Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - REACTION to TNF: Chargers beat Vikings, Rodgers RETIRING in GB?! NBA Gambling SCANDAL

Episode Date: October 24, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Thursday Night Football where Justin Herbert and the Los Angeles Chargers defeated Carson Wentz and the Minnesota Vikings. Later,... they react to Pittsburgh Steelers QB Aaron Rodgers comments on retirement, the latest updates in the FBI's arrest of NBA Hall of Famer Chauncy Billups, Miami Heat guard Terry Rozier in connection to the NBA gambling scandal, and much more! Timeline:00:00 - Intro4:00 - Chargers beat Vikings20:25 - Steelers vs Packers27:30 - Browns vs Pats Preview33:50 - Ravens in Shambles38:40 - Brandon Graham Un-Retires42:55 - Goodell Says AI to help Refs47:00 - NBA Gambling Scandal 54:40 - Jared Shaw faces death penalty for edible in Indonesia (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #Nightcap See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:48 and I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe? I'm doing good, Debo. always good to have you on set with me, brother, having a good show. How are you doing?
Starting point is 00:01:03 I'm doing real good, man. We got a nice surprise for the people, man. So what we go do now, since this is a Sunday night game, you know, we're going to, for the, for the Steelers, of course. We're saying we. Yes. When we use we, we're talking about the Steelers. When we use you, we're talking about, or him, you know,
Starting point is 00:01:24 we're talking about, we're talking about the Brown. Okay, though. I appreciate it. We're going to be giving away. At the end of the show, all right, we're going to give away two sets or two tickets for Sunday night's game. Okay, okay, okay, okay. You got to follow myself, Joe, like and subscribe to Debo and Joe, and that's all you need to do. Come on, one.
Starting point is 00:01:46 Like the Debo and Joe so alone, and that's it. And we just go pick. Go word, Debo. Whatever do it. Whoever do it. Good word, Debo. I like that. That's what we go do.
Starting point is 00:01:56 I like that, Devo. Giving, giving spirit. I love that. I love that. Yeah, yeah, got to give a little something back, man. Got to, you know. Show the appreciation. The Vikings didn't give nothing back.
Starting point is 00:02:06 It was 37 to 10, so we're going to hop right into that. Got to. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I thought it was going to be some trouble. You know, I ain't going to lie to you from the first play when he threw that little swing pass behind the running back. You know, he's been kind of the issue, you know, when it come down to it. And then, you know, the third down, he threw the rock.
Starting point is 00:02:27 He got lucky that wasn't nobody. around, dude, he was able to catch that one. But, dude, he was, you know, he was literally pressured all night. They ended up, you know, punting the rock. And L.A., they get up out there. And your boy, Isaiah Rogers. Did you, what did you think about that, Debo? Did you think it was a pick six?
Starting point is 00:02:48 I thought it was a pick six. But when you look at it and they do the review and you start slowing that thing down, then it's room for that. I think if he goes and just keeps both hands under it, do his role instead of trying to throw that hand out so he could put the other one down and take off. I think they give it to him, but they don't. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:03:11 They back out there. I was looking at that too, Debo. I feel you because it looked like he picked the ball. But, you know, just when you start doing real for real, super slow motion, sometimes the ball touches the ball. You don't know if he had, he can have control of it, like fully with a piece of the ball touching the ground. So there's room for like,
Starting point is 00:03:30 there's room for questioning. Yeah, no question. Because when it come down to it, you don't take your other hand off the ball unless you're sure you got it gripped than that one because he's trying to get up and get out. He's trying to get up and go. He's trying to move.
Starting point is 00:03:44 He's just athletic. He's like, I got the ball. So now I'm just, whatever I got to do to get up and get out of here as fast as possible, that's what I'm trying to do. Yeah. I think if he, like I said, if he just kept both hands there
Starting point is 00:03:54 and rolled that thing out, they'd have been able to see, even though it moved, I had hands on it. Then, you know, he would have been able to take that and go. Instead, it turns around into a 14-play drive, almost 85 yards, close to eight minutes off the clock and next score seven. Yeah. And that was complete. It could have been, like the game could have been, like you said,
Starting point is 00:04:19 the game could have been flipped. It could have been pick six, but then it took a seven-minute drive, Herbert using his legs, looking at it. From that one errant throw, no other thows were off target after that play. Yeah, yeah. And then they come right back out, you know, they do a three out. I think he sacked on consecutive down. No, he was pressured on the second.
Starting point is 00:04:40 And then he got sacked on the third. They kicked, you know, they got to punt the ball again. He was running for his life, Debo. Dude, all night, all night. And L.A. come back out there, dude, eight plays. That's all it needed to cover the hot, what, 60 yards? Another touchdown. It's 14, nothing, dude.
Starting point is 00:04:59 I'm like, this might get real ugly, you know what I'm saying? One of those ugly games. But they end up getting lucky, you know what I'm saying? The next possession, he should have been picked on that second down. Yes, yes. But he wasn't. So they ended up, you know, scoring a field goal, you know, it's three to 14. Again, they cannot stop L.A.
Starting point is 00:05:22 The only thing you stopped L.A. was L.A. They missed the field goal. field goal they missed the field goal and they weren't even able to you know capitalize on that they end up hitting a hot three and out and then LA comes right back in there and Herbert and that but that's when that's when they started getting hurt when uh whence like he picked the he was already hurt that's why I was he was looking he was looking hurt the whole game yeah but that's why I was worried as soon as I saw the the whole little brace on that arm over there and he threw that swing pass and it was behind him i'm like man this is you ain't been playing well the last two games anyway
Starting point is 00:06:00 well really last three three out of four games he ain't been playing too well so i'm like yeah this this this this this can get real ugly and you know Herbert goes out there that next drive he goes five or six i think it was like 60 65 yards something like that he had another like scramble for like this 25 or something like that And in between two different scrambles. And they end up going 94 yards, dude, in just over three minutes, bro. Yes, nine plays. And McConkey was getting open on the third downs.
Starting point is 00:06:39 And then he hit my man with just the straight fade ball up the sideline. You know what I'm saying? Like McConkey was balling and Herbo was using his legs on that drive. They just walked the ball, 94 yards, nine plays down the field. That drive was impressive for sure. Yeah, 21, 21-3 halftime, right? Yep. I think it's 21-3 halftime.
Starting point is 00:07:00 L.A. gets the kickoff, right? No, Minnesota gets it. And L.A. ends up getting a landy zone penalty. So that gave me an opportunity to get up. The kicker. The kicker, he doesn't shank the joint. He shanked the stink out of it. I think I could have got, I think I could have got that better than that.
