Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Tom Brady ENDS Bill Belichick Debate + Are WRs Overpaid?

Episode Date: July 10, 2026

NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden react to Tom Brady putting an end to the Brady vs. Belichick debate, Raiders owner Mark Davis' comments on the NFL keeping grass fields, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Anonymous Exec calls WRs overpaid06:24 - Tom Brady on Bill Belichick debate20:09 - Raiders owner dedicated to keeping grass field38:30 - Super Chats (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'd be remiss if we get out of this interview without bringing up the old ball coach. We haven't talked about Bill one time yet. Yeah. I see so many things, and this started happening while you guys were still in the league. Is it Bill? Is it Tom? Like, who is responsible for the greatest era of success in the history of the NFL? Yeah. How do you react to those kind of, I guess, clickbaity arguments as well as, like, what do you think of Bill and what he meant for your success?

First of all, I think he's the greatest coach that, you know, ever, a greatest head coach in terms of preparing a team to win. There was nobody better. I was my privilege to play for him as his quarterback. There's no coach I'd rather choose. And it's just a dumb analogy. It's like, what's more important, the left tackle or the center? Like, I don't know. Well, left tackle.

We'll be honest about that. I disagree. I disagree. There's nobody more important to winning Monday through Saturday than the head coach. Especially in football. Especially in football. And there's nobody more important on Sunday than the quarterback. Now, everybody's important.

The person who washes the clothes is important. The quarterback just has an outsized kind of ability to help the team win because he touches the ball so much. But I need everybody to do their job. But if you have bad quarterback play, it doesn't matter what else you do, you're not going to win. And if you have bad coaching, it doesn't matter how well the players are doing. You're going to lose. So I just think that question is like, they're all important. There's no way I could have been the player I was without him.

And I think we pushed each other to, you know, get the best out of each other. And I think he's just, he's incredible. Anyone who played underneath them would say the same thing. Hall of Famer should have been first ballot, man. Crazy. Yeah. Besides all that, man. One of the most respected ever to do it, man.

That's facts, Joe. And that right there, bro, is why everybody loves and respects Tom Brady. You can disagree with him. You can say he doesn't say some crazy stuff, but you still go respect him in. Dude, he gives as much as respect probably more than he gets. He gives people, like, it's so much respect. It don't matter if you were a practice squad, dude. if you would do on the team for 10, 15 years, man.

And him saying what he said is, it's facts. Bill Belichick is the greatest coached ever coached the game. You're looking at it. You see it. You see his championships. You see his coaching tree. You see everything that dictates that he should have went first ballot

Hall of Fame. The fact that he didn't go first ballot Hall of Fame, man. The NFL Hall of Fame has lost all in absolute credibility. We talked about it. Yes. And this is what I say, Debo. I agree with him 1,000 percent because we see these quarterbacks. If Tom Brady wasn't drafted to the right situation where you have a coach that's

able to hold everybody accountable, his stars, all of his players, him and Tom Brady may have been bump in heads because he's holding that man accountable. And that's what you need from a great coach to be able to push you to be able to get the best out of you, to not let things slip to not let that stuff just get so, just any, like Blase-A, flowy. No, it's none of that flowiness with Bill Belichick. You're going to be held to a standard every day. And that's what makes the coach so great because great players, if you want to be great and you know how much it takes, you will take the coaching because you know it's to make you better.

It's nothing to harm you. It's only to help you. So if you want to be great, come take this coaching. Come, let's watch this film together. I'm willing to put in the hours because when you're a great coach, you can't deny. He's doing everything he can sometimes maybe a little bit too much to get the edge, but the edge is going to get, you're going to know your coach is going to put you in the best position to win. So that's one with Tom, and he could have went to a different team, got drafted to a different situation.

And like Aaron Rogers, that's when you put, if you put this quarterback in this situation, how many wins does he get? What is it the coach or quarterback? Right. It all works together because you can't say if Aaron Rogers was drafted. to the Patriots because he wasn't. And Bill Belichick wasn't coaching Aaron Rogers. And that situation didn't happen.

It happened to be Tom Brady that got drafted there. Happened to be Bill Belichick coaching him with all of these players that he coached up all of these years to have this greatness and be able to do what they were doing because that's a great coach that's leading amazing talent on the defensive side, offensive side, special teams bringing you in with execution. It doesn't matter with just sometimes being able to get rid of good players that you need knowing like it might be a year.

He was doing it a year early before a year too late. Bill Belichick just was able to cut the emotional side out of it and be like, what does the tape look like? What is going to be the best process for this team? And that's why when him and Tom Brady could start getting a little, he's like, I need to be playing for the future past Tom Brady. Like that's a situation where you're a coach planning for your team all around no matter what's going on. How's it looking? We were knowing like, okay, boom, boom, boom. Just that's what great coaches do.

