I don't know.
Like, when you have a corner like Joey Porter Jr., at the end of the day, he signed for $9 million.
Four years ago.
He's been playing way above that market.
So we know that he's been doing nothing but getting better.
And it's time to all of these dudes like Wetherspoon, Stingley, Sartan, Horn, Horns.
born, the boys, the dudes that are balling,
there's nothing going to be,
nothing's going to happen, but the contracts are going to go up.
So you're getting $33 million a year now.
I just hope that we can get Joey Porter sign before,
I mean, now, I don't know.
Because when we were thinking that,
when I was thinking 25 at first,
now I'm like,
I,
who knows what, who knows of them?
I can, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't,
I can't go for less than 28 now.
And honestly,
30
what we got in the cat
we got in the cat bro we just signed
I didn't even like
because we just signed
because we just signed
Ben
we just signed him
I know
I don't think we got a number
of maybe four or five million
in the cap
you know me
you know me
you know I don't believe
in that cap
dude
you can not believe in the cat
bro but the cat
I know really
okay Joe
I don't believe it
bro
What did I say? What did I say, bro?
I said, I said, I said, a while ago.
I said, oh, I said, oh, no, they might be.
And then I was, I was like, no, I ain't going to say.
He was like, yeah, say it.
Then I said it.
And you were like, oh, no, no, no, no, don't say that.
I'm trying to tell you, it's starting to look like that might be the move.
I don't know.
I hope it's not, but it's starting to look like that might be the move.
I hear you.
I know, I know.
I know.
It's crazy Lee.
You're the corner.
You, you nephew.
I'm a nephew.
I'm feeling undervalue.
I'm not feeling appreciated because at the same time,
there's people in your locker room that came in and during the same time as you.
And it's like, I didn't do nothing different.
And it's not like they are not ill deserving.
Everybody that got paid is involving, is doing the thing that they are in-house people.
So it's like, okay, you're taking care of home.
But I'm homegrown.
I'm a little peasy.
Pops was even here.
And not even nothing to do.
do with that, but I'm the starting corner.
I've been balling increasing my play every single year.
And now, like, I'm out the way.
I don't get in trouble.
I don't do nothing.
But my play has increased.
Nick Herbert wasn't starting.
And I'm going to, he's making $100 million to $25 million a year.
You know what I'm saying?
The third outside linebacker.
We got T.J.F.40.
And then we got Highsmith that came in a 17-5.
And he's now trying to go ball out.
Everybody got to go ball.
Everybody understands the league is the league,
but it's like when you're seeing other people in there
that Donnell Washington coming in,
which he's making his bread now, 12,
when you're sitting there and you're bawling.
You've been doing your part.
This contract that he's signing now isn't for what you're about to do
is because these contracts are what you've done for me already.
You bought out.
Your first contract, what you're doing in college?
So that's how you get to your rookie deal.
You sign that because that's only what you're done in college.
They don't have nothing to go off of.
Your second contract is what you did those first three years.
It's like that's, you can pay for that for what I just did that time.
So now if you continue to ball, that's when you go get the new one.
Because it's like, oh, you got it.
You've already, it's always, it's always what have you already done.
So now when you, when you, soon as you start slipping, they're like, oh, that's on the next deal.
You're tripping.
You're not playing at that high level.
Because once you start making $40 million a year, oh, that's your norm, but you better not go down because that's your next contract we're talking about.
Yeah.
Brother.
It's a tricky situation.
I'm just looking at it from the outside end with no real detail.
But, you know, just from what I'm seeing, the way things are moving, what's left there, what's not there, what is happening, what hasn't happened, this is really looking positive for a situation where everything ends up working out in the end.
and, you know, I don't know, worst case scenario, you know, what do they do?
He says, okay, well, I won't play.
They keep him and then they end up have to get rid of him next year or they lose him next year,
whatever that may be, or they go on, you know, keep him and end up having to trade him
just to get a value for him.
I mean, it's a tricky situation.
We go see how it roll out, but we're going to see how something else roll out too.
I guess Aaron Nano then worked out with the Rams.
Rams again, you know, like, what's going on, man?
This is the second time this summer.
Aaron Donald was listed on the NFL's transaction wire and having to work out with the Rams.
The Rams head coach Shaimmy Bay told reporters yesterday.
We've had great dialogue.
It's going to be on his timeline.
It's going to be on Aaron's timeline, you know.
If Aaron does decide he wants to do it, I've been very old.
that we want to try to explore that opportunity.
I feel great about our football team as it currently stands,
and I know he'll add value if he decides to come.
Joe, do you think AD is coming back?
I think he is.
I think he's taking his time.
Yeah.
