Nightcap - Nightap - Hour 1: Jamal Crawford & Mark Jackson join, Luka traded for AD

Episode Date: February 3, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson are joined by 3-time 6th man of the year, Jamal Crawford and former Rookie of the Year, All Star, and former Golden State Warriors coach Mark Jackson to break down the blockbuster trade with the Dallas Mavericks sending Luka Doncic, Maxi Kleber, Markieff Morris to the Los Angeles Lakers for Anthony Davis and Max Christie and a 2029 first round pick. Later, Mark Jackson breaks down the Sacramento Kings sending De’Aaron Fox to San Antonio Spurs for Zach LaVine, Unc and Mark discuss New Orleans Pelicans Zion Williamson and his conditioning and much more!05:28 - Show Start08:13 - Jamal Crawford joins the show26:20 Mark Jackson joins the show56:00 Commercial(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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On April 9th, 2019, he became the oldest player in NBA history to score 50 points in a game. And he's also the first and only player thus far to score at least 50 points for four different franchises. And he's the newest analyst. He's going to be calling game for NBC next season. The one, the only jamal crawford jamal how you doing bro i'm good thanks for having me bro i just have we got a thing you gotta hand the group all right the the trade that happened last night luca a superstar beyond superstar, a global superstar. He's not even hit his prime yet, Jamal. He's 25 years of age.

He's a five-time first-team All-NBA player. And they trade him for Anthony Davis and a first-round pick in, I think, 2029 and Max Christie. And in return, the Lakers get Luka, they get Max Kleber, and they get Marquise Morris, who was on the 2020 Laker team that won the championship. So Lakers receive Luka, Max Kleber, Marquise Morris.

The Mavs get Anthony Davis, Max Christie, and a 20-29 first-round pick. Also, the Jazz receive Jalen Husser, a Scarafino, a 20-25, Scarifino, a 20-25 second round pick, a 20-25 second round pick, the other Clippers. Jamal, when you heard this trade, I thought it was bull jive. I thought

somebody had got hacked, because ain't no way the Mavs are trading Luka. But lo and behold, it is absolutely true. Luka Doncic is on the move. Anthony Davis is going to the Mavericks. What is your assessment of the trade? Why do you think this trade happened? I thought it was

being down in the first two. I thought there ain't no way Luka's being traded. Like you said, all these accolades, he ain't in his prime yet. And if I'm a young NBA star, I'm not comfortable anywhere. Because if Luka can be traded at this stage of his career, where he's at, where he was going, anybody can be traded better.

I said last year on Sharks Podcast, I said, if I'm a Lakers, I'm looking at trade ethics. And people thought I was crazy. I said, if LeBron is still your best player right now, you got to have better pieces to compliment him. Yes, they wanted the bubble. Yes, but LeBron is still looking like he's LeBron. So with that being said,

I got to get pieces. I didn't know Luton was on the table when it happened to me. But if I'm LA, I've got to get PC. I didn't know Luke was on the table when it happened to me. But if I'm in LA, I've got to take that beer. I have to because now you're playing for the now and the future. As LeBron says, you know what, I'm going to wear it down. I'm going to hang it up. Whenever that is, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

you have a bonafide superstar who has now reached his prime who other people want to play with. Luke is backstopping. So we know he's going to bring the Hollywood lights to go in fifth in Hollywood, then Hollywood.

On the other side, Dallas, it's a perfect compliment to Kyrie. Obviously, it don't make sure you're going to move. They didn't trust

the fact that they were going to have to give Luka almost $400 million. Whatever's going on with the college city is really loud right now because now we're

looking like, you know what? How can you trade with Luka? How do you step that we don't know about? You know, i i also i mean i'm curious i'm thinking i'm thinking ahead a little bit i'm thinking ahead a little bit obviously it had to be something internally for them to trade such a great pair like that like like both of you said is not even

in his prime so i'm looking forward to obviously the future because kairi can opt out in the summer and what are the chances of Kyrie actually joining LeBron again? I'm assuming LeBron comes back next year as well and you have Luka, Kyrie, and LeBron. So, to me, I think, obviously, that could have been an election, but Kyrie and Dolly have some type of faith. Like, you know

what? I could have easily been Luka. Like I'm saying, my contract's up next year. They chose to stick with me. And if you look at how Jason Pierce speaks about Kai, he's always speaking globally. He does everything you want. You care about AD, that'd be a Kai another way.

Kai's back to get a toy car. He's still in this prime. He's still doing numbers. He still makes it look easy. You got AD, you got a bunch of money, possibly, with other moves to be made.

If I don't cry, I'm like, you know what? They stuck with me. And also, they believe they have nobody else want to be with them multiple years on the contract. So you don't cry, I'm like, you know what? They stuck with me. And also, they believed in him when nobody else wanted to be with him multiple years on the contract. So you don't forget that type of stuff.

Okay, okay. Yeah, I'm looking at it. And I've said this. Everybody knows this is not right now. I called, I gave Luka the name Baby Bird because I thought he was that special. He was the closest white player I had ever seen to Larry Bird. Everybody knew Larry Bird was my favorite.

But I always questioned. I said, he looked like he's out of shape. I said, he looks like he's unconditioned. He looks like he doesn't take his training and his condition seriously, his training seriously. And he has some habits that, you know, if you look at Rick Carlisle, you got Luka. Guys don't normally say, nah, I'm'm good and leave a superstar player that's only

22 years of age jamal so there was something there was some things that was going on that wasn't being talked about but if you know the game and you see you like something ain't adding up and then plus luca is scheduled he was the first player that was going to be able to get the supermax. Five years, $345 million. So basically $69 million a year. Jamal, if a guy's unconditioned, he doesn't take his training serious, he doesn't take conditioning serious, and there's some other things going around. If I give him $69 million, Jamal, and he might have some power that we need to rustle away from him. And if you hear, listen to what Nico says. He says something about culture. When I hear that, Jamal, I don't know about you, but my ears perk up.