So I respect Tom Brady talking about him. such a high level and the same thing with Bill Belichick because they know what it takes. One couldn't do it without the other. It takes a great quarterback. Tom Brady was great. He wanted to be great. He studied. He loved the game.

And the coach at the same time is bringing in everybody, other coaches, schemes, coaching other players and having his team and his system ready for each other. Both of them, it was a perfect match made in heaven. So we can't take away one from the other. He's like, I needed him. Or it wouldn't not look like that. And I needed him or it would not have looked like that. We needed our players.

We needed Randy Moss. We needed, you know what I'm saying, Gronkowski. We needed this team. So I think they both, they're speaking very highly on each other and you can't have one without the other. Yeah. I mean, you basically said everything that needed to be said there, man. Like, would it look different if it was, you know, somebody else? I don't know, who knows.

But I know, like with Tom Brady having the skill that he has. and all that. Could he have went somewhere else and got seven or eight without Bill? I don't think so. I don't think Bill could win anywhere else with any other quarterback and got seven or six or seven, whatever it was without time. So, you know, one can't go without the other, even though y'all want to try and separate it and point to who's the best.

They're not, they're not ego-driven. Nobody wants to have more credit than the other person. When you start getting ego-driven people who want more credit and want to be seen things, start getting destroyed and tore apart like teams players uh whole organizations you know what i'm saying you know so that football is one of the biggest football is the biggest team sport you need everybody like when he's talking about that's why tom speaks highly on you know is the tackle better more than important the center he's like if the center wasn't snapping me that ball every time and maybe making the center might be the ones being able to make the checks being at the center

of the line. You know they always say to tackle because you're guarding the quarterback's blind side. So, but Tom Brady's like, okay, that's cool for sure. I need that. Right. The center isn't making those checks and he's in control of everything. Right. All right. I would say my center was more important than my tackle. You know what I'm saying? And that's Uncle, that's Tom Brady. And that's not for other people like, no, no, no, no. He's protecting his blind side. I'm like, my center can't stop that nose from running him over. Immediately when he snapped that ball, we're in trouble.

Then we're in trouble. The plays don't get started. Don't even get started. The center quarterback exchange. He got to get me. He's touching the ball every play too. Right. So, like, just for him to say that, like, it's just, quarterbacks understand.

Everybody's on. I didn't even hold onto the ball long enough to get his blind side. He was getting out of there. The time anybody, dude. I had a free shot on that dude a couple of times. And I'm like, I just whipped this dude in, like, 0.5 seconds, and he still got the rock off. That's a lot.

It was literally times where all they had to do was just touch you, bro. And that was enough time that you'd be getting it. as he letting it go. Mm-hmm. I'm like, dude, what the hell? It's the brother next. He already know. He already know where he's going to go.

Like, yeah, it was, it was, it was ridiculous at times. And now, you know, of course, they, you know, they did, they did a little, uh, fan, uh, you know, a little fan dangling over there, you know, and that one year, you know what I'm saying? Like the year was undefeated, we popped them and Philly back to back. And then they can't get the championship game, bro. When I say they caught us on, they only missed one blitz. What in the world, Joe, how many times in your career have you ever seen where a offense get y'all on every blitz y'all do but one? Now, don't forget, we blitz blitz blitz now.

We're blitzberg back then, boy. You're talking about 25 blitz, something like that. How many times, Joe? I can't tell you. I can't. I mean, I can't. I mean, I can't. I mean, this time you don't had to where your blitz did not get there.

They threw right into traffic looking at everything. It's telling you that, hey, man, they're coming from here. They're coming from here. And they're like, nope, no it ain't. No it ain't. They're throwing it right where you wouldn't want to throw it if you're looking at the, you know what I'm saying? If you're looking at this false setup, we got coming to you. Yeah.

But dude, they was doing that, uh, they was doing that hurry up. It ain't even hurry up. It was just, you know, call at the line. So we throwing their signals, man, they're catching all that. I don't care. Nobody said they're catching all that. They moved. Bro, we hit them by like 21.

Before, man, they came back and popped us by like 21. In the playoff game, championship game. Well, you all running the same plays? Bro, we was running the same defense. We was doing different blisses. You know, I coached the bowl. Yeah. He go line it up, do like, do, like,

like this, whatever, whatever. But what they did is they caught a signals. So that's when you signaled everything in. So it was, you know, you got to do it with the hat and he signaled or whatever. We didn't have a throw-off call. We didn't know cats were still a signal. Oh, man. No, so, yeah, y'all.

