Nightcap - Deebo & Joe - Steelers Take AFC North Title with DRAMATIC win over Ravens + Browns FIRE Stefanski

Episode Date: January 5, 2026

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Sunday Night Football where Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers defeated Lamar Jackson to punch their ticket to the NFL pla...yoffs as they claim the AFC North title. Later, they preview the Steelers playoff matchup vs. CJ Stroud and the Houston Texans, the Cleveland Browns firing head coach Kevin Stefanski, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code DEEBOJOE to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/DEEBOJOETimeline: 00:00 - Steelers beat Ravens52:26 - Myles Garrett Breaks Sack Record1:02:15 - Browns fire Kevin Stefanski1:03:11 - More NFL firings (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:32 or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, welcome back to the video episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host, James Debo here. I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Hey, please make sure
Starting point is 00:01:47 you guys like and subscribe. Look here, man. If you ain't come here to talk still a football, if you come here, complain and do all that, look here, baby. It's a thin line.
Starting point is 00:01:59 Between, in love and hate. Hey, I'm trying to tell you right now. Look here, boy. Hey. Oh, you're stupid, bravings, the dirty birds. Hey, Luke, took them for a loop. Hey, I ain't going to lie to you.
Starting point is 00:02:13 Now, I was nervous to you in church. Now, I'm going to tell you that right now. Oh, Evo. I was sweating in the pew. I was sweating in the pew. Genuinely. Hey, hey. Hey, listen, man.
Starting point is 00:02:24 Listen, amen. That's, that's some time how I go, man. That would do. That would do it. That would do it still in football. You would give you something to see. My goodness. That was one of the most exciting games I've ever seen, Debo.
Starting point is 00:02:36 Yeah, I'm going to put you in here with me, even though I, you know, I normally wouldn't, you know. All stillers went out there and closed that thing out. Yes. 26 to 24. Let's go on here getting through that thing, yo. Joe, free games, Joe. Yes, Debo. They go on head and they say, we go to first.
Starting point is 00:02:55 You know why we go to first? Why, we go. We want to raise out there. We want to go see what Lamar going to do? We want to go see what Lamar going to do. That what we want to do. Now, Joe, we get out there and we kick the ball off. And you know what they did?
Starting point is 00:03:10 They can't never play fair. So they hold us. They hold us. Penal to the off rip. Penal they off rip, man. Put them back to the 15 y'all line, man. Hey, look here, girl. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:22 First play, Derek Henry breaks off 47. Yep. Now, Joe, you and I know that for a man to break off 47, y'all, something got to be wrong, right? Yes, somebody that I was going to ask you, there has to be somebody missing the gap. There has to be something, some, something. We got a compilation, a compilation of things that went wrong on that play. Okay. First of all, TJ goes inside.
Starting point is 00:03:54 Now, when you go inside and you make the play, it's a great thing. The tight end comes over to him. He's supposed to be outside that tight end, but he's supposed to be outside that tight end. he goes inside. They also got a fullback sitting in the three right there. Our two backers mean they got to slide over a little bit more, okay? Okay. They'll get slid to snap the ball fast enough. T.J. goes inside of two.
Starting point is 00:04:10 And when he goes inside of two, he gets to the fullback. He actually stays inside the fullback. What that does is it cuts off all the corners. And now these tight ends and these receivers, the tight end and the receiver can now crack down on the backers on the inside. Now we've got a whole gap sitting over here. And Derek Henry takes off for 47 yards. Yes. When you make that play, it's great.
Starting point is 00:04:33 And when you don't, it looks like this. We have to keep it contained with every man has to do his job. Make it simple. It's very, very, very simple. When you do that, you cut off what is the Harrison? And then on top of that, they go underneath. The queen shoots the gap and doesn't make it instead of falling all the way over the top. Yes.
Starting point is 00:04:54 Bam. They go 47 yards. We get a blind side block that I ain't going to lie. wasn't a blind side block. It brings us back 15. Okay, it's cool. Next play, we go and do what we're supposed to do. Yes.
Starting point is 00:05:08 He only get three yards. Mm-hmm. Second down, I think it was likely, what was it? Maybe to six. Six. Yes, to make it a three or third and one. Yeah, like, they're, I see what they're trying to do. They're trying to get Harrison out of coverage on that.
Starting point is 00:05:25 Like, I understand, but anyway, they do it. So the next play is where again, bro, this is where they start running them RPO's, brother. Right. Where you said it's going to be an option. We're going to have to choose who we take it. We did the same thing that we did when was it the playoff game. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:46 We crashed down our outside dude and had the safety coming down to try and make a tackle on Lamar. We did it with Minka in the playoff game. That did not work. That made me nervous because I thought that's what we were going to end up doing. Margo's head. He breaks it off. He gets enough for the first down. And now, like, I don't, I just do it.
Starting point is 00:06:07 I don't like that. Like, that's what they did to us in the playoffs. And that's how, like, they kept. But, again, they plan Lamar. Mm-hmm. He's going to do something. He's going to do something. He's going to have to run.
Starting point is 00:06:18 Like, so it's early. I'm just seeing how fast he going to do. He looked pretty fast. So it's early. Yeah. So, ain't nothing but a big thing. First down. Hey, nine five, man.
Starting point is 00:06:29 made nice play right there. Yes. If I made a nice plate right there. You made a nice plate. Night five, I'm talking about you. You're going to talk about you. You made a nice plate. Nice ring, Debo.
Starting point is 00:06:38 Hey, I'm just talking with my hands, little. I don't know. My bad. Yeah. I just, you know, I end up talking. Okay, my bad. Anyway, the second down, you know, they hit Andrews, man.
Starting point is 00:06:51 Yes. No. That's cool. That was a hot. That was a hot, what, six? Yes. That's a hot six, man. third down, guess who show up again?
Starting point is 00:07:01 Bitton. He showed up again. He must have heard me talking about it. Debo, that's what I'm going to keep, hey, I'm going to keep talking about you. This is how you go play? Come on, because you're going to talk about him and we do good, though.
Starting point is 00:07:13 You're going to talk about what we'll be good. Yes, sir. Hold up. Maybe I know, maybe I know. Maybe I know we need to talk about you doing good. We go see. We go see. Let's go.
Starting point is 00:07:21 Now, we get to fourth down. They go forth. Yo. And Omar hit. Walker. What happened here, bro? See, this is what I'm saying. This is, it's cover zero.
Starting point is 00:07:34 And I feel bad. When we're deep, D.Bs are taught. You're seven yards back. You're not supposed to retreat. The ball needs to come out fast. So I'm blaming this on D-line linebackers. Yes, you got to get there, dude. Somebody's unblocked.
Starting point is 00:07:49 Lamar Jackson has time. So he's sitting there chilling. So Jalen Ramsey is expecting the ball to come out quick. So he's trying to undercut him and get on the guy. So that's just. on the D-line, I feel bad for J-Lan because you running like, I'm ass out. Like, you got to get to the D. You got to get to Lamar. You can't let him have that much time to throw an over route.
Starting point is 00:08:07 You know what I'm saying? He had time to get time. He didn't get no pressure on him. He had time to hold the ball longer than he should have been able to. And now that bang-bang-bang play turns into a bang-o-o-snap. Oh, snap. Tuddy. Tuddy. Tuddy.
Starting point is 00:08:22 So that looked crazy. But 7-0 off-Rip, D-Bo. The first day, we're looking like they're running. Then I'm looking at the ass-cover. you looking crazy. All right, man. That ain't tripping, though. Still, let's get out there, man.
Starting point is 00:08:35 First down, I don't know what that was. Was that supposed to be a screen or something? Yes. Okay. So first down, they do something that looks like a screen. We only get two yards, but we got lucky, unlucky,
Starting point is 00:08:45 we got lucky that we got 15. He got unlucky and you got face masks, okay? Second play, we swing it to him, and we lose one. This is what you're going to see a whole lot of, and I'm going to say about in the first half between the second half, first half, swing passes, checkdowns. A-Row went 0-4-5 in the first half going passes over 10 yards. So you're going to see a lot of dumps and dinks and checks.
Starting point is 00:09:10 Yeah, next play. I think Rogers, he ended up getting pressure. He had to throw it away. Third down, I think it was Austin. He threw it to Austin. I ain't going to lie. Wiggins. He could have picked that.
