Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Heath Miller on Steelers Mike McCarthy hire, retirement, hilarious training camp stories

Episode Date: April 13, 2026

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden are joined by former NFL Pro Bowler and Pittsburgh Steelers legend Heath Miller to discuss his favorite Steelers memories, retirement, the hiring of Mike McCarthy, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Heath Miller on retirement decision  06:15 - Hilarious Steelers training camp story  09:56 - Heath's rookie year  20:28 - Heath Miller on Mike McCarthy hire  31:43 - Super Chats   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I miss the biggest thing that you know. I miss the locker room. I miss the locker room. I miss being around, you know, like we talked about, you're around your teammates way more than your family. And, you know, you become close to everybody. We kind of all go through at that age and stage in life. Everybody goes through, you know, kind of monumental moments in your life, whether it be getting married, having kids, starting a family, like all these things we go through together.

And then, you know, kind of when you're retired, everybody goes their separate ways. and you don't get to talk to each other or see each other as often as you do. So I miss going to the way room and seeing Devo every morning and being in the locker room and playing, whatever, just hanging out. Just being around the guy,

that's what I miss the most. Yep. That's the same thing. I think that's the answer for most of the guys because you don't get that. You get 60, 70 grown men that are willing to be there on time

and the same place, working to the same goal, trying to be the best of they can be. and there's nowhere else in the world that you can go find that. So that's the normal answer that we get. So when you say that, I'm like this, yes, it's the locker room.

It's a special place because it's, and all those guys have been through probably the same thing to get to where they are, shared experiences, same goals. We're all the same people. Yeah. Essentially at the end of the day,

the core of who we are is the same for the most part. That's what builds the bonds. But yeah, when I walked in the last day, to meet the coaches and retire, you know, to let them know the news, first person I see when I go through the door, Debo. And DiAngelo, yeah. He said, what are you doing here? He said, what are you doing here?

They knew, Debo, you knew what was coming? He was talking about he retiring, like, for what? What are you talking about? Where are you going? What? He wasn't coming. What? What, I just came back to this.

What is you talking about, bro? You're leaving? Was it like a body, was it a body situation, Heath, you think? Were you just kind of ready, ready to go? It was a little bit of everything. I knew it was time. Maybe it was a pride thing because I knew I couldn't play the way I wanted to or expect it out of myself, you know?

I knew I could still be productive. And I knew I still had a role on the team. But I felt like if I couldn't, I was putting in, as you get older, you know, you put in more and more work off the field to be your best on the field. I felt like that tradeoff wasn't matching up anymore. You know, I was putting in more and more work, and I wasn't still as good as I would had hoped to be or feel as good as I hoped to feel on Sunday. So I knew it was time.

I don't have, you know, first year out was probably tough, but some, you know, some second thoughts, especially when the first game, I think, the Steelers played on Monday night football versus the Redskins, I believe. So I'm excited. I'm like, I'm going to watch the game. I turn it on in like five or ten minutes into the game. I'm like, I can't watch this. I can't watch it.

I didn't watch any more games the rest of that year. I'm like, this is just too weird. I had to take a year off. Too soon. Way too soon. Yeah. I'm like, I'm supposed to be in the huddle. Like, this is, I'm looking at all my guys in the huddle.

And I'm like, it looks like I know what plays they're running everything. I'm like, no, I got to take a step back. So. Gotcha. But it's all good now. Good stuff. You can watch the games. You can watch the games now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can watch games now. You've been watching? I've been watching when I can, yeah. You know, with our kids. We did that big giant-ass tight end they got, bro. Mount Washington, that boy, like seven foot, 500 pounds. I saw him a few years ago, and we all got a big, before a game, we went out,

had a, I took a picture with all the tight ends, and then I see the picture after the fact, and he's like two feet taller. Like, I should have moved a little bit further away from. this dude. He's a giant. Oh, yes. He's humongous. Yeah. But they got a, he's a really good player. I mean, going back to doing both, like you were talking about Devo, he's a problem in a running game. And he makes, he's, he's athletic enough and he has good enough hands to make plays in the passing game, too. So I'm excited to see, you know, how his career unfolds. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Something to watch for sure, for sure.

So coming out of UVA, I got to ask you because I was a first round pick also, but what would you say of how did you manage your expectations coming in as a first round? Or what was your thought process? Well, I knew I was coming to a really good team. They were 15 to 1 the year before. So 50 to 1 lost in the AFC championship. So I was coming to a good team. I was just trying to get in and fit in wherever I could and just kind of keep a little.

low profile, learn the plays, and just kind of earn my way. And, you know, that's one thing I think, too, that back in the day was you had to earn your way. I don't care where you were drafted. Yeah. I mean, and Marvell Smith, who was the left tackle at the time, and Max talked to me a little more, Max Starks, he's a Florida guy. He was on the right side. So I remember when I first got there, I'm lining up. If I get reps with the ones, I'm lining up beside Marvell. And I'm like trying to echo the calls in the run game because I think I know what I'm doing but I want you know I'm needing a little confirmation yeah Marvell is in a stance he's looking straight ahead he don't even acknowledge me next to him I'm like I better get my playbook because Marvell's not going to help

