Nightcap - Nightcap - 49ers Dominate, Bengals Bounce Back, Drake vs. Joe Budden

Episode Date: October 9, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson are back for another episode of Nightcap to discuss the 49ers dominating the Cowboys, Patrick Mahomes rising to the occasion, the Giants struggles, Steelers beating the Ravens, Drake vs. Joe Budden, and more.  #Volume #Herd #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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for eligibility and deposit restrictions, terms, and responsible gaming resources. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us again on Nightcap. Ocho, this is a big night for us because we have our own channel now. We're no longer under the Club Che Che channel. We got our own channel, so we, like the Jeffersons, we are moving on up. Moving on up.

I'm your favorite unk, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85. He says he's the greatest route runner. We debate that again at another date and time. Ocho, let's get right into it. Yes, sir. The 49ers do a demolition job on your Cowboys. Dak, 14 to 24, 153 yards, one touchdown, three picks.

The Cowboys finish with 218 yards of total offense. Take it away. I have a question. Now I'm going to flip the question back on you. Is this a testament to how great the 49ers defense is or how bad the Cowboys played tonight? Which way is it for you? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm just curious. Because I've been telling you all along. I said, Ocho, what happens to the Cowboys offense when their defense doesn't give them scooping scores? Right. And they don't give them pick sixes. And the offense has to score. And the offense have to drive the ball.

Right. Then what happens? We've seen them play. Oh, that's a historic defense. We've seen them play oh that's a historic defense we've seen them play three nf offenses the giants the patriots and the jets and they look like the 85 bears we see them score play two teams and both teams got over 20 points and they blew them out the cardinals blew him out. The Cardinals blew him out. The 49ers did a demolition job. I've heard all week the Cowboys' pass rush,

their number one in pass rush wins. The 49ers' offensive line aren't that good. Oh, they love this matchup. Really? Did anybody touch Purdy other than the coin toss at the beginning of the game? Did anybody touch him? Listen, this is not fair. Is it a true test to the Cowboys on how good the Cowboys offense can be

when they're playing one of, if not the best defense in the NFL, in Fred Warner and boys? Just curious. Can you do that? Can you say that? But if you are what you say you are, what you want to do? The best got to beat the best. I want to see how great I am by going up against that 49ers.

The 49ers say, we want to see how great we are by going up against that historically great Cowboys offense. They got CeeDee. They can run it with Pollard, Ferguson, and they got Cooks, and they got Michael Gallups, and that great offensive line. Ooh, they haven't played together since they drafted Tyler Smith in the first round. They're going to be playing together. And what happened, Ocho?

Again, you know what? I said the Cowboys have a problem once they get into the red zone scoring. The 49ers say, we ain't going to even let their ass in the red zone. How about that? We ain't going to even let your funky ass in the red zone. The 49ers defense is amazing. It's phenomenal. From the interior to the linebackers to the secondary,

they not allowing nothing, anything. You can't run the ball. You can't throw the ball. It's like it's – I was trying to tell you that. Yeah, well, I never said nothing was wrong with the 49ers defense. I just felt that offensively that the Cowboys would be able to show up regards to who they were playing.

Tonight, it wasn't the case. It definitely wasn't the case. Oh, Joe, look at the Cowboys against the Jets, the Giants, and the Patriots. Right. When they don't get 14, 21 points on pick six and scooping scores. When their special teams aren't giving them short fields. When they have to drive the ball.

And the Cardinals don't have great defense, but when you have to, when you can force Dak to make every throw, every possession, every down matter. How did he look tonight? How did he look tonight? How did he look against the cards?

Is this a Dak problem or maybe a play calling problem? Because, hold on. How many play calling are you going to fire? You got rid of Jason Garrett. You got rid of Kellen Moore. Now you're on your third one. So at what point in time there's a common denominator? Yeah, but you know what I also saw tonight? I saw tonight we have one of the

most prolific NFL receivers in CeeDee Lamb. And I saw the 49ers be able to dictate Nope, no, not locked up. I saw Locked up?

No, no, no, no, no, no. Won't let him out? Not locked up. I saw the Cowboys allow the 49ers to dictate whether or not he can be productive tonight.

You can't have that happen. You can't have things like that happen when your best offensive playmaker is not getting the ball, not getting the touch that's necessary to give your offensive team a chance to win the game or at least be in the game. Ward had him on house arrest. He couldn't come out of the house. You know good well when you're on house arrest,

you can't come out of the house after 6 o'clock. I mean, where they do that, let you out of the house after 6 o'clock on house arrest? They were bracketing him. That's where the creativity comes into play. Understanding what they're going to do to your best player. That's what you saw? Yeah, that's what I saw. Because they didn't play man-to-man until third down.

I saw Ward. I saw Ward had it locked up. You're talking about one play. You're talking about one play. I know what you're locked up. You talking about one play. You talking about one play. I know what you're talking about. How many plays did he make? How many plays did he make? He made a few of them.

I don't know. If you get beat 42-10, ain't nobody make nothing. Ain't nobody make breakfast, lunch, brunch, dinner. Ain't nobody make nothing. They made a mess. Listen, Cowboys didn't play well. They didn't play well. Across the board. Offensive, Cowboys didn't play well. They didn't play well across the board. Offensively, they didn't play well defensively.

So who do you think the problem is? I would love to hear from you. Who do you think the problem was tonight? I think the problem is it's not so much, look, I've been on record. There's a large sample size of what Dak is. Now, if you think Dak is anything more than that, you're fooling yourself. Now, because what have you seen?

What have you seen? I mean, what did your eyes see? You don't see. You're the type of guy that don't want to believe what your eyes tell you. Right. Your eyes tell you that Dak is an average quarterback. That's what your eyes tell you. But why won't you believe what your eyes tell you?

Dak is an average quarterback yes average wait a minute Cowboys in the playoffs last year yes wait a minute were the Cowboys in the playoffs

a year before that yes so an average quarterback is getting his team and giving the chance Wait a minute. Were the Cowboys in the playoffs a year before that? Yes. So an average quarterback is getting his team and giving the chance, giving his team a chance at contention for a Lombardi trophy, and that's what you call an average? Yes. Because nobody has drafted more Pro Bowl players outside of Kansas City in the last decade.

So they have immense talent. They have two guys on the offensive line that's going to the Hall of Fame. Your right guard and your left tackle. They got Michael Parsons. They've done a tremendous job. CeeDee Lamb. Those are drafted players. Tony Pollard, a Pro Bowl player.

But at the end of the day, you said he got them to the playoffs, and then what happens come playoff time? They played this team last year. They played this team the year before. Now tell the people that didn't have television or they didn't watch the game, tell them what happened. Every year, what does Dak do in situations

like this? What does Dak Prescott do? Interception. Interception. Now, a guy lost his job. Kellen Moore lost his job. The offensive coordinator.

If you look at Cowboys offense, since he took over the play calling, they were one or two in the entire league over the last three to four years. He lost his job because Dak kept turning the ball over in big games and in playoffs. Now, here come a big game again. And what did Dak do? Well, I think this come a big game again. And what did that do? Well, I think this is, it's a big game. It's a game that matters, but it's not,

it's a small symbol size on what we need to do, what they need to do, going back to the drawing board so this doesn't happen later on in the season. Because they're going to be in contention. They're going to be in the playoffs again. They're going to meet each other again. And when they do meet each other again, they don't want the same thing that happened tonight to happen again. They're going to meet each other again. And when they do meet each other again, they don't want the same thing

that happened tonight to happen again. But, okay, you say the Cowboys need to make the necessary corrections. Okay? At that playoff time,

you've seen Dak in the playoffs. He's never gotten his team past the divisional round. He's never won more than one playoff game in the regular season. And normally, when they lose

the game, why do they lose the game, Ocho? Turnovers. How does Dak play? Can you say Dak has played well with the exception, and even in the Green Bay game, his first one as a rookie, outside of that game, can you say, you know what man? The Cowboys defense let him down. Or can you go back and say

man, Dak threw two picks. Or the offense didn't do this. Because remember last year, they they held a 4 49ers to what 20 points cowboy and the cowboy scored 12 last year the year before that they got 23 right and the cowboy scored what 16 so we keep hearing about this see this is the way i measure greatness on an offense and the defense right can you go get done what you need to get done when you absolutely have to get it done? Right. If you're a great defense on third down, can you go get them off the field? Can you do it?

