Nightcap - Mike Tomlin LEAVES Steelers, What would you do if you FOUND $20M?! The Rip With Ben Affleck and Matt Damon Movie Premiere | Netflix Guys Night Out with Unc, Ocho & Joe

Episode Date: January 15, 2026

Join Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Joe Johnson for a special Guys Night Out livestream presented by Netflix in promotion for The Rip, featuring Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, premiering January 16, 2026. Unc & Ocho are joined by Jim Jones, Maino, Terrence J, The Kid Mero, Big Daddy Kane, and many more. Apologies for the technical difficulties early on! 0:00 - Mike Tomlin steps down as Steelers Head Coach7:18 - Charles Oakley joins the show16:43 - Jim Jones joins the show29:32 - Maino joins the show43:14 - Big Daddy Kane joins the show1:01:46 - Terrence J joins the show1:08:16 - Shuttle Ride1:16:37 - Red Carpet Arrival (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Club See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Explore the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts, and originals all in one easy app. Audible, there's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. Big news of the day. What we're here for? The RIP, Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, the movie is set up, it's like a heist. They walk into a room and there's $20 million. Now, the question is, you walk into a room, there's $20 million in cash.

They're police officers. How much do you keep? How much do you turn in? How much do you turn in? You're supposed to turn it all in. We're going to find out what they do. That's going to be the end. interesting part. So we want to, first of all, I want to thank Netflix for giving us this.

So thank you. I could not have done this without you. The big news of the day, Mike Tomlin after 19 years, steps down for the Pittsburgh Steelers. And because he stepped down, that means if he signs with another team, they're going to owe the Pittsburgh Steelers compensation. So it probably was a mutual agreement. Look, you do your thing. We're going to do our thing. We're going to move in a different direction. But to make it look classy. We're not terminating you because that's three coaches in 50 years. Chuck Nall took it from 69 to 92. Coach Cowan took it from, what, from 92 until 2006, 2007,

and then Mike Tomlin took it over from there. So they've only had three coaches in 50-plus in what since 1969. I mean, so you can't argue the success that the Steelers have had. But I think this was great for both teams because I do not believe the Pittsburgh Steelers were any closer, be it with Mike Tomlin. based on how their roster is assembled, the quarterback situation, the offense, I don't think they were close.

And having a non-losing season, that's not what you're really going for, Ojo. That's not the standard. It's never been a standing where to come to the Pittsburgh Steelers. They are a championship winning organization. If I'm not mistaken, they have, what, five, six Lombardy's. No, they have six.

So obviously, with the standard, being the standard, you can't be satisfied. We're just saying, okay, at least we don't have a non-lose season. We're above 500 this year. I'll be talking about it last night. I think they're going to allow him to walk away, and lo and behold, today, you know, he walks away.

It's shocking. I didn't think that. What did you think is, Joe? Man, I think Mike Tomlin took a good, hard look at the situation. It was like, you know what? Maybe I should take some time off. But like y'all said, I think it was a mutual decision. And I think he's going to get a coaching job somewhere

because there's so many coaching vacancies in the NFL right now. And it's a lot of jobs that look pretty good. I think he'll definitely end up coaching again someone. Be personally, I think he moves to the front of the list. I think he jumps in front of John Harbaugh. I think so. And you look, now what thought was, you know, Harbaugh has his pick of a pick. Now with Mike Tomlin on the thing, because you're talking about somebody that's been 19 years,

that's been to multiple Super Bowl. Yes, he's only won one one. He's won more division titles than John Harbaugh. So the Giants, that looks appealing. Atlanta, that looks appealing. Tennessee, that looks appealing. I think Mike Tomlin is going to have this choice. where he wants to go, where does he want to coach?

Does he want to take a year off? Does he do TV? Or does he want to jump right back in it? What if it's not even the NFL? What if he takes a college job? What if there's some vacancies in college? I'm not sure if he wants to have to deal with the NIL drama. But still, I think Mike Tomlin is going to be able to go anywhere

where this college level, what's the NFL, but he's going to have to go to a situation that's advantageous for him. But if you don't have a quarterback, he can be right back in purgatory like you were with the damn Steelers. Right. I agree. I don't see college with my comment. I don't either.

I don't see. And first of all, there's no college vacancies open currently. That hiring cycle, I mean, LSU's gotten filled by land camp and Penn State's been filled. So all the coaching vacancies have been filled. But they have a lot of them in the NFL. Arizona's available. Atlanta's available. Tennessee's available.

The Giants are available. I like the Giants. Hey, now it's been reported that LaFleur and the Packers are trying to work on a long-term deal. You got one more year left, but you don't want to be a lame duck. You want some security. And you want the team to realize, like, okay, because a lot of time, the players look like, man, you only got one year.

We ain't listening to you. So give him some security. Let him let the team know that he is in charge. But Mike Thomas, this shocked me. And you said it last night that you thought the Steelers would allow him to step away from it. I didn't see that coming. I did not see that. No, I didn't.

I mean, honestly, the right was on the wall. The right was on the wall. And the fire Thomas stuff, you know, the noise, it got louder and louder, it got louder and louder. The plans becoming, you know, kind of dissatisfied with just mediocrity. That's never been the standard for the Pittsburgh Steelers. So at some point, understanding, and the problem is, this is the problem. When you had been Rothensberger, you should have already had someone in place.

They didn't have a succession plan. They should have it in place. They didn't want to step on his toes, though. Green Bay gave you the blueprint. Yeah. They had Brett Barb still playing at elite level. They get Aaron Rogers. They get Aaron Rogers still playing at the elite level.

They get Jordan. Now you got a succession plan in place, but you wait, well, I don't want to step on running. And, bro, you can't worry by this feeling. Because guess what? He's happy. Man, they ain't draft no quarterback, but now look where you, look where it left you. So because, you know, Ben started to get older, you could tell Ben wasn't the same guy. So you, in order to be a head coach, and this is, I think, one of the reasons why coaches don't get close to players.

Because at some point in time, you're going to have to let your best player. You're going to have to let him go. You would have to make very, very tough decisions. Yeah. And so that's why I'm really surprised that Mike Tomlin decided to step away. But like you said, it was a situation where the noise, it is starting to get louder and louder. I mean, like, really, by Mike Tomlin? Yeah.

You've never heard. I don't think you heard that. I mean, like I said, I was, but we didn't have 24 hours. It's been a while. Of social media, like with Coach Noel or Coach Cowher. I know early on when Coach Cowher didn't have. But Coach Cowell went to the Super Bowl in his third year. Mike Tomlin won the Super Bowl in his second year.

Yeah. So he's had success and went back again, I think three years later, ended up losing to the Packers. But since then, we talked about it last night, guys, Joe, Ocho and I was talking, seven straight losses in the playoffs. Tied with Marvin Lewis for the longest in NFL history. Look, we love Marvin. He was a defensive coordinator when I was in Baltimore,

orchestrated a historic defense. He was your head coach. seven straight losses in NFL history, as long as the NFL's been going on, that is a record. That's not something you want to be a part of. Not in the postseason. That's not what you want to be a part of.

I'm like Mike Tomlin, though, for a number of reasons. First off, he's a culture changer. Yeah. You know what I mean? Absolutely. And not only that, y'all know this because y'all play the game, but he's going to get to respect any other players, all the players on the team.

So he walks in instantaneous. So wherever he goes or whatever chance he gets, like Uncantz, he probably jumped a, he'll probably jump hardball. Get a job, but, man, they know he'll come change the culture wherever he goes. Okay. I'm looking forward to it. If anything, shoot.

We got a special guest joining us for Boys Night Out. Good friend about it. I've been knowing this dude, man. He told him, baby. Ah, I took that thousand to hundreds. Huh? Hey, Olga, I owe you? Maybe we bet that thousand on the show?

For real? He'll develop some Amnesian. Yeah. You do all the thousand dollars. I got you. I got you. I got you. Thank you, Jordan.

I've been knowing this dude. This dude, we used to work out together, run track together, go break bread together. So it's always good to see him, even though every day, once in a while, we'll text each other. Man, you in Atlanta,

y'am in Atlanta. Let's go break bread. So it's good to see you, Ope. Talking about stepping down. Are you surprised that the Steelers and Mike Tomlin are parkedways? I'm surprised. He was there for so long. One of him and Harbaugh, the two coaches,

almost two decades. And like you say, you only can coach what you got. Yes. And if you ain't got it, you know, sometimes fans want you have more. And I think he got a lot out of the team he had. They were still missing some offensive pieces. You know, he tried, made the playoff. And, hey, they ran to a jugger all that's like.

Houston is the best defense in the league. So you got a 40-year-old quarterback. Yes. That's going to be hard to beat them young guys. It is. But the problem, and you're right, you can only coach what you have, but a part of his job is to make sure they have.

