Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - REACTION to MNF: Tyreek Hill injured, Bengals get COOKED, Dolphins finally win

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to a Monday Night Football featuring Tua Tagovailoa and the Miami Dolphins defeating Justin Fields and the New York Jets and Bo Nix and the Denver Broncos demolishing Ja'Marr Chase and the Cincinnati Bengals. Later, they react to Tyreek Hill's gruesome leg injury and give crown a defensive player of the week for Week 4 of the NFL season! Timeline:00:00 - Deebo with the WORD for Joe08:40 - Dolphins beats Jets17:55- Bengals lose to Broncos26:10 - Harbaugh on Hot Seat?37:00 - Steelers fans in Ireland vs Vikings40:20 - Deebo lost his snake54:35 - Defensive Player of the Week   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NIghtcap See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Welcome back to Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo. And I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Make sure your guys like and subscribe. How you doing today, Joe? I'm doing fine, Dibo, but is that really... Oh, yeah, yeah, it's a snake.

It's a snake. This snake, it's a representation, man. I want to kind of start to show off with a little something. So the Bible makes it clear. Money tells a story, and so does the company around it. Evil money never walks along. It always brings evil people with it. Proverbs says, one who runs with thieves becomes an accomplice,

and the greedy gathering packs plodding together to fill their homes with plants, under. Ill-gotten gangs ties you to crooked company. And in the end, that money destroys both wealth and the people who cling to it. But righteous money has a different crowd. The one who earns with integrity walks with the wise. The one who gives generously attracts friends who bless and uplift. Better a little with righteousness. Scripture says, that great riches with injustice, good money draws people because it builds on, because it builds on justice, generosity, and the fear of the Lord. Now, so if you want to know where a man's money comes from, look at the people around him.

If his company are liars, cheaters, and oppressors, the money is staying with their sin. But if his circle is the wise, the generous, and the upright, then the wealth testifies to the goodness of God. Evil money has evil people around it. Good money has good people around it. That is the goodness of the word. So basically when I'm saying this. Evil money gathers evil company, but righteous money walks with the wise, right? Now, I'm not, I'm not talking about money here, but I'm not talking about money.

I'm talking about the company you keep. So where I'm going with that, Joe, is that where are you going to be on Friday? So Stillers fans, this is what I'm saying to you. I think we have a serpent in our midst. I think we have someone... No, Debo, this can't be where you go on. All of that good talk. He did not go to a way.

Of the good words, no, no. Just tell me where you're going to be, Joe Friday, Joe. I'm going to be doing the cast from good old London. Oh, what? I'm going out to London. I'm going out to London because the Browns are playing the Vikings, people. I'm going out there to support. Stillers just played over there.

Why didn't? You said you go both. I had some things going on at the house. You know what I'm saying? And I wasn't able to make the trip. Same reason why. What, what, what. Go ahead.

Joseph, you're muted, Joseph. Hold on my bad, Debo. Why weren't you on? Why, why, why weren't you on Ireland? I had to make sure that I had to do the show, but I didn't go and eat. I didn't, I didn't. go to any other game for another team. I woke up at my normal early time and watched my Steelers,

whoop on Minnesota. So did I. So did I. I woke up bright and early, watched the Steelers win that 9-30 game, you know, and I will still be doing the cast out there in London,

representing the Browns, and watching the Steelers. They're not playing against each other, So I'm going to be giving the Steelers that love, hoping they won't. They have a bye week. So they won't even have to watch the Steelers. There's no reason, you know what I'm saying? They're chilling.

They're off. So why didn't you go to see the Steelers play over there? I had some things that I had to handle at the house. You know what I'm saying? Just schedule, conflict and schedules. I would have definitely been out there if I could. I know shout out Peezy. He was out there.

We talked about golfing together out there. So you ever been over there? You ever visited any places over there? I've been to I just went and played the old course I went out there last year so I did some golfing out there with a good crew from Pittsburgh

some of my good man we did a trip out there probably like 12 of us from my old country club Edgewood and Pittsburgh so yeah yeah so I still keep the good ties out there in Pittsburgh great people

great vibes didn't go out to Ireland but you know I'm going out to London for the Browns rapping you know what I'm saying I'm still it is you know what it is people I can't believe you put the God's word. I was all in what you were going,

talking about all money and good money, keeping good people. Wee, what, what with the weewee? We all we weed. We all weewee. Still us have a buy, you know what I'm saying? So we're going to see what the Browns talking about. And like, you know, I can't believe you,

I'm just, I'm just checking. I'm just, I was just saying. You came with the good word this morning. You came with a good word. You're always, always good word can be, can be used and, you know, related. second, because the snake was just, you know, he was just staying. That was crazy, too.

You came in with a snake. Oh, can't leave you. I thought we was better than this. We're going to just go ahead and, you know, we're going to jump into this Miami game. You know what I'm saying, man? We had. It'd be your own people, man. It'd be your own people, man.

So the Dolphins beat the Jets 27 to 21. Game wasn't exactly as close as it did. It kind of kept it confused. competitive. First drive, I think Miami, they get a field goal. And then New York drives all the way down there. And I believe it was Jones. He fumbled on the gold line, bro.

Recovered by my young man, Mika. Yeah, Mika got that thing. And then Miami went 96 yards, bro, and converted on a fourth down that was a touchdown down to go ahead and finish that drive. Then New York, dude, New York gets going and they get another fumble. Miami recovers it. They got lucky this time. There was no points on that one.

They had a lot of self-inflicted wounds. They had three times. And especially when you're the Jets, I'm not going to lie. Justin Fields, he did good, using his legs, making some great. he passes. But at the end of the day, he fumbled the ball in the red zone territory. They fumbled the ball going in right there. The running back when he punched it out. And then on special teams, they turned the ball over too. So when you turn the ball over like that, you're not good enough to overcome those turnovers. They still did good on the running game.