They're like, I think he's going to come back.
He's not just going to keep doing the in and out for no reason.
I don't know. I think he would probably come back to play with just I think maybe he's still got a little a little itch like if you weren't coming.
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In there working out, then it wouldn't make any sense.
Then you would just stay away from the game.
But I guess he's like this.
You know what, I've got one more left there.
And he probably thinks that the team is a special team.
Like you said, if he comes back and doesn't win the Super Bowl,
it came back, he didn't win the Super Bowl.
He still tried it.
You know what I'm saying?
I can't come back and not win the Super Bowl.
He's not like he's not going to go try.
I mean, obviously he's not going to try back.
I understand that.
But they got a squad.
They got a mom.
You can't come back and not win it.
That is a failure.
He's still going to be first.
Because you already,
they're already being annoyed it as the favorites to win.
And now you're telling me you don't got one of the coldest to ever do it back
and you don't win it along with the best player in defense from last year.
Huh?
You know they're going to take at least four up on the line.
We pass blocking.
What you mean?
We go one, one, uh-uh,
the angered.
They ain't got to do money
with a four-man rest.
That's what I'm saying.
Now you add a fifth
as a blitzer.
Now they got to sit in.
They match for tech and just a,
just block.
You think he's coming back?
I hope he's not coming back.
I hope he's a man in his word
and say, you know,
he ain't had nothing else to prove,
you know?
That's what I'm hoping.
You know what I'm hoping.
You know, but, hey,
if I'm going with
what I'm,
I'm seeing in front of me.
That's what I'm saying, Debo.
What I'm seeing in front of me,
you're going to what you hope that he told you
is the truth. I'm like,
I don't know if he's pulling up to the facility
putting the helmet on. Hey, he's coming
back or he's playing with me.
He coming back and he playing with me
for clicks and likes or something.
That's what I'm saying.
AD guys did to do, man.
He was going to be chilling. I ain't
heard from him in a while. And next thing
you know, he keeps popping up with a helmet
on doing the ladder drills
looking like he's getting ready to play football.
Like, yeah,
bro.
He ain't playing.
Don't nobody play like that.
Who you know play like that?
Don't nobody play like that.
We don't want to back, D, but you.
You said he had a gun.
Oh, my God.
Hey, man, let's jump into these.
What do these chats talk about, coach?
What is that?
Is it?
Frank.
Franchet.
franchise key
$2.
We need
DB help in Cleveland.
A.B. Please make
vet calls.
Y'all need DB help in Cleveland?
We don't have too much depth,
but we are starting
DVs are fire.
So we just need, like he's saying,
we may need a little depth.
We may need one more.
We may need one more nickel.
Yep.
Okay.
So, you know, because Denzel Ward and Tyson Campbell are strapping.
We have number top one, two, corner, cornerback tandem.
Oh, you need some backup.
So that's what we're saying.
That's what we're saying.
Which is you talking about backup?
You got a, you ain't got a nickel?
We got a guy we drafted last year.
You know what I'm saying?
Doing pretty good.
So we're going to see, but it's no, it's no setting stone.
Okay.
Okay.
Let's go on down here at Foxy Mama.
$10.
She said, in my opinion, I don't think Shador is ready.
I'm not taking any away.
I'm not taking away any of his talent.
He needs to observe his season veteran and stop trying to prove he's ready.
I guess Dylan, I guess, I guess, I guess, I guess, it's not in.
I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, um, I don't think, hmm.
Well, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't think he's not.
ready.
I just think right now, Dylan, obviously, is not in the running, but Watson, it just looks better.
And he ain't played in two years.
And that's what the performance I get compared to the performance I got from Shador.
I'm leaning to Watson.
Yep.
I mean, I'm going to say that he's not ready.
I would just, from that performance, I would say, yes, I think he needs to get definitely a little step, a step quicker.
And I think just let's see him play with the ones.
And let's see how that looks first.
Let's get them both for the chance to play with the same line, the same receivers, the same talent around them to be able to get that production off.
So then after that, be able to go.
But I do think that I was expecting a little bit, a little bit more.
Yeah.
I was definitely expecting more from Sador.
and I was not expecting as much from watching.
Yes, that's what that's yes, honestly.
Matter, matters of the heart is J.
Jay, nay, five dollars.
I've been binge watching Blumpy with my daughter for a while.
Yeah.
And then I came across this episode with Joe on there.
Yes.
Man, I would have never knew.
Watch Blippy with your children.
What?
What?
What?
What?
What?
What?
What is Blippy?
It's like a kid's show.
It's a dude.
Blippy is a person that he goes around and like does little like things like shows him
out of color, show kids how to draw, different things.