me out crickets but it was like it was the standard it's like if you're going to be with us you better know what to do you know and you better get your job done so I knew I I I stopped asking Marvell for the calls after that and got my playbook a little more so No, for sure. I love it because I think some, especially just coming in hard hat, you got to, when you coming in, like, same thing, you want to prove yourself to the guys. And the best way to do that is know what you're doing. You know what I'm saying? Like, they already know, they know the playbook. The quicker you learn that playbook, that's the quicker you're going to get the respect from the guys when people start motioning. You're not just looking around. What's the call? What's to play? No, you're in here with us. Know what's going on. And then that's going to, I think that gets you right first. 100%. Yeah. It's like, even with coaching. is, you know, guys think you got to be, you got to make this amazing play here or this amazing play there. They just want to be able to trust you. Yes. Are you going to know what to do? Are you going to be where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there? And same with

quarterbacks and teammates too. They're going to put guys on the field who they trust. A thousand percent. Part of that trust is just no, yeah, you got to know what to do. Yep. You talked about about your body, you know, combination of pride and body. What was your off-season training like to prepare for the season because you know for me the hardest thing was like yo can I make it through another off season training for the season because getting into the season was the easy part uh I would always take a few weeks off and then um you know after being at home for a little bit you start to get it my wife like it's probably the time for you to start working out right and I knew that I knew after that like okay yeah it's time for me to get back into it but

But, you know, I stayed in Pittsburgh. Debo and I trained a couple, like early on before you started going to Arizona. We trained a little bit in the summertime early in my career. And I kind of stay with those guys and just push yourself in the off season. Then I started adding in the bodywork later in my career. So, you know, that took more time. But, yeah, it was lifting, running every day, body work usually in the afternoon. And add some skill stuff in there as well.

So, you know, I always tried to be, you know, again, being in condition was one of the things was in my control just like learning the place. So I always tried to always know exactly where I was supposed to be, exactly what I'm supposed to do, and also be in the best shape possible to execute my job. And, you know, it's funny with all the money that's on the line and the NFL every year, there's guys that come in and don't know the plays and is out of shape and can't do the test. And it always blew my mind when that happened. It's like, guys, what were you doing? You remember the one dude, Heath, the one cat. I don't know if he was there yet, but he had a, he was a receiver. He had a bullet on his, on his leg, a tattooed bullet, and it was, it says speed kill.

I think so. I don't know his name, but I remember. He was running the 40s like it was a race. Yeah. And he liked the passed out at like eight. They ended up IVing him up and locking him down. He took off with a buzzer that wasn't even his. Were you there for that?

Yes, yes. Right. Listen, Joe, it was a receiver there and he correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he was Tennessee, right? I think so, yeah. He was from Tennessee. He was in Tennessee school. I think it was Tennessee. Yeah, he was a track dude.

And his 40 was something crazy. What was like a 42 something or something like that, goofy? So at that time, bro, we did a 40 test and basically what they did is they, um, put like a half second on your 40 time, your best 40 time, put a half second on it, and you had to run it at that time, and then you jog back, and you had, as soon as you ran it, you had, what was it, 30 seconds, 35 seconds, C? Yeah, you had to jog all the way back to the line

and the rep recovery time to go again. It was quick. Right. So everybody knows that, hey, they're trying to tell him, like, yo, just make it just in time. Just in time. Yeah. So, bruh.

Don't blow your whole leg. When I say this boy was stroking out there, we're sitting back and we're looking. And you know how you run and you get the, so you got to be like, boo, touching the line when he's going to be. No, no, no, no, no. He touching the line, jogging back.

I said, ooh, he's doing like the first two, three, four. He's still bussing him, right? Jogging back. Man, that boy got to about five. He started slowing down a little bit, man. Six. He starts to lower down some more, bro. Hamstrings.

By seven, no. By seven, he was hitting the buzzer. What we had? 14? 14. 14. Yeah, 1440. Yeah.

1440s. Listen, he got to eight and he just made that one. But it was nine that took him out. So it was two groups running. So you got to. the buzzer and the whistle going for the two groups. And they're separate. You can hear it.

Man, that boy got so tired. He, uh, uh, you know. You hear him? This one, he can't walk. He doesn't got back. He didn't heard the buzzer from the other one. He is so out of it and gone. He takes off running, but he's doing diagonals this way.

No, bro. Falls out. Yeah, he was blacked out. I got to take you via the eye. It was blacked out. Hey, dude. No, sir. Here's the thing, too.

It's not like you showed up and the test was a surprise. It's a surprise. It's a condition test. We don't know what it is. Like, no, you knew what it was the whole time. You could be practicing throughout the summer. We're supposed to be running this at the summer the whole time, making sure. Right.

He's not realizing this ain't attract me, bro. This is a conditioning test, bro. He's trying to impress. That's not going to impress the coach. That's not going to impress the coach. Telling me, just run and, bro, when I say he, he had to be at least five yards back by time the buzzer was hitting sometimes, wasn't he? Yeah.

Yeah. I tell you another funny story, my rookie year, we showed up, and I'm nervous to run the test. And, like, you know, you walk into an NFL locker room and you're not, you know, in college, there's guys two or three years younger than you, right? You're kind of the same age. Yes. You all get to the NFL, there's some grown men, right? Wroen up.

Children, they got kids. driving in in the minivans. They got kids at home. Like, this is the real deal. This is like, yes. This means, this is their career. So I look over at the linemen are running. And, uh, Kimo von Hollhofen was he was probably, I don't know what year.

