Nightcap - NFL ’25 BEST MOMENTS Part 1: Micah TRADED, Chase SPITTING & LYING, Caleb Williams OT thriller vs Packers

Episode Date: January 8, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson provide the most captivating NFL moments from 2025. They react to the sheer madness surrounding Shedeur Sanders’ rookie season with the Cleveland Browns. Unc and Ocho are left speechless by the Dallas Cowboys’ shocking trade of Micah Parsons to the Green Bay Packers and Ja’Marr Chase spitting on Jalen Ramsey! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Micah traded to Packers24:00 - Ja’Marr Chase suspended for spitting36:52 - Bears stun Packers in OT with Caleb Williams to DJ Moore walk-off TD45:30 - Jets bench Justin Fields55:28 - Bills Sit Keon Coleman Again1:05:13 - Dart and Skat SHOCK Eagles (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you. So please subscribe or you're going to make Ocho crack. Ocho, the trade heard around the world last night the Dallas Cowboys did the unthinkable, trading the four-time pro bowler, defensive rookie of the year, a two-time first team all pro, Michael Parsons to the Green Bay Packers

in exchange for two first round picks and defensive tackle, Kenny Clark. The Packers handed Michael Parsons the largest, the largest contract for a non-quarterback in NFL history. He got four years,

188 million, 120, fully guaranteed at signing. Yeah. And 136 total guaranteed 188 million total Ocho

Yeah Talk about What the Cowboys Take your time You won't be to start it off Hey well I can start it all Because I listen I'm not You will probably get a little bit more in depth

And I will But I would just this chat Y'all stay with me real quick This is this is all ego This is all ego and pride On Jerry's hands When he did the deal And he got in front of the camera

He did some as always That he shouldn't have done one of the first things he said is this was a good trade and two we need to be able to stop the run now you bring it in Kenny Clark and again once again put the pressure on Kenny Clark and your defense and the coach and staff to be able to stop the run because who you play week one on who they play to Philly

they're going to Philly and what does Philly do extremely well outside of throwing the ball running the football now you can put your team in a blender doing the same thing you always doing is doing all that talking before it's even time to play and you ain't been in a NAN meeting room and you even been on NAM field

oh, letting one of the greatest young superstars of all time go and you feel your team has gotten better. How does that make... That's cliche talk, Coach. Oh, we got better. Really?

So if you felt that way, why were you trying to sign it? If you thought you could get better about trading Michael Parsons. Why did you even offer him $200 million? Now, all this time, the last four years they were getting run on, I never heard Jerry say a word about running on.

Now, I don't know about y'all, but the thing is, you want guys to go hunt the quarterback because the Kansas City Chiefs stopped the run. What did the Eagles do? They got after my home boy. Yeah.

Because that's the guy. That's the head of the snake. is your quarterback. Yeah. And Al Davis coined the phrase, the quarterback must go down and he must go down hard.

And it needs to happen early in the game. And all. See, again, if you watch the documentary, America's team, the gambler and the, and the, I think the Dallas Cowboys,

it was his ego. That's what calls him in Jaredi Coe. So now, he doesn't well we had a handshake deal what I mean do that man you cannot if a player has representation the owner or the nor the general manager can negotiate a deal with the player you must talk to his agent Jerry knows that

Michael probably thought I'm shaking hand on your hey man Jerry Jerry said well you shook my hand we got a deal it's been reported that Michael said, okay, Jerry, call my agent. Then, oh, we do the deal. I've done plenty of these deals. Well, you shouldn't have. The NFL should have punished you.

The NFLPA, he told on himself, oh, I've done plenty of these. Well, we have to argue. You also have to understand the leverage that Jerry Jones has. If you got an owner like Jerry Jones that says some of the things that he says out loud that owners are not even supposed to say, maybe think, but you never actually

regurgitated in front of a camera understand that the whole world is listening and watching. So you know he don't care enough about that. We talk about the same owner that you told me about sued the NFL. He had the nerve

and the goal and the Cajonis to sue the NFL and say, I'm going to get every day. And if I'm not mistaken, basically what? He did. He changed it. So what is that? the NFLPA going to do?

What they're going to do? There's nothing they can do because he doesn't care. He's in a position of power right now to be able to do what he wants because he just let the world know I tried to handle

contract negotiations without Micah Parsons' representation. All he's doing is telling you to his eye, I mean, to everybody's face. He says he's done plenty of these. Yeah, two middle fingers up.

Well, why did you do that with Dak? Why did you not circumvent Todd France? Hey, Dak don't play that. You know how, you know, if you don't know that personally, you know that and Jerry don't see eye to eye and he doesn't have that friendly, that friendly band to relationship with Jerry Jones.

Dak is one of the few players that actually kept it strictly business. Micah, Micah was like that too. Mike and Jerry didn't have. Micah did not have the same type of relationship that Jerry had with Michael Irvin or he had with some of the other players of that come along. Micah's like, I'm going to do,

I'm here to do business, I'm going to do my job to the best of my God-given ability, but hey, it is a business and I want to keep it moving. Now, me, and I'm just talking about me, guys. I think once, you know,

Jerry started saying all this stuff, you know, we pay him, who's to say that we're going to have him? Remember, he missed all these games. He's still calling the man Michael Parsons and not Micah. Even Stephen had to say Micah, you know, basically Micah.

So it's, I don't know if it was on purpose or not, but I'm just saying, Ocho, I think as Michael, as Micah started to listen to what this man was saying, like this man, this man don't respect me. This man don't respect nothing about me. Jerry think, I mean, you own the team, but you don't own me. And that's how, that's how Jerry thinking, Jerry thinking, if I pay you, I should, I should tell you coming in old days, the head. they say G and how you take get up your stop. That's how Jerry's mentality is. I'm just, I'm not saying that he don't feel the same way about the other players, but I'm just saying his mentality is if I pay you, you do what I tell you to do.

Nah, bro. It ain't like that. And as it is reported, I don't know, Jane Slater said that Michael says, okay, let's get a deal. Jerry said, nah, you're going to play on the fifth of your option or you. you can leave. We'll make it happen to you. All right. Because I'm not playing,

I'm not playing for 21 or 24. I'm not. So whatever you got to do, do what you got to do. So what about all, so I'm just trying to, all these years, because the Cowboys' weakness

over the last since Michael's been there or before he got there was the inability to stop the run. I remember Cleveland Browns ran for 300 yards. Arizona Carnals ran for 300. The Baltimore Ravens ran for 300. pick a team that didn't run. Jerry ain't mentioned nothing.

So if you just got better, because I remember when Jerry was there and chat, y'all correct me from wrong, all the time that he was telling you, these teams remind him of those Super Bowl winning teams. He just traded a player that was on the team

that he said had as much talent, if not more than no Super Bowl winning team. He just traded him and said he got better. Listen, Kenny Clark is good. Kenny Clark is good. Yeah, he is. He ain't no guy. He ain't no slouch.

He's 30, but we talk about Michael Parsons. We talk about Michael Parsons. We talk about a generation of talent. I'm going to the draft looking for a Michael Parsons, a T.J. Watt, a Miles Garrett. I'm trying to get. Those are transformational players. Those are the guys that you're trying to get. I tell you what, tell me the run stopper that's in the Hall of Fame.

They got a gold jacket. We were just talking about Leonard Williams. he's talking about how Aaron Donald changed it where they won't, they won't guys to get the deed tackle to go get double-digit sacks. They're different. Because they throw the ball so,

but they're so much emphasis on the passing game. I need a guy that can attack the quarterback. That's what Michael Parsons does. First of all, Jerry, you're not, you're going to have to, because here's the thing, Ojo, the way they're constructed this team, the Dallas Cowboys, the office is supposed to get the,

lead. The team is supposed to be ahead. The other team can't run the football. They throw, Michael Parsons go hunt the quarterback. What happens when Dak turns it over or they don't have this big lead? So now, because you constructed a, constructed a team that you lighten the bridges, you can't hold up when they boom and they come and boom. And they come and boom. Right. Like Marshaun said over and over and over and over. hit him in the face. That's what Jerry don't understand. So unless you're going to redesign your team,

let me know how that work out for you. But again, I would say that the trade, the trade is it's not even swapping in any way based on skill and talent at the positions. Kenny Clark is very good. Kenny Clark is very good. Yeah, he had a down year, but he said he had a foot injury last year.