Starting point is 00:07:20 No, but again, once, you know, he was pressured all. night dude i think he got sacked on first and second down i think that was the time yeah they end up settling for a field goal he hit jefferson he ended up making a good pass that got jefferson down there and then the field goal kicker came up then this field go kicker duffit came up about two yards short of the field go it was going to talk he kicked half the ground up with it yeah no he kicked behind the ball yeah he kicked half the ground up with that one no he definitely he chunked it he did a golf chunk bruh i take it back that was that was the end of the uh first half yeah that was the end of the first half but it was yeah it was it was three to 21 same thing yeah and then um the second half
Starting point is 00:08:05 started off and that's when with vidal sad soon man vidal sad soon he started it started doing his thing boy he was running hard patient like hitting the hole he wanted him little bowling ball running He was holding that pill. Yeah, they ended up getting a field goal on that, on that first one. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but Minnesota, they said, they got, they got kind of lucky. Tip pit. Yeah, they, no, I'm talking about for, for the, they had a fumble, but they, they, they were able to recover.
Starting point is 00:08:43 Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they were able to recover, they punted it off. And then that was when immediately after, after that, Hugo, he got the tip. The tip pass. They got the interception. And, you know, again, Minnesota, they kick a, was it a field goal? No, I think it was L.A. L.A. goes, and they kicked the field goal.
Starting point is 00:09:12 That's what it was. And they had, like, they had extra dudes on the field. Oh, no, they had scored. Yeah, yeah. Because I remember had some. Six. They had scored three to make it six. they had 12 men on the field.
Starting point is 00:09:25 They gave them an extra five yards. Yes. So they took the field gold off. And they went forward on fourth and nine. Yeah. Then they got the illegal contact. They gave my first down. Yes.
Starting point is 00:09:38 Yeah, they was getting lucky. I'm like, yeah. They did them up. They was making good plays. Had it all the way down. They sack them. Fourth and nine, illegal contact. Got the ball on the one.
Starting point is 00:09:49 Score day touchdown is 10 to 24. You think it may be. I mean, I don't know. I'm thinking possibly, but the defense ain't really doing nothing. But, Vidal. Hey, he got that boy Vidal, a very possession. They gave the boy the ball for five carries. He went 50 yards.
Starting point is 00:10:08 Bro, that's when he took over the game. Took over the game, bro. You know they're about to run the ball and you can't stop him from running. That's the, dude, that is infuriating, dude. Yeah, he was getting, they got a holding penalty, took it, brought him back five. And Vidal didn't matter. It didn't matter. It didn't matter.
Starting point is 00:10:23 It didn't matter, dude. 12 plays, what, 75, 73 yards, something like that. Mm-hmm. 31 to 10. And what's your boy going to do? What's your boy going to do? What I'm going to go? Minnesota.
Starting point is 00:10:39 Do a pick. That's what he did. The second. But, bro, this is what I'm telling you, by this time, my man was battered, beaten, and bruised, brother. He was getting smashed out there. So, yeah, he does. definitely threw the pick over. He tried to throw it.
Starting point is 00:10:54 He overlaid Jefferson. Jefferson running, letting him too far. Just a bad pass. Pick. Yep. And then the charges gave the ball back to more of a dial.
Starting point is 00:11:07 No question. Weren't able to school. Yeah. But they burned off about almost what? At the end of it, they ended up burning off close to, what was it, five minutes or so?
Starting point is 00:11:21 on that next drive they got a field goal it was 34 to 10 yeah that the bill go 34 to 10 yeah they got the ball back but it's only seven minutes left i think just over under seven minutes turn over on downs yeah the game is the game is really over they pulled but look after that part deba oh yeah so go ahead go ahead go ahead man yeah they went on ahead and added a little bit more you know on top of it put a cherry on top and kicked another field going on them to make it 37 to 10 yeah and then And then they took Wentz out. Yeah. And then the part, the kind of, you knew it was over.
Starting point is 00:11:57 They didn't even want to get, they didn't even want to get a field goal or nothing. They just let the clock run out. Yeah. Yeah, it was. I was like, dang. They just, that was crazy. They knew. They got some issues.
Starting point is 00:12:10 They offense did absolutely terrible, man. 164 total yards. They only had 34 of rushing. Wentz went 15 for 20, well, went. Yeah, 15 for 27, 144 yards. He had a touchdown, but, you know, he also had an interception, and they sacked him, what, five, six times? Yeah, man.
Starting point is 00:12:32 He was pressured all night, dude. Like, I didn't see him, you know, really have a throw that was with any extra time or significant time to be able to, you know, get the ball to where he wanted to go. And on top of, you know, him already being hurt, I think I would have, I would have took a chance. with the guy behind him. And then the defense, like, that is not Minnesota defense. Like, I haven't seen them doing, like, that bad, that consistently for, like, the whole game. No, for sure.
Starting point is 00:13:04 I haven't seen that at all. Y'all at Herbert, you know, he didn't really, well, he did what he had to do. It was only 18 to 25 or 225, but it was three tuddies. Yes, three tetties. It was using his leg. And then he killed you with the scrambling, though. Scambling. He had seven for 62.
Starting point is 00:13:23 Like, he just killed you with the scrambling at the opportunity, at the opportune times when guys weren't open. He was, he was just making it. And Vidal Sassoon, man. God, Vidal sat soon. Here's the crazy thing, bro. Like, he wasn't really doing that much in the first half. I think he was 11 for 24 rushing.
Starting point is 00:13:41 But by the end of the game, my guy was 23 for 117. That's not the numbers you used to see in Minnesota give up on Russian. No. Period. Defense all together, dude. Like, they're, I don't know what they got to do to fix this. But, I mean, I know what you need to do. You got to protect the quarterback first.
Starting point is 00:14:02 And then get you, you know, get you a quarterback that can actually do everything that's necessary. Right now, he's not looking like he can do everything that's necessary. I mean, I guess that's the reason he's been to, what, six teams and six years. So, yeah, it was, it was bad, Debo on for the. the Vikings perspective because I was looking at it and it was like one thing he was hurt the first pass of the game like you said he threw behind my man so I'm like oh my it's already looking crazy like that you can't even throw the swing pass it looks already off so that that one thing he was under pressure getting punished like getting hit and his arm was hurting his
Starting point is 00:14:40 it looked like his ribs was hurting by the end of the game my man was crying out there and they didn't have dude he was crying my son was like literally is he on the side like he's crying. I'm like, he was crying, Debo. I felt bad for him. I was like, oh, my goodness, man. This is a different thing between playing a hurt and being injured. I'm like, that's an injured man out there. Get him out.
Starting point is 00:15:01 He's going to hurt himself. That boy, injured and hurt. Injured and hurt. You play injured and hurt. Your arm is injured. Your soul is hurt. Your ribs are hurt. You don't know what I'm saying? But it was just, they didn't have no running game. He didn't have any time.
Starting point is 00:15:17 And it just was like, they only had. had three first downs in, like, the first half. And then going against, on the other side, your defense can't stop nobody. They had 24 first downs. He's running the ball. By that out wasn't going to be able to. Did they even punt once? They didn't punt the whole game, Debo.