Debo, you remember him. Yeah, I remember Kimo. Kimo is over there running 1440s in his bare feet. Yeah. Like he don't even have shoes on. I'm like, how, because you got to, this is like starting and stopping, like, you're planting, like you're coming in with some force to, plant and drew up back. He's over there running in his bare feet. I'm like, oh, this guy's

different. This man's built differently. What did Ike say? Ike said he's a man of the earth. He's getting grounded. He was he was on to the whole grounding thing before it took off. Oh, yeah. When you say that, it reminds me when I came into that locker room from to the Browns, my rookie season, and we had Big Baby Davis number 92. He was on the team. That was one of the biggest humans I've ever seen so much swag, so chill, so nice. I was like, like, he could be my dad, but he's on my team. You know what I was?

I was 21, just turned 21 seven days ago, and I got 34-year-old man on my team with a 12-year-old son, you know what I'm saying, walking around. I'm like this. Oh, my goodness. Okay. He is, Joe Edwards. You got kids, man. I'm like, what's going on, Mr. Davis?

You know what I'm saying? Joe Hayden here. ready, whatever you need. So, like, really, like, when I walked in there, I'm like this, these are grown men, and I'm looking to take food off their plates. That's how they're looking at me. The other corners, you know what I'm saying?

You talk about looking over, not getting help on the play. I'm like, well, you better know exactly what you're doing because you're trying to take my spot. So it's real, real lie. Well, I ain't going to lie. We ain't had that. I ain't going to lie. My OGs helped me out, though.

My OGs helped me out, too, but I'm just saying when you're looking around, not everybody's looking at you, like, trying to help you out. The OG's Eric Wright, Sheldon Brown, looking out for me perfectly. Those dudes, they're grown, their vets, they know what's up. Everybody else like this.

All right. Hey, hey, yeah, that's like, good luck. Hey, that second stringer looking at you right now. Like, I wish I would tell him even what time it was. Man, look. Meetings at 47. I'm like, no, it's not. You better check your itinerary.

Yeah, don't ask. Check your itinerary. Oh, man. Bro. Heath, question. What, do you remember the hardest hit that you've gotten when you were in the league. Oh, that's a good question. I might not remember it because I might have woke up. Because it's so hard.

Why to put you to go? No, I don't, I don't, there's not one that really stands out as the hardest. Okay. The hardest. I took my- Welcome to the NFL moment. I took my share. Welcome to the NFL moment. That's a good one, deep. I'd say just the realization of walking down the hallway in the Steelers facility for the first time and seeing like the pictures on the wall like I remember playing with Jerome Jerome Bettis like on a Sega Genesis or something college football when he was number six at Notre Dame when I was a kid yeah and like and that's my

team to the cafeteria and he's one of the first guys I see and I'm like whoa he's my teammate now like I better be on my stuff like I'm blocking for the bus I better know know exactly what I'm doing I'm not going to let my guy hit him you know I'm going to let my guy take him out. So I think just, you know, coming from us. I'm Luke Wilson. Join me each week for Film Never Lies. Since retiring from the NFL, I've had a lot of my mind,

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Small town like I grew up in, you know, not a lot of people, well, no one did what I did as far as make it to the NFL from my school ever. I was the first person. Now we have two, actually. but, you know, and then realizing, whoa, this is like, this is it. Like, you've seen the big names and, you know, they're your teammates. And then you realize what good people they are on top of it and why they've had the success that they've had. That was probably, as opposed to a moment on the field, it was probably that moment for me. Okay.

Hey, most memorable game, because I may remind you of something that somebody said, but most memorable game, Heath? For me, I'd say number one, AFC championship game in 2000, I guess, before Super Bowl 43. So that would be 09. When we beat the Ravens at home for the third time, Troy had the interception.

Okay. Oh, yes. Okay. Yeah. Followed by the Super Bowl versus the Cardinals will be the next. But I'd say because we beat Baltimore for the third time that year, and it was at home that made it even sweeter

so that was probably my most memorable game yeah I think that was the year we popped the Jets right beforehand, right? Or was it after the Jets? No, we beat the Cardinals. No, we beat the Chargers. I think we had a buy. We beat the Chargers at home,

then we beat Baltimore at home, then we beat the Cardinals. And then we beat the Jets, I think, before Packers. Right? That's right. Yeah. He has that memory. Jazz was before the Packers.

That's right. Yeah. See, that's what I'm trying to tell you. My CTE is bad. You're good. Yeah. E. Feezy. That was good memory right there.

Yeah. I can remember some things. Yeah, my memory, my memory hot garbage. You can use it to your benefit, though, sometimes, too, Debo. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Look here. Hey, when did the Heath? chance start. Yes. It started my rookie year. It kind of grew over time, but the first preseason game at home, I caught a pass,

and I heard like this low, like, murmur through the stadium. And I just thought at the time, I'm like, dang, I guess they didn't want, like, they didn't want me to get the ball. They didn't know your name. You know, that's all they were booing. I was like, oh, they must have wanted somebody else. So, but then over time, I think it just grew and, you know, started to become a thing as we had more success as a team and I grew as a player. So, but yeah, the first, I remember at home, first game, and it was kind of like, woo.

And I'm like, oh, you're doing. Yeah, hold on, hold on. What's going on here? Yeah. Yeah. That's bad. At that point. I guess not.

But it turns out of love. Did they have any chant before that for the tight ends? No, not that I know of. I think so, dude. There was a fullback, Foo, he might have been even before you. I played with Foo. I played with Chris Foo. Did they do something when he ran the ball or no?

I don't remember. I ain't go lie. Yeah. I don't go lie. I feel like someone said they might have did something when he had it just to like, foo, but I'm not for sure. It's possible. We need a Steelers historian for that.