Yeah, but Michael Parsons is a, generational talent. I don't care what people say. They try to hate. I don't care what it may be. I mean, if your eyes, if you know the game of football, if you watch football, you know, even for me as being a receiver, I understand what he brings to the table, regards to what team he goes to. He's a difference maker completely. He wrecks having. Oh, yeah. And, I can't believe Jerry did that. I can't believe Jerry said some of the things he said for it to even get to this point. And the more he taught the point. If you paid him last year ahead of time and tried the copycat with some of the other owners

doing around the NFL to continue to build winning teams, then you wouldn't have this issue. You would run into this problem. But your ego continues to get in your way. And it's been getting your way the past 30 years. Every time he talks, oh, your toe pops out. Because he got the whole foot in his mouth. So every time he talk, I see another toe. I said, there it is.

But I will say this. Look, look, when you get drafted. to somewhere. There's something, there's like a sense of loyalty that, you know, I want, you know what, I want to be a one jersey guy. I want to be one helmet. I want to stay here for the rest of my career. And I do believe Micah would have preferred to stay there. Me, okay, the Packers gave him 47 million. Ocho, but to stay in Dallas, I took 44. And let me tell you why. Because what can I do with 44 that I got to have 47? Because, see, and plus, now, it's being reported that the podcast caused some problems. See, the podcast is only valuable

when he's a cowboy. Hmm. And nobody wants, hey, they want to hear about the Cowboys, they want to hear about the boys, they want to hear about Jerry, they want to hear about Dak. I'm sorry, and this is not a shot at no other team, but there's a reason, there's a reason why. Yeah, it's different.

It absolutely is. One thousand percent. Anything, anything attached to that star, especially if you're playing there, you want to take advantage of that window when you are there because it comes with so much. Bro.

It comes with so much. Troy, media. Romo, media. Danny Don Merida, meter, media. Michael Irvin, media. What other franchise can boast that? Now, the guys that call, the color guys, do you know, the color guys? Troy, two of the prominent spots occupied by Cowboys quarterback.

Now, I know loud of y'all don't remember when Danny Don Meredith was, on was on ABC with Howard Coasell. Yeah. He was a cowboy. Michael Irvin was a cowboy. Mm-hmm. Moose Johnson. Cowboy.

Moose. Moose. Hey, swagoo. Cowboy. Yeah. That's not an accident. That's not an accident. And plus if you, look, Michael Irvin, they call a football.

Michael Irving make millions. Emmett make millions. And ain't none of them caught a football or ran a football in two decades. Michael retired before me and Emmett retired a year after me. So, and Jimmy, Jimmy just retired, yeah.

So think about that, Ocho. That's not an accident. So the money that you were going to be able to make, now, look, it's all mute now. It's a moot point. Mute means you can't hear. a moot. Absolutely. Anyway, with that being saying, it doesn't matter now, but I'm just saying if the opportunity would have to present it itself, say, okay, we got, hey, we're not going to give

you 47 because this really reset the market. Forty-four would have reset the market. That's $3 million more than what, what T.J. Watt got. So that's an extra 12 million. They went six, they went 24. So I don't have a problem. It hurt him, Ocho, because anytime they, a team you and say, hey, we good without you? Or the thought of it. Yeah. And I don't like, I don't like. This is what I hate.

I hate when players get traded, players that we know are really good, players that play for our team, and you know how good the player is. And when they get traded, then as, the fan start talking about, oh, he wasn't that good. Yeah, oh, he wasn't that good anyway. Like, come on.

You never said that when he was there. You're only saying that now. Again, that's your team. That's their team, Oh, Chow. And look, it's team because, guess what? Somebody else is going to wear that number 11 one day. All they see is the star on that helmet.

Players come and go, they're interchangeable. They've had great players with the Cowboys all the way back when they came into existence in 1960, when they drafted Bob Lilly, and they got Randy White, and they got all these guys, they got a lot of Hall of Famers. Yeah. And so that's what they see. They see, it doesn't, the name. Okay.

Yeah, we love Emmett. We love Troy. We love those guys. But guess what? We got new Cowboys now. We love them too. Well, hell, you just let a future Hall of Fame ago. And I know Michael wanted one of those blue coats that, you know, the Ring of Fame,

but you saw Jimmy and you saw, you saw Emmett and all those guys wearing those blue coats. We have orange ones. You know, somebody else. I think the Dolphins got that teal color, if I'm not mistaken. The Patriots got the red, got red coats. That's not going to happen now. Because, you know, think about how long it took him to put Jimmy in. Yeah.

Mike ain't, I mean, and it probably, look, he got enough money. And the difference was, Ocho, is that Micah's 26. In three years, he can go back to the table and get another big deal. Jerry wanted to do five years plus the, plus the fifth year option, which is six. He said, nah, nah, he said, we do four. Make sure he's not. You won't be able to come back in double-dip. Yep.

But, uh, Ocho, we had this conversation. Chat. Now, it was Green Bay. Man, people, they need to stop making up stuff. Ocho and now, we tried to tell y'all, when these, when these stuff, this stuff keeps leaking out, it's coming from somewhere. I know y'all don't want to believe that your favorite player, or they could potentially trade your favorite player or release your favorite player. I know you don't want to believe that. but where you think this stuff come from people so of all the things someone could have said

Michael Parsons to the Packers was what they went with of all the things they could have said of all the teams 32 teams 53 players per team plus somewhere between 13 and 16 practice squad guys of every storyline they could have said this is what they went with hey where there smoke there's fire where there is smoke there's fire you know and the first thing people want to say, well, who's your source? Don't worry about the source. Whatever you're hearing, they know how to get it out there.

I don't know how they get it out there, but they get it out there. This is how to get it out there. Hey, man, I'm going to tell you something. Hey, you ain't here from me. You know how you don't, hey, put your spin on it. Okay.

I'm just telling how it is. Oh, man. I'm not an inside. I love them, I'm not. And I don't really try to break no news. I could. I could, but that ain't, that ain't what I was,

when I was on CBS, that's not what they paid me for. They had Charlie Casley for that. When I was on Fox, that's what they had Jay Glazer for. I'm with ESPN. That's what they got Adam Schaefter for. I ain't breaking nothing. I'm going to keep my relationship because I have to be very, very careful. Because people got all over me when I said what I was saying about when Russ, man, well, how do you know?

I don't know. He ain't in the locker room. Right, right. Right. Okay. But I'm just saying. So I just said at that point in time, say, you know what, Shanna, it ain't even worth it.

It ain't, it ain't, it ain't, it ain't, it ain't worth it to you. I don't know. I'm just going to speak what, this is what, you know, for me, if I was in the locker room, X, Y, Z, knowing, knowing. But, but, Ocho, you could tell the more and more Jerry talk, the more. Oh, he made it worse. The more, the more he was like dug in. The more, the, the more.

He made it worse. Hey, you know what? he called Stephen A. He wanted to get, he wanted to get his point out there with Stephen A. Steven A. Sitting down with Jerry. Jerry's like this.

First time, we got him under contract for three more years. Nobody was in, you and I had that discussion. I said, Ocho, he got the fifth year option and he got two franchise tags. So theoretically,

he could be a jerk about it and says, okay, play on a fifth year option, franchise, franchise, okay, go ahead and go. But I didn't got seven years of service out you. Listen, and Michael, we're going to be a jerk. jerk too. You notice, you notice they say he was cleared for his back pain, right? So you know what

he did? Or y'all want to play game? So we're going to play the game. I'm going to go get a second opinion. And I'm going to make sure the second opinion I get. Make sure let y'all know that I can't play. He was going to play the game. Oh, yeah. So Jerry understood, okay, you know what? He ain't playing. He's not for the fold. He really fin to play this game. So it's been out. Third opinion. Might as well get, yeah. That second, that second opinion sounded too much like

the first opinion, so let me go get a third opinion. I need a descending, I need a descending vote, you know, three, you know,

um, look, the Cowboys say they're a better team. I don't know how you trade your best defensive player. I believe he, uh, he's the best,

he was their best player on either side of the ball. I don't know how you trade him and get better. We'll see what they do with the draft compensation. Um, You know, you could look at Houston and say when they traded Deshaun, they got better. They got C.J. Straub. Yeah. They got Nico Collins.