Starting point is 00:09:24 That's a one-on-one, one-on-one fade ball. That could have been uglier. You know what I'm saying? And that's just, that was one of the passes that he threw past 10 yards. He threw five balls over 10 yards in the first half. And these are, I'm going to break them down. That was one. O'Fle one on Wiggins, man to man.
Starting point is 00:09:38 Dude, we punt on fourth down. And we come out there and that's four straight pass plays, bro. I'm like, okay. Uh-huh. I don't, cool. I mean, we got rogers. I understand. But I'm rocking with the screen, but the screens and the quick passes to Jalen are, are extensions of runs.
Starting point is 00:09:55 Right. It's the run extension. True statement. I understand that. I understand that. But again, like, I think we only took off with a minute, 20 seconds. Yeah. No, I feel you on that. I feel you on that. No, I feel you on that. No, I feel you on that. Okay. Give me a little something. Give me a little. Let me just get out there. First down. One yard. Cam was going insane Thank you Hey Hey oh man
Starting point is 00:10:19 That man Cam He was playing like his hair was on fire He can't They said before the game He was sitting on the sideline 20 minutes eyes closed That man he had something to prove No question
Starting point is 00:10:30 No question I ain't gonna lie second down though Henry Henry got him Got him a nice little eight And then on third He picked up two for the first RPO They're running RPO's
Starting point is 00:10:39 These are RPO's They kind of stopped it though I'm glad they stopped it though I'm glad they stopped it because they started just turning the back and handing it because that, yeah. Hey, like I said, they were getting a situation
Starting point is 00:10:48 where they was going to let Marr pass. You know, we just needed to try and, you know, stop to run a little bit. Uh-huh, uh-huh. First down, I think he ended up throwing that one the flowers. That was, that was incomplete. Incplete?
Starting point is 00:11:01 Second down. I think that was, that was incomplete, but we get the roughened. I could see it. He got tripped into him. I understand, but you still, you know, you can't do it.
Starting point is 00:11:12 I understand that. Okay, okay, okay. I understand that. Like, I've had that happen before. Coming from you, Debo, I respect it, for sure. I understand that. First, I think it was first and second down. They handed to Henry.
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Starting point is 00:12:33 listening on the free IHeart Radio app today. Hi, I'm Dr. Priyalkiwali. I'm Hurricane de Bolu. It's a new year, and on the podcast's Health Stuff, we're resetting the way we talk about our health. Which means being honest about what we know, what we don't know, and how messy it can all be. I like to sleep in late and sleep early. Is there a chronotype for that, or am I just depressed? We talk to experts who share real experiences and insight. You just really need to find where it is that you can have an impact in your own life and just start doing that. We break down the topics you want to know more about.
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Starting point is 00:14:11 Got to. Every man whoop a man, every good man, whoop two men, two of them. Third down. Herbie. Hey, he just run. Why you got that little light boy in there? But you got 26 in there like he's trying to block herbie. Stop me.
Starting point is 00:14:28 Stop it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Bimba don't break. Bit. Light.
Starting point is 00:14:34 Light. Very lightweight, 13 y'all sat. They got to punt the rock back over. Yes, sir. Come on. Hey, Bert down. We're here, we're here. Get the game well, it ain't number two.
Starting point is 00:14:49 Hey, you know, we go to dump it to him. He don't get a number two. Yeah. You know what we go do? We're going to go ahead. He'll give it the game well again. We're going to swing it to him. Swing that ball to him.
Starting point is 00:14:59 I'm telling you. Listen, man. Listen, when they get into his hands, you still got to attack me. A thousand percent. That's what I'm, I'm rocking with it. I love it. You got a target. That's why he's the MVP.
Starting point is 00:15:09 Uh-huh. Rogers next play. What is it? VSM. N-VS. N-VSW. NVSQ. Six.
Starting point is 00:15:22 All right. Then back the game well for a hot little one. Then we dub it to him for a hot little two. Fourth down, we go, I ain't going to lie to you. I'm sitting in there. I'm like, yo, just punt the ball, bro. Yeah. Yes, and that's a long, that's a long yard.
Starting point is 00:15:37 It wasn't like inches or nothing. We was, we was a, but we inside our own 50. I know. They just ran down up on us. Like, come on, man. Mm-hmm. We go for it. We don't make it.
Starting point is 00:15:49 Listen, hey, Cam, I'm going to let you know something. You was bawling all night. But when you touch push, bro, you can't push him down on his back. That's why he didn't make it. You got to push his butt like this, babe. Yeah, yeah. You turn it over on downs, man. Ravens get out there.
Starting point is 00:16:03 first down, Henry, go for foe. Second down. Yo. Edge. I don't know. But what? I know he's supposed to be a runstopper. But dude, Harrison can't move.
Starting point is 00:16:18 I know. And that's Andrew. And I don't even know why he on the outside. Like, why? I think the only reason why I would think it is because you had a linebacker guarding the tight end. If Andrews were to go out, he's at the end of it. You know what I'm saying? That was the only reason I was thinking.
Starting point is 00:16:32 They get 14 on that, bro. And then I don't know. I don't know what, I don't know what Queen was doing. What was, I needed to see, like, Derek Henry ain't cut that hard, bro. I know. I don't know what that was. It was like, I don't know. Maybe it was off balance.
Starting point is 00:16:50 I don't know. I was seeing some stuff from him last night that I wasn't comfortable. I was seeing some side shoulders going into the fullback. Like, you can't, you can't lean into the fullback and hit like this, bro. You got to be, you got to face him up so you can share it off that block so you can make that play. Like, first down, they give it to Mitchell. I think he popped three.
Starting point is 00:17:08 Second down. Again, Henry, I think he popped two. Third down and five. Hey, hey, we chased that boy down. That was a lot. We got to keep the edge. But the harm, I'm loving the effort. I'm loving the effort.
Starting point is 00:17:23 Hey, you got to have 100%. When you went, hey, I'm going to tell you right now, 100%, Lamar. I don't know if we had to call him. But I'm so glad, John. I played a long. Thank you. Appreciate you. Appreciate you.
Starting point is 00:17:35 Welcome down. I was a little nervous after, you know, got towards the end. I'm like, damn, maybe I shouldn't, you know, be careful what you wishful. Anyway. They get a field goal. They get a field goal. That's 10 to zero. Stillers, we get a nice kickoff return, but we get a hold, bro.
Starting point is 00:17:52 Ah. Come on, man. We can't do that. We can't do that. Not on a good team, man. Yeah, I think we hand the ball. We're trying to run. Rock now, we hand the ball to Warren.
Starting point is 00:18:04 The first two players, I think we ain't get no more in like three yards. Uh-huh. That's cool. Third and seven. Third and seven. Hey. That's what I'm talking about. You get the ball in the Gamewell's hands.
Starting point is 00:18:16 Who are he talking about? Check down. He gets you 12. He gets vertical. He gets vertical. He gets vertical, bro. That boy gets vertical. I'm talking about like a 43-inch vertical.
Starting point is 00:18:29 Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Give it to him. Hey, see. Hey, Warren said, hey, that's what they doing. It's sweet out there like that. Let me get, let me get Warren. Swing pass.
Starting point is 00:18:42 Swing pass. They were doing swing passes, quick to the flash. All these, let me get it to Jalen. Let me get it to. 17. 17? Hey, Zay. Let me go get 17.
Starting point is 00:18:49 Okay. And then, man, come on. This is what I was talking to you about, Debo. On A-Rod, on our passes. In the second half, we were five for seven over these deep passes. We need from ARA. And the first half, this one was big. He played great in the second half.
Starting point is 00:19:06 And the first half, a lot of dicks and dunks were over 10 yards. This one is a wide open receiver. John New, wide open. We need you to hit this. I love A.R. I'm going to say this to anybody, though. You're professional quarterback. It's not like he's getting covered.
Starting point is 00:19:20 He's butt-naked open. These are the big plays that we need. Because this is not a talent thing. This is just, ah, we need to anybody get that. Got to do that. Got to get it. We're missing. We miss it.
Starting point is 00:19:32 We ended up picking up four, I think, on the second down. We get to the third down. And I thought he had it until 95 hit a gear. Listen. Do you think if he would have thought of just running to the angle? No. No. No.
Starting point is 00:19:48 He had got walked down. He got to walk down. He got to walk down. He got to walk down. He got to walk down. Easy. That's why he stopped. He was trying to hopefully do the duck.
Starting point is 00:19:55 You know how they... Yeah, hopefully go by, but yeah, okay. Yeah. We end up going for the field goal. 57. Bank roll. Bank, bank, roll.