You might be right. But I'm saying now it's like every tight end that's like, yo, he getting, he getting the he. How you feel? about that. You started something and passed it on down or you're like, hey, you just yell Heath, y'all don't do nothing for nobody else. That's mine.

Is it? No, I'm fine with it. I figured, uh, I didn't know if it was just if another white guy caught the ball. They were just getting him. They were. They weren't sure. Yeah. They're not sure. The first time, I was like, damn, they still yelling Heath. They still yelling. For moving, for five more. You know they're

retired, right? They were. They were, though. They were. They were. I'm like, damn, now I don't realize he doesn't left us. He left us out here to hang just dry out. You know what I'm saying? He ain't care, you know? He just left, took his ball and went on home. I respect the heap.

You're going to give it to anybody that's bawling and that's worthy. Like, moo, they're giving it to fire move right now. Mooh, he's getting a little moo. It's not hitting on. It's not hitting like the heath, but it's still, it's a little something in there. A little tight-in love. I'm fine with it. Yeah, you show the tight-heads love.

I'm good with it. Come on, man. I'm with it. Nobody care about no tight ends, man. What advice would you give to these young tight ends out here that got to do what you did, do both? Because a lot of these cats don't know I do both. I would say embrace it. Embrace it, yeah, because I think a lot of guys just want to pinhole them, pigeon themselves as like, I'm just a pass catcher.

And I'm just, or I'm just a blocker or whatever. but I think a tight-in that can do both has huge value to your offense, to your team, because now you're not predictable. You know, if you're just a pass-catching tight-in and you're in the huddle, Joe, I'm sure as a secondary guy, then you know what to expect. But if you're a guy who can do both, they always pose a threat. And, you know, blocking is a difficult thing, but it's not as hard as it may seem. you know, if you fully embrace yourself into it,

you can become a good blocker and just learn the technique and give some effort. You know, a lot of guys I see they don't even give effort. They're not even trying to block. Come on, you got to, if you give some effort, it's not that hard. Get your hands inside and run your feet, you know? Come on. Yeah. Dude, it's like they don't forgot it, man.

It's like, just hold. All you got to do is just hold. Get your hands inside and hold. Hey, that's what it is. That's what it is. I'm like, dude, I've been getting hell for a whole life. They get their hands inside on here on me. I'm like, yo, they're going to, it's nothing you could do.

They can hold you. I'm trying to act like, they're not acting. Get your hands inside. That's still holding, but that's not holding. That ain't holding. That ain't holding. Hell no. They're going to grab onto that breastplate, man, and you're going for a ride.

You can't go anywhere. That's what you're trying to break the arms off, but they got you too tight. As soon as you reach them hands up like that, you might go flying, Joe. Literally, no, that's what I'm saying. Now I'm up in the air. Now I'm exposed. Now he's trying to throw me on my back. Yeah.

Hey, Heath, you've been paying attention to our stillers and the coaching hires with the, with the moves by the gym? Yep, yep. Hey, hey, what you think, babe? What you think? First of all, what did you think of Omar and his moves with the guys

that he didn't acquire, man? I love Omar. You know, I think the same as Omar as you do, Debo. And he was there the whole time I was there and always treated me well. He and I have a great relationship as he does with. I think most players have the same opinion of him. So I was real excited for him that he got the opportunity.

And I'm excited to kind of see what he's going to do moving forward, kind of probably getting a little more ownership of the team now. And I think, yeah, I'm excited to see what transpires. Where are you thinking of McCarthy higher? I was, I'm not going to lie, I was surprised at the beginning, just because of the history of the Steelers, I just expected. And if you're around the Steelers,

which you guys both are, like, it's big on tradition. Like, the Steelers do things the Steelers way. So I was like, okay, then they're going to hire a young guy who I probably never heard of. He really had a defensive background. He'll be a good coach because they usually,

you know, they don't really miss. And so to hire, when they hire McCarthy, I was like, oh. Different. Okay. Okay. Okay, but then the more you wrap your mind around it. And I think I forget who I heard say something.

They talked about his history of developing quarterbacks. And, you know, the success he's had at quarterbacks going back to Green Bay. And, you know, in the state that the Steelers are in now, they're looking for the future quarterback. Like, everything made perfect sense to me. And he knows the history of the Steelers. He grew up in the city of Pittsburgh. He loves bleeds black and gold, no matter where you're going. go. If you grew up in Pittsburgh, you're always going to bleed black and gold. So I'm excited

about it. I think it was a good hire. Okay. Yeah. That's where we at with it now. You know, I was a little off on the other side for a minute, but, you know, I came to. Yep. Yeah. It was just, it was out of the box. Which is, yeah. It doesn't happen often with the Steelers. Yeah. Yeah, it was. What do you think about what do you think we should do a quarterback, Eve? Do you think, do you think that we got will Howard? Do you think we should use a draft pick to get a quarterback? Or do you think we should wait on A-Rod? But obviously, I think we're waiting on A-Rod, too.

But what do you think? They're waiting on it. But it sounds like- I'll give you GM. Put your GM hat on, he? I haven't heard anybody say anything bad about the young guy, Will Howard. But obviously, seeing it in practice and snippets and seeing it in a game is two different things. So I think if you really love it,

and you think you really see a future with him, then let's see what he can do. And that's obviously, you know, who knows what A-Rod will do. A-Rod is one of the best quarterbacks to ever play. Yes. You know. And I think if you draft the guy, I don't think you have to reach for a quarterback if you like Will Howard. I don't think there's any point at reaching. But maybe if A-Rod doesn't come back and Will plays this year, then you'll have a better idea of what you got in him going into next year's draft.