They got Anderson. So, you know, you know what I'm saying? Ocho, you could say, oh, they got better. They got some all pros over there. They got a franchise quarterback. You got a hell of a defensive lineman. You got a really young, great receiver. We did all right, Ocho.

We did all right. Yeah. Now, that's getting better. but I want to see what they do with the draft picks, but I don't know if you can't attack a team's quarterback, that's how they're built. You were built. They got undersized offensive linemen except Mazzie Smith,

but that's his job. Yeah. So in other words, you put all the, well, we didn't stop the run. Well, look at, look at my, bro, you sing, so you sing until now, because you guys got ran on, you put all that on Micah. Yeah.

Well, wait a minute. He said the problem is fixed now, though. He said the problem is fixed. We fixed. We got better. We got Kenny Carr. Therefore, I feel we can stop the run now. So now you don't put the pressure on them boys, and the boys ain't even play yet.

And they got to play the Eagles week one. So when things don't turn out how you said they are as far as you guys getting better to stop the run, and you got Sequan Barkley running for 250 yards on you, now you got another problem. Where Jaila Hertz ordered Uber Eats back there talking about what they got? I like the Mugugai Pan. I like the General Joe's chicken. I like the, uh, Hey, y'all got egg rolls.

You be back there smoking and a cigar chilling. Because Lane Johnson and Ma Lauder ain't to be played with. Ain't nothing by. Nothing by. How about how we gotten better, not realizing who you play week one. Do you remember the defense of them? understand the officer line you're getting ready to play week one are you sure are you sure you've gotten back hey and you got the commanders so we're going to find out i i you know look a lot of

times don't show you know hey we we all have it we all have it we make up our minds or something i don't care it might be the best thing for us but sometimes we'll cut our nose off despite our face i'm gonna show you i'm gonna show you you think i can't you think i can't live without you you think I can't be without you, I'm gonna show you. Sometimes we can't get out of our own way, Ocho. Yeah. And then when you realize the gravity of the mistake that you've made, it's too late. It's too late.

We've all been there. Chad, we've all been there. We've all, hey, you know, I can, they're plenty of fishing to sea. But as my grandmother told my aunt, you might not catch him. And Jerry, Jerry Jones had plenty to say about the biggest reason for not signing Michael Parsons because the Cowboys need to stop the run.

He also said, we can win more without Micah than when had we signed him. So if that's the case, why were you trying to sign him? Why was it such a big deal, this handshake deal? Why were you trying to get him to sign this contract? See, Ocho, if he had never offered Michael a contract, I could agree with everything that he said.

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in a family of athletes. Tune in to hear how she broke into the boys' club, what it takes to be pro, and why just being grateful you're here shouldn't be the price of entry. Maybe the industry thinks that we just started skating five years ago because that's when they maybe started paying attention. It's a no-fluff conversation about putting in the years, stacking clips and receipts, and still having to prove your worth

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The one game suspension will cause him over half a million dollars, $44,333 in a game check, and 58,824 in an active roster bonus. Chase plans to appeal and argue this one game suspension claiming that, if it was going to spit on Jalen Ramsey, he would have spit in his face and not on the man's jersey, the ground. Ocho. Oh, Cho, that's not, come on, Ram.

I mean, come on, Chase. He didn't even talk to the media. I don't. Although, that's what in Rappaport said, is that he said, if he was going to spit on Jalen Ramsey, he would have spin in his face and not on the jersey the ground. Yeah, I don't think he said that.

Okay. He declined to talk to media. decline to talk to everybody today. Obviously, you know, once you get out of watching film on Mondays, he declined to talk to it. I guess his team put that out. But anyway, I don't know how, I don't know. But first of all, you said you didn't spit.

So whether you were spitting on the ground or you would have did X, Y, and Z, you said you said you didn't spit. That's what you said. You said that after the game. Now, the, all that, oh, Cho, you know, they shoot everything. man, you know they shoot everything in 4K? Mm-hmm. And you could actually see it?

Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. You could see pimples on an ant booty from the moon. That's how good the cameras are, Ocho. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Chase,

appeal it. But I mean, I just think you should, you know, call Ram and say, bro, I'm sorry. My motion's got the best of me and leave, and because this one incident, this is not you. I don't believe this is you. I'm surprised. that we actually have Ocho not having this conversation

and you're the topic of the conversation because you're ensnared in this. I wouldn't have believed it. If you would have been the very last person, they said a receiver, there are some other names I might have would have went to, but I wouldn't have been. I wouldn't have put that it.

I wouldn't have put that on you. No. So I hope, I hope that's what, Ian Rappaport said he said, his team said, or he said, I don't believe it. I'm going to say, let's just say, but for the sake of,

but you did spit on it. Whether you would have, what you would have done, you spit on the man. And, uh, it's going to cause you, but you'll learn from it.

Um, I don't believe this is the type of person that you are. Uh, we've all done things that we're, we're not the, it's not our finest moment. Yeah. And don't,

I don't think this moment should define Jemar Chase. They're going to be, there's going to be a lot of other moments that we can look back and define, um, um, uh, uh, uh,

uh, uh, this is not going to be your defining moment. But the best the best apology, Ocho, is change behavior. Don't let something like this happen again, and we're going to be good, bro.

The funny thing about it, when we talk about change behavior, the players, I'm not just speaking on Jamar Chase in general. The change behavior, most of the time, he's going to make you forget about it on the field. Yes.

It's going to make you forget about it on the field. And we never had problems out of Chase off the field anyway. No, you don't. Never have problems from him. So when you think about hypothetical, if this scenario or this situation never happened and he just thought of some players that it would come from, it wouldn't come from him because he's one who causes no problems.

The problem he calls is on the field. Correct. Fuck as hell. That's it. That's why I struggle. That's why you struggle. Because you know him better than I do, and there was never any indication.

He's so laid back. He's so mad. If you watch him when it does an interview, he's sitting back, he chill. He's sitting back like. this here. All the time, yeah. So he, and a little bit that I've been around him, I've been around him a couple of times during the autograph signing. I saw him at the Super Bowl. He's a chill guy. Yeah. He's not one of these high, strong guys that, you know, that's liable to go off. He's really

mild mannered. Yeah. So that's why it's so surprising. But, um, um, you know, look, like I said, you know, this season was supposed to be different. They missed them. playoff last year he had the triple crown he's the first triple crown said my brother to win that and not make the playoffs my brother won the triple crowd in 92 they didn't make the playoffs yeah he won the triple crown in 24 they didn't so almost 30 almost well over 30 years yeah so it doesn't happen often because there's not a whole lot of people that win the triple crown it's hard very you got to have you got to have the most catchy yard than touchdowns versus everybody not just the NFC, but the AFC as well.

Sometimes you can have yards. Sometimes you could have catches. And then somebody nips you with touchdown. He had both. It's kind of like winning the triple crown in baseball. Yeah. Yeah, you could have a 380 baton average, but you got 40 home runs and somebody got 50. Or somebody drives in 135.

That's why it doesn't happen that often. Mickey Cabero was the last one. Then you got to go all the way back to Yass. Call you Skrimski. Okay, okay. Yeah. And they say who? Okay.

Yeah. So, or the same thing in horse racing. You know, hey, you might win that first two. Mm-hmm. But that mile and a half at the Belmont's. Woo. That's it. That's hell, boy.

Yeah. If you notice, not a lot of horses, it's just like, hey, forget it. They just, hey, they're like, I don't even worry about it. Right. We win the Kentucky Derby. We'll skip the preigness. We'll see you at the Belmont. Right.

