Nightcap - Deebo & Joe react to Steelers hiring Mike McCarthy!? + Seahawks & Patriots advance to SB LX

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to NFL Conference Playoff Championship Round where  Sam Darnold and the Seattle Seahawks defeated Matthew Stafford and the Los Angeles Rams, Drake Maye and the New England Patriots beat Jarrett Stidham and the Denver Broncos to advance to Super Bowl LX. Later, they react to the Pittsburgh Steelers hiring Mike McCarthy as their next head coach Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOE Timeline:00:00 - Intro02:24 - Steelers Hire Mike McCarthy21:20 - Patriots beat Broncos46:50 - Rams beat Seahawks (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Make sure you like and subscribe and download wherever you get your podcast. Joe. What's up, how you're doing today, baby? Man, I'm doing great today, Dibo. Honestly, though, we got snowed in.

That snowstorm happened. It was a little bit less snow than I expected. But that's why I'm in a different spot. I got snowed in at the in-laws crib. So I'm down. Oh, you got snowed in. I'm snowed in right now. Y'all know nothing about how to deal

with snow around that way. man. Listen, bro. I embrace the snow. I had to snow blow my driveway four times, bro. Just to keep up, bro. I think we got about 12 inches, bro. Like, I'd get done.

As soon as I got done, I'll be back out there two hours later. As soon as I got done, it'd be already an inch. Yeah, by the time I pulled it back in. You was doing the good job, man. I went and tried to get the electrical joint. So I was watching my neighbor across the street. Oh, I went and got full. I had full gas.

Four gas. Yeah. Yeah. You have to. Full grass, man. I went to hit my neighbor next door on the left and the right. You know what I'm saying? Good Samaritan, Debo?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I had to do the lady on the right. She's a little older. Her and her husband are a little older. But, you know, I guess that's something that I would want to have done if my mom or dad, if he was still around, was in the same situation. So I went on ahead and did that even though I ain't going to lie.

I'm not too, I'm not too fond of him. But, you know, my neighbor to the left, he's a good dude. He's good people. So you got to go. Yeah, he's good people. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure, for show, for show. Look here, man, everybody take care everybody, you know, do on to others as you would have others do on to you, right? Make it the world just as such a better place, D'Bow.

That's what I live by. No question, man. Look here, brother. The Steelers done hired. Oh! Mike McCarthy. I guess it's the what, fourth coach since 1969. Joe.

Yeah. How do you? They hired them before you could get to do your interview. You didn't even get to do your interview. That's crazy, right? That's wild. That's wild. It's moving.

How you feel about this hired you? I got a lot of different. emotions about it. So let me preface my comments by first saying, I don't think Mike McCarthy's a bad coach. Do you know what I'm saying? But in the particular situation of the Pittsburgh Steelers and what we're looking to do moving forward from Mike Tomlin stepping down and it being a new time, me looking for a new regime, him coming in is just so similar. And he's older. He's 63 years old. I'm thinking that we're trying to get a coach that we're going to have for the next

at least 20 years. When we get him, I'm like, okay, he was with A-Rod back in Green Bay long time ago. A-Rod was four, I'm talking about four MVP A-Rod, not just normal A-Rod, with DeBonte Adams, you know what I'm saying,

with that offense, with he had Jordy Nelson, with nice receivers out there being able to do what he had to do, he still came up with one Super Bowl in Aaron Rogers' heyday when he was the best version of himself. So now I'm like,

not trying to knock If we want to have him come in and do it with a young quarterback and you think he must breed him, what he did with that press guy. His offenses have always been pretty good. So I'm not knocking the coaching situation. But if you're the Steelers and I'm wanting to move forward, I'm wanting to come with a younger guy that's coming to bring a whole different vibe. And I'm, because the fan base, I feel like they were ready.

They were ready for a real turnaround or real move. But this looks real parallel. It doesn't look like a move where it's like a new reset. It looks like kind of just normal. And when this comes, now I can't blame Coach T. I can't blame, I don't know, Omar. It's like, who did these, who did the move? You know what I'm saying?

So that's why I'm looking at it like, Debo, I mean, it looks like the Rooney. He must have, he made this pick. It just looks like status quo. He just seems like he just doesn't want to shake the boat too much. When I think right now was the time, it was time to shake the boat and go get you a young, head coach and then get you an offensive coordinator, you know what I'm saying? Then make some, Rick, some real moves.

I think this was more parallel than what we needed to do. How do you feel, Debo? I'm surprised. Okay. I'm disappointed. Nah. Let me take that.

You know, you take your time, Debo, because I know you got a lot of feelings. Take your time. Yeah, yeah. I'm not. I put this, bro. I don't dislike it, but I also don't like it. So, you know, I guess I am disappointed.

It definitely, I definitely wasn't expecting him to be the next head coach, especially with the last three hirings we done had since, what, 69? Yes. So, like, the only thing I could think is it was the safe play. Like you said, he is a good coach. You know, he's proven, you know, but like, I'm white. Like, I'm with you. I'm like, why safe?

So I go, I go back and I look at it, bro. And when I look at it, you know, since our last was the two hirons that we had, which was Bill Cowher and Mike Tomlin, Mr. Rooney was around, heavily involved, and I believe he had a greater understanding, you know, of, you know, what was needed, you know what I'm saying? I'm talking about, you know, Mr. Rooney, Dan, you know, former ambassador.

And he had a greater understanding, I believe, of what was needed, because I believe he learned everything that he needed under his dad, the chief. You know what I'm saying? And he soaked that up. And right now, we don't have anyone there that was really greatly involved in those last two hirings. And you add that with the fact that they were definitely caught off guard by Coach T.