They damn there ran for 200 yards. You know what I'm saying? Bryce Hall, Justin Fields. They did really good, you know what I'm saying, using their legs. Yeah, they kept it close. I mean, you know, Well, half time it was three to ten, but they opened the second half and do fumbles, the kickoff return, you know, right there. And now it's, you know, it's 17 to three. Self-inflicted ones. Like, no question. New York went on ahead and the special teams, they came through for them. So they were able to go ahead and he broke one for about 40, 45 yards on that scramble.

So it was still 17 to 10. It was close right then and there. Oh, that play was crazy. I thought, I'm like, there's no way he's going to make it all. It was like Tecmo Bowl. You know how Tecmo Bowl used to do Tecmo Bowl and ran? Yes, right. Out of control, man.

Yeah, that looked like a Michael Vick run. It's not too many quarterbacks that can do that. Like Lamar, him, you know what I'm saying? His athletic ability. So that was good to put that on the splat. Yeah. And then, you know, Miami, Tariq, he ended up getting hurt. But in that same, you know, that same, you know,

that same possession, then, I was sorry, the same, yeah, the same possession, New York ended up committing, was it three penalties, two that were actually accepted, it was one passing offense and an unnecessary rustness that gave them a first down, and I believe they stopped them on third, allowed them to score, go up 24 to 10. The offense. Do you want to get into that Tyreek Hill now? because that was a little, that was, that was egregious. I think he, you know, that's just one of them situations, dude,

where you're trying to, like, stop yourself. He was trying to stop itself and really fall in it. And it just, we don't exactly know how bad it is. I believe he has a surgery today. They say it's just located knee, right? Yeah, but I think it's, I don't know for sure. But, yeah, I think it, yeah, yeah. I think he said it was an ACL too.

Oh, is it? Oh. Yeah, I think it is, brother. He got the ligaments too. That's bad, dude. Yeah, that's bad. When I was looking at it, brother, it just was, at the end of the day, you know how that is. When you're out there playing those injuries and seeing your leg like that, I've never had an injury where I've been able to, like, look at my leg and be in a disabled spot.

You know what I'm saying? That could just be a lot of emotions, a lot of stuff going through your mind. And like, it's shock. You know what I'm saying? It could probably put your body in the shock. You're not knowing what's going on. So when I seen him going off kind of like clapping, saying, yes, he could be doing that for, thank the look that I'm still alive.

You know what I'm saying? It could be a lot worse. My whole leg could have came off. You know what I'm saying? So just a lot of emotions, a lot of things just really kind of burning through your head at that particular moment. So just prayers out to him. And you never want to see anybody out there because you never know kind of what they're going

through, what's going through their mind. and if your leg to look down at it and see it, I don't know. I have a weak stomach. I would have fainted. I would pass right out. No, dude, I did a high ankle spring one time, and I didn't want to look down because I thought my ankle was twisted the other way.

I'm like, yeah, I'm not looking down. So I waited for him to get on the field and finally look down. I'm like, yo, where it's like, no, it's straight. Is it the right way? It's like, yeah, it's good. I'm like, no, it was just a high. It was a bad one, though. I had to wear a cast for like two weeks and then another, you know, whatever it was.

But to actually look down and see that, he grabbed that thing. I'm like, yeah, I'm with you. I'm not even looking. Somebody got to tell me. Oh, my gosh. Somebody got to tell me something. Yeah, no question. Just got some real issues, though.

Like, you know, you got three turnovers to, you know, you can't do nothing with three turnovers. Even though the Jets outgained Miami 400 to, 300 something like that 190 like you said 197 rushing 220 passing like that was almost you know Miami's total offense you know what I'm saying they even had more first downs dude 23 to 19 they had a better third down percentage like it was 44% to 33 like but the penalties the penalties. The penalties.

They only had two drives, I believe, where they didn't have, you know, a penalty on it. And I believe one was a touchdown and the other ended up being a three and out. Like... A lot of that stuff, you can't win like that. Those self-inflicted wounds, like you said, gaining all those yards,

getting down into the red zone, being able to run the ball in that manner, and not being able to score points, being able to have two turnovers in the red zone. Those are 14, those could be 14 points, you know what I'm saying, on the board. You eliminated, you didn't get field goals out of it, you got nothing. So you plan against a team where you're gaining yards, you're moving the ball. Defense wasn't playing as, I mean, defense is playing better than they were because you got 400 yards against them.

They got 300 and some yards. But both defenses weren't playing too well, but you've got to convert and you got to score when you're in the red zone because that's, and then when you don't, you turn the ball over, that's how you're going to lose those games. Yeah, yeah. Just issues, at what point is this maybe a coaching thing? I'm just, you know, sometimes what you allow in practice is what ends up, you know, happening in games. Like teams that don't tackle well usually don't practice and tackle well. Teams, you know, teams that get a lot of holding penalties, you know, offensive line defense, whatever that may be, they get away with it in practice. You know what I'm saying?

I think it's something, you know, that has to be, you know, going on. I mean, this is not an issue with one game. This has been something that has been going on for the last four games. So, you know, at what point do you start questioning, you know, is this something that it's just being allowed? And when you get into a game, you no longer, you know, now you're having to pay for it because it was maybe allowed at practice. What do you think?

Yeah. I think because it's fumbles, you know what I'm saying? with this particular game, it was ball security. It was a fumble on the kickoff return. It was Justin Fields getting stripped of with a fumble. And then it was the running back going into the end zone, diving in and getting fumbled. So that's a ball security thing. I think that's just, like you said, I don't, they have to practice ball security.

