Nightcap - Nightcap Best of Boxing Guests Part 2: Laila Ali DUCKING Claressa Shields?! + Shakur Stevenson FRESH off his win

Episode Date: July 27, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson are joined by some of the biggest names in boxing! Claressa Shields says Laila Ali is DUCKING her despite $15M waiting for her, Shields picker he two dream fights and Shakur Stevenson joins the show fresh off his win over William Zepeda.  1:35 - Claressa Shields joins the show 9:16 - Wanting to fight Laila Ali 11:10 - Claress still have beef with Alycia Baumgardner? 13:15 - Ocho's BEEF with Andre Ward 18:00 - Claressa DREAM fight 28:07 - Claressa's fallout with her sister 38:00 - Shakur Stevenson joins the show (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, it's your favorite sports thunk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you. So please subscribe or you're gonna make Ocho cry. doesn't happen without you. So please subscribe or you're gonna make Ocho crack. Without, without no further introduction, here she is two time Olympic champ, 16 wins, three KOs, the undisputed heavyweight women's champion of the world, Clarissa Shields. Clarissa, how are you?

Hey, I'm good, how are you guys? We're doing amazing. Okay, you're gonna be defending your heavyweight championship this weekend in Detroit. You take on Lanny Daniels at the Little Caesars Arena. I mean, you just fought a couple of weeks ago, Clarissa, damn! You fight like the old school fighter used to fight.

I fought in February. It's a while ago. So let me ask you this. So you try to fight, how many times are you, realistically, ideally, would you like to fight a year? Two a year, three a year? I would love to fight. I don't know, is my phone frozen on you, though?

Yes. The video's frozen, but we can hear you. She'll be back. She's having some technical difficulties. You know, that happens. I mean, hey, welcome to the world of television. Live television, because this is unrehearsed, Ocho. We don't get to cut.

So don't worry about it. We can go back and pick it up and we'll start from where we left off. You're back now. I ask, I say ideally, how many times a year would you like to fight? I think three to four times is good for me. Three to four times.

You know, I think that I go on there, I win, I don't really get scratched up and banged up too bad. So three to four is good for me. You're taking on Lani Daniels in Detroit, Little Seasons. What do you hope to accomplish? Because by many estimations, you are the, you know, it's a short list. You and we're gonna talk about that a little later.

The greatest women boxers ever. So it's only a really short list. So taking on her, I mean, what do we hope to accomplish in this? What are we going to get when you do what you always do? Come out here victorious. So Shannon, there's only one greatest one. Okay, okay, okay. Bye-bye. Talk to him, man. And that is me. But what you can look forward to seeing if on Saturday I don't know if you guys watched the all-women's card that happened with MVP

July 11th up in Massachusetts regarding a lot of those girls that fought were good They were ranked number two three and four in the world But number one did not did not fight so you didn't get to see the skills and the power and everything that I possess So that's what you're gonna see see on Saturday. And I'm bringing, you know, I'm packing my house with 15,000 people. I'm well over a million dollars at the gate already. We're going to do probably close to $2 million at the gate.

I mean, I'm coming out to put on a show. A show for the people. And I'm coming there and I'm bringing power. I'm bringing skills. I'm bringing speed. And I want to show you why I wear these greatest and I'm bringing power, I'm bringing skills, I'm bringing speed and I wanna show you why I already is greatest woman of all time chains, okay? Okay, hey.

Hold on, I got a question. I love, I'm a boxing enthusiast. I love the sweet science, always have and been a fan of yours for a very long time. All that you've accomplished to date, to this point, obviously being the greatest woman of my ball time, how do you stay motivated? How do you stay motivated to want more?

And after this fight against Lanny Daniels, what's next? First, just talk to me about the motivation and what keeps you going once you've already achieved so much in the sport that you love. You know, right now I'm 16 and 0, right? And I'm the only four time undisputed champion and I'm five, five divisions. And did I say 17 time world champion?

Come on, post them now. And it's like, you know what? I want to retire and I want them to say, oh, Clarissa was 50 time world champion. You know, Clarissa was undefeated. She fought against the best. She didn't duck nobody. She made the best fight. She showcased her skills against anybody. She was dominant. You know, that motivates me. And like the fact that, you know, it's

not many daughters out there who believe that I'm not the greatest woman of all time. Right? But if there is any, that's, that motivates me to make them be fans. You know, like they may not like me, but they will respect my craft and know that, okay, we may not like her for whatever their reasons are, but still respect my craft and know that I'm the best at what I do. And when I'm the best at what I do, you really can't judge me because you're not the best at what you do. So in other words, you're saying you're trying to convince all, you're trying to convert all those non-believers

into believers. Yes. It's like Jesus did. Okay. There's news that came out. You and Layla Ali, who, you know, when she was fighting, she was the greatest woman, a box of all time, and here come you.