You got the throw-off call now, too. You got the dummy call. He had no dummy call. We ain't know what they's doing. Oh, man. Okay. Yes. You all I'm saying?

Yeah, you got to learn. You got to learn the finagle, Dibbo. You had to throw the finagle route. Well, we started after that whole thing went down, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. We started doing that. But then they brought in the headphones for it, for the defense. You got the little green dot.

Yeah. How long did the green dot on until, what, 15 seconds? I want to say 15 on both. For the quarterback and for the quarterback. Okay. Well, see, that's, they stuff was on the whole time. So they had to line 40 seconds. They call in defense.

They lined up. So we're trying to get where. whatever, hell, they got a whole, what, 25 seconds there to communicate. Dibo, they had that extra time? No, they got 25, so you deal with 40 seconds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. But they already lining up.

So as they lining up, we're looking and they call him. So they got that whole 25 seconds to figure out what's going on for this even cut out. So that's a whole, I could be like, oh, yeah, it's blah, blah, blah. It's coming from over here. Don't pay attention that they show on hard here. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's all I'm saying, bro.

Oh, no. Like, that's like playing Tecmo Bowl and I get your play. Yes. It's over with. You're looking at my controller. Right. I got A, B, or X. And that's, that, that's, that's, you know, that's basically what it came down to,

bro. Like, they was, they was hitting. I'm like, good and Lord. Like, I'm like, how did we, we already, like, yeah, we're about to get to Super Bowl. Like, this. And we at home, we was at the crib. crib. Bray.

That was, that was, that was, that was upsetting. That was upsetting. That was upsetting. That was upsetting. That should have been a back to back.

Because the next year we won in 2006. Stole a two piece. Oh, man. They stole a one piece of Lee. Stole a one piece of Lee. Stole a one piece. One piece at least, bro. He wouldn't have got the next one though.

Oh, is it. Hell. bro here's here's this thing bro like the next year after we won bro we didn't even make the playoffs

we was like I don't even know what happened bro I ain't go lie I was that was the first time I realized I was like yo you can't party I parted too long

I ain't go lie to at first one in 2005 it was yes that was only three years in oh I was bro I was going over there in Detroit bro listen bro

that whole that whole off season bro I think I I think I kicked it until right before we came back for training camp, bro. Come on, Debo. Bro, I was young. I was foolish.

You know what I'm saying? I was out in the streets. You like that in the young days. Right, the streets had me. They had me. But I still went to the gym. I still worked out. I did all my stuff.

I just, you know, that was when you know, you can burn it at both ends, but it's still affecting you. Oh, for sure. You ain't got that. You don't feel it this much. You know what I'm saying? You don't feel it nowhere. You're going to get on the back.

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Listen to Sweet 305 with Lele Pons as part of my Culturea Podcast Network on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Football should be played on grass. You know why he felt like football should be played on the grass, though? He said, that's for safety purposes, number one. and he said, I wanted to look like a game was played even if it's an indoor facility. You see grass stains and everything else. I wasn't going to a stadium without it being grass once I knew the capabilities was there.

Obviously, it added a lot of costs, but it's worth it. The man is putting his money where his mouth is. They've got an indoor facility over there. is hotter than which is whatever. Yeah. Brough, they roll it in and out. Every stadium, if y'all want to have these indoor stadiums, every stadium required to have a rolling in and out indoor turf.

You got to roll it out, roll it in. You know what's so crazy? When I did NFL Europe, dude, it was, they had, I can't think of the name of the place. I was induced it off Germany. The name of the soccer team, I couldn't remember it. But they had rolling in and out turf back then. That was like 2002, bro. They rolled the whole turf out.

Like, if they did an event, they rolled the whole turf out. And when I say the whole turf, man, that turf was like, it had to be like maybe eight or ten feet, like, yeah, tall, roll it in and out. They bring it out for water, grass. I mean, water, light, all that. Yeah. No, that was some good grass out there.

I ain't going to lie, bro. I ain't going to lie to you, brother. Like this is the owner that actually really is like, yo, I don't care about the cost. Safety. That's number one, Joe. Joe. Yes. What do you, what do you think of?

Football should be played on real grass, 1,000 percent. It just is the way. It feels so much better. FIFA came in and they were saying that basically they know grass is the way. If you're not worried about no money, you're not afraid about. You go switch it back to turf. because they know that's just cost efficient. If you want to have something that's just people can,

you can put stuff on, you can roll events on there and have different things happen and then it's going to stay more the same. But as far as wearing tear, if you want to have your best ability on it, plant on grass is just the way to go. For your joints, obviously. And then when it's that good grass, the grip,

and it gives a little bit more. So you're not, it won't get, your ankle won't get caught in it. It's just, it's naturally going to give a little bit just because that's the way grass works. So him saying it is the most, is obvious. But knowing at the end of the day, when the owners, if you were to say, I do have a product out there, I am playing, what is the best thing? We're talking about player safety.