Maybe he's the guy, and then you can surround him with better players. but and looking back to Ben's situation, they had a great team and they had to Ben in the fold. So I think keep building our team and putting the pieces around and if Will's the young quarterback who takes over, great. If they got to draft the guy

that he can come into a team that has solid pieces around him to where he can, he doesn't have to be the man the men that he's in the huddle. He can grow into that kind of like Ben did. Yeah. I think we all saying the same as you, at the end of the day, we know the quarterback position is such an

important position. But if you have a team around that guy, you're not asking him to be too much, but just do your job. You know what I'm saying? When you have a great running game, you said like when Ben came in and you had that team around him, you're not asking him. He throws 18 times, 15 times a game, you win by 21 points. Like, Will, you could do that. You know what I'm saying? Like, give, have a lot of players around him where he's handing the rock off. You're not, he's throwing it 15 times and you're winning by 21. one, like, that's a great situation to be in. And then you can start getting hold of the offense, starting to open it up a little bit more,

you know, but defense, we have great players on defense. So I love the way you're saying it. Team got to play. So everybody always panics about the quarterback, and that's why I ask you about the quarterback position. But it's no panic. If you got a team around you, if everybody's balling and you need one, you need to go draft a quarterback, then we need a quarterback.

But you always need to make sure your offense line. Can we run the ball? Can he just hand it off? so now he's in a more comfortable position. Yeah, I agree with that, 100%. 100%. Hey, He's, before we jump into these super chats, man, you got anything going on, man?

What you got? What's prominent with you right now? You got anything? Well, a few years ago, I took over, I started coaching high school football. Okay. That's been kind of fun and exciting. I probably never would have did it.

I didn't have aspirations to do it. it. But my oldest was going into high school. They needed a coach. Man, listen, the kids are how you doing something? Them kids are how you doing something? What? So now I'm 10 toes in. I'm all the way in trying to help these kids. What's that? You're the head coach? I'm the head coach, yeah. Come on. Where? What the school is? Give me the school. That's 10 toes in.

San Anns-Belfield School is the name of the school. It's a private school, yeah. In Virginia. In Virginia. It's a what? It's a private school. Oh, it's a private school. Yeah.

Oh, man. What position does your son play? So I'll have two on the team next year. My oldest play safety and receiver. And the next one will play some receiver, probably outside a livebacker. You know who to call? We're going to send him with Debo for this summer. Send him on down here to AZ, man.

I've got, I'm going to send him back, man. Five-star. Already. Got it. He's on the way. Come on, Debo. Year one. Five star.

You ain't playing no daddy ball like Joe, is you? See, Debo, man, chill out. No favoritism here. The best players will play. That has to happen. Hey, that's why I love football. Just like a team, I had to surround myself with the best coaches that I could. So I got.

And there's a lot of UVA alumni guys in the area. So I'm like, hey. Oh, you guys want to help to coach football? They're like, yeah, we'll help. So I got two or three guys that played a UVA on staff. So that's the way you do it. My hardest thing is setting the calendar and the schedule. And those guys coach and, yeah, I could just manage.

That way they coach my kids. They decide who plays. They could be on them. And I don't have to do that. So we got a good situation. We're building something cool. Something special, baby. Yeah.

Build something special. That's good stuff. This your first year? So, no, I just completed my second season. So my second, we, we made it to the state championship last year and lost. So we're trying to build up to this year and see how we do. Yeah. Two.

Well, there's two divisions in private school in Virginia. We were in the lowest. Then next year we're going to be in the highest. They're moving us up. Oh, yeah, because y'all are moving y'all up? Because they're putting belt now. pulling that belt out What's your numbers?

How many students y'all got? Y'all can't be moving us up when our numbers ain't high. Your numbers high? We're numbers. We got around 200 boys and they moved the number down a little bit to now we're moving out.

We got to keep some boys out that ain't on that football team so we'll be a small school. We'll be the small school. They're crazy. Yeah, that's okay. They're crazy. Can we recruit?

That's, it's a private school so you can recruit. You can, we, so we have, we have boarding beds, so we can, we got some international players on our team. So we get some Europeans, we got some Canadian guys. They come down and they board, um, right on campus. So. Okay. Okay.

I got a couple, I got a couple of I can send to you, you know what I'm saying? Mm. I got a couple of cases. I'm going to put a send a son. I'm open for business. But you got to come coach, you got to come help coach. Well, you just messed that up. Joe, you're not too far away.

I know you guys are Joe. Come on down, Joe. We're in Virginia. So you send me the address. You send me the address. All right. I definitely want to come out. Devo will be the defensive coordinator.

I'm telling you. Hey, listen. Debo, that's how we get our feet wet. And then we go to Pittsburgh. And next thing you know, I'm telling you, Heath, you give me head coach vibes a thousand percent. I promise you. So if you keep this thing going, you'll be the head coach for the Steelers next.

And then Debo's your D coordinator and then I'll go cornerbacks coach. Okay, okay. Well, you like, hell. I might just want to be position coach, I just might want to be the position coach. You might want to be position. Okay, look, we could all go. We could all go in there as position coaches, get our feet wet together and then we figure out what we want to do. Y'all tripping. Y'all tripping.

Hold up, hold up. I ain't on that bull of shit. Y'all tripping. I told you, I ain't going unless I'm the head. I got to be at least D.C. I can't, uh-uh, hell no. No, that's what I'm saying. You can be defensive coordinator.