And he came to.
It's a cartoon?
No, no.
He's a real person.
He's a real person.
Blippy put on a little fit, come through the crib.
Everybody know Blippy.
Blippy pulled up to my, because my kids was watching Blippy.
So I ended up getting in touch with Blippy
And then we did a show together
He came to the house
And I had Blippy and I teach them how to play cornerback
So if you look up Joe Hayden with Blippy
Great episode
A lot of people pull up with me and say
That they see me on it
When they were just watching with their kids?
Where was it?
This was in 2017, 2018?
Oh
out in LA, and it's on YouTube.
Blippy Joe Hayden.
Blippy Joe Hayden.
Listen, y'all go see that.
You got kids, man.
Echo Sante for a dollar said, Joe,
you should have told AB,
we have a surplus of quarterbacks
with Will Howard.
Maybe a Will,
Will Howard, maybe.
Number 16,
our future starter,
that shirt spied Debo Hill.
Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
Joe.
Look, I'm not talking. I get the stuttering.
I get the stuttering when y'all, you all got to the point.
See, Joe, listen. I tell you what, hey, I tell you what we'll do for you, man.
Whichever one we don't end up keeping with.
I'm still, look, I don't even act like that.
I'm not, I still believe in sure.
Maybe a third.
We just got to get this line to protect them.
And then he's going to get out there with them with my boys.
You know what I'm saying?
and just come on your door, let's go.
Tight passes.
Okay, where is it?
Let's see.
Echo Sandy, he's back $2.
He said, J.P.J., Joe Reporter Jr.,
going to be the Stiller's highest-paid corner.
Yes.
I hope so.
Facts.
Highest paid corner.
Okay.
The both of they probably ever, I don't.
I'm going to go with that.
I'm going with that.
Stiller's high-paid corner.
That's why you got to define that.
I like that how you defined that at Hellsaca.
Yeah, I like that.
Hecosante, I got you.
Mike, Mike, $105.
I said, what up, Debo and Joe?
Y'all might as well come back for the...
That's the little, that's the same little rotational role
to get a ring with the Rams.
What is Mike Mike talking about?
Y'all might as well come back for the Rams, too.
Play a little rotational role
and get around.
Wow, Mike.
I mean, I ain't rain chasing, man.
Do us all to the hell
to the bandwagon.
Hey, man, I don't accomplish all
I needed to accomplish, man.
I'm good.
I'll go get, look.
If the Browns or the Steelers get one,
you know what I'm saying,
I'm gonna be right there.
I promise you, I'm getting rid.
That's real bandwagon.
If I might just live,
I'm listening, bro,
if I got a bus up in that monkey,
see, strapped up.
Y'all go give me a ring.
I got, I can't do that.
It's us.
This Debo and Joe, the unofficial show for the Pissburgs.
Bam.
Played up.
You heard what I said of the unofficial.
We got Covenant Live.
She bad.
You say $20.
She said, Joe, are we still calling Cleveland a serious threat?
Or did that 34 to 10 loss expose more questions than answers?
And with Watson.
versus Sordor is still going on.
Who do you trust when the games actually count?
Man, covered it.
Nice cat, D. Bo, I know.
My game, my head game and pickup up on.
No, I did look.
So, Joe.
The 34 to 10, that was just, you know,
you can't take the preseason.
Stuttering, Joe.
You can't take the preseason games that serious.
Not everybody's starters out there.
We're playing basic ball.
So maybe, like,
There's no real schemes.
We're looking at performance, though.
Nobody really performed.
We're looking at execution.
Nobody really executed as well as they should,
especially your offensive line and your defense.
You can not let me answer.
Oh, go ahead.
I'm just talking.
I'm saying, it was not as good.
It wasn't, trust me, it wasn't, trust me,
it wasn't as good as I wanted it to be at all.
But one thing I could tell you is the offensive line.
We got time for them to jail, get them together.
and then when our starters were out there to office,
it wasn't no stunt games.
They don't need to jail on nothing.
You just need to stick.
It's just our back-ups.
Once it got down to the second or third,
then it started getting,
it started looking difficult.
That's what I'm looking at.
That's what I'm telling you.
My depth from the game,
I can say our depth and what I wanted to be.
Our depth ain't what I wanted to be.
Next question.
How do we got to gel together?
It was no.
Wow.
You just come on, man.
Because you're trying to jump on me.
I can't.
Oh my goodness
I can't wait for the second game
Foxy Mama 4-1-4-3-2-1
she backed $2.
She said, I wish y'all came
to the Falcons training camp.
Joe, we might go to the A.
I like the A.
We might go to the A.
Hey, guys.