If it's third down, can you go get a first down to make sure their offense don't get back on the field? Or you keep matriculating the ball down the field and getting field goal range or get a touchdown? That's the sign of greatness. See, you scoring 100 points don't tell me nothing because I need to see can you go get 25 when you have to, and it's a nip-tuck ball game. Now, what have you seen through five games this year when the Cowboys need it? Can they get it?

You know, everything for the Cowboys this season has really been defense. It has been defense. It has been defense, and that is what has been bailing them out. Offensively, they haven't really been scoring the points that they need to. Now, listen to me. I'm with you when you're right. That's one thing about it. I'm not going to argue or fight with you about what I can see because I

seen the eye test. I done the eye test. You got on your glasses, so you should be able to see real good. I can see, but listen, it's early in the season. We at the quarter poll. We got a long way to go. The regular season will always go well for the Cowboys. How do we fix the mistake?

I keep saying we. How do they fix the mistake so when you get to the postseason, you don't end up with the same results as always? The quarterback play. The quarterback play from Dak has been phenomenal from an interception standpoint. Bad perspective. He's fixed that issue. This year?

Yeah, this year until tonight. Now, tonight it was very unfortunate. You're behind and you're putting yourself in a position where you have to throw the ball. You have to throw the ball. Yes. Interception. What was the other game that he threw the interception in?

It was only one. Arizona. It was only threw the interception in? It was only one. Arizona. It was only one. Yeah, it was only one. Arizona. And why did he throw that interception? Because they were behind? Yeah.

And the possessions matter? Right, right, right. The downs matter? The throws matter? But you know what you do? You know what you do? It's easier defensively when a team is behind and you know they have to throw the ball.

All you have to do is play back. You put that umbrella keep it keep everything in front of you that's what makes it so much easier when you have to play from behind how a defense how much how much easier is to play quarterback when your defense gives you 21 and your special teams give you short fields how much easier to play quarterback then i mean once you got that short field it you would think you would think it's much easier to score and put up points. Oh, you think so? So go back and look at what they did against the Cowboys defense to get against the Giants.

Go back and look at what they did against the Patriots. Go back and look at what they did against the Jets. Now, all of a sudden, when they couldn't get pick sixes and they couldn't get scooping scores and the special teams didn't set up short fields, look at what they did against Arizona and look at what they did against the 49ers. They didn't put up points.

Is Dak still pissed? Because you remember the guy asked him about the 49ers last year. Yeah. And Dak said he was pissed. I said, you trying to piss me off? Now, last season they lost in the playoffs 19-12. The Cowboys defense gave up 19 points. In today's game, you hold a team under 20,

you're supposed to win that game. The previous year, they gave up 19 points in today's game. You hold a team under 20. You're supposed to win that game. The previous year they gave up. They lost 23, 17. Tonight is 42, 10. Now I don't know about you, but it's going in the wrong direction.

It's going in the wrong direction. But again, it's week five. It's week five. You know that you, you know that. And then some, some of the score that you see in the games will be closer later on in the

season. I'm late on, on the back end of the season, you know, especially post-season time, the games will be much closer. You're not blowing nobody out, no 40 to goddamn 10, 42 to 10 for that matter. Dak, last three games against the 49ers, he has

three touchdowns and six INTs. Can I interest you in that? Can you win with those stats? You can't win with those stats, but what we're doing is we're taking away the greatness of what the 49ers defense is, or team in general. But you've been telling me for the first four weeks the Cowboys are great.

So it's two greats against one. It's two greats going to two behemoths. I don't recall ever saying the Cowboys are great. I said the Cowboys are a good team that would be in contention. Don't do that, Ocho. Listen, they're America's team. Their brand sells itself. are great. I said the Cowboys are a good team that would be in contention. Listen, they're America's team. Their brand sells itself. Jerry sells the brand of America's team and them being great itself. I don't have to do it.

How about this? Let's talk about some of the 49ers. Because what they're able to do, Kyle Shanahan, he does so much with Debo. He does so much with IU. Kittle, and how many guys, how

many fullbacks are they going to run a Texas route with? He's throwing the ball to his fullback. He's putting McCaffrey. It's so hard because you've got to defend every blade of grass because Brock Purdy is not afraid. He's unafraid

to throw the ball to anybody that has an eligible number. And when you got Big 71, they made a mistake. I would have never put Michael Parsons. I'm never putting my best pass rusher on Trent Williams because you're neutralizing him. He's done.

Because now I can slide. I'm going to go rip all day. I'm going to rip all day because Trent Williams is going to He's done. Because now I can slide. I'm going to go rip all day. Right. I'm going to rip all day. Because you know the left side is taking care of it. It's over. It's over. It's over. Right.

So you wasting your best pass, Russia, trying to go against him. Look, I understand that you try to get Micah on his blind side. But you do understand that guy's a 10-time Pro Bowler that's protecting the blind side. That's not the blind side of the movie. That's a real protector back there. He's a real deal. But the 49ers

are unbelievable because they can run it, they can throw it. Ayuk is great, run after the catch. Kittle had an outstanding game. Debo was sensational. McCaffrey, again, got the ball in the end zone. He coughed it up. He's going to be kicking himself because that game was about to get out of hand. It was really about to get out of hand.

It ended up getting out of hand, Ocho, but it was about to get out of hand a lot sooner than what it did. I think it's almost unfair. When I thought about it watching the game, and I felt bad for the Cowboys offensively and defensively. No, seriously. Because when I thought about it, it almost seemed unfair that the team that the 49ers have constructed,

and all I could think about was, in basketball terms, the Warriors. When the Warriors had Kevin Durant, they had Steph, and they had Clay. It's like, it's shooters all over the place. And then you have someone like Shanahan with the creativity that he has in calling plays and being able to put the the ball in Brock Purdy's hands and understand I don't have to worry about him throwing interceptions he's always going to he's always going to get the ball the ball is coming out on all time and routes he's putting it right in between the numbers and everything is working and

the funny thing about it is when McCaffrey is hitting and he's on fire, it makes the passing game that much easier. So it's like, how do you stop that? Who has the personnel in the NFL to stop that? That can stop the run, that can stop the screenplay, the smoke routes, and be able to defend the short, intermediate, and long balls. Yeah. You got to pressure Purdy. You got to make it, you got to put him in a situation where he has to play. Because if you notice, they dictate everything. And as long as you're allowing Kyle to dictate, you got to uphill climb. Now, Kyle knows Dan Quinn.

He was his offensive coordinator. So he knows what he likes to run. He knows what he likes to do. And he gots the personnel. He has one offensive lineman that can neutralize. So now we can take our full back and chip his way out. We can take our tight end, chip his way out, and so

that'll give the right guard a look. But they did an outstanding job with the pass rush, a protective birdie. But if you look at on his anticipatory skills, Ocho, the way he throws the ball, when that receiver outside foot hits, and he's going to run the dagger route, or he's going to run in it,

that ball is gone. So by the time he gets to the middle, he hit, I think it was Ayuk. He hit Ayuk on the over route. Yes, I know exactly which one you're talking about. It came right off the line back ahead. Yeah, I know which one you're talking about. There's nothing you can do about it.

Beautiful. Nothing you can do. I mean, this was a clinic last night. I mean, tonight. Brock Purdy, 17-24, 252, four touchdowns, nine touchdowns this season, zero picks, 9.3 yards attempt. For me, I know he doesn't have the gaudy numbers like a Tua,

but he has entered the MVP discussion. You know what? He doesn't have the gaudy numbers like Tua because he doesn't have the type of personnel that Tua has to work with. They got a 4x1 team out there in Miami. They have a 4x1

team out here in Miami. In the Bay Area, what they have is a bunch of dudes that put on their construction hat and they come to work. And they're going to chip

you to death all the way down the field. All the way down the field. They're going to keep on hammering and keep on hammering to get the job done. Out there in Miami,

listen, they're going to jump and dig it again. I think the Dolphins play the 49ers. Yeah, they do. I think the Dolphins play the 49ers. Yeah. That's going to be a matchup. A great matchup. That's going to be a matchup. A great matchup. It's going to jump in. I think the Dolphins play the 49ers. Yeah, they do. I think the Dolphins play the 49ers.

Yeah. That's going to be a matchup. A great matchup. That's going to be a matchup. A great matchup. It's going to be a matchup. Because the thing, because what we, Buffalo kind of gave you the blueprint of how to deal with the Dolphins.

