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Episode Date: May 18, 2025Recap the best clips of the week as Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Kevin Durant clapping back and Emanuel Acho, the Colts social media team posting footage of Daniel ...Jones throwing, and much more!01:36 - KD’s response to Emanuel Acho on twitter23:11 - Colts social team only posting throws of Jones31:00 - Shams reports Draymond fined 50k for inappropriate comment39:00 - Oak’s Cooking Venture(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Emmanuel Archo recently claimed that Celtics match up better against the Knicks without Tatum in the lineup, exclusively because of mindset.
I believe a team is a reflection of its leader.
Jason Tatum is the leader of Boston.
They are an incredibly talented team,
but they're not a tough team.
This is what Kevin Durant had to say.
He responded on Twitter.
Excuse me, on X.
Damn.
Hot take artists have ruined the sport.
Football guys, no disrespect,
but y'all boys need to stay in y'all lane.
Y'all don't know what it's like to be between them lines.
Give the man a break.
He said, between these lines.
Man, give it a break.
Dudes who quit football early to pursue media talking mental toughness.
Cut it out.
Cut it out.
KD taking shots.
Man, just look.
Love it or hate it.
Love it or hate it.
It really is.
But, yeah. KD going to respond. I ain't got no problem with it. but love it or hate it but yeah
KD gonna respond
I ain't got no problem with it
I wish more players were like that
I wish more elite superstar
players were like that and voice their opinion
that's why I like Twitter
I like X because it gives everybody
a voice now it cuts
the middle man out
players being able to have an opportunity.
Nothing lost
in translation.
Okay, I got something for y'all
then. Okay.
You talk about, I love people
having voices, but this is my thing though.
You a champion, right? Yeah.
So your mindset's gonna be
totally different than somebody who wasn't a champion, is it not?
Correct.
So that's the point.
You got people talking about the game and this and that,
but how can somebody really define the game if you never won anything
and tell somebody, you're talking from a losing perspective.
You know, you never won.
You was an individual.
I mean, I'm not saying you wasn't.
It's a lot of guys that was great players. That were great, but didn't win a game. That was great, you never won. You was an individual. I mean, I'm not saying you wasn't. It's a lot of guys that was great players.
That were great, but didn't win a game.
That was great.
Never won.
You don't talk about, it's all about me, me, me, me.
What about, you know what I'm saying?
And it's like, you was a great individual, but you wasn't a great team player.
You didn't excel your team to be a winner.
You didn't win.
Your team was losing.
So, if I'm hearing you correctly, and you can correct
me if I'm wrong, you said
unless you've been a champion,
how do you tell me what it takes to become a champion?
Yeah, right.
How are you going to have a champion mindset
if you've never been a champion? I have another question.
For people that are in the media
space, right?
Yes.
Talking to Sean, obviously with what he just said, how do you feel about people that talk about the game of basketball, the game of football, the game of hockey, or pundits or analysts on it or give their opinion or views on it, but have never played the game?
Can you take what they say serious
if they've never done it?
So this is my thing.
I think the media is great at creating these narratives.
And hold on, they can...
Listen, everybody can have their opinion about the game.
I'm not...
This is open.
It's an open platform.
Everybody can discuss it on every level,
from TV to social media to whatever you want to do,
podcasts, whatever. But my thing is
this, though. When you start dissecting
and you really want to know
the logistics of what it really truly tastes, go talk
to somebody who's done it before. I'm not going to come in your
space and try to tell you how you're a job
and tell you how you're a job if I've never done it. I've never
been a reporter. I'm not going to sit here
and slide into that lane. But with that being said, I'm
not going to sit here and discredit people lane. But with that being said, I'm not going to sit here and discredit
people either. There are some people that have
but the narratives that the media create,
it becomes a part of our thought process.
It becomes ingrained in us. These stories
that everybody, this is the one thing
I don't think people truly understand.
It's almost like
if the media said they believe that bullshit
and then now
it becomes a thought process
whether you agree with it or don't it becomes a part of your thought process and that's the first
thing to come to your mind when you say something and that's the one thing that pisses me off more
than anything so like at the same time i'm okay with people having an opinion but let let me give
you something else to think about it think about from a different perspective different side or
somebody who actually did it i walked this this life. I walked this path.
I'm going to show you what, from my experience,
and what I've been through, and I'm going to
pave this direction
for you and this ideal deal for you.
So, when you sit here and you go through
all these narratives, man,
it just hurts
me sometimes and pisses me off.
I just sometimes have to recuse myself from
a lot of conversations because it's falling on deaf ears because everybody's fucking stuck on stupid
at times.
You know, common sense ain't coming anymore.
You know what I'm saying?
So, you know, there's so many levels to this shit.
You know what I'm saying?
It is.
I want to hand the baton.
I want you to hand the baton off to me because I agree with a lot of what
you're saying.
Yeah.
Guys that have covered this game, and I go particular,
I say like a Tony Kornheisel or
Michael Wilbon, guys that have covered the game.