UDC, UDC. Okay. Heath, you can come in as whatever you want. I'm trying to tell you. I think you can get the head coaching job. But if you want to be the tight-ins coach, instantly tight-ins coach. I'm telling you, we can get that done now.

Okay. I think I'm not going to explain. We're going to go on over here. Five more years. We're going to win a couple of high school ships. Yeah. Then we could do it. If you win a chip, nope, I ain't about to say nothing stupid because then I got to do it.

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So Kiesel zoomed in to the team and got the guys fired up before the game. So he's one to know for the pregame speech. He's zoomed. You know you could do that. How he goes zoom? He ain't even show up. We had him on the big screen, you know. And he was like stroking his beard.

But he had his Super Bowl ring. Yeah. strobing his beer with his rings on, you know. Yeah, that's how you get the kid. He had the room rocking, though. He was like, what's up, Gus, you know? I love it. That's how you get to motivate it.

Yeah. We got Covenant Life back on the Super Chat, Joe, $20. She said he practicing against guys like James Harrison, Troy Palomalu every day, had to be intense. Is there a specific practice? the story where one of those defensive legends made you realize you had to level

your game up. Yeah, I think probably, well, in my rookie year, James and I went against each other a lot early on. Whether it be one-on-ones, when we get team reps. It seemed like I was always going against James,

and James never talked to me. Like, you know, he was off there. He always had the scowl on. And, like, I kid you not, Joe. After every practice, I'm going and I'm trying to get the cold tub, get my body right. Every time I turn the corner for the cold tub, Debo's in there. It's just me and Debo. He's not saying the word.

Me and Debo. And he's like, stuff. You know, it's up. I'm like, son of a gun, he's in here again. I can't get away from this guy. Devo's in here getting his body right, looking mad. He's getting his body right. I'm trying to get my body right.

We see each other at practice. He's grunting at me. He's already intimidating, you know? He's just scowling at me. Like, rookie coming in and trying to drop me. That's just my natural look. I'm just looking. Oh, my.

Now I know it's just his natural look. Sometimes he scowls a little more to like play up on it a little bit. Yeah, yeah. No, he knows it. He does that on purpose. Yes. Yeah. See, now I know that.

But that took a couple years to figure it out, you know. I mean, sometimes it's for real and the shit just come out. No, for sure. Yes. I finally. I mean, you know, you know what I'm saying? You know? Right.

Yeah. They'd be like, oh, shit. No, he ain't playing. Mm-mm. No. Yeah. No. And then, but then after, you know, after a while, it was, uh, we take, we take

care of each other during practice. No question. You know, make your work. The game. So, I'm thankful for that. Training camp, though. I ain't, I ain't making no deals in training camp. Training camp, y'all, y'all are.

I ain't making no deals. Yeah. Backs on backers. That's crazy. I ain't making no deals in training camp, bro. Liam 9087, $10, Heath. How far do you drive the golf ball? Who hits it further?

You, Big Ben, P.S., we haven't played around with Joe yet. Is it because he's... What? Is it because he's victim weight? See, you know why they call me victim weight? Debo says anybody under 200 pounds is victim weight. That's, no, man, I don't want to hear. That's a legit statement, right?

That's not a legit statement. I'm changing it to. It's hard to argue with it, Joe. You got to have to prove them wrong, Joe. Dang. I'm trying to put it to at least a bitch, press. I can't, I'm 185, but I could throw up to 225 times. Then I don't feel like a victim.

Then I can get somebody up off me. You know what I'm saying? Like, see, look, he's being nice. He doesn't believe it. He believes I'm a victim. He believes I'm a victim. He knows that. Crazy.

How far you drive the golf ball, Keith? I don't even know. I don't even know. Those all everybody. You don't really play golf like that. You ain't even got clubs, do you? No. I do have clubs,

but I have played in a decade probably, in 10 years. I would say, I play, I played more than you. You played recent, more than that? Yeah. I played last year.

Yeah, last year. I'm gonna play again this year. I just ain't go drive the bar. I want, man, I pulled my belt. Here's my. problem with golf. When I first came to the league, I played, but only like four or five times a year. And I'm thinking I should be getting better every time I played, but then I would get worse. And I'm like, I could spend four hours of my life doing something that I actually enjoy as

both of them mad for four hours and frustrated trying to find these golf balls that go in the woods. You know, yeah. You like the fish? Yeah, a little bit, yep. Do a little bit of fishing. That's what I never been. A little bit of hunting, a little bit of shooting. you can leave the time you want if you're fishing and you're not the fish aren't catching or biting you could just leave

you're not stuck on the course for four hours you're not stuck there look you could do nine holes or you could just leave whenever you want and normally though if you have money

and you're not paying a whole bunch of money to not finish I can't just leave you Joe for golf I can't leave you in the middle of the game if you get upset I'm gonna be like man you know it's not even that

you know definitely because the one thing I want to have Stop playing, man. I'm in for a good time. You know you can't leave in the middle. You're going to have a good time because it's going to make you feel better. When you watch how bad I am, you're going to feel more about your golf game. You get as many mulligans as you want, He.

Mulligans. Mulligans. You know what a mulligan is? Yeah, I know. You just, I give mine away. No, you get mulligans because you're strong. You're just missing the ball, dimming. No, I don't.