He's the charge of the roster. He chose to go and get a 42-year-old quarterback. I don't know what you were thinking, how far a 42-year-old quarterback was going to take you, especially in the cold. Most quarterbacks, as they start to get age, as they get older, they like warm weather. They like Miami.

They like Tampa. They like to be indoors. Second of all, when he had an opportunity, I think the thing is he allowed his relationship with Ben Rathersberger, not to not allow him to draft a successor to Rothersburg. Like Green Bay did, they had a successor for Brett Farm. They had a successor for Eric Rogers.

You've got to think you've got to project. You can't like think Ben Rothensburg is going to play there for 30 years. And so I think that's what really happened because in the way the NFL is set up now, it used to be bring your run game, bring your defense. And you could get away with a marginal quarterback. Right. In today's NFL, you've got to have a stud to play that position if you want to go far. You can make the playoffs.

But if you talk about going far and winning and challenged for championships, without that piece, it's not happening. I heard you in Joe talking earlier. Trey Young got traded. I'm surprised. But I think what happened, and Joey, we talk about this. In his absence, you saw Jalen Johnson go to another level. And you're like, hold on.

This kid young, he's six foot nine. He can handle the ball. He can dish out of a sense. He can rebound. He can score. Trey, we love Trey. But we're talking about a guy that's six foot tall that really doesn't rebound, that doesn't play defense. Yeah, let's move in a different direction.

Let's see what you get as far as that said. Joe, let's go to you first. Are you surprised that they finally moved on from Trey? No, I'm not surprised. I thought the writing was on the wall because they played so great when he wasn't in the lineup. And then you put the ball. You put the ball in the hands of Jalen Johnson, I didn't know he could play, make the way he does. I didn't need to.

Like I told you, I just told, oh, in the month of December, he averages triple double. Yeah. Like that's rare for a guy six, nine, handling the rock, he can score the ball, he can make guys around him better. And then the guys that's around him, they all lock in, play defense. They gritty, bro. They gritty. So I think they kind of showed when Trey was absent out the lineup, and obviously they was ready to move on from it.

That's why you don't let nobody get your father. And that's why when you buy a Bentley, they said when you buy a Bentley to keep low miles on it. When you sell you, it's a money back. Exactly. So I guess Atlanta tried to sell Tray, get their money back, and give you somebody else. But they really didn't get money. They basically got CJ on an expiring contract. Yep.

That seemed like the way they wanted to go to have some maneuverability this offseason. Right. So, I mean, Tray was the face of the franchise. I don't think Atlanta ever forgave them for swapping. You had Luca. You traded Luca for Tray. And I think Tray was perfect for the city because Atlanta, but you look at what Luca doing, Luca.

Right. Neither want to play defense, though, O. Neither want to play defense, but I think Atlanta didn't go to get the pieces of the fit with Tray. L.A. would get the pieces of that fit with Luke. Luca, correct. But Luca's still a problem, too. He's 6-6, Trace 5, 11, 6 feet. But my thing is, both are going to shoot the three.

I think Luka maybe get the guys involved more than the trade, but Tray is small. So in Washington, he can be okay because they need somebody to bring the fans in. Yes. And then his contract, they're going to pay him for the next three or four years. He's going to get his money. Yes. But they're going to see what can he involved with the team. Right.

That's going to be the thing. I think the biggest thing is also, Joe, is that being a great player on a bad team. They're a bad team. Just get your numbers. That's the number. That's what you go get. You'll get the number. You see that a lot in NBA.

Now guys get their numbers. They're getting paid. Teams, when they pay you that $34 a million, they want to see something. Yeah. Most of the time, a lot of these guys get their 34 million, they can't even go in the other way. Yes. They're not really.

They're not looking. And look, on really good team, you can't be paying a whole bunch of guys. You've got to, like, settle in there. Now, Oklahoma City, you saw what they did. They gave Shay his money. They gave Jay Dub his money. They gave Shep, yeah.

His money. At some point in time, you can't pay, everybody, everybody can't build a max contract. So they're going to start losing some of those auxiliary pieces, kind of like what happened with our Golden State. Yeah. They're retired and these other guys, going different places and start branching off.

So it cuts into your depth. But you look at Atlanta, I still don't think Atlanta is a contender. Even with CJ and Johnson and Dice and Daniels and Walker, I don't. They probably need about another piece or two. As far as Biggs, another rim protector,

a guy who can move, great in picking road, things of that nature. But I think they're on the right trajectory as far as, you know, where they're trying to go. Now, are they going to get there? don't know. But I like the team that they have. Those guys, blue collar workers. They got some guys who can score. And like I say, big fella, Jalen Johnson, he makes all those guys better. So they're a fun team to watch him. He definitely should be, he definitely should be an all-star.

Oh, he'll be all-N-B-A. Yeah. All-N-B-A-Labre. Yeah, all-N-B-A. Yeah, all-N-B-A. Yeah, all-N-Bu-A. Yeah, I didn't know he could come like that. But this brings up to the latter, the ball's blowing. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, there's standing around. What trade going to do to do the ball? Right. So now they're going to have more team chemistry. And when you get more team chemistry, everybody's going to, like, okay, go out and fight it in a night. Everybody's going to go out and fight every night. So now they go, like I said, the fans might be

mad and trailing, but they're going to see you, like, on the floor. That's what you're going to see the difference. Yeah, yeah. And ball hopping. Oh, I know you follow football. So what, what do you think? You see the first game on Saturday, you got the Broncos, Buffalo, and then you got the 49ers who went into Philly and pulled an upset. They take on the Seattle Seahawks. The Seahawks beat them the last game of the,

the last game of the season to take over that division. And then you got the Patriots, take on the Texas. And then you got, yeah, and the Broncos and Buffalo. Who are you like? I don't know. It's going to be tough. I've been saying you're seeing some of the probably best football in years. Right.

Guys, you know, going down to the last possession and the defenses, you know. I don't know that. I know they want Buffalo to be there. But, you know, you got to win the game to get there. Exactly. But I think I'm going to go with the young dogs. with Houston and I think even Seattle is playing great

but I think New England, Buffalo, I probably take New England, New England New England, Seattle in the Super Bowl. Wow. I like that. I can see that. A rematch a Super Bowl 49. There you know.

Maybe it'll be a different outcome. You got a baby Tom Brady. Yeah. New England. And they got that defense of Seattle. Defense of Seattle. Yeah. Yeah. Man, oh, appreciate you joining us No problem, man. Thank you guys. Boys, not.

I appreciate you, man. Oh, got me. Oh, gonna get that money to you. Yeah, 99. 99. Let me go. Let me go. He'll be old.

So let me go here. I'm going to collect oak money. I'm all that. I'll say it. I ain't wrong. I don't let nobody over this long. No. Oaks, say, he'll be a long sharp.

Tragronron. 10,000, 10,000 to 40, hell, man. You got to, you know, he don't cover it now. That's a hell. Yeah. I'm saying.

Appreciate your old man. Thank you, stop me by, man. Appreciate it. Gotta be some interest on now. Jay, fucking, what they do, baby? Huh? Oh, he's good to see your brother, everything good? What you're good?

What's up, bro? Joe Mo. Shit, Joe always got this shit on all right. Yeah. Man, we good, we good. What's good with it? Jay, what's up, baby? I'm pretty good, I can't complain, man.

Huh? Man, we got, I mean, hold on. Let me see what time to make your mind. What's you want to do? The gym is open. No, I mean, five o'clock? You out this five and that? You like this early?

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You know, you're a night out. You normally staring around midnight. I got to get the business done. I've got to wake up early and go outside and do some businessmen. Right. So what's good? What's going on for the day? I came to check all out.

We was going on. I appreciate that. We appreciate that. I appreciate that. Congratulations. You all for what you got going on. I appreciate it. I'm a fan and admire what you've been doing on both of your shows.

Appreciate it. Let me ask you this. You got music coming out? We got some music coming out. We also got a show that's been running, doing pretty good for this past three months. I'm excited. Hey, man, check this out.

Man, why you be going back and forth with everybody? Man, let people live, man. It's all them out. We live in an algorithm world, right? There you go. Ringmaster. And you can't let nobody just take no shots at you. You got to play.

And there's a, like, you know, it's only for so much you could take. You know, sometimes you've got to bust a little shot back. And if they fall for the bait, then you know how to manipulate the algorithm in your favor and bend it to turn it to make something for you, then I always take my negatives and turn them into a positive. So the more you put me in front of your explorer page,

the more I have to offer to those people that want to know who I am. Right. And why are you in front of this explorer page? Yeah, so you want their fans' eyeballs on you. Of course. And if they're not talking about you, then you're not doing something right. If you ain't got no haters, you ain't popping. It's always been that way.