Justin Fields has to know that he's not throwing picks like that. So that's a good situation. But just knowing when you get people around you, when you have guys running and stripping at the ball, we can't be losing the ball like that. Same thing with the kickoff returner. with the ball handler. It's not really a like an interception job. It's really a ball security thing. So I know what you're saying with coach.

You got to coach that up. You got to make sure I'm talking about the penalties. I'm talking about the pre-snap in-snap penalties. I don't, the turnovers is something that, like you said, that's going to, you know, that's something that you're going to have to do in a moment. And you could do it at practice,

but you can't do it to that level. But you're talking about pre-snap. You're talking about false starts. You're talking about holdings. You're talking about, you know, illegal for, things like that that. that's a coach those those things those things are coaching things i was talking to turnovers right there that's just something that you know can't really be but the pre-snap penalties

all of that yeah that that is a coaching thing if it's not if you're accepted you can't allow it to happen those dudes can't be playing um it seems like something that they have to make that an emphasis of practice because are they getting off are they getting are they get jumping off sides of practice you know what i'm saying i'm not in their huddle but i know what you're saying like They got to figure that out. Yeah, for sure. Something definitely has to be done. So the Bengals, I mean, the Bengals,

sorry, man. The Bengals lost to the Broncos 28 to 3. The Bengals got, got beat like a red-ha-step-old, man. Like, fresh. They got to work. That whole thing was, that was not cute, brother. I think Bro, the bang go, what you think?

Dude, it was a blowout from the start, you know. Yeah. They got a field goal on the first drive, which was, I believe, 65 yards of, you know, the total of 159, the offense that they had. And then Denver went on to score, was it, 28 unanswered? Cincinnati only completed, I think it was 2,000. third downs, stacking up penalties, you know, like squirrels store nuts, bro.

Offense can't protect the quarterback. They can't run the ball. On top of that, you put your quarterback in shotgun all night. When you put him in shotgun all night and your offense can't block, that gives me a half second more to have to determine that, oh, you're not even running the ball. Now I get to pin my ears back and just. take off. He's sacked, what, three times, pressured multiple times. And the quarterback you have right now is not the gunslinger that, you know, Burrow is. He's not going to be able to just

sit back there and pick somebody apart. You know, you had on top of that, the defense, they out there for 80 plays. Offense only had 43 plays. They couldn't convert nothing. You know, the defense couldn't stop a nose bleed. Them boys gave up over 500 yards. They let Bo Nix get, what is it, 320, 326, two tubs. He did have a pick. They still gave up 185, 86 rushing. And then the boy, Dobbins, he went for 101 on only 16 carries.

He over six yard to carry, dude. No pass rush. I think they only hit the quarterback one time. Well, it was, from the Broncos perspective, they look great. Bo Nix was out there. He looked amazing. Besides that pick that he threw when they were up 14 to 3, and I thought that, if he would just score right there and made it 21 to 3,

I think that was his only, that was his only big hiccup for me that he did the whole game. Everything else, using his legs, creating on third down, throwing it to court and suttling. The biggest thing for me, too, was right before half when he did throw that pick, They came back and he threw that whole shot on to Sims, the 28-yard dot right in between the underneath corner and the overtop safety. And then on third and two, going in right before halftime about 20-some seconds left, he threw that bang eight where it suddenly widened out. And then he looked off the safety like a great quarterback does and then dropped it, drilled it right on the money for a touchdown going into halftime. And I was like, way to just answer from throwing the pick and coming back and throwing the touchdown. down. He looked comfortable. The running game was looking good.

Corlin Settling was going to work on my man for the Bengals that corner number 29. He had a long day. But they just looked like they were just, they looked smooth. It can be smooth when you ain't got no pass rush. You get you getting a little resistance. You know what I'm saying? They're running the ball, you know, when you. You can only, you can only perform to who you're playing against.

You can't make, that's not their bad that they're going to get some dudes that aren't. Well, he had a career day. So the defense, you know, help that. You know, it's, when you just have your career day, it's a little, you know, we'll see how he proceeds going forward. But I think the defense helped him a lot with the lack of being able to do anything, to be honest. It was good. It was good, but you could say it was good, it was good Broncos and bad bangers. It could do both at the same time.

You know what I'm saying? So I think, like you said, the Bengals, terrible tackling, like them being able to just consistently create on, make plays on third downs. But like you said, too, when your offense isn't helping you at all, when you have so many pre-snap, post-stap penalties where they're just flags throwing all over the place, 13 flags for 101 yards, you're not, I mean, for a lot, you're not going to win like that, especially when you can't create any sort of third down. or keeping the ball, creating more drives. So, I mean, then they had Jamar Chase and Higgins out there. They couldn't get him the ball, Joe Burrow. They ain't got Gerberra right there, dude. That's a issue.

That's a huge issue, you know what I'm saying? Especially everything is built around him. And when you don't have that, this is the type of performance you get. But as you say, Denver did play. So we go end up getting a chance to see that next week. week when Denver goes to Philly in Philly and we go see what the defense and offense do then. That'll give us a measuring, you know, a measuring stick of, you know, was it as bad

bangles or as good Denver? Yep, yep. Always good to see because, you know, like you said, they're going to be able to carry it into the next week. And like you said, going against a good team like the Eagles, when we see is that, is that run game with J.K. Dobbins going to look like that? is Bo Nets going to still be able to be as creative? Is Cortland Sutton going to be able to get off like he was versus a good Philly defense?

You know what I'm saying? Are they going to be able to look like they didn't really go against an offense that week? So with them having 153 total yards, three points, let's see what they do against Philly. Are they going to stop Sequan? They're going to stop J.L. Hurts, you know what I'm saying? A.J. Brown, Devonti Smith. It's going to be a way bigger test, you know what I'm saying when they go against a real team.