Coach T stepping down. And you know, you heard him himself. He was, you know, looking to run it back maybe next year and then through the process. So I think, you know, a little panic set in and they ended up going on with the safe choice. And I think that's part of the reason why we held on to Mike for so long is because it was the safe choice. You know, we know we're going to be in contention for at least, you know, a winning record and a playoff berth. But that's not the standard of the Pittsburgh stillies, bro. And I feel like that's what it has become right now.

And we're so afraid, dude, of that rebuilt word that we're doing anything in our power so that we don't have to look. looked like that or look like we're doing that. Now, again, if you go back to when Cowher was hired and you look, we did a rebuild, but they didn't call it a rebuild. So from 98 to 2000, we had consecutive losing seasons. 97 was the last season we had that was a winning season until 2001. Okay. And between that, those season, it was an internal rebuild by Bill.

And Mr. Rooney saw that. And in 2000, when everybody was calling for Mr. Rooney to get rid of Bill, he said no. because he saw the vision. And in 2001, they ended up going 13 and 3. Okay. And that process from 97, where they had a winning record, until their next winning record in 2000, the starting offense only had three players that was on that roster from 97 to 2001 when they had their next one. And then the defense only had two players.

So that was an internal rebuild, but they didn't say it out loud as a rebuild. Okay. And that's what he did. That's what Coach Tomlin, I mean, sorry, that's what Coach Coward did in those years between that 98 to 2000 time frame. Okay. Now, in that same process, they changed coaches. You look at 1995, Dick LeBowell was the D.C. in 95.

in 96. Then he went to Cincinnati, and he was a head coach. Okay, then in 2004, Coach of the Bow ended up leaving Cincinnati or got fired, whatever it was, and Bill ended up bringing him back as D.C. in 2004, now in that same process of changing those players, it was coaches in and out too.

And Bill was getting coaches that he felt were going to be better for the team. He was getting players that he thought was going to be better for the team. and get an internal rebuild. Now, 2004, we went 15 and 1, and then won the Super Bowl the next year. 2007 came. They hired coach. They hired Mike. Okay.

And he won in 2008, won a championship, and then went again in 2010. Okay. Now, like, that was a rebuild, bro. And I would have liked, I'm like you. I would have liked to see someone younger that came. came up. You know what I'm saying? Maybe, you know, this is a situation where I'm, I'm just trying to like be positive about like maybe he's coming in as a, you know, four or five year guy. Maybe he's hiring a great staff. Maybe the OC or DC is going to be one of those people that could eventually

step in, you know, hoping that everything goes well. Um, with him, I think, I'm a lot. I think, being, you know, with him being the coach. I can see what you're saying. Go ahead. Because I can see what you're saying about him being like a middle, a middleman. Like the coach T. firing kind of shocked him. You know what I'm saying? It was just a little too quick.

Yeah, like stop. Wasn't ready. Just like a little gap in between person where he can come, be the head coach. And then also while he's here, bring in a great staff. Like being able to get the offense right, being able to get a great defensive coordinator. But in long terms, hopefully like, the offensive coordinator that we picked, that's nice, is going to be able to come and get him out of there.

You know what I'm saying? Because I just don't see him as the long-term fix. Oh, I don't. Do you think that this hiring had something to do with possibly them wanting to try and make sure or have a more likelihood of Aaron coming back? Would you want him back? Would you want him to stay? Would you want him to not come back?

How would you feel about that? I wouldn't want the, I wouldn't want the stiller to have to depend on, I love Aaron Rogers, a great player, but I'm not thinking that McCarthy and A-Rod, it's not 2010. It's not 2012. It's not 10 years ago. If this was 10 years ago, I'd be all in for it. You know what I'm saying?

A-Rod is just not the same as he was. And McCarthy, if we wanted to bring him in, I hope it's just not for A-Rod. I hope it's a way bigger picture of bringing an offense, defense, and just the whole way that he's built. You know what I'm saying? If it's just for A-Rod, that's going to be a one-year thing. and I'm hoping that they didn't get the head coach depending on a one year, 42-year-old quarterback,

that they did things back in the day and were able to get one Super Bowl when he was A-Rod, when he was that man. He was the best player in the NFL. You know what I'm saying? So I would hope that they didn't make that pool just for A-Rod, but I don't want to disrespect Mike McCarthy because he is a good coach,

a great mind. He's one Super Bowl, his teams don't lose when he was with Dallas. That looked nice, but they still weren't they still didn't get over the hump. If they did all of that that he did with Pittsburgh, we would still be looking at him like Mike Tomlin like, oh, you made it all the way there. That's not good enough.

We didn't win a ship. You know what I'm saying? So I'm just not seeing that with why they were bringing Mike McCarthy to Pittsburgh after Mike Tomlin just left. I ain't going to lie to you, bro. I don't, like I said, I like Aaron. I think Aaron's a good quarterback. I've credited him with us having the season that we had without him.

We wouldn't have it. But I just don't want him back. I don't want him back because we need to be able to move on. And it really depends on what Will Howard can do if he can actually do it. You know, unless it's a reason we haven't seen him that we don't know about because maybe he can't do it or like, and if that's the case, why is he still there? I don't, I don't know. But unless we get to the point.

to where we can actually get a franchise quarterback dude. We're going to be in the same position picking middle of the pack, especially if we bring Aaron back because he has the capabilities to be able to keep us in contention when maybe without, when definitely without him, we wouldn't be. You know what I'm saying? And if the fact was like we wanted an offensive-minded coach because McCarthy is that dude, why didn't we just wait?

Shula is sitting there right now. Yes, yes. He would have been done today. He is young. We would have had what we wanted the future and we could have built or he could have built what he wanted and got what he needed. But we are so afraid of that rebuilt word that we made a snap decision out of fear, bro.