And you guys have been going back and forth. And I think it's been reported or you said you got 15 me you say you wanted 15 million. Well, we got that and now Yeah, so if you were to fight her Clarissa, let me can I say this? I don't really see the upside for you because of you beta. She's almost 50 She's 40 She's 47. And, and she said it out her own mouth for the past couple of years how this thing even first started.

She said she would not come out of retirement and fight nobody because nobody was good enough to give her a challenge knowing that me and her fought at the same weight class. And people think that I started to beef, but she said that and I'm the number one pound pound woman in the world. We fight at the same weight class. I got the belts. I got the Olympic gold medals. She even said, I think when she's on a broadcast, when I was going for my first Olympic gold medal, she said, oh, if they would have had the Olympics back when I was coming up, I

would have won an Olympic gold medal. And she wouldn't have. She wouldn't have. I'm being honest with you and she wouldn't have she wouldn't have I'm being honest with you She wouldn't have you know everything that thing that Layla says about me. She's saying about herself She says that I'm not like I don't have enough skills to be her She don't have enough skills to even compete with me The only thing that thing that that that Layla has is her size. She is a big woman I mean big hands big feet big head like Layla is a big woman. I mean, big hands, big feet, big head. Like Layla is a big lady.

How you really feel Clarissa? No, I'm saying like she's still a beautiful woman. Don't get me wrong, but she's a big lady. But you said that's a big target. You said big head. Big head means big target. Mm hmm. Yeah. And if we were to fight, I would hit that big target. And this. How did the relationship.

Let me ask you this. And then I will sit back and let you take it. OK, OK. How did the relationship sour? Her when she did that, she goes on an interview and says, oh, I will come out of retirement, but there's no one good enough to give me a challenge. There's no one like no one skilled enough, no one strong enough. I can just come out of retirement after being out the being out the ring. At this time,

it probably was like 13 plus years. So she's saying that she can not box for 13 years in a professional boxing match. And there's nobody who would give her a challenge if she was to come to come out of retirement. And then she even said she would knock me out. So, therefore, people have to understand... Yeah, people have to understand, like, I don't take stuff like that lightly. It's like, you know what? Let's put your money where your mouth is.

I don't want to keep talking about Leila. I actually quit talking about her years ago because I'm like, you know, a fight's never gonna happen. Every year, she's getting older. She's never gonna come out of retirement. Whatever. And then she come out of retirement, whatever. And then she come out and say, oh, the rumor I heard is if Clarissa got 15, 20 million,

then I'll, well, I got your 15 million, now what? So what? You calling a bluff. You calling a bluff, Clarissa. Yeah, and we are still waiting to hear a response. Wait, so you are dead serious regardless of age, regardless of how long we've been out the ring, you will still get in the ring and fight her? Layla told y'all herself, she is a healthy 47.

She ain't old and ran down. She said she work out, she still box. She jumped rope. She run This was she said I didn't say she said it still 47. Yeah well People need to act you know when they say at your age Well at 40 well, we'll add 47 because you don't want to come missing with the young lion who's hungry You know who? Who got the 15 million to make a fight

happen? You know, you don't do that. I have a question and I'm not, I'm not, I'm not Cleo. I'm not known for predicting the future, but I already know based on what I've seen, your resume speaks for itself. Everything you've done in the ring to date speaks for itself. Your last fight, if I'm not mistaken, was February. I don't remember the exact date, but I did watch the fight, hell of a performance. You fight July 20. Thanks, it's Saturday. Lainey Daniels. What's after that?

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or wherever you get your podcast. January, February next year, T-Mobile Arena reached out to us and want to host a fight. Cowboys, they don't want to host a fight. Did the biggest women's boxing match in history and it's 15 million for her. So I don't know what she waiting on, but I know when I turned 47, I wish one of these young girls would try to test my gangster. I'm coming right back to get that money. If it's 15 for her, what is it for you? We don't need to worry about what I'm paying.

No, I'm paying, I'm paying, I'm paying. Hey, hey, now I have... No, because first of all, you know, I'm the A side. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Let him know. Yeah, let's not, you know, boom. But it's more of like a, still, if this was your number. We got that number.