So I know what you're saying, but when they get into the stadium, let's see what they do versus. Oh, yeah, sure. What do you think the Bengals should do? You think they should, depending on how long they're going to be without Burrow, if it's going to be an extended period. You think they need to find somebody to play quarterback, try and pick something up before the trade deadline, see if somebody will trade. I mean, if they want to do something, if they want to stay relevant

and they want to try to continue to win games, because I don't think this, for me, in my opinion, no. I mean, the Bengals, they don't, doesn't look good for them. Joe Burrow is going to be, I think, with his toe, if he's going to be out for an period of time, they're not looking at least maybe December, something like that. So, yes, they're not going to win enough games to be even in the playoff pitcher. So I think that should rest up, Joe Burrow, definitely try to, if they want to try to win games and even have a chance to bring him back this year, you've got to get a better quarterback

because that's not going to work what you got going on right now. You're not running the ball well. Your offensive line isn't getting any better. So no matter who you bring in, they're probably going to get hit up. upside the head also. So I don't think, I think the Bengals have a lot more problems than they have answers. And if you're just trying to bring in another quarterback to try to salvage this season until Joe Burrell comes back, because in the long term, Joe Burrow doesn't need to come back. If they're in three and ten, by the time he comes back mathematically eliminated, you're going to bring him

back to get hit up again. Then you work on getting that line right, hopefully trying to get a run game, something like that. But in this recent future, there's no answers of fixing the Bengals right now. Yeah, you got to correct the other issues before you put something in there as a fix it. You got to have everything else fixed before you plug in something that you believe can help you win because you got too many other, you got too many other hoves. Yeah, exactly. Jim Harbaugh said on Sunday, Sunday night, that he wouldn't comment on whether Lamar could have came back into the game or not. So they gave him another chance, I guess, on Monday.

Our boss said, there's no way he was going back in the game. The injury precluded it. It was no way he could go back in the game. I know Lamar, I can assure you he would have been, I can assure you if he would not have been able to go back in the game under any circumstances. What do you think? You think he would have went back in? I think he would have went back in

if they was close. I think it would have went back in that they was close, for sure. I mean, the game, it means too much. I don't know. We'll see. It depends if he played next week. If he played next week,

he could have went back in the game. If he don't play next week, then he couldn't have went back into the game. Because it's not one of those things where it's like, okay, I could go back into the game, I can make it through, or I couldn't go back into the game, and then I'm down that next week.

week two, then, yeah, that's a really couldn't get back into the game circumstance where they didn't want to, you know, take a chance of making it worse. Because the way Lamar plays the game, hamstring is not something he can, you know, he can go into a game with because he runs the ball a lot. He uses his legs to, you know, make people miss and do fast. And when you hit a gear on a, you know, a partially healed up hamstring, that thing is. this go pop even worse than it did the first time, dude. You got to let them hamstrings fully healed because you and I went messing with it

and, like you said, letting it really go. And that's one of, that's Lamar's strength. That's his thing. Like the fear of him being able to take off on you, him being that other weapon on the field, because his arm obviously is amazing, but Lamar's dual threat of him being able to take off on you. If you're playing man and man in the backs of the turn, he could take it to the house. So him being able to know, like, end of the day, that hamstring,

I need to be at full strength, running full speed. And if I do come out there playing around with it, I could be gone for extended period of time. Yeah, it's nothing to play with it. Yeah, for sure. Our ball also took off on Ravens' offensive approach and play calling. On the Marr's interception, he said it wasn't a good call. It wasn't a play where we put our guys in the right position in that situation.

I'm not happy with it at all. None of us are. They ran a double-backer blitz inside where they were right in Lamar's face. We had downfield routes with no checkdowns. That kills the drive. You're moving the ball right down the field. So no, I don't like the play call at all. He went on to say that they asked him if the chiefs, if they're

were prepared for the Chiefs Blitz. He said, I don't, I don't think our approach was, was, he said, I don't think our approach was good. We didn't stick to the plan we had. We had an idea of how we wanted to approach their defense and we didn't stick to it. And I'm not happy about it and neither is anybody. None of our coaches are happy about it, especially I'm talking about the coaches right now. That's with us.

It was not a good job. What is your reaction to hardball statements right here? What are you reading? Is this one I'm trying to figure out? Who, so is he taking blame for it? Is he calling the plays or is he blaming the offensive coordinator? That's why I want to ask, that's my question to you. The question is, there ain't no question.

He said that the offensive approach and play calling that means he's talking about the offensive coordinator the guy that is calling the offense that is putting the plays in lamar's ear telling them what to do giving them you know you're trying to get some type of groove going he's talking about him so what he's saying is he's throwing him under the bus he's saying listen look my coordinator is not giving us putting us in the position and the team in position to win. Those dudes were not prepared, ill-prepared. What do you, is that what he's saying, or am I tripping?

No, you're not tripping. What's the Ravens record? It's one and three, right? I think so, yes. Right now, you're on a one-and-three Ravens team who is supposed to be in the top, you know, three, four teams in the league, this powerhouse. and now you are one and three quartered away through the season.

I am reading this as a head coach who is trying to get it ready to save his job. As you know what, I had a problem with this. Although I did hire you, I let you run your offense. and call it the way you wanted to, and I'm not happy with it right now, and I want everybody to know I'm not happy with it. So that if this shit goes all the way downhill, you will be my fall guy.

We don't care that the defense has given up anything, or everything, I should say. We're going to go with what he's seeing over here and how he feels about it. And this right here is a setup, for if this don't get turned around, the offense don't start looking like the offense, they're going to be the fall guy.