Right. I heard you mentioned a number, the Chrome Heart situation. And Chrome Heart has, you're like, bro, I was with Chrome Heart 10, 15 years ago, and now I only do Chrome Heart because everybody wearing it, y'all tried to make it something more. And we was, when it wasn't popping,

Jones was in Chrome Heart. We were Chrome Heart. Shout out the Chrome Heart. I don't wear it as much as I used to. When we started, it was something that a lot of people didn't know about it. I wouldn't say I'm the first rapper to wear it, because I see,

but I'm the first rapper to bring it to the game that made an aesthetic for people to wear as a lot of people. 100%. And now it's commercialized. I'm not mad at it. They're getting their money. You heard? Like for a long time,

they've been under the radar for a very expensive brand. And now the kids then took it to a whole other level. So I'm not mad at what they do. Yeah. And the funny part about it, Chrome hearts and some of these other high-end brands, we weren't even their target audience.

No. We weren't their target audience. But because it's someone like Jimmy, and I can remember back in the day, because I'm older than you, I'm 58. So I remember seeing you in it and not knowing what it was. doing my homework and shoot years later, you know. I mean, most

of the high-end brands, we weren't the target audience. But you see, because, Jim, you remember this. I remember back in the early 2000, they made like Louis Vuittan and Gucci, they weren't making a number of extra large. Now they make double, they make triple because guess what?

Athletes got money. So if they go squeeze in it, let's make it big enough for them to pay. Athletes are entertainers. Yeah. They used to I'm trying to think I forget the brand. that the biggest shoe size they had was a 12. Well, a lot of people that got big money were 13, 14, 15.

Yeah. They'll make it fit. Yeah. Because before, if you wanted a big size shoe, I don't know if you know Freeman. You remember Freeman? Yeah. Yeah.

They was the only one that if you wanted a skin shoe. They got it. And you wanted the bigger size, you had to go there. But you see all these other guys. I'm like, wait a minute. We're letting somebody monopolize on something that we could get. It's just like cards. You know, remember, if you wanted to swayed

everything. You mean to tell me y'all to spend an extra 10,000? Well, I'll slap it on there for you. You put a sound system in there. They got hard and carbon. They got all these bold surround sound. They got everything. Cars even coming with tinted windows now.

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. You know, the car is going to come fully. You can order everything you need for a car right now. Anything that you would get out the market, it'll come on on the car from the factory. Yeah. You're absolutely right. band. So things of change.

What's the biggest change that you know, Jim, in the music industry? From when you first got in to what you see right now? How music is consumed, because when we did it, it was like a treasure hunt. We get to go to the actual music stores, go pick up the CDs,

put it in the CD and listen to it. Now they just got to pick up their phone and press one button and they listen to it. And the tension span is way shorter than it was when we were actually enjoying the music store. But most artists now, they got to create a lot of music, way more music than we would when we were younger

and things like that, because a law of that expectation of new, it's gone. These kids they listen to the music and it's over with. It was fun, though, Ocho. Oh yeah, it was. You remember the little boutique mom and pop shop? You go and you have them to play

it and you would actually listen to it. Yes, sir. And you listen to it. You could buy incense, you could buy, oh, you can buy cavils and stuff like that. And you listen to it and you say, you know what? Make your I want this, this, this on that, and then it turned you for the eight track at first, and then it turned to a CD,

then it turned to the MP3. Now, there's, like you said, I mean, you just download, you go to YouTube and you go to Spotify, you go to Apple Music, whatever the case may be. But the intimacy that you used to have, man, we really felt like we knew them artists. Yeah, right, absolutely.

Man, when BDK was out, hey, bro, let's, hey, man, that new BDAQ, let's go hear that thing. The booklet, even the booklet that we said, That was one of the biggest things. They have all the songs in the world. You remember the word. Where the state of music is right now. And have you been able to, how do you feel the transition for you

as being trying to evolve now that music is different as opposed to when you first started? I always try to keep up with the game. I mean, I'm not mad at anything. I follow the business. I've created my own business model when it comes to the new way that music is consumed and brought right now. And I've always been an independent artist,

so I've got to do things on my own anyway. right now with these distribution deals that these artists are getting right now, I've already been on it. So I'm pretty much already been in the lane. But what's new for us now for artists like myself was we're embarking on podcasts. And what this podcast do is give us another lifespan and entertainment because now people get to learn about our personality as opposed to just hearing us on music and things like that. So it opens up a whole new door for people to get next to us and for us to keep getting money inside the entertainment world. Right. Hey, Jomo, I'll pay attention to you on IG.

I see you got a barbershop. You sell clothes in there. You do your podcast in there. Yes. What else are you trying to do in that space, bro? Well, I have a facility in the Bronx called an IFC. I'm building a multipurpose content facility for music, media, fashion, and broadcasts on all levels. So we have sound stages, podcast rooms, LED walls.

I also have a sneaker store in there, a barbershop. in there, two studios, a grocery store in there. We shoot our own park, and there with Fab and Maine and everybody, let's rap about it. We have photo rooms in there, like, so it's a full. That's a one-stop shop. You got to go to that way. Yeah, 100%.

That's the way they do it now. I mean, shopping grocery stores, now they sell wine. They got a bar in there. You go, hey, they'll make your sandwich. Why you, hey, why you shop at a ride? You know, hey, they'll fix you a drink. Yeah. They'll fix you a drink in their hand.

They're going to keep you in there to keep spending their money. People like yourself, when you're coming town, like this is a place that you can go to, get multiple things done and get out of there. Not to mention the shopping, but like, I'm open 24 hours. Right. You got some dripping there for you, boy. 100%. I got to get the super tall sizes now.

That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Jim, you touched on this earlier because at first it was 8-track, then it became the CD, then the MP3. the iPod has become absolutely I think Apple don't even make iPods anymore so now the way that you're doing is that you like

the way we consume music is that you always want to make sure I'm in a position that I can have people consume my music and so what's what's the next transition is it always going to be because I don't think we're ever going back I don't think they're going to be some niche

where you sell a couple of hard copies and stuff like that. Nostalgiaity value but we're not going Yes 100% I mean I believe we're in a place where if you have the influence and your artists have been in the game, you can kind of curate your own business model when it comes to the fans that love you. Because if you have a group of fans,

a couple thousand, a couple thousand fans that's going to dive into everything you got, buy everything you got, you could make a hell of a living just for those small numbers every month. Just keep feeding them different things, merch. Like, it's this, you know what I mean? So for artists that been in this game,

I think this is a great time for them to really double down, on the legacy and all the work they put in to continue to make money. Because you're giving it directly to the consumer. Instead of having to go through this person, that person, this. Yeah, yeah, I get it. It's way easier now because everything is on the phone. So this is much as quick as you can go to iTunes.

If you are artists that have some influences, you can get the directed consumer. They're going to go right to your website and get what they need from you. So, I mean, it's a great time if you got hustling you. If you don't got hustle in you, it might not work for you the way you need to. That's the thing you say. You got to hustle. Yes. People ain't giving out free money.

People not, bro, you got to go get it. It's out there, too, man. It's out there. It's out there. Yes, it's out there. But you have to go get it. And, you know, the thing is, and a lot of times maybe, Jimmy, you say, you always been independent, but a lot of times the label took care of everything.

They did the marketing. They did studios. They did the collect. No, you got to do all that on your own now. but all that pie where they were taking, well, you know, we did get to sit in this collab up and we did book this studio and we did do this. By the time you get your money, you're like, well, what happened to my money? Well, we had to market it and we had to, you know, get the radio spins and we had to do all

this and Xyz. That's why you'll check little or nothing. Where if you hustle yourself, a piece of the pie. Big a piece of the pie. And that's what it's about. Yes, it is. So, man, I'm excited, man. Thanks for coming out.

Thank you. Really appreciate you coming out. hanging out with Boys Night Out. Netflix. Thank you again. The RIP. Getting ready to go see. Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Tiana Taylor, who just won an award. It's going to be awesome. I can't wait to see it. Let me ask you this, Jim. Let me ask you this. You walk into a room.

Let's just say for the sake of argument, you are police officer. You walk into a room. 20 million. Cash, unmarked bills. You turn it all in. How much do you keep? I turn in $100,000. God, shit.

You might be a good amount, but not a lot of amount. I keep it 29,000, $900,000. This has said he keeps it $100,000. They're going to be investigating someone. He better than me. You keep it off. What? They investigate you, Ojo.

They go on investigation. But I didn't know. Hey, Joe, you know. Listen, hey, who what? Man, you have to be a subterble. This is what we found. How about we looked and we didn't find anything? Lord, have we didn't find

Nothing. He's going to be in Mexico Yeah. You don't want to leave nothing. Oh, absolutely. Oh, you're sure. I ain't going to lie, boy. Hey, being in that situation.