The culture means there's something behind the scenes that he's not happy with. And like we all know, the one question in all the sports in life, period, if you're an entertainer are we daily in problem? And Luke is daily in his problem, so that's why I'm shocked this happened. Even with all that going on, he's tuned, too. He can learn to mature. He can learn to see how real, where the professionals are.

JP and Dillon are the best point guards ever. So that's the shocking, generally part of it, is that we thought 28, 29 and not to, you know, leave the spot or whatever. We still not even in the spot. And so I will quit and that's why this is

such a shock. Guys like that, they don't be training. Hey, you're going to be able to miss stuff until

he figures it out. He can soak up the gas because he's that good. The fact he's 22, all the

big two finals, he's obviously figured out he's 25, Jamal. He's 25, I'm sorry.

The fact he's 25, he was a 25 under list. He's still under list for that too. So that's great. You know what? But here's the thing, Jamal. 25, I'm sorry. In fact, he's 25 now. He was a 25 on the under list. He's still on the under list. So that's scary. You know what?

But here's the thing, Jamal, and I tell Ocho this all the time when we talk about it, they'll tolerate you until they can replace you. Once they got a deal that says, you know what, we can win right now. I like Kyrie and A.D. in the pick and roll. A.D. has never really had a guy this dynamic in the pick and roll. Rondo. And you remember when he had

Rondo in New Orleans, the numbers that AD put up? Kyrie is a very similar point guard in the pick and roll. But for them to trade a 25-year-old that's five times first-team All-NBA, it tells me everything I need to know. I don't need to hear nothing else. They can say this or they can say

that, but you know it had to be bad, Jamal, because everything that you said is absolutely true. Because you say, you know what? His production is better than his problems. But they say, no, hell it ain't. His problems supersede his production. I have a question. You know, both of you could probably answer it better than I can.

Obviously, I don't really understand how or the intricacy on why he's not eligible for the five-year 345 Supermax now. He got traded. So simply because he got traded, it's in the contract letting you know once you get traded somewhere else, you're no longer eligible for that. You can only get a four-year deal because he was almost like a bird, almost a bird situation. That was the team that drafted him. He had been this many times a first-team All-NBA player. So, therefore, a la Jason Tatum, a la JB. So, guys that have been there for a particular – what is it?

What is it, like five, like five, what, five, six years, Jamal? Yeah, I would say. And then you a first-team All-NBA. You have to be a first-team. You have to be one of the all-nba selections like the last year too same world into it yes so he's done that so he was eligible five years 345 so think about that he would have been eligible to get another contract that was probably going to be north of 400 million at the age of 30.

Oh I think you answered it right there you I think that was an aha moment. I think that's the deal. I think they were more scared if they gave him that money, and they knew they couldn't do nothing with him at that point. He was already eventually totally versus right now. It's kind of lost. We see where it's going. I think that might be part of it.

Here's the thing, Jamal. They believe that a lot of these injuries these knick knack injuries is because of his condition is because of his training is because of his diet is because of a lot of things behind the scenes we say this with joel and bead we say this with zion williamson not to say injuries don't happen but i believe the mavericks believed a lot of these injuries are self-induced. You're not taking care of your body. It's being reported at one point he weighed 270, 265, whatever the case may be.

But Jamal, you know this. You played this game down there. You played it two decades. When somebody moves a player like this, we've never seen it. We've never seen it. That would be like they moving Magic Johnson in his prime. They're moving Larry Bird, Michael Jordan in their prime. 25-year-olds don't get moved unless the behavior is so egregious.

They say we just can't control it. We see that. Go ahead, okay. Maul, your eyes and your ears are still, even if you're not playing, your eyes and ears are still with the NBA. Do you know, have you heard anything, what the issue might be where this, where it came

to a head, where they just had to get rid of him? I mean, let's just take a step back and think about when they went to the final, right? Lucas had a celebration beer, Mike Cooney, I got so quick. So you can't speculate that they're having to step behind the scenes

that was just like, you know what? He's not changing what we want him to be. And if we get in this contract, it may be worse at this point. So sometimes the best way

to see a person is not look. If you look, they don't get on their best behavior. So sometimes you guys say, let me just see how you move with that. Let me see if you got a check now.

At least with anybody, right? Let me see if they are diligent with their professionalism. When you're watching that, this is making you watch the talent there. But going back anybody, right? Let me see if they are diligent with their professionalism. You watching that just makes you watch the talent, man. But going back to how it's happened so fast, let's go back and figure it out a bit.

Nico Harrison was Colby's vet. Rob Malik was Colby's agent. So you know they have a friendship and relationship and all type of conversations they have. So that's why I'm not going to conclude so fast. And not get out. And not get out. But here's the thing. This is what we know do something like that. And not get out. And not get out. But here's the thing.

This is what we know. Young athletes that hurt become old athletes that get hurt. And the worst thing you can have is an old guy that's got, you owe him 200 million, you owe 300 million. Because I just read a thing the other day

where they said Joel Embiid has made 125 million for the games that he's missed. You want that on Luka? You want Luka's salary? $345 million? And here he is. And they believe that those injuries, a lot of those have been exacerbated by his condition.

And you remember he was nursing a knee injury last year in the championship game. I mean, excuse me, in the NBA finals. And leading up to the finals, we're like, well, how long can he go on that look? So now you hear culture. You see a guy that has no interest in playing any level of defense. Not at all. Some guys are getting away. You know, everybody's going to have flaws.