Starting point is 00:15:34 They didn't punt one time. You know what I'm saying? So they were just continuing. The first two touchdown, touchdown, field goals, they were doing what they wanted. Justin Herbert, I would say, looked amazing. He looked athletic. He looked like being able to bounce back y'all need after with the Indianapolis coach did to him over there.
Starting point is 00:15:51 Like, that's, you know, that's definitely how you answer. Yes, that's definitely how you answer. That definitely how you answer. That confidence back, okay, we had an off game, you know what I'm saying? Or we had, you know, like, it lets you know, like, we aren't what we showed last week. And that's the opportunity you get, you know what I'm saying? When it's a Thursday game, you're like, you know, especially if you lose on Sunday, you're like, yeah, I want to get back out here and get this off me.
Starting point is 00:16:14 I got a stench off me. Mm-hmm. For sure. And they did, they did that. They did that exactly right. Just being able to run the ball, and he was giving it to everybody, the rookie tight end, Kenan Allen, he was throwing it around to everybody
Starting point is 00:16:27 was getting a piece. And if he was handed off, they were running play action, if people man-to-man coverage, their back is turned, I'm going to run and get these first downs. Like, four carries, 44 yards. He was just being very smart. He's not a couple of times. I don't want him, Josh Allen taking unnecessary hits.
Starting point is 00:16:44 Like, when he's getting to the joint, like trying to run. I mean, not Josh Allen, my bad. Justin Herbert. I don't want him taking unnecessary hits. That's my only thing when he's running a little bit. Get down. Slide.
Starting point is 00:16:55 We need you for the long haul. But he was definitely using his legs good. He was the leading rusher until Vidal started giving you totes. And the second half, he was running through holes. He wasn't getting touched until he got into the secondary. So they looked like a good team. The Vikings just looked like they couldn't stop a nosebleed. And it didn't help on the officer's side.
Starting point is 00:17:16 They couldn't get nothing going. Carson Wentz was getting smacked crazily. I felt bad for the man because, like I said, literally your son saw it, I saw it, he was on the sideline literally in tears. I think for physical pain. He wasn't crying. I tried
Starting point is 00:17:31 to say he wasn't crying. He was just upset. Like, you know, that's just frustration. He's so bad. His face was turning red. Your son saw it. I saw it. I think it was actually. It had to be something by the physical tear. I can't, I can't cry on the sideline. I'm not talking about it.
Starting point is 00:17:47 That wasn't true. That wasn't true on the sideline. Listen, man, it don't matter. Even when I've lost Super Bowls, bro, I'm not crying, bro. I'm going to the shower when I get to the hotel, and I'm going to cry in there by myself. And ain't nobody go, no, I'm crying. See, there you go, Debo. You see, you're a real one.
Starting point is 00:18:09 Look, I cry. I might cry. I might cry. I might cry. I'm a cry. I can't get you. you the satisfaction of seeing that live and then pro. I can't, I can't get you that.
Starting point is 00:18:21 Especially a football game, no, I can't give you that. I think back in the day, maybe I definitely would have cried knowing I wouldn't have been a meme. Now I definitely like, oh, soon as I cry, I know it's a rap. You know. You're looking crazy. Yeah, they got
Starting point is 00:18:39 to figure out what they're going to do over there. We got to. We got a game Sunday night. Aaron said, this This is not a revenge game for him. He actually said, you know, that he will end his career in Green Bay, you know. Do you think this is a revenge game for him, or is he giving lip service? I think, and it's heart of hearts, at the end of the day, being a competitor, being in
Starting point is 00:19:05 the place for 18 years, you want to beat where you left. You want, they didn't want you as much. You want them to think, like, that you weren't worth it. So as not getting clickbait, not trying to make anything bigger of it, at the inside as a man, I think that he feels some type of way. You can't spend, I mean, as me, I know I would. Spending 18 years in an organization and not leaving the way that you thought that you would want to, going against them, you would want to show them that what they're missing out on
Starting point is 00:19:34 or at least not, you don't want to lose. You know what I'm saying? So I think it gives you a little bit more motivation. But it's not like it's Aaron Rogers versus them. I love the way he goes about it, not saying. Like, man, no, they didn't want me so. But I think at the inside, as a competitor, he definitely wants to beat them. Like, obviously he wants, he wants to win.
Starting point is 00:19:52 I'm not, I haven't talked to Aaron. I don't, I haven't spoken to him about this. And I mean, my heart of hearts, I think he 150,000 percent want to beat the dogs, not out of them boys. Like, he wants to go out there. He wants to win, and he wants to outperform the other quarterback in numbers. and in yards, touchdowns, whatever that is, oh, 100% he wants to do all of that. Now, it in his career, like everything he said was like, you know,
Starting point is 00:20:25 the organization itself, yes, love for the organization, love it. But the guys that's there, the coaches that actually, or the GM that got you up out of there, or whatever that may be, you feel in some kind of way. Like, I'm going to tell you right now, When I went to New England, bro, and we had that opportunity to play the Steelers, and all they had to do was beat Jacksonville, and they let Jacksonville go out there and run through him and get stomp. I was there.
Starting point is 00:20:55 I was on the defensive side. I was so upset. I was so upset, dude, because I was going to get me some more of that Ben Rothensberger. Like I got in college when I sacked him five times. at the end of my senior year for the last guy, you know what I'm saying? Your camera went off, Debo. My camera went out, hold on.
Starting point is 00:21:20 But no, trust me and believe. Yeah. Real talk. Like, you want to beat every team in the NFL that you didn't even play for. We want to beat the Ravens. We want to dog them. An organization that you literally play for,
Starting point is 00:21:32 you know people there. You know, you know them. You know them personally. Like, you've kicked it before. Not like it's a, like, why wouldn't you want You don't want to go there and be like, oh, yeah, this is a game. We want to be the best that we can be. We think that we're the best, and we're coming to perform that.
Starting point is 00:21:47 Y'all didn't think I was good enough to be there anymore. I want all smoke. I want to win. I want to get y'all out the way. Like, I want to, not embarrass you, but, like, I want y'all to see, like, y'all didn't think I was good enough. I know it's a best of it. Yo, y'all made the wrong decision.
Starting point is 00:22:00 Y'all made the wrong decision. You know what I'm saying? I mean, at some point in time, everybody know they got to go. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Respectfully to him, him knowing he's been 18 years there. He's like, I'm going to retire there. Like, that is kind of like, that's my spot.
Starting point is 00:22:14 There's no stuff there like being able to know. He knows what it is. I won a Super Bowl there. I spent 18 years my career. I'm at my Hall of Fame. Like, they know me Aaron Rogers Green Bay. But, like, I'm still, I'm playing now. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you.
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Starting point is 00:23:04 do what I got to do. Oh, yeah. No question. But I'm going to tell you this. Again, it's still some extra there. If the opportunity was like I had a crystal ball and they said, hey, you could lose to A team or you could lose to B team. B team is the one that you played for forever and they got rid of you. A team is just the organization.