This was, we got the number. So if you think you can beat me up and I'm just so not skilled and I ain't got no power and I ain't good. Well, okay, but after this, but if that fight doesn't happen with Layla, I wanted to have one more fight this year. Listen to anybody, Shadesha Green,

she just became champion recently. Yeah, I saw that. A rematch with Frank Chow. Running the upset. Yeah, Shadesha Green. Shadesha Green cannot mess with me. She can't fuck with me at all, but whatever. She got a belt, so if she wanna get banged up,

she can get banged. So you take her belt? How many belts you need, Clarissa? Damn, you got a belt. So if she want to get banged up, she can get banged up. So you take her belt? How many belts you need, Clarissa? Damn, you got like seven. I got 17, but I need 50. I have one more question. I have one more question. And I understand there's a weight difference, obviously.

The possibility, if it's even possible for you to come down or for her to go up with Miss Bumgoner, is that, is it any way that's even possible? You got to be joking, man. I'm just asking, mama. So, one, me and Alicia, we kind of squashed our beef, you know, probably. Okay.

Okay. But Alicia know that it's the difference between being good and great. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. And she's working her way to her being great, you know, and she just ain't got enough, she ain't got enough ass behind her. Yeah, she ain't got no bricks in her back pocket. That's why I asked. That's why I asked. I mean, got no bricks in her back pocket. That's why I asked.

That's why I asked. I mean, she coming up, we coming down. That's all. If it was a fight that could be made, the lowest would be 154 for me. She had the kind of 54. And I think I saw her last year. She said she weighed 147 back when she was doing her, you know, F. Clareson Shields tour back when we was beefing.

And she got up to 147. So if she could, you know, come up to 54 and I go down to 54, I would love to make a fight with her, just to prove to her, listen, I can kill myself to make this weight and then still come out here and beat you in a boxing match. But let me ask you this, what about a rehydration clause?

Because they're probably gonna want that. Because that, I mean mean you're coming down You're coming down a couple of weight classes to get to 54 Yeah I'm not gonna do no rehydration clause because when you understand how you lose weight and how much water isn't water is important You don't you don't put up names So I would never put myself in danger like that to where like I can make the way but not been able to read to read Hydrate it is it's just not good

Understandable understandable. But hey, can I can I put my hat? Can I put my head in the in the ring? So listen if the fight happens with You and leila ali for whatever reason whatever the date may be Can I be on the undercard, please? Yeah, come on. I'm asking ahead of time. I just knew you was gonna say something about you fighting today.

I just knew it. I knew it. Listen, me and Andre Ward, we got some unfinished business. Hey, who do you wanna fight? Me and Andre Ward, we got some unfinished business. Oh, Justin, go, we got to match you up first. No, that's fair, sis, it's fair.

My, listen, my long-wittedness in the state of Nevada. Andre Ward, you said? Yes, my, yeah, my buddy. SOG? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, life can people, they lump up easy. You mean Hines Ward, Hines Ward, not Andre Hines. Yeah, you're gonna have to go with like maybe a KSI.

No, no, no, no, no, no, don't do me like that. Don't do me like that. Listen, we've been going at it back and forth for a very long time, similar to how you and Alicia were, similar to how you and Leila Leigh are. So me and Audrey, we have to squash this beef that we have. It's a friendly. And you know, sometimes the only way to squash the beef is to fight.

Thank you. I tell you what, sometimes you gotta get it out of the way. Thank you, so put us on the card, please. That's all I'm asking. So if the fight get made, I will definitely let my team know we need to get Ocho and Andre Ward on Andre I promise you I will keep that in my mind and let them know listen. This is on tape

Okay If Ocho fight Andre Ward I'm looking for a new partner for Nightcap You don't believe in me? Nah, not against Audrey Ward. Hold on, time out, time out, time out. If this happens, I go in there with a nightcap trunks, the nightcap gold, you know? And you know, I'm representing us. You gonna bet against me?

Against your boy? Hey, he probably knock them off of you, so they be in the ring, I just go in the ring and get them. So, so I got a question for you. If you were to have a boxing match, who would you want to fight again? If I have a boxing match? Yeah.

Clarissa, I'm 57. I don't want to box nobody. Hey, don't do that. Don't do that. Cause listen, it got other men that's 57. Who you want to punch in the face, man? I done got you all. I ain't got no beef no more. man we can't do that man cuz you

gotta stand on business no no oh no I I'll punch a few folks in the face well you chose the right profession because it seems like you got a you got some anger issues going on Clarissa that you have to resolve what you get into the square. Damn Have you always so let me ask you ever I love boxing as a child What did you did you fight a lot as a child? Were you confrontational as a child? I mean somebody say something to Clarissa you like it's on site People was confrontational to me I won't confront you to anyone. So, yep, I didn't know how to talk till I was five.