I mean, it was such a long time. And then I mean, because everybody thought it was easy. You get secretary in 73 and then you get Seattle Saloo in a firm back to back year, 77, 78. And then it's like, well, it's, man, it's too hard. It's too hard. It's too hard.

And then you get American Fayreau do it. And then you come back with a justify Bob Baffer two horses. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard. You probably had more triple crown winners in baseball than you had in horse racing. Hmm. But, uh, and it's difficult.

Oh, yeah, for sure. And you, you've been, you've been to the Kentucky Derby before? I've been, Ocho. We got, hey, it's all about, Ocho, it's all about the hat. Yes. For a man and a woman, it's all about, I've seen women come with some hat and be barefooted. Be barefooted. Yeah, yeah.

I'm talking, because they, I don't know, for some reason, it normally rains. Yeah. But, they, Ocho, these, lady have these hats. I mean, one lady had a hat. I mean, this, this hat was way out here like this here. Yeah. And you know, you boy, we had to hand a hay. Oh, yeah, you, hey, um, you was at there sharp? Huh? You were sharp? If a fly lit on, if a fly would have landed on my, old chart, to cut his throat. Yeah, you see, you're messing me up. You're messing up the ensemble. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't, you know, I didn't have been there a few times. Obviously,

when I was in Cincinnati is right down the street. As a matter of fact, hell, I flew into Cincinnati and drove over. Throw down, yeah, yeah. Right down the street, man. It's a great event. I only did it one time. You know, I'm not in that kind of. That's why I met, I met Bob Baffer.

Okay, him and his son. At the time, I met a rest of soul, I think, D. Wayne Lucas. I met a couple of them. Yeah, it's a great. It's great. It's an awesome sport. It's unbelievable, Ocho. Because it was on my bucket list.

I've been to a World Series. Obviously, I've been to a Super Bowl. The Kentucky Derby. I want to do Daytona 500. Oh, that's a little. Huh? Listen, do me a favor. To give yourself some justice so you can understand the experience.

When you go to Daytona 500, do not let them put you in a suite. You need to sit in a stand so you can get the- Oh, if you're to feel them going around that track. Yes. Yes, you've got to be able to experience it. You got to feel those cars coming around, you know, the energy, the aura, the stands. You got to, oh, man, it's crazy, man. It's crazy.

I mean, it's something about when you feel, when you feel 800 horsepower, and it's 42 of those cars, and they go in 180, 190 miles an hour, and they're this close. They're this close. Yeah. And those cars are damn they're upside down. Uh-huh. Mm-hmm.

Unbelievable. Hey, boy, hey, hey, would they be, hey, they bump draft. That's a rest your soul to terminator. Dale Earnhardt. Boom, boom. Sling shot down in the back. Oh, man. I got to see that one.

I got to see that. I want to see Wilma because I went to see, I saw the U.S. open. I saw Serena. Mm-hmm. Who, she just got married to a, two, a couple of years ago to David Lee. She, uh, the Dane, the team. tennis player. She married David Lee, the basketball player. I saw her and Serena play

a semifinal at the U.S. Open on a Saturday night. What's her name? Wolzniak. Yep. She married David Lee. I think they got a couple of kids. Because I saw them in, I just saw them in Vegas. Maybe for the Super Bowl. David Lee, Michael Phelps and his wife, and it was

David Lee and Wosniaki. But man. Oh, I got it. I got it. Huh? Yeah, you look at your boy. Hey, boy, what I'm? Hey, boy, you clean, eh? Yeah, you see that boy in the flip sucker.

I see you, okay, you clean. You clean. Look, something. I feel something I pulled out. I was in a hurry. Was it a hurry? All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hold on. Hey, look, it's April. Oh, Joe, we might have to jump down there. Club Shesh, I mean, a night camp might have to go on the road at the derby. Hey, listen, I get my hat ready right now. Don't tell me. Hey, can you know when it, when it comes to me. putting them, put them things on.

No, I put that, I put that, I put that, you know what on, I'm ready. Yeah, we're about, we've got to go and do a little something, we're going to do something. Hey, hey, speaking of horses in Kentucky Derby, my daughter, my daughter, Chachau, she plays tennis, she's phenomenal. She's phenomenal.

And she loves horses. I said, I'm going to blame my mama. I'm going to blame my mama. We went riding horses this past weekend, before last. She asked me all about types of horses And telling me about saddles And I'm like, man, we're in the world

You learn all this stuff at? I'm like, she's really into it So I'm like, okay, okay, cool. Okay. Be in your pockets too. Hey, listen, so as soon as we finish riding, you know the first thing, Christmas coming up. So the first thing I do, I'm talking to the lady

We're on the trail, we ride and ask the train, I say, you know, what horses run? How must they cost? Okay, a thousand, 1500 for something simple? Oh, go back. What, please? I ain't getting that too expensive now.

You know, she's young now. So I'm like, okay, what about boarding? What about feeding? Do they have places? Do they have places out here? Yeah, that's what you spend the money. You know, they have bored? It's like, yeah, that's what's...

There's bored. So I ask her, I say, well, listen, I'm going to leave my information and, you know, send it to me. And the numbers and what it costs weekly, monthly, and for the year. And I'm thinking about, you know, getting my daughter. I'm thinking about getting a daughter. I'm thinking about to get a Pasafino. I don't want none too big. I want some of a little small

with a rider smooth and a Pasoino would be perfect for her. Yeah, I'm just curious. I'm kind of excited. I'm kind of excited for her because she loved him so much. And I think that would be one of the best breast surprises for one of, one of my 85 on Christmas morning. The thing is, Ocho, is that, yeah, you get a horse for a decent price.

You probably spend $1,500, maybe $5,000 on a horse. What you got to put into it, completely different. But to board it and to feed it? Yes. Yeah. And too, also, you had to understand where I live in Miami out that way, you know, because I'm further up north and west a little bit, ain't nothing out there but horses and stables. That's it.

And when you think Miami, you think South Beach, you know, all the nice stuff, but I'm out there in the, I don't even know what you want to call it. You know, you go to Walmart, you go to Target, and when you're driving, it's people riding horses up and down the street. like we in goddamn Texas. I'm serious. That's how far out I am from everybody. A new year doesn't mean erasing who you were.

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Green Bay was driving down the field, fumble to snap, and the rest is, as they say, history. They had a, got a, there was third and 20, and the guy grabbed Caleb Williams face mask. Face mask. Gave up life when he really didn't have to do that. But hey, you're grabbing. So, unfortunately, those things happen.

But Caleb Williams, 19 or 34, 250, two touchdowns. He wasn't sacked and he didn't turn the football over. DeAndre Swift ran him all 13 times for 58 yards, Cally. Monagot, Mana, Monagai. Monagai. Monagai. Monagai had nine for 50, Caleb Williams ran the ball three times for 30 yards. They had 26 rush 150 yards with DJ Moore.

Five for 97 on a big touchdown. They win this ball game. They look like they're gonna win this division. Who would have thought based on what they had last year, Ocho? But we thought with Ben Johnson coming in, you picked them to be one of your surprise teams, teams, them and the Carolina Panthers, to be one of your surprised teams.

And I think they surprised a lot. I think they're a lot better than people. They thought they would improve, but I don't think anybody thought given that division with Green Bay and Detroit still in that division, Ocho, I don't think anybody had Chicago pick to win that division. Just going to show you what the coaching staff, they brought in some addition,

they revamped the offensive line. New center in Dalman, new left guard and Thuny, new right tackle. So they revamped the offensive line. And they got a love lay. I love, excuse me. Loveland, yeah, the tight end, the first round draft pick. And he's been phenomenal.

So give the Chicago Bears credit, Ocho. Jordan Love leaves the game, but Malique Willis did not disappoint. He played extremely well. He played very well. 11, 121 yards, through a touchdown pass, the Romeo Dobbs, but it was not enough because this was all about the Chicago Bears. When they needed to get a stop, they got to stop. They bend, but they didn't break.