Starting point is 00:23:27 The A team. No, no, no, no. I'm trying to beat, I'm trying to beat this thing out of B team. No, no, I thought you said if you was going to lose. No, if I, oh, yeah, yeah, sorry, I'm tripping. If I'm going to lose, I'm a lose, I'm not trying to lose the beat. I'm not trying to lose to them people that already, that let me get that I play for it. No, no.
Starting point is 00:23:48 I don't care if it's, I don't care if it's one game. Like, I won't that one game. Listen, I'll give up two for the one. Trust, man. Depending on the situation, you know what I'm saying? Oh, give up two for one is crazy. You know what I'm saying? It really depends on the situation, man.
Starting point is 00:24:06 Oh, huh. Yeah. Listen, don't forget, we are playing the Green Bay Packers. And all these people out here who want to, listen, all these people out here who want to say that still isn't playing nobody. We're about to play somebody. Oh, yeah. Let's get a preview on Green Bay Packers. We're about to play a formidable opponent.
Starting point is 00:24:29 That way, once we win, nobody. can say anything. And for that reason, it's why Joe and myself are giving away two tickets for two different people. So it's a total of four tickets. And matter of fact, the winner will be announced tomorrow on IG. Okay. On IG. Okay. I love it, you both. We're going to keep you, we'll go keep you waiting a little bit longer, just a little bit. It's worth to wait. night, Pittsburgh. What you think
Starting point is 00:25:06 going to happen, Debo? What you? Unanimous victory. I know. I know. How you think it's going to happen? Defense.
Starting point is 00:25:17 What do you think of our defense going to do? Defense go do their thing and Aaron will go out there and go, Aaron. No, you're going to go crazy. Go Aaron. Respectfully. I ain't go lie to you, though.
Starting point is 00:25:31 I'm a little. maybe concern okay about parsons over there because uh last week he did kind of go crazy no he definitely did so I'm hoping he got that out the way you're gonna see we're gonna have to like going he don't feel like going crazy no more I think it's gonna be a real I can't wait I can't wait what you're saying it like that for you can't what you mean you can't wait I can't wait for the stillers to show that they're going to be the, I can't wait for the still, for us to show that be the real deal. I'm rocking. Okay.
Starting point is 00:26:08 I'm rocking. Okay. I'm just, I'm just, you know. You're checking my temperature to see what I'm talking about. Because it kind of, you know, you get, no, no. You be iffy sometimes. Like, who the Brown's playing? Let me, let me check your tent.
Starting point is 00:26:21 Who the Browns playing? Browns playing the Patriots. They're playing the Patriots. Yes. Where they at? I think they're in the wind. England. They in New England.
Starting point is 00:26:32 What do you see? Let me see your eyes, Joe. What do you see here, Joe? Who, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, this is, man, I tell you one thing. If the, if the Browns win this, I would be surprised. Because the Patriots are looking good. The Patriots are looking like a really good team, Drake. So you're saying unanimous defeat.
Starting point is 00:26:56 I'm not, look, no, no, this is what I'm telling you, are you asked for my, you ask for my, do you want my, do you want my, like, sports, what do I think, like sports talk or like literally is going to happen on the field or what do I emotionally want to happen? There's a difference between what I want to happen and what I do you want to happen, Joe? I want the Browns to win. I want the Browns to perform. What do you think it's going to happen? I think the, so I think that the Patriots might beat us, honestly. If you, if you, you, if you, you really want to know. I think the picture is my plan.
Starting point is 00:27:32 I hope that because just because I think our offensive attack, I don't know, I want to see what we can do with the run game. I know they're beatable. I hope we beat them. I think we can beat them. But with their running attack, with the way that Drake Bay is playing. Boy, I think of hope and wish and pray, hope, faith, and charity, all that. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:27:53 You got a lot of words that don't equate to a W. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. When I speak, when I talk about it as a fan, as a fan, as me wanting my team to win, then that's when it gets real like, this got to happen. But if I just want to talk to, like, the pitchers are playing. But when the Browns play the Steelers, you just want to see a good game and whoever wins wins. I want to see a good game.
Starting point is 00:28:20 I want both of the teams to play at a high level. I just want to see good football. And wherever the chips may fall, they fall. I just, I'm having a. difficult time with that situation, and I think the people are, too. I understand that. I understand that. But they didn't, but they didn't have the blood, sweat, and tears.
Starting point is 00:28:37 I spent seven years. I mean, you're kind of talking like somebody I know in Miami. I don't. See, that's what I'm saying. I don't want to start sounding like coach. McDaniels. McDaniel when I'm starting to talk about the Browns. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:50 Yeah. Get the stuttering, get to stuttering, get to moving in my hands, get to not really, get to not really saying anything. Like, Daniel, I do, I, uh, And then, um, what, what you think going to happen, Debo? Give me, what do you think is what happened with the Browns versus Stiller? I mean, the Browns versus the Patriots? Patriots?
Starting point is 00:29:11 All day. Patriots. You already know that. Stop it. Who the, what? The Browns beating the, the Patriots at home? Who they coach? Hmm?
Starting point is 00:29:27 Rable? he ain't about he said he didn't have he's a suit up itself for he lute to for he lute to the ground okay unanimous
Starting point is 00:29:37 unanimous victory by the Patriots okay no I'm gonna I'm gonna put I'm gonna you know what I'm gonna do this time just because I think the Brown's defense balling elite
Starting point is 00:29:52 Juckins balling I just think this is gonna be my this is gonna be the game unless they hit him come across the middle, he goes short arm. This is going to be the game, this going to be the game, this going to be the game for real for real, that's going to be able to show me a lot about Dylan Gabriel, too.
Starting point is 00:30:06 I'm going to be, I'm going to hold the defense, defense got the ball, special teams has the ball, running game, obviously, let's make sure we get the ball the jackets. We're not going to make him have to throw it 50 times, but I need you to throw the ball a little bit downfield. I need some, I need some 200 and some yards with a touchdown and no interceptions. You know what I'm saying? If I can get 220 in a tutty, you know, I'm saying? Good.
Starting point is 00:30:29 You know what I'm saying? First downs, convert on third down. I need it to get, you know what I'm saying? Great third down conversions. Keep a couple drives alive. Use your legs. Don't be dumb. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:30:38 And if we can beat them with, if Dylan can win this game, then God, they, okay. Okay, Dylan, I see you. But I don't know. With what I've seen from the previous games, I'm not, I'm not saying that I don't know that can happen, but I hope he can do it. Okay. You're hoping. I'm hoping.
Starting point is 00:30:56 Okay, that's good. It's good to have hope. You know what I'm saying? Because I watch them do. I mean, but, you know, how many games they don't want? Two. Huh? How many?
Starting point is 00:31:07 Two. Two. Okay. Okay. I was just a second. I was a second. You know, when you start losing games. It's what have you done for me lately.
Starting point is 00:31:14 Last week, they bust Miami. So we're going to see. Miami. Look, look, last week the Patriots beat Tennessee. So both of them had, so both of them can say, okay, you can only be who you play. Miami. Miami. Tennessee would beat Miami.
