Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - REACTION to Packers BEATING Commanders! Green Bay D SHOWS UP + Ekeler Achilles tear

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Thursday Night Football where Jordan Love and the Green Bay Packers defeated Jayden Daniels and the Washington Commanders 27-18. Later, Deebo & Joe react to the mews that San Francisco 49ers QB Brock Purdy will miss 2-5 weeks with a toe injury, and much more news ahead of Week 2 of the NFL season!   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #Nightcap See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and somebody went there. It ain't no flim flamsy, flute duke going on. No schemes. No schemes at all, baby. How are you doing this? I'm doing good, brother. How are you, man? You know, I'm doing good, man.

Bless to see you another day. Love me. Love it. We had some great, great football, obviously. yes for sure we go start off with the packers i mean Thursday night game that's that's the only thing everybody watching that's the only thing we can talk about no question the packers the packers beat the commanders 27 to 18 dude green bay moves to 2 and o the packers have now beaten two nFC contenders in back-to-back weeks yeah the packers defense only gave up 230 yards of total fucking offense to they were strapping de boh they were strapping de bohs hey last listen last week

week. They only gave up 246 to Detroit. So these boys doing things. This is the first time the Packers have allowed fewer than 250 yards across the first two games of a season since 1995. God. Tucker, Tucker, my dude, Tucker Kraft, 124 yards, dude. It's the most receiving yards. It's the most receiving yards by Packer tied in since Richard Rogers in week 13 of 2015. at Detroit, the game dubbed the Miracle and Motown, Hell Mary game, brother. George Love, of course, George Love was doing this thing, dude.

He was actually 9 of 15 for 175 yards against them when they blitzed him, dude. With two tugs, like on throws of 10 yards or more against the blitz, Love was 6 or 8 for 144 yards and a tutty, a nice tutty, dude. We had some bad news, of course, at the end, a couple guys get injured, you know, through the process of the game.

Schaffner reported that the commanders believe veteran running back, Austin Echler, did in fact tear his Achilles last night. He's scheduled to undergo an MRI imaging for today. Also, there were Jaden, the receiver for the package, Jayden Reed, yeah, he suffered a fracture, a collar bone. So he's out. He's headed to IR. A thing, I want to ask you a question.

Where do you see the ceiling? Actually, two questions. Where do you see the ceiling for the Packers as you look at it right now? And what is your take on what's causing all these Achilles injuries, man? First of all, I'm going to do my take on these Packers because that game was a great game. It was amazing. Jordan Love was balling and it wasn't just Jordan Love

it was Josh Jacobs Josh Jacobs I forgot that they had one of the best running backs in the league also so having Jordan Love not having to depend on him as much having that great running game and at the end of the day

Jordan Love isn't a checkdown guy he's not just dinking and dunkin he's throwing bombs that one that he almost had to go with a rookie from Texas that was streaking the 4-2 guy he missed him by the fingertips

and then the next play they throw the one next play another bomb down the left-hand side line when he twinkle-toed it on the sideline. So it's not just like he's doing little catching runs. He's throwing balls down the field. The running game is doing amazing. And then it's not just

offense, Debo. It's defense. And it's not just Michael Parsons, who's balling. This is great moving. Dude, I've seen like three or four times where they had three people blocking this dude, man. He's creating other opportunities for other D-Lyman because

he's getting pressure. He's getting stunning on people. have eyes on him and it's giving people one ones. When you're one-on-one, people are winning because of him. And then also, my good man, I'm going to say, Kishon Nixon, the cornerback for the Green Bay Packers. Not only are they balling on the front level

getting after the quarterback in the back end, he had five price breakups, break up in the fourth, on fourth down. He's just being very, very, just being aware of the ball, getting after the rock. Love seeing that they're bawling on every single level. So Green Bay, their selling for me is,

very high. Their ceiling for Jordan Love is very high. I think they can go into playoffs. They can challenge any team. They can... Where's your ceiling?

You're saying Super Bowl? You're saying, where do you say? I think they can definitely go to the NFC championship. Like, I don't see why not. I think with them, I mean, because when we look at the NFC quarterbacks, we got Jalen Hertz,

we got Dak Prescott, we got Baker Mayfield, and then I'm thinking about Jordan Love. Like, end of the day, it would be Eagles and they would have to contest against Green Bay. I don't think that Green Bay is scared of the Eagles. I think that there's somebody they have to go against,

and I think they'll be the Eagles, and it's looking like Green Bay, and they're going to go against each other, and the defense is playing like this, and the offense with the running game, with Joy and Love being able to throw the ball this way, and with Jacobs being able to tote the Rock, I don't see how they couldn't beat the Eagles.

So, I mean, it looked great from my perspective. How do you think it looked, Deepo? I think it looked great, but, you know, I would go NFC, championship game. I would go that far. I wouldn't, I wouldn't jump ahead to Super Bowl. The only reason I wouldn't jump ahead to Super Bowl is because, you know, they just played Washington. Washington beat the Giants 21 to 6. So, you know, the Giants aren't really, you know, that team that you would actually look at to measure against. And of course, you know,

you got the Lions right now. I want to see if that was just, you know, if the Lions are still the Lions that they were last year. It's early. Is it right? Or is it, or is it a new Lions. And then you got the Lions, they're playing, you know, Chicago this week. But again, you know, Chicago came out hot in the first quarter. They look, they look great. And then they, they twinkled and twizzled out. So, you know, I don't think that gives me a good feel of, you know, where they really are. I think if I'm not confident that's go out there and just totally dominate Chicago, I think, you know, that would make me feel better about saying, you know, the ceiling is Super Bowl for Green Bay because I think that's what Green Bay would, you know,

due to Chicago. But, you know, right now I'm just going to say, I see the ceiling right now as NFC champions. I'm just saying the last time I've seen, you best is your last game. You best is your last performance. I'm going to say from what I last seen. And when I last seen, the Eagles play, I mean, they won the game. They got out of the stadium with a win. It didn't look too good, but, you know, they won the game.