When you think about NBA players, hell, even NFL players, everybody has their strengths. His strengths and his identity is on the offensive side of the ball. So you know what you don't get from the defensive side of the end, but he's so great at what he does. He's so good at it.

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Here's the thing. LeBron is at an age he can't play consistent defense. Luka doesn't play any defense. You traded your two best defenders. Your wing defenders, Max Christie on ball and AD. Your help defender on ball can defend one through five. He's tremendous in the pick and roll. He's great at weak side help.

Look, you got guys that can score, but who can they stop? I mean, look, I understand. This is with the Lakers. and I've studied the Lakers, and I know the Lakers. This is what the Lakers do. They got Will because they love superstars. In LA, you got to have them. You got to have them.

You cannot survive as the Lakers without superstars. So they go get Will, and then they follow that up with Kareem, and they go get Shaq, and they go get LeBron, and now they go get Wilt, and then they follow that up with Kareem, and they go get Shaq, and they go get LeBron, and now they go get Luka. You've got to have that if you're going to be LA. If you're going to be the Lakers, you look at the Dodgers. That's what they do. You see Shohei.

You see Mookie. That's what they do in order for you to survive out here. That's why they went and traded for Matthew Stafford, don't you? You've got to have a star. You've got to have stars. Aaron Donald. You've got to have stars to survive out here. That's why they went and traded for Matthew Stafford, don't you? You got to have a star. You got to have stars. Aaron Donald. You got to have stars to survive out here if you want to win because there's too much going on in L.A.

We got beaches. We got salmon. We got rooftops. You got so much going on. And if you don't win, they're not coming to see you. But I'm telling you, I don't care. See, that's the notion that people make uh uh jamal and you know this a lot of times people say well as long as i'm doing my job

you shouldn't care about no no no no it doesn't work like that because see your job is being a professional that's your job how you conduct yourself while you're doing your job that's called being a pro and say we don't like the pro. We love the professional because he's giving us 32, 34, 9 and 9. We know what he can do. But that pro eventually will catch up with us. His behavior and the way he does things that say, nah, we've got to nip this in the bud.

We've got to break his plate at 25 because he's going to become unk. Bro, we let him get two years into $60 and $70 million contract. Hey, that joker might come in. Hey, he might come into the game drinking a beer. He might come to the game and smoking on hookah. Because we know hookah love is hookah now, Jamal. He love is hookah. He love is hookah.

He love is hooker now, Jamal. He love his hooker. Luka love his hooker. He love his hooker. And when you sit back and look at it, Rick Carlisle left. He refused the contract extension. He had Luka at 22-23. What don't you know would walk away from LeBron, walk away from a Magic Johnson, Larry Bird? That's what Luka's a comparison is. I'm not saying he's not going to championship. He doesn't want an MVP,

but that's what he is in today's turn. Ain't no coach walking away from that. Coaches might get fired, but coaches, because they know how hard it is to get one of those guys. Those guys, you know, those guys like Luka, they don't come out in the draft every year. A LeBron, a Magic, a Bird, they don't come out in the draft every year. Or LeBron, a magic bird, they don't come.

So if I get one, I will keep this joke as long as I can. As long as they'll have me, I'll stay. And that's why this is so shocking. Like, we have never, ever seen this. And it's so open-ended, and it was so shocking. All we can do is speculate. We don't wish nothing bad on nobody, but we got to figure it out. Right?

Like, that's our job to figure it out and educate people on getting a little bit of insight into why this happened. Who knows if it's, you know, how they thought his body would be in the fire. Like, all that stuff plays a part. But what's going to happen is where he's going and where Anthony Davis is going and how the culture is going to change, we're going to see in the next

year or two how things lined up and we'll have our answer in the future. Hmm. I also think I think now, he just lost $117 million, Ojo. Basically, one year. It cost him $117 million. Now, if that don't

get your attention, it should have your undivided attention. Now, I don't know where y'all who makes $117 million a year. Maybe some CEOs. Maybe Cristiano Ronaldo. Maybe Mbappe. Maybe some of them. But ain't a whole lot of players making $117 million in salary.

And you're in California taxing. Just think about it. You could have been in Texas. No state income taxes. Yeah. There's 13.5% in California. I don't know if you noticed anything. So 40 million, they're going to take 13.5%.

That's 10. So they're going to take 4 million, no, 3. So they're going to take about 6 million from you right there, Ocho, on 40. Listen, let's say he missed out on 117, right? Whatever you missed out on. Let's say he gets himself together. Gets himself together, gets on the right track. Is it a possibility he can

recoup that money on the back end in the next deal? It all depends. Hold on. He's a big enough superstar that he can have deals outside because he projects. That's one thing. He projects globally.

So, yeah, he can make that money. But you can't make up what you missed. It's kind of like time. Because, yeah, let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, he signs this deal with the Lakers. So, 117 minus 345. So, he gets 228. 228.

228 club money. Jamal, you remember when Boogie missed out on what, 200 million? By getting traded to the Pelicans. And then he gets injured. Never saw

a payday again. See, that's the thing, Ocho. You see, we're under the assumption and we hope, we knock on wood, that nothing happens. But when you're continuously overweight, you put stress on your body, your body ain't used to that. Your body ain't used to being

trying to go up and down that court on a nightly basis, Jamal. You know, at least two nights a week, sometimes three nights a week. When you meant to be 220, all of a sudden you're trying to play at 260. Something gotly basis, Jamal. At least two nights a week, sometimes three nights a week. When you meant to be 220, all of a sudden you're trying to play at 260. Something got to give, Ocho. Something got to give.