Grass is obviously better for players. So it just, if you want to say that, I know it's going to cost a little bit more, but you are investing into your product. You are investing into the players. So obviously, like you said, unless they make it mandatory, then you could see some owners not doing it because financially it's not it's it costs more it's not efficient for them they have to move it just make another step but if you're just saying boom my I'm managing my asset my football team I got my players out there I want them to have the best playing surface we use natural grass we can do that and then you'll see the owners that do step up

and do that it's just because they are they know it costs more some people some owners and some people that own things, they'll do stuff for their employees, knowing it's not as cost-efficient for them, but it's just the right thing to do. They're still making money. It's not going to take from everything. They're not going to go into the red because they're buying a new field. No, it's just going to, this year might not be as much profit because we ended up putting this into the field.

Cool. So next year's numbers will probably be, you know what I'm saying? It's just the, when you see an owner say it like this, like boom, I know. Hey, listen, listen, when you see a owner, he is the only owner that has said it. like this. What are you talking about? But the other Jackson... I'm surprised they ain't went and and tried to put a leash on his mouth or something. No, the other

owners that have switched it to grass, the ones that have grass, they say this. They say it so it's the ones that aren't saying nothing that do have turf that are still chilling. They know why they're not doing it. Put it out there that they said it's for safety purposes, number one.

How many owners have said, I'm changing this for the safety purpose, period? Put it out there to the public. Can you name one? Was it the Jacksonville Jaguars that just switched off of there to whoever somebody, if the Buffalo Bills? Jacksonville was always grass. The Buffalo Bills, grass? But if you're grass, I mean, it doesn't have to be.

I don't think so. I think Buffalo, they switched to grass. The new stadium is turf. If they switch from grass to turf. No. They were turf. And that's what you said. And that's what you said.

No. They might still be turf. I don't know. Let me. Anybody tell me what Buffalo's new stadium will go be. Chat. If a team, if a team is already grass, though, and it is grass. They don't have to state, I mean, they would obviously, if they would have been turf,

it's because they could hold other events there. If a team already has grass, that's because they're obviously probably looking out for the best of the team. They know the stadium is so far away that they don't have the opportunity to hold more events. And it could be a situation. where you know what, the grass is a lot cheaper now. Why? Because I'm in good weather.

It's easier to take care of. It's going to be one team playing on this. It ain't going to be 20, 30, 40 games played on this thing. You know what I'm saying? Like, you go and, like, that's what it is. But I guess they switch from turf to grass. The bills. Okay.

Those did, yes. All right. So now they got an underground heating system, grow lights, moorst to control, all that. Like, they just put some money into this thing. Why? Cold in Buffalo. You can't, you can't let the, you can't let the field go and just do a, what was it?

What was the frozen tundra of land? It can't freeze over. Then you can't. You can't get to the ground at all. You can't go into the ground at all. But you know what? That's part of, that's part of, you know, that's part of the game, though. You got, you got to go on here, put them seven, you got put them seven stools on.

Get it going when it's snowing out there real thick. What Cleveland go do, Joe? They go put in turf or they go put in grass? Grass. Are you sure? Oh, but I don't know for sure by the end, but I definitely would expect us to put in grass. Expect it to feature artificial turf, Joe. No.

With a retractable roof, watch. Artificial, no, no. That's what it says, Joe. Artificial turf. Well, synthetic surface to accommodate a year-round event. See? Yes. Concerts, conventions, and motorsports, Joe.

That is obviously what I was saying right there. It's showing you that part of it. That part of it, we just let them know. That stadium is also used for the bag. That stadium is also used for the bag. We will have concerts in there. It will be a lot of events going on. Got to be more careful.

But it's going to be turf and we're going to be able to hold it Super Bowl. But that's not what, that's not one. You could have got grass and still held the Super Bowl. I know. I know. I know. This is not player efficient turf. Hey, player of fishing turf.

You mean just grass? We needed grass. Play a friendly surface. Player-friendly surface. God. All right. Joe, that's how y'all do it, man. Y'all go spend a billion and then put turf in that thing.

We're going to hold a lot of events. It's the, it's the, I can't. We're going to hold a lot of events. We're coming up to all these events in the middle of winter when it's snow. And it's, they get real snow. there, Joe. I'm only 40 minutes away from that and I get some of it, but they get, bro, you could drive 40 minutes, bro.

Sometimes they don't get hit back crazy. Three feet. We really got artificial. We really got artificial. If Buffalo gets more snow than y'all, and they got real grass coming. That's crazy. They got it because they, and they got a They win. They got a little dome too.