And I stuttered real bad till I was 11 years old. I couldn't even talk completely. And people bullied me. That's what made me angry. Like despite the stuff that I went through at home, now I'm going to school, kids is pulling my hair, kids is taking my homework and copying it and ripping it up. And so I went through to school, kids is pulling my hair, kids is taking my homework and copying it and ripping it up.

And so I went through that first, second, first and second grade. And then when third grade came, it was over. I was kicking butt. I was kicking ass, man. It was over for them after that. And I learned that when you stick up for yourself, people leave you alone. I didn't start boxing until sixth grade. So from the time third grade all the way to the sixth, I had gotten to a few little street

fights, but they always started with people picking with me. I never picked with people. I really didn't want to fight because I didn't know if I could fight. It was my anger that drove me to push people, punch people, grab them and just see what I could fight. My, it was my anger that drove me to push people, punch people, grab them and just see, and you know, see what I could do. But the first fight that I ever got into was with my little sister Brianna. And when I tell you Brianna whooped my ass when I was eight, eight, nine years old, Brianna beat the shit out of me. You didn't want to go through that anymore.

No. My sister was a menace to society, man. She used was doing so much mean stuff to me growing up, man. I'm telling you, it was wild. But let me ask you this, Clarissa. If you could fight any woman past or present, obviously, Leila Lee is on the card because the big payday, you're talking about probably a million plus pay-per-view vies.

Probably, if it's at Jerry's World, you're talking about 70, 80,000 fans. If it's T-Mobile, you'll probably sell that out. But if, I mean, who would you like to fight? Would you like to fight Ann Wolf? Would you like to fight Christy Martin, Nicole Miner's daughter? Who would you like to fight?

I would stop Christy Martin. That's not even a compliment. Yeah, she a little small for you. I would stop her. I would knock her out. So Martin. That's not even a company. She looks small for you. I would stop her I would I would knock her out So now next the only other woman that would be a dream fight for me If I would have to say one being being Ann Wolf and two Katie Taylor Katie because her skills are phenomenal. The girl can box can bang. She can figure it out. She's a

highly can bang, she can figure it out. She's a highly competitive thinker inside the ring and she wins all her fights that way. She may not knock you out, but she's going to outthink you. And I would love to share the ring with her if we were near the same size. But she's 140 and like I said, lowest I can go is 154. And then as far as in Ann Wolf, listen. Ann was, she was, she was, she was vicious. People, people know Layla because Layla had the name. And Layla was a good boxer. But for Layla and Anne Wolfe to be in the same weight class and to never fight and came from the same era,

we all know Layla Ali ducked Anne Wolfe. And why she ducked Anne Wolfe? Because Anne Wolfe would knock your damn head off. And that's a fight, even, I watched the Ann Wolf documentary on YouTube when I was a kid. I watched her push trucks and punch bags and lift weights. And if you look up Ann Wolf versus Vonda Ward,

the biggest knockout in women's boxing, I dream to have a knockout like that. Yeah, I a dream match between her and I I would love to have only because I Don't think I can be knocked out But with her in the first three rounds, I had to be very worried about that I think I can box and I can move and I can figure her out and I got enough power to deal with my own.

But man, she catching them first three rounds is some stuff you got to fight through. So that would be a dream fight for me if we was in the same era and we were fighting. But that would be somebody who I'm like, yo, that's the woman who I'm kind of intimidated by. And just to mention her, she's coming to my fight on Saturday to support me and be there for me. And this is one of my idols, you know, and I'm just so happy that she's coming. Yeah. You need people that don't know about Ann Wolf. You need to you need to Google her or YouTube or whatever you need to do because she definitely had dynamite in her hands.

I mean, she was a vicious. She was ferocious. She was. I mean, she was a vicious, she was ferocious. She was. I have one more question. Hold on, hold on. I got one more question. Listen, we know how great you are. Greatest woman of all time when it comes to boxing. What other passion, once you're done playing,

I'm talking about playing, once you're done boxing, once the sweet science, once you hang the gloves up, what other hobbies are you interested in? What else is it that you like to do outside of the ring? Music? I just had my listening party today and it went very well. Okay.

You know, everybody, I had nine songs and they rated all my songs 10. I was so shy. There we go. I like music and honestly, I'm a big community person. I want to train young girls and young boys who come from environments that I grew up in and I want to teach them boxing so boxing can help them like it helped me. It really changed my life and helped me redirect my anger.

I really don't look like what I've been through. So I want to get back to communities and help people learn self-defense. And I mean, I'm going to have kids within my career so I don't have to stop my career to do that. Let me ask you, let's say this for the sake of argument. Layla says, you know what, Clarissa, you want this work, I'm going to give you this work. But I want you to put that chain up.