Yeah. Pressure to her. Yeah. Yeah, get him off the spot. Get him off the spot. If you let him have time. He going to kill you. But the problem that they have is that you've got to stop the run.

Because A-Chain. I have a question. Is he the closest thing we've seen to Chris Johnson or Jamal Charles in a long time? Or is that a fair assessment, or am I tripping? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yeah, he's a – there have been very few running backs that you can look back and say, you know what, he's a threat to hit his head on the goal post every time he touched the ball. He really is. I mean, Ocho, the dude got 130, 140 yards on 10 carries. That's college. That's high school. You don't do that in the NFL.

Remember, he goes for 203 on like less than 20 carries against the Broncos. He has seven, eight carries against a Buffalo for 101. So he's put together the 100-yard games, and he might have 40 carries and got over 400 yards. Already. That's crazy. And then you got Reek out there, and you got Waddle, and you got Barrios, and you got the tight –

I mean, they're loaded, but it's going to be a great matchup. But I was very impressed. I think 49ers. I've had the 49ers number one on my power ranking. They did nothing to disappoint me to say I should move them down. Whoa, number one? Yes. And your power ranking for what?

NFC teams, you mean? Oh, you mean? Total, overall. Overall. They're number one for me. Over the Chiefs? How did they leapfrog the Chiefs like that? Just curious.

Yeah, see, I throw last year out the way. We starting this year. Okay, you starting over. All over, all over. You think right now, you think right now the Chiefs are a better team than the Niners? Right now. Okay.

As we sit here and talk. If you want to go that route, if you think the Chiefs are not better than the 49ers right now, then how did you leapfrog the 49ers over the Eagles? Oh, I'm just, I'm leapfrogging,

I'm not leapfrogging them. I'm just saying my eye test. I'm watching these teams. I'm watching everybody play. Right. Now you tell, you watched everybody, and I understand the Eagles

are 5-0. Yeah. You got the Eagles at 5-0 and they're under 49ers. Yes, I do. Because what is the eye test? Because at the end of the day, until they play each other,

but right now, what does your eyes tell you? Okay, the eye test tells me that the 49ers are a great football team and there is no weakness. But then when you look at the Eagles, the Eagles are a great football team with no weakness. And if the Eagles and the 49ers are to play, the personnel that the Eagles have, I think will be better suited to play the 49ers than any other team in the NFL. Any other team because of the personnel they have, especially that interior they had to work with.

The D-line. Oh, my goodness. Because both of them have great D-line and O-line. Because you go on D-line, you go Jalen Carter, and you go Fletcher Cox, and you go Sweat. You go those guys, Brandon Graham. So that would be a great matchup. Let's turn to the AFC.

Chiefs, Dolphins, and Bengals, they win. Bills, Ravens lose. Let's start with the Chiefs first. Looked like Travis Kelsey aborted a major injury. I thought it was something really, really serious. I did too. Because the way he planted and he just gave himself up. So I'm like, oh, please don't let it be.

And, you know, he was like, damn it. But they win. Mahomes 31-41, 281, two touchdowns. What was the big takeaway for you in that game? Big takeaway for me in that game is when you have somebody like Patrick Mahomes, when you have arguably the best player, one of the best players to ever play the position, it makes everyone else's job so much easier, regardless of the circumstance, regardless of what's going on regardless of who

goes out and who comes in he reminds me of that piece that they had in New England at one point who played there for 20 years yeah like no matter who comes in there's one piece of that puzzle that will always remain the same and will always give you a chance no matter what's around him and that was Patrick Mahomes and he showed that again today. Again today. When you have that guy, I played with a guy, John Elway, my quarterback. When you have that guy, even from a defensive standpoint, you know, even if we're down 10, we're down 14, we got a chance. All we got to do is get a stop.

We score, we get another stop. Give the ball back to seven. That's what Brady built. Brady would play bad the entire game. Except when it counted most. But he needs two drives in order to get his team a win. Oh, you might as well book it. You book it.

The funny thing about it is those are pressure situations. And for some reason, certain quarterbacks like Mahomes, Brady, Elway, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, it's a small select few that always rise to the occasion. And what we would consider, even as a former athlete, pressure situations. And I think that's a bad thing for other quarterbacks on other teams because you hold them to such a high standard that you expect that type of play consistently out of them like we do the great ones and that that's really not that's really not the makeup and the landscape of everybody at the position in the nfl and i i at

time that thing is not for and not fair boy they they better be glad uh my homeboy didn't get d hop can you imagine if he had a true number one receiver? Yeah, that would have been nasty. That would have been nasty. That would have been nasty. The Dolphins hammered the Giants. The Giants passed the 2,000 Rams as the most yards through five games. Devon Achan had 151 yards on 11 carries.

The Dolphins had 222 rush yards on the day. Tua continues. He's still in the lead for my MVP. 22 of 30, 308, two touchdowns, two interceptions. Tyreek, nine for a buck, 81, another touchdown. What did you like about the giant what excuse me what did you like about the dolphins being able to pick up where they left off knowing that what happened against the bills that wasn't them that wasn't them again and i just talked to we were just

talking about we talked about how well the 49ers are playing? Yes. This is what I say with the Dolphins. When you play against a team that knows your tendencies, that has a personnel to stop you, you're not playing against the Bills every week, week in and week out. I think what we saw from the Dolphins today, they will be able to execute in that manner against any and everybody else they play

that is not part of their division yes any and everybody anybody outside of the outside of the bills and no i don't think the jets have anything to stop them and yeah because i don't think the jets can can put enough fear in them offensively no no new england doesn't have enough to stop them no so that was that was beautiful from them, especially that the running game was going well. Tyreek Waddle catching passes. Barrios is catching passes on third downs, keeping the chains moving.

Like, what do you do? How do you stop that? Yeah. I mean, this game would have really got out of hand had Tua not thrown those two bad interceptions because the Giants scored their first. The Giants have yet to score through five weeks, an offensive touchdown in the first half.

They got their own lone touchdown this year in the first half on 102 yard pick six. I saw something today and you can take this however you want to people out there listening. I don't think Daniel Jones is a very good quarterback. But his offensive line is worse at blocking than he is at quarterback. And now you got a match made in hell. I'm paying him $40 million if he can finish

the season upright. I mean, because I watched, and I watched this game very closely today, Ocho. Ocho. I was watching. That man take three steps, his back foot hit, and the guy hitting him in the back is here. Every time. I tweeted it out. I tweeted it out at some point. I tweeted it out. I was watching. That man take three steps, his back foot hit, and the guy hitting him in the back is here. Yeah, every time. I tweeted it out. I tweeted it out at some point. I tweeted it out. Oh my goodness. They gonna get Daniel Jones hurt.

And right after my tweet, everybody sent me oh, Daniel Jones just went out. They were hitting him upside the head over and over. You can only take so much punishment for so long. We only in week five, man. We only in week five man we only in week five hello think about what you said there you're in week five and the giants have allowed 30 sacks already

so let's go okay you go to 10 that's 60 you go to 15 games that's 90 so you tell me what quarterback they're gonna have they're gonna have to have a eight-man roster with just quarterbacks right because ain't no quarterback gonna be able to you you think a quarterback can take that many hits i'm saying sack yeah i'm not saying how many times they've been hit right i'm saying the giants have allowed 30 sacks so how many hits have they allowed so that's i i feel you know what bro like i said i i feel bad for the man because man. Because that's what they're paying him for. So how about this? How about maybe he's not that bad of a quarterback,

but the fact that he continues to get hit so much, gets sacked so much, it takes away from his ability to actually play the position at his highest level because of that. I'm just asking. What he should do. I'm just saying. I'm not taking up for him.

I'm just asking. No, that might be the case. But I think what he should do. I'm just saying. I'm not taking up for him. I'm just asking. No, that might be the case. But I think what he should do is find out what the Minnesota Vikings' favorite charity is and donate some money because they got him paid what he did in that playoff game. That got him paid, Ocho. That's what got him paid. One game. They disregarded

everything that they had solved up until that point and said, you know what? This is who we can be moving forward. So, but you pay, it's like, it's like, I'm worth $40 million, but I live in a dilapidated building. And I wonder why I got, I got,

I'm breathing in mold and asbestos and rats are walking. Look at that offensive line. That offensive line is terrible. Yeah. Terrible. Listen, it's unfortunate. It's very unfortunate, especially today. Today is showing, especially after Evan Neal came out and said what he said, and to have a day like today, you know, where your quarterback goes out. I want him to talk.