I understand.
We might go to the A.
Let's see.
Covenant Life came back through, though.
Company like came back through, $5.
She said, just come to Atlanta and I would treat you both.
Wow, see, that's what covered in that.
I know where you had over there.
You're over there by that mountain.
Okay.
Coving in Lice, you over there by that mountain.
I'm going to lie to you, but we might want to do the, for real, for real.
Like, next year, a training camp tour.
Just try to hit one, like, a couple of, this team.
Definitely Browns, obviously, hitting the stillers with the good weather so we can be outside.
I'm going to have to hit the Steelers.
I hit the Bengals and the Ravens because I played that all of them.
Let's hit all the teams that you played for then
because we just got Browns and Steelers over here.
I got to hit the Patriots too then.
I'm damn.
I would love to go see how they operate.
We run that tight circle.
You know.
They try and stay in.
They're going to have us, they're going to have me behind the ropes.
Oh, company locks you back again.
She said, you have to take these pre-s, $5, you have to take these preseason games
serious because that.
That's who you are picking.
That's because that's who you are picking.
That's the people you're picking for your court,
is what she's saying.
Covered it.
My Joe.
My Joe.
This I'm trying to tell you, cover it.
Our starters, a lot of the Browns,
our main first starters,
they weren't even out there.
They didn't play at all.
So, like, I understood we get to get our core.
Okay.
Them is the people that were figuring out if they're going to make the team.
We're keeping out a lot more players than we had at all.
that should have been out there.
What about your offensive line?
Okay.
Fan who played good.
You know what I'm saying?
I want to know who was out there that wasn't a starter.
Who wasn't out there that wasn't a starter?
I think we had maybe one.
Maybe one of the challenge.
Uh-huh.
They got a jail.
They got a jail.
They got a jail.
Wasn't no stunt and twist games.
What are they jelling for, Joe?
Every man, Wolverman.
Dibow.
Come on, man.
I'm going to have way better.
I'm going to have way, way better.
I'm going to let you stop.
Way more better.
The answer after the second game.
The first one,
the same way we didn't,
we didn't just jump on.
Hey, listen, y'all,
Joe Bo had way more better answer.
Way more better.
Because right now,
that's what we're going to go with, man.
Look here, we know, we don't,
we don't went way over here, man.
We want to thank y'all for joining us on this episode,
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A big shout out.
Thank you to Andrew Berry, man.
Had a great time, man.
Appreciate you.
You're doing your thing.
Joe.
See y'all tomorrow.
Same time, same place.
Let's get it.
I'm Hoda Cotby, host of the podcast, Joy 101 with Hoda Cotty.
You know, I'm always searching for inspiration and useful tools to maximize joy.
Like when my friend Henry Winkler offered advice to aspiring actors and really anybody hoping to stand out.
You're not hired just to fill time and space.
You're hired to fill the space with you.
Listen to Joy 101 with Hoda Kotby on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Hey, this is Hayes Davenport.
And Sean Clements.
We host the podcast, Hollywood Handbook.
Every episode we're trying to help our guests improve their careers by mainly focusing on how they can help us improve our careers.
The show's famously super accessible so you can easily jump into any of our 650 episodes.
and understand what's going on.
We recommend some of our recent episodes
with Ben Stiller, Danny McBride, Riz Ahmed, and Mary Steenberg.
Listen to Hollywood Handbook on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts.
I'm Nick Taturo.
You probably know me from NYPD Blue, The Longest Yard,
or Spike Lease Black Klansman.
And on my new podcast, delivering happiness with Nick Tatourl,
I deliver pizza to a new guest.
I've shared a slice with everyone from Seth Rollins.
What are you doing my belt?
To Bill Burr.
I don't think I've ever met some.
so exactly out of their mind as I am.
And now we even have more great guests coming up,
including the great John Tituro.
It's called Happiness.
Delivering Happiness.
And many, many more.
Open your free High Heart Radio app.
Search Delivering Happiness with Nick Tutor.
And listen now.
Our hometown is not a test tube.
90 miles northeast of Nashville,
a battle for the future of America,
plays out in one small town.
Developers with right-wing ties
have purchased hundreds of acres of land
We need cities on a shining hill.
This is Our Town, a podcast about what happens when a small town becomes the sight of a social experiment and fights back.
Guess you didn't move in on a bunch of dumb hillbillies now, did you?
Listen to Our Town on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 3 podcast.
This is a story about a horrendous situation that destroyed two families.
It's a scorched earth war that shows just how far someone will go to get what they want.
Cindy said, I had to choose between the truth and my family, and I had to choose the truth.
Listen to season three of Burden of Guilt on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.