Yeah. That's if it was three, if it was us three. Yeah. And we was on duty. Yeah. And we went in there and found $20 million. Yeah. Yeah, we're going to have to hold up on their call.

Yeah. We don't have to hold up on the car. But you're going to hold up on. Oh, no. We're going to hold up on. No, no. No, no. We, okay.

. Okay. It's what we're going to do. It's what we do. Okay. It's $20 million. $20 million. How long you've been on the 4th?

You get ready to retire, right? Yeah, yeah. I am. We just moved the process of. I was about to retire in 10 years. I just cut it down to $10. So you get ready to retire. 5, 5 and 5.

We turn it 5 million. We turn it 5 million. They won't investigate us on that. No. They're going to be. But you can't go out there. Cullin and all that. Yeah.

I already got all that, so not. Yeah. No, but I'm saying if you were a police officer. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, I'm not going to do that. You gotta leave, I don't know, police officers pinching. Yeah. Yeah.

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No. What's up, man? Oh, Lano. What's your? What's your? What's up? What's up? What's up? Boys, night out? Hey. The real? Yeah. What's the vibe? Man, what's good? What's good? Talk to us. Let's rap about it, man. We're out here moving. Get into it. What's you been on Lately? Man, we got that podcast. Yeah. You, Davey? You're me. You're me? No, I'm Nain. Jimmy. Yep. Me?

How you like the podcast space so far? I love it. I love it. I love it. What do you love about it so much? I love the fact that I could be honest and I could tell all my business. Right. You can tell your story before somebody else put out half of your story.

They can't use it against you when you put it out there. Did you ever see yourself being a podcast at all? Well, I had a podcast before. Okay. Right? So I was doing a podcast. It was called Kitchen Talk. And I did kind of good with it.

Yeah. You know, I wanted him doing a deal with Fox Soul. But when I did the deal with Fox Soul It kind of changed the dynamic It wasn't a podcast no more And then I kind of lost the heart of doing it Yeah You know

So because it wasn't It didn't feel fluent Right You know But with this Because we all We all got that relationship It's like y'all guys

Yeah You got a real relationship So it's easy to Yeah To kick it So who's on your podcast Who's with you? Me, Jim Jones

Right Fabulous Okay And Daveese Yeah That's all Yeah Because we had him all

And he was talking about doing the podcast. Right, so all four of us. So let me ask you a question. So what do you guys? You got mainly music. You talk sports. What do you guys?

No, we talk life, man. We talk fatherhood. We talk what it is, the balance, you know, life being in the industry, you know, and just topics of life. Right. You know, we can't just keep in, just music. Everybody's not going to relate to that. How often are you guys? How often do you shoot the pod?

We shoot every week. Every week. Every week, once a week. And we drop it once a week. When it comes to music, the state of the music industry today, what's your thoughts on it as opposed to what it was, let's say when you first started doing... Talking rap?

Yeah, rap. To where it is not special no more. Right? So everybody's our artists. So it's not something, you know, that's looked at it's so obtainable that it's like out of reach, right? So when I was trying to get on,

I was like, man, getting on alone, just getting a record deal alone, you felt like you just hit the pros. Yeah, right, right. You just got a deal. Like, you just went to the NFL or the NBA. But now it's just that you can just have Pro Tools, you can go in your mama basement, you can make records, you can go upload it on YouTube, and it's just not special, you know?

It's the quantity. It's so much of it, you know, compared to being real quality rap music. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that what's happened? Is that what diluted it down? I mean, you got every, you got more rappers than people on Earth. Everybody's a rapist. You got more rappers than people on Earth.

Right, right. Every time I turn around, and to no disrespect to nobody, because I get it, we all had a dream. We were trying to fight our way out of something, whether it was street life or, you know, prison life, whatever it is. Like, we was trying to make something. And, you know, everybody's still trying to make it, but the game is just not as special as it felt anymore. Like, when he be like, I'm a rapper, I'm like, you know what? I'm a little bit more than just that. Right.

You know? Right. So what happened to the game? What happened to rap? somebody, I've heard Keith Sweat was talking. He said the reason why R&B is not special because all you do is courage. See, R&B was supposed to be,

I think he said R&B was supposed to be, I think he said like four players. And now you're getting straight to it. Hmm. He's a, ain't no build, ain't no buildup. Ain't no buildup. Ain't no buildup. It's straight to it. So, I mean, but the music is supposed to be

the soundtrack of our lives. Yes. Right? It's supposed to be. Right. So if you're going through something, you're supposed to have something to go with that. Right? If you want a party, you're supposed to be something to go with that.

Right. So when you had Pock in them, you had music that kind of that you, it wasn't about clubbing all the time. It was about, like, something that you felt, something that you related to, something that you, you know, give you some inspiration that made you think, right? Now it's like, if you don't got a party song, then. Yeah. And if you ain't going viral, then what? What are we doing?

Yeah, well, nobody was talking about no bottle service. Now that I think about it, you think about rap from the 80s. You think about rap from the 90s. Even the early 2000s, everyone had a story to tell. It was a great story. Right, right, right, right. That's how they grabbed you first. Right, right, right, right.

And I'm about just talk about one song. Right. You have some artists that have not quantity when it comes to music, but quality. Yeah. Because you want to hear what story they have to tell based on life experiences. Because we tapped into those artists a lot more. You got a chance to actually know who those artists are. So the industry is not, they're not building stars no longer.

Right. Right. So there's so many artists right now that you're like, I don't know who this guy is. Correct. And everywhere you go, personal trip, business trip, there's rappers. Yeah. Right? And somebody might tap me and say, Shannon, you know who that is?

You know, I don't know who the hell is. This is what I'm trying to tell you. So there's more rappers than people on the planet. So it's just not that special as it used to be, man, you know. But I respect the game because it gave us the opportunity. be here. Right. You know, if it wasn't for, you know, music and the opportunity to do music and see the world, then, you know, I wouldn't be here talking to y'all now. What happened to the storyteller? You know, when rap first originated, it was storytellers.

Slick. Yeah, Slick, Slick, yeah. Who had BD. He's going to be joining us a little bit. Oh, yeah, Big Daddy K. Yeah, that's right. E. P&D. Yeah. You had Rock Hill. Rock him. K.R. K. Baby. Elite storytell. Starface. You had guys. You had guys. that can really tell a story. What do those guys go with?

I feel like those guys are still there. I feel like there's still guys that still... Maybe cold. Cold, definitely. It's still artists that do that, but it's just so oversaturated, right? It's just you turn on your Instagram and you're seeing so much of just over-stimulation.

It's just too much information, too many ads, too many, you know, artists selling something, So I think it's still there. I think if you look for it, I think you've got a lot of dope artists that still, you know, speak from their heart and make quality music, man. Yeah, I think the way we consume music nowadays...

Fats, microwave. Yeah, compared to back in the day, you heard on the radio, MTV or BET or the box or whatever the case may be now, like you say, we consume so much. IG TikTok. Right. Now we consume so much.

You're not even asking for it. I'm not even asking for it. But the thing is, you see what you said, like you would discover music on the radio, right? And then you would discover it maybe if you went outside. Yeah. Right? But now it's just like, it's on its device.

Hand-held device. Yeah. And the device is everything. We can move it differently. And it's so fast. We don't get, like, we would, remember artists was dropping albums two years. Yeah. They drop an album and then tour, put out videos, and in another two years they'll drop another album.

Now you gotta drop it every 90 days, they recorded. Well, the thing, the only way you could consume music back then was in your car or at home. That's right. It wasn't no phone. There was no phone. Right. And you wait, you're like, oh, man, hey, bro, I just got that. You could wait to pull that paper out there and put, plunge that eight track in or put that seat up or the 45.

You know, the 45, you know, okay, the 45, put it down. Right, man, please still. Right. Right, right. Right. Those were the day. Yeah. It's different.

And then, you know what? We get that a lot with athletes because we compare today's athletes. Say, man, I remember back in the day and the same is the natives. And I know they get that. You guys get that a lot. Yes. But is it fair to compare? No.

Because it's a different time. Yes. And the dynamic is different. Society is different. The environment is different. And the way we look at things, the way we look at sports, the way we listen to music. Yes. So is it fair to compare?

No, it's not fair. And the thing, you know, the biggest thing is that now, athletes have something to compare to them. They look at these guys. These guys are talented. The rappers now have broad of vocabularies and they are able to rap about more things than those guys wrapped about back in the day.