When I see Green Bailey the stadium, I think that team played well. I think they played better. And I'm not saying that they're just a better team or whatever, but offensive-wise, defensive-wise, the way that they're moving the ball, the way that they're stopping the run, the way that they're making plays on the back end, I kind of just like that team.

If I was just looking and nobody had any different, if they had no names on their jerseys and you just looked at each team, play two games, I would say, oh, the Packers team, that team over there, team B is better than Team A. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, that's an easy, that's an easy, good.

But, you know, to my other part, what do you think is the cause of all these Achilles' tears that we're hearing about? I don't know, Debo, because it's non-contact. And you know, those are the worst. Like, when you just see somebody jumping in a day about to burst and just make that plant, and then it just goes and you just see it happen. I don't know particularly why people Achilles are going like that. I didn't have, I was fortunate I'd never have an Achilles tear, but I don't know why. they seem to go.

Do you think it's like more, they're not just the, like you said, the practice, we're not doing things full speed as much. And then all of a sudden, we're asking players to just, you got to go.

You got to go. You got to be game ready. You got to be able to start moving and not doing that in training camp or not doing that as much in the off season. Maybe they're not, their body's not ready to just respond. Okay.

Yeah, I think it's a combination of three things. If you look at the National Institute of Health, they did a study, I guess, between 1980 and 2001, it was an average of four Achilles ruptures per season. When you go 97 to 2000, it was an average of five per season. You go to 2009 to 16, it jumps up. It's 14 per season. And in 23, it was 22 Achilles steps. So for me, the thing I see is change the surface. You have a, you have a, you have a change the surface. It's a lot more teams playing on turf. That's, you know, I think that's,

that's an adding. Grass. Grass just gives. Grass gives. Yes, grass gives better. And then the second thing is, is training, dude. I don't, I don't think guys are training the same way or training as hard as they used to, especially with it being the changes in the collective bargaining agreement. But then even training, you know, when you're out there in the off season, you know, you need to do training that puts that kind of, you know, repetitive pressure like on your Achilles. So a thing that we do or my trainer likes to do is sled pushes, like heavy slab pushes. I'm putting, you know, I'm putting that pressure on that Achilles. It's getting, you know, people like, James, why are you trying to push? Why are you pushing 2,000 pounds?

Well, I'm not just pushing it just to show off. I'm pushing it to actually build that strength. So my body gets used to that. Also, sled pushes where you're actually with lighter weight and you're just doing it for explosion and speed. So now you're doing the same thing. It's just lighter and you're exploding and you're doing that repetitively so that your body can get used to that motion.

I think when guys get out there and, you know, they're going through the course of the game and it's just over time and then they haven't done it. It's just, you know, it may be too much. much. Another big thing I think is, it's prednisone, though. The dose packs, you know, that do you take for for like inflammation and all that? That right there messes up the healing process, though. Like, the biggest thing it does is it lowers, it lowers or stops inflammation altogether, which is, when you talk about the packs, like the packs that they're giving you? Yes, the, the oral packs that

they give you to help with say something's hurt so what it does is it it lowers or stops the inflammation which is you know it's part of your body's natural healing and your body it tells your body like hey you feel this pain don't go out there and do this it won't allow you you know your body won't allow you to work through certain pains so you know i think guys are are taking these to you know you take you a pack you feel better you feel like you know you feel like king con all your soreness is gone. But you're also telling your body that it's okay to go out here and put these major forces. Are these kind of like

T-shots you're talking about, but not like, no, no, it's like the... When we say T-Chi-C-C-D, I was listening to last episode we talked, and you said T-Shots, and people was like, what was the T-Shot. A lot of my was like, T-Hort-all. T-O. T-T.O. Tord-all. Now, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not talking about Tordal. I'm talking

about more of the oral prednisone, the what is it, almost, what they call it a steroid or inflammatory. I got to ask, very, very strong. I got to ask the question, Debo, because I'm not hip. I got to ask, like, because I know sometimes you be talking about stuff, and I'll be like, damn, Debo, you are very smart

and know about all of the technical stuff and about all of the different stuff. I don't know really that much technical I can explain. No, no, no, for sure, for sure. I just want to let you know sometimes you might got to dumb it down for me because I'll be looking like I don't know what's going on because I'm like, people's really talking you because you know what you're saying about the about the different shots and about the different pills and all the stuff but some stuff I'm just not as hip to so I just want you yeah so the prednisone you know you ever the dose packs you ever had the five four to six five four three two one or five four three two one yes okay that is preton zone anything that has zone song on it at the end is some type of anti-inflammatory and the biggest thing about those is it actually slows down

the like process of your tendons being able to repair because it stops like I guess it's some type of protein or something or whatever it is but basically it's what the body needs to repair the tendons so as you work out and you do all the other stuff you know you get micro tears micro tear is the same thing as when you're building muscle you're working out you're tearing down tissue so you take right so you take protein to help recover and repair that what you would you feel a sortness, you know what I'm saying? So you take protein to help build, recover, and repair. The big process of what happens when you take prednisone is like the tendons. Like, it actually, like, doesn't allow your tendon fibers to heal properly to do what they need to do

to repair. So, like, going, like, same thing, like said, it's like taking protein, you know, going into the process of taking protein, when your body can't heal, then you're left with not being able to really do nothing. It'll make your attendance, you know, brittle. Like, you know, and it just, you don't need to use that. You don't need to use it if you're trying to work through something,

especially like inflammation that's like trying to tell your body not to go. I don't say you, it's things that you do need to take it for 100%. but I don't I think that maybe some guys use it when they don't actually need it just because it's going to make you feel better you know what I'm saying you know your body's sore you're banged up you're like you know what it's a quick fix but it's not a long term it's not going to help you in a long term no okay no no not even not even close brother yeah so that's that's my thought process on it field turf hard or grabbing, putting more pressure on it, training, and, you know, the use of these anti-inflammatories. I think one, I think I can definitely see with, now what you're saying with the anti-inflammatories, definitely understand what you're saying with the training, because I don't think people is putting that immediate pressure on it. And with the fields, too, I'm always been a grass fan.