That's what I believe, bro. Yeah. I think when you say out of fear too, what people are realizing when Mr. Rooney said, he was surprised by Coach Tomlin stepping off. He wasn't ready to be looking to hire another coach. So the status quo of everybody saying, like, oh, no, we need to move on for Coach T, Rooney wasn't there yet. He wasn't trying to move on with Coach C.

He was still chilling. He wasn't too mad at the way things were going. Like, all right, we're going to be able to figure it out. But, like, I'm loving the ship. I like to where our coach is. When you get surprised and now you're ready to go hire something young, new, different, ah, Mike McCarthy looks like Coach's, T, okay, just comfortable.

You know what I'm saying? Like, he didn't fire Coach Tomlin and then go higher Mike McCarthy. Coach T stepped off on him. So he's like, oh, man, like, I wasn't ready for this. And then it's just like a comfortable pick instead of being like, no, no, in my opinion, it's ready.

Distillers, fans, I know for base or whatever, everybody I'm seeing was ready to go get somebody young, ready to like a new head coach. Yeah, I see the chat. They're saying they're the same person and all that, just different. I really understand what y'all saying. I understand your memes, all that stuff.

But yeah, okay. Let's just say Tomlin and McCarthy are the same guys. Okay, on paper, when you look at it, it's the same guys. The big difference is Mike Tomlin never had a losing season and all the other stuff. McCarthy has what? He's been the head coach of what, Green Bay and Dallas, right? Yep. Those are two franchises that already had their quarterbacks there, bro.

Oh, yeah. Aaron was there 2005 to 21, 22 with, hell, with Mike. He had been from 2007 until, what, 18, 19, whatever it was. Now you go to Dallas. He got, he got Dak over there. Dack was already back. You know what I'm saying? And so, like, he has to build.

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And he had the opportunity to try and rebuild that and get it up and he didn't. And with McCarthy he hasn't had to rebuild from scratch. So he's at he's like

He's like, right. So and you know, yes, he's older. You know, he hasn't had the opportunity to do it, but can he do it? He's older. And like, I understand that, but can he still

relate to the players. If he can still relate to the players and do everything as necessary to understand and read it and gain the respect of the players and build a staff that is conducive to getting done that we need done, then that's great, man, hiring people that's going to teach and lead and guide and make sure they're doing what they need to do. That's, you know, that's not an issue. Nobody said Andy Reid was too old. Nobody said Bill Belichick was too So I'm here to say like, hey, I understand. I feel the same way. But let's get a man a chance.

For sure. Let's get a man a chance. I'm not saying he's too old either. 63 is no. John Harbaugh is 63 years old. They're the same age. So it's not like, not like that's like crazy. But I'm just saying if you want to have a coach,

I'm just thinking with younger energy period and a 20-year stint. I'm not thinking he's going to be coached until he's 83. You know what I'm saying? Like that might be a stretch. Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't know. I mean, we'll, we definitely go see. We're going to see. To say, I'm surprised.

I am definitely surprised. I'm hoping it works out. I'm hoping this, you know, thing where it's a short term, you know, it's a step in, you know, it's a, it's a filler, you know, for who may hopefully be the next, you know, coming. But, you know, if he's great, all this stuff goes out the window. For sure. I'm praying for the best, but if you asked me whether I surprised, yes. Yeah. I was, I was definitely, definitely a little, a lot surprised.

Yeah, yeah, I ain't a lot. I'm looking forward to, you know, actually meeting them and seeing chopping it up and going from there. But, like I said, I'm not, I don't dislike it. I don't, I don't like it. I'm just surprised. It's a, you know, it's a safe. It's a safe pick. you got somebody that's there, you know, that's what it seems like to me right now.

Basically, we exchanging one for the other. We just got to see what he can do as far as building because he's never had an opportunity to actually build. He came in with, you know, ready-made positional franchise quarterbacks. And right now, we're going to see if he can get that done. Yep. But we got to give me some support. And I'm here hoping for the best, wishing for the way. That's our guy now, right?

That's our guy. That's our guy. That's our guy. That's right. Hey, listen. I'm a stick with him. That's our guy. We tell.

We're going to see. We got to roll with it until it don't roll. And hopefully we're able as an organization to see that it either is rolling or isn't rolling and make the appropriate steps necessary when it's necessary. winners necessary. Yes. Let's get on over here. Let's get over to these good football

playoff games that we had. Let's get to these good football games that we had, man. The good one, man. The Patriots, baby, and the Bronco. 10-7, that's a fight, baby. That's a fight.

It went. They talk about, man, listen, man, they don't even know what a good game is. They're boring game. No. Man, man, it got. I'm going to tell you that.

That game at the end of, that was wet, that weather, got terrible. You, like, and you know when you say it doesn't look as bad from the, it doesn't, it doesn't look bad. That game could have been in Foxborough, baby, if they had beat, uh, the Raiders at the beginning of year.

That would have been a horrible game right there. I can't believe that. That's a deep. Hey, I love that game as a DB. As a DB, that's the easiest game to play in. Just keep your feet. You need to wear seven stud cleats. Yeah, seven studs.

You got to stack them. Them dudes got to stack them with the studs. Like them dudes, they always trying to wear them cool little cleats. And they was looking at me, OG, you still wearing them seven studs? Yes, I'm not going to fall. It's that time of the year. What are you talking about, son?

Stud only, only seven studs. That's probably why they were slipping out there. Exactly. They had on them cool cleats with no seven studs. I was like, no. Everybody got to put on studs. Man, look here, man, I'm going to give y'all how this game went. We're going to get y'all how this game went, man.

Denver start off with the rock. The past defense. come out there hot, hot. First down, they stopped Harvey for one. Second down, he didn't get Nathan. Third down, they ran up on that man and almost sacked fumble. Almost strip sacked from him. Almost sacked fumbling.