He, the old coordinator, is going to be the fall guy. Man, Debo, that's exactly. We're seeing the same thing that just happened. Like, when things aren't going well, they're supposed to be number one in the AFC. They're supposed to be leaving. They're supposed to be on the way to figure out how to get it. You just gave the old coordinator a new contract.

Was it February much? But this is the part of that I'm saying, too, how when Lamar Jackson's numbers aren't that bad? You know what I'm saying? This game was, this game wasn't that good. This game was the worst game that they had on the offensive side of the ball. Defense has been the main reason why they haven't been successful. I'm trying to get out.

Why would you come throw out your officer coordinator like this when your defense has been playing, like, like, league bad, like, historically bad, historically bad. You know, what I'm saying, and then you're going to come out at the offensive coordinator. You're definitely, honestly, when he did make a couple of bad calls, you're letting people know, put eyes on him, like, making sure, like, this is not the way, like, you did not put our players in position to win. That's definitely making a scapegoat, but I'm like, he's just setting up another scapegoat

because you already got one if you want to really throw it to their defensive side. Like, that's not, no, no, that's a little harder. I think that's a little harder for him, maybe as he's being a player's coach is, if I call out the defensive side, it ain't about a scheme. It's about we getting mistackles, missed assignments. We just getting pushed around,

ran through. Now you're talking directly to the players. To your, yeah, yeah, not your individual players. No. Okay. Maybe for him, I got it. It's easier for him to get rid of an OC rather than lose the whole defense. Because the defense, like he said, like

when, what's my man, Hamilton was saying? You can't put on the coach, the defensive coach, because we're in the position. We're just not making the plays. We're not just communicating right. But on the offensive side, when you're not making schemes the right way, but the numbers are good, you can put it on

the offense coordinator. Like, no, he's just the plays, and he just didn't have us in particular systems when we need it to. He's picking and choosing. Okay, I can see it. I can see it. Right. Like, well, you got a case where the player already

took the the finger off of the de-coordinator. Listen, the defense works. We're just not going out there and executing it right. We're not being where we're supposed to be. That's on us. Ain't nobody on offense said,

the play calling is great. You know, it's nothing wrong with it. We just got to execute now. No. So it's enough, you know, here and there that, you know what? this ain't going good. Offense ain't living up to what we think they should live up to because of the play calling,

not because of the people we got. When he's doing good, he's doing good. You know, like you said, the play calling at the end of the very first game, you know, with Buffalo. It did not equate to what they were doing beginning. And like you said, plan to not lose, not playing to win, not playing the stump. lights out, put up 50 on him if you can, you know, he started, he started playing conservative doing things that he didn't do to get to where he was at. And it, you know, of course, you got Josh Allen, like I said, but it allowed them the opportunity to come back and win that

game. No, for show, you right now. I mean, defense, like he said, if we know we got on, oh, let's go, let's go, let's just be historically great. When we do have Lamar, when we do have Derek Hammer, you should be able to scheme that up to make an offense top tier. And if we're not, I'm going to blame that on you. Defense right now, it's not to play calling. Our individual players need to perform better. They have, and they know that. They've said that. It's not the coach. It's not the scheme. It's the players. But I see exactly what he's talking about right there, how Harbow is trying to, you know what I'm saying, put that on them. But at the same time, like you said, I've seen, we've seen where they need to play not to lose in the win and be able to

Try to stump people out instead of like slowing it down, changing it up, getting vanilla. No, run the scoreboard up. You know what I'm saying when you can. And there's been situations where they haven't. They start playing a little different. They don't know how to control the lead or not even control it. Extend the lead. Keep a lead.

Be able to expand leads. Yeah, definitely. Since you're going over there to London, Patrick McQueen was over there in Dublin. He said some interesting comments about Steelers fans at the Dublin game. he talked about the environment saying it was incredible it might be a little it might it might get a little heat but it was kind of different than being at home they were into the whole game every single third down we could hear them and he's saying he's saying the fans he's saying y'all still his fans don't get as the douglin fans still the fans do so

Do we need to step up our game? We definitely need to step up our game. We'd be kind of quiet at them games. Of course, they'd be playing Renegade at the wrong time and everything else. I understand that messes up your mojo. But what do you take or what do you find interesting about these comments, brother? I think sometimes, you know, when you go out of, when you go out of the country, I think a lot of the teams, they're just very, very excited and they, uh,

appreciate, you know, they don't get all of the games. So it's like a Super Bowl. You're not just getting Steelers fans. You're getting a bunch of different, everybody's wearing different jerseys. Everybody's coming out there just to support the game of football. And I think sometimes maybe in some Steelers games, I mean, they could probably just get a little comfortable, a little relaxed. And I've seen some of these, like, just season ticket holders in the regular sections.

Have you seen the videos of where people don't really like the fans standing up and getting I believe this rules against standing up that they may actually have. I'm not sure of this. If someone knows, let me know. But I think they don't want you standing because you would be blocking the view

of the person behind you. And that is, that is, I definitely heard that too. Yeah. So do you think, is, is that a rule? I don't know if it's a rule. That's something that we would have to, that's something that we would have to,

that's something that we would have. have to check out we had to look at it yeah because i mean because you know this i've never really been going to games like that but i've always seen like i if people stand up in the crowd it's kind of like if you stand up you're blocking somebody else and then they kind of stand up but over there i think it's just a different environment like everybody's hype and you're just standing up kind of the whole game you know what i'm saying showing that you're kind of into it cheering being involved i think more of when you're watching this is just okay so So it's no rules against it, but they say it's etiquette, you know, respect, you know, the other, you know, consideration of other people around you all that.