Starting point is 00:31:31 Miami can't get nothing together. We're going to see. Like, you start losing like that, you start losing things. Ask the Ravens. The Ravens, they lost a ping pong table and their locker room. That's what happened.
Starting point is 00:31:47 That's what happened. You start losing. Yeah, that's what you started losing stuff now. You ever had something taken away in the locker room? Start losing privileges. Start losing privileges. Start losing all your little games
Starting point is 00:31:57 that might be in there. You know what? I never liked having like little games and pool table, all that stuff in the locker room because it asks distraction to why you're there. Like, you here to work. Even though it is a job that you enjoy, you like to be there. You're here to work. I don't need nothing distracting me from being able to get out to the field in time. You know what I'm saying? It just, it just, it just don't make no sense. Yeah, I was never, I was never really a game guy. Sometimes we were playing. cards like just to blow the time through but listen listen your boy you boy cal hamilton said he said my ral my braces say the word mo morale thank you hasn't dropped we still feel we can make magic
Starting point is 00:32:46 they got to make magic that's you got to make magic I thought all you need to do is just play at the level that y'all had been playing at before this year and that would you know That would be enough. They're talking about magic. I understand they're talking why they're talking about magic. Like, what is it? They 1 in 5, something like that? Yeah, something like that.
Starting point is 00:33:05 Something like that. How many teams done made the playoffs that was 1 in 5, dude? Not a lot. What is it? Four or five teams, I think, that made the playoffs that started 1 in 5. And you over here with the Pittsburgh Steelers, you over here with the Pittsburgh Steelers, who you've got to see two times. he's talking about they got to play every game like it's it's an
Starting point is 00:33:32 elimination game we ain't we ain't losing to no ravens no not twice they got to get that magic back when is Lamar coming back
Starting point is 00:33:47 they say Lamar is supposed to be coming back this week but that's what they say man that's what they say I need Lamar to go out there and do his thing, okay? But I might need him to have a little setback before he sees us. That's all.
Starting point is 00:34:05 I'm asking for you. Oh, bad, deep, oh, damn. I'm just, I'm not. And I ain't, I ain't asking. I mean, I ain't wishing nothing bad on nobody, you know what I'm saying? No, no, for sure. You never do, never do that. But, I mean, I think the last time we seen them, they put some numbers up that was not,
Starting point is 00:34:22 I didn't like those numbers. Wasn't it, like, close to, like, 300? like Russian, something like that. I think so. Yeah, I don't, hey, y'all, y'all want the magic back. Go down to the Magic Kingdom and Disney. Y'all go there. They got to start.
Starting point is 00:34:43 They got to just, they got to, I'm not, I'm not believing in the Ravens this year. You know, the defense still, like at the end of the day, Lamar's out, the offense isn't doing what they got to do, but your defense is not playing well. So we're talking about the magic back. Everybody got to do their 11th. Everybody got to do their job. There's people running open.
Starting point is 00:35:02 There's people running through the defense. So that's not going to change in one week. You know what I'm saying? I don't think. And then when your offense gets back, when Lamar gets back, he's going to have to take time. He's not going to take him time
Starting point is 00:35:12 to get back into his groove, I don't think. But your team. I mean, even when you had him, you still couldn't win because the defense couldn't stop. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. So if nothing, if you like magic, man, you need a miracle.
Starting point is 00:35:25 You got it, man. And something got to change. So, I mean, they know it. Looking at the tape, they got to perform better. So it's accountability. So it's really just the dudes. Like you said, they have the players to do it. So they got to start playing better.
Starting point is 00:35:38 Or they're going to be looking still crazy. And I don't think the magic is doing your job. Everybody. You know what I'm saying? Consistently. Like making the routine plays routinely. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, every play is not made for you.
Starting point is 00:35:50 You're setting your teammate up to do it. And just the normal things, when you do that normally, then it's going to look magic. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's nothing extra that you got to go do outside of yourself. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:36:02 Yeah. It's nothing magic. Just do your job better than the person you're going against. Like, when you're one-on-ones and everything else should take care of itself. D'Bos, it's a lot simpler.
Starting point is 00:36:14 You know what I'm saying? When you really put it into perspective, like when you go in that film room and you're really sitting there with your coaches and you're really breaking down the tape, you can see each play like, oh, no, he lost his one-on-on-on-on- one right here he was blocked out of the way that's what made you know what I'm saying this play
Starting point is 00:36:28 open that's why this hole is this big you know what I'm saying it's not nobody's fault back here in the secondary this fault right here was on his defensive tackle that should have been there normally right you stay right there he's going to jump over to the next gap and then if that gap is not contained that's on that man where he should be in his spot like it's not as hard as people try to make things like it's not a magic thing it's like no was all 11 people doing their job on this play yeah one this play next play was everybody Especially when you start losing, you have guys trying to do extra. Like, I'm going to do what I need to do and mine.
Starting point is 00:37:01 And then you go and you think you got your secured, you go and try and help your partner. And now all of a sudden, that running back door to that spot you was at. It's a lot simpler. You know what I'm saying? And now you're looking like, oh, man, like, just do your job. And everything else will fall in this place, man. They care of your kitchen.
Starting point is 00:37:21 Yo, Brandon Graham, he back. He back. He back. Finn said he'll see what's shaping you in to see, you know, how much you go use and where he'll go from there. Hey, you ever had any teams that tried to get you to come back out of retirement, bro? Man, no, Debo, no. No.
Starting point is 00:37:39 No, because I told my agent, I'm done. And when I, I respect the game too much. Dude, the fans is asking for you right now in Cleveland. Brother, I'm telling you just right now, I respect the game too much and just my hips. And the surgeries I had, like, I just don't feel physically like I could do what I needed to do, like running, breaking, like, doing that consistently. Like that, when I was in the league, bro, that stuff I was doing, like, with the maintaining my body, I was getting the dry needles.
Starting point is 00:38:10 I was doing all this stuff every single day, like watching what I ate, working out, you know what I'm saying? Because I took it really seriously because, like, after year, once I was in the joint year six and seven, I started getting a little older. And it wasn't just as easy to get up every day. You go to the practices, you do the stuff, the wear and tear, the grind of the game. And nobody's getting older out there. These dudes are getting younger.
Starting point is 00:38:31 There's new drag picks coming in every single year, Alabama, Florida, Miami. They're coming in hungry, ready to take your spot. And they're athletic. They're not getting any less more athletic. These dudes are running faster. They're jumping higher. And they're really, really good. So I would be a disservice.
Starting point is 00:38:48 I would be disrespecting the game thinking, like, I can just come off the couch after two years of just chilling, not doing nothing. I know my groins is tight. I can't really dunk on vert like I used to. Like just being able to stand in the room, jump and dunk. That's what I'm, okay, yeah, I can do things that other just normal people aren't doing at my size and stature because I'm a professional athlete. Right now, no.