If he had just held on to it for a little longer, he was doing a little bit too much. He was a stettom. He was doing a little bit too much. Throwed him. Throw the ball away. Throw the ball away, son. And then they punt the rock over. And, bro, this damn punter over there.

He's nasty. He's throwing with his leg. Boy, throwing with his leg. Yes. He's going, he pinned us. The eight y'all line. Us. Oh.

So you're going to go ahead. Okay. Us at the eight. I thought they were going to win. I thought they were going to win. Soon they get the winner. Hey, first down, we get five with Stevenson. Okay.

Second down, we. he picked up one moat, okay? Fourth down, May is almost picked this. But Diggs played some good defense. He was able to knock the ball out of his hand. A good, good, good play by Diggs. We punt the ball.

We, we put the ball. And my guy, schooler, do what he do. He did it all game. Blow. That was a one-yard law. That was a one-yard law. Okay. The enemy get the ball.

Denver, that's my enemy now. Let me stop playing with you. Diverr get the ball, first down. Oh, dude, he scrambled up out of a sack, make a good pass. I think it was the Harvey, but it was incomplete. It didn't matter if he did catch it. I think it was an illegal touch. The legal touch.

He went out of bounds. Yeah, yeah. Second down, dude, dropped the screen. I think he could have scored on that one, though. Mm-hmm. He threw a bad hat. Yeah, they end up getting. the third and 10.

Boy. And he hits Mims. Whoa. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's the time. Stittam at the beginning of that game, that's versus Gonzalez.

It looked like a little miscommunication. What happened, Joe? He was chilling. It looked like a cover four. He was going to have a safety, but the safety was looking to steal something from the other side. And I'm like, it just looked like him.

Because Gonzalez, he's not chilling like that for no reason. I think he's expecting somebody to have his top. So he went up there and he got beat. That you can't have that. 52 yards, brother. Mm-hmm. First down, was it first and gold at the 7? They try a little trickery with, what was it, Brian?

He should have got dropped for a loss, but he ended up scrambling for a hot yard, second down. What happened there, Joe? What's going on? That's the same thing. This miscommunication, we having bad eyes. We got to know who has who. I'm thinking that the corner might have the flat and the safety might have the top, but then you got to play high to low.

It was just definitely bad eyes because once he started running, they were late to get to wherever they needed to be. So I don't know who had who right there, but it was a miscommunication. Yeah, six-yard touchdown to Stutton. Sutton, sorry, Sutton. 7-0. Pats get the ball back. First down, May goes to digs for a hot little six.

I think second down, Stevenson picked up three. That third and one, Stevenson goes, picks up the other one. It's first down. I think they, they went first down a now to, what was 13 doing, bro? He ain't block a soul. They're talking about dude, man. Like, dude, 13 didn't block a guy. He didn't even touch that man.

He dropped him for a two-yard loss. I think it was second down. They went up there to booty. And Sir Tan, dude, he could, if he had, he could have had that. Nice try, wrong guy. Mm-hmm. Yeah. He was all over that.

Third and 12. I think it was, what was it? That bullshit cut block almost got a maze back blew out. Bro, the line, that's what I'm, the tackle. The Cooper is looking weak, just trying to die from my man's legs. That's lazy. That's lazy blocking. That's lazy work.

That's lazy blocking, bro. Mm-hmm. Like, Diggs gets to the hot load three. They can't get nowhere. They end up punting the ball. Denver gets the rock back. I think first down, Harvey shook. Like, he just shook, oh, boy, in the backfield.

That should have been a drop for a loss. He gets nine on there. Second down, he passed it to Brian. He picked up the little two for the first down. They ended up getting to second. And Harvey, he picked up the, what, the two. I said the two for the first down, right? Yeah.

Yeah. So the pads then They're able to hold them to I think it was like one yard on the first down And then Was it The second The second down is when a dude dropped it

Sutton dropped that one Yes Right okay Third down nothing They end up putting it right back over to them Pats get the rock First down Henderson Four yards

Second down May gets sack. Like, yes. Right. That was a smart. That was a great play by the D-N. I know,

but that was a smart decision because I saw him thinking about trying to throw that thing and compounding, you know, the issue instead of just taking the sack. You know? Third down,

didn't matter. They ended up punting the rock over. Denver get the rock back. first down, what was it, McLaughlin, he ran for high three, and then Stedham, he hits Ingram for seven in the first down, short pass to McLaughlin for two, McLaughlin for two, second down, I think it was a five-yard pass to a sudden. They get to third and three. He had a nice little pass right there. Like, he was feeling this stuff. He was feeling itself.

That's where the coach started. But this one I'm trying to tell you, too, you got to, did the coach watch those? weather report. You know what I'm saying? Did the coach watch the weatherport? He started feeling too confidence that him was driving it, making some good passes, started getting a little cocky, started getting a little confidence. That's what I'm looking at it like, Debo, in my eyes. Yeah. They hand the ball to Harvey on the next play. He went for nine. I think the fullback picked up three on the next one for the first down. Then it was Harvey again for three, second down. They hit them all angles. He goes and scrambles up out of that thing. I don't know.

know how he scrambled it up out of there. He got like a hot, and I think it was a two yards, something like that. Third down, though, they start blitzing that boy. He scrambles, he gets five. And this right here, this fourth and one, I'm like kick it. You already up seven. Go up ten. Go up ten.

Make it a two-possession game. Right here. Instantly, it's two scores. And then when I'm saying, it's early in the game. The weather report, you've got enough. No, points are at a maximum. You have a backup quarterback. I know you think he's willing and dealing, but you got down here.

Get you some points and then let's see what's going to happen. Your defense is balling. Then maybe you try to get 13, you know, but make it to possession. That's what I was looking at. Like, oh, oh, he's going gusto. I know what you're thinking with momentum, but you're bugging. Mm-hmm. Bugging.