I stop swinging, Joe. I'm trying to tell you, I don't drive the ball no more. If it ain't a put, I don't even, I'm not, I'm not, that ain't, that ain't. I'm going to sit around there. I'm going on here. I'm going to smoke on my agar. Yes. You know what I'm saying?

Yep. I'm going to drink my Zivia. I drink Zia. You know, that it's good. It's good. There's no alcohol, so there ain't no sugar, nothing like that. Perfect. And then I go ahead and, you know, I chop it up.

I talk trash. Actually, when I get there, when I first get there, I talk so much shit that they like, oh, my goodness, he's good. And then they realize. I ain't got no clubs. I ain't got, I ain't got no, I ain't got no shoes. I ain't got, I ain't got nothing that go with golf. I ain't even got a glove.

But they be scared until they, because I talk. Do you have your shirt tucked in? Do you have a collar shirt on? Dude, I looked apart. Okay, you got the belt and everything. Okay, all right. I got the belt. Yeah, you got to have a belt.

You got a hat a belt. You got a shirt tucked in. Yeah, yeah, okay. A little puff out on it, you know what I'm, and I'm, you seeing the guns that's out. I'm like, yeah, they see. scared, too. They're like, oh, this is the smallest golf at the world. You're hit in a mile. I'm like, yeah.

I'm like, I ain't going to lie to you. I don't drive it no further than about 375. You got too many muscles to swing. That's what I'm saying. If you heard what he said. You can't rotate. No rotation. You ain't played in 10 years. I will take you

out to him with your ass. You heard what Debo said he said he tore his dealt trying to swing the golf club. I was swinging too hard. That's what I'm saying. You're not supposed to I think I could beat Debo That's a fact right now. I know you could.

You know what? That's a fact. You coming up? Yeah. You coming up for the draft, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Don't worry about it.

We'll get it together. Yeah. Put it together. Put it together. Edgewood. Nine holes. I'm going to bring about three boxes of golf balls. How many moments are?

Yes. Yes. How many holes we're playing? Nine holes in Edgewood. Just not. We can't play a team. We'll be there. How many?

How many, how many, how many, How many, how many, you said, nine holes? Nine holes. How many balls is in each box? 12. Yep. Right, Joe? I don't need about 20.

See, no. Nine holes, right? Only nine. Okay. Yeah, I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there for this one. He's going to be jotting stuff off left and right, too. Yeah, Joe, you know the rules.

I'm coming with the rules for sure. So you got to keep him within the rules. Yes, yes. Debo talking about he going to need 20 balls. You're just going to need to make sure. You're a double boge and we're going to beat Debo. What's a double boge? Two over par.

If it's a par four and you make six, that's a double bogey. You're going to be working about quadruples, sing-tupil bogeys. Like if it's a four, you're going to get a 10. If it's a three, I'm doing it too. See, that's a birdie. Yeah, that's what I do, and I eagle. See, he, we got him. I fly like an eagle.

We got him. Coming to life back, $20. She said a few players in NFL history have their name chanted by the home crowd every single time they touched the ball. How much did that support influence your play style and did, and did you feel, did you ever feel extra pressure to deliver when you heard it? I think it was more probably just, just you felt the love from the city of Pittsburgh and how much, you know, I think I only played in Pittsburgh, but I can only imagine, like, Pittsburgh's

kind of unique. It's like a, it's like a small town with big city amenities, I say. And the reason I say that is because everybody loves their teams. Like, it's all, whether it's the penguins, the pirates when they're good, the Steelers, the whole city is behind you. Like, everywhere you go, they got on black and yellow. They know what's going on with the team. They're wishing you luck. So, you know, that was just kind of like you just felt the love from the city and how much they appreciated what you were doing for the team and the hard work that you're trying to put in. That was absurd.

Covenant Life back again, Joe. $5.00. She said, Will Howard came from Old Money. That's why I call him Country Club. But when he show out this year, he will be Iron Club Will. Hush, Debo. You ain't like the nickname Country Club.

Hey, listen, Covenant Life. Covenant Life is a great supporter. Great supporter of the show. She's number one. Number one fan of Debo and Joe. Yes. But she was calling Will Howard. Country Club Will.

What? I liked it. Country Club Heath? You want to be called Country Club Heath? Don't that sound soft? You can be, yeah, you can't be the quarterback of the Steelers. Isn't that be your name? Oh, right.

Damn, I got the. Heath, when you say it, thank you. That's like a, that's like a Cardinals quarterback or something like that. This is blue collar. We're too blue collar in the steel city to have a quarterback. We ain't doing that. I'm listening to Heath. I'm listening.

I'm listening. You're correct. You're correct. Iron club. Iron club. I'm the one that was being too. I like it. Iron club.

Iron club. Yeah. Okay. Cover the light came with a better one. Iron Club, Debo. If he's, he said, I'm not going to ask you no more. I'll give you iron club, Will. I give you that.

Country Club? That's just so soft. Like, I'm coming to the country club. like, you know. My bad. My bad. That's my bad. He can, I stand corrected.

No more country. Coming in life back again, $20. He said, Heath, you had two Super Bowl wins. How many of you joke? Oh, never mind. I'm starting. Oh, but I was reading. I was thinking I was reading a lot.

She said, Heath, you have two Super Bowl wins. But was it, but it was the latter for me, would you rate that game against the Jets? Part of the top moments. Or was there a quieter play that was top for you? That 31-yard snatch and grab was fire? I don't know. Top play for me personally. My second year, I scored an 87-yard touchdown.