Starting point is 00:20:07 Hey, let's go. 10.3. 103. Hey. Baltimore, they get back out there. Yes. Or down Lamar get that good scramble.
Starting point is 00:20:18 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, come back here. I'm gonna need that. I'm gonna need that. I'm gonna need that. I'm gonna need all that. First and 20, they give it to Henry. Cam say, hey, man, where Henry go, I go.
Starting point is 00:20:30 We travel. We're running mates. I can't, yes, Cam Hayward, nothing needs to be said. We go together, okay? Second down, hey, High Smith said, I'm going to run you down also. Get over here. Hey, again, I like Lamar in there.
Starting point is 00:20:50 Lamar ain't that, he ain't a hundred. Nah, I like it. They give up, they do a give up play on third down, six dollars. Yeah, we'll let you get six on that, you know. Three and out, three and out. Three and out. Three and out. Now, we punt the ball.
Starting point is 00:21:03 Ah, they punt the ball. Hey, look, still let's get out there. And then we, we ain't, we need to do. We get right back. We do it. We do a three and out ourselves. Nice break up. That's a first.
Starting point is 00:21:15 You got to lead them to the sideline a little bit. That's the defense. He got to put it out. He got to put it out further. That's another pass on the first, past 10 yards. First half Jones. Like, he was throwing dots, but I'm going to just speak on the plays. Ava.
Starting point is 00:21:27 Just lead him outside. You know what I'm saying? More towards the sideline. Yeah. And then he was. pressured on that third down. He just had to get that up out of his hands. Yep. We punt, then repunk. Ravens get the rock back. And, bro, Henry. Yeah. Twanky one, bro. Off the rip.
Starting point is 00:21:48 Twanky one. Anytime we miss feel, misfit. My man, like, he got double crazy on this joint, though, right? I'm trying to figure out. Yeah, well, that way, I went to ask because I'm like, On that first run, 95 is getting doubled by both to do so. Who, whose fault is that one, Debo? I didn't know. You got to, well, he got to anchor a little better. Okay, okay, okay.
Starting point is 00:22:14 You got to anchor a little better. I'm like, got it. If you anchor a little better to give your people time to fill and get over. So it ain't, you know, it's a combination of both, but you got, you got to, you got to, you got to anchor a little better. When you, you know, when you one of those interior linemen and that, and that especially when you over to, you know, you in between that one and that two, area, that zero to that one and two. You've got to be that. Casey Hampton, prime example, dude. He's not going to be there
Starting point is 00:22:38 just holding two. I'm like, and I mean, it literally be one step back. Okay. Okay. Ham, drop anchor and that'd be it. He's not going to where. Okay, no, for sure, for sure. I was looking because I've seen no two dudes on. I'm like, God, that looks a little crazy. Yeah, we end up getting up to a third
Starting point is 00:22:54 and nine. Hey, Lamar, 20. Hey, what, what happened? Come on. Come on. They were shooting themselves in the foot. We needed that. We need all that. We need all that.
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Starting point is 00:24:13 It's a new year. And on the podcast's health stuff, we're resetting the way we talk about our health. Which means being honest about what we know, what we don't know, and how messy it can all be. I like to sleep in late and sleep early. Is there a chronotype for that, or am I just? depressed. We talk to experts who share real experiences and insight. You just really need to find where it is that you can have an impact in your own life and just start doing that. We break down the topics you want to know more about. Sleep, stress, mental health and how the world around
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Starting point is 00:25:39 Hey, third or 17, they get a little Zay. You know what I'm saying? Get a little laughing. Put a little laughing. punt a ball. Punt a ball. Still, let's get out there and we put together. Nice drive.
Starting point is 00:25:51 Beautiful. On this 30 and 9, this is what I'm saying to on this drive, the screenplay and Wiggins, or a fire move, like, that was the out route, but that's a, Wiggins strapped that up. With it start off with, though. What you mean? Jaylor for 15, obviously.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Okay. You can't forget about Jay, can't forget about Jay, Doug. 15. Hey. Go ahead. I ain't going to lie. Wiggins made a nice play on the second now, though. That's what I was saying.
Starting point is 00:26:22 That's that one-on-one. That was saying Wiggins was strapping PPU, but that's your best corner versus the tight-in. You know, that's okay. It's going to be. That's okay. That's going to be that. That's okay. It's cool. This is what I'm talking about.
Starting point is 00:26:33 Third night, hey. If he would have ran that fast, if he wouldn't have ran that fast, you don't think he would have got it on the first, first down? No, it looks a little different when there ain't nobody around you. I'm saying. I ain't going to, you know, when you got somebody else there, you know, I look fast until you, you put me next beside somebody that fast. You know, running by yourself.
Starting point is 00:26:54 The yard mark is gold. But when you, you know. I think if somebody running after you would make you look. look a little faster. No, not that they can catch you. It might make you nervous. You know, you start tripping and falling. That's like the movie.
Starting point is 00:27:05 That's like the movie. You know that. That's why everybody fall in the scary movie. Yeah. Okay, yes. Yeah, legs start giving up. Hey, man, we got Adam too now. Roger said, hey, we're going to hit Adam right there.
Starting point is 00:27:15 He gets a hot set him. Mm-hmm. Hey, then is Gamewell making it happen for a lap. Screen the Game Well. Listen, get the ball of man. Followed by Austin. He had Austin for 13. Mm-hmm. Nice little quick slant.
Starting point is 00:27:32 Hey, I ain't gonna lie. We got a little incompletion on next. But I ain't tripping, probably. I ain't tripping. You know why? Because second down, we go on head and we get eight. Swing pass. Yes, sir. Another extension of the rug. Put us in a nice third down situation. Across the nation.
Starting point is 00:27:50 M.V.S. Seven. He gets seven. Hey. Hey, ha, ha, ha, ha. Look here, man. Yes. We only got 15 seconds there. Yep.
Starting point is 00:28:05 We got to pass. I understand. All right. So we passed a rock. We passed a rock. But they finally, on the third down and goal, give us a P.I. P.I. It was a P.I.
Starting point is 00:28:19 Yes. Oh, definitely was a P.I. What you're talking about it was a P.I. For sure. We get the first and goal. And again, Kick the field goal. I'm kicking the field goal.
Starting point is 00:28:30 We're getting the ball back in the second half. I feel it. If we went on head and punted the first one, that wouldn't have gave him that three. Okay? We kicked this one. That would have gave us six. We six seven.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Half time. Had time we'd been six seven. We go for it. What the flip are we doing? Huh? Hey, that, I'm, that's, I can't agree with you with that. If you go go for it, I'm not as mad.
Starting point is 00:28:58 And push, push, man, run the ball down their throat. What are we, huh? Once we motion, once we do that motion, and we see that we're outnumbered, we got to be able to get out of that call.
Starting point is 00:29:11 You know what I'm saying? Because it's just that that's not a good call. I'm not mad at going forward. I'm not. Oh, I ain't going to lie. The call, the call for me was crazy. The call for me once we motioned.
Starting point is 00:29:21 And then, yeah, then to see the call. Huh? Yeah. Who? What? Why? When?
Starting point is 00:29:28 I was hoping. They was trying to trick them to get everybody emotional. But once you see there's two people over there. You know what I'm saying? That motion didn't work. We're outnumbered. You don't go there. So, yeah, that was a blow.
Starting point is 00:29:40 Yeah, we got zero. We got Nathaniel back. Yeah, zero. Ten to three, still. Half time. Yes. Let's get the ball back in the second, though. Big time.
Starting point is 00:29:50 Big time. What we do? We hand that ball. Hand that ball. Hand that ball. And that ball. More. What we do after the next play?
Starting point is 00:29:57 Give it a, give them again. Pick up the first down. Mm-hmm. Second down. I ain't going to lie to you, bro. I don't care that it, listen, that was the biggest play of the game. Biggest play of the game. They lost Hamilton.
Starting point is 00:30:14 That switched a lot of things. Ooh. Things got real positive. We scored 23 points in the second half. We had three points in the first half, Coach. When they lost him, I ain't gonna lie. I was hoping he was okay, but I was also hoping he was concussed a little bit so he couldn't get back in the game.
Starting point is 00:30:32 I knew he was going to be concussed, bro, for sure. I ain't go lie, I was kind of hoping both of them was. Well, me too, because that boy, Gilman. Oh my gosh, he was balling out there too. Tackling, making plays every like, yeah, he was hoops. Shout out to get him, for sure. Yeah. Third 10, we finally used flying roof.