They made them settle for a field goal. And to get, because if they can't score a touchdown, games over. Yes. But they made them kick a field goal. They go down the field, getting field goal range, kick the field goal, go for the on side. Romeo Dobbs misplayed it. Uh, and, and given his concussion history, Ocho, I'm not so sure you want him there with those kind of collisions. Right. Because that's, they're coming. And they come in with bad intentions. Oh yeah. Remember now, Ocho, ain't no helping the hell with him on the on side now. No. That's a car,

that is a for real car crash. Yeah, but you also, you want, you want your players with your best hands and the ones that you trust the most in those such important situations like that, you want them on your hands team. Yeah. Also, Josh Jacobs, going in for a touchdown, he's formed with the football. That has been his history. He's had a history. He's had a propensity to put the ball on the ground. No, Joe. As we start getting closer and closer, we start in December and we move to more January, you've got to hold on to the football. You cannot turn it over. The ball is a premium. And it costs. And guess what? We didn't see him anymore. Yeah, yeah. We didn't see him anymore.

Listen, Emmanuel Wilson took over from there. Yeah. Josh Jacobs, you got to do a better job of holding on to the football. They know, they know you'll give it up at some point in time and they're going to keep hammering at it. You're good back, but you got to hold on to the football. Oh, Joe, what did you like about what you saw from Chicago? Because Green Bay really controlled this game. Listen, yeah, they control the game. Really, they controlled the game in its entirety throughout the game. I really, honestly, I'm going to tell you, I thought the bear was going to lose. And going into the fourth quarter, five minutes left into the fourth quarter, the game is 16 to 6. Yep.

I'm like, yeah, that's a two-score game with only five minutes left on the clock. So many different things have to go right for the bears to even have a chance to come back. And those goddamn things that need to go right, huh? They went right. Those things absolutely went right. The center exchange, the mess up between Malik Willis and the center. You can't have that, oh Joe.

Hey, listen, you can't have that. with the starting center and the backup quarterback, how many snap do they get? Think about it. Well, Ocho, but you've got to realize Malik Willis had been in the game. So they had taken a lot of them. They had to think about when Jordan Love went out. Right.

Malique Willis comes in. Yeah, he comes. Yes. Because I didn't see, I didn't see me, and I want you to go, Ocho. I didn't see Jordan Love until they replayed it where he got helmet to the helmet. Yes.

I didn't see it in real time. Okay, okay. I'm wondering why they, why they bring Malik Willis? Right, right. And then when they went back, they showed it. I was like, okay, that's why they brought Malik Willis then. Go ahead, Ocho, finish your point.

But also, I think that might have been a problem. You know, you can't blame the weather. You can't blame the weather. I would just say the fact that even though, even though he wasn't there for a few snaps once Jordan Love went out, I mean, that's center and quarterback exchange and the fact that they haven't had any type of continuity together that might have played a part in it. Maybe Malik Willis then closed his hands fast enough.

I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Can Jordan Love is taking a thousand goddamn snaps. And it hasn't been one. in their exchange where there's been an issue and all of a sudden there's one tonight. And obviously certain things they have to go right and that was one of them. They had to go right

in the Bears' favor for them to even have an opportunity and a chance to win this game. Including the goddamn onside kick. When you fall behind, Ocho, you have to, as the behind team, you have to do everything right. Because if they mess it up, Ocho, how many times we said, oh, the game was right there for the taking,

such and such did this, such, such and such did that, but you didn't take advantage of the opportunity. So if you're the behind team, from the time you're behind, you have to do everything right. Now, as the team that's in the lead, you need because all they need is to look

in the momentum, because you realize you're on the road. So what happens, Ocho? Now all of a sudden the crowd gets back in the game. The game. You had the crowd at bay for the entirety of the game. Quiet. Now all of a sudden you got 70,000 fans, they're into it.

Mm-hmm. And then they stop your own third. I don't like to call. I didn't like to call on third down. I think you give the ball. I think you give the ball to Emmanuel Wilson and you go ahead and get the first down. Right.

Look, and I'm, I just hate that offset. I just hate, but anyway, that's not the here nor there. But with that being said, Ocho, I think Emmanuel Wilson, you give him the ball both times and you say, offensive line, we need one yard. Yeah. We need one yard. Now we get a new set of downs.

They didn't happen. I think the bear, the bearers, the, Gilt deserves a lot of credit. Yes. But we, uh, Malik Willis showed me something because when I'm looking at him in Tennessee, we didn't see this Malik Willis.

So it might be something in Tennessee. Mike Brable was his coach. They didn't want him. He looked like a very, very competent quarterback. Yeah, yeah, he looks like he can be a starter. Yeah,

I can look around the league and he's better than some people starters. I might be the system. It might be green bait and what they have to offer. But also he looks very competent right now. And, you know, And you heard what you just said. It might be the system or it might be what Green Bay has to offer.

You've got to look what he has around him. Look at what he has surrounding them. Look at the personnel. Look at the officer line. Look at the running back. Look at the receiving core. So you're going to look like a competent quarterback when you're playing for a team from top to bottom

that understands how to build a team where you can compete week in and week out. Of course. I mean, when's the last Tennessee? When is the last time Tennessee has a team that's been structurally built from the top to bottom, you know, to be able to compete week to week? There's a reason they was picking number one in the draft last year. There's a reason why. So they're not going to look the same.

And unless you're Superman, you can't go to a team that's not structurally built the right way. You've got to be Superman to make them look good, if that makes sense. Bears take control of the NFC North, Ocho. They're 11 and 4. They're a game behind the Seattle Seahawks that are 12 and 3. But there are two games in front of the Green Bay Packers now. Well, they're game and a half because Green Bay has a tie. Right.

Um, actually, yeah. Well, theoretically, that's two games because, you know, they only have four in the loss column and you got one, you got five in the loss column and one in the tie column. So there are two games ahead of Green Bay and there are three games, uh, uh, and the win column of head of Detroit. We'll see what Detroit does tomorrow. But if they win one of these last two guys, one of their last two ball games, they're going to win the end, they're going to win the NFC North and they'll be the number, they have,

they'll be the number two seed. Oh, yeah. The New York Jets, Ocho, are benching Justin Fields for backup Tyrod Taylor. The moves comes following the 2714 loss to Patriots last Thursday night, the game in which Fields threw for 116 yards on 15 or 26 passing. Fields signed a two-year $40 million deal with the Jets last spring. The contract guarantees him $20 million in 25 and another $10 million in 26. Ocho, does this benching suggest that the Justin Fields experiment,

is officially over. Yes, it does. And I hate that for Young Bull. I'm just going to be honest. I hate that for him. And not only it's the experiment over, it puts the jets back in the same position that they've been in for a very long time since Joe Namath.

It's in search of a quarterback number one. They're back in search of quarterback number one. I really was pulling, you know, for Justin Fields and hoping this would be his season to have his own team. things can go well with the Bears. He went to Pittsburgh. We saw flashes. We saw flashes of brilliance leading that Pittsburgh Steelers team offensively to a four-and-two record before he was bent for Russell Wilson that Mike Tomlin had said would be the starter once he gets back healthy. Now, Justin Fields, this is your team. You quarterback number one. You have nothing to worry about.

You don't have to look over your shoulder. You can play freely, you know, just minimize your mistakes. protect the ball and try to run that offense as efficient as you possibly can. And to this point, we're in week 10, damn near, if I'm not mistaken. Week 10, yeah? Yeah, we're about heading the week 12. Oh, shit, well, we're in week 12. And just- No, week 13, yeah, this is week 12, yeah.

Yeah, I mean. By the head to week, yeah, week 12. Yeah, at this point, based on numbers, what you've seen, we've talked about it all the time, you know, having games. where you got 20, 30 yards at the half. Yeah, man. Come on, man. 45 yards passing an NFL quarterback.

Yeah, you can't. Okay, once, I get that. But Ocho, 45, 54. Back to back. No, man, no. And sometimes when I think about it, it's like sometimes I think they sabotage him, you know, but I know that's not the case.