Was that on Cleveland? Charlie Batch through that. That was on Cleveland? Good old Charlie. No, that was against the Dolphins. I was against the Dolphins, man. Joe said he made you fun. who popped you.

He was like, I made, I fought, he, me, I made it. No, I put my head, I put my head on the ball. I did one time. I did one time. I don't remember that. Then he said, he may have. It may have. He said, he said, he fired off on he.

I didn't say it like that. And then I was like, did you win? He was like, no, we lost. For sure, we lost. It was the Thursday, it was a Thursday night game. We lost. Hey, I will, I will say, um, when Joe was a, maybe a rookie or second year, I called a ball in a class and I'm going to give it to Joe.

I'm going to try to welcome him to this, you know, I'm going to give it to. And I feel like I got it pretty good and I looked up and he was up. Yeah. Yeah. I felt like I got a little helmet, you know, I got my helmet. Yeah. Hey. See?

He kind of adjusted himself and started walking back to the huddle. So, okay, Joe. Thank you. Debo, I try to take it because I'm not, I wasn't afraid. I went on my little. Listen, you had on shoulder pads and all the other shit. You might have been 200. I'm 200 with my shoulder pads as a helmet.

That's okay, but you ain't no more. You don't play the game. You can't do it. You won't do it. Refuse to do it. Y'all are funny. But I appreciate that. He for letting me, for telling DeBaud, that you know that I'm out here hitting.

I'm not just avoiding people. Hey, he would not hold up. He said he wouldn't hold up the receiver if I was running in to come smack him. Like I could tell I, I'd be like, I hold him up. on, Ike hold him up, and I come in there and I bop, put that U-W-W-E-on. He said he wouldn't do that. Ain't that soft? Hey, that's between you guys.

Why not, Joe? Why not, Joe? Why not? I'm trying to, that's the long, that's where the longevity in the league comes in. If I'm still sitting there holding him and Debo comes and hits me and puts me to sleep, then I'm trying to play still. I'm just make the tackle, get him down. Debo's someone, hold him up, hold him up.

He's running over there full speed. I'm like this. How do I know where you're going to launch him? missile. You're going to hit both of us. No. As long as you hold him up, he gets it. All right. You know what? I hold him up for you. Ike will be on. Ike will be on. Don't worry about it.

Don't worry about Iko beyond. And he's going to tell you, it was only one time he went to sleep. And that's because he let him drop. Dude went dead weight and just. Heath, would you hold him up if he was on there? You're playing safety? If you're playing safety, Debo's like, hold him on, Heath. I'm coming. Maybe so. Yeah, I think so. That's a man. He ain't picked him money.

Didn't I? He don't got the mentality of it either. Didn't Ike, though? I took one. Did Law Dog get Ike one time in Carolina? That's a God. You know Law Dog running around like a blind dog in a meat guy down?

He was trying to hit shit. Yeah. And he hit him. He hit him. Yeah. So I got hit. You got, Debo, you got Ike once. And then Lawdoll got him.

He didn't go to sleep, though. I got him up, woke him up, and he still played. And I covered him that play so he could get his marbles back. Oh, good on you, Devo. Dude, he'll wake you up. He'll wake you up. That's what he's saying.

He'll go to wake you up. Listen, I'll put you to see in the game, baby. Make sure you stay in the game, nah. Got to, got to. That's how nice of a guy is. What a friend. What a friend. Definitely, definitely, man.

Definitely. Hey, hey, he, man, I want to thank you for joining us, brother. I will see you at the dress. for sure. When you, when you getting in? I think I'm coming on Wednesday. Okay. Hit me up when you get it. You're going to be, obviously, you go probably head over the Kisels, right?

Probably at some point, yeah. We'll get together. We'll get together, though. We'll get together. Yeah, I'm going to be, yeah. Matter of fact, Joe would be here then, too, right? Yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm staying on. I'm pulling up on Debo. I'm staying at the table. Yeah, he's staying over here. So, so everything will be good. Hey, man.

You let me know if I need to bring my clubs and we'll make the wager. Yeah. Whatever, whatever you want to do. I got to touch you. I might need your practice for a week. I got a week to practice. I got a week to practice. I don't even need the practice. I don't even need to practice.

That practice overrated. We're talking about practice. Hey, my money on you. I feel confident about it, Joe. I feel good. I'm talking about practice. I watched the Masters yesterday, so I'm good to go. Come on.

That's all it'll take you to watch? Yes. Okay. Well, I'm going to watch it too. I'm going to go watch the repeat. Of it. No, I ain't doing that, bro. I can't do that, bro.

I can't do that. I can't sit there and watch. I just, it ain't, it ain't. Watch the highlights. Yeah. I watched the last. What's the highlight? They hit the wall.

Did you see how narrow it is that those guys got a drive-through? That's, that's, that was crazy. Yes. That was crazy. And then my man, Roy, he still kind of threw it in the pine straw. Yeah.

And then he got him about, he got out. Got a bottle there. Man, whatever, man. I see you when you get here, man. Ladies and gentlemen, thank Heath Miller for showing up. up. Thank you, buddy. He. I appreciate you, brother. Keep up the good work. Thank you, brother.

Thank you, man. I will see you on Wednesday, Thursday, if not, sometime around there. Matter of fact, we're going to go to the barn, Joe. Yep. Yeah, for sure. For show, for show. Heath, Keesel, a couple of other boys, all the other stuff, man. Guys, thank you for joining us on this episode of DeBoon Joe. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show. Joe. Yo, see you tomorrow.

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