It's just, it's called evolution. It doesn't matter. You look at whether it's a horse is or whatever the case may be. They've gotten better over time. But people just want to hold on to their error, man. I ain't. That's right. It's like that common conversation

of LeBron. George. Yeah. Right? This is what we're talking about, right? So, Mike with legacy, right, in a shorter amount of time. Yeah.

LeBron with a longer career, you know, who's right and who's wrong. Right. It's just what you like. And the people are not going to let go because Michael made the shoe. People used to wear shoes just to the court. That's the only time you wore a basketball shoe.

Yes. You didn't wear a basketball shoe going to class Or going to a club. Right. You wore a basketball shoe. You were a football shoe. You were pooping. He made it to where as we went outside.

Yes. It was fashionable. Once entertainer started wearing it, it was a rap. And they started putting them in movies, guys dressing up with sneakers on. That's when it was a whole other level. But look how the kids wasn't even born. Go crazy. Go crazy.

Yeah. It wasn't even when these shoes came out. Nope. This kid's born in the 2000s. It's like, I got the jaw. It's like, you know what I mean? I mean, and you remember, man, oh, your mom and your grandma, like, boy, I ain't paying no $40 for no shoes. And then Jordan came out.

I was $100. No way. No way. Boy, you had to work so hard and so long to get $100 for a shoe. Yeah, $100. Do you realize how much $100 was back in $19? That's right. That's like, yeah, $500 now, right?

That was 40 years ago. Yeah. And people were lined up every once in a while you see it now, but mainly it's with a specialty shoe. This was a mass-produced shoe, and people would lined up miles just to get it. So is that a, you know, is that, does that say something about his greatness? Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

No, he had to be great. He had to be great. Because who, no other shoe in the history of what else? And when people had, and when athletes had shoes, man, when they retired, they stopped making the shoe. Yeah. You look at the weapons. The weapons, by, the converse. they stopped making it.

The Dr. J. Converse, they stopped making it. Corrine had the top 10 of D. They stopped making them. You know, everybody at first we were in the Chuck Taylor's. And then the Chuck Taylor's kind of went away because the technology with Nike with the technology. Jordan was the first athlete that once he retired, he was more, his shoe became more popular once he retired than when he played.

And it's like it's everlasting. It's never going to stop. So iconic, bro. Yeah. So iconic. And the funny thing about it is is, That man, they played in. The shoe, he's coming here, man,

and the shoes continue to recycle. Yep. Yes. Right. This is what I'm saying. It's still a line. And it's the classics. Yeah.

The ones, two, fours. You know what changed it? The Concord. When he came out with that black and white pat leather, and then the brands came out in 96, it was over. And then guess what? He came out with the cool grade.

Once he came out with a pat leather shoe. It was a wrap. Wow. It was over. It was over. So not only is he the most iconic player of all time. Yeah. His sneaker is the most iconic.

Yes. Safe to say. They can't top it. Nobody. Safe to say. Nobody's ever touching that. Nobody's ever touching that. You know what it's like?

It's like Michael Jordan. You can say somebody has more talent, but you will never see an artist. Do what Mike did. People fell out. Mike just came on stage and stood there for 10 minutes. people passed out yes Michael MJ wow

don't rip because it was special then because we didn't have this device in our hand we didn't see everything yeah

it was right it was too much access we got right now because it was a mystique to the people that we you know looked up to the stars and superstars and when you really saw them

it meant something right because you weren't see them on social media if you ever was somewhere That's Michael Jordan The only time you saw him was on the court Yeah First time I seen Big Daddy King

Pulled up on my block In the Bovo The white Volvo Tell him I told you Outside with his cable's on Yeah Oh my God, this game Because we wasn't seeing him

Yeah Special Yeah Special DDK with that guy Yeah With the high top Yeah

The suit He was the first guy With a suit And I feel like He was the first the first to kind of like start doing brand stuff. Yeah, he was. He modeled with Madonna. This is what

I'm saying. Stuff that people were by dog. That's by dog. That's by dog. We're doing it now. Yeah. Yeah. To broaden your horizons. Yeah. We'll get him in here. Mato. Hey. Appreciate you, bro. Appreciate you. Pete. Yes, sir.

Love. That's my dog. Meadow. Good to see you. Hey. Appreciate you, bro. What's so. Love. Kay. That's the bad. That's the. That's.

What's up, baby? OG, triple OG. BDK, hey, K, talk to us. I mean, this is where it all started. And you and I had the conversation when you was on Club Shay-Shay, and you was talking about Brooklyn, Bronx, buggy BDP, you guys, the Jews crew, All-Stars, and all you guys, talk to us about that

because you said, man, I just wanted to rap. I thought I had a talent, and I just wanted to showcase that. talent. Tell us, give our audience a little bit of how you got started in the rap game. Well, yeah. Basically, I started doing it because my older cousin was doing it. Okay. And when people in the neighborhood was telling me that I was good at it, I stuck with it. And my whole goal and objective was really just to be the best MC in the neighborhood. Okay.

You know, I'm going to different projects, you know, in Brooklyn, battling people, things of that nature, trying to take out whoever the best MC in this project is, who are the best MC in this high school is. And that was really all I could see until I met Biz. When I met Biz. And I met Biz when I asked him for a battle.

And then he told me that he'd be doing shows and asked me to get down with him. And then from that point, the rest was his story. We were talking to Mano. And when you and I talked, we were talking about the storytellers. You was one of the first storytellers. a rock him storyteller

Slick Rick. Slick Rick Slick Rick of storyteller. Well, Grand Master Caird is the first storyteller but Slick Rick is the one that's really patterned it and set of standards.

Yeah. Here's a little story not long ago. Yeah. Well, I mean, even before that, you know, lotti-doddy. Lottie. Lottie, dot.

And by the girl on the shoulder to me, shell. Yeah, yeah, yes, yes. Yeah. Will we ever see rap as it once was, the rap that you know, the rap that you grew up with, the rap that in, you know, 10 years when you were in, will we ever see that era again?

That all depends on radio and media. It all depends on radio and media because I see it every day. It's here right now. When you look at Lady London, when you look at Conway the Machine, Benny the Butcher. Yeah. There's artists right now that's doing what we did in the 80s, what artists did in the 90s. They're just not really getting the exposure. They're not commercialized.

So it's going to really be up to radio and the media. But they are here right now. Right. You know what I think, honestly? And that's a good question that you just asked. Will music ever be like it was in the 80s and 90s? Look at fashion. Fast is now history repeats itself.

And now we're back wearing baggy clothes. Bell bottle. Yeah, bell bottoms. We're doing something stuff we did in the 80s. We're doing some of the stuff we did in the 80s. Well, I ain't go back to the bag of yet. No, you didn't? Not yet.

Not yet. Okay, okay. But at some point. You ain't going back to the bell bottoms? Oh, no, I got bell buying. Yeah, you were the bell bottle. I smiled when you said that. Yeah, I got a few of those.

You know, that's really 70s. So I couldn't wait for that to come back. That polly up the bell bottom. Since 98, I've been sitting patiently waiting for the bellbottom. Yeah, I think music will evolve at some point, the same way fashion is, the same way everything has in general. Right. Where, again, we will have the quality of emcees and lyricists that we're used to hearing

instead of, I hate to use the word mumble rap, but at times I don't understand what people are saying. I just don't, I'm just going to be honest. And we're going to get back to our lyricists being more commercialized and sought after and being on the, you know, at the top of the hill. But even with radio play, BDK. Let me add on to that one second.

But like I was saying, it's here. Yeah, right, right. It just has to be presented mainstream. Right. Because think about it. Now, when you talk about back then, when it was lyrical, we also had,

is a missu kizzo whizzle whizzle-you know what so we had mumble rap too yeah yeah okay okay okay you know but i mean you know it's like i just think that it's a matter of the media and radio making it the forefront right yeah we were just talking about uh you was one the first ones to rap and have a suit on like what's your fashion it's or design come from so growing up like what made you get up and you know want to rap and be decked out like that well my father you know he was a dresser my My father, you know, he had mink and rabbit coats. He wore like the Gators and the Pierre Cardan shoes. Yeah.

You know, like, that's, I didn't even know that there was a such thing as a four-piece suit. You know, I saw my father, you know, put the way his on. You know, the pants, the vest, the blazer, and the duster. You know, I didn't know there was such thing as a four-piece suit. So, you know, as a little kid, you know, my pops go to work, and I put one of his suits on the stand in front of the mirror and try to sing Marvin Gayle, let's get it on. Yeah. So I was attracted to that fashion from childhood. Oh, okay.

But Marvin was a guy, Marvin Gay, Sam Cook, dressed on stage. But it was different. They weren't rap, but they were singer. There was crooners. But you were talking about the commercialization and getting back to produce some music. But when we actually get into our cars now, do we still consume music the same way,

or do we go to a specific station to listen to a specific genre of music? Because when I get in, all I listen to is the grooves. All I want to go to. We, who? Me, us, you. I mean, you actually listen to the radio? Well, we're 50 plus.