So there's no rules against it. So Stiller fans, you can stand up at the game and cheer. And if, you know, the person behind you tell you to sit down, you tell them to stand up so you can see. And you won't have a problem. Get into the game. Stop sitting there. like a like a like a lump yeah like a like a lump oh my goodness bull where you don't go in my shirt oh c depo you got to get control of that he hot right now so he's moving like he's moving moving

man he tripping hey how do you feel about it though do you think do you think he was saying he was lost in my house for six months no how so my son opened the the cage door to show somebody. He obviously didn't close it all the way, right? Yeah, so I get the call, Snake gone, Kevin gone, woo, woo, whoa, whoa. I'm like, what you mean he's going? He's like, he ain't in there, he left, da, da, da. I'm like, all right, just look around the house.

So when I get back home, man, I'm tossing the house up, man. I'm looking under every couch. I'm looking everywhere, man. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, dude, like, he'll go die in a wall. He'll start stinking. Like, you know, I'm thinking about that. I didn't, I didn't gave up, I didn't gave up the search. I didn't tossed up every couch, everything, dude.

I didn't, I didn't cut the lining underneath. The house upside down. My couch is to see if he in there. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, for sure. So I can't find this. You got a snake in the crib. And I'm sitting there and I'm looking at the cage.

He got a snake cage over there. And I'm looking, I'm like, yo, I need to get rid of this cage, you know, make some room, whatever. I got a little reptile room. I got a beard of dragon in there with him. But this one I'm trying to tell you, when you didn't find the snake, you just thought the snake was gone in your house. No, I thought he had maybe went downstairs and got outside or something, you know, whatever it may be. So I didn't gave up searching for him, dude, and I'm sitting there and I hear the, this is about six months later, dude. I'm sitting there and I hear the blinds, like wiggle.

I didn't know it was the blinds. So I get up at like three, between three and four o'clock, depending on the day. And as I'm about to leave before I go to the gym, I do all my Bible reading and everything else. And I'm sitting there and I heard what I thought was paper hit the floor, right? And I'm like, that's crazy. So I look into my, you know, I look into the reptile room. Like, maybe some paper fell on the floor. I don't pay no attention to it.

So I'm putting my shoes on. I'm going to walk out the door, and I hear the blinds go, I'm like, oh my God, I think that's Kevin, right? So I walk over there. I think that's Kevin. And this dude is in the blinds like this bumping the blinds. And I'm like, yeah, this is crazy. That's crazy.

Brother, do, how often do you feed the snake? How did they survive without getting those? Does it have to eat? I just fed him yesterday. He ate four mice. So they can go months. And I mean, maybe a year without eating, dude. You know, my orthodontist I went to told me a story where, you know, he had somebody that lost one for almost nine months.

And they ended up lifting the bed up cleaning in between the mattress and the box spring. And he was laying there. still alive so you know there's one thing about me Debo I'm not a fan I can't do none of that I can't do snakes

I can't do reptiles I can't do none of that I'm doing all that man I used to have a I used to have a 10 foot well when I got rid of him he was almost 11 feet Burmese python

and the only reason I got rid of him is because I was a little nervous then I was like when I was in college and you know at 10 feet they got the ability to go ahead and tap you out so yeah they they he get the land right next to you sizing you up yeah no i don't i don't leave him off the cage i ain't crazy like that i ain't crazy like that no i had i had clipped locks

on the cage and all that dude yeah yeah no question i can't have him popping out on me like that like listen anyway man if you go to the game stand up if you want to sit down sit on your couch at home We don't need you there. We need some people that's going to be routed and excited and making noise. All right. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm talking about. I mean, if you have some leg deficient, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're older, I can see, you know what I'm saying.

Respectful. That's what I'm saying. It's more of a, like, a respectful thing. If we just going to stand up because it's time to get loud and like we just trying to cheer, then. Yeah, don't just stand there, you know what I'm saying for no reason. You just be standing there just, it's a timeout. You're just standing up, just all in people's way. You know what I'm saying?

If we're chilling, we're chilling. But like, just know, that's what he's saying, like on third down. When you know when to turn up and you know when to be quiet, not when the offense is on third down, we're like, yeah, let's go to like. No, it's quiet time. Be quiet. This is quiet. See, the quarterback doing this, he wants you to be quiet. Now, when the defense on the field, make all the noise you want.

Make all the noise you. Play all the renegades, y'all. Yes. It's smart cheering. It's smart noise. Definitely. We got Austin Genty. He went on back.

He went on back to his stance. Went on back to the Halloween stance. He Carol loved it. He loved it. He said, nope, that's not it. So But they call it the Halloween

Because you stand there straight up Like Michael Myers You know like how Michael Myers You know like how Michael Myers stand there And then he run your ass down You know when you took off For 150 yards And he just walking and get you

I don't know Time travel or something I don't know how he'd be getting to him though Bro this one up How do you how do you feel about it? He said he went crazy Was it Chip that told him not to do the stands? Yeah, dude, it was it was Chip Kelly that that told him not to do the stands.

I don't know. I guess for me personally, I understand where he's going with it. You know, Chip Kelly was the main person that, you know, advised him to, you know, change the stance, you know. He said it's a bent knee game, you know. I understand where he's going with it. and I understand their approach. I tell my kids the same thing. Like, why are you sitting there standing up?