Incomplete. Turnover on downs. Boom, great defense, too. They was waiting on your little scramble play. Do go ahead, first down, May get sacked again. They get to third and long, and May, May hits Highlands for Twanky. Great ball, dagger, right on time. Great ball, but he babbled that thing.

He babbled it. He babbled that thing. And then got up with the, I'm like, no, man, I just go ahead and walk away from that. Just going to ahead and walk away from that. They get to a third in manageable. and made is sacked again. They got to punt the rock. Yep.

They get a rock back over to Denver. First down, give it to the boy Harvey. Mm-hmm. He goes for five. Again, right now. I believe it was incomplete. Mm-hmm. You know, your boy, your boy not looking as comfortable in that pocket anymore.

They blitzing me. He started glitching a little bit. He started glitching. Third down, I think he hit Mims for five in the first, you know. Yeah, okay. Though I thought he was going to panty. panic in that pocket. He kind of looked like he ain't know.

He was like, all right, I could get it off. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He stopped right around this. Go ahead. I said, right around this drive right here is where he looks so comfortable, then they didn't convert the fourth. And then now he starts looking in the pocket, glitching, backing up a little bit too much.

I'm like, yo, slow, wow, whoa, oh, like, don't mess it up. Don't turn over the ball. Your defense is playing too well. Like, that was like, stem you, your hoop is what he does. Come on. Third down. He could have either just tossed that thing into the ground. If he felt like he couldn't toss it, take the sack.

Just take it. Just take it. Instead, he throws the rock backwards. They recovered the thing at the what, 10, 12, something like that? Man, I think it was the 12-yard line. Pass get the ball. First play, they do a little look like it's going to be a run, hit the backside, the booty for six.

Second down, they said we got the numbers. Let's run it. May gone and took that thing up the middle. Tug. It's tied up. After all y'all did, how y'all had them down. It is tied up now. You could have been 10-7 right now.

Still up. Yo, May you need to learn how to fall, too, man. He'd go kill itself out there. Yeah, man, he is. He doesn't have the best slide at all. No question. Denver get back out there. First down, he is almost sacked, fumbled again.

That's what he's now. Stidim is starting to look, stidomy. He's starting to look skittish. Nervis. Nervis. Second down, though. He went on ahead, picked it up. He got Harvey for the 10 in the first.

He made more for that on his own, though. I think the first down was incomplete because, hey, the blitz, dude. The blitz was coming. He started rushing his timing. He throwing that thing in front, behind. Uh-huh. And then he got more big. It's sacked on the second down.

The guard just got beat like a... Beat to sleep. But that's an all-pro. He got... He got... Get up with the Euro step. Third. It's what, third in 18, 20.

They pick up a hot... You know, they do a dump, pick up a hot, whatever. They punt the rock back over. Patriots get the ball. All right. This is where it starts to get a little crazy, too, before halftime.

Denver is able to hold them to a three-in-out because it'll drop by Henry on second down. They got a... to punt the rock back over. That dropped by Hunter Henry. That was the one. Yeah, that was the one that made it to where they forced a three and out. He dropped that rock.

Mm-hmm. They punt it back over to Denver. Mm-hmm. First down, Harvey breaks the toggle. He gets like, what, 11 right there? Out of the backfield. They end up getting to a second to 10. I think Sutton got six.

And then third down, your boy is sad. Right. He's sacked. So then we get this 54 yarder. You attempt a 54 yarder. And you miss. And you miss.

And you miss. Patriot ball. Badger's ball, dude. They get to a third and 15. Yes. It would pick up 16 yards, bro. To the slide into the time out. To the slide into the time out.

And go for a 63. yarder. Not even a shot. Not a shot. What is it? A snowball's chance in hell. Snowballs chance in hell. They miss.

Brother. In Gold's head, they start the third. And you know what they did if they started the third, bro. They went 16 plays. Mm-hmm. 64 yards, almost 10 minutes. Mm-hmm. And kick a 23-yard field goal, bro.

Stevens. Stevenson would pick up what? 12, I think May scrambled for almost 30. That drive was... Bro, Henry picked up nine on the third down that gave him the fourth and one. At the eight, they picked up the first then. That whole drive depot was basically the game.

They went for 930 on them, 9 minutes, 30 seconds. Like you said, scored the points. And as soon as that happened, we... Be all right, one would listen about the weather. But that's when it started looking crazy out there when nobody can complete anything. If it went for the third down sack on May, boo, they might have scored a tutty.

They forced them to a field goal. They make the field goal. It's 10 to 7. Would have been 10-10. Yep. Denver get out there and the Pat say, a-a, get a body, three and out. Three and out.

Three and out. Three and out. Three-in-out. Pass get back out there. Second to 10. What may do? He's a He's a second for 13

Take off for 13 He need to learn how to slide, bro Yeah He's going to kill himself He's going to kill himself Like second and six They do the trickery And Hollins

He gon's head get 31 That was the smoothest Flea flicker I've ever seen In the snow They just boop Boop, boom slow Super slow But it worked perfectly

Yes They end up getting to the fourth down. They're at like, what does the 20? They go for a 46-yard field goal? Yes, brother. Brough. Mess.