They win. We really doing artificial grass, Debo? Yes. That's what it says. That's what they're reporting. I don't. What you want me to do? I'm going to check on your reporting, but. Go talk, go talk to the people, man.

Go talk to your people. Make a call. Make a phone something. I don't know. Turf, man, look, we go to turf, you. I like grass more. Cleveland.com. You got to be moving fast.

Go check it out, brother. All right. They said, expect the Brownsby paying on office, turf, what you want me to do? I can't, I don't make this up. What are you going with? I don't make this up, Joe. I don't like making up things, man.

I don't like... I don't like Cleveland looking like Cleveland. I mean, that's what they do. But you know, we're going to be able to wear... We're just going to... Oh, my goodness. Look at you, Joe. That's why y'all can't do nothing.

Y'all go for the... Oh, my goodness, Joe. So I just... We need... We need... This is looking right here. Just tell you something, bro. Like, every time, bro, I'm trying to...

I'm trying to... I'm trying to get you to do what you need to do, man. Help them. You're talking about the land and all that other stuff, man. You need to. Who going to the land? Like, what? Huh?

Who? You know what they go do then? They'll start holding all type of games there and all that. They're going to have every game. That turf will be, it's going to probably get tore up because they go use it so much. They're going to have a game on every day. They can. They're looking for the bag.

That's good. Yeah. Why don't you all look for the trophy? We're looking for the trophy. Y'all, y'all ain't been looking? We all looking for the trophy. You're all trying to camp about the start. You're like, hey, they got a trophy around here somewhere.

I think it's a, I think it's like a jackalo. It's a mythical. Don't get, we never seen this. Don't get confused. Don't get confused. It's a unicorn. We're looking for it. Put that horn.

Y'all, y'all putting glue horns on horses and shit. Don't get us confused. We're just because we, just with, just with. Who? We got. Who? What the team? With the team?

Or even going to. See. So, okay, I was making sure. No, we haven't. We have. We have. We on the way. We got to first figure out what's going on with Shador. First got to figure out our quarterback situation.

All right? Our defense's been solid. We got the weapons on receiver. But right now, I was just worried about what's going on with that. I don't know if that, that, that, that, I don't know if all that turf will be conducive. You're going to be able to move. We're going to be flying around on the turf.

That's for sure. not going to be a footing excuse, but, damn. Hey, I could have swore. I could have swore a shoulder used to playing on grass, ain't? You can play on all surfaces. I'm just saying. Shado can play on all surfaces. I'm just saying.

Don't let the surface. The surface is going to do nothing, but I'm saying it's going to keep him healthier because when he getting sacked and plumb it to the ground, it's going to be a lot of turf burn on that turf from sliding and getting slung. It's going to be a lot of good block. a lot of pocket presence. We were talking about how Tom Brady's getting the head, the quick release. If you don't, don't do that.

As soon as you beat, as soon as you beat your blog, he's like, oh, man, that Shado got out his hands already. Yep. Stop playing. You know he patting to. He was ready, right there. He was ready. You know he pating too, man.

Quick pat. Everybody pat. Everybody pat. I don't pat. I don't pat. I get that thing out. Man. If I pat, it's this, because I'm pumping.

That's it. I don't put on to, and then it's, huh, uh, and then it's, you you wasn't, I was a quarterback. I had a little, I had some time. Joe, I don't believe you could throw that all at all. Man, Dibar, I got a rocket. Wait till last, wait till we link up next time. Like your who game?

I only, what, we only lost, look, I had 20 last game. That's all I'm going to tell you. How much you lost by? Four. Against who? Not the same team? No, no, not the same team. Another team.

You ain't won a game yet. We owe in two. Damn shame. We only had two games. So the third game coming up this week, Sunday. About to be 0 and 3. Ain't no way. This team are we playing.

What you want to put on it, Joe? I put 20 on it. Oh, that's too much for me. Nah, uh-uh. Hell no. Uh-uh. No, I put, I put $5. $5.00.

I hell no, $5. Nick, I'm giving a dollar. I can't lose all that if I lose. See. I could do a whole lot with a dollar. All right. But, yeah, we're going to win this. No much penny candy I can get with a dollar?

You know how much water? I could get poured into my hand for a dollar. Debaugh, core real question. You never played quarterback though before, have you? Joe, do you think I was always big, huh? No, no, no. I don't think it was always, man, I mean, maybe. Joe, I wasn't, I wasn't always like this.

I worked my way into this, Joe. So you played quarterback. I used to be victim weight, like you. And I said, you know what? I'm tired of being over here and not going head. and getting to feel what it's like to go and just, put somebody down, putting them asleep. You know what I'm saying?