Yeah. You got a Ferrari and you keep hauling logs on top of it and you see what happened to it. That's like Ocho talking like he's going to play me when all morning he's drinking Coke. He can't play Coke. Hold on. I've been going 5 for 180 on McDonald's and cheeseburgers and fries or played me when all I wanted was a drink and a Coke. You can't play a Coke. I mean, hold on, you gotta,

you gotta understand, I would go on fire for 180 on McDonald's and cheeseburgers and fries and a Coke. So, you know, having to deal with you at my age

with this skill set with never having any injuries, that's easy work. Man, see, you was doing that at 25. It's a big,

big, big prize. Listen, this is AJ number, the number. They, the man created that. Oh,

no, she flipped me on the floor, man. I know AJ number, the. The man created that. Oh, no, I'm sure. I know AJ number the number. I know that. Whenever you're ready, I'm here. That's all I got to say. You're saying that to work for this time. I ain't working on me. Let me ask you a question, Jamal.

Who do you think won the trade? I think Dallas won the immediate future. The immediate kind of it, I think the Lakers are on the future. And the reason being is, let's help Luka. And as you know, we've seen sometimes when he's in his fall, and he's taken games over the last few years, but he's going to have a

different workload now. Like I said, he's going to be evolving, picking roles a lot. Luka, that's a great transition from LeBron to Luka as a future superstar whenever LeBron decides he's having that. Because you've got to have that level. So I think those two have to go in and it's just so weird. But weird is

something with everything. Who would have guessed? Would you imagine doing something like that on there? Or getting between Joe and him? This is shocking. That's why I said, don't say something else. I think there's going to be one at that level. I think it's going to be a shocking play to happen

always next time I play. I promise you. I think something's coming. And if you look at what Minnesota gave up to get Rudy Gobert, Dallas didn't want but one first-round pick. I don't say give me 27, give me 29. I want a pick swap in between and give me what, give me 29. I want to pick swap in between.

And give me what you gave me. Yes. That's how you got to be because this dude is each generation. Luke is so good at fouls and balls. Luke will figure out the game the whole time he got. When he's playing at the time, he's not even going to get you. He's going to get your coach. Then the Jets will get that quality.

The Browns will. Are you going to miss? I'll got you on that. I want you to do a couple of family public schools and over there. Like, he's one of those people. I can't wait to see it. Three times, six man of the year. The oldest man in NBA history to have a 50-point game. The only man in NBA history to have at least 50 with four different franchises. The one, the only, Jamal Crawford.

Good luck next year in calling games on NBC, Jamal. Congratulations. Job well done. Hey, really appreciate you stopping by to offer some insight into this big trade. Appreciate y'all. Thank y'all. I'm going to shout out to my guy, John Teng, ready to go. We're ready for it. Appreciate y'all. Thank y'all. Give a shout-out to my guy, John Teng, we're ready to go. We really appreciate y'all. All right, bro.

Yeah, thank you. Thanks, y'all. Now, we're joined by a former NBA Rookie of the Year, All-Star, former Warriors head coach, Mark Jackson. Mark, talk to us, bro.

How you doing? Everybody's great, bro. We cannot complain huh huh hey turn your camera on mark i don't see how i do it you try to pull a shadow sharp audio i do that we see uh there you go what's up what's going on man you good what's up what's up baby you good i'm killing it man happy proud for y'all yeah appreciate it mark mark let's get into this trade bro it came out of nowhere normally trades like this it had to be a special type of

relationship because you had to sit on it. Because prior to it dropping, there was no way of AD getting traded, nothing about Luka getting traded, and then boom! You're trading a 25-year-old five-time first-team All-NBA player that hasn't even reached his prime yet

for Anthony Davis, a first round pick, and Max Christie. Talk to us about the trade. You coached this game. You played this game. Talk to us. How does a deal like this happen? We don't know the truth of everything.

That's first and foremost. This is an incredible deal that was pulled off by Dallas Mavericks and the Los Angeles Lakers, primarily Mikko Harrison and Rob Palenka. It is, in my time of playing basketball, following basketball, coaching basketball, it is the most shocking trade pulled off without anybody leaking it, not anybody knowing anything about it. And then everybody that got wind of it thought it was a fluke. We thought it was a fluke.

I got 10 phone calls. I did too. And a minute's fan saying, this can't be real. Can you confirm it? I'm like, I don't know. I can't confirm it or not. It's shocking. Like you said,

a 25-year-old guy, five-time first-team All-NBA, generational talent. One thing I would have done if I was Nico Harrison and Dallas Maverick, I'm not minimizing it

to Los Angeles Lakers and that one phone call. I am opening up the bidding for Luka Doncic, letting everybody know. Everybody's well aware of what he brings to the table. I got to assure. Now, the best deal may be Anthony Davis and the deal they got from the Lakers. I doubt it. At least I would have made sure the Lakers sent both of their first-round picks in.

But at the end of the day, you can't underestimate. He got an elite first-ballot Hall of Famer in Anthony Davis, whose only concern is staying healthy. When he's on the floor, he's a dominant basketball player, and I believe it helps both teams. The Lakers do continue to add by adding a big. Both teams have a legitimate chance of winning it all. The Lakers, because they have two guys that can control a basketball game at all times on the offensive end.

Dallas Mavericks because they have a legit big man that prefers, from his own words, to play the powerful position. Now he has two young, athletic, energetic bigs to protect him. And then you have a guy like Kyrie Irving who's a special, special generational talent in his own right

that can do some similar things as Luka and can carry them on the offense and create an offense for himself and his teammates. My former lead assistant, Pete Myers, who played for the Chicago Bulls, the brilliant basketball mindset, a Hall of Fame, General Madden once said to him, do not make a trade that can cost you your job.