Starting point is 00:30:52 This is what I'm saying. It's the second half now. The 10-yard passes is when, yes, the scene balls, fire move. And like you said, Kyle Hamilton is now out. Gone. Hey, that's him. Things in the middle are starting to get a little more open. Hey, thank you.
Starting point is 00:31:07 14. Hey. Say that. Hey, eight. Nice throw. The second and eighth throw right here, then this is when I'm down the second half. Is it different, when we say first half and second half? This is the beginning of the second half.
Starting point is 00:31:22 Yes, said, Joe. That throw. Debo. That 28-yard handoff that he gave the deal in the slot to that scene, you can't hand it off better than that. That's what you do. Call it a handoff. Boy, that pair was so good, I could have called that.
Starting point is 00:31:38 That's what he handed it off to him from 28 yards. Who, wanky, hey, I didn't do a 28-yard handoff. Like that. That was beautiful. That was beautiful. A-Roy with a 20-yard handoff. That was one-on-one, Humphrey, and late hands and everything. Hey, man, what that boy name is over there?
Starting point is 00:31:55 He always running the mouth crazy, man. He'll be on that thing. Butter, butter. Hey, butter. Butter. Where you at, butter? I ain't going to allow to you. I watched butter this morning.
Starting point is 00:32:06 I know he was sick. His reaction. He didn't even say anything. He said nothing. Hey, butter, you don't need to say nothing, baby. First down, Warren said, hey, go ahead, quick three. He made it happen. Make it happen.
Starting point is 00:32:22 Second and six. Okay. We end up getting you out. Shoes. Fourth and one. Hey, this right here is where I'm like, okay, let's do it. But put the muscle in there. Put the big bodies in there.
Starting point is 00:32:40 Camp came through for us this time. And gave a man a tush push that he needed. He said, hey, let's do it again. That's what we should have been doing. Same play. Same play. They know it's coming. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:32:52 You still got to stop it. You still gotta stop it. Double push. Double push. Coming out the half, man, now we tied 10-10. We tied 10-10. We tied 10-10. Hey, look here.
Starting point is 00:33:08 Look here. Hey, when it rains and paws, hey, no gain. Hey. Sixth down. James P.A. That boy got rid of it. And third down, hey, keep Lamar passing the ball.
Starting point is 00:33:24 I say, the more times he passed, the more opportunities we get for sex, almost an interception. T.J. Boy, that passed, the boy right there where he need to be when it should be. I and T.J. Pam Hayward with the Cliff Paul to T.J. Y. Come on. Well, you rat birds. You rat birds. You dirty birds. That was so beautiful. Hey, man, I really believe that I think that Ravens is one of the few birds that you could shoot all year round.
Starting point is 00:34:00 You get legally. All year round. Legally? I think so. I believe so, man. I don't know. I don't know. I could be wrong.
Starting point is 00:34:06 But when you are still a week, that's all we do. We hunt raven. Oh, we hunt. I was so hype, man. T.J. Y. And that joint made the play. Okay. Hey, first down.
Starting point is 00:34:21 Warren. Making a half. He made me. He makes it out of nowhere. Swing pass. Another extension of the run. We made at least 20 swings. He picked up the first down on second down.
Starting point is 00:34:35 Yes, sir. Hey. Hey. And they say, you know, we ain't going to stop there. Let's give it to him again. Seven. Yep. When one.
Starting point is 00:34:47 Third down. I think that was a PI. I think it was. I feel like it was. Oh, no. I think I was good defense. Damn. I know.
Starting point is 00:35:01 I think it was good defense. I go with you. I go with you. Yeah, yeah. It was good defense. But we can field goal. Mm-hmm. 13.
Starting point is 00:35:09 10. We up. Hey, Debo, that was, speaking of it, that was your man, Gilman, too. He made the play on the second and one, the 12. He was hoping he was out with the concussion also, but glad he was able to get back healthy. Who? Gilman, number 12. He made the play on it.
Starting point is 00:35:23 Yeah. I was still out there. I wasn't. Yeah, I know. I know he came back. I was hoping, you know, I was hoping they was healthy, though. Just 12, 14, I could have used. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:35:34 I ain't wish, you know what I'm saying. I wish it would be good. You could come back next week, but it ain't no next week. 13, 10. Hey, man, Ravens get the ball. And here we, you know, I bet. He hit us for a little three. And then I think it was eight for the first down.
Starting point is 00:35:51 You know, it happens. That's what happens sometimes. But I don't even know what happened. Reset. Reset. A. First, high smith. A.
Starting point is 00:36:03 That's how you attack. That's what you said. He just knocked buddy out the way. You like that? Why is he even there? Every time you got a tie-in on you, that's how we're supposed to look as an outside linebacker. They do not have an opportunity to block you. They should not have an opportunity to balk him.
Starting point is 00:36:19 He is a blocking dummy with a heartbeat. That's it. Yes, yes, yes. You're dealing with tackles. Those is when you have it, like somebody has a chance. You're dealing with tight ends, you're supposed to throw them out of your way. They're not supposed to be, it's Rouse on air. No question.
Starting point is 00:36:35 Then they got scared. They false start. Yep. You know? Hey, Lamar, guess what happened then, man? Lamar, another bad at play, man. Man, I don't see, we got people. We got, we got dudes like Logan Lee out there making plays now.
Starting point is 00:36:49 I didn't need Logan Lee. Shout out. Shout out. They go on here. We let, you know, we let Andrews get a little something. because you know, that's what we're doing. Y'all so far behind. Whatever, man.
Starting point is 00:36:59 Punt the ball back over to us, man. punt the ball back over to us. Stillish. What the, what the, what the, what the, what the MVP name here? Game well, brother. Game well. Game well. Hand it off to him.
Starting point is 00:37:15 Six. Hey. What, what, what, what, what, what, what, what that man name here? Fire move. Mo. Lou. Lou. to move.
Starting point is 00:37:26 Six. Screen. To move. Six. Hey, dragging him. Dragging him. I mean,
Starting point is 00:37:34 it really wasn't dragging him, but he had somebody there. They ain't stop him, though. You know what we're doing on first down? We hit Miller for five. That gives us a nice second down setup. Another screen. Another extent?
Starting point is 00:37:47 No question. Hey, who the MVP? Game well. What? It's opium. So, but the pick play. I think if I are a move, you got to make it, it looked,
Starting point is 00:38:04 it got to make a little, a little less, a little less obvious. Trying to at least turn the shoulder. And you looking back at the breath, like, you're trying to see if you're going to throw the flag at you. Hey, soon as you look, you know they're throwing it. Keep running around.
Starting point is 00:38:15 Keep on it. You look back at him, do it at him. All right. He said, if he look at me, I'm a hitting with it. Mm-hmm. Wow, he hit him with it. This second and 15. We pick up half of that, though.
Starting point is 00:38:28 A hot, a hot seam. Hot se, mama, we get the third and eight. Hey, we talk bad about people. Now it's time to talk good. Listen, it's time to talk good about your baby. Listen, I ain't go to my eye to you. Now, I don't know why he threw that ball to you that many times over there in Cleveland. But I know why I threw it to you right here.
Starting point is 00:38:45 That was a, and that was a bad little ball. It could have been easily dropped. He had to go back. He went back for it. He went back for it. Thank you, MBS. Thank you, MBS. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:38:56 You know? I ain't going to lie. The next play, we dives another bullet. Ooh. Oh, my God. When that safety, hit that speed. Yes, sir. Oh, my goodness.
Starting point is 00:39:08 That's safety? Who, thank the Lord. Thank you, though. You know what I'm saying? Long foul ball. No harm, no foul. No harm, no foul. We get the third and seven.
Starting point is 00:39:19 And we lie the Ravens of all people. These boys, what they got? Five sacks on the season? No. Seriously? I mean, I'm just saying it's something. It's low. I mean, I'm just saying.
Starting point is 00:39:30 Okay, yeah. The highest guy on the team, what, he got, five sacks, three, sacks, four. I think, I thought that was all they had. I don't know. I can't tell. I can't tell. They punt the ball over. Now, this is where it gets crazy.
Starting point is 00:39:45 Okay. The Raiders get the rock. We punt the rock over, man. And it starts getting out of control from here. Yeah. Starts getting out of control. Yeah. This is the fourth quarter things.