Like, your knees need to be bent because that's one less move you got to make to take off. So I understand that. But for him, obviously, it's not what, you know, it's not what makes him comfortable. He's a guy that he's done that his whole life, his whole career. I don't, you know, I don't see it being chip. Kelly, you know, trying to take control and make guys do things that, you know, they,

they don't want to do or don't like to do or him just trying to be controlling of their situation. I don't think it's overcoaching. I think it's the game. Like, do you think it's an example of him, you know, being overcoaching players or, you know, being, like, everything has to be his way or no way? I think this one in particular is a little tough, you know what I'm saying, because him standing straight up like that, if you were to look at it's like, you want, I was

thinking about just from coaching when you first started playing the game, you were tall, you know what I'm saying? Like you said, bent any game, like you don't, like football position, you know what I'm saying? You got to just like get down and benton and get ready to move because it kind of takes away one movement. If he's already going to go from standing straight up to bent, to bent, you know, down to moving, then that's the thing. But I think on this, I understand what the coach is saying,

but I only look at it a little bit where when you get to the NFL by this time, you've been doing something in a way that's your way that's got you to be who you are and why you're here. Once we're to this level, like, if he's not blocking a person, if he's not getting his job done, then we make changes. But let that man cut. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're not going to go change his, the way I press because this is the way I've been pressing.

I'm in the league. You can show me a different technique, Coach, but if my press is, like, I'm comfortable. Like, don't get me uncomfortable because now I'm in the league, I'm drafted, and you're telling me to do something different than the way that got me here. Like, that's just my only thing. Like, don't, if he's not effective and he's not doing, like,

like, not picking up blocks or not getting off, then there's something to be coached. But let that man stand and let him go get the rock and do what he has to do on that part, because now he's in the league, he's comfortable, just don't make him uncomfortable. And if he's comfortable there and being able to get the job done, then let that man cook.

You know what I'm saying? No question about it. That's like, you know, trying to change the dudes, you know, shot in the NBA once he goes pro. Like you're trying to change his form and shot his comfort level. You can't do that. This is where he's comfortable at. This is where he feels more powerful at.

You know, I can see, you know, if he went in doing it and he didn't have success, his first three games, he changed it up to what they. wanted and he struggled getting it going he said you know what i don't feel comfortable it's not really working for me let me see how i feel how i play when i get into the position that i'm used to playing in for the last you know umpteen years that i've been playing this game and he came through and he dude he ran their rock so you know i don't like i said i see it as him initially Chip just trying to, you know, make sure he was in a position like, okay, maybe if he's

in his position, it would be even better. But again, you can't, you know, it's a little different when you're talking about changing the NBA player's shot because that's that, that's it. But, you know, a stance you're thinking from bent knees to straight up shouldn't change money, it may, it may make you more effective, you know, I don't, you know. You know, I did, James, you, I'm, I'm, I'm, are you getting the job done? You know what I'm saying? Like, can you do the job?

job. I don't give a damn how you stand. I don't give it. What's going on? If you're getting the job done, you're getting the job done. That's all that matters. So respectfully, if you're, if you are teaching you football, you don't want kids. It's like, that's just not a natural, like always like, you know, just from little, it's bent knee. So you kind of want to be in a football position being ready to go. But when you talk about Ashton Jensy, this man knows what he's playing. He knows he's playing a football game. He's standing up about to get that pill. And when he's toting it, he's not standing straight up. He understands that. So let that man cook. I think, If it's a stance, you know what I'm saying?

With Chip's way, he averaged, I think, 3.1 yards of carry on 47 attempts. But since changing his stance on Sunday, he went for a record 155, 139, 138, sorry, on the ground, and three touchdowns, two receiving and one rushing. These braces be killing me, bro. Yeah, they'd be getting me, dude. After the game, Gentry said, that's how. I naturally feel good standing in the backfield. So that's how I'm going to play.

Amen, Gentile. You run, you stand just like that, straight up. Straight up. Yeah. To be honest, dude, I don't, I don't know if I would have gave him three games. I might have gave him two and then been like, yo, the same. This ain't, the same, the same. The same.

The same is the same. I love it, though. He coachable. He coachable. He tried. He tried to coach his way. He listened, he did the thing, but now he's like, all right, Coach, now I'm going to go ahead stand straight up and hoop out.

I'm going to give you 155 and three tuds, stand it straight up. 155, three tuts, and I'm going to give you a little something, little something in the past game. I'm going to give you. Come on. I don't have, yeah. It's working. He can't say nothing now.

Like, it is what it is, bro. Hey, you know, who's your, who's your, who's your, who's your, uh, defense. player the week, bro? Oh my goodness. My defense MVP probably got the same. He's a hooper. Oh, I got

Kevin Byard. The safety for the safety for the Chicago Bears. My man had two picks versus Gino Smith in the first half. He had seven tackles and a tackle for loss.

But it's about the way that he had his picks. They weren't just like he fell into. to the pigs, like in the right place at the right time. He read Gino Smith like a book twice, same route, deep daggers. He's the middle field safety. Just backing up, boom, playing Gino. And like, soon as he sees that, he's breaking on the ball, hands, catches the ball, makes great play.

So it's not even just that some people you get picks because you're in the right place or right time. Oh, lucky he made great plays reading the quarterback, reading his eyes like a book, two great picks in the first half. And I think those turnovers are what helped them be able to win. the game. Gino, help them. So shout out.

Kevin, Byr. Shout out. Yes, uh. Good. Everything good. Play good. Say good. Hey, what they say, you, you, uh...

They pay good. Yes. If you play good, they pay good. Debo, so look, who you have for your defensive MVP? Did you have one? I didn't have a defensive MVP, but I did have a defensive player. And, um, oh, you like, you know, you know, I got like a whole team, though. You know what I'm saying?

What you mean? Got like a whole team with defensive players. I'm just going to give you to the whole still of defense. Oh, yes, man. I just go give it to the whole still of them. They all of them. Everybody, everybody. Everybody love.

Kevin, stop tripping, bro. This is what happened when he get food and he, and he, and he warn. He wanted to move around a lot. See, what I should have did. Yes, that's too much for me, man. Turn the heat off and then go get him because then he'll stay wrapped around my neck.