Yes. But it's still 7 to 10. And on top of that, what was it? About 6-7 plays. Yeah. They get the ball back with 11 seconds left in the third quarter. Yes. Like New England had the ball for 13 minutes, over 13 minutes,

bro of 15 in the third quarter yeah that's wow that is wow that's ball control man that's what you got to do when you need to start closing out games then we get out there and he hey he ain't in his bag no more he ain't smiling laughing no more man they force another three and now because what that what that boy doing that third down db u he be you i need all that all that Jones on it because the not the weather that's when the comes to being a DB, I love playing in the snow like that. Because long as you keep your feet, it's hard to catch that ball. So as soon as it hits them, all I got to make sure I'm breaking your arms,

I'm smacking as hard as I can because it's already hard to do it. You got to get, you got to do is make sure you don't catch it. You know what I'm saying? It's hard to catch the ball out of this. I'm just trying to smack your arms anything because the weather is in my favor. Oh, no question then. It is all the way in your favorite end. Pass get the ball back.

first down, Stevenson get about 11. They end up getting to a, what's it, third and four? And May is sacked again. I ain't tripping. They ain't tripping because the defenses, they're going back and forth. They punt the rock back over, okay? They give it to Denver. I think Denver might have picked up like one first down through the process.

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Apple Podcast or whatever you get your... Like, it got to get a handle. Now, the first down, they get the ball and the running back slips. Slips. May. Sees it in his head and makes the decision, I'm not about to try and run this. Because what did he do the last time? He tried to make up for the playing and run it.

He fumbled. Somebody punched it out. So he just went down. He said, nope. Let me go down here. Nope. I'm not going to compound this thing and make it worse. They end up going.

And May is understanding. My running back came in to get his footing to get the ball. What I'm not. He's understanding. Turn it over. We just don't need to make sure. we just take all this clock out. My defense.

They damn near started taking the knee, Debo, like, for the plays. I felt like that's what they were about to start doing. I felt like they were going to just take a knee, let the clock run down, you know what I'm saying, three knees, and then punt. Like, because he scrambled on the third down, he scrambled to the sideline and threw the joint out of bounds. Like, if nobody, if he's not open, throw it out of bounds. So I'm like this.

Oh, they're basically taking the ball in jeopardy. Do not put the ball in jeopardy. Make sure stid him, he's getting, he's getting real glitchy back there. And the weather is looking. terrible, we're up. Everybody's missing field goals. Make them have to drive down. There's no way.

And I was looking at it too like this. Oh, my goodness. They're playing keep away. They're not even keep away. Just drain the flop. I'm going to give it to you. Like, you're not going to be able to score on us. Yeah, they end up forcing them three and out.

They punt the ball. I don't even know if that was a shanker, just a terrible kick. It was just a terrible kick. To the 33 y'all line. I don't know. I'm looking, how far did it go? I don't know, dude. But the defense stands up.

The defense stands up. They only let them boys get, what, five yards and three plays after it was all sitting down with the losses and the games. Yeah. And they go go ahead and try for a 45-yard field goal.

You should have kicked the short one when you was up there. And now you want to kick a 45-yard in the blizzard. It gets your shit blocked. it goes off. They done missed it, bro. Do you see Buddy blocked it?

Buddy got a hand on that. Yes. He tipped that thing. He got a hand on that. That's just what they get. Now, take the points while they're there. Pass get the ride back, dude. And this is what I was talking about.

That's the drive. They forced a three and out on that one, though. Brother, it's not even a force enough of a three and out, Debo. They weren't trying. They were literally just made. making sure they weren't going on. Let me give him some credit. Man, no, no, no, no.

Stevenson lost, got two, then he scrambled to the side through it. No, I'm like this, no. Y'all are just, I don't, y'all ain't tricking me. But three it out. You got the ball back, brother. Second down. Your boy went to the well one too many times, and he said you're not going to get me again.

No. No, no, no, no. It's too high to low, great play by Gonzalez, just making sure. Made up. looking at the quarterback the whole time and Stidham throws a lollipop straight up in the air receiver. You got to know this too. You look the whole time. Look the whole time because it's snowing. The quarterback's not going to be able to throw a 40-yard dot on the outside. You know what I'm

saying? It's going to be a jump ball. So you got to look earlier. But Gonzalez's great job, staying on top, making a play, ending the game. No question. Well, May ended the thing with the scramble. How do you, you let May I'll run you on the corner? that's the defensive end. He's not outrunning me, but he definitely got missing on Buddy. He had a buddy could have tried to get to the angle and may hit the, hit hit the gas on him. Dude. That's what you got to do.

No question. You got to, bro. You got to. Game over 10 to 7 because you wanted to pass up some easy points, bro. That makes no sense. No sense. I mean, you're. Patriots had 206 total yards of offense.

The Broncos had 181 total yards offense. It was the beginning. Like you said, first half, when you have those weather conditions, you felt so good, drove it down, big play, scored the touchdown, and you thought you were about to go up 14-0. No, just two possessions. Like, every possession in each of these playoff games means so much. And you're a smart coach. I know you went in a thing and studied the weather report.

It was bright outside at the beginning. it's going to get ugly. Let's get any points on the board that we can. Three, you know what I'm saying? Anything's going to be hard to come by. So this is a great defense that we're playing against. Luckily, like he thought he was going to, Stim's going to play like that the whole game. He could have started terrible, then did a little bit good,

but you got the good early and got comfortable and thought you going to do good the whole game. No, Fulio, every time we get in the position to get any type of points with Stim, let's do it. You know what I'm saying? Like, we'll take the three. You know what I'm saying? We're playing against the Patriots. We're here. Defense is bawling three.

Three is good. Three is seven. You know what I'm saying? We don't need to leave them with zero. We never need to leave with zero. It's the playoffs, man. It's a total elimination. Like, you're fighting to go to the Super Bowl, buddy,

and you up here doing that? Mm-hmm. And you up seven? Leaving point, what? I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that either. I'm not doing that either. Drake May ain't even have 100 yards passing, did he?

No, man, Drake May. Listen, that boy, that man, 80-something-d-d-d-old. And he had one in the 31-yard bomb. Kilt them scrambling and running. Like, come on, man. And the mistakes, bro. The mistakes over there by the QB that he was, oh, yeah, we're, we're, they got two weeks

off. No, no, y'all got all the time on now. All got bloodshed. That's, but, but that comes from not having that playing time, not having that time during the season. Mason in there in his head. And he's like, ooh, I remember I did that. Nope.