Starting point is 00:39:54 The fourth quarter was what are we doing on defense that we, that we put ourselves in positions to have this happen all the time, dude. Like, I don't understand. This one was, this one I wouldn't, like, Debo. The third and four, where you want to go to the, like, because it was the first day. No, that first play was Lamar hit flowers. He's a 15 on the out. Okay.
Starting point is 00:40:24 Then the next one, he, 93, Derek Henry gets two. He gets two. Lamar. Lamar. I thought he's had him and I scared me a little bit when he hit him because I'm like, I don't hurt him. Yeah, yeah. He got that four.
Starting point is 00:40:37 I'm like, dude. He got four. Okay, look. So now, this is what I'm saying. It's third and four. It's third and six. Third and six. Third and six.
Starting point is 00:40:43 Third and six. We have Lamar Jackson in our hands. So like, this is just like not, this isn't scheme bad wise. Like, no, like, if we tackle him, we have Highsmith there and 95. Like, we have to make that play. and everything is good. Nobody's tripping. The reason why he was free now
Starting point is 00:41:04 is because everybody's starting to plaster. So in the backfield, Doug has got to go over and it leaves the seam, you know what I'm saying? For the deep ball down the middle. So I'm just like the nothing would have happened if we have high smith. I want him in that position running free to just throw down, throw down, settle down,
Starting point is 00:41:21 and grab them. And then you get them back. This is one of these times where I think the rules of how you can tackle a quarterback if you do this or you do that. I can agree with you. Horrible disadvantage because normally, if you're coming in there,
Starting point is 00:41:36 you're going to the thickest part of his body. Yes. But you can't hear because if you go too low, they're going to say it's roughing the passer. Now you're going high to try and rap. He do the duck. That's why all these quarterbacks do the duck. Believe me, I'm with you.
Starting point is 00:41:51 We 100% should have that. It's no way we should miss that. That's just the way we got queen down the field. solo, Dolo, flowers. It shouldn't even be that way. He had him on a slant. And now he hasn't on a seam running down the middle of the field. Adjustment because we didn't get there and make the play.
Starting point is 00:42:10 We have to make that play. You know what I'm saying? So I'm not even going to. I can't charge that to the defense because I love the position we're in. Get him on the ground. I got two dudes. I don't just have ice sweat free. I have 95.
Starting point is 00:42:20 We're like, come on, guys. That's still nobody would be in trouble. Everybody's plastering back field. He's trying. He's trying to keep up. But like, no. If we get him down, Highsmith, nothing. Nothing.
Starting point is 00:42:31 We're good. We end up 17, 13 now. Stressing me out. We get the ball back. And Luke starts throwing him for Luke. He kicks that ball out of vows. Yes. That's when he started.
Starting point is 00:42:46 Yes. Hey, that's when he started. Yes. I knew. I knew he was going to do so good for us. Hey, hey, I knew he would go do so good for us. God. We're starting at the 40 now.
Starting point is 00:42:58 The 40. Thank you. Hey, first down. Quick screen, NBS. Get vertical. Get physical. Hey, hey. And then that man won't.
Starting point is 00:43:09 He takes it. He, baby. Fucking hella tackles. Yeah. He gets forward to next play. Uh-huh. I think we ended up getting to like a third and three. Hey, sometimes.
Starting point is 00:43:24 Hey, players mess up. Look, play's mess up. Players mess up too. Because you know what I know. If that player do something, he's going to get us back. He's going to get us back. Hey, he knows. Oh.
Starting point is 00:43:35 Gamewell, a little false up. I owe you. Okay. Let me put it in here. He'll go my I owe you. I come back when I got the payment for it, okay? So he's going to make it a third eight in here. Debo.
Starting point is 00:43:47 You know. I ain't tripping. Do you see this dot? Who is it? Who? To who? To who? To fire move.
Starting point is 00:43:56 Okay. Running over. Give my little nod. Give me a little nod. I'm on the sticks. I might run. I might, it's 30 and eight. I might run a little, just a little 10 yard out at the sticks.
Starting point is 00:44:08 No, I'm going to nod you. Yink. And then I'm going to get right there, right in the pocket in between the split safeties. Oh, my goodness. 30. 31. Hey, that. I started getting a little crazy, too.
Starting point is 00:44:24 Debo. Debo. Then we started running a little crazy, timeout situations. You look a little crazy. Hey, I ain't tripping, though, because you know what happened on that third and two. We got to go to who? Gamewell. This is the play.
Starting point is 00:44:40 This is the play that we should have ran on the before half. Something like this. Something like this. That? What was that? A handoff jump. You know what I'm saying? Not a back off toss.
Starting point is 00:44:52 Something going wrong. I think somebody's smoking dope. What is? we were doing. But we wouldn't got that. We went got that. That was huge. Hey, Gary said, I got you back.
Starting point is 00:45:01 Touchdown. TD. 20 to 17. Come on, Smokey. Bro. We get the ball back to the Ravens because we got to. Because we got to kick it off to him. Defense.
Starting point is 00:45:18 Defense, defense, defense. Three plays, bro. Three plays. And they don't score a touchdown. See? Wide open. Joe, what is going on back there on the third down, Joe? This is what I'm trying to tell you.
Starting point is 00:45:36 For the bread, we're in zero again. And I'm looking at Joey Porter, Jr. and Dugger. They're on that side of the field. They're communicating. This is a man to man. It's the worst eyes I've seen. That's not on Jalen Ramsey. That's not on Asante San Juan, Jr.
Starting point is 00:45:50 They have their men. So when Asante Sanctu has Richard, the fullback, in the man line of scrimmary. So he's blocking, making sure that he has his man. Jalen Ramsey is a spy. You know what I'm saying? So they're in zero. Joey Porter Jr. does this.
Starting point is 00:46:03 When you point to your man, it's like this, boom, we got the receivers over here, 81 and Flowers. So when Flowers ran that overrout and they started scrambling, his eyes are in the backfield. He starts running with the wheel route, which is Queens man. So if you look at the game, when you see Flowers catch the ball, Duggers running over there full speed, Jalen Ramsey's looking like whose man is this? Asante Samuels is looking like whose man is this? Miscommunication. got to have your eyes better. Stay on your man. And we're in zero coverage. So, like,
Starting point is 00:46:30 it's going to be a tough play. Just run with him. That's a, that's a, that's a D.B. Miscommunication play that's like, like, hell with miscommunity. You can't have miscommunication. Man, when you're in crunch time, this is when the play, you get tired. You get more focused. You stick on what you're supposed to stick on. Like, that's on. That's on. Why are we watching somebody that we got, no, that's your man. Go. Yeah, that's, I'm with you. We don't need to look at the QB, man. You don't. You don't. When you start. You are looking at the QB, yes, the QB looking at your man running. You're looking at his own.
Starting point is 00:47:00 Man, the man, you looking at your man. He's running down the field. It's a pass play. We have this happen time and time and time again. Yes, yes. Yes, yes. Are we not being taught? Like, hey, lock it, don't look.
Starting point is 00:47:17 Until you can put your hand on him, you don't look. I don't know. That's how I was taught by my linebacker coach. You don't look to you can touch him. We, the thing is, we sold out on making sure we went zero coverage a lot more than I expected. And that was making sure that we said they're going to have to pass. Because we're going to make sure they got a percent. They're going to have to run.
Starting point is 00:47:38 They're going to have to pass it to beat us. My thing is, if you leave these big plays, that's like, that's on guard your man, Dugger. I can't blame, I can't blame no. I know. That's what I'm saying. That's just man to man. That's a player fucking up. Like, not.
Starting point is 00:47:56 we down. Yes. One eightfold or 20. Yes. Three plays, bro. Three plays. How in the fiddle fattle, I don't understand that. I don't, I don't understand that.
Starting point is 00:48:10 Luckily, we got Aaron Ratch. Still, let's get the rock back. Aaron Austin. 16. Land. Beautiful. Too many women. Ealing.
Starting point is 00:48:27 Right after the two minutes, he'd get a high eight. Uh-huh. Followed by that man. MVP. Game well. That's in. So clutch, bro. Clutch.
Starting point is 00:48:42 Call him Gamewell clutch. I'm going to give him three names now. Call him Gamewell clutch. We get to a third in ten. Rogers. Austin. Double move. Hey, what you're looking at, son?
Starting point is 00:49:03 Ting Ting. Yeah. Hey, you gotta have them seven studs. You got to. That's a lonely place to do. You got to have seven studs with you at Heinfield. You got to. When you're at Accraza Stadium, okay?