Starting point is 00:39:09 I can't do that. Out there with Jamar Chase, you telling me guard a man to man, he's going to drop me up. I'm going to look nuts out there. Like, no, sir. So I think for me, it's more respect for the game, telling my agent, look, man, I'm out of here. And I don't want to go out there. and be looking like... You don't want to get embarrassed,
Starting point is 00:39:26 dude. I don't want to go out there getting embarrassed like this. Damn, what are you doing out there looking crazy getting toasted? I want the people to remember the last time I was out there playing.
Starting point is 00:39:33 That's the guy that go out there he'd get toasted and all that other stuff and you talk, you talk trash to him and he'd be like, I make more money than you, though. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:39:43 That's all he can throw at you. I'm making more money than you, though. I'm like this, now he... Now you're out here stealing. You're just out here stealing. You don't even mean it. They're not trying to.
Starting point is 00:39:53 trying to get in there. I want to remember, like, I'm going to go hard. I want to throw myself in there. I want to make these tackles. I don't want to be nervous in the open field when I see Derek Henry. Because when I play, I wasn't scared. I'm like, no, I'm going to come down, chop this tree. I'm about to come take his legs out.
Starting point is 00:40:08 You know what I'm saying? So now, if I was thinking out there now, I'd be like, oh, I'm running up looking crazy. I'm like, I'm about to get Duke. I'm going to get ran over. Like, no, I'm not. So how you think, how you think Brandon go do? Oh.
Starting point is 00:40:20 I think people are different. I think, like, like, like, like, Like even you, Debo, how you said, continue to take care of your body. If he feels good, if he can take that wear and tear, if he can get to that position where I just don't want him to go, if he goes out there and he's like, man, like, this is just a little bit too much. Like, I just don't know for my body wise. If he was able to take care of his body, be in a position to get out there and really
Starting point is 00:40:43 make plays all more pressure to him, more love to him. I remember what's the safety, the safety that played for the chargers? My man, he had the Eric Guetto. Eric Guido, he was on a three and four minute, and then he was able to come back and ball out. I'm like, man, great to you. He must have been taken care of his body. I can see players that could do it.
Starting point is 00:41:02 I just know myself personally. Heck no. It ain't happening. It ain't happening. Listen, I totally 100% understand what you're saying. It's like people would be like, man, you can come back. No, uh-uh. I tell them, looks can be the scene.
Starting point is 00:41:16 Yes. I tell them, I tell them, I'm just going for the look. That's it. You did. Man, you look like you can play. I tell them. That's it. can be deceiving.
Starting point is 00:41:22 That's it. That's the only thing I'm going for now, baby, is to look. Oh, I want to look good for show. But, like, running, jumping, tackling, getting up to full speed right now, like, take off. If I had the all-out sprint, I am tearing something off. Brother, your hammies are going to blow off the bone. Dude, I can't even imagine it. That's bad.
Starting point is 00:41:45 That's bad. Roger Goodell said he is exploring how AI could improve officiating. You like that idea? I love that idea. I do too. I want you to get everything straight, get everything correct, get it right. Like, so that it's no, oh, well, if this had got called, if this hadn't got called, so on and so forth. Like, it's a easier way to do all this to get, make sure you get everything 100% correct.
Starting point is 00:42:15 That's like baseball. They don't want to use the strike thing. Like, it's right there. All you got to do is, like, it's going to be pop. They hit you and say, strike. You're like, all right, strike. But some of them dudes be so far off calling strikes, you're like, dude, like, if he had an opportunity to get another swing or two at that, the whole game changes. Yeah, no, for sure.
Starting point is 00:42:37 They're leaving room for a human error. I think some of the stuff, like, I want to see how they would do, like, holding calls, stuff like that. I think, like, line calls, like, is that the first down? Did they score? Were their feet in? Did they go out of bounds? those things, like the tennis ball. Like that stuff is like, you can see.
Starting point is 00:42:53 If you got a chip on the ball, you know that they pass the line, they pass the first down line or not. I just would look at like some of the holding calls, some of the stuff that's kind of like decision-wise. I don't know how AI can kind of do that. But I know for like lines, first downs, did they score, toes in, stuff like that. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you.
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Starting point is 00:43:43 Show. It makes perfect sense because they're direct. It's like there's no point of life. No, did he do that? No, the ball, they could tell. As soon as the elbow went down, I think AI's just so much more specific. Like, matter of fact, like, this is exactly what it is. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:56 Also, something that happened when I went to New England is, scout your refs. People don't, a lot of teams don't, don't scout their ref. Oh, no, Michelle, I know what you saying. Yeah. Smart to me when I got there, I'm like, why have we never, you know, we have never done this? Like, they scout the refs.
Starting point is 00:44:15 If this is a ref, that calls a lot of holding calls. If this is a ref that calls a lot of, you know, PI calls. What calls do he make and what calls don't he make? So that gives you the opportunity to be like, yo, I could be a little handsier today than before versus, oh, this ref right here, he's going to call. He's going to call everything. It don't matter if it's a little tug, a big tug. He's a guy. He's going to call it by the book straight down the line.
Starting point is 00:44:40 And that was something. I was like, oh, for real. They was like, yo, so this ref right here, he ain't calling holding. He don't call holding. So unless you get tackled, you're not going to get a hold you calls. You better do everything you can to get off of this alignment, off this line. Yeah, because nothing's going to happen. He's not going to call the hold it.
Starting point is 00:45:01 Yeah. Yeah, no, for sure. I remember, I think, yeah, I remember when, which team, but I remember they would come in and let us know what crew we had and where they ranked in crews and holdings, what called, like, what calls it did. I'm like, that's one of the smartest things I've seen because they're like, Joe, You better not touch these dudes. They call defensive passing the parents, like, real high.
Starting point is 00:45:22 So they're going to be real, real big. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like this. Damn, that's crazy. Appreciate it. Yeah, that's something that I never, I never even thought about. Like, and when I got there, it's like, yeah, the officials for this game is going to be, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:45:36 Hey, this is a dude that ain't go call holding. This is a dude that's a dude that's going to call holding. This is a dude that, hey, you could back off a little more off the line as a tackle because he's going to be more lenient on that, you know, off the ball. stuff than the other guy, like the other dude is like, yo, if your waist, if your head ain't breaking that center's waist, he is, he's popping you. You know what I'm saying? Like, and it's stuff like that that I don't, I don't think a lot of teams think about, dude.
Starting point is 00:46:00 Like, like, it just, it just didn't, like, it didn't make any sense not to do it, especially once I got there and I'm looking at it. I'm like, yeah, why don't we never do this in Pittsburgh? Like, well, like, we could have had all kinds of little different advantages. just like, okay, I know this dude ain't going to call holding, so don't let me get too tight in on this, you know, on this tackle because he's not going to call the arm around the neck. He's just going to let that go, you know?
Starting point is 00:46:25 Yeah, no for sure. But we go, we're going to slide over here to the NBA, man. The NBA has a gambling scandal going on. Something vicious. Boy, boy, boy, boy, boy. Bicious. I like your jacket, Joe. Bicious.