I can't do that. I got to take this. Oh, yeah. I can't compound this. Mm-hmm. I remember that time I tried to strambling there and they punched it out. Nah. Right.

That one. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And they punched that thing out. He was like, no, we're not going to do that again. Let me drop down right here. I'm going to get down a little bit earlier. Mm-hmm.

You know what I'm saying? Not worth it. You keep it points off the board when you don't turn over the rock. Like, that's the biggest part. When you have such a good team, your defense is not allowing. And if they do, make it on them. Make it on them. Make them make sense.

Make them drive it on our defense. Don't just give them layups. They scored that page. They laid it up. They had the ball on the 12th. That's a layup. You know the start. The touchdown they did score.

They hit a 50 yard on you. They know, make them working down the field. They ain't going to be working down the field. They ain't a better to do that. And then, hell, the quarterback that you were so highly on, he went on head and tossed that thing over to him. But the biggest thing to me was Sean Payton not kicking that. field go right there on that fourth dime.

Yep. Like, how do you, I do it, that's crazy. I don't even understand that one right there. I don't, I don't, if you make it, yeah, this ain't even talked about, but you didn't. Damn, it was a fifth, you know? Yep.

And Joe, we go going on over here, because we ain't got that much time. We go going on over here to Seattle. Yes. Seattle and the ring. Oh, yep. And I, but 31 to 27. What?

Did I tell you out of the Rams defense? What did I tell you? What did I tell you about their DBs? Answer me when I'm talking to you. You told me, let me tell you, let me tell you, you told me that the defense was going to be trash. Hey, do you know what I told you? How much did Pooka go for?

How much did Pooka go for? Under 91. But who did you have winning? Huh? Who did you have winning? How much you had Puga? If it's a hundred. I was wrong.

I was wrong, but I was right. The big thing I was right about, who cares about the individual performance is that don't get you to double you. Because I'm talking about prize. Joe. I'm trying to talk about people getting people paid. Joe. Yeah. Joe.

Joe. Yes. I'm talking about winning, Joe. You're right. You're right. You're right. I was wrong. I was wrong.

I thought the Rams are going to soon. But you know, you know who proved me. I'd rather have zero tackles. Do you know who proved me wrong? Zero everything. Do you know who proved me wrong? The person who proved me wrong, Sam damn Darnel.

Mm-hmm. Oh my goodness. That man. That man, look, and I'm telling you, my man, don't play. Matthew Stafford was out there bawling two. He was hooping. But Matt, I mean, but Sam Darno, what in that? He was looking, he looked so good.

I'm going to give him all of my credit. I'm going to give him all of my respect. You have to. What are you talking about? There's nothing that you could do with, what was it, 25? I wasn't expecting it. I wasn't expecting it. 25 of 36, 346 yards.

340. 3rd? Oh my goodness. You know what that's so crazy is that Sam, sorry, Sam Darnold, yes, I was correct. Sam Darnel and your boy Stafford over there. got close to the same passion rating,

but we're kind of used to that from him. I'm not blaming this. Matthew Stafford. We knew that's what he needed to do, but that wasn't going to win him if they couldn't stop Sam Darnel. No, no, no, no, no, no. I told you the defense wasn't like that, Joe.

No, no, no. I get tired of you disrespecting me. Nope, no, no, no. I've got to let you get, this one over. It was what I told you to. The Rams, special team. Lay the end. Man, I don't hear nothing about that fump,

I don't want to hear nothing about that muffed. They knew he was going to do it. He muffed it one time before that. He tried to do it twice. I'm like, oh, my goodness. It should have get him out of the game the first time he muffled. That, that, and then you know who else? Seahawks, my man, the rookie, his name,

is number three, and how did he pronounce his last name? I don't know, so I ain't go try to. He looks like, he looked like, what's my name? He looked like Derwin James. He looks just like Derwin James. He was strapped. He strapped Pooka on the play. He strapped the running back on the play.

He took over a series. Like, he, that young man, bawling. So, Sam Donald, hooped, J.S.N. Whoop. Walker the 3rd. Oh, my goodness. Since Charbonnet's out, now he won't get all the carries. I think that might even be better. Two-headed monster is nice.

But you got Walker toting the Joan like this. I got the Seahawks winning a source. Super Bowl for show. After this weekend. Oh, now you want to come. Now you want to come. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, because you weed with the Patriots.

So you're not going to go with your Patriots for the Super Bowl? You're talking about. You were saying with the Patriots. Oh, I was bull. I was bullfragger rocking on that. It ain't a weed. So Patriots versus the Seahawks in the championship. You're going to Seattle.

We're talking about these games right here, not the Super Bowl. What are you going with this? Okay, so for the Super Bowl, I'm going Seattle. I ain't going to lie to you. You know, I'm still, I'm still probably go go Patriots, but I got to look at what I'm looking at as far as O&D special teams. What scares me is the offense ain't really doing much over here right now. And the special teams, they lie with a shank something on them.

So, like I said, who? Who? Who's special teams liable to shank something? New England? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Seahawks, Special Team. I'm going to have to look at this, man. Rashid probably going to run back a punt or a kickoff.

Seahawk Special Teams is not to be messed with. Dude. Yeah, like I said, man. But, hey, what I ain't worried about is him running it back. You forgot Schuller over there, right? Shoehler over there? Yep. You forgot he over there, right?

Man, I'm going Seattle. I understand what you're saying. Only thing I'm worried about is them not kicking it far enough. That's what I'm worried about. I ain't worried about them taking it back. I'm worried about the field position battle that's going to come. Okay. Now, you had that on top of your boy over there on that 4 from 4 going for it instead of kicking that field goal.