Your quarterback goes out and he leaves the game with an injury. Like pride alone, pride in itself should have you blocking anything trying to get to him. The Giants offensive lineman, they shouldn't even talk. They should hold up cue cards. Say, we're not going to talk until we win a game. I mean, y'all getting that man hit. They hitting that man everywhere but the bottom of his feet

they hit him like you said they hit him inside his head they hit him in his back they hit him in his ass they hit him in his thigh ankles the only thing he didn't get hit was his cleats bottom of his feet what do you do what's the answer because Tyrod Taylor came and he tried to do what he could he tried to move

the ball tried to move it efficiently and they hammering him. He went get it. Tyron was getting hit too. You know Tyron come to the game all dressed up, man. He left, they done tore all his clothes off. Like he got in a fight with a tiger. Man, that Louis, all the highest stuff that he be wearing, they had to rip the shreds off, my man.

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technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's get to your team. The Bengals bounce back in a big way. Joe Burrow, 36-46, 317, three touchdowns. Jamar Chase, three touchdowns coming in the week.

He has set a Bengals record. 15 catches, a buck 92, three tubs. He told them last week, pardon my language. Don't pardon it, go ahead and say it. But I'm always open. last week, pardon my language, but I'm always open. What'd he say, Ocho? I'm always open. I'm always fucking open. And he meant every word of it.

He meant every word of it. And Joe was looking for him and he did a great job of getting open and staying open. And the Bengals needed this. They needed a game to like, okay, this is us. This is the way we're supposed to play. This is the way Joey B is supposed to do it.

This is the way Jamar Chase. Because here's the thing. Remember T. Higgins? I don't think T. Higgins played. Did T. Higgins play? I don't think T. Higgins played. T. Hurt. Irwin.

Irwin played. So Irwin had a big day. But Boyd was huge for him in the slot. And so now Chase knows, bro, I got to stand tall. I got to be what my jersey number says. Receiver number one, I got to be him for real. Yeah. Because I ain't got my brother on the other side that's going to lift anything.

Right. Hey, anytime you see one – Joey, if you see one guy on me, throw it. If you see two guys on me, throw it. If you see three guys on me and two of them back turn, throw it. Listen. What you saw today, I like the creativity, obviously, that they were doing offensively. I think the Cardinals, I'm not sure what the Cardinals

were thinking. There were a few times they tried to bracket him and it didn't work on that third touchdown in the back of the end zone. They tried to bracket him, but it was too late. Joey had to flush a little bit. He was able to find him a little late. The other plays, I don't know. Was it Corden? No, it wasn't

Corden because the safety... That touchdown over the top. Yeah, I'm like, bro, safety. You got to get on your horse. He was on his horse. Chase is just that fast. The front side safety squatted for no reason. Bro, you got to keep sinking. You know what?

The slot dude, he was covered. I'm not sure why he even dropped down to even try to cover that. There was no point. Thank you. There was no point. There was no point. That's called overcoaching. They needed that game.

He The Bills after a big game last week, they Josh Allen 27-40, 3-59, two touchdowns, one interception. The Buffalo Bills, 15 yards on 10 carries. They lose to the Jags.

Was that bad Bills or good Jags? I think it's good Jag defense because that defense is very good. The Jag defense is very good. And obviously, they are potent on offense as well with Calvin Ridley, Travis Etienne. And we know what Trevor Lawrence can do. They got Christian Kurtz.

They got Jones. They got Zay Jones. They got Evan Ingram. They've done a great job. Dougie P has done a great job of surrounding Trevor with some nice pieces of Calvin Ridley on that big third down. He runs the goal route from the slot. And my grandmother used to always say, Ocho,

boy, if you leave your door open, flies come in. If you impress coverage, you cannot open the door. Flies will come in your house. So if you're in a press position, either press. If you're not going to press, back your butt up. Because what did he do? He opened the door, flies came in his house, 39 yards later,

Calvary really had a first down. Listen, I always say it as a former DB myself. If you're going to press, you got to get your hands on him. Or at least try. Do something. Don't get up there and be pretty because you're not going to be able to shadow nobody from up that close. No. And that's my thing.

Guys, get up there. Do you realize what you've done? Is that if you get in a press position and you open the door, he's already even with you. At least if you were back, he would have to run to catch up with you. Step on your toes.

So just think about what you've done. Now, he's going that way. You're going to have to turn and open your hips. think about what you've done now you're in a you're in a he's going he's going that way you're gonna have to turn and open your hips it's not man benny db in the history of the game there have been a few maybe time and and a daryl green that can turn open the hips and just be in and be in your hip pocket foot to foot most of the time yes most of the time you're not going to be able to do that it ain't happening so if you're going to get up there in that press position, you got to put hands on that man.

Yeah. I think the outcome of the game, I'm not sure if it would have been different because the Bills were able to throw the ball. They were able to throw the ball a little bit, but you got to establish a running game. You got to establish a running game to keep the defense honest. You got to establish a running game. If you can't

establish a running game, it makes everything that much easier from a defensive standpoint on what plays are called because, okay, we're not even blitzing like that and our front four is really stopping you. Ed, all of us had a fucking day. Oh, excuse me. My bad. Yeah. You know what? I think Matt Milano getting injured

really hurt them because now you saw the Jags because he's good at run stuffing and he can drop in pass coverage. So now you take the heartbeat of that defense out. Remember, just think I was, and I was saying the build has going to get even better because of the way Milano was playing and they're about to get Von Miller back. So now you got a guy that can turn the lights out of the building and you

don't have to do anything for him. And you got Milano playing at an all-pro level. And now he goes down. He's lost from the season, broken, I think it said fibula or tibia, and possible ACL damage. We're hoping that's not the case, but it looks like he's done for the season. But you're right. Buffalo is going to have to find some resemblance of a run game.

You just can't ask Josh to drop back and throw the ball 40, 50 times a game and expect to win. No, no. I mean, it's possible. It's possible, especially with what they have offensively. But you can't be playing a team that is really, really good on defense and really has a very, very good offense and expect to win by not running the ball.

That's not going to happen. Now, you're playing the Broncos, somebody like that, I understand. And no disrespect to them. I'm just saying based on what they've showed this year, there's certain teams you can get away with that. You could not have a run game and just throw the ball up and down the field.

I think the problem that, the reason why I say Buffalo can't do that, because Josh is turnover prone. And the more time you ask him to put the ball in the air, the greater the chances are he's going to turn it over. So I wouldn't ask him to do that, but they got to get some resemblance of a running game. The Ravens and Lamar Jackson fall apart offensively

and they lose to the Steelers. What happened to Baltimore? We'll touch on the Steelers in a minute. What happened to Baltimore? Again, like I told you those divisional games those divisional games playing Steelers Ravens it's always like that it's it's dirty it's grimy nothing about it it's pretty and you get situations like that in the fourth quarter when you need it most, at times it's very difficult. It's very difficult when you have someone that knows what you do, they know what you do well, they know how to counter everything

that you are going to do, and they know how to stop it. Then you have the personnel in that AFC North. You have the personnel on how to deal with Lamar, how to deal with the runs, how to deal with the RPOs, the play actions. And that's just how those games go in that division. And it's always that way. The games are always close. It's never pretty.

It ain't never pretty in the scoring and it's never high. And Cleveland, the Browns, the Bengals, the Steelers. Every game they play is always like that. Very seldom is it a high scoring, a pretty game like we saw tonight with the Cowboys in the 90s. In the 49ers. Yeah, never a blowout like that. Always close.

Close and ugly. But the Ravens had this game. They did, yeah. Right before the half. It's fourth down. They're 22nd on the clock. And the Ravens try to get cute. Kick the field goal.

Don't talk about, well, we didn't want to give them a chance. Bro, if they go down the field in 16 seconds, if Kenny Pickett can take them down the field and get in field goal range, that's your defense. That's on your defense. You got cute. The center snapped the ball when he wasn't supposed to. And then you end up getting no points.

They dropped five passes. Everybody knows Nelson Aguilar. His nickname is 50-50. There's a 50% chance he catch it. There's a 50% chance he drop it. Okay. He had a goal ball for a touchdown. He dropped it.