Starting point is 00:49:15 When you're at Accraiser Stadium, any time from the end of November through January, you shit, boy. Gotta keep your feet. You know what the bus told me you got a stack. You got a stack. them cleats, man. You got to have two right here. You got to have one right here. You got these two down here. You got to have them low. You got the two right back here. High, you know why? So you can grip so you don't slip.
Starting point is 00:49:36 When you wear them speeds, baby, and all that right there, that's all come back together. They turf go kick out from under you. That's called home field advantage. We know. This is a lonely place to be, man. We know. Hey, we up 24 to 26. Bondswell, come on in there, baby. Come on, boss. Oh, Lord. Oh, my. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:49:57 No. Oh, I wish I, I wish you. Oh, my God. Everybody, I think everybody does the same thing. It runs away from the screen. Oh, no. Brough. Brough.
Starting point is 00:50:09 I'm, I. Brough. And this is the bad, bro, this is the bad part, bro. In my heart, I already know the defense's about to sell. Because we ain't stopped nobody. We don't close it out. And this is my- We closed out what, one game this year?
Starting point is 00:50:33 I know, and I'm thinking, and this is not a time for Ben that don't break. Like, it's like they need a field gold. They don't need, and they got three timeouts. So I'm, I'm thinking in my, I'm like, God, damn, it's not overtime. They just got to get in field gold range and we lose. We ain't never, never, never had this, bro. He ain't missed one all year. Hey, Ben, I don't know how long.
Starting point is 00:50:57 And 90 is 90 straight extra points. Brough. And then, on top of that, We kicked the ball off to him. Oh, my God. And the kickoff team. Say it down. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:51:13 He's in first down. He's in field goal range. I'm like, oh. Brough. Brough. They sail 55 seconds. Second and two. It's illegal formation.
Starting point is 00:51:28 What would have been a first time? That would have been crazy. Fourth and seven, bro. I ain't going to lie, bro. He just made a play. He did. But come on. Go on, man.
Starting point is 00:51:41 I don't. Oh, man. Likely? I know. He made a, yeah. I'm one. He made a catch catch. I know.
Starting point is 00:51:51 I know. I'm just one. I'm one jail. I'm one jail to try to go through his hands. Just trying to. Oh, that's what I was. Just punch through the hands, baby. You got to see like the ball is so high.
Starting point is 00:51:59 He's hoping that he's catching it at that high point. I know, but you want to go. But if you run to, run to likely and just try to punch, rip his hands apart. You know what I'm saying? So I was feeling for Jaylin, too. Like, I want him in that position. He got good ball skills. I'm thinking, yes, yes.
Starting point is 00:52:14 Oh. Now, listen, bro. I'm sitting there, okay? And I'm going to tell you, I'm, I'm beyond mad. So they go and they're doing one plate, and I'm like, hopefully Mara from this ball. Oh, they'll get to Derek and hear from it. They go to the middle of the field. Man, yes.
Starting point is 00:52:33 That was like, oh, my God, even worse. They've even think, like, oh, they put it to way he likes. They want to send it up. They wanted where he like it. Listen, I ain't going to lie to him. My son said, hey, he said, hey, Dad, you think he going to make it? Everything in me wanted to say, no. But I told the truth.
Starting point is 00:52:54 And I was upset and my heart was hurt. And I said, well, what the hell you think he going to do? They done drafted him. They drafted a kicker, son. They drafted a kicker. Oh, you started yelling on your son. And then my, hey, but my heart is like, oh, God, I hope he misses it. I hope he misses it.
Starting point is 00:53:13 But I'm setting myself up to not be hurt. Yeah. I can't be hurt again. Okay? I've been hurt too many times. Don't you know, loop. Loops that mother flipper. Put her right.
Starting point is 00:53:27 Aha. Yes, sir. Hey, I'm sorry for you, rook. But, hey, man, this is this where you got to learn, man. Sometimes, hey, hey, this is the, That's the football league, man. I mean, not for long, baby. Not for long.
Starting point is 00:53:42 And I appreciate you. I'm sorry. No, I ain't sorry. I'm lying. I'm lying. I'm so happy it happened. I couldn't, listen, that is your problem, and I'm glad you got it. Oh, my goodness, because it could have been the other way.
Starting point is 00:53:58 Do you know what I'm saying? It could have been ugly. Debo, end of the day, it goes down to that. They could have made the field goal, and then we're talking a whole different tune. Somebody got to. when somebody got to lose. Hey. I'm a fan.
Starting point is 00:54:11 I love Lamar Jackson, but it had to be him. Or it was going to be us. It had to. Boswell missed the field goal extra points. Boswell missed no extra points. Yes. This is what? Lou for the makeup.
Starting point is 00:54:25 Lou? You're going to have to shoot the loop. Listen, it's okay. It's okay. You got next year, I don't know what you guys' situation will be. I really don't care because we need to. to, you know, concentrate on Monday.
Starting point is 00:54:42 Hey, Joe, Monday. What are we on Monday, night football, Joe? We're playing the Houston, Texas and Monday. What's the record for the stillers on Mondays?
Starting point is 00:54:55 On Mondays. On Mondays. What's the record for the stillers on Mondays? Hey, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, look at my. Hey, this, like, hey, like, Hey, like Mike say, hey, this right here is why you do business with a 42-year-old guy, like Aaron Rogers.
Starting point is 00:55:16 That business done that. Listen. 100%. This ain't on nobody, but the offense, Aaron Rogers. Deepen, y'all sold on me. Hey, but y'all got, y'all get a chance. They get a chance on Monday night at home. And the play on.
Starting point is 00:55:36 It doesn't have it. Listen, we can get our first win in a playoff game since 2016. We have an opportunity and we could do it at home. Don't get no better than that, man. Do you understand? Now look here, man, like they said, well, like Coach T said, he had one hell of a quote. Oh, my goodness. You got the sound.
Starting point is 00:56:00 I'm putting that on the top. Go ahead with the sign. Go ahead with the sign. Make that kick. Season's over. Comes to a screeching halt and missing that kick and the winter. going on. You know how it is if my aunt had male parts, she'd be my uncle. All right.
Starting point is 00:56:18 If if was a fifth. Now, there's a thin line between squashing grapes and drinking wine. No question. No question. No question. Now, I will say this. According to who you're talking to nowadays. It could still be your aunt, but I'll leave that for another discussion. Joe, we go go over here and we go let you know that, that field goal that that may have missed. Still us had a priest come out that thing.
Starting point is 00:56:56 Bless it with some holding wall during pregame, man. Look at the video, baby. Lord, my shepherd, he know what I want. He know what I want. He know what I need. No question. Yes, sir. Come on, man.
Starting point is 00:57:12 All right. Hey, Joe, you want to know something, Joe? What's up, brother? Before every game, I have Holy Water and I got oil, too. I bless my shoes and my pads and all that for protection. God put on my arm, you know what I'm saying? You know how you use the word as your armor, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, no, for sure.
Starting point is 00:57:36 I love it. Yes, sir. That's good stuff. Hey, I ain't saying God play favors. But if I was a betting man, I'd have to say that God was a still fan. I'm telling you right now, boy. I'm telling you right now. He waving the town talking about here.
Starting point is 00:57:55 Hey, look. You know what I'm going to say with that, too, Debo? Because it may not be when you want it, but it's going to be there right on time. So he's an on-time, God. So this time is the still-as time. It ain't in your time. But it's going to be on-time. It wasn't in time.
Starting point is 00:58:11 And maybe now is the time. time for us to get a win. Come on. D.K. is coming back. Hey, we got that man, D.K. coming back, Joe. Joe, we got that man, D.K. coming. Hey, look here, man. Oh, hold on. What time? Oh, look here.
Starting point is 00:58:26 Your Browns, they did something. They won a game. I guess we got to. Oh, hold on. Look, Miles Garrett. Time out. Time out. I wish we could play this sack. I really wish we could play this set. Oh, you think he gave it to him.
Starting point is 00:58:40 No, he got off the age. He got off the edge. He got off the edge. Crazy. He got off the edge. And he went. Boom. And then got him on him.
Starting point is 00:58:49 He did this. He said, he felt this. He said, oh, it's Miles. No. He was running for Miles the whole game. He didn't run. The whole game? You didn't watch these little.