I want you to put the globe up. I want you to put the gloat up. And if I beat you, I don't ever wanna hear you say, Mitchen, greatest woman of all time. I don't want that. I want that chain. You gonna put the chain up. Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe He want that right there. That's the one that caught a hundred K. That's what that's what she won't Yeah, she she come out time it and she shut me up and beat me up. I

Turn around her neck. I'll put her on neck and I snap it closed for and letter you can have it boo Wow, you can have it That's what that's how confident I know that This ain't what she won't and let her, you can have it boo. Wow. You can have it. But that's how confident I know that this ain't what she want. This ain't what she want. Larissa, you seem very happy. You seem very happy. Now maybe it's because a lot of your personal life has been made public,

and maybe you had someone in your life that was behind the scenes. But watching you, you know, we know some of the same people, we know Jamie Fritz, but watching you now, you seem a lot more at peace. You seem a lot more happy than you were in the past. Am I assuming too much?

Am I reading too much into your body language and the way you're moving now? No, I have to say that, one, I'm 30 years old now, but I can say that since I've met Papu, he has brought a whole different woman out of me, I guess. I listen to him. He can tell me to be quiet. Okay.

And he know how to fight, you know, so I can't bully him around and push him around. And, you know, he's just so kind to me and he's so helpful that I've always had to do everything myself, you know, and that's dealing with my family, dealing with my friends, dealing with my business. I've had to do everything myself since 17 years old, and now I have somebody that really like have my back and my best interest and who I mean, looks after me when I don't even want him looking after me. Like he's so protective. And, you know, I think that with him, I wouldn't be able to like I would I would be happy because I was working on my happiness before I met him.

But meeting him, it just gave me like, I think when you find your person, you can just talk to him about anything and about any problem. Like I call him and listen, I talk more shit than a little bit. And I call him about, I call him about everything. And I mean, he always has his ear open to communicate and talk with me and give me great advice. And also to let me know, like you wrong here you know and I just appreciate that it's so many tweets and so many um posts that I was about to put up he just was like he like don't don't don't do it it's because he knows my bigger picture and he's helping me get to that so So I think that with him helping me

and him being so supportive and him being so kind to me is really just, I don't know, I feel like I have a great partner in crime and we'll be going somewhere special. So yeah, you can say that. He made me more want to say. I like that. I like that. I think to someone to share that, right? I wanna say. Listen, I like that. I like that. I think to someone to share that,

because I guess for the longest time, I heard you talk, I've seen you on different platforms, and you're talking about how your family, when you became successful, even though you did all of that, they still, some of them turned their back on you. And still, the more you gave, the more they wanted. And it's, and you said, and I took note of this. You said they didn't want what you gave them.

They want what you had. They want you now. Yeah. What do you mean by that? Tell our chat that didn't hear you on other platforms talk about that. What did you mean by that? They don't want what you give them.

You can give them a hundred dollars. You can give them a car. You can give them a house. You can give them food. They don't want that. They want what you have. So what do you have? You got a nice house, you got the Papa YouTube channels,

you got the million dollar partnerships and endorsements and sponsorships. They want that. They don't want when you giving them $1,000, $10,000, and $15,000 when you helping them, when you paying their bills, you buying them cars. They don't want that. They want your car.

They want your house. But you work for that. They want. Absolutely. And that's where for a long time, I didn't know how to say no. And when I started saying no, that's when people who I said yes to before,

hundreds of times had the biggest issue. That's when it was, oh, she bougie, oh, she don't care about her family, she don't take care of nobody. And, you know, out of everything that I've been through, the hardest one to deal with doing that was my younger sister because we came up together. You know, and she got three kids

and I helped her take care of her kids. Like all her kids called me mama. Like her kids is my kids. We, she have an 11 year old, an eight year old and a five year old and it's my little niece. And no, nobody would, people think that I have kids because I have them so much.

And you know, I'm the type of auntie where I'm sending groceries every week I'm buying clothes. I'm buying school clothes. So for me the hardest part when I start going through that a Lot of people did it too, but it was her that really hurt me because she was the closest the most Yeah, and we got same mama same daddy and she is like, people see me as this light and shining star, but Brianna is my darkness. She is my darkness and she's the opposite of me, but she understands that I got that same darkness

inside of me, I just show the light all the time. But she's like, how I am inside the ring, Brianna is like that every single day of her life. She will literally put hands on you. She will knock you out. She send me videos of her fighting inside the ring, Breonna is like that every single day of her life. She will literally put hands on you. Like she will knock you out. She send me videos of her fighting all the time, like Breonna you need to stop. But she will knock your head clean off.