And that's what Nico Harrison did. But I give him credit because so many guys willing to just cruise along. I can win 20 games, 30 games. I could go to the lottery time and time. I could be bad. I got an excuse. He swung for the fancy and the only gamble. I think he gave up a home run talent,

but Anthony Davis has gotten to stay healthy and they they'll be good for the foreseeable future. Hey, Coach, listen, for someone who played the game for a long time, for someone who coached the game as well, as a coach, and you think about it, I just want you to put your GM hat on for a quick minute. What can a player do to the magnitude and where it's that egregious to you trade somebody that young, that's that spectacular, and brings that much to a team, especially from an offensive standpoint? You got to talk to me. Just give me some type of better context on what could a player do behind the scenes that could warrant such a trade for someone so good?

That's what makes it shocking to me. And I think that's a great question. And what I don't like is all of a sudden stuff come out that didn't come out all along. So let's be fair to him. But at the end of the day, the things we know about, he can be a better conditioned athlete. He can be better committed on the defensive end. He can have a better competitive fight and spirit defensively, not every fifth possession, every 10th possession. I could show you 50 clips of Luka Doncic more than capable of defending and having game plan discipline on the defensive end of the floor.

I can show you 200 clips where he lays down, points the finger and blames somebody else. I would say to my ownership or my management that's interested in trading for Luka Dobbs because of those reasons, I would tell them personally that's on me. He's been in this league six years. I got to do a better job of bringing that out of him and holding him accountable, defending

at a high level, competing at a high level, being a better leader. And that would be on me. Hold on. Go ahead, Ochoa ahead i'm i'm confused now you think about what luke is able to do from the offensive standpoint right and um one of the gripes one of the issues that he may have is his lack of ability to play defense but if he is a little bit better on defense coach wouldn't that take away from his offensive production? That sounds like a receiver that didn't want to block when it wasn't his

check. That's what I'm talking about, Jack. It's because you're not going to you on this play. It doesn't give you a license to chill. You still have a responsibility. And my job as a coach is to hold you accountable to that. Because it's not about you. It's about us.

And other guys are watching. If I allow you to do that, and because they're rolling one day, I allow them to to that because it's not about you it's about us and other guys are watching if i allow you to do that and because they're rolling one day i allow them to do that i'm not saying i'm holding you to the same standard i'd like that in the ideal world but we all have kids and that's not how it works but i'm going to hold you to a standard but i will not accept in in in losing i'm not going to but i will not accept in winning i'm not going to accept i gotta say to you, I got to say. Oh, have you heard that before? Yeah, I heard it. Where have you heard that saying?

I heard it. Because guys are watching. I can't now yell at you because, no, I've been doing this for 20, I've been doing this for five years. Now you got a problem with it? See, you never accepted it.

Hey, you never accepted anything in a win, you went to the loss. But here's the thing, okay? Jack, you said it's your job to hold him accountable for a little bit more for the defensive end. Are you holding yourself accountable for his unconditioned, his training, his eating? Absolutely.

Guess what? I got to go see him in the offseason. I got to take a flight and go spend some time with him. I got to send one of my assistants, one of my player development coaches, go spend some time with him. I got to send one of my assistants or my player development coaches. Go spend some time with him. I got to send a chef with him. I'm going to put you in a position to be successful. I don't want you to just chase down

being a five-time NBA team player or generational talent. I want you to have the jewelry at the end of the day. I want you to be in that special room with those special guys that you deserve to be in. Don't just be in there with just everybody else. He's good enough and great enough to be in that special room with those special guys that you deserve to be in. I'm just being there with just all everybody else. You should,

he should be, he's good enough and great enough to be in a room by with just a handful of guys. He's that special of a talent. And I'm, I'm cheating him. If I fall short of holding him accountable and putting him in position to take away those, those critics. But Jack,

right. Jack, you can't, I tell my kids this, I can't want something from you more than you want it for yourself. And you got kids, and you know they've got to want it for themselves

as much as you want it for them. If Luka doesn't want what you want for him, it's not going to work. It just won't. It just won't. That's true. But he is so special

and so great. You can't convince me he don't want it. You just can't. He is so special and so great. You can't convince me he don't want it. You just can't. He's so special and so great. You average a 40-point triple-double in the playoffs. You are the best player in the

Western Conference Finals. He is a special, special talent. I'm not asking him. I'm going to tell him. I'm going to push the right button. I'm not asking you something that I believe you can't do. I'm not asking him, I'm going to tell him, I'm going to push the right button. I'm not asking you something that I believe you can't do. I'm not asking you to protect the rim and block shots. I'm not asking you to be a lockdown defender.

I'm not asking you to be 200 pounds. Let's meet somewhere in the middle where now it's acceptable. I just don't want you to point the finger to a guy wide open in the corner and you just stand there and you know that's your man and that's your responsibility.

Everybody in the arena knows that's your fault. That shit burned. That shit upset you. I'm not saying it hasn't happened to me in 17 years of playing basketball and in all these years of playing basketball, I got exposed at times on the defense, but I got upset about it. And I reacted to it and responded to it and held myself accountable. Listen, Cole, one more question.