He won't want to move because the body heat. You know what I'm saying? You ain't got no pets of any kind, yo. I used to have, look, when I was growing up, I had dogs. You know what I'm saying? I raised them dogs. and now I have kids

and they talk about they wanted the dog and that was going to make me raise another dog them little dudes weren't doing nothing so you know what I'm saying no more animals here

I'm crazy I got you what's up man you didn't get the dog and didn't give it away did you Joe I mean look I didn't get the dog

I mean yeah the dog the dog is not a little way it was a great family it was a great family it was a great family it's a great family Joe, Joe, I can't never just get a yes and no out of you, Joe.

I can't, I can't. Yeah. You, you that dude. I'm not that dude, Debo, but my kids ask for the dog. I already had a dog when I was younger. I didn't feel like raising another dog and I was raising another dog. Joe. Loved a dog and I didn't have enough time to be able to make sure.

Joe, you got to suffer through some things for your cheering. Look at this. No, sir. No, sir. Look at this. You think I want, well, I didn't want to. snake, but I got a snake. I definitely didn't want a bearded dragon,

but I got a bearded dragon. And now I'm the one washing that ass and clipping the toenails. See, look, but look, see, this is what I'm going to do. This is my thing. It's not the dog's fault. I don't want to have to be, I'm going to give all of my attention to bringing

my kids, picking them up from school still. I'm doing drop-off pickup. I love it. Do you know the joy of pleasure they would get from coming home to seeing the dog that you got them? They get to come home to enjoy the time. with me, we're going to have a blast. Do you know I built a, I built last night, Debo,

I built a Hellcat Lego with Joey 400 pieces. Hellcat Lego. Last night. Hellcat Lego, green and black. 400 piece Lego. You got much time you could have saved if you just had that dog and said, here, go walk the doggy.

No, that's what I call quality time. Quality time with myself. That's what you call quality, but you can't have a quality time with your son and the dog, huh? No, because he's going to be pooping And then baby trying to bite up my shoes And smelling up my house Not in the bad way, but like dog

This is my home I don't want my house to smell like dog It ain't got to smell like dog That's dirty people that don't paint their house Or wash their dog Who the dog? Who? The dog The dog that shit is over there When now I got to go walk the dog

My son ain't going to go walk the dog I told him son, walk the dog And I come home and there's a little bit of dog poop In my closet Behind my shoes So I'm like, oh, whose dog is this? Who's going to be watching this dog? It pooped in my closet.

See, I'm also like, I ain't just, I'm like, now I got another whole kid walking around without a diaper on, pooping, biting up my shoes. You don't, you don't kennel him when you're gone? You ain't even let him get out of being a puppy it sound like to me, Joe. How long did you? Oh, my God, Joe. Come on. How long did you keep the dog for you? You gave it away.

I did not, man, the dog is having a blast right now. I get pictures of the, I know what the dog is. You answer the question, Joe. You ain't answered it. Come on, did you keep the dog for you gave him away? For like a year, for a year. Right, he wasn't even full of crime. For a year.

What kind of dog was it, Joe? Bro. Joe. Yes, it was a Tika. It was a little dog. Oh, my God. It was a pocket dog and you could have carried him everywhere. I don't need, I don't know, I don't, what, Debo?

I'm not walking around with a lap dog. I don't need a lap dog. I don't want a lap dog. I don't want a lap dog either. That's the reason I won't get one. See, I don't allow my dogs on my furniture. I don't allow him in my bedroom. Well, actually, he dying, so I kind of allow him in there now.

Yeah, respect. Yeah, that's the only reason, though. But I don't allow dogs on my furniture in my bed or nothing like that. Now, that's one reason I keep big dogs. I really believe that I may get soft and allow something that's, you know, don't shed one of those hyperallergenic type dogs. And I beat up messed around and let him on my couch. But also, when I walk my dog, I don't want to feel like I got to fight for him against

another dog. So I got to keep your dogs. He can hold his own. You know, I ain't never trying to fight for him. for my dog. I had a Rockwaller growing up, and I had a Cane Corso. So I know about the big dogs, and I love those dogs. Those are my favorite dogs in my life.

Those were great dogs. So I'm not against dogs at all. You're against dogs that you got to take care of. I just, I already took care of those dogs when I was a kid, and my kids aren't doing it. They're making me do the same thing I did when I was a kid, and I'm cool now. I already did that. I already know my dogs. I love my dog.

Joe. Bappy. Love you Bappy. My Rockwaller that I had. Win. And my Cane Corso. 30 years ago. Yep.

No. I had Bapie, yep, about 30. Yep. I had Bapie from 6 to 12. And then I had sugar from about 13 to about, like about 21. And they passed away. But those were great dogs. Man, we got, I guess, some super chats right here.

We got Richard Rubin donated two. bucks and said, throw the snake at Ocho. I ain't throwing my snake at Ocho, man. It'll be done to kill my snake. Then I really have to go on head and catch a case. It ain't even my snake. You say, I say my snake is actually my son. It's my snake now.

I ain't tripping. It's my snake now. That's what it's going to be, bro. Listen here, Joe. I want you to have a good time, you know, over there. going to see the Steelers. I mean the Brown, sorry. You didn't go see the Steelers.

I watched that game. I was up right in there. Okay, I'm just saying you didn't travel there. I mean, that shows you have more dedication there. The same reason you didn't travel. We had other things going on. Like I said, like I said, I didn't go to any game overseas. That wasn't for anyone else.

And if I could have went for the Steelers and still made my commitments, I would have Joe. Now, we want to thank you guys for joining us for the Debo and Joe. Episode 14, I don't know. Man, we're getting nothing now. Okay, listen, make sure y'all hit the like button and subscribe.

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