I know not the case, because they can only sabotage you so much, You know, I hurt for Young Bull Because he's really, he really won the opportunity To be quarterback number one And it just hasn't panned out or worked out No And he didn't even been close The Jess is probably one of the worst situations to go to

Because you have to Clearly. You have to be that much better At the quarterback position That everything around you You got to be able to elevate everybody else around you And he's not that. kind of quarterback. Man, Aaron Rogers and Devante Adam

couldn't help him. Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. So, you put that green and white on, you already know. Damn. Well, listen, Tyraud,

you know, proven veteran. Tyraud going to get in the out. And the one thing about him, you know, he's going to move that. Oh, you're going to let it go. He's going to move that ball, too. He's going to move that ball. I wonder who the Jets got this week? Who did the Jets play?

The Ravens. Oh, hell no, shit. Hey, in Baltimore, Tyrod, hey, that's what Tyron started. Remember Tyraud was the backup, the Joe Placo. Yeah, the Joe, yeah, yeah, I remember, yeah, sure it was. And he started the Buffalo. He took Buffalo to the playoffs. People forget that.

That's right. Yeah. That's right, that's right. Yes. Jeffrey Simmons said he's tired of sugar-coating things and is sick of the Titans not playing complimentary football. Let's take a listen to what Jeffrey Simons had to say. We need to be better.

I mean, we can't keep saying the same thing trying to sugar-coach for the media for anybody. And I said it in the locker room, I said it on the field. I'm tired of chip-cote. And we need to be better. And then another day, we need to protect him better. Simply. There was a-

as a defense when knowing if you give up two touchdowns or you know or whatever that's gonna be hard to win man that in that day it's about complimenting football we have to play better team football we sometimes offense can be playing good sometimes defense right how can we play good as a team free face we're not playing good team football right now and it's showing and Mike said in the practice Friday we had freaking four fall start Friday we playing at home we shouldn't have a the phone starts. Don't care. I'm tired of training feelings.

I'm tired of losing. That's what I'm tired of doing. Oh, man. He's frustrated, boy. Yeah, yeah, you're talking about the offensive line. He's like how we have that many false starts when we play it at home? And home, yeah, you shouldn't have any

because the noise is on your side. Or the lack of noise is on your side, especially when the offense is out there on the field. It shouldn't be any issues. I understand what he's saying. And the key word that he kept saying over and over is complimentary, you know? Offense play well, defense play well.

There has to be some type of balance on both sides. Now, you're not going to execute on every, every single drive. Not every single drive, but meet me halfway. Meet me halfway. Keep us off the field for a little bit. Don't go three and out 30 goddamn three times. I'm just throwing that number out there. But in general, defense is tired.

Give us a chance to rest. Let's put together some drives, some consecutive drives together, you know? Give us a chance. They're not even, with the way they're playing, they're not even giving themselves a chance to win games. Now it's a little close. We're going to be a position to get the number one pick again next, this year. I mean, in 26, Ocho.

Yeah. And I'm a dog. And not bad you got to suck to get the back to back number one picks. Hey, that's tough. Well, hell, you know how bad you ought to have. You're in the old Bengals territory. You are in old, uh, uh, uh, Colts territory. Yeah, but, oh.

Because you know y'all did that right, Ocho. Who? The Bengals? Oh, yeah, yeah, at Bengals, it was bad. John Carter, Big Daddy Dan Wilkinson. Hey, the Bengals was bad, I'm talking about back then.

Who are you, you do realize I was in the league where y'all was terrible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Y'all come a long way, Ocho. Yeah, we have, yeah. The Coles was terrible too.

Don't, hey, the Patriots was terrible, too. Terrible, yeah. A lot of terrible too. It was bad. They were bad. Hey, but Tennessee got a long way to go, huh? You know how bad you have to be.

And, uh, you heard me? You know how bad you got to be? Or save the team. Hold on. Who are we? Oh, Joe, I'm trying to think who's the last team to have back to back, number one overall picks? So like we said, like the Bengals. Right.

Did with a, uh, uh, uh, Kajana. I think it was Kajana Carter and Big Daddy Dan Wilkinson. Damn. What happened? The same team has done it twice. Who was that? Who woulda. done it twice, back to back, number ones, overall.

Oh, just the Bengals? Oh, you give me the years. I'm probably going to get it. Oh, yeah, with Tim Couch and the guy from Penn State. Oh, Cleveland. Yeah. Oh, yeah, Baker-Mayfield and Miles Garrett. Oh.

What was the defensive line? Now, Courtney Brown. I remember. Because, if I'm not mistaken, I think Courtney went one. and what you call them, went two, didn't he? Yeah, uh, didn't, didn't Lovargo two to Washington after Courtney? Because they were on the same team, I think. Just like, uh, the Colts had the first two picks, and they took Steve Edmund,

and they took the guy from Texas, San Diego. Quentin Corriott. To the, to Washington, yeah. Wow. Chris Samuel, the offensive line. Yeah. Uh, man. Yeah, it's tough, Ocho.

And, and, and that's where you got to have real strong leadership. Because when one side is pulling their weight and the other side ain't pulling their weight. Right. Yeah. Frustration start the bubble. Yeah, Tennessee. You got to have some real, real, real, real, real strong, uh, um, yeah, Tennessee. Tennessee had some chance to win that game.

So I understand. They did. They did. They absolutely did. Yeah. Absolutely did. Oh, Cho, Bill's wide receiver Keon Coleman is reportedly likely to be inactive for the second consecutive game. Keon is expected to sit tomorrow's against Texans, according to Eric Turner of cover one.

Earlier in the week, Coach Sean McDermott said he needs to see Keon show growth to get back on the field. On Thursday night against the Texans, the bills are likely to go with Joshua Palmer, Elijah Moore, Tyrell Shaver's, Kalee Shakir, and Gabe Davis as active. Hey, listen, they're going with the veterans. They're going with the veterans. Hey, listen, obviously as a rookie, you know, you want to come in and make your impact, but they have players that are a little bit more impactful, a little bit more impactful than you are and bring a little bit more to the table than you do. So, you know, obviously, I mean, at this point, we're going into week 12, week 13,

whatever it may be. I mean, it's already set in stone. I mean, anything that you could have shown or proved that you could do, you haven't done it to date, which is why they're comfortable making you inactive, showing you that we can get the job done without you, especially as productive as they were offensively last week without you. Hell, you know that.

Well, shoot, we don't need it. I got a great story, oh, too. I got a great story to tell you and Joe. Yeah, we had, what, five, six touchdowns, and you didn't play. So, yeah, well, yeah, what's the point at this point? Six. See, up, six. Three or 17 yards.

Yeah. Hey, so, hey, you know what that mean? To me, all it says is, Keon Coleman, young bull, I know you're going to see this. You know, I love you to death. We talk all the time. Come on down here with me in the off season. Come on down here with me in the off season.

I guarantee you, they never sit you down again. Even if you do miss a meeting, you'll be too valuable for them and what you bring to the table on a Sunday for them to sit you down. Come on down here, work with your boy now. I remember my rookie season, Dennis Smith, number 49-Ocho. We call him Kahuna. And Kahuna, I mean, he was one of the guys that from the time I got there, he always, I don't know what it was, but the veteran players, a lot of the veteran players that were really good took a liking to me. Him, Elway, I mean, I mean, veteran players, Huna got there in 81, John got there obviously in 83 with the trade through Baltimore.

But the vet took a liking to me. And I remember him saying, sharp, never let them see they can win without you. Oh, Joe, that's why I shot up a lot of times. I didn't want my backup to get in and then all of a sudden he played well and then all of a sudden they figured they can move on from me. So that was also another reason that I shot up. But I'd never forget him saying that. He said, Sharp, never let them see

that they can win without you. If you notice, who adopts that? The quarterbacks, Brady take every rep. Peyton Manning took every rep. Brett Farve took every rep. Drew Reeves took every rep. You're not going to see if that guy can play or he can't play. Right.

Because I'm never going to give you an opportunity to let you see if he can play. You just got to go on your instinct because I ain't coming out of there. See, what Keon Coleman did, he allowed them to let Terrell Shavers get on the field show. We can win without him.