That's what I'm asking. Who you referring to? Do you think young, like 20s? No. No. Because, you know, I have a 13-year-old son. And when I let him control the radio, yeah, he's a DJ.

It's like, we listen into this. That song goes off. he turned to another station. Yeah. That go off. He turned to another station. That go off. He switched to media and put his phone on.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah, he's just all over the place. Right. So it's really hard because, you know, man, we turned to our favorite station with our, I was 93.1. And they just hits. You just, you just jam it. And you, I'm going to tell you something.

And I rarely talk about this because I know people will clown me for it. Right. But, bro, right now in 20, 20,000. I still have an iPod in my car. It still work? Do it still work? Let me explain something to you. I mean, but the car, the car, obviously...

No, no, no, listen. All you got to do is just lightning to USBC. Oh, yeah, you got to have a core. Yeah, okay, okay. USBC into the car. Right. And then the lightning into the iPod. Yeah.

And I was sit in my house and put together a nine-hour playlist and drive from North Carolina to New York, listening to that one playlist. Right, yeah. Yeah. So right now I have WBDK in my car, my own radio station. You understand? Yeah. Kay, we talked about, like, when we, that I was cool, it was cool to go to the Lamar and pop shop,

put the record on, put the hip on, you can listen to it. Oh, yeah. And you know what I'm saying? It was something special about that. The incense were burning, and you know, hey, make me an eight track. Yeah. And so you get all your favorites, put them on that eight track. You're good to go.

Then it came to CD. I missed that. There are no more Tile records. Yeah, they do have a couple of mommy shops when you go thumb through, because there was something to go thumb through those those and look at the 45s. Yeah, yeah, go freight digging.

Yeah, I used to, I used to, don't forget about the jukebox. The jukebox? Go on somewhere at the jukebox. Those we used to do in the diner. Yes, yes. Like after the club, you're in the diner. You put, you know, putting money in the jukebox here.

Put a quarter in that thing, you play. Yeah. The mom and pop shop. You miss those days, Kay. Absolutely, absolutely, because, you know, they focused on a lot of new talent, not just, you know, what was mainstream on the radio. You can learn about new R&B artists, new rap artists, you know, from the mom and pop stores. You know, artists that weren't, didn't have the record stands at the Sam goodies or the coconuts. Yep, yeah.

You know what, you know what I miss the most and this generation will never know? Soul train. Oh, soul trade. introduce you to more artists than any other, that Soul Train and American Bandstand. And everybody would run home because you know at 12 o'clock or 1 o'clock, foo!

Then hit this trip in America. Oh, yeah, nah, it was beautiful, man. I mean, I used to love watching Soul Train and the Soul Train line, seeing the Scrabble Board. You know, even though the Scrabble Boat was always easy to figure out. but still just to see it. You know, I mean, that and hearing all the music

because you had artists performing their hits, but the dancers throughout the episode was dancing to a lot of B-side cuts that you may have never heard. So it was introducing you, you know. And to see those artists get up there, whether it was very wide or Terry Pendergrapher, Harold Melvin and the blue notes,

the stylistic, all. I mean, it was just like, but I do know this. The big bands, they're not coming back. Oh, no. Let me ask you this. And this is what I came, and I wanted to ask you this. You remember when the duets, you had Rufus and Shaka, you had Peaches and Herds, you had Renee and Angela, you had Stephanie Mills and Teddy Pendergraf.

You had fire and ice. Tina Marie and Rick Jane. Oh, my goodness. We ain't never getting that back. Will we ever see Duo's pair like that again? I would hope so. I think that something like that may happen for a project. Yeah.

Not as a group that want to make a career of it. But I think something like that may happen as a project. Marvin Gaye and Tammy Terrell. Barry White. Glodyne? Yeah. Barry and Glodyne, yeah. Their song they give a you is one of my favorites.

The funny thing about it is everything you just named, Ohio players, the IASY brothers, the sound of music has evolved to where those that, or even have the ability to sing in those groups. Don't even sound like that. Or the music they make, it sounds nothing like it did back then. Yeah, I still go. Like, that music is timeless. Yeah.

In any era, you're going to be able to listen to it. That big band in the 70s when you had the Ohio players, you had Earth, Wind and Fire, you had Casey and the Sunshine Band, you had the Bar Caves, you had Lakeside, you had the stylistic. That's, man. Oh, yeah. You had the Commodores before, before. a line of winner, you had LTD before

he, what was the guy, what was the lead singer LTD? Jeffrey Osborne. Jeffrey. Before he left. Oh, that's classic. Well, you know, I grew up listening to a lot of that real deep soul. So, like, you know, a lot of my favorite singers were like, you know,

Marvin Gaye, David Ruffin. Yeah, okay, okay. Willie Hutch. Okay. Bobby Womack You know Wilson Pickin I love those raspy voices You know Yeah

Those guys And like you said I don't know If we're ever going to see the duet Like you said Maybe for a project Yeah for a project But it used to be

The hero Stephanie Mills And Marvin Gay You mean Teddy Pendergraf Teddy Pinnigrant Yeah And Stephanie Mills And she this big

and voice was this be. Oh, my goodness. I need to see her in concert. I really need to see her in concert. No, she tears it down. Oh, yeah. Like certain artists from that era right now still Stephanie Mills, Evelyn Champagne, Sheila E.

Shane. Shelly E. Nice. They're cutting up to this day. This date. Like, let me tell you something, man. Back in 1987, there was a club called the Red Parrot. in New York. I had a show there with Evelyn Champagne King,

and they wanted... Don't lose your love. The promoter, and my manager wanted me to close the show. Okay. The promoter. Yeah. Evelyn Champagne King manager wanted her to close.

So I just happened to come to SoundChair. And I'm like Evelyn Champaign King is a legend, man. I don't want to go on after her. Right. And I'll pay homage. She need to close. Right. Nope.

I'm glad I did that. Bruh? When I tell you, dancing, then just left the microphone, started shaking the tambourine, playing the bongos, and all, like, yeah, she got busy. Man,

busy. Those, uh, Rose Royce was another group. No, those were and, you know, you wait, you, you go home because you didn't know who was going to be on Soul. Just not like now they were promoted. Yeah. You just, you watch Soul Train, and then everything was a surprise. Who came? Was who

came? Yeah. And boy, you were just by that TV, like, and especially the episode. is when Don opened up the mic and let you sing for real. What? You're doing with that long stick mic? No, I mean, like, you know, most people's lip syncing. Yeah, no, no, no. So when he, when he opened up the mic for people like Stevie Wanda,

Minnie Rippleton, James Brown, let them sing for real. When Meryn said, loving you. That's my root of mother. Lovering you. It's easy. Those women have voices. Tina Marie. Legend.

Ain't nobody knew she was white. Boy, somebody, oh, she's white. Get out of my faith. That woman ain't white. Sagan like that. Not singing that's a lot. Yeah, that one was hard to believe. But yeah, she was a serious soul sick.

Yeah. Gina was the truth, man. Rest and peace. Kay, what is it about women that soul? Because most of these women were tiny, tiny women. Huge voices. With huge, huge voices. What is about a voice in that, in that frame?

I mean, I don't know. I mean, you know, I can't really explain, you know, their anatomy, but I would assume that church had a lot to do. Yes. Yeah. Yes. You know, I'd assume the church had a lot. Yeah, especially you think about Fantasia.

Yes. Jennifer Hudson. Yes. But all those, you know, Aretha Franklin, all those women came, glad this night, all those women came. Whitney, came to church background. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, man, man, listen, Fantasia made me moving my seat, man. I had to catch myself, man.

I'm serious. We was doing a Patty LaBelle tribute some years ago. Oh, Patty knows she could say, you know. And Fantasia started blowing, and I caught my, I'm like, no, I'm not going to have me doing that. Like, I'll sit there squirming in the seat. Like, no, no, you know she had me doing that? She can go there.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know who else? Throw this out there, one of the best voices of all time, all time. Yeah. Kiki Wyatt. Oh, Kiki Wyatt is amazing. Yeah.

She's amazing. I mean, there's so many, you know, young singers today with, you know, spectacular voices. Fantasia Kiki White, Jennifer Hudson, Leila James. Jasmine Sullivan. Jasmine Sullivan. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of them out there. You still get excited to hear new music like you did when you first got into it? Absolutely.

Because of, like, what you were saying, like, you know, how it is today. You know, like a lot of people, you know, whenever, where most people like singing in auto tunes. and they don't really, you know, a lot of people that blowing ain't really in style no more. So when I do see a young artist doing something like that, like I'm amazed. I gravitate to it, you know? Yeah.