Starting point is 00:58:58 The whole game? The whole game. He put Aaron Rogers right there. Joe Burrell was throwing the ball under two and a half seconds. Then the whole game. And then any time, he was running. Boom, boom. That won.
Starting point is 00:59:10 Joe, he didn't even try and run. He didn't go out of his way. I'm not going to lie. He didn't go out of his way on that one. He didn't go out of his way. He sat down. He's protecting himself. He looked behind him and sat down.
Starting point is 00:59:20 He's protecting himself. He did like this. Debo, he's protecting himself. He's making sure. And leaving him to look at this way. He's protecting himself. It was Garrett that touched him. Nope.
Starting point is 00:59:32 He was protecting himself. He only did that brother Banked TJ's record, man. Miles got off. O'Bell got more hate for the Steelers than he do the Browns. That's all that was. No. Don't believe it. Miles Gary.
Starting point is 00:59:44 Hey, Joe, you can make up for that. I know you ain't happy over there. Huh? I know you don't like what's going on over there. No, no, no. Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow. I'm talking about Joe Burrow.
Starting point is 00:59:55 I know he can make up for that, though. You can make up for that, Joe. I know you ain't happy what's going on over there. Uh-huh. I mean, the off-season is here for you guys. I know you need to sit down with your family and you got to make decisions. And you need to think about your future. And you want your future to be something worth, you know, taking your kids to see and going back and looking at it and having a history, you know, a lineage, a legacy, a tradition.
Starting point is 01:00:25 And when I think about that, when I say those words, it brings those to my heart like this, like Dick LeBow, you know, Hall of Fame, you know. Joe, yeah, Burrow, look, look, Joe. You need to bring him to, you. Listen, we're missing. We're missing a piece, Joe. Oh, my. I'm talking to you. I'm talking to you. Look, Joe, Burrow, look here.
Starting point is 01:00:53 We're missing a piece. That would be that peace. Ain't no way. Yo, listen, you got to look out for yourself. You got to take care of yourself. I care about you, Joe, because I did do a year in Cincinnati, and I know what you. What you're doing over there, what you're facing over there.
Starting point is 01:01:14 I know what you're going through. I didn't heard it in your voice. I feel, I feel your pain when I hear you talk, Joe. Burrow! Burrow! Listen to me. Hey. Boy. Hey, hit me on the ground.
Starting point is 01:01:30 Hey, I'm going to DM you. I'm going to see what you're doing. Everybody will take care of Joe. Out in the body, be good. Listen, it's okay. No But this is time Where you need to start making decisions, Joe
Starting point is 01:01:45 It is the offseason for you It's over with Joe You heard of him You heard Jamar Chase He said he's going to do What everybody told him to do He can't hear to the Cancun He's going to Cancun
Starting point is 01:01:55 Joe I want you to go to Cancun Get you some rest and think Chill Chill You went through a lot this year Joe You been injured You came back from injury
Starting point is 01:02:04 You fought back for this team And what they do for you What they do for you They do for you. They play They try to act like it's your fault. Listen. Joe said he wanted to be fun again.
Starting point is 01:02:17 You want to have fun? Hey! We all be having fun, Joe. We all be having fun, Joe. Come on, man. Now, look here, man. I think your boy, Zach Taylor, he said he goes
Starting point is 01:02:34 a little irked how the officials delayed the game from Miles Garrett. I think we got a little bit of sound. Go ahead. A long conversation with the officials after the Garrett sack. What was going on there? There's five minutes left in our season. We're playing for our lives here.
Starting point is 01:02:49 And I remember talking to stop the game. And in a critical moment like that. And the refs just said that they made a decision that they were going to stop the game. And they said they tried to do it as quickly as possible. I didn't feel that. We didn't sub. We're trying to be on the ball and go and play the tempo. And the Empire just held the ball so that we couldn't do anything.
Starting point is 01:03:09 And I'm yelling at Joe, get on the ball. We didn't sub. We're going. And that we couldn't play. And so, again, trying to get an answer was not easy. They just said that they made a decision as a crew to stop the game when that happened. I guess it didn't matter when it happened. It just they were going to stop the game and let it happen.
Starting point is 01:03:26 And you weren't informed that. No, I was never informed to that. They didn't say one word. We meet with them in the 90 minute meeting before the game. They never said one word about that. Hmm. What life was you fighting for? Where were you going with this win or possible win that you think you could have got?
Starting point is 01:03:55 That was, was that win going to save us? I don't know. Maybe they're thinking about getting rid of it. I don't know what's going on. Joe just went on head and gave that man what he wanted. When didn't they stop the game for a little bit for somebody that didn't broke an, an NFL record. Come on, man.
Starting point is 01:04:13 What are you talking about? And you're playing in a nothing game. Mm-hmm. Honestly. You're in a nothing game. What you're really mad about, man? What is he really mad about, man? You know why he's mad, man,
Starting point is 01:04:26 because just anything that you could talk about besides them losing the game, something to complain about. And it's really kind of like, when somebody breaks the NFL record, that's normally what happens. And especially... I could see him being a little bit mad because you know how they even tell you before the game, the 90-minute meeting. All right, coach.
Starting point is 01:04:46 But nothing, you're talking about tempo, just trying to make excuses. Miles Garrett just broke the record, NFL record and NFL history. Neither one of the Browns nor your team is going to the playoffs win or lose this game. So what's a minute going to take, like all these injuries and stuff when they happens and you can't get on the ball? It's the same thing. You can't slow down for a dude that just broke an all-time record. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:05:07 For his greatness to being out there. So he's just kind of mad. That's kind of what, that's what, I mean, if you're losing, you're going to find reason to get mad. So I think that's what it was. Was it at the stadium? Yeah, it was at their spot, too. You know, I'm thinking he's feeling a little bit of jealousy,
Starting point is 01:05:26 a little bit of maybe in the, I don't know, man. When they come down to it, you know, he don't really want nobody celebrating on his field like that because they really don't get to celebrate on the field like that. They ain't got to celebrate too many times on the field for anything. Go for show. And then they double celebrated. Broke the record and beat him.
Starting point is 01:05:44 Broke the record and beat him. And, I mean, I ain't go lie. Again, I think Joe sat down for him. I mean, it was sort of like, you know, he sat down like chicken sit on eggs and he did not move. He felt the swipe. He said, hey, if I feel the swiping, you're there, I'm going to sit down for you.
Starting point is 01:06:02 I'm getting to, especially even the fourth quarter, you know what I'm saying? I'm just saying. But anyway. It could have been a strip set. That's what I'm saying. He went inside, protect the ball, sat down. Got you. Huh?
Starting point is 01:06:15 Huh? He wasn't even, it could have been a strip sack. Joe. He was protecting himself so it wasn't a strip sack. He said he knew Miles beat his tackle before he even, like, almost like he was off-size. So he got there so quick. He had, oh, let me get down. Let me cheer.
Starting point is 01:06:33 Bro, listen, man, you sound like this columnist that's salty that Miles. broke the record with, I guess, with the benefit of an extra game. Like, what do you think of the records that's being broken with the benefit of extra game? Like, it's an a asterisk next to them or something, though, ain't it? Like, something goes on. Like, you look at it. Dude, these rushing records, dude, these rushing records that these dudes is breaking, they was like, them Russian records were made like, with, like, 14 games or something.
Starting point is 01:06:57 Yeah. No, but I'm, I'm not, the league, it is what it is. It's one more game. So, I mean, these are going to be the next record. Records are meant to be broken. So if they put another game on it, if they can get it, it in the game is going to be 17 game joints. The 16 long records are going to still be there as long until somebody breaks him.
Starting point is 01:07:15 Like, your records aren't meant to stay there forever. He still got 23. And then when you talk about snaps, let's look at snaps. Miles, I think he did it in 500 less snaps. So you're talking about games. Games are games, but how many times are you out there, like opportunities to be out there and rush the passer. Strahan had 400 some more opportunities to do it.
Starting point is 01:07:32 And Miles still beat him in that. So I'm like, if apples are apples, you know what I'm saying? And like, if you go out there and do it, records are records, the league changed it. I'm not mad at Miles because he has to play in 17-game season. You can't make, like, that's your fault. But for the next generation. Like you said, he got to the highest number of sacks in the shortest period, time for it in NFL history. So, like, stop it.