Grass overture anytime. I do. I am grass all day. I ain't got to take no turf firms. I ain't got to do none of it. I ain't got to do none. I don't worry about just cleat getting caught up in it. It's just, it's too grippy.

You know what I'm saying? Like, fresh, man, like taking care of grass fields, freshly painted, and nothing like going on playing on the clean, freshly sodded, not just the coming up like bad grass, but just, you know, you know what I'm talking about Debo, that good grass people out there. Oh, yeah, I know you're sticking. You're like, oh, yeah, this, today's about to be a good day. I'd rather, I'd rather slip on bad grass than catch my cleat wrong on turf

and lose a ACL, MCL, PCL. whatever, something L, you know. It's going to be an L. It's going to be a L. Right, right. Right. Yeah, you are definitely taking the L. Speaking of taking the L, man,

I guess nearly a year after an old dude over there, what's his name, Grant D.Pitt, Del Pitt. He delivered a good shot, I guess, to Henry. And he was asked, he was asked by the media. He said, how hard is it to tackle Derry Henry? He said, not hard at all. Henry responded to him later today saying he was aware of the comment,

and he had a quote. He said, we'll see on Sunday. Why is there so much back and forth on this game? So, you know, they don't like each other. You know, ravens don't like the Browns. Browns don't like the Ravens. And I think personally with Delpit and Henry, he caught him. You know what I'm saying?

And it's just, you know how it's, you know how it is. And he's asking him how hard it's to tackle. And I'm going to tell you this. Derek Henry is extremely hard to tackle. If you run up on him high, looking crazy, you're going to get stiff-armed. So when my thing, if you go down low on his legs, try to wrap him up, you might get jumped over. But I could understand what Delper is saying. If he catch Derek Henry running high, he feels like he can hit him hard because he's done.

He did. He did. Listen, he didn't say nothing about catching Derek Henry running high, brother. he said that he was not hard to do that he's he's he's he's just yeah he's he's talking you know that's not he I don't know if he means it I think yeah I was trying to stand I'm standing you don't say things you don't mean that you you never give him a bulletin board material no he just gave him bulletin board material he did he did and he's standing on it I mean I don't know I think the devil he just feels some type of way so I hopefully goes out there you got you

got to stand on what you say he said he said it Derek Henry day he said he going to see him on Sunday. So there's only, he said he's going to see him on Sunday. So if he run in there and shoot at Derek's knees, is he, is he standing on business? He said he's not hard to go to tackle. Tackle means the man goes down to the ground. That's what people get confused. Oh, yeah, you messed them up or he's not hard to tackle. I mean, he said he's not hard to tackle. So if he goes down, it goes down to Derek Henry's legs and takes him down, how do you look at it? You're saying it don't matter. Just get to tackle.

Because if you run up there, because this is what I'm saying. If you run up there high, he can stiff arm you, right in your face, or he might, he's going to dip on you. But if you don't give him the chance and go lower, then you might have a better, you're going to have a better chance to tackle him, in my opinion. From my experience, I'm going low. I mean, I think it's just, that's just crazy, totally disrespectful to say it's not hard to tackle. I know, it is.

It is. He was being disrespectful saying that. He was trying to get over total. Like, how big is he, dude? Like, Derek Henry was, six, three, two, 55? Like, come on, bro. And he coming down, like. Yes, he is hard to tackle, in my opinion.

But you got, man, Delper said he wasn't. He feels some type of way. He feels like he's not hard to tackle. I'm not going to tackle. Maybe he's not hard to tackle for him. It's just y'all that's that he hard to tackle. He's saying that it ain't. Maybe he's shooting shots at, maybe he's shooting shots at people.

Maybe, you know. You know what? You know what? You know what? You know what? You know what? We're going to watch the game. But that's what happens.

When you do say stuff like this, now you give everybody an opportunity to analyze the spotlight. Now we're going to watch you. We're going to look and see the opportunities. What's your tackling looking like? How easy is everybody to tackle. You know what I'm saying? Because if Derek Henry's so easy to tackle,

you know what I'm saying? That's just why I don't like putting underneeded pressure on yourself. You're already out there. You're already in the spotlight. You're going to have to be out there in a situation regardless. You're putting a spotlight on you to be watched by now. Everyone analyzing, oh, you're saying it's easy to tackle, Henry? Or let me watch this.

Let's see how easy it is for you. You know what I'm saying? Like when you don't need to do that. So that's the only thing I'm saying. I'm like, Delper, you did put that unneeded pressure on yourself. You're right. When you're speaking, you don't want to give Bulletin more material. You can say that to your teammates.

But saying that out to the media is basically saying like, man, it is what it is. I'm out here. You're wilding. No, that's less than saying. That's way more than saying it is. It is what it is. It is what it is. you know it's it's uh it's not easy that that would be it is what it is it's not hard at all

like it's not hard well how hard what was the answer exactly he said how hard is it tackle with derrick camry he said not hard not hard he's wild yeah he's wild yeah he was a hard tackle to make it's Derek camry he's about to be the leading rusher of all in the NFL one of the leaden rushers ever to do it yeah yeah Listen, man, maybe they just... We're going to be watching. We're going to be watching. Playing them Saturday.

For sure. I think I might pull up. For sure. I think I might pull up. You're going to pull up. Right at the street. I ain't going to even lie. I'm pulling up.