That's him. Go back and look at it with the Raiders. Go back and look at the Patriots. Go back and look at it with the Eagles. I'm not making this stuff up. He has more retriever than receiver. Retriever will pick up something that you throw out there and bring

it back to you. A receiver will catch it. So he has more retriever in him. I'll bring it back to you after he's hit the ground as opposed to catching it on the fly. Don't talk about Madal like that. Don't do him like that. Listen, we all drop balls. We all drop balls. But the one he dropped, it was magnified

because it was a very important catch that would have given them six points. Rashad Bateman also had an important drop in the end zone as well. They they had five drops yeah but lamar threw a horrible interception ocho yeah you can't throw the back shoulder and miss inside the reason why you throw the back shoulder is because the guy is inside right right you you can't you cannot miss that bad lamar you got you've got that's third down ocho at worst case scenario we've got to, you've got, that's third down, Ocho. At worst case scenario,

we've got to come away with points. Forget, even if we don't score a touchdown, Ocho, we can't end the drive with a turnover. We just can't.

Shit happens. You've been in that position before. Maybe not in the position of playing quarterback, but understanding the mistakes that happen in pressure situations like that when you want to win,

when you want to be precise, when you want to throw that ball on the back shoulder, on that upfield shoulder away from the DB, sometimes it doesn't come out right. And that was the result for the day. Bro, he's lost his seventh fumble of the season.

He's got to do a better job of taking care of the football, Ocho. We can't. Look, here's the thing. This is what the coaches always said. Look, guys are going to get beat. They get paid too. But let's not exacerbate a situation.

If a guy gets beat, if a guy misses a play, don't exacerbate it by fumbling the football, by giving them the ball. Let's just make sure we hold on to the ball and either punt it away or get another crack at them. He's got to do a better job. And I'm going to say something that's very unpopular right now. Let me ask you a question. I'm going to take T.J.

Watt and I'm going to what he's been doing the last five years and I'm going to put him on the Cowboys. And I'm going to take Micah Parsons with what he's been doing and I'm going to put him on the Steelers. Right. What you think? You still getting the same production?

I think T.J. Watt is better. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I say you still getting the same production. Bro. You still getting the same. T.J. Watt had 22 and a half sacks. Go look at the numbers. Go look at theacks. Go look at the numbers.

Go look at the numbers. Go look at the numbers. You say I'm getting the same production. Look at the sack numbers. I'm just, okay, how long has Michael been in the league? Three years? This is year three. It's only year three.

This is three? Okay. It's only year three. Okay. Let's look at, we're going to put up the sacks. We're going to put up the sack totals. We're going to tackle for losses. We're going to put up forced facks. We're going to put up the sack totals. We're going to tackle for losses. We're going to put forced fumbles.

Because all I know is T.J. White is kicking down the door every day. Every time. Every time, no matter who they playing. I mean, he and Minka Fitzpatrick are the Steelers' defense. They are the Steelers' defense. High Smith was outstanding today also. High Smith had a big script set uh but i i believe if t.j watt was doing what he's doing in pittsburgh was doing it for the cowboys

because you got to understand the cowboys are on tv every effing sunday because they draw so everybody fox want them on cbs want them on n NBC wants him on, ESPN wants him on. It was a time the stadium was like that though now. It was the time. They were, but the Cowboys have always been like that. Even when the Cowboys was bad, the Cowboys was on TV.

Because of that fan base. Absolutely. Absolutely. Right now, my eyes on a consistent basis, it tells me T.J. Watt is, okay. Absolutely. Yeah, that was before me. Right now, my eyes, on a consistent basis, it tells me T.J. Watt is better than Micah. You know what? Everything is based off stats. Everything is based off stats, and that's all we have to go off of.

That's all we have to go off of. But I think if you were to ask defensive coordinators or ask other defensive ends, just off an eye test, they are both phenomenal. They're both good. So it's like it's a hard choice for me. We judging a beauty contest. We can't have two Miss Americas.

We can't have two Miss Universes. You got to pick one? You got to pick one. You got to pick one. I like Michael Parsons. I mean, that's nothing against T.J. Watt. That's like saying Rihanna, Beyonce. Well, goddamn, either way you go, you can't go wrong. You got to take one.

It's based on preference. No preference. How about this? How about this? I got one better for you. Michael Jordan or LeBron? Y'all already know. Stop playing with me.

You know, go James, where it's at. See, but either way, either way, no matter which way you go, you still can't go wrong.

You still right. One of the few times where it's a win, it's a win, win. It's a win, win. Either way. Okay.

So if you had to rank the AFC right now, how would you rank them? Chiefs, obviously. you had to rank the AFC right now, how would you rank them? Chiefs, obviously. Over your Dolphins? Yeah. I thought you loved the Dolphins. I do. I love the Dolphins, but I want to stay within reality, too,

based on those who've had two Super Bowls in the last four years. Chiefs, my Dolphins, I like to say my Bengals are back on track. I like to say my Bengals- So you got them in front of the Bills? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Most definitely.

Most definitely. And obviously I had the Bills right after that. I would go Dolphins, Chiefs, Bills. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah. I test. I test. I test. I'm just going Bills. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah. I test. I test.

I test. I'm just going I test. Okay, okay. I'm just going I test. I'm just going I test. I'll stay with that. I'll stay with that. I got Dolphins, Chiefs, Bills, Jags, Bengals. Come on. Come on. Come on now with the bullshit now. Jags bingos come on come on

come on now with the bullshit now I don't even curse cause I'm saved but here you go with the bullshit Jags bingos Jags bingos

that's why I'm asking I thought you were doing the eye test I do the eye so if you doing the eye test if you doing the eye test I was watching the bingos my eyes were crossed

I've been watching the bingos they be going all over I was like well damn what y'all doing this for so that's why that's why I had to put Our eyes were crossed. I've been watching the bigger. They be going all over the place. I go, well, damn, what y'all doing this for? So that's why I had to put this fire. So that's why I'm bad with that one, though, Joe.

Y'all be all over the place, though, Joe, so I don't know what I'm going to get y'all. Come on, man. Man, you got me sweating up in here. Hey. Joy. Hey. Hey, don't do my boy. Oh, shit.

My stomach hurt. But y'all, I mean, considering, Ocho, you know there was a point in time that you guys weren't in the top five. It took a performance like today just to get y'all to five for me. That's what I kept trying to tell you, though. I kept trying to get you to understand. I know what you're seeing right now is not really us, and I kept trying to tell you and explain that to you. Don't worry about what's going on at the beginning of the season.

We always start over, too. You know y'all got the 49ers, right? Who? Y'all got the 49ers, too. We're going to win that game, too. Oh, let me get something on it right now. Let's do this right now. Let's bet.

Let's bet. And you know, I'm not even a gambling man, but I bet whatever. I bet whatever. I guarantee, and I'm standing on business. Oh, I got this one. I'm standing on business. I'm standing on business. Like Druski say, I guarantee you we beat the 49ers. And we going to Levi's Stadium. I don't even wear Levi's.

I only wear 501s. Yeah. I do. They going to beat the blue jeans off you. Boy, it's one thing. It's one thing. If you know about this NFL, week in and week out, ain't no telling the team that you expect to win each week.

It don't always go the way you think it's going to go. And I'm telling you right now because I got the script. If you a betting man, listen to me. Don't listen to Shannon. I guarantee you. When they get done with y'all, I bet they beat the back pockets off y'all jeans. You'll see. When I was crumpled up, I know you didn't know anything about the most smooth booties.

The women had jeans that didn't have back pockets on them. We called them smooth booties. Nah. So when they get done with y'all, y'all ain't gonna have no back pockets on the back of y'all jeans. You'll see. What's the bet? Make a light on yourself, man. Make a light on yourself.

I want we better band let's better band a band you talking about marching 100 you know I tell you what this is what I want I tell you this is what we gonna do I wanna bet $100 and I want I want you what, this is what we're going to do. I want to bet $100,

and I want you to pay mine off in Buffalo nickels. Buffalo nickels? Yeah, because I want you to go to the bank and ask the cashier, can you get $100 of Buffalo nickels? And she's going to say, Mr. Johnson, why do you need Buffalo nickels? And then you're going to say, because I lost a bet to Shannon Sharp. See, I don't want your money. I want your pride. See, damn your money. I got money. I want your pride. I want you to go explain to people why you need $100 worth of Buffalo Nichols. Listen, I'm never wrong when it comes to the game of football.