You know what? I had T. Payne on, and I didn't know T. Payne could really, really sing. Me neither. I didn't know T. Payne could really, really sing. I mean, as far as rappers, he and Cilo Green. Sele Green can lose. Yeah, Ciloh Green is the problem.

But, and he said, I said, well, I say, I say it, pain. You got a voice. could really, really sing. He said, but there ain't nobody paying for that. Mm-hmm. He said, they're paying for this. Mm-hmm.

He said, I had to get them what they wanted. Yeah. Yes, I mean, when you go back and listen to some of his covers that he's done, he did the Sam Cook version. He did Sam, Sam Smith version. Now, I listened to that whole last, that last project he put out. That's amazing. Like you said, I didn't know he could blow like that.

Yeah. He can get down. BDK, the legend. Big Daddy Kane. Bro, appreciate you, man. All the best. Good to see you again. All right.

All right. Good to see you. Big Daddy Kane. Love for you. Man, it's always like when you grow up and you meet these guys. I mean, I grew up with Big Daddy Kane. That's my era.

That's my era. And to see him and to rock him and the slick ricks and all those guys that. you know, obviously have a relationship with Scarface. Those storytellers, you know, it's kind of like in the comedic world, you look at Dick Greger really was the first one, and then you had a Cosby, and then you had Richard Pryor, and now you got Chappelle, George Carlin, Louis C.K.,

Bill Burr, someone like that, guys that not only make you laugh, but they make you think and they talk about things that actually happen in society. And right now, you know, Chappelle is at the top of that list. And when you had guys like BDK and these other guys that could tell you a story and make you think you're like, okay. And they rap in such a cadence like you said. You could understand. After I heard about three or four times,

I know exactly what they say, hey, I bring that back. Go word. Go word. Some of these guys, I listen to a thousand times. I still couldn't tell you what you're saying. That's because what they're talking about is not relatable. Right, you're right. It's not relatable to you, you know what the old dudes

talking about back in the day, you can understand, you can relate. How they... We don't. We don't. I don't age, out, out of whatever the case may be, but it's not the same anymore.

Yeah. Man, we were talking about if we went into a room, we were all police officers, federal agents, and we walk into a room, $20 million on the table. Of three.

I mean, we can go ahead, hold on, matter of fact. Let me help the people give y'all some visuals. Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. That, right, prop.

Yeah, yeah. The prop. DJ. What's up, baby? Farned, this is good to see you, man. I'm doing amazing. Good to see you, bro. How you doing?

I'm doing great. I'm doing great. How are you doing? Thank you. Happy New Year. You have a seat right there, bro. Yeah. We got a great question.

I'm glad you just. Yes, sir. Break a couple, bring a couple more. It's stacks. What's up? You know what you? You know what? What's up, baby?

You're good? Good to see you. Talk to me. Go ahead and lead it off, wrong. The money right there. We're going to hypothetically. We're police officers. Okay.

We walk into a room and there's $20 million in unmarked currency. It's sitting right there on the table. It's sitting right here. There you go. Right there. And nobody called it in. Ain't nobody call it in. No cameras.

No cameras. We walk in there together. 20 million. Okay. Unmarked bill. So they're non-sequential because that gets your trouble. We've got to be careful with that next sequential. But anyway, so we walk into the room.

What's our next plate? We could take turning something, right? There's going to be someone. I'm saying you can go get us federal a time. Yo, coach, 20 will get you not, right? Five. Hold on. You got to think about it.

They sent us, they sent us folks to go see if there's something in there, right? Yes. There are no cameras. No. So all we have is each other. Yes. Your word, your trust, you trust in me. If it's 20 million in there, we're taking the whole 20,

we're splitting in five. Oh, no, I'm good. I'm out. I'm out. I'm out. I'm going. No, sir. So we turn in 15 and we split five.

No, no, no. We turn it in five. We turn it in five. Yes. That makes me a little more comfortable. Yeah, but yeah, you can. We're going to be on the surveillance for a minute, though. If we turn in five, we turn in five.

they're going to be wondering. Hold on. That's it? Was there a little more than that? No. That's all we done. No, it wasn't. This is everything we got, boss.

And we got to, because, you know, I'm 10 years away from retirement, but now I'm 10 months away from retirement. So I'm going to have to live on a police picture. Yeah. And I don't know how much. Listen, I don't know how much. If you see it in from retirement and it's turning into 10 months, oh, yeah, they're going to investigate it. And we don't know where the money comes from. We don't know who.

No, we don't know who it is. We just know it's not ours. Who is unimportant at this point in time? Y'all making all the money. It could be yours. You might have, both y'all, y'all got so much coming in. You might have left some. No, but we're police officers.

We forgot. We police officers. We police officers. Okay. Yeah, yeah, I think, I think three, three point seven per. I think we can make that work. Now what we got to do is we got to hold one person out of the group just don't go haywire and go to doing something.

got a little business. Yeah. Yeah. Because once one person, they're going to be on all of us because they just sent to all of now. They see Ocho don't bought them a brand new house and all that. Yeah. I'm going.

I live in Dubai now. I'm out of here. Oh, yeah. We're in trouble. We're in trouble. We're in trouble. We're in trouble. We're in trouble.

We're in trouble. We're a man on the police salary in Dubai. Go on. What police do you know in goodbye? We're in trouble. Yeah, but you're going to get us. Yeah, you, yes. Who are you guys after my three, four, four, five, mate?

Oh, man. That's why we got to know who we're dealing with. Who we're going to. Yeah, I'm going. Y'all just go ahead. I'm going on. Y'all let me know what y'all done and I can call it in. Oh, man.

Ben, how you doing, bro? I'm blessed, man. I'm so happy to see y'all, man. It's good to see my family. It's good to see you as well. We're talking to hypothetical because of the movie, the rip, with Ben Affleck, Matt Dan and Tiana Taylor. And they go into a room and there's $20 million in cash.

And they're police officers. How much do you take? How much do you keep in? Do you take it all? Do you? And, you know, I understand, you know, people like, man, they're dirty. Bro, 20 million? 20 million.

You're talking about changing your life. That's life-changing money. That's life-altering money that you would never have the opportunity to make or let alone earn. Yeah, this is about... Whatever I owe you, you can take it right apart of down. I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest.

That's 50,000, so can you imagine 20 million just like this? You can't imagine that. One thing I've learned is that nothing is for free. Everything comes with. Everything comes with a price. Come on now. So, I mean, if it's there, I understand

maybe you, you know, you carve out a little something, but you got to watch out getting too greedy. Yeah. That's why we turned it in five million. And we were greedy, we take it all. Yeah. But, you know, hey, you know, I got to get my 10%. I got to give 10% over time.

Because if I get 10% at one time, they're going to know something. They're going to know something up. But, yeah, but I definitely, you know, break the church off. Mousinian missionary number one Baptist church. They're going to finally get that building paid for it. They'll get that building done. That building plug. just became complete.

But, uh, man, thank you for joining us on Boys Night Out, man. I really appreciate that, man. Thanks for stopping by. We can't wait to get over to the facility and check this movie out, meet the guys on the red carpet. But Terrence Jay. Love and respect. Thank you, bro.

Appreciate you. Yeah, good to see you, baby. Always a pleasure. Yeah, sir. Where's Ocho? Okay. I know he got that little weak bladder. Mm-hmm.

I am? All right. Yeah. Good morning, people. How you going, Twain? Yeah. Oh, what a beautiful thing. So now we're going to find out what they actually do in that situation.

We already know. We get to watch the whole thing out. Yeah. Anybody in their right mind, we know what's going on. I guess you have to get in the front, Jordan. Appreciate that, appreciate it. You know, I got some special stuff in them. You're... You're going to talk?

Yeah. Ocho don't got a pop. got a pop. No, we don't get pop. Listen, we're not going to get pop simply because I'm the cheapest one out of all of us. Joe live in the property. Chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill.

And I'm, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm the... We're police officers. We ain't living like that. We ain't living like that. Okay. How a police officer live? I mean, all of them live kind of... Or take.

Nah, I think, you know, what's a good police salary? $150,000 a year? Okay, $150,000 a year. I'm living way below that. So with $5 million on you in cash, you got to go stash it somewhere, because you can't go put that in the bank. I know what to put it.

Where you're going to put it? I'm going to have dogs, right? Both you all got dogs, right? Yeah. They be outside or inside? A little bit of both. Okay, do they have somewhere they sit when they get outside, lay down?

They'll be all over the place. No, I'm just saying, so you ain't got no kennel outside. No. No. Baring the money up where the dog's sleep. outside. Under the door house.