Starting point is 01:07:56 It's kind of like, yeah. Stop it. All that stuff you're trying to put in it. Yeah, it don't matter. Like, put looking, if you look, really look into it, that man getting after a quarterback. Yeah, dude, just, I think it's a common. He's just salty, man. He needs something to have something to write about, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:08:11 But again, it's true. It is, though. It is another game. It's very true. And Joe did kind of sit down for it again. I will say that. Your boy, Stifansky, he's no longer with you guys. He was fired this morning, Joe.
Starting point is 01:08:27 How do you feel about that, Joe? Honestly, man, I am actually happy for the Browns. I'm happy for the Browns because now at least, I don't know. And we kept Andrew Barry, too, He drafted really well. He has a really good draft class. He believes in Shador. He likes Shador.
Starting point is 01:08:43 And I don't think that Shador is, I just know that the next coach that we get is going to have to like him at least and not like think that like, no, I'm not going to like rock with this dude. Be a legitimate firm guy. You know what I'm saying? Offense. But I'm glad that now we at least have a different direction that we're going. And it's not with the fans because I was not rocking with that. Andrew Barry's bringing in good players. We can do that one more time.
Starting point is 01:09:06 See what we can do. but I need a good coach to come in and now once we pick the coach, then I'd be able to let you know how I feel about the coach. Okay. Okay, I understand that. Yo, the boys over there in Vegas,
Starting point is 01:09:19 they fired Pete Carroll too. Ooh. I was, yo, and your homeboy over there again and he just got fired too. Over there in Arizona, nine straight losses. Nine. You know, it's a lead.
Starting point is 01:09:35 You know the lead don't play, man. what have you done for me lately? What have you done for me lately, man? What have you done for me lately? Look here, mate. The stillers. Play all back. We play.
Starting point is 01:09:53 We play Monday night. Listen, we go get, we go, we ain't got, we didn't run our time. Yeah, we don't ran out of time. But look here, man, we go keep going a little bit, but we go pick up on all that stiller stuff. We go pick up on that tomorrow and Friday and give you, give you exact. what it is that's going to need to be done, baby. But I guess yesterday, the Falcons, they fired Morris. They got five straight in a fire.
Starting point is 01:10:16 They got Morris and the GM up out of there. Huh? How that happened? Like, how that happened, bro? Man. They ain't placed on. I ain't mad at. I ain't, shit, we could look at him for the Browns.
Starting point is 01:10:30 Brough. They got rid of that man year two of a five-year deal. That's guaranteed paper. You're just letting it go. They don't care, huh? Uh-huh. they don't even care about the paper. Like, and he lost his quarterback, too.
Starting point is 01:10:45 Like, come on. Yeah, bro, I'm telling you, look, so we still isn't the playoffs, but the Browns now since we five, the fansky, we got Andrew Barry still. We need to get linemen and wide receivers. We're going to get our defenses coming back. Great. And we get another, we get Emerson back also,
Starting point is 01:11:05 another corner that's on the outside. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. How about that? What's up? Are you saying we again? Who are you with? Who are you talking about?
Starting point is 01:11:15 You got a stiller zone. You brought up the Browns. We talked about the Steelers the whole episode because now that my Browns are mathematics eliminated. So when you talked about the firing of Stefanski, I'm just bringing up what we're talking about next season. I got you.
Starting point is 01:11:28 You were saying we and we've been saying we disheeled and then you're saying we, but you're saying things of people that I don't recognize. You rock with me. No, okay. Okay. All right. Okay, I got you.
Starting point is 01:11:39 But you know what I'm saying. You're picking up with a push now. Listen, man, I was just bringing in clarity to the thing. That's all, Joe. Okay. You know, people like clarity. I like clarity. That's just, you know, that's just what it is, man.
Starting point is 01:11:50 Yeah. Yeah, it's okay. It's okay. I ain't shooting at you. I'm shooting at you a little bit, but I ain't shooting with like a, I'm shooting with a 22. You know, I ain't, I ain't trying to bust at you with 50, you know what I'm saying? Just a little deuce. Okay.
Starting point is 01:12:04 Just a little deuce. Just a little deuce. You know what I'm saying? I might hit you one. time you didn't even go know what's there you know what I'm saying look here man let's go into some of these super chat who covenant live donated $200 oh my
Starting point is 01:12:17 covenant life thank you thank you thank you look here what's covered like first giving honor to God and that holy water 1,000% can was playing can was playing like he was playing
Starting point is 01:12:32 for his last dinner a rod played like he would like he really knew Jesus. Yes. F the Texans and their defense. I ain't going to go that far. I ain't going to get disrespected. You know Texas, it really is the number one defense, dude.
Starting point is 01:12:46 We really go get into that. That's kind of, yeah. Yeah, we're going to get into that tomorrow, but, dude, tomorrow and the way it's go, yeah. But she said, after Texas, this is her. I'm not saying this Texas. F the Texas and their defense, but I'm a little concerned about Anderson.
Starting point is 01:13:04 Joe, make up your mind. You look. better in that color. Joe. Yes. Take up your mind. Brother, this is what I'm trying to tell you. All right.
Starting point is 01:13:17 Coving it live. Tell me. I won't wear it no more. But I feel like since they got mathematically eliminated, I was going, boom, boom. And then when they play each other, I'm rocking what I was walking with the Browns. Now we're going into the playoffs. I play for both teams. So, like, how are you going to shoot me?
Starting point is 01:13:32 You can't shoot the messenger? It's okay. Literally got blood in the game. Listen, man, listen, man, Danny the boys you want to know. Danie the boy, 1712, donate $7, man. He said, Joe, it's the Brown's gear. You shipped it out to Cancun already? No, it's not a Cancun.
Starting point is 01:13:51 It's just packed up for next year. You sure it ain't in the Cancun? No, man, it's packed up for next year, man. I got stuff all in the old. Hey, Danny De Bois, hey, man, thank you, man. Appreciate you watching, donate. And, hey, love the show. We love you, too, man.
Starting point is 01:14:05 Appreciate the love us, man. We ain't love. Come on, man. man, everybody love everybody. Everybody love me. Everybody love me. Hey, swing the towel for the dog. Yeah, teach me out of all that good stuff.
Starting point is 01:14:17 Look here, man. No, Monday night football tonight, Joe. Okay. Okay. Joe, what you doing tonight? I'm watching me some Texans film, Joe. Listen, I got to get into it because I really feel like,
Starting point is 01:14:34 I really feel like they're listening to us. I feel like, I feel like, I feel like they're paying me. attention, man. I ain't really seeing the Texas enough. I just did a quick icon, you know, I just looked at it real quick, and I'm sitting there, and I'm like, you know what, I need to go back and see the games against guys that play
Starting point is 01:14:47 similar defenses as us. You know what I'm saying? Like, I need to get there and see what it is that I need to do. You're about to study it. When we put the words out there, they do it. Hey, I was okay if we lost that game, but I wasn't okay if we lost. But I was okay if we lost it and Lamar did it. I was cool. But that's what we did.
Starting point is 01:15:05 Yeah. They're taking away. Bro, we was out there. We're tired of We need to get there, Joe. He was out there in zero, making sure you said, we're not going to lose. And then the second half, we was in zero coverage, making sure that they had to,
Starting point is 01:15:16 they weren't going to run the ball. So if they listening to you, Debo, they got to be listening to us, man. They got to be listening to us. So tomorrow, hey, we go, we're going to be talking about, we're going to be talking about next week's Monday game against Houston, Texas.
Starting point is 01:15:32 And what we're going to do? At Cresia Stadium, okay. and a, you know, a few of these other playoff games coming up this weekend. But, Joe. Yes, sir. Listen, we never go apologize for winning. We can't. Never.
Starting point is 01:15:52 That's what we're not going to do, D'Bow. A win is a win, and we go get it in. Because they say, if you got problems, people are going to be happy that you got them. Nobody's sad about your problems? Hey, look here, man. I'm feeling so good right now, Joe. Anybody ever been to a playoff game at Akrisha Stadium? Ooh!
Starting point is 01:16:15 Look here. Look here. Look here. You're giving out. I'm going on here to see what I can do. See if I can't get maybe two tickets. And if I'm feeling real good, if I'm looking at things that make me feel real good, if I'm seeing things that make me feel real good, because I feel real good.
Starting point is 01:16:36 sets of two. Look here, man, y'all, y'all come on back here tomorrow. And we'll let you know exactly what it's going to be. And again, hey, we wanted to thank the rat birds and loop for looping that thing for a rat. Butter! It had to be somebody, D. It had to be somebody. I'm so glad it was you.
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