You don't understand. I have the script. And the way the season is going, you know, next week, not this weekend, the weekend after, because we play the Seahawks first, and then we got, wait, we want to see. No, y'all wait. It's like a month away before y'all play the big people. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

When did they play? I thought it was the 15th. No, the 15th we play the Seahawks. Then we play the 49ers. Then we got the bye week. Or I might be wrong. In two weeks. In two weeks.

So I'm right. Yes. Yeah, see, I told you. Yeah. Seahawks come to us. Then we go to Levi's Stadium. And we finna win. Y'all got a bye.

It's in three weeks. So y'all play Seattle, buy it then. Okay, so I was right then. I was right. You know what it is. You was right when y'all played, but you're going to be right that y'all going to win. Bet.

Bet is on. Oh, we see. And bet that band, too. Go ahead. Bet that band. Bet. Okay. Bet it.

You got like you said something. Yeah, bet. I just want Sherell to know that's $1,000 off that gift. Sherell, your gift just cost $1,000 less because he just lost some money. I'm going to get the ban from her if I do lose. That ain't got nothing to do with me. It's going to spend the same. The Broncos lose again to the Jets.

We all know what Sean Payton said earlier to the Jets. We all know what Sean Payton said earlier in the offseason. It was the worst coaching job about Nathaniel Hackett. He's now the offensive coordinator for the Jets. He was formerly the head coach of the Broncos. And Sean Payton and Russ exchanged words on the sideline. Is this marriage going to end after this season, or do they start like, you know what, we know we're going to end it after this season,

and then we just go ahead and just try to get Caleb Williams? Wait, they can't end it. How are they going to end it? They just paid him. Oh, they're getting out of money. He's not going to be in Denver after this year. They just paid him. How are you going to go anywhere?

I don't know how to cap stuff working and dead money and all that stuff. The Packers are eating 50 million in dead money. Right. Or Aaron Rodgers. Did you see what they did with Nick Foles? All that dead money that the Eagles ate and Indy ate. They don't care nothing about that, man. They eat that dead money. Caleb Williams to Denver.

Is that what we doing? Yep. Might as well. Wait, already? Yeah. Hey, y'all be throwing. I mean, y'all be throwing I mean we y'all we well we we y'all be throwing in this house

so early man you watching Russ you watching okay what chance do the Broncos have you watching Russ play Russ can't move anymore what made Russ unique was his ability to escape the rush Russ can't outrun me.

He can't get away from his kids. If his kids, his two and three year olds start chasing him, they catch him. What are you watching the game? I'm not telling you anything, Ocho, that people don't see.

People, I mean, sometimes the show you be, I'm just telling you, what do you see? Russ cannot get away from the Russ, the Rush anymore. I, I don't, I, It's hard for me to even say.

I'm trying to conjure up something to defend Russ Witt, but it's hard. Well, go ahead. Try. At first, it was Nathaniel Hackett. Remember, it was Nathaniel Hackett. He should have been the coordinator. He should have been the head coach. He should have called plays.

So now, I'm not saying that he's not, Sean Payton is not without blame here now because here's the problem that Russ has. Sean Payton coaches hard. Russ has never been coached like that. You see, it's easier to be coached hard and go somewhere easy as opposed to being somewhere easy and then being coached hard. Well, I mean, he's been playing football all his life.

And I'm sure at some point along that journey, he's had a coach that, you know, is a little hard on him. You can't be soft about it, especially at this level. You just told me. Now, I remember you and I was having a conversation earlier when we first started Nightcap. You said they talk to the quarterbacks differently. They treat the quarterbacks

differently. Now you got to... You're not supposed to. I mean, as you know, that's the rule. Call the rule number one. You never chastise a quarterback in front of the team or other players. You just don't. That's the way it's... Publicly. Yeah, publicly. You just don't. Right. But Sean

Payton coaches hard. Right, right, right. Bill Parcells is his mentor. Yeah, you just don't. Right. But Sean Payton coaches hard. Right, right, right, right. Bill Parcells is his mentor. Yeah, Tom Coughlin. Okay. Okay. He also, guess who else learned up on Parcells? Bill Belichick.

Yeah. Now, what did you say Bill Belichick did with Tom Brady the first time, that first meeting? Man, he let him have it in front of the whole team. And listen, that moment, I understood that everybody in that room was expendable. Everybody in that room was expendable. It's the year they lost to the Jets when Mark Sanchet was the quarterback in the playoffs. Mark Sanchet.

Yeah, Rick Ryan was the D coordinator. Man, he said the whole point of the season hadn't even started yet. This is the first goddamn meeting. This is the bullshit we can't have if we're thinking about getting to the Super Bowl. And he put on all the mistakes. Because Russ was careless with the football.

Do you realize that Russ has 70 yards passing through three quarters? Yeah. But is that not on Sean Payton? And DJ Reed was out of the game. Look here. I don't care what type. I give you some terrible ingredients.

I don't care what type of chef you are. You can't make it taste good. Okay. Boom. Bingo. First year together. First year together. Getting to know each other.

Are we throwing in the towel on that already? On that relationship? Ocho, let me ask you a question. Let's just say for the sake of argument, you say, you know what? You and the wife say, you know what? We're going to splurge. You know what? We're going to go get this pad down in Tampa. That thing $20 million. Are you expecting to do

any upgrades or are you expecting to move in? For $20 million, I'm moving in. And everything better be ready. The Broncos ownership, the Walton-Penner family, they paid a coach $18 million, and they're paying a quarterback $47 million. And you talk about we're going to build? We got time to do what?

Not if I got $65 million tied up and quarterbacking a head coach. I ain't waiting on nothing. Sometimes you can't pay your way to success. Sometimes you got to work on it. Sometimes you got to work your way through it. You can't,

it's like when you get married. You have the ceremony, you have the reception, you have the honeymoon, you think things are going to go good. Sometimes it goes up, sometimes it comes down.

But you got to keep on working on it until you find that happy medium right in the goddamn middle. And that's where they at right now. Ocho, it takes a special type of coach to come in and coach. It's almost like dating someone with kids. It's easy.

Man, they made my damn kids. I ain't finna put up with that bull job. Hey, listen. That's something special now. When you date a woman with kids, you know what you don't have to worry about? She gonna always have snacks in the cupboard. Hey. She gonna always have some snacks.

Okay, snacks in the cupboard. And Sean Payton's like, hold on. I ain't trade for him. Right, right. I ain't pay him. You know how coaches like to get their players. Just like a general manager likes to get his coach. New ownership

like to get their coach. I won't mind. This is mine. But what is the best fit? Where's another option outside of Russell Wilson after this season? Where are we going? What are we doing? Think about it. Let's think long term. What's the long term answer to the situation right now?

I think Sean Payton wants his. He wants his. Look. Who? Drew Brees? Drew Brees ain't walking through that door. No, no, no. Drew was done.

Drew had no more tread on the tire. But let me ask you a question. Now, last year, they were two and three. They're one and four. And supposedly, allegedly, they got better coaching. Allegedly better. Russell was supposed to be better. You tell me Russ looks better this year than he looked last year.

And he looked like stir fry last year. Now, right now, he looking like Moo Moo Galpain. Who? Yeah. I ain't even say General Joe's chicken. He Moo Moo. I tell you, these Chinese fool. Nah, I don't know them people.

Yeah, he Moo Moo. He ain't even stir fry. So we only at the quarter pole of the season. Are you giving up on Russ? Are you giving up on the Broncos in general? Just asking. Well, look, the Broncos in general? Just ask him. The Broncos, we look.

I understand that we got Sean Payton, but look, they saw Russ. It's like a fighter. You remember what he once was, but what do you see now? What do you see, Ocho? Listen, sometimes that fighter, they can catch their second win.

Sometimes that fighter catches their second win in their seventh round, and all of a sudden you get to round eight, nine, and ten, eleven, and twelve, and it's a whole different fight. It's a different fighter. Ocho, he can't beat good teams anymore.