I'm pulling up. I'm pulling up to the Steelers game already, ready. I'm going to be there. It's right up the street. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Okay. Let's get over here to Detroit. So the one thing Ben Johnson became known for as office coordinator in Detroit was

trick plays. But Dan Campbell said trick plays are the least of his concerns. He's getting ready for Johnson's offense. You know what? You can't put Johnson's his Johnson. It's a lot of Johnson.

They can't say, I might have to change that name. You know what I said? He said, I don't really care about trick plays. Just handled the meat and potatoes of the offense. a defense what they think you're going to hang a defense what they think

you're going to hang their hat on let's stop that first let's worry about that let's make sure we're all on point and we handle that stuff do you think the bears got a shot at beating the lines I think everybody has a shot

because any given Sunday is early in the season but I'm not predicting it I'm going I think the lines are going to get things going. I think when Dan Campbell is saying this stuff, too, with all the trick plays and stuff, if you have good eyes, if you have good discipline,

you know what I'm saying? It's going to work itself out. If you start working and wondering about the random plays that they're going to run, that's where you start chasing ghosts. So long as you got eye discipline, long as you have your defensive script ready to go, I think what he's saying is working on the meat and potatoes,

knowing exactly what their bases are, what their main things are going to do on third down in the red zone. Trick plays, as long as we have our eyes right, we'll work that out. So I think I don't, I think they have a shot because it's football and it's the NFL and they're all professionals. But I don't think that the Bears are going to be able to beat the lines. I think the Lions are going to get their stuff going, going to get the running game back going, get the defense going, and really get back to being the Lions. Because it's early on in the season.

I think that they, I believe in them way more than I believe in the Bears. I really want to know who asked the question about trick plays. Like, who cares about a trick play? If I'm dog walking on the trick play and go help him no way. I'm 100% with him. Like, you worry about the meat and potatoes. Trick plays, you don't worry about the trick plays.

Yes, you can say you saw something on camera or tape or whatever it may be and be aware of it. But me actually working on it, unless it's something that they're doing that is not normal. You know, you're a team that runs a, you know, at least 10, 15 plays a wildcat or you give some type of, you know,

off formation that you don't normally see and y'all y'all do it at you know it's a part of your offense you know through the course of games then yes but a trick play we're going to we're going to work on a trick play that may or may not come out and when it come down to it you actually got to be in a position to had that trick play work so if the if the bearers play like they did last week it's ain't no amount of trick play is going to be able to help I don't, I don't, I don't get, I ain't go a lot. I don't get a bear's a shot. That's just, you know, that's just where I saw.

I don't blame you, and especially with the same way with their coach, even answering that question is what a good coach is supposed to say, in my opinion. Like, no, we're going to do the right things. I discipline. That's going to handle, basically what they're saying, that's going to handle the trick plays. Us chasing ghosts is not going to make us better football team. So I'm with Campbell. I'm with the lions. I think they're going to beat the bears.

I think Caleb got talent, but it's just not. It's not. It's the organization. It's the ship. They got to get the ship right over there. I mean, you could, well, what happened to the ship in the first quarter? The ship was going right. The second quarter, everything started going down. The ship is a long game. You know what I'm saying? You know what it is, Debo. It's ebbs and flows. You got to be able to take punches, make punches, be able to, like, it's momentum shifts. You know what I'm saying? They ain't never get out of the state. You just get one shift and then you just go the rest of the way. be able to, you know what I'm saying, settle the shit.

You know what I'm saying? Be able to always be even killed. You know what I'm saying? Don't get too high, don't get too low. So I just don't think that they have it. I mean, you just got to continue to, I need more consistency in the play. I don't care about the high and low. The consistency of play will take care of, you know, all of that versus, you know,

getting high and low. If I'm a consistent consistently playing well, I mean, I'm not going to have to worry about the world. No, no, for sure. I was saying, you say the first. You say the first quarter, they were consistently playing good there, and then the second quarter of consistency bad, third quarter consistently bad, fourth quarter consistently bad.

If you're just going to give me a lease, give me a little, you know what I'm saying, something, a little consistent. They gave you a little glimpse, so you still holding on to him for a little bit of a host because I laid that first quarter to you. It's still early, man. It's still early. At least they got to get mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. We're not even, you know what I'm saying?

Like, no, it's way too early. just start hanging it up. Okay, I got you. I got you. Let's go over here. I guess C.D. Lamb said he couldn't sleep much over the weekend. The drops against the Eagles bothering it. He said, I would rather nobody else but myself be in those situations.

I came up short once. We'll see the rest. He said, trust me, I've thought about it. I've dwelled on it. I've done everything that you could possibly. possibly imagine about this game. For those that feel like they feel worse about the game than me, you're absolutely wrong.

See, D. You said, yes, man, I'm going to tell you something right now. That's real talk. All these fans that be like, oh, my God, I just feel so, I'm distraught, I'm missing that. These guys don't even care. It's not, no, no, believe me, I am so, dude, listen, I am so happy. happy, I do not have the ups and downs of winning and losing and being at work. Like, I felt like I was on a roller coaster at Cedar Point, dude.

Like, the highs is high and the lows is low. Dude, when you lose a game, dude, on Sunday, dude, it mess up everything until, yes. It mess up everything until you get to that Wednesday when you start getting ready for the next point. dude my whole my whole three four my whole three days dude till we start i'm i'm i'm so any because anything is always so much better to to figure out what you did wrong or whatever on a win than a loss once you lost everything feels like that's the reason why we lost this play could have i ought to did that better that one mistackle i can't wait soon we watch the film i know exactly what play i'm looking forward to the play i already got the script you know what it is they show you

Oh, man, I missed that tackle. I'm going to play 13. Wait till we get the 13. Everybody looking, we're in the meeting. You can't say, you know you're wrong. And that's the part, too. When you want to be great, like CD, he feels the worst because now he's in that meeting. He knows he's the man.