One more question. I'm thinking about the mental part of it, right? The mental part, as far as Luka's concerned. How is he going to react? How is he going to, is the trade, this is a wake-up call. Is he going to fold? Now, two things can happen. Most of the time, you think you're a player, you're sitting on top of the world,

you feel like you're invincible, you know, you're making good money, you're one of the best players in the NBA. Now, all of a sudden, you get that call. Oh, yeah, you've been traded to the Los Angeles Lakers. Now, what Luka are we going to get

from this point going forward? Are we getting the pissed off Luka? Or are we getting a Luka that's going to fall under the pressure? We don't know that Luka that you're talking about falling under pressure. All he's done in six years

is be great, be a generational talent. He's been special. What just happened, Coach? He got traded. Exactly. Now, getting traded can do something to your mental now. It can do something to your mental. I'm talking about a different kind of pressure. Pressure playing and being comfortable in Dallas, knowing

you that guy, is different. I agree with you with certain dudes, but I don't care where you put Tom Brady. He's Tom Brady in New England. He's Tom Brady in Tampa Bay. Luka Dotson, we're not going to cheat his talent and his level of greatness. He's a special talent. I believe it'll elevate him

conditionally-wise and in the fight defensively because he's got a guy in the locker room that's a hero of him that he looks up to. And LeBron James certainly has his flaws at times. But one thing he does is take Kevin's body, and he's an all-time great. He's a special talent.

And if you just hang around, you've got testimonies from teammates, coaches. He's going to make you better. And Luka Doncic will be a better conditioned athlete and a better defender, competitively speaking, because of being around LeBron James. That's one thing LeBron James will bring to the table, without a doubt. But you know what, Jack? I had a guy to tell me one time, he said, they'll tolerate you until they can replace you.

Profession, Luka is a professional basketball player. seems to me nico collins nico harrison had a problem with him being a pro which was how he conducted himself in being a professional basketball player you don't it had to get to a point mark mark and you know this having played mark you played 17 years You played 17 years. You coached in this league in order for you to trade a generational talent because we've never seen it happen before. At 25, the behavior behind the scenes, it had to be. There's no other way around it, Jack.

There's no other way. That 25-year-old generational talent we've never seen before unless he asked to be traded. That's a different ballgame. This guy didn't ask to be traded. He said he wanted to spend his life on the Dallas Panthers. So there is clearly something that made them pull the trigger and

make the trade and pick up the phone and call Los Angeles. I don't know what it is. That'll come out at some point. But it definitely is something. If it don't come out to watch, it'll come out at some point. But it definitely is something. If it don't come out to watch, it'll come out to read. He's a great player that you just decide to pick up the phone. No, I can handle the... Think about it.

When it's lack of defensive intensity for 48 minutes, and it's lack of conditioning overall, the dude was still a five-time first-team All-NBA player in six years. So I'm going to live with some of that and try to make them better. I'm not just going to pick up the phone on a random day

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Rick Carlisle didn't accept the contract extension, and he had a 22, 23-year-old Luka. That should have raised the antenna. But what really raised my antenna when I heard Nico Harrison say, culture. When you hear that, Jack, I know your antenna raised, too.

Because we see this with Zion. We believe his conditioning plays a role in his injuries. We see that with Joel Embiid. We believe his conditioning plays a role in his injuries. They believe, I believe, it is my estimation, and I'm just looking at this from a distance. I believe, the Mavericks believe that Luka's condition or lack thereof, his training, his eating habits, play a role in those injuries. And I got to give you $70 million this summer for next summer for five years?

Oh, no, Johnny. I can't do that. Oh, I can't do it, too. And you would do it, too. The guy that's a top five player in the world. No question about his ability. The thing I got a problem with is we compared him, Joel Embiid and Zion Williamson, two guys that have a tough time staying on the floor.

That's not Luka's issue. He plays her. He plays hobble. 100%. Doesn't take care of his body. The best condition physically. He doesn't come in shape and can't play. But he plays.

He loves to play. Those other two guys have missed a substantial amount of game. I think culture is the conditioning. It's how we act on the bus. It's how we act on the plane. It's how we act in the locker room. We don't know that story. I'll give you an example.

Jimmy Butler. Report come out. Jimmy Butler had the plane waiting for an hour while everybody waited for him. Are you kidding me? That's not on Jimmy Butler.

That's on me. I'm not waiting an hour for nobody. That's what happened? With the reporters. The plane is taken off when leaving Jimmy Butler. Wait for Jimmy Butler

and you're setting yourself up for disaster. You're setting yourself up for a culture that allows that. No, we're going to set the tone right away when we're leaving this guy and if he shows up to the game, he shows up to the game, we'll handle it then. Well, what kind of president

are you sitting with Luka when you know he's out of shape, when you know he's not conditioning properly, when you know he's not conditioning properly, when you know he's not training properly. The dude is averaging 30 and 9. He's the best player on the floor every night.

So you got to find other ways to push the button to get him to respond. You got to pull him into office by yourself and talk to him. You got to pull him into office with Kyrie Irving. You got to pull him into office

with the GM. You got to pull him into office with ownership. Bring in some former greats. Bring in Dirk Novisti. Whatever trick you got to do him in office with Kyrie Irving. You got to pull him in office with the GM. You got to pull him in office with ownership. Bring in some former greats. Bring in Dirk and Visti. Whatever trick you got to do to push the button. Dirk's there. Whatever trick, I don't know.

He sees Dirk every day. Whatever trick it is you got to do to push the button, your job, my job is to find that button and push it. Because he is great. And he's an all-time great. But I want to put him in that special room that he deserves to be in. I'm not, like, this guy had to talk all-time great. But I want to put him in that special room that he deserves to be in. I'm not like this.

This guy, if you had to talk up to be great, when he walked into this, he was great. You don't have to hype him up and talk him up. He's great from day one. So now let's get you into that special room. And it's something that you deserve. And you're cheating yourself. Forget about me. You're cheating yourself if you don't put yourself in the best possible position to get there.