You need to get on some gloves there Clarissa. Have you had a conversation with your sister? Did you tell your sister like this hurts me after everything that I've done for you and your kids, which are my nieces and nephews, after everything that I've done, Bree, really, this is the way you behave? This is the way you act towards me?

Social media, social media has its pros and cons, but when she seen an interview that I did with Andre Ward and where I was crying, she called me and she said, everybody talking about it's her at the top. She said, well, damn, it's hard at the bottom too. But that's not your fault? No, but I'm like, what you mean?

She was like, rest. I'm struggling all the time and you're not. So that's where her animosity came from. Even though I was helping her, getting in her mind here head telling her Yo, sister should do more. Yeah, when it was like, yeah We don't know I've been to I've done a lot for you So when we talk she was like rest she you know one we went four months without talking which my family knows that I Don't do that.

I talk to my mom and my dad, even they make me upset, I still talk to them. I really went on like a hiatus where I ain't talk to my sister for like four months. And then she would have the kids call me and I would only talk to the kids and I wouldn't talk to her. And it went on for four months. And one day she just hit me and was like,

look, I want my sister back you know I'm sorry I messed up I'll never do it again and you know it is what it is you know you know that I got you through whatever you know but I just was like yo where I'm trying to get to in my career I can't have you going live on Facebook lying on me. Yeah telling folks not to get tickets to the fights I can't I can't have that and I mean it was deep the stuff that she did but she had people You know In her ears. You're gonna believe that Clarissa because that's your sister You know normally when family says something about an individual because they're so close y'all grew up together

This is not some arbitrary, some willy nilly person talking. This is your blood sister. Yeah. Yeah. And that was the problem that I had was everybody took her word for face value. And then I didn't want to get on a social media back and defend myself because it was like, Oh, I'm trying to be above that. But I literally had to, it started affecting, taking themselves to my trying to be above that. But I literally had to, it started affecting, taking cells in my last, for my fight with the two years ago. And I'm like, it was a week of the fight, you know?

So she's telling people, oh, she on her with crocodile tears, you know, don't come to the fight. She don't support her family. She bought one of her friends a house, which I did not. But people believe that. And it was like I had to get on there and try to clear it up. But, you know, people love negativity more than. Before you go that issue that you have in Clarissa, all athletes,

not just all athletes, I can only speak from from our perspective and playing football and having to talk to a rookie before and learning to say no. Because when it comes to your family, your family would drain you. They would drain you because in the hard part for athletes and players, they have to understand it's okay to take care of your family. It's okay to enjoy the fruit of your labor and blessing those back that help you along the way. But those that take, they have no limits because they don't understand what it took to get to that point. There's a reason they have nothing sometimes, you know, obviously there are unfortunate

circumstances that happen. But when one person makes it, they expect that one person to be the golden ticket and they continue to take over and over and over and never knowing when to stop until that well run dry. So at some point, the hard part of being the one that makes it out the family is knowing when to say no, because at some point, if you continue to pull that water from the well, at some point it gonna run dry.

Yeah, I agree. Clarissa, I think the thing is what I tell people, that is a great gesture if you choose to help brother, sister, cousin, aunt, uncle, but you're not on no obligation. See, people have got this notion because we came up in the same house or I saw you from a child or I changed diapers on you,

that obligates you to take care of someone for the rest of their life or buy them a house or buy them a car out of the kindness of your heart that is an a superb that is an unbelievable gesture but we've got to stop trying to put that burden trying to guilt people in because because the first thing they're gonna say you know they know what they say Clarissa? And I had this a note, you know, I know you've had it. If it was me, I'd help you. No, it's the one. If I was you, I help you more than you help me.

So they don't even care about how much you're helping them. They just saying, Oh, I do way more for you. And I'm like, no, no, no, you wouldn't. And the first thing, when there's no more money and somebody said, man, what happened to all Carissa's money? Man, I don't know what she did with that money. I gave it to you. I tried to help you, you, you, you, you. And I ain't got no money.

Ain't nobody got no money. And now you're talking about y'all don't know where the money went. Mm hmm. I had to I had to tell myself, I said, listen, if I was to stop boxing today and I I have another dollar who would pay my bills I got a $4,000 mortgage on my seven hundred five thousand dollar house up in Atlanta. Oh you had the cream Own a few cribs, you know But I own houses and cars.