Now, once they find out they can win without you, guess what they'll do, Ocho, win without you and they'll move on. Now, the coach says, I need to see growth. We having a conversation about a guy in the second year that shows growth. Now, I'm going to tell you, look,

got a great personality. Hey, the best. But after a while, one of these best, they're going to be laughing at you. You're talking about, guess what this jacket? Guess what I got this jacket from?

I'm going to go back. It's funny, key, key, key. But at the end of the day, you better be putting some points on the board. You better be getting some yards. You better be getting some catches. You better get some sacks and interceptions.

You better do something other than make them laugh because they're going to say, you need to go to the improv. You need to be at the laugh factory because the football field ain't where you need to be. Right. At the end of the day, as my good friend,

say the day going to end. And when it ends, you better have catches, yards and touchdown. If you play on the officer's side of football as a skill position player. And they're not playing. Hey, Ocho, it's too much money involved because before you know it, they're going to have to make an investment, 20, 25, 30, $30, $40 million. Yeah. And they say, hold on, you're doing this and you're on your rookie contract. What's going to happen we give you 30 million, Ocho? Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You got to be special. They got to be something about you, Joe.

They got to be something about you as a receiver that separates you. Everybody play receiver. Everybody can run. Everybody can catch. What is it about you that makes you that much more valuable and better than the next man? It got to be one thing. You ain't got to be a bunch. You got to be one thing that separates you from everybody else.

Hey, um, Joe, you know, on every NFL team, there's a number one receiver and there's a number two receiver. There's something about that number one receiver that the number two can't do. Whatever it may be, they both play the same position, but one is a little better than the other. You have to find that one niche. It got just one, Joe. That's it. That's all it takes. And they got to find it. His personality is so big. It's so big. If we can get his game on the field to match his personality. Game got to match it though. Oh my, hey, Joe, I'm talking about it's two players I want to work with so bad, Joe, so bad because I know if I can get get them anywhere close to how their personality is in front of that camera off the field.

We talk about all world. We talk about all world. They can be in the conversation of top five based on if they can get their skill set up the part of their personality. Yeah. John Coleman is one. The other one is Xavier Leggett. Hey, listen.

Hey, them boys electric when that camera's in front of them, boy. If I can get their game to match their personality, man. Oh, okay, Ocho. I like Keon Coleman. And this could be a wake-up call for him. You know, for him to be a healthy scratch again. Like, you know, you know, what could potentially be coming next down the pipe. Man, this should make him really look at himself in the mirror and get to work.

And be like, man, when I get back out there, I got to get him boys hell. You know what I mean? So, yeah. I'm hoping he takes some good from this, bro, because I've seen him over there dancing and all that when he knew he was out. Look, I tell my son That hurt me Man, I tell my son who in college I say, hey, bro, they're watching you

Even when you don't think they're watching you Boy, they're watching you Yeah, they're watching you So you sit over there and mope, pales, and do all that. Man, no folks watching, man. Always. We've all been here. The longer you go without something,

the easier it is to be without something. The longer they play without Kian in that lineup, the easy it becomes to them to play without him in the lineup. I give you a prime example. You saw they say CD and pick went out. Now, if that's the third, fourth, and fifth receiver, they're not even playing. Right.

But that's the one and two receiver. They miss a series. You see the difference? Jimmy Johnson said, Jimmy Johnson cut a guy for sleeping in the meeting. The reporter said with Jimmy, if that was Troy and he was sleeping the meeting, what would you have done?

He said, I woke his ass up. one guy get cut, the other guy the other guy get woke up. They ask Mike, what about, you know, you say you lead the players if they're not there. Well, what if it's, what if it's TD, what if it's sharp? What if it's airway?

Well, that's the one thing about charting the flight. They'll wait on you. We're going to wait. But you understand the level of importance by some of the things that you can get away with. But I'm going to be on time because I need to be on the back of the plane to make sure when everybody else get on.

I see what they're wearing so I can cut their ass up when they got on the bulljide. And that's what my job was. Go get to the plane early so I can see what you got on. You know if you got on bus too, that's what Sharp was. That's what them, that's what them Joaners were.

It was coming, huh? If you got on some bull's job, don't you get on bus too? We had coach getting on our bus. Man, I just want to see what 80 folks going to say about what such and such got on. Up to the right place. Cut up with Ted's ass up. But, Keon, don't you, don't you, don't

Don't you, don't you, hey, let us cut you. Don't you give us a reason to cut you. Yeah. They will. Boy, do you understand? There's a guy in college right now, won't Keon Colvin's spot. There's a guy in high school, want to be a starting receiver, want to be a receiver on the Buffalo Bills. Mm-hmm.

And high school, bro. They got his head down working. These jobs, this ain't no, this ain't no doctor, no lawyer. You don't get no 30-year career in NFL. They replaced every year. turnover. That's why the average NFL career is 2.3 years. Even when you get a guy like Aaron Rogers, they got 20 seasons. Even you got a guy like Mercedes-Louis, they got 20 seasons in 15 and 18. The average NFL career is 2.3 years. That's it. So how many guys in order for that 20 and 18

and 50, Ocho, to drag it down to 2.3? That means a lot of guys playing one year or not even playing at all. At all. Absolutely. Hey, look at it. Look at the NBA. It's 450 guys every year. Not just this year, not last year, every year. So if they got 50 new guys coming in every year, guess what? They got to have at least 50 going out. 50 guys got to go. It's 450 guys. It's only 450 guys every year, bro.

Hey, that's why you got to stay on top of your game. That's why you got to continuously train. That's it. And don't give them a reason to. You got to get better. Ocho, tonight, this game wasn't close. Jackson Dart did it with his arm and his leg. scat pack was sensational 19 carries 98 yards three touchdown jackson dart 13 carries 58 yards another

touchdown they gained a hundred and seventy two yards on the ground jackson dart was 17 or 25 one 995 one touchdown uh he was sack but he didn't turn the ball over and when you can turn the when you can take care of the football and you play you have a great chance of winning jaylin hearse was 2433 283 one touchdown oh cho what we say about that late ball if you late and inside is going the other way every time. And it almost did. They ran the ball 20 times for 73 yards, but they ran the tush push four times in the row.

They got a touchdown on it. Dallas Gartin has seven catches, 110 yards, a touchdown. A.J. Brown has six for 80. Devonte Smith, who Jalen Hertz overthrew, would have had like a 90-yard touchdown, but he had four for 49. Ocho, the Giants just, the Giants did whatever they wanted to do.

Both sides. the ball too at that. And both sides of the ball at that. For one, I want to talk about Jackson Dart. I want to tell about how good Jackson Dart looks as a rookie. Obviously, Russell Wilson started the season for the Giants. But when Jackson Dark got his opportunity, he came in and closed the door right behind him. Yep.

He's making the throws. He's reading. He's improvising. He's escaping. He's eluding. He's using his legs. He's using his arm. His best weapon went down with knee injury.

but you wouldn't know that his best weapon offensively outside of Scatabo was hurt. Jackson Dart is a real deal, and he's very exciting. The combination of him and Skattabo together, it's like two little kids, Uncle. It's like two little kids out there on the playground, just enjoying the game of football at the highest level. And it's refreshing. It's refreshing for the Giants fans, as you can see and you can hear, you know,

you watch the game with the sound off. but just watching the reaction and the sound of the giant. Oh, they're going, I can see the fans when they're panning and the fans go. I'm sure they're saying, uh, a bull,

like for Scatterbo, scat pack was doing his thing. Jackson Dart. I'm sure they're hell in Dart. Look, this was, look, and we'll get to this,

Ocho, because the Eagles didn't play well and they got some issues and we tried to tell them about the issues that they have, but you know what, Ocho, but you can't tell Giants fan anything

because if you critique, if I critique a J. hurts, you don't like black people. You don't say this about white quarterback. If I critique their team, I'm jealous, I'm envious. Okay, fine. I should have your undivided attention because I couldn't get your attention at first because you've winning.

You see that? When you win it, you can't get nobody's attention. Now I should have your undivided attention because you lost twice. Yes. The Giants, they got the makings of a good team. The only thing that concerns me, Ocho, is pressure. There are times back there that Jaylon Hurst would just... Sitting there patting the ball.