Starting point is 00:46:44 Yo, they said, what was it? Six years ago, your boy, Chauncey Billups had a poker scheme popping, manipulating the shuffling machines, x-ray table, bro. Like, he had it all going, all going. They said, they actually got text. This is all allegedly, okay? It's allegedly, okay. It's allegedly. Yes.
Starting point is 00:47:10 They got all this allegedly, okay? It's allegedly. I'm just going to say allegedly. Okay. Allegedly, they have texts. They got paper trail. Texting back and forth talking about, hey, you winning too much.
Starting point is 00:47:26 You need to lose some. We go get caught. You know what I'm saying? They're saying $7 million over six years. $7 million? Brough, if I ever played any type of gambling poker with you, bro, you go give me every penny back. Jail time ain't what you go have to worry about, bro.
Starting point is 00:47:49 Like, jail time will be the, the easiest thing that you go do. Like, out of jail, seven million dollars, bro? Debo, so there's a lot of different things on this joint was, so they got, like, Rozier and they got Billups with doing, like, the setting up the cars, setting up the decks, having people, like, fish, like him and a couple of dudes that they know, and then bringing in another guy that doesn't know what's going on and fleecing them for their money.
Starting point is 00:48:21 So that was the part where it was like they had the cards and the decks and the dealers were in it. So my thing is, people gamble all of the time. And I'm not with the gambling. Like, if you're in the NFL, like you know how they are.
Starting point is 00:48:35 They always do those NFL meetings about telling us you can't gamble, you can't gamble, unless I guess it's a big no-no in the lead that lets you know that. My thing is, playing in the NFL and being a player, we know
Starting point is 00:48:48 that you can gamble it, like, it's a job that you do where you make the money. So with NBA, I'm looking at them where like these, these paulets, these like prop bets where it's like the unders and that's what they're saying like, Terry Rozier was like, he went on ahead and pulled
Starting point is 00:49:04 itself out. I'm going to think of injury. Under nine or over 10 minutes into the game to get the under and they put like, I guess, like 250 on it. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Man, allegedly. Allegedly.
Starting point is 00:49:19 Allegedly. My thing of this, though, Debo is with that part, though, at the end of the day, you're making a, you're an NFL or you're an NBA, you're a professional player. You know that that's the most frowned upon a legal thing that you can possibly do, correct? I'll hold up. Now, listen, now, allegedly it was also backed by the mafia. I'm talking about all the families. The word is the Bambino, the Gambino, the Ghibi, the Luchese, like, dude, you're talking. That's scary.
Starting point is 00:49:55 That's scary. That's scary. This whole case has a whole different, a lot of different levels to it. Because when we're talking about the mafia, that's something that, like, when we're talking about just gambling and dudes like gambling and betting on games, this is like, Damon Jones was an NBA, was an NBA coach and NBA player. Terry Rozier is an active player. Tracy Billis is the head coach for the Portland Trailblazers. When we talk about the legitimacy of the game...
Starting point is 00:50:26 He in the Hall of Fame, bro? Yes, he got inducted to the Hall of Fame. They go stripping? What's going on with that? I don't know if they're going to strip him. Pete Rose now. Pete Rose couldn't get in because of this. I mean, it's...
Starting point is 00:50:40 It's a lot. it's a lot going on they're going to have to do some digging and the other part is too you make all that money and you scamming people do that's that's the part that I'm saying too it's not like
Starting point is 00:50:53 it's not like you're having a real like people in the league there's always having poker games people are bad and people are having a good time that's what people like to do like on the planes we would play dice
Starting point is 00:51:04 play cards the thing is when you start loading dice when you start cheating people there's no chance for them to win It's not an actual real gamble. Hey, it's a, it's a theme.
Starting point is 00:51:15 You're stealing. You're stealing from people. But real talk. I ain't never played no type of nothing with NBA players, dude. Them boys start off way too high. See, Debo, I have. Brut. I have.
Starting point is 00:51:32 You? I have. Joe, you tripping. I have. You got paper like that, Joe. I have. I can't. I'm $20.
Starting point is 00:51:39 $20. Andy, man. Hey That's it I'm not This is the thing too I'm not I don't do it I don't do it anymore
Starting point is 00:51:48 And sometimes we I used to I used to game I used to get I would be involved in the games Not Some of them would get crazy But it's like I can I know when to stop
Starting point is 00:51:59 I know when the Hey hey hey So you lost some money To your boy Chaunce No You be looking for him right now Mm Right now
Starting point is 00:52:09 Hey hey you lost by about three big ones. There's certain, see, that's what I'm saying. And there's certain private games that I would know when they're playing for more than I'm willing to play for. So there's a situation where you be in the spot and I'm like this, oh, you can see them playing cars. Brother, I was in the spot.
Starting point is 00:52:28 I went to Portland, Oregon for my Jordan trip three a month ago. And he's the coach for the Trailblazers. We were at the same spot. I had to watching the game when the Pacers, it was like game something. I think the Pacers was playing the Thunder. It was a playoff game. We were under there chilling, and they were playing cars. Troncy was down there underneath the little spot.
Starting point is 00:52:47 Robbing niggas. Robbing niggis. Allegedly. Allegedly. This is the thing, though, Debo. Allegedly. When they're going to, I think the parties were at spots where they would do, like, they would have cameras and situations set up.
Starting point is 00:53:00 I don't think he was doing that every game. Not every time you're just going to go play, getting everybody. It's legitimately set up. Allegedly. Allegedly. Set up events where they're doing it. But, I, if he's, that's, that's theft, that's stealing. Sometimes, but at the end of the day, too, Debo, when you're saying people are,
Starting point is 00:53:19 people that bet $100, um, that's too much, that's too much. I'm just saying, but you're saying that's too much, but I'm letting, you know, homeless Americans will bet $100. They were bet $100. They were better $100. And only have $1,000 to their account. That's 10% of their net worth in their account. And that's just what normal, do you say, it's not okay?
Starting point is 00:53:40 Okay, but you know that's what a lot of people would do. Say it. When you get to the league and people are making a lot more money, so that's why it's not as hard. Hey, that sounds crazy. Listen, you're making a whole bunch of paper. You don't need to be betting on nothing. Let everybody else do that.
Starting point is 00:53:55 So they can go ahead and get they come up, man, do what it is that they want to do. This is the part I'm saying now. But let's get to this right here. We're still in the, what is the NCAA basketball? We're going to, we're going to stick with basketball since, since we there. Jared Shaw, they said, this boy could face the death penalty in Indonesia for edible. Yeah. Cannabis edible, bro.
Starting point is 00:54:23 Like, does he have cancer? You in Indonesia, they don't care nothing about that. I know. They don't care anything about that, bro. I know. Zero tolerance. This is the thing, man. This is the thing.