I don't just be out here with the bling bling. Also I'm like you. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes some stuff you see and be like, hold on. That right there is a knockoff, but this right here is a knockoff. Talk to me now. Come on now. You know, so no, for me, it was like, I said,

if I was to stop right now, who would pay these bills, these car notes, you know, pay for how I like to eat? I like to eat. I'm a heavyweight. I like to eat steak and eat at the finest places. So I'm like, right now, I'm probably, my bills all together, probably about $10,000 with all my bills together. So it was like, right now, if I had to freeze my bank account and I couldn't use my money, who would help me pay that $10,000 to make sure that I got my house, my car, my insurance,

everything, who would help do that? And it's sad to say, but it's not many folks who you can rely on. Or people that even team up. So that's why I'm like, hey. it's not many folks who you can rely on or people that even team up. No. You know, so that's why I'm like, hey. I'm so glad you just said that. I'm so glad you just said that.

For those that are in the chat, I'm not sure how much you help your family, but I know everyone else is gonna see this, especially my fellow athletes, whatever it is you play, rappers, whatever it be. Like, just think about that, hypothetically, like Clarissa just said, if just so happened, God happened, you ran out everything,

go through your phone right now and whatever your overhead is a month or whatever you may need, who can you call on your phone right now that you know, no matter what, they're gonna say yes. That you're gonna say yes. I can tell you right now, my best friend, Nini, would probably be like, hey, I can't pay you $10,000.

You can come stay with me and I'll make sure you eat everything. Yeah. Yeah. Until you get back on your feet. But ain't nobody gonna be like, hey, we got 10,000 for your month. Oh, you know, Pap, Pap would take care of me. He'd take care of me. Right.

But I'm thinking of like not my relationship, but you know, family and stuff, it's not one person I could call. Clarissa, thanks for stopping by. Good luck on the fight. And please, please, if this fight is to get made with you and Layla Ali, please come back on Nightcap. Of course, you know, I'm supposed to come back

and do like the, do the big one. Club Shae Shae. Yeah, yeah, I'm supposed to do Club Shae Shae with you. So let me know. Okay. We can lock that in. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Wait a minute, wait a minute. You talk about after this fight,

the next fight that she does do, I'm on the undercar, remember? Ocho, we talking about this. I told you and I told you five nights a week I don't need you to bring your black ass back. I'm talking to her. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay Okay, I told you all the time Clarissa good luck. Go ahead. What are you gonna say? Thank you yes, so Just I want to celebrate something just with my fans and with y'all fans too.

This is my first gate where I've done over a million dollars, well over a million dollars. This is my first gate. We have over 15,000 people who have bought tickets to come to the fight. I am so just overjoyed by that. So all the fans who are listening, all my fans who love me, thank y'all so much. It's only a few tickets left. So I want to be able to say once we, once I win this fight, you know, we had a sold out little Ceaser Xarena here in Detroit.

So please get the rest of your tickets on Ticketmaster. It's not that many left. All the floor seats are gone. And even if you're not coming to the fight, purchase you a little 50 dollar ticket, even if you ain't coming. Just so I can say I sold out so help me out okay. Congratulations on all your success two time gold with Olympic gold medal winning boxer a undefeated heavyweight champion 17 time world champ Ms. Clarissa Shield. Thank you Clarissa. Good luck on Saturday and we hope to see soon. Thank you. Appreciate y'all. Thank you.

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52%. Damn. Not landing 96 jabs of 207 thrown 46. Damn, did he move? Damn, he was punching. He was a punching bag. What the hell? How do you hit somebody 52% of the time of punches land,

you hit somebody 46% of the time of jabs thrown and power shots. You hit somebody 56% of the time with Jive Throne and power shot. You let, and you hit somebody 56% of the time with power shots. Can I explain to you how? Damn, you was fighting the statue of Shakur. Go ahead, Ocho, take off. I'ma let you have it. He muted.

Hey, you muted? You can hear me? Yeah, we got you. You good, you good. I can hear you now. What's up? What's good, y'all? We good, thanks for joining us, Shakur. What's up, what's good? We didn't give you, we me. You good. You good. I can hear you now. We good. We good. Thanks for joining us.

We want to get you in. We're going to give you a proper introduction because you know, but go ahead. Go ahead. I'm going to let you take it off. Take off. Now, you're probably going to say, I'm just read off the stats and a lot of people don't really understand how good you are offensively when it comes to your defense. They don't understand how good you are.

How does it feel for all those that doubted saying he's always running, he doesn't stand there and fight to show the world that you can also put on a boxing clinic, you can sit in the pocket against a pressure fighter where everybody thought because he's a pressure fighter, you would be running around. But what you did, you sat in the pocket, you created distance, you stayed at mid range and you put on a fucking clinic. What was your game plan going into that fight? Honestly, man, my game plan was different than what I did on fight night.

Right. I talked with my coaches. My coaches had a certain game plan. They wanted me to outbox and move, make them frustrated with my feet. But bro, it was like, I wanted to do the unexpected. Like he kind of expected me to go in there and move around. Yeah.