Does he want to be in that room you want him in that room does he want to be in there because if he wanted to be in that jack all the grace that you mentioned that's in the handful of guys did any coach had to hold their hand jordan kobe lebron bird magic kareem jimmy simone elijah one the guy the handful of guys that's in that room, did they have to be hand-to-spoon things? Hey, Jack, you think the culture and where he comes from is a little bit different as opposed to all the guys that I'm just named and they're pros to the game of basketball? Maybe that might be the issue.

I might have something to do with it, but the dude was a pro at 13 years old. He's been a pro since he's been 13 years old. He's a special talent. And I agree with you with those guys that you named, but there's some guys, and I don't have them off the top of my head, but some guys had to be pushed along. Some guys

didn't love basketball, and they're in that special role. Jim Dunley didn't touch the basketball until he got into high school, I believe his junior year. He was a swim dude. He was an elite swimmer. It's great enough to get in that room and I believe he's going to get there.

And I believe putting on purple and gold and having a new challenge in his life is going to get him there. But he also has to have coaches, management, ownership, leadership in that locker room

that holds him accountable and has the same voice as the people that's trying to pour into his life instead of high-fiving him and hugging him and giving him that

when he won a ball game so let's talk about you won the game but how about the defensive stop that you gave up on that almost cost us the game so we can have that

conversation too gotta surround himself with people that are not yes men but hold them accountable and push button and inspire him to win it as bad as we want it.

Short and long term, who do you believe won the trade? Short and long term, I love AD to the mouth, Kyrie in the pick and roll, great help defender, can defend one through five, tremendous in the pick and roll, can help with weak side defense. The Lakers got a little lax on defense. LeBron can't

sit in the chair anymore at 40. Luka, we talked about that, doesn't really want to play. Austin Reeves, people attack him because they can't. The Lakers got substantially weaker on the defensive end.

They set themselves up for the next 10 years, though. We can't take that away from them. I think both teams are in position to win a championship. You're the Lakers,

your next move is your best move. They got to find a big to clean up some of the mess and protect the weakness that they have on the defensive side of the floor. Protect the rim, play the pick and roll, hold the fork down a little bit as dribble penetration affects you.

I think both teams have helped themselves because I can't understand how great Anthony Davis is, and clearly I already raved enough about Luka Doncic. It's going to be interesting to see how this thing all plays out. And I think the Lakers cannot be judged on just winning a championship or not winning a championship this year. They got a generational talent, which is hard to find,

that puts them in position for after LeBron James leaves. But let me ask you a question. Let's just say, and I'm hoping, hey, you know I root for the Lakers. I'm hoping Luka's like, man, I just cost myself $117 million. Everybody believes I can be special. I am special. Let me do what it takes in order to be in that room that Mark Jackson keeps talking about.

There's only a handful of guys in there. There are only a handful of guys that deserve to be mentioned of being in there. I mean, some guys can peep in the room, but there are some guys that are sitting at the table in the room. Let me get on my conditioning. Let me hire me a chef.

Look, I'm not saying whatever. Hey, I'm not saying Michael Jordan smokes more cigars than anybody. Instead of that, then bust them up, Mark. Some guys drink. Some guys can do that. But the one thing you know about MJ, he came in his shape. LeBron loves his wine, and a casual gets a cigar. But you know he don't cheat the process.

And the one thing about those guys that are in that room, they didn't cheat the process. You're right. Tim Duncan didn't play basketball until high school. But Pac, he was coachable. Pac got on him to coach everybody else. Tim Duncan, when he stepped on that floor, you know what you're going to get.

But you also knew he was a pro off the court. He was going to come in in shape. He was going to be conditioned. And he was going to be ready to go. And he didn't have no ticky-tack injuries. It points the finger directly to the player. They got to want it. And I believe that he's going to be in that room because his talent tells me that he's going to be in that room.

I believe he wants it. I believe this situation will enhance his desire to prove people wrong. And I believe that if you are a general manager, ownership, or coach, or superstar player playing alongside of him, you also have a responsibility to hold him accountable and to deliver the message to him when he's falling short from that. And I believe he's got to be able to be man enough to empower those people

to do exactly that. Because at the end of the day, I know they want what's best for me. If they want what's best for me, then it's going to be what's best for this team. And ultimately, I'm going to be in that room.

What he doesn't want to do is what you talked about. Put his head peeking in that room and then he gets most out of it. No, he deserves to be in that room constantly because his talent tells us that. Let's talk about the other trade that happened today.

De'Aaron Fox going to the San Antonio Spurs. Zach Levine going to the Sacramento Kings. It seems now, it seems now, guys will sign that first extension, get that guaranteed money, and then after that, they're on the hunt. You see De'Fox, he's on his way to San Antonio. He wants to play with Wimby. Nice squad there. You see Zach Levine. There's been reports that Zach Levine

has wanted to get out of Chicago for an extended period of time. He's reunited with DeMar DeRozan in Sacramento. You have to like Sacramento with Malik Monk, DeMar DeRozan, Zach Levine, DeMontis Sabonis. They got a nice squad. Keeganis. They got a nice squad. Keegan Murray, they got a nice squad.