He wants the ball in that situation. He knows he can make that catch. He wants to be the only one on the, on the Cowboys to make that catch. And when he doesn't, he feels like shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, in his part of heart. He wants that. You know what I'm saying?

That's why I love him being able to say it because he means it because I would feel the same way and I know you feel the same way losing that game every single play that whole week until Wednesday when you start the next week of practice preparation for the next team

you feel like I let everybody down everybody's walking around I let my boys down I can't wait till next week when we win and then the plays that I've messed up on you know what I'm saying

that's my bad that's me I got to do better but we still won the game everybody's chilling this wasn't the reason why we lost now everybody's still walking around the facility hype

is good, everybody high-fiving. You lose, that ain't nothing funny? The fuck that you're smiling about. You know what I'm saying? Hey, I ain't going to, listen, I ain't going to lie to you, though. I ain't going to lie to you. Hey, when I took a loss and it was payday, I felt a little better.

I ain't going to lie to you, but, you know. Debo, that's real, that's real talk. That's real talk. It makes you feel bad. That makes you feel bad. It makes you feel bad. Taking a loss and it ain't payday, man. Man, I'm feeling.

Filling trashy right there, buddy. You know what's so crazy, dude? I still go over like losses, like Super Bowl. That's what it is. Super Bowl. I'm like, you know what? I could have did this here. I know it wasn't my responsibility,

but I was there. I could have did it. Damn, I missed that there. If I was paying attention, I could have probably picked that there. Or I could have punched the ball out here, dude. Yes, right. Anything.

When I was, when we played, Green Bay and we ended up losing the Green Bay in the Super Bowl. Dude, I'm in my room and it's just running through my head. Like, I can't stop it. I can't stop it. And you know how they had the, you know, like the after party, all that, you know. Oh, you did. And we in a, you know, dudes and we in a hallway, man, we were just looking at each other like mules chewing glue, man. And everybody's like, man, I could have did this. Maybe if I had did this. Oh, man. man, I missed that. Oh, if I did this, like, just going through it, dude.

And finally, dude, we were just like, yo, what we go do, man? We're going to sit here and cry sober. We're going to cry drunk, man. Went on die. Yo, I tell you, we're so glad they had no cameras, dude. Well, it's some pictures out there. Just say we was on stage, like a little waiting concert. or no, you know, no shirt.

Like, it was, yeah, yeah, you know, y'all had to get it out, man. Y'all had to get it out, man. Making it too small. I ain't go live, right. I see, I see, I see, I see, I see cats cry, man. I'm like, yeah, I ain't about to let them see them tears on camera. Oh, I would definitely, that has definitely been me. Listen, I got, I got, I got back to the hotel, jumped in the shower,

and I was like, I let the tears run down. Can't nobody see me crying. Man, well, I would have been in there. I would have been telling her. Oh, man, you know what I love. man you know what i'm saying but next year we got this though right and then that's the thing you know you got guys that are like yo this might be my last year my last time here on this team you know what i'm saying like you know contract up you don't know if you go like every team is a new team

it's a different team that that comes up you know that's the crazy part about the lead rather you keep yes it's literally rather you keep your core or not it's it's changed it's a whole the special that, you know, that stuff matters. As soon as that OTA start and then the draft and then you had training camp, it's a bunch of just new dudes. You know, normally it's the core couple of the guys that you had there that started with you, maybe some dudes on contracts and stuff. But every year, it's a whole lot of new dudes that come in from OTAs to training camps

to, like, just building a whole different squad. So once it ends, once that ends and you like this, I don't know if I'm going to see these dudes, you know what I'm saying, again. You know what I'm saying? Like, you never plan on not seeing them. You know what I'm saying? You always like, man, we work in the next day. You know what I'm saying?

We got something to do. We're grinding. We got practice. We got stuff going on. The season not going to end. We're going to win the Super Bowl. Until next thing you know, either you can't win the Super Bowl. You didn't make it.

You lost in a playoff game. Shit just happens fast. And then next to you know, you're like, hold up. This shit can be, you know what I'm saying? It's over. You know what I'm saying? I mean, where are everybody going? Yeah, baby.

Speaking of Super Bow's, we got a Super Bowl rematch coming up. Patrick Gnholm was asked how many times did he watch the Super Bowl of them losing 40 to 22? He said, how much has he watched the Super Bowl on his own in the weeks after? He said, I mean, yeah, I mean, I've watched the game after, so you have to learn from it. I mean, it sucks. You lose the game. but in order to progress to get better the next time you have to watch and learn from it. And so I don't know the exact amount of times, but you watch it and then you watch it in the

offseason with the team and with the coaches, and then you watch it obviously this week as well. So, I mean, it sounds like he doesn't watch this game way more times than he wants to say that he doesn't watch. Man, right there, that's three times. He said, but you watch it. and then you watch it in the offseason with the team and the coaches and then obviously you watch it this week for training.

So that's three good times that he watched the joint, you know what I'm saying? And as something, like when you play against the Eagles, you watch games, and I don't know Patchman Holmes is a G. He's a legend, he's a goat.

That just sucks. It sucks watching you not play to the top of your level and then at the top of the world playing in the Super Bowl. You know what I'm saying? So obviously it's not a game that you want to watch,

but when you're watching film and you're a professional like Patrick Mahomes is, he watches it when he has to. I watch it with my coaches. I watch it on all season, and I watch it this week. You know what I'm saying? You really want to know.

It's not a game. I admire watching, but I have to study tape and I'm going to get better from it. I love his take on it, but he don't want to watch the game. He didn't play well, but you're going to learn stuff from it. And I think that, you know,

you can learn what the Philly was doing to you to make the game look, get that bad, get that ugly. So I think it's not just him, it's his line, it's their blitz, is just understanding what Philly did to make them look that bad. So I respect Pat. I love Pat. And I'm saying, yeah, I watched it with the coaches.