It's got it, it ain't gonna be at my property because that's the first thing they're gonna come dig it up. Where you go, where you gonna keep yours in? I can't tell you that, Joe. I can't tell you that. Come on, man. Look about where I keep it at. Ain't no tell it.

See, we already got conflicts already. I don't really know what's going on, you know what I mean? I just say, look, I don't want to know where you keep your money. I gotta wash my back, make sure somebody. See, we can't operate like that. We can't be keeping nothing from each other, man. Yes, we can. If we're stealing $20,000, now they got to be some type of trust.

We ain't still in $20. We're getting $15. See, there you go. That's what I'm talking about, Joe. That's what I'm talking about. See, I'm going to take both of y'all out. I'm taking both y'all out. Joe, I just think we ought to lead the money.

And hopefully we come across some more money at a later day time. No, no, no, no. No, no. We can't lead that. We get an opportunity of a lifetime, and we didn't run across this money. We just need Ocho to do right. He ain't. Why, it got to be me to do right?

Y'all need to do I didn't know other time. Take advantage of an opportunity like that. Well, okay, I just... God's sending you a message and then you go ignoring it. See, we know you're going to go start buying all the chrome hearts and all that. Me? Yes. I'm the cheap one out to go.

No, you know. I'm the cheap one. Because, you know, you got to put that shit on. You know how you go. You got to put it on, yeah. You got to put it on. You know, I got to put it on. I mean, I got to be cold with the men.

I got to. That's got to be me. Come on, O. No. I don't like that. Nah. Boy gonna get him a whole new set of frames, the hogs, oh, yeah, yeah. I see how you come.

I already know what going on. Listen, I mean, everybody knows that's not me. That's you. Listen, I'm a minimalist. Everything I do, I do in a simple fashion. Now, I can't help that when I put it on, it looks a certain way. See, that's just the problem. Okay.

I appreciate that. It looked like I done something, but it just me, it's my aura. It's the way I carry myself. See, when I walk, most people start with their right, but I start with my left. Oh, okay. Okay. Yes all? I just don't want to have to look over my shoulder in five minutes, man,

knowing I've done a little dirt with y'all. Yeah, it ain't me. You ain't got to worry about me, boy. Yeah, we do. Okay. We actually do got to worry about you. Actually, that's the only one I'm worried about. Hey, because you know, I'm closed lip over here.

Charter, how you doing? Right. What you're going to be? No, all of a sudden, you can't talk. You're talking the third most in here behind Ocho and I, and now you ain't got nothing to say. I'm a rip-ro premiere. Hello. Hello.

You guys are watching the carpet. Man. In-Aflict. Tiana Taylor. Chajee. Yes. It's going to be a pile of money. What y'all are going to do on a perfect?

You know what? You know, we're going to include you, Jada. We come into this room a 20 million. Me, you, Joe, and Ocho. Okay. How much we take it? I can't do it. Shadee can't be with her.

No, Shaddy. Shaddy, no. No, hell no. No, Shaddy. They're going to be on our ad. You know what? We're going to have to kill them. See what I'm talking about?

We're going to have to knock them two off. Say what I'm talking about? Nobody ever five. Hey, we had this conversation. You got to leave something. Why? Because it looks great. Oh, bad.

These four officers, the integrity. the integrity. Do you know what it took for these officers to see this money and to turn it in? And we stand there. They're going to give us a medal. They're going to give us a metal. What are we going to do with that?

That metal ain't paying no bills? We got $5 million. That's the one we want. Because guess what? That's what we want. That's what we want. We got, we got, charrede. No, I ain't going to say nothing.

You're not going to say nothing. No. The community ain't going to know nothing about this money. I got to want, I wonder who got a good, I got to know who got good poker faces, who ain't going to crack under pressure. Like, all that's going to come into account. Yeah, absolutely. Well, you already know, they're greedy. We're not greedy.

We just understand how this situation. You don't need that kind of money on the table. Yes, you do. You lead that kind of money on the table. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. But I'm trying to win.

You're putting it all out there. You don't say, like, oh, I'm going to leave a little bit for me, and I'm going to live the rest on the field. Well, the thing is that you don't really try to hold a guy and throw the guy down because you'll get a flag. But if I give him a little tug, they might let me go with that. If I throw the guy down, they're going to throw a penalty. So tell me what you're going to do with your $5 million. But you're a police officer with $5 million. They don't know you got it.

What you plan on doing with again? So now that's what police officers do, huh? Okay. You're going to jail. It doesn't define. Let me tell you. Let me tell you what else you... Right, the job don't define you, you to find a job.

Let me tell you what else you rooted in. The penitentiary. Yeah. And we all going down. They catch Shaidey. I see her right now. Oh, Joe. Joe, what?

They're going to go get you nowhere? Shade ain't called. She going to snitch on us? Yeah. Oh, why would I do that? You're putting your money in the community. I'm like, Shadee, where are you getting the money from? I just want...

I'm changing my number. Y'all can't call me. Because I already know y'all got to set up. I know y'all wired. And so when y'all call me, Joe, I'm changing my number. Yes. Well, we're trying to see what's about to go down. There you go.

I got you. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Wait to see it. Shell. Okay. So I'm going to walk them first.

So I'm going to have you guys with your solos first. Okay. Okay, okay. Okay. Huh? Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. All right. Excuse me? Man, look at all that money. There's $20 million right there. What's that, bro? Thank you, man. Check Merrill, baby.

Good. Like to meet you, bro. You all, y'all ain't gonna know what to do it. Y'all ain't gonna know what to do with that. Huh? Yeah, yeah. We're taking this. What you're doing?

You're not going to be in the Brooklyn? We got to turn a little in, Ocho. I'll take y'all. I'll check y'all. Yeah, yeah. You can't even imagine having that type of money. Cold cash. What are you going to do with there, huh?

In the flesh. Not doing anything with Charday and Ocho. That's what I'm not going to do. Me and Chad on the same pace, we don't need you to them. Y'all. This shit gonna be nice. This shit is fired. Yeah.

I see that. Uh-oh. Uh-uh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. How good of a room was your guy's side out? Because Merrill got his name? I see that.

I saw, baby. Okay. You got to come. And then... Where you been? I think... ...to seven years. But you're telling you.

I'm the captain. I'm like, yo. Because every time you come up, he comes up in every first story. Every other story. Every time we're talking about, yo, who's the time, fucking, yeah. Who's, I was like, yo, bro, Joe, yo, yo, yo. You know what this shit up here.

Right, yeah. All the time. All the time. I love watching out shit, boy. You play. Have you broken down four-pins, man? Highlight, bro. That nigga, look, when I was a rookie dog, he used to fuck with me so much.

He used to, like, you know, haze me so much so to have that moment on his ass, hell you. That shit is a play ever. Yes, I'm there. It's like somebody. It's like top 20, top 10, top 5, you can... Hey, bro, I was... I hated, boss. And I'm gonna get that guy, somebody got the gas.

Somebody got the gas? You have this money right here and you're gonna look at Roy of photographer. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited too. I've seen the trailer on this. I'm good.

I was gonna be crazy. It's gonna be crazy, but yeah, I'm happy to be a part of. Where you want me at? Okay. Stay right here? Oh, zippie, all right. Where I'm at? Right on the money. You're on your tip-toe? Cold cash. Doran, get them toes. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

We don't walk through the room. I'm talking about this. This is literally $20 million. Woo, shit. I'm going to be like this here. This fake money? That shit looks real. This is here?

This right here in her head? That's real. That's real. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Is that real? Hell no.

Yeah, there ain't on most of the paper. So I'm playing. Yeah. Like we at the strip club with them ballet dance would be at Ocho. He's doing nothing. I'm keeping everything. Bands. You're like, you didn't done that before.

You got some experience with that. He didn't done that before. I keep this one for myself. Think about it. This is actually $20 million in cash. Now, three people, me, Ocho and Joe, we can easily take $5 million apiece, leave $5 million. Everybody's happy. But no, not this one.

No, hey, hey, you know you got. We need to take it all. It's going to be at least one person out of the group you're going to have to worry about. They're just how it go. That's just how I go. We know what it is. No. I've just let it know.

We might have to knock that joke off. Yeah, for sure. I'm just going to go ahead and make peace with the decision that I'm going to have to make. It is what it is. Huh? Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, see? I might, hey, why I might be taking 15 hole and turn it. I don't know what other Ocho don't know what I do. I don't know what he is going to do. Guys, we really want to thank you guys for joining Ocho and I and Joe for the grand premiere of the rep star Ben Affleck and Matt Damon.

Hey, 20 million. The question is if you and a partner, three people walk into a room, this is 20 million in cash, how much do you keep? How much do you turn in? tune in to find out the rip. Up, Ocho, Joe.

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