I was like, I want to do that every day, every play. And I said, hey, I got to eat weights. I started eating weights, Joe. Okay. 10 to age of probably 16. 16, okay. It ain't really work out for me as well as I thought it would because I only left high school.

I know my rap sheet said it was 6-2-2-10. Ain't no. You never been. Joe, Joe, stop, stop, Joe, stop. Listen, I'm trying to tell you the truth. I'm trying not to. I was, it said I was 6-2-2-10, but, you know, as, when I played in high school, it was always two inches and 20 pounds. So I was six foot 190.

Okay, okay. I'm just being honest. I was about to say. So when they, listen, Joe, I believe my heart and soul. So when I got to college and I was able to play after having to sit out, two years and they measure me and I was only six foot I said huh I was like yeah you believe a lot eight something to believe the extra two inches that you put on back in the day what yeah you stay right happy legit six foot but I was 270 though mm so when did you did you play quarterback

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Listen to Sweet 305 with Lele Pons as part of my culture, podcast network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It was on a video game, though. Thank you. I'm like, win, when? I knew you didn't play quarterback, Dibot? Now, I could tell you legitimately, I will pull up my high school highlight tape,

and it's me spinning the ball, quarterback. Joe, I could throw the ball. I could throw the rock, Joe. I just didn't want to play the position because it wasn't hard to know. enough position for me. What? It wasn't enough contact, Joe. Hey, Joe, I'm going to tell you this right here, though.

I ain't going to lie to you, bro. I'm spending that, Rob. Joe, I ain't going to lie to you, bro. Listen, I played the school. I can't remember the name of the school, dude. But damn, quarterback, bro. Listen, bro. I ain't, listen.

Big country white boy, Joe. Was he okay. Bro. Is he nice? Listen, this, this, this dude, he played quarterback in middle. linebacker. Yep. Yeah.

He was like 6-2, 6-3. Yep. Yep. About 2.30, 24. Yep. Yep. He was nice, too. Hitting.

Run you all over. Was he more running? Was he running the ball at all or throwing? He was slinging that thing. See? I ain't go lie. He was kind of weak at that backer. I put that ooh-wee on him because I was, I was tail back then.

I put that who we on him. That's what I knew. I knew you. Our big lineman dude, he goes running to tackle this dude. And you know how the lineman just grab like this. Yeah. Man, he went to grab like this. Oh, dude, put his head down, put his helmet right here.

Ow, dude caught him. He ran him. Like, he didn't run due over. He hit, fell on top of the quarterback. They went back that way. But, bro, do you know he cracked his sternum? That's when I was about to say. He fractured his sternum.

I know. Oh, my. This dude finished the game with it. I said, ooh, will you better than me? Oh, you're a wild man. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. I cannot.

Mm-mm. That's why you don't leave your chest open. No. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, I'm looking at the film and I'm like,

damn, that's, that boy got the line, the inside lineback got the same number as a quarterback. That's him. That's him. Yeah. Yes. When I say he could slang that thing, man, he was throwing that thing like 50. yards on a rope, bro. Too bad they couldn't catch.

It'd be like that. Bruh. Let me go over here, man, get these super charts, man, before we be over here all the day. We got Tennessee King four two, three,

$2. He said, F the Patriots since the Jesse James touchdown. I feel you. I feel you. That was that was, that was cheap.

He scored. Knee down, cross the line, Tuddy. I know. Everybody know it, Joe. Everybody know that. Everybody know it, Joe. You know, I know. Everybody know you know.

Look here, man. And, you know, let's be, hey, I ain't go lie to you. It was the rest. But listen, here, I ain't go, listen, I'm going to tell you something else, too, Joe. I was over there, man, when I went over there for the, for the, my last, you know, when I left the Steelers and y'all got kicked out the playoffs and we went to the Super Bowl. I went over there and I was playing, bro, and it was a call.

It was a call that I'm looking at it on a jumbotron. I'm like, oh, yeah, they got us on that one, right? And the call comes out, and it is the total opposite. It's in our favor. Dada-da-da. Bruh, I actually looked at a dude. I ain't even to tell you who it was. I said, what is that?

He said, it's the Patriot way. I said, what? See? I said, though, he's like, you know, we get calls that ain't supposed to be a call sometimes. I said, so you know that car was wrong. He's like, yeah. Yeah. See, that, damn, at least he knew.

At least that's at least some, Patriots, they got enough. They got enough. I'm like, oh, yeah, they got us. You know what I'm saying? They got it right. I'm like, oh, my goodness. Yeah, that one was. That was, that was all the way jenky.

And at least when the real fan, when the Patriot fans know it was janky, but they're going to take it. They're going to take it. Yes. I don't blame them. But is that happened for the system? You're going to take it? Ah. He's like, yeah.