I watched this on the off season. I watched it. He watched it. He watched it three times, man. No, no, no. He said he watched it in the off season. He didn't say I watched it one time in the off season. He said, I watched it in the off season.

Like, he watched it. He kept watching it. He kept watching it. I ain't even lied to you, bro. I don't. Let me think about it. I don't really think I've watched a whole Super Bowl that I lost. I had the misfortune of being in two of them that I lost,

one with distillers and one with the Patriots. And, dude, honestly, I can't say that I watched the whole band. I know what I did wrong. I know. Dude, I can. Yeah. I don't, I don't think I've ever, like, watched in hole. I'm going to ask you this.

Do you think Patrick is saying he watched the whole game or he watched like the, like the clips, you know what I'm saying, like on your iPad? Do you know what I'm saying? He's saying he's watched with coaches. He's what, like, I haven't, like, I haven't watched the whole defense or anything. Like, I haven't watched a hole in nothing. If I catch it, it's on, like, TV or something. And, like, I have not sat down and watched that whole tape of any Super Bowl loss.

I ain't even allowed. Like, for me, like, I can't do nothing to get better next week. So, and the chances of seeing them again at the same place are slim to none. So I'll worry about that when that time comes and gets closer. But I'm like, I haven't really watched the full. Well, I think you might be different for him because he's playing him again. You know what I'm saying?

He's playing him again. They're playing this week. You know what I'm saying? So it could. Well, yeah, I can see that because, yeah, after you get hit like that, we're trying to figure out what went wrong. So you got to check and see what went wrong.

You got to if you really want, you know what I'm saying? Check on. Bump your feelings. We try to get better. You know what I'm saying? End of the day. And the last time we played them was in the Super Bowl where they smacked us.

So then you would probably watch it. if you was enlisted. Yeah, that's a, that's not just a smack. That's like a, that was a, I couldn't believe it. I was a problem. Yeah, no, for sure. That was ugly. Speaking of getting whipped on, I mean, after the coach got, got in a, I can't say that.

Yeah, I can't. After the coach got in the, you know, in the Dolphins' ass, you know, they had a player's only meeting. Lineback of Jordan Brooks, one of Miami's six captains. said losing the way we did week one can be discouraging outside noise people talking fans talking family talking whatever everybody talking but just kind of making sure that everybody's together when you lose like that it's easy for people to get discouraged and start looking questioning maybe yourself and others so just making sure that we all lock in and maybe make sure that the belief is still there.

You lose belief. You don't have nothing. So making sure that everybody is still on the same page can be next and come back next week stronger. Have you had any players-only meetings like this, bro? I have. I have for sure. Have you?

You've never had players-only meetings? Okay. Like this? No. Dude, I ain't going to a lot. not like if it's a dude no haven't i have not had a players only meeting like that it's for me for you to even have to have a players only meeting like that after one week tells me that what you're afraid of is already happening and you're trying to stop it from

you know, spreading out to other people in the locker room that may not be feeling the same way. Once it gets to the players only meeting, you already lost. So, like, that's kind of where I was like, that's just where you... Oh, you was in Cleveland. I keep forgetting you.

I forgot how... Yeah, you were... He was real good. That's what we're not going to do. We're not going to be here for the slander of the land. You don't want slander to land. Slander means it's not true. I say you were real good.

You go going to... the heart, what's you're talking about? It's just that your team, y'all, y'all didn't. It's okay. It's not really okay. But I understand, that's why I'd never had one of those type of me.

So let me go ahead and tell you how many some of times. So long story short, if the, it's, you know, there's, oh, it was a lot of coaching staff change. We had a different coach kind of every year. We were there, a different head coach, different offensive coordinator. So it was a kind of different,

sometimes different voice. You know what I'm saying? So sometimes when you had vets that were around like me, Joe T, when we had situations where you were just, people started kind of going for their selves, like kind of, at the end of the day, we wanted to let them know the eye and the sky don't lie. What you don't want to do is not perform. The thing is, your job is on the line. Even if you're not going to play for the Browns, you're going to play for somebody else. Like, your tape is your resume. It gets down to the gritty once you start being mathematically

eliminated. Your team cannot make the playoffs. When you have to start telling dudes like, man, bump all that. Like, I'm doing, you see the way I'm, you see the way I'm, I'm leading. I'm out here because at the end of the day, the honest guy don't lie. If we're losing games, we got to be able to come in here and watch the tape and it not be my fault. That's what it's not going to be. You know what I'm saying? So having to have these conversations with other grown men in situations where coaches are trying to figure out if they're going to get fired.

And I'm just like, I'm just trying to ball. I'm here to hoop. And that's really kind of all that matter. So that's when you're saying. You're not going to be in a winning spot with a team only meeting, I feel I think Yeah, yeah So what you're saying

It's like When it came down to it The personalities of the players That y'all would pick And led to them Being a little Mentally weak

If not a lot Mentally weak And they just didn't have The internal Fortitude To push through So y'all had to Do a player's only meeting

To try and Ra Ra R' him to get them to get them going that's kind of what i'm here it's yeah what i mean it's it's not exactly that but yeah it's okay i mean some you i don't know deep but have you ever been in a i've been in i've never been in i've never been in that situation you know i'm i'm in a pittsburg it's definitely some situations where we've been into that have been kind of off where you know you just got it really end of the day it is a business but the eye and I don't lie.

Your resume is what you put on tape. So when you want to be a professional, and the day you go 0 and 16. I mean, I'm in 1 and 15. Those are not stable organizations. Coaches know that they're about to get fired. People are walking into the spot, not knowing if their job's, like, secure or not.