And two of the three, and two of the four pass rushes was on the ground. They've got to generate pressure because they don't have elite on the back end. And so you should be able, when you got D. Lawrence, when you got a Thibodeau, when you got Abdul Carter, that should be more than enough to create pressure

to create havoc and not nearly, and I forgot, Brian Burns. Brian Burns, yeah. That should be enough more than enough to create havoc. not enough habit was created tonight. You won the game, but in order for you to keep building on this,

you got 10 days off, you get an opportunity to soak in this. I'm sure the Giants fans are going crazy, somewhat crazy because the Yankees lost last night. But if you're a giant fan, you look at Jackson Dahl, you're like, man, he won his first game. He was playing really well against the Saints,

and then he started turning the ball over. If we could protect the ball, I think we might got something. Scat Pack was doing what Skat, was doing what scat pack does. He runs hard. He's looking to run through, as Marshawn Lynch would say,

run through a mofo face, and he runs with authority. He's looking to deliver a blow. When he blocked, he's blocking all out. When he's running, he's running all out. He missed a couple of cuts early, but hey, all of us for giving, he's a rookie.

He'll get better as time progresses. But I thought the Giants' Offensive Lion-Ocho, when we talked about, that thing was a sieve. Hey, people just coming to, hey, you're going to block him, but they did a guy. I thought they did a better job tonight of protecting Jackson Dart.

He did a great job of avoiding the rush. When he needed to run, he got rid of, he got out of the pocket. When he needed to throw the ball away, he threw it away. I like what I saw from the New York Football Giants. Wondell Robinson had himself a game. A little John Humphrey, I thought he made some plays tonight, Ocho. But, I mean, what can we say? The Giants, I mean, I don't think anybody really had picked the Giants to win this game.

But it just goes to show you. hey, you take care of the football and it's a division game, Mocho. It's a rival game. You know, and you throw workers out of the window when you play in a rival now. Yeah, definitely. Well, definitely.

But listen, you also understand if you're a bed man, if you're a bed man, you're definitely picking the Eagles. Yes. Well, I wonder what the line was. You know what the line was, Ocho? No, I have to be. It had to be, I'm thinking at least four, four and a half. Listen, you're going against a rookie quarterback,

defending Super Bowl champs, everybody named Am I would probably pick the Eagles to actually win this game. But when you have a quarterback like Jackson Dart, who has been as exciting as he is, who has been unpredictable as he's been since he's gotten a starting job, I mean, for those who actually know

and understand the game of football and based on the small sample side of Jackson Dart that we've been able to see, you're through caution to win when you come to bedding against the Giants, especially after tonight's performance. So going forward, you know, I think things are going to change a little bit

when it come to watching, not only watching the Giants, but putting whatever money you want to on them to win a certain game or a Pacific game at that. Seems like the line was 7, 7.7 and a half depend on where you was betting, who you was betting, who you was betting,

you know, what line you took. I'm confused, Ocho. Talk to me. Wait, wait, before you say anything, let me get comfortable. I'm confused if it's what they're doing with A.J. Brown. I watched the man run two unders in a row.

I'm like, is that the only route y'all believe A.J. Brown can run? He run under. He run a little, they try to run him on like a little a little six, seven yard out. But I don't see no imagination in the routes. I don't see no magic, no creativity

in the calls. Man, look, they run in smash concepts. They run, they run the sale, and then they run the spot, what we call a spot. what we call a spot route. Or they'll run the out and then they'll run the under. Or Devonty would try starting the slot and he'll run to fade.

Or he'll run the smash route. I mean, here and Brown would run the, I'm like, damn. If I'm Jaylor Hurts said, man, I'm tired of running these damn under routes. Give me a dig. Give me a comeback. Give me a deep over. Give me something. Hey, run a bang.

Yeah. We ain't got no bangs. Yeah, I will say they made a conscious effort to give him the ball. They made a conscious effort to give him the ball in the first half. And there was some plays that had broken down where he was able to scramble out the pocket and get the ball to AJ. It wasn't many of them. But he had a better stat line this week, you know, this game. Second best most yards he's had.

You know, he had that 100-yard game against the Rams where they were down by a lot of the half. And then they came out and made a conscious effort. Like, we got to throw the ball because we can't run ourselves back in the ball. game and it's like okay AJ um so he had six for 80 Dallas gotter had six uh nine for one 10 smitty would have been over a hundred had uh jaylon not overthrew him he put a little bit too much gas up on it uh devonte ran a really good route had him i mean he could have walked backwards and got to the end zone because it looked like his defender had fallen down on joe yeah when you when you look at the eagles what's going on clearly clearly that meeting didn't

help. I don't know what they discussed. I don't care to know. 3417. It's been a while since the Eagles lost the game by that. And this game wasn't, I mean, uh, this thing got out of the head quick. Yeah, it did. It did. And I would think some, obviously, I think we'll start up front with some of the pieces to that offense the line being missing small holes that you, that you try to cover up, you know, weak links, that you try to cover up, but you just can't. There's a reason why Saquan Barkley isn't

being as successful in the running game as he was last year. He wasn't, Ocho. You knew that. Ocho, you thought they were going to let that man come back and rush for another 2000? Hey, you do understand the Eagles do have the best officer line in the league.

Yes, but he was going to make a concerted effort. What did I tell you? If you're going to beat me, you're going to beat me with Jailahurst throwing the football. Oh, yeah. Because I like my chance that's better beating you with him throwing the football. ball, then Sequin Barkley running for $125 a game.

Right. It's really that simple. And that's not a knock. I'm not going to let, but I'm not going to let you have a two-way go of it. Now Sequan's running it. Now you play action and throw the ball over the top of my head. Nah, nah, nah. If he can't throw the ball with pinpoint accuracy and guess what I'm going to do,

Ocho, I'm not going to bring, I'm not going to drop eight in the box. I'm not going to throw one-on-one. I'm going to make you throw it through zones. I'm going to make you throw the coverage. Now, you do that consistently? Okay, I tip my hat to you. I can live with that. But I am not going to let Sequin do what he did last year

and then be at your mercy. Now you throw when you want to, you run when you want to. You got me begging, man, throw the ball, man, run the ball. Nah, hell, no. You're going to beg for something different. Look, it's early in the season, but clearly. Very. Something is a miss with the Eagles.

It's hard to pick right up where you left off, Ocho. And someone that has been in that situation, you have to really, you have to really turn your mind off to like, man, we won the Super Bowl. Yeah, you did that last year. You think these teams going to roll over just because you won the Super Bowl?

You're their Super Bowl this year. Oh, yeah. The teams that didn't win the Super Bowl, guess what? when they see your ass on the schedule. Now that gives us, you know what Brian Dayball said? That's the defendant Super Bowl champs. And we just hung 34 on them.

You see, when we play, we can beat anybody in this league. That's what they're saying. Because that's the Eagles. That's the defending Super Bowl champ. So now teams base their, they base how good they are on whether or not they beat them. And now you see why? Now this gives you a better reason why, why the Palin the Hurts

when they ask him about the Super Bowl and how it feels to be champs, why he throws it out the door. That was last year. Absolutely. He understood how difficult it would be to not only repeat, but they had the same success

going into this season. The same way. Now we're seeing the struggles that they are having, being that they're not at full strength, especially at the offensive line. Some of the defensive pieces are a little different than they were last year.

and it's a different. New offensively, things have to evolve offensively. You know, you can't be too predictable. Last year, because the running game was so efficient, you could damn near do what you want to do. Exactly. And you can throw it when you want to.

You got to pick your poison on what you want to do. Now things are a little different, and now you're going to get to see the better part of the Eagles. You're going to have to dig down, no, Joe. We've got to dig. Yeah, they can do one or two things. You can come together and feel. fix it or things are going to continue to splinter.

Yeah. And we're not going to make no excuses. Oh, the Eagles beat themselves. It looked like to me, the Giants had 34 and the Eagles had 17. It didn't say Eagles 1 had 34 and the Eagles 2 had 17. Right, right. Ain't no beat yourself because, see, that's the excuses you made. Last week, man, they should have called pass interference. That was a pass interference.

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