He'll beat teams that are inferior, but when have the Broncos won a game that they weren't supposed to win they were supposed to be chicago what when did the when was the time the broncos won a game in the last two years and you say man we weren't supposed to win that one but we won that one you were supposed to be chicago yeah i don't know the group let me tell you what the good quarterbacks do they normally 90 of the time beat the team that they're supposed to be and it's 50 50 they win 75 of those right that's what the good that's what the really good ones do you know what else the really good ones have is no i'm not even gonna go there you're right i'm gonna leave i'm gonna leave it at that you're right i mean think about look here they gave the broncos gave

up they gave up three first round picks three second round picks a fifth round pick they gave five years 245 million 165 guaranteed they gave sean payton five years 100 million dollars and all of this to be one and four? They got six wins in their last 22 games. Somebody gots to go. You know what? That family that bought the Broncos, they're business people, right?

And you know when it comes to business, sometimes you put your money in their stuff, and it don't turn out the way you want it to right away just because you invested a certain amount into it. Sometimes you got to work. Yeah, I'm sure when the Walton family started, as soon

as they put money in the summer, it didn't turn around and you saw a profit right away. Sometimes that happens. You remember what they did in the pandemic? They closed some Walmarts. The less profitable Walmarts, they closed them both down. I don't know if you understand. They have things what they call a write-down.

That thing losing, we'll write it off. We're gone. Hey, you say you financial. Your financial people told you about writing things down, right? You put it in this year, and it goes into this year. So next year, you start with a clean slate. You better stop playing. You say you like chess. You better stop playing.

You say you like chess, so they play chess. Everybody else looking at it as checkers. I'm telling you now, I ain't – hey, I think I'm playing what I ain't. That's crazy how the business work, though. It's crazy. It's crazy how the business work. Two years, they already ready to fold on you already. Yes! Ocho, we don't have time.

It's too much money. I can't let you drag. I can't let you get another $45 million of my dollars for another 3-14 season. I can't do that. You know what's going to happen? This is the thing. There really is no answer.

Because if you do go somewhere else, you do get another quarterback. You go draft a rookie, you're still going to be in the same boat. That's like saying a woman pushing you to get married, and she say, well, you're taking too long to ask me. You leave and go deal with somebody else, and he ain't going to ask you either. So you're still stuck in the same goddamn situation.

But guess what? I already know I've been with you for two years. So if you ain't going to make the move, because I already know what I'm going to get, I'm going to search for somebody else they might see you said I can't find anybody better who's to say I can't

I'm not finna be that oh I'm so you want me to be beholden because I'm unafraid to go try to find something better well statistically speaking the chance you find something better is slim to none

based on statistics hold on you're talking about based on statistics. Hold on. And based on Russell Wilson. You talking about Russ five years ago. You don't think I can find anything better than this Russell Wilson right now. Right now? As hard as it is to have a decent quarterback in this NFL?

I'm saying you saying I can't find next year a quarterback that can give me better at this production, if not better, for a cheaper price than what Russell. Are you telling me that right now? What are you going to find? I'm just, don't worry about that. Don't you worry about, see, there you go.

Well, who you talking to? See, that's how the women that were there. Who you talking to? Don't worry about that. Don't you worry about who I'm talking to. I'm not going to be talking to you no more. That's all you need to worry about. Don't worry about who I might be talking to. I might not be talking to. Don't worry about that. Don't you worry about who I'm talking to. I'm not going to be talking to you no more. That's all you need to worry about. Don't worry about who I might be talking to. I might not be talking to nobody,

but it won't be you. One thing about the NFL, they always feel well, everybody's replaceable. Everybody's replaceable. Thank you. Everybody's replaceable. Let's start there. Everybody's replaceable, but the quarterback position, you understand the landscape.

Players coming out of college, quarterbacks that are in the NFL now, some that are not in the NFL at this moment. You understand how difficult it is to find one that is efficient. You know how difficult that is, right? And you're making it sound so easy. Ocho, I got $ 10 million in my pocket. There ain't no houses that I look like, but one might become available a little later.

How do we know Kyler Murray don't become available? How do we know that? Why would Kyler Murray, if Kyler Murray becomes available, he'll be playing for the Arizona Cardinals because he gives them their best chance to win. Who gives the Broncos their best chance to win. Who gives the Broncos their best chance to win right now, even though things aren't going well, even at one and four? What are the quarterback out there?

I'm not talking about right now. I'm saying moving forward. I think, listen, this year, no, but I do not believe Russell Wilson will be in Denver next year. I don't believe Russell is the long-term answer to what the Broncos want or need. That is my personal opinion. The man has 70 yards through three quarters.

70. So that's all his fault. So let me ask you a question. See, you keep saying it's all his fault. I'm just asking you, is it all his fault? I mean, this is a team game offensively. But let me ask you a question. How many come from behind wins you got?

Or they gave that to Carson? You see that? See, Russell got 40 game-winning drives. How many receivers got? How many the O-line got? Oh, oh, so it's not all his fault but he get all the credit okay i see yes you i like i like how you flip that on me though that was a good one that was a good one patriots worst shutout loss in the belichick era matt

jones over the last two games four interceptions pick sixes, a fumble return for a touchdown. He threw for 150 yards against Dallas. He threw for 110 yards against New Orleans. Zero touchdowns, benched twice, and outscored 69-3. How much longer does Coach Belichick stick with Mike Jones? You can't just keep benching a quarterback and keep sticking it back out there the next week. You can't do that, Ocho. You can't.

Who they going to put in there? Zeppi? Bailey Zappi. Zappi? You drafted it. Bailey Zappi. Zappi. Obviously, they got Mac Jones starting for a reason

because they feel Mac Jones gives them the best chance to win, but obviously it's not happening. You remember last year they pitched Mac Jones gives them the best chance to win. But obviously, it's not happening. Especially based on what we saw. You remember last year they benched Mac Jones. Yeah. Shoot, they benched him last week, too. They benched him last week, too. No, they actually benched him for a game.

They benched him for at the start of the game. Not during the game. The start of the game. How much longer? Fans were booed. Look here. The Patriots fans should not boo at all. You've had the longest stretch of prosperity in NFL history. Do you understand from 2001 until 2019, what happened?

You went to nine Super Bowls. You won six. You shouldn't boo. You should say, you know what, hey, I don't care what happened because nothing can take it. Bro, do you understand how great you've had it? Yeah, I think they understand they understand but obviously it's the winning ways it's the winning ways you're spoiled now you ever have a woman that you continuously

just do for and do for and do for do for and things are always good so you're always expecting good you're always expecting things to be perfect and it's just not it's just not the case that's not the landscape or the dynamic of that team right now. Even the expertise and brilliance of the coaching mind of Bill Belichick can't fix the situation going on over there right now until you get a quarterback that is efficient. And I'm not trying to say Mac Jones is not competent, but one that doesn't turn the ball over. You're not going to have a chance to win.

You're just not. Brady could make, obviously he had guys that could really play, but Brady could elevate guys that were just, if they were anybody else, they would be here. He could get them to here. That's not what Mack Jones, Mack Jones need great players to elevate him.

Jalen Waddle, Devontae Smith, harris nicks obviously the coaching is a push but you look at what he had to elevate him now he doesn't have that level of talent to elevate him right he needs to be elevated tom brady could elevate that's that's the funny thing about college which is very scary when it comes to drafting when it comes to drafting players you don't know what you're going to get from the quarterback because once you get to the nfl the level of talent evens out it evens out and if you don't have true superstars you never know how good that quarterback going to be because ain't no telling what's going to happen because you have you have good players around you yeah i mean you're on the pages you have good players around you but you have to play at such a different

level to make sure your team has a chance and that's just not what they're getting that's just not what they're getting okay let's talk about this drake joe budden's beef joe budden took a shot at drake said he's making music for children completely disregarding his older fan base uh why are you still effing the 25 year old you're a 37 year old billionaire 37 year old billionaire who side you on i love everybody i like joker j and rap joke and rap joke and rap he can do his thing when it's time to get on that mic

I love Drake Drake is great one of the best artists of this generation maybe of all goddamn time in general based on the run that he's on right now

longevity and consistency and understanding what it's going to take to remain at the top. And he's been able to do that. Not very many artists can do that. He's evolved. His sound has evolved with the times

to make sure the fan base continues to carry. Sound like you on Drake's side. Listen, I just told you I love both. I love both. I love both. But my both. I love both. But my thing is that Drake is making music. Look, I own a podcast.