So that's where you, in the joint, I know I'm here, I'm ball, I'm doing what I got to do, and it's not, the problems are over your head. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's why I look at Chicago. sometimes sometimes your job is to do what you do you come in there to do your 11th you know what I'm saying if you're a quarterback you'd be a best quarterback you can do you come in there you train on time and you think that your coaches and the organization are competent enough to put you in

the position to win there's not things that you need to be handling that you start handling when you're in a position where the other people aren't doing it you know what I'm saying so that's just kind of where I don't I that's that that was my particular situation and when I'm looking at from the dolphins I'm not in that locker room but when I'm hearing like these dudes looking like, man, I don't want y'all, just people just out of there like, I don't care about it. At the end of the day, you're just trying to, the situation may not be the best, but what you need to do is come out here. You have to perform.

Your job is in a film. I understand what you're saying. Like the players only, I'm with you on that as far as a player's only meeting. I think, I think you've lost it. Now we got a players only meeting. That means that the leadership that is in place who would be, you know, your coaches, your head coach, your coordinators, y'all are feeling like they aren't either given what is going to be needed to move forward and produce a different outcome.

Yeah, I don't think the Players Only Meeting does anything. I think anybody that had a Players Only Meeting, they probably lost their coach in a year or two. I don't know. How many coaches did y'all after a Players Only Meeting lose? I mean, we probably, I haven't been a part of too many Players Only Meeting. it's probably about two, probably about two or maybe three, and each one of the coaches definitely was fine. Yeah, I don't think a player's only meeting.

I think it could help, but if I got to, like you're a grown man in a professional sport, this is your livelihood. It should be nothing that's going to, like, mentally take you out of it. Like, yeah, physically, you could get hurt all the other stuff, but, like, you got to go out there. You can see how.

Just how people are not rocking with playing time. You can see how I do this as a professional. It could be like, I'm not rocking with it. We lose and y'all tripping. You know what I'm saying? I'm not rocking with it. You know what I'm saying? Like, that is people do that.

You know what I'm saying? Like, they're not locking their playing time. Yeah, but a player's only meeting would not be something that a player that is disgruntled about his playing time. That wouldn't be a player's own. I mean, that would be a head coach thing. You see what I'm saying? Like you're, when you do a player's only meeting, you're saying that the majority of my team is out here talking about we are down bad and this is getting ugly. What just happened behind me?

Did my light go out? Oh, I ain't need people. I think it did. Anyway, go ahead. No, but you're not used to you look straight. No, I think my light just went out. Somebody, somebody tell me my light went out. I think my light went out.

And my light, it had to. Yeah, my light went out. That's what it was. Yeah, my light went out. Oh, my goodness, dude. This is out of control, man. I'm going to have to fix that before, uh, before things get, uh, get too dark here. Do it look good still, Joe?

You still look good. He's still solid, D'Bowl. He's still solid. Yeah. I'm solid. That's all I need to make sure, man. I want to make sure I was solid of me. Yeah. Yeah.

This is what happens when you, when you, when you're on live podcast. I'm not a fan of the players-only meetings. I don't feel like you need, like that's when you're not in a good spot. Like, like you said, if you haven't been a part of one, that's good. That's a good thing. Okay, well, if you had to do something to resourge this team, what would you do? What would you be your first step in trying to get the Dolphins back on track? First, it starts with Tua.

I don't, I don't, I'm not, I'm not the biggest. to a fan. I'm not the biggest to a fan. I don't know. He's never been my favorite quarterback. I don't know if they can build around him. And then with Tyree Kill, too, they just not getting along. I think he needs to, he might have to keep, they might got to do something with him too. I'm just, Miami. The coach, we had, their coach, he was the coach. He was the wide receiver coach for me when we were in Cleveland. Great, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant mind. I think he might be one of the best, maybe maybe just put him in an offensive coordinator role. I don't know if he's ready for the head coaching spot.

I mean, he was doing a great job, but I just think just letting him just do one thing and let somebody else maybe come and be a head coach. I think they made it a new voice. That's just my thought. What do you think about it? Yeah, that's where I ain't going to lie. You know, that's where I would go with it. I would, I mean, for this year, I think you just roll out with what you got going.

and trying finagle it yeah some way, shape, or form but I think it's time just to... It's a lot of noise going on over there, man.

It's a lot of... That's what I'm saying. It's so much, it's not one thing that I could do that would just make it happen. Too many moving parts right now going on over there. And then,

yeah, you can't... Well, you could. get rid of Tariq, but then what you got? Now it's about to get real bad. Look, rebuild. Get as much as you possibly can. You said, go on ahead. Go on ahead, man. Go on ahead.

Not like I'm saying in the bad way, Tyree Kill is great. That's where they can be able to get in some good stuff for him. But he's not happy. What do you think they could get for him, though? What would you give for Tyree? What would I give for Tyree? Yeah.

Two first ones. round picks. Ooh, yep. Because I know I got him, but I got him, yeah, I get two first round picks. He's going to be an instance, he's going to instantly be a, he's instantly going to be still cheated, Tyree Kiel. It's not his fault. You see him, you see him, you see him being able to make it back to Kansas City?

I don't know about their relationship, man. I'd like him to come to Pittsburgh. That'd be crazy. I heard, I heard rumbles that they offered him some. Speaking of Pittsburgh, buddy, and Rogers could surpass Brett Farr for career touchdowns on Sunday. I will be at that game, dude. I will be at that game.

Rogers has thrown for a 507 regular season touchdown passes. Far of retired with 508. He could pass him in that game. All he got to do is throw two of them tuttees, man. If Rogers throws two touchdowns on Sunday against the Seahawks, he'll tie far for the fourth one touchdown sorry he'll tie far for the fourth most in NFL history if he throw two he'll go take him over obviously so rogers actually oh he got a long way to go before he gets to brady ready got six hundred nine regular yes yes second is breeze with

571, followed by Peyton, with 539. I guess Rogers has a chance to pass Peyton, though. We're seeing. This 49 is crazy work. Out of control. Oh, dude.

Out of... Uncle Tom was launching them joints. Do. I tell you what, man. I wanted to, like I said before, I wanted to hate that dude when I went there, man. Just because just playing against him, never met him, never knew of his personal.