That could have been 30 to 31. Now, you look at the end of the game. Nope. See, yeah, I'm going. If you had saved just one time out over there. The timeout. You got a 20 and the 23. They got them to, what was it, the 49 right there, but he got tackle and bounds.

They just had one time out. That could have a field goal game winner. But anyway, the time out. I told you what was going to happen. The time out. The time out was going to happen. And the DBs was down bad. Man, so were the Rams D.Bs.

I knew that was going to happen. And the Seahawks D. And the Seahawks D's too. Spoon. I mean, they was getting. but to act like Pooka didn't have one third. Hey, listen. Pooka.

Act like Devante didn't have 80-some with a tutty. Listen, bro. Yeah. Pooka. Yes. Pooka. Yes. Didn't do enough to win the game.

It's a team game. If Buddy wouldn't have fumbled them two jumps. And then I'm not a team game, but you're not mad at him going for. But you hollering on buddy. If buddy did this, if buddy did that. It's a team game. They won it. They won.

They still gave up 27 points. 30 balls. Man. Shout out Seattle. I'm not going to disrespect. No disrespect. That was a good game. That was a good game.

Them boys was balling. Yeah. Shout out. Sam Darnal. He, yeah. Shout out. Shout out. Sam Darnel.

Shout out Mike Vable. Coach of the year. Easily. Shout out. Damn. What's my man. That man went from that. Was it?

Four and 13. team to stop playing, bro. He in the Super Bowl. Went from not even having a chance. Eben Yuri. Stop playing. Even Yuri. That's his name.

One year. Eben Yuri from Seattle. Young, Derwin James, rookie. Baller. Baller. Look here, man. We got some super chats.

We got, man. I guess we got a leftover super chat. From American size. American Assassin Zero I guess he was the first one Not 007 But he was

Double O seven Donated $10 Said for the love of God Please, Debo Me and my wife Both are begging for you To be the head That's over with the head coach

That's over with That's all good Yeah Yeah Yeah We say give Debo the bag Debo, that's what I'm telling you. Everything still is.

Get Debo the bag. He going They should have gave me the bag, Joe. They should have gave you the bag. They should have gave me the bag. Look, we got time now, because we know McCarthy, man, he's going to be there too long. So we got, but you got time to prep.

You got time to prep for your time. I might have to go and see if I could offer my services or something, man. You know, I believe. Maybe, you know, maybe. you know, maybe he might maybe he might be willing, you know, to see what I can

what I can offer the team. And I might, you know, I'll throw you in there and give you a couple, you know. Yeah. Give you a shout out, make sure you get an opportunity. But I'm going to let y'all know, y'all want us in there. This is what's going to happen now.

Y'all want us in there. We ain't going to be able to do the show. No, no. It's going to be kind of a conflict of interest. And then we're going to be on here, not being able to get an inside scoop. And then we're going to have too much inside school. We're going to be the scoop. Hey, we're going to be the scoop.

That might be a conflict. That might be a serious conflict right there now. Yep, yep, yep, yep. So we're going to do it until we get this. We're going to do it until we get the job, though. We're going to do it. We're going to do it until we get a job. We're going to do it until we get a job.

Look here, but Mike and Mike, dash 100 donated $5. Said, what up, Debo and Joe? He said, pairing Mike McCarthy with Aaron Rogers is a great move if it was 15 years ago. I took the word right out of my mouth, brother. I mean, that would be definitely a great move if it was 15 years ago. Yep, because, you know. Yep. Yeah, I definitely.

I'm with you. Well, he's talking well, yeah, when they was the league MVP. Yeah. I mean, hopefully he can, I mean, hopefully he knows what he, you know, I mean, he knows what he's getting into, what he got to do, the build, I don't know, man. You don't even believe. I'm hoping, bro. I'm hoping for the best, bro.

Over there, you don't even, dang, Debo, I could see, that's what, knowing you now, I know what you believe in something and I know you don't. I'm, I'm, bro, I'm just, I like, I like being proven wrong sometimes, especially when the situation is like this. I really do. I would, I would love to be proven wrong on this. It's going to be the time that you do like the, you just give me, you just say something crazy because you know that they're listening and you hope that they just do the opposite

and it works out. I don't know if that's how this works. Yeah, man. Good luck, McCarthy, for sure. Right. I'm, I'm going to check it. out, bro. I'm going to check it out, though. I mean, I don't know. We might be, I don't know. Anyway, man, we got Rick underscore from New York. He donated $5. He said, I'm 42, and I have cried

after two games in my lifetime, Super Bowl 30 and 45. Why do I need to keep seeing these guys that beat us on my team? Hey, man, he's talking about Aaron and Mike McCarthy, man. Oh, and they beat to him in 2010. Yeah, we lost to him in 2010, man. Debo for Hall of Fame, yes, let's go, let's do it. Let's go, Debo, H-O-L. Hey, look here.

Speaking of that, speaking of that, look here. So, great. And we say, the big thing everyone says is you say Mike is great because he never had a lose season. That's a great accomplishment. It doesn't make you the greatest. I have a Super Bowl interception that's 100 yards. No one has ever done in the history of the league as he has done something or ever since now.

That doesn't make me the greatest. I am the only and probably will only be the ever undrafted free agent that has won a defensive MVP that doesn't make me the greatest. But because he has not had a losing season, that makes him the greatest. That cannot go together. It don't go together. It won't go together. Look here, man, we want to thank you guys for joining on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download the show, Joe.

Yes. Please make sure you like, subscribe, download, and catch me and Debo here tomorrow, 11 o'clock. Let's get it. Yes, sir. We'll see you guys tomorrow. We out. I didn't really have an interest of being on air.

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