What I like about Sacramento is Aaron Fox obviously displayed his willingness to be traded, let his feelings be known, and they made a trade. But they didn't surrender this season. They went and got a guy that could help them immediately, a 25-point scorer in Zach Levine that's proven. That's combo playing alongside of DeMar DeRozan. So they have perimeter play, great versatility, great youth,

incredible fan base, and you have Sabonis, and Keegan Murray. They have talent that still should put them in the mix playoff time in the Western Conference, and still an exciting future moving forward, whether Zach Levine opts in or opts

out at the end of the year. De'Aaron Fox goes to a situation where he's playing with a generational talent in Wendy and it fits his skill set where he can

be creative on the perimeter, play and pick and roll with him, at times be aggressive as a scorer, at times be aggressive as a facilitator. It's an ideal

situation. One thing you touched on that I still try to figure out as I spend time by myself today. These dudes are turning down $300 million. Like, give me my money. Give me my money, and we'll figure everything else out. $300 million.

I don't care how much you made. This is real money. Go get your money, and then find the right situation. Don't leave money on the table. I played with a guy that gave back $500,000 in order to be a free agent at the end of the year.

Never recouped. And that was back in 1989, 1990. Never got back that $500,000. You can't make it back. We're talking about now $200,000, $300,000 million? Are you kidding me? Yeah.

Get your paper, young fella. I don't want to underestimate this because, unfortunately, I don't know a lot about this. And Shannon, you don't know a lot about this. But my guy Chad Ochoa-Single knows enough about it. That's news. It can be frustrating at times. I mean, at times, I watch you.

That's what I'm talking about, Jack. I watch you, and I've seen the frustration. I've seen it, running routes and playing for, you know,

it was tough at times, and I was thrilled and happy when you got a chance to win and be on the right, in the right situation. You deserved it. So it can be frustrating

and wanting to exit at times, but get your money. One thing about my guy, he got his money and he keeps his money. I'm watching you. Let me ask you this. We see these things about Zion and Zion has had, and they even worded his contract that he has to be a certain

weight. He has to have his body percentage down and we've never seen it. Look, he reminds you of a certain weight he has to have his body percentage down and we've never seen it look he reminds you of a more explosive charles barkley and barkley like he had malone he had those other guys and he said most malone rest his soul say charles you fat and you lazy you got two things you young you fat and you lazy you got two things working against you and barkley says you know what if they get 10 he got 10 pounds off in like two weeks and then he got another 10 pounds off in a month and before you know it charles was turning himself into an mvp one of the better power forwards that ever played a game we see this with joel and bead when you get a guy in b size and people don't realize

this the bigger you are the bigger that frame is the more weight it can hold, Jack. You 7'2", oh, you could easily be 400, maybe even 500. And when you get hurt during the season, now you can't condition. And so guess what? You're still eating, but you're not practicing. You're not playing. And so guess what? You might be 295, 300. Next thing you know, you're 310, you're 320, you're 330, you're 340, you're 350.

Now you go back out there, you're 350, and you try to run up and down that court, and you jump up, your knees go out, your feet, your ankles, your hips. What do you say to that, Jack? Part of it, I blame the organizations that allowed them to be this way coming in. So I'm trying to be your friend and your boy and all lovey-dovey when you come in, instead of saying, okay, these are the problems that we foresee is what we have to do to put you in position to succeed from day one. Um,

I don't care what your bone structure is, what your body fats, I know what it should be. They co-signed a lot of that stuff initially with Zion Williamson saying he was heavy boned and, you know, and he can only get down to a certain amount of weight. No. He's an incredible young man. He's an incredible talent.

And you look at his body now, it was different than when he came in, so he certainly has an desire to get better. I think the biggest thing for him, you compare him to Charles Barkley, and the bodies were similar, but Charles Barkley from day one had a jumper. He was shooting threes back in 87, 88, 89. So he was a skilled overweight performer on

the basketball floor who had range. Brian Williamson, if you're playing against him, you can dare him to shoot the jumper. Now, can he hit it? Yeah, once in a while. And I'm saying it's respectably because he's a great player but he has a flaw that can be exposed on the

defensive side of the floor you're going against him especially in a playoff series so that he's got to spend time to enhance and perfect that side of the

floor and his range because he puts his head down he gets anywhere he wants so now you add a decent jumper to that he's a he's a he's a nightmare for anybody

to defend we're talking about elite-League players that have opportunity to make their imprint on this game. And it should hurt them when they don't because they're not in the best shape they could possibly be in. I still never understand. Rudy Gobert

got traded for four first-round picks. Luka Doncic got traded for Anthony Davis in one first-round pick. I don't know who did. Hey, Nico Collins must know something we don't. But I'm sure Rob... Nico Harris, excuse me. Rob Pelinka says...

Just imagine if you were sitting at home and got a call. Thank you. You're interested in Luka? Heck yeah. Hell yeah. So you don't even have to work. You can win executive of the year

just because you picked up the phone. That's great. What statue out front you want for Luka? I'll trade. Whatever you need to trade. Jack, whatever you need. What you need. Who you looking for?

We're talking about a guy that's... After LeBron. After LeBron, he's going to still be playing. I don't care how much time you give LeBron. Luka Dodgers will still be your franchise player when LeBron. After LeBron, he's going to still be playing. I don't care how much time you give LeBron. Luka Dodgers will still be your franchise player when LeBron exits the building. And that's what you need if you're a Lakers. You got to have franchise players.

They started with Will, with Kareem, Shaq, LeBron, and now they got Luka. So they just continue this string of getting elite, multi-talented, great players to keep this thing for the Lakers going. Jack, we got to get you out of here on that one. Thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate your insight and talking about this trade and the other

trades. Darren Fox going to the Spurs, Zach Levine going to Sacramento Kings. We'll see you down the road. I appreciate you, Rodney. All right, Coach.

No, no problem. All right, guys. Joining us next, we're going to have a commercial break first, all right? Joining us next, he won Royal Rumble last night, Jey Uso. But he's going to come to join us right after this break. Let's be real. 2025 has been all about change.

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