No, no, he said, no. He said, this New England. That's what he said. He said, this New England. He said, this New England. I'm like, oh, so that's what happened over here? He's like, yeah. Damn.

Damn, damn. Ro, Covenant Life, $10. She said, Mina Kim's, Ryan. Meena, who? Kimes. I say Kim's to me. Yeah, I feel you. I just know her name.

Oh, you know her name. Yeah, yeah. Ryan Clark ranked the bangles ahead of the still. What? What are they seeing that you're not seeing in Pittsburgh? You want to know. Is this analyst or is it just the same old national narrative? This is what it is, covered in life.

If you have a young, if you have a young quarterback that in the day, is a franchise quarterback, young and in his prime, and they have weapons on the offensive side of the ball, they always are going to say that they have a shot. When they had Jamar Chase and a healthy young Joe Burrow with T. Higgins, and then they say they're going to get some, they got some defensive pieces. They know if the defense is just average,

they're going to be able to score 40. That's how they look at the Cincinnati Bengals. They can score 40. They can score 40. If their defense is just comparable. So when they have the young Joe Burrow with Jamar Chase and T. Higgins, they look at that as an offense that's unbelievable. So if you just have a competent defense, they're always trying to put the Cincinnati Bengals to a high level.

He didn't play a lot of last year. They're saying the injuries, but they're always saying if Joe Burrow is on that team, it's Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, that offense, 40. Defense, give me something. They're up there. That's how everybody, analyst, the sports world, they look at them with, y'all got Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase T. Higgins. Y'all have 40 on offense every time if they're out there. Get you a defense that does anything and y'all should be able to get to the Super Bowl. With us, they're like, oh, do y'all got Aaron, right?

Y'all don't, who's y'all's quarterback? The defense is not doing the way that they've been doing. Like, like, y'all are just going to be average, average, average, average. What is the next thing? So, you know, we can say, I believe that we're still going to be nice, but everybody else outside nationals, like, distillers, when is the last time they won the playoff game? The Bengals were already to the Super Bowl with Joe Burrow,

with Jamar Chase. They've seen them do it before. So they always like, oh, healthy Joe Burrow, they're going to be able to get there. They're going to be able to do it. Just defense do something. Defense do something. So that's Brad, like Bengals.

I keep looking at it too. I'm like, yo, the Steelers won the division that like Joe Burrow didn't play. Lamar Jackson wasn't healthy. Okay, okay, we got the same squad. Aaron Rogers, oh, okay, we got better on offense. Defense is better. I'm looking at it. We're looking at it.

Like, just chill. We can still be right. We're going to, we were in the mix last year. Nobody expected it. We got distiller. What are they going to do? Oh, man, Aaron Rogers. We still won the division.

All right. Now we got a better little squad, defense. Let's lock the fuck in. And now I think we can sneak in where other people are like, no, they're just going to be able to still go and do, you know what I'm saying, 10 to 7, you know what I'm saying, maybe make the playoffs, maybe not Bengals. They're just giving them a higher ceiling with a franchise quarterback with Joe Burrow. Like, he's healthy with them.

They're going to put up 40. They went and got some defensive pieces. They're trying to acknowledge that if he can make it through the season, they're just better. I'm like, no, they're not just better. Like, we can play against them, lock that defense up. You know what I'm saying? They can't just go down and score on a, us at bay.

You know what I'm saying? So we play our game. They're not just beating us. And everybody's looking like, no, Joe Burrow out there, they're going to be able to score how many times they want to score. So outside looking in, it's easy to say, you've seen Joe Burrow, be Joe Burrow and do it with Chase and Higgins. So they're always just, oh, no, with the hell they're just putting 40 on the board.

And now defense do something. So that's why everybody nationally thinks the Bengals are going to be so good. And I'm just like, you're going to have to play the games. They're going to have to score 40 still. You know what I'm saying? Joe Burr's going to stand up right. These dudes are nice. You got ballers.

So I'm not mad at you when you say it because it does make sense. We've seen it before. But I just, it got to happen. Season got to happen. Yeah, season got to happen. Like I said, Joe, I don't agree with none of that. Covenant Life. $10 again.

She said, if you were building your own powerhouse, where would you rank the Steelers today? And what has to have to have? in training camp to make them a legit team. Joe? Well, what have to happen in training camp is... Hey, I'm on podcast. Literally, my thing is the defense, the execution,

execution of the defense, execution of the offense, everybody, just execution. Like, we have the players. If we can execute with the running game, blocking, stay ahead of the sticks, executing in the past game, people knowing their routes, assignments. being on spot one time with the communication with Aaron Rogers.