Starting point is 00:54:36 Like, when you're going over here to these. these foreign countries, like, like, you need to know what their rules are, dude. Don't go over to these foreign countries that you could do there what you do in America. It ain't the same, dude. No. They have way worse penalties.
Starting point is 00:54:58 Like, you steal something somewhere, you get your hand cut off. Here, they say, oh, just let them go. Don't stop them. You don't want to just let it know. You get your hand. And now you have the possibility of losing your life over some. And here's the crazy thing, dude.
Starting point is 00:55:16 Like, it's Delta 9. Like, the only reason I know about Delta 9, I accidentally found out about Delta 9, okay? Delta 9 is a compound, bro, that I guess is like in the THC or something. So basically, look, bro, that's what gets you high, okay? Delta 9 is what gets you high. But they sell it as like CBD. So it says CBD, and it won't say without TAC, but it won't say with TACC, but on the back, it had that Delta 9. So this is what happened.
Starting point is 00:55:50 I take CBD, right? So I take real CBD. So somebody gave me something. I'm going to change the names and everything else to protect the innocent or the guilty. It's the guilty I'm protected. But I don't want to put them out there. I don't want to put nobody out there. I ain't going to do it.
Starting point is 00:56:05 I ain't going to do it. But I'm going to put you out there a little bit. Okay. So, give me. this CBD gummies. And I'm thinking, okay, cool. Right? So I go and I start popping a couple
Starting point is 00:56:17 CBD gummies. I'm thinking the CBD, but it got Delta 9. The Delta 9, I ate like eight of them, bro. Oh, my goodness. How many milligrams? Do you know? It was 25 milligrams. It supposed to be CBD, but I didn't know what Delta 9 was, bro. Eight at 25 milligrams?
Starting point is 00:56:35 Right, listen. You had 200 milligram gummies. Oh, you're out of I, I swore to God, if he let me live, I was never taking another CBD gummy. Oh, my goodness. I could, I know, 200 million. And I did not. Oh, my God, Thibon. Bro, I was so mad, bro.
Starting point is 00:56:54 That's out of body experience. Were you okay? Did you trip out? Listen, man, I was so gone, bro. I was just like, Lord, I was like, Lord, geez, please just let me. Yeah, yeah. I'll never do this again. And life and life.
Starting point is 00:57:10 That's when I found out what Delta 9 were. They got a Delta 8, too. I guess it ain't worse as 9, but I ain't messing with no Delta nothing no more. Like, it's just not happening. Easy thing to do is look up the rules and laws for the country you're going to so you can make sure you ain't breaking none of their rules or laws, and you won't have to end up in jail fighting for your life like Britney Grindr was.
Starting point is 00:57:36 I think he out there playing for them in the Indonesian League. And like you said, though, it's not America. And like, I know, they said he had. You spit on the ground. They can, they do really, yeah, that's what I'm saying, bro. Like, people think like, oh, no, they can't do that to me. It's like, no, no, no. Yeah, they can.
Starting point is 00:57:56 They're in America. You get treated. You don't understand. Like, people are really, really, really in this world living completely different lives where, hey, women. can't show their hairs. When people say we got it so bad, believe me, it's some things in this country that are bad,
Starting point is 00:58:12 but do, it is way worse things in under the countries that you can get far worse penalties for that aren't nowhere near as bad that you do here that they won't even blink an eye at. Like, I'm not trying to go nowhere, baby. Like, I ain't trying to go. No, for sure. I'm booed.
Starting point is 00:58:37 Where, hey, man, what's the, like, what country have you been to where you just, you couldn't even communicate because you didn't speak their language and they didn't, they didn't have much English to. See, this is what I'm saying. I'm not really going nowhere, Dibo, where they, that I'm not having nobody help me out or I'm just lost for this in the sauce. Like, yes. Yeah, no. I'm not feeling comfortable. I'm not going anywhere. I don't feel comfortable and I don't feel safe.
Starting point is 00:59:04 so like I'm going like I'm going to Mexico I've been to Dubai I love Dubai I did Italy we did Rome Florence Dubai was so cool too because it's safe it's clean because they know you don't trip out you don't do nothing stupid nobody going to do that stupid there are consequences so people just live very nicely like they're chilling they know like it's clean
Starting point is 00:59:27 it's not dirty because it's like this I'm not going to come out here doing nothing crazy like y'all don't want weed bet won't smoke If you're the only place you can have alcohol is in hotels. And that's where they had in clubs on like the rooftops or like the bottom of the hotels. That's the only place. If you're outside, you're not walking around just with containers drinking. But if you're at a hotel, you can drink.
Starting point is 00:59:46 It's like you're in America when you walk into the hotel. Everybody's chilling, you know what I'm saying? But just don't be acting crazy. I'm like this. I like this. It ain't even crazy, though. Just be normal. Just be normal.
Starting point is 00:59:58 Yes. Don't do nothing. Don't be up here trying to get a view for doing something funny. No, don't do that. and get locked up for being distorted. Why are you being disorderly? Like, I'm like, I don't like being disorderly. I like, chill.
Starting point is 01:00:09 I like, hey, how you doing? Okay, good. Boom, boom, boom. Walking around just being a normal human. You know what I'm saying? Respecting everybody else and they're going to respect you. Treat people the way you want to be treated. And that's kind of how I like the vibe.
Starting point is 01:00:22 So I think some of the places like, and then just with the things, if they don't accept the drugs, they don't play. So why are you trying to, if you're sneaking in, if you got some stuff, they're not playing about that. So that's something that you just don't do when you go across. So, like, I think just more the normal that you act and, like, just knowing, like you said, they don't, it's not just America. They're not going to slap you on the wrist. Take your little drugs.
Starting point is 01:00:43 They might chop your hand off. They might. Hey, yes. Kill you. They might, they might shoot you. Oh, mm-mm. No, none of that. Listen, Google.
Starting point is 01:00:54 Google it. Google will help you. Google, if you can go to jail for anything, wherever you go go. Google it. Google will help you. Check out everything it is that you want to do where you go do it at and make sure you ain't go lose your freedom or your life over it. Debo, tell the people what they got to do, man, to get these tickets to that game.
Starting point is 01:01:19 Hey, listen, I got one more thing, though, man. I'm hoping we got this picture, man. It was a woman in Florida that claimed she was Eminem's wife after trying to get out of paying the bill. Do we got the picture, man? Please show me the picture. If you, if y'all think this is, this is possible to be Eminem's wife, please, can you, can you, you got the picture? Please tell me y'all got the picture.
Starting point is 01:01:40 Do they got the M&M's shorties? Hey, they ain't got the picture, man. Put it in the clip later, man. Y'all got to put it in the clip, man. But, uh, I'm just going to say, I don't think that was his wife. I'm, I'm almost 100% short. Did you see it? I didn't see it.
Starting point is 01:02:03 Right. She looked crazy. Hey. Oh, yeah. Oh, super, super duper. Hey, we're going to circle back on that, though, for real. Oh, no, for sure. But look here, man.
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