And when sponsors and advertisers reach out, I send a deck. They want to know. They want to know the demographics. Okay, what's the 18 to 24-year-old looking like? What's the 25 to 34? What's the 35 to 44? What's the 35 to 44? What's the 45 to 54? What's that looking like? What's

the percentage out of men? What's the percentage out of women? What's the percentage of education? Are they married? College degree? All that. So Drake is looking at it like, hold on. The people that's streaming and buying my music is in this demographic.

Right, right, right. I'm going to make... Drake is looking at it like, hold on. The people that are streaming and buying my music is in this demographic. Right, right, right. I'm going to make... Advertisers. Who are advertisers appealing to? Every once in a while, you get a Cadillac commercial, but most of the time, they're appealing to people 18 to 24, 25 to 34.

Okay? What's up? I think maybe Joe holds Drake to a higher standard than everybody else. Because if you look at other rappers and what they rap about, the content that they rap about, it's similar to the same thing, regardless

of age. You know, you have rappers that are 36 and 37 and still rapping about the same thing they were rapping about, you know, 10, 15 years ago. Is it making money? Yes. So let me ask you a question. That's the goal. So were rapping about, you know, 10, 15 years ago. He was making money? Yes. So let me ask you a question. That's the goal. So in other words, in five years from now, you want us to change nightcaps so we just go talk financials

because I'll be 60 and you'll be five years older. So let's stop talking about this here stuff and we're going to start talking financials. I mean. That's not what our audience wants to hear from us. Right, right. That's not what Drake's audience wants to hear from us.

Right. Because the audience will tell you what they want. What they want to hear, yeah. When they stop buying your music, when they stop buying your product, they telling you either you make a shift

or we're going to shift for you. Yeah, I think that... Well, considering Drake is selling out arenas, and I know he's selling out SoFi and things like that. I mean, come on, bro. Yeah.

Listen, I didn't really get into it heavy. I read about it. What's the problem? I read about it. I heard about it. And I'm like, God damn, what's going on? And then I listened to what Joe Budden said. Then I listened to Drake fire back at him.

I'm like, damn, can't we all get along? Can't we all get along? But think about it. Why is it us? Why do we all... Look, I understand. But the critique... When is the White Podcast going to take the shot at Timberlake?

Or Ed Sheeran? Yeah, they don't move like that. Oh. They don't move like that. Really? Really? Yeah. Oh, okay. I was just wondering. I mean, normally it's us. oh they don't move like that really really yeah oh okay

I was just wondering I mean normally it's us we like to continue to challenge each other we love to continue to challenge each other there's nothing wrong with that

it builds character you're talking about well you messing with 25 year olds I mean bro well you need to fire hold on how old is Jay Z

how old is Beyonce 50 I think there's a there's better I guarantee there's better than a decade difference bro, well, you need to fire a shot. Hold on. How old is Jay Z? How old is Beyonce? 50. I think there's a, there's better. I guarantee there's better than a decade difference. Yeah. For real?

What the problem? I bet you, I bet you a doorknob to a bucket of cow manure and I'll let you put up the bucket of cow manure. That's how confident I am. A golden doorknob. Right. Listen, sometimes that stuff get like that, get personal.

You like what you like. Ocho, how old is your lady? She's younger than you, right? Baby, how old are you? Yeah, she's 36. Okay. She'll be 36 on the 16th. Yeah.

Yeah. You like what you like? You like what you like. But she came after me. Oh, so bad. But, you know, she came after me. Oh, so bad. But, you know, she came after me. She slid in my DM, though. That's what it was.

There was a rose shortage. They say, oh, you brought out all the roses in Florida. Because I tried to send somebody some. Couldn't get none. Not one. If it's a lie, I don't know who said it. J.Z. is 53. Beyonce is 42. That's good. That's a good number, too. That's a lie, I don't know who said it. It is a lie. Listen. Jay-Z is 53. Really? Beyonce is 42.

That's good. That's a good number, too. That's a good number. But he said, hold on. He said, why are you messing with the 25-year-olds when you're 37? So what's the difference between 11 and 12? I'm not one of those that always paid attention to numbers. There are people that you're able to deal with.

There are people that are more high maintenance, and you have women that you can deal with that are less maintenance. And because it's you, they're going to be excited to deal with you anyway. And when you go 25 and younger or 25 and like up in that area, you ain't got to do much.

You ain't got to do much. You ain't got to do much. Well, Drake, keep living your life. Joe B., I love you. I love your podcast. Yeah. But I'm going to rock

with Drake on this one. Listen, Joe, I love you. Drake, I love you. Man, your podcast. Yeah. But I'm going to rock with Drake on this one. Listen, Joe, I love you. Drake, I love you. Man, y'all just keep doing your thing. No, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't, Drake. He's just trying to be politically correct.

He's whistling. He 50-50. He right now, he's whistling. He don't want no beef. Who? Ain't never picked up no weapon and went to war with nobody. Who? Oh, I'm on your side.

I'm on your side. I like you, too. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not in the beef. Keep making chocolate your side. I'm on your side. I like you too. I'm not. Keep making chocolate and watches. I'm not into beef. Only beef I eat

is from McDonald's. Whatever. People are upset that Shadur Sanders for clapping back at the Arizona State section. What?

He put that on. He put that on. He put that on. He put it on. But hold on. I guarantee you some of the people that are upset at your door was loved when Johnny Manziel was doing this to Rice.

When Baker Mayfield took the flag. Oh, man, I was loving that. I was loving it. I was loving the Johnny M with the, man, don't stop nothing. Don't stop nothing you doing. Continue it. I'm trying to figure out why Danny Canale has been so outspoken. Because, you know, Prime couldn't pick up as you.

Wait, Florida State Danny Canale? Yeah. He just keep taking shots at Coach Prime and Shador. I don't know what that's about. I don't know. Danny, wait, Florida State, prime Florida State. I don't know. That might be something.

That might be a little personal there, man. That might be a little personal. And you remember when Baker was on the sideline, he grabbed his cross. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hit him with the Marshawn Lynch. We're going to get out of here on this one. Mario Cristobal.

What they doing? Come on now. What we doing, man? We're going to get out of here on this one. Mario Cristobal. What they doing? Come on now. What we doing, man? Bro, take a knee. What we doing? Take a knee. Why you going?

Oh, we teach balls. We get both hands on the ball. Now the officials say, nah, you be dumb. We going to be dumb too. Matter of fact, he was down now. You know he was down. I know you saw the replay. Yeah. His elbow was down.

I'm not sure what the, I don't know what they was doing. I can't reward negative behavior. But I understand. I don't know what they're doing. Especially, we trying to, we trying to change,

we trying to change the culture and the environment on that University of Football at Miami. Let me tell you how they trained you. Win, win. Because what was UM known for in the 80s? Winning.

Winning. That's what got them on the map. And having fun. When they beat Nebraska in the national title game. And that started it because that was Bernie Kosar and that crew and Highsmith and Mel Bratton and then all this started to get the Blaze boys and they got Michael Irvin and they got – it opened the floodgates.

Yep, and it kept on going. So that's all you got to do is win. And you see the guy on the sideline. He asked, WTF we doing? I'm asking myself and I'm in my bedroom. What the WTF are y'all doing? I ain't crying though, but I was asking. I don't know. I don't know

that. I mean, teaching ball security and all that stuff means nothing. The whole point, you want to win. You want to win the game. You take a knee. As a matter of fact, seeing stuff like that, it makes me think, was somebody throwing the game away?

Man, I don't even like to even think like that i'm i'm listen i'm just saying as a coach the job your job at the end of the day is to do what you can is to win the game so who does that in that moment who does that somebody trying to get too cute somebody think they know more than anybody else they're the smartest coach ever and just had the worst had to that might ever and just had the worst – that might have been one of the worst college coaching decisions that we'll ever see. That won't top Darryl Bevel and Pete Carroll in the Super Bowl throwing on the one-yard line.

But in college, you got to find one worse than that one. Oh, my goodness. That was bad. That was real bad. That was downright awful. And then the man going to have to say, we talk about two hands on the ball. Really?

Really? If I was the running back, should have just got it and went down. He should have slid. He should have slid a quarterback slide into the line. Matter of fact, you know what the quarterback should have done? He should have said, forget the play call and just took an E on his own.

Yep. Yep. That's what he should have done. He should have and just took an E on his own yep yep that's what he should have done that's what he should have did cost them kids a game don't you cost them a game it's hard enough to win a game yeah without my coach

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