The defense aside, I'm not seeing anybody running Scott Free. Like I said this before, if people are in their same, everybody's in their positions and dudes are just not going out of their selves, but just playing consistent football, good football, like discipline football. I think we're going to be head and shoulders above what anybody else thinks, because I think we're hurting ourselves, getting ahead, behind the sticks, just like drop first downs, losing on first downs just because of hurting ourselves. So if we're not hurting ourselves, that's all we need.

I'm like going through training. I just want to see us play the games the right way, not hurt ourselves offense, run the ball. Aaron Rogers, hit the dudes when we need them. When a running game's hitting, one safety come down, decay, time to work on the outside when we get doing one-on-ones. Let's hit all one-on-ones. You know what I'm saying?

Like just basic football stuff. So there's not nothing going to be crazy, but it's just going to be you're watching a good-ass football team perform and not having people running around looking like an undiscipline. team. Okay. I'm with you. I'm with you, Joe. Cunning of Lock.

I guess she is back again for $10. She said, Joe, this morning, GMA, they featured the Browns helping their school with a new football field and the little kid said, thank you,

but the Browns are trash. She said, I hollered. Oh, she's kidding. She's kidding. She's kidding. Great community work. Okay. I'm about to say.

I mean, kids, the kids, they go hard. They don't, they, they, they have a big. Great community, Burke. I was out in D.C. the other day doing my community service kid like this, but you got drafted to the Browns? I'm like, bro. Dang, I got drafted, bro. Yeah. I said, hey, Joe, I ain't get drafted, you know what I'm saying?

I ain't true. Yeah, man, I'm telling you, these kids go hard. I'm like, I'm so glad, you know what I'm saying? It got me to a team, you know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying? I didn't want to make it, brother. You know? Get me a little bit of them.

Then a little brother asked me how many championships you got? I was like, well, I don't have none in the league. He said, how many you got? He said, I got three. I was like, you're talking about these little league championships? I got like, oh, you go bomb on a little kid, though? After he bombed on me, the little man said, how many championships you got? I said, I don't got no, how many you got?

He said, I got three. I said, you're talking little leagues? Man, I got like 10. Man, listen here, man, Joe, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, one hundred. He's tripping, man, five dollars. He's talking about what up, Debo and Joe? I'm going to be honest. I'll take Debo at quarterback over A-A.

Ron. Oh, see, now, Dee. He can learn to throw before the season start. Man, you tripping, right. He ain't no way. He'll be out there. Tripping, bro. A man from, uh...

Thank you for the vote of confidence. But, uh, you said tripping. Anybody throwing anything on this pot. It'll be neat. No, it's not you. Between you and me is damn show me. Oh, you're tripping. Yo, you want to have a throw off?

A thousand percent. I'll come... Yes. I got it. You know what? When I bring you to the crib, I'm going. going to do you in basketball too.

I'm going to have a three-point contest with you. Whatever you want. And we're going to do it. I ain't got no basketball hoop, though. I ain't got money like that. No, I got, I'm saying, you're going to come. You got a football. You got to bring the football, too, because I can't be going to waste no money.

I got all of us. I got all of the materials we need. Okay. I'm about safe because I ain't got none of that, man. That shit costs too much. I don't need you to bring nothing. I go down to the stillless facilities and see they give me one, though. Oh, though.

They're definitely, I got the, we got some Steelers footballers right here. Coving their life. She's back one more time. $5. She said, Debo, have you received your Browns jersey from our future Hall of Famer yet? Because I haven't.

Well, I haven't. My head covered it. I still, I got you. I've been, you know, moving around. Listen,

he's brown. He goes brown. When you're trying, you're trying to, hey, you see how fast you got that still a jersey. She got the stillers jersey. She got the Steelers jersey like that because the Steelers do it.

The Steelers do it. When you say, ask for something for the browns, they start browning. I sent there two stillers jerseys. So now I got a brown one on the way. I got a brown one. They start browning. Chill out, Deepo.

Let's go and do a new stadium. Let's put turf in. No grass. You know? I'm just saying, Joe. I know my boy, I know. I had some of the idea. We don't get that bag.

Man, Tweesee. We got Tweezy. Five, two, four? Ten dollars. Said, Joe, my man, it's Twan. Hey. Bill Reese from Fort Washington.

Canyons. Congratulations. Congrats on a great success. Crazy to see you where it all started. God bless you and the fam, job. My man, appreciate it. Appreciate it. I appreciate Lil Reese. My good man.

Lil'Ree. Yes, sir, yes, sir. It's Lil Reese. Lil'Ree for watching Cannes. Guys, we are way over. Hey, we want to thank you guys to join us on this episode of Debo and Joe. please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your show. Joe, yo, love you guys.

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