Nothing, you know what I'm saying? And I get there, as soon as I get there, you know, like, he the first person pop up. Hey, man, how you doing? I'm time, Brady. I'm like, man, I know he'll fuck you. You know what I'm coming up with me, like, talking like, you know what I'm saying? Introducing yourself. You know what I'm saying?

So I'm sitting back. I'm like, yeah, let me watch him, man. I know he's fake. You ain't trust him. You know what I'm like, I know. Let me sit back and watch this. I know he's fake as hell. He's trying to set me up.

I sit back, man. I'm watching me. Same thing, dude, you know, practice squad dude come in, you know, do-da-da-da, just watching him all week, seeing him move around, dude, and I'm sitting there and he's on the table like next to me, and I'm like, yo, I got a confession to make, man. I ain't going to lie, man. When I came here, man, I wanted to hate you. I said, but you're a good dude, man.

I see why everybody liked, man. Yes. Genuinely good, man. And he mess with everybody, man. I'm happy to hear that. Yeah. Yeah. But I met Andrew.

Do you think, obviously, do you think you're going to, you think you're going to, you think you're going to, not break the record, but pass Brad Fawf? Oh, yeah, dude, he ain't that far away. He needed one the time and two to pass him. Yeah, he go, he go get, he go get Fav no matter what. That's going to happen. The one that, I think is, yes, that, that's going to be very, that's, that's going to be, I think that's going to be, I think that's going to be a little questionable. He still He's going to have to play more

If he do that Or you think he going to He threw, hey, listen He threw four last week On average Of four games Average and four a game Is crazy work

Listen, that was just, you know, That was an average That's what the average is Right now, right? For a game So I'm going as That's six That's 68 touchdowns

That's 68. Touchdowns, B'Bow. Through, listen, through 17 games. That's 68 touchdowns. What are we talking about? It's possible. It is possible. He averaged in four right now today.

Right. As of today, as of today, he's on, he's on target for 68. He's on pace. He's on pace. He's on pace. And if he gets 68, 68 touchdown. You heard it live here. If he gets 68, he passes Drew Brees, too.

Aaron's on pace. If he gets 68, he. Pastor Drew Brees and Peyton Manning. Yes. That's, I mean, that's where it's, as of pace right now. As a pace, make sure you say as a pace right now, because that's what he's off. As of pace right now, my man, Aaron Rogers is on for 68 touchdowns. If he averaged 3D, but he had 51.

Hey, bro. Averaging, I ain't going to lie to. Average 3 is hard, too. That's what I'm saying. You said four. I know. I know. I know.

I've ever heard. You had to, you tried to drop it down like it was realistic. I'm just up here talking hell of boatload shit. Okay, okay. Okay. I'm trying. I'm just,

I'm a numbers guy. I just got to see what it's looked like. Speaking of numbers, the number one overall pick. Cam Ward's debut didn't look great. They, but they failed, whoa.

But they failed to tell the whole stories. Worst completion rates was affected by mistakes from his head coach, plus several drops from his receivers. The quarterback, however, hasn't lost confidence in his past catchers. He says, I'm never going to go, I'm never going to get on these guys for dropping the ball. I'm going to throw a pick at some point in the season, so bad plays are going to happen. The biggest thing is when we get back to the huddle, we have to always have a a next play mentality.

I'm not too worried about that. These boys are going to play. These boys are going to catch the ball. What do you are? I like the young quarterback believing in his guys. I saw him out there when I watched the game. And I think he has a great presence. And like he said, too, they were dropping some good passes that he was throwing to them in the fourth quarter, like trying to lead them back.

So I just love the way he still believes in him. He knows he's a young quarterback. He's going to have. he's going to have bad times when he needs them to believe in him, be like, pick him up. So same time, just not putting his teammates, like, not being mean to his teammates or, like, throwing them under the bus. I think that's a sign of a good quarterback that's, like, building confidence in those guys. So they want to do, they want to do better for them.

And the same time, like we said earlier, they feel terrible. They want to make those plays. So not jumping on them, adding to it. When you know these dudes care, they feel bad. Your quarterback is standing up for you. So I think in the future, they're going to try to. work a little harder, obviously, and hopefully they catch those passes. But this is a good sign of him just being a good leader.

Yeah, yeah. I 100% agree with you on that, especially, you know, him saying that, you know, it's going to come a point in time where, you know, he's not going to, he's not going to be doing as well. And, you know, he's hoping he's going to get the same, you know, treating that, you know, you treat somebody how you want to be treated. You know, he's going to be there. You support him.

He's hoping they'll do the same thing for him. great, great, great, great person or mentality to have as a quarterback, especially when you're, you know, you're the QB and you're the leader of that. But that's ain't, um, yeah, it's, it can, uh, it can't get, uh, any, any better than that. But before we get to the ticket winners, we got some super chats, Joe. Lisa Lynch donated 20 instead. Go ahead, Lisa Lynch. Shout out Lisa Lynch.

Lisa Lynch Cook. She said, love you too. God bless you. God bless you too, Lisa Lynch. God is good. Yes, he is. My good, man, brother, Debo. God is good.

All the time. Okay, and all the time, God, good. There we go. What you thought? I grew up in the church, Debo. Let's go. Okay, so listen. Drumroll.

If I drum this thing, this thing might fall. The moment we've all been waiting for our two ticket winners. Joe! Winner, number one. Full name? No, we're going to go with Instagram. We're going to go with all of it. James.

James? Big Dingman Instagram Still City underscore JD You are the first winner of two tickets to the stillers season opener

as we go in there and pound the life out of the Seattle Seahawks DK go come out of there with probably a buck 75 three tugs and Roger go through another one to somebody else dig on my average of four touchdowns.

All right. So. Whoa. Here we go. Winner number two. Olivia Rainey. Instagram. Short 185.

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