And time and Jerry all week. Right, right, right. For me, it was like, shit, I want to do what you think that I'm not going to do. So I went in there, I stood in the pocket, I put on the perfect display of boxing and also a lot of people here, they doubt it, but like it feels regular for me. Like it's nothing new, it's nothing different because I already knew what I was built with. You can't see me work before you know who I am. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't, it wasn't nothing new, it's nothing different, because I already knew what I was built with. You came to see me work before, you know who I am, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It wasn't nothing new for me. Like, it was very much regular. When it comes to different fighters, obviously fighting someone, fighting a pressure fighter, fighting a fighter that's a counterpuncher, how much goes into game planning for that individual fighter and how I don't want to say the right way. Knowing that he's going to apply pressure the whole time, most of the time.

That's the way he fights. He fights everybody the same way. What went into your game plan where your coach is saying they want to use your feet, but you chose, you know what, forget what y'all talk about. I'm finished sitting in the pocket and it's not going to be a banging match. I'm going to just, I'm going to make sure my defense is my offense.

And obviously statistically, the punch you hit, 96 jab, 52% of punches landed. You had power, I mean, just everything f'ing worked. And at what point did you realize he was frustrated because his game plan wasn't working even though he tried to adjust? I knew he was frustrated because his game plan wasn't working even though he tried to adjust. I knew he was frustrated in like the sixth round. Yes.

When I see him kind of started thinking and he kind of like settled down a little bit. He wasn't like as aggressive as he was first half of the fight. So I kind of like, I had a good game plan. My coaches, they had a great game plan. But for me, my brain just working in a different way. I know I'm the one that's in there fighting So I'm gonna be thinking on the spot

But it was a he was a tough fighter. He kind of pushed me. I've been telling everybody the whole week I said this guy's gonna bring out the best in me on this I that y'all y'all think that I can't sit in the pocket. I think that I can't fight So this is a guy that I'm gonna show all of these different tools and things. And we came in and we did what we had to do. Is that the first time that you've kind of gone away from what the game plan was kind of probably what you

practice in training camp? Because like you said, it was going to be Tom and Jerry. You're going to, you know, out box him, use your speed, use, use all your movement. And you said, you know what? Now I'm going to sit here because that was a knock on you, Shakur. Man, he ain't fighting nobody. I mean, not only does he not fight anybody, he ducking.

He ain't sitting in the pocket. He ain't throwing no lever. He running around, got everybody chasing him. He picking him off like that. You said, to hell with that. Let me show you what I can do. Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah. You know, like I said, I've been through that. I've been through that, but that wasn't my first time going with my instincts. I think my instincts kind of take over a lot come Fight Night.

So I kind of watched this dude over and over and over. I've seen a lot of weaknesses. I also knew that me chilling on the ropes wasn't as bad as what everybody made it seem to be like. Yeah, especially the damn commentators. Yeah, yeah. But in a sport, you're not supposed to do that. You're not supposed to be sitting on the ropes.

It's a bad thing to do. But somebody like me, I kind of open guys up. They feel more comfortable to open up when they get me to the ropes. So. Basically to me, every time you sat on the ropes, you go in the Philly shell, and then all you're doing is you're baiting him in the throwing punches.

And you know, if he throws six, I can roll and block five and count in between. And it worked every single time where at some point to pay that, okay, you have to make adjustments. Make adjustments because he's sitting on the rope for a reason and bait you to throw. And as soon as he throw, you roll one way, roll the other, slip a jab in.

Yeah, but also if you watched the second half of the fight, my adjustment was to get off the ropes. Right. And stay in the middle of the ring. I kind of took control of the fight. Yeah, in the middle of the ring because I knew, I don't know with these judges that's scoring. So I know he's kind of a picky. I know I'm ahead, but I still want to make sure I leave my mark and make sure I don't leave no room

for the judges to rob me. So I kind of made that adjustment in the second half of the fight. Yeah. Shacor, you started off at the featherweight, now you're a lightweight, and you're in that lightweight division, the 135. You look at the greats that's been in that division,

the Roberto Duran, Sweet P. Whitaker, Chavez, Henry Armstrong, Benny Leonard, The Ghetto Kid. Where are you now? Are you like, I'm gonna stay here for a minute or are you gonna go to super lightweight at 140? Now I'm a natural lightweight. A lot of guys don't even realize. I walk around close to my fight weight.

Like how they talk about guys like- Yeah, yes, yes. He walked around close to his fight. Three pounds, four pounds, either way. I don't see myself getting no bigger to fight at 140 pounds. Them guys is a lot bigger than me. So if I do it, it just be okay.

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