I think they understand
the game, but their intricacies, unless
you've been in that huddle, unless you've
been in that locker room, in those
intense moments, you couldn't possibly know.
Now see, they might go by what somebody
told them. I'm going by what I know.
See, I was in the huddle on fourth down.
I was in the huddle on third and sixth.
I was in the locker room when we had lost five straight against Baltimore.
So for you to say, I think this is what – no, I'm not telling you what I think.
I'm telling you what I know because I was there.
Yeah.
And so while they can write it and they've covered the game
and they do a great job, and I'm like you, I don't discredit anybody that I've never said,
well, you didn't play the game, you don't know what you're talking about.
I'm saying from a standpoint of being in the locker room,
being on the field, being on the court,
there are certain things that I can speak to
that even in your 30, 40, 50 years of covering a game,
can't give the fans what I can,
having played the game far less than you've ever covered the game,
because I've been in the huddle.
I've heard that call, and I looked in guys' eyes,
and I know who, you know, guys that put in what they put in,
and I know guys that bulljab.
I come there, I see them all the time.
You get to spend open locker room, what, 30 minutes.
Five days a week.
You get to spend 30 minutes on a uh uh uh maybe monday
wednesday thursday i don't think you get to come maybe maybe a little bit on friday
that's all you get i get to see that guy from nine to five five days a week then on the road
on saturday and sunday in the locker room you coming in after the game so you don't get to
talk to him before the game so you don't know what the game, so you don't get to talk to him before the game.
So you don't know what he's thinking
or you haven't had a conversation with him before.
And so that's why I don't discredit guys
because there are some guys that do an excellent job
and they've talked to some of the greats,
but you see, they're talking to them.
Yes.
I'm right there with them.
I'm right there in the locker room.
I'm sitting right next to him. I'm right there in the locker room i'm sitting right next to him
i'm right there in the huddle and so i i can i just think guys that have played the game
now everybody that played the game matrix can't get on tv and talk about the game oh no i agree
explain it in a way explain it in a way that maybe somebody in the media can talk about it
but that doesn't mean just because you can articulate your thoughts more
or better that you know the game better or understand the game better.
Yeah.
Hopefully that makes sense to the chat.
No, it does.
It does.
You know, like Mike, my guy, you know, he's from the crib here.
So, like, Mike is great.
Mike has been on TV for 25 years.
Mike has been doing it for 50 years.
Yeah, Mike has been on here, man. I love Mike.
But you said something that's so dawned on me.
Like you're experiencing somebody basically being around somebody 24-7
in the trenches with people. It's totally a different feeling.
You know, I used to say this when everybody was like,
how's the team feeling?
I'm like, man, you have to be in the locker room to see.
I can't express what we're going through right now.
Well, I can't even say it in words.
It's kind of, you got to be able to feel it.
You got to see it.
You got to be sitting next to me
and you got to be feeling that heat coming from my teammate
next to me on both sides.
And we just like, we ain't got to say nothing to him.
I'm looking at my guy.
We about to go to war out here.
And it's like, it's a whole different mindset, you know.
And I think there's so many different levels to this.
I think there's so many great players that played this game in the NBA.
It's a great fraternity I'm in.
And I take my hat off to the OGs who paved the way for me.
I really do.
All them guys, they don't get enough credit, man.
They don't get enough flowers, man.
We don't talk about enough.
And I just – it's sad because every year I feel like we're losing
some icons
in this game.
I'm 47 now. I just had a birthday
last week and I'm just sitting here.
I just got to take my hat off to these guys, man.
I thank all the OGs that paid away for me,
man. I'm truly blessed to be in the position I'm in.
I don't take none of this for granted.
It's kind of like me trying to go sit
into a newsroom and try to tell them how to create a story or write a narrative.
Bro, yeah, I watched the game, but I can't craft it like you could.
Yeah.
And so, like I said, I don't discredit anybody
because I don't think I can do –
see, Ocho, you know you and I have had this conversation.
I don't feel that I can do your job better than you.
I just feel I can do my job better than you can do your job.
Now, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
But that's how I feel.
I don't think I can do your job better than you.
I just feel I can do my job better than you can do yours.
You deduce from that whatever you want.
But I'm not going to discredit you from your job.
Whatever the case may be, a cashier,
ain't no way I can be no cashier.
I be looking at them people, they give me a dollar,
I give them 10 back.
They come in, hey, all them numbers,
hey, I ain't got time for that.
I get frustrated.
But I understand that people have a job to do.
And I think it's easy to say say because they won without Jason Tatum,
they're not winning a championship without Jason Tatum.
What do you think the odds are, Ocho?
They win a championship.
They're going to win the NBA championship without JT. I mean, shh.
So if that's not the case, they're not better without him
because the odds are they're a better team.
Do you think they would have won the championship last year without JT?
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
As a matter of fact, since you posed that question too,
based on, you know, Acho and Kevin Durant going back and forth,
this was just one game.
What happens if they come back in this series
and they get it done without Jason Tatum?
What happens if they get to the Eastern Conference – obviously get to the Eastern Conference Finals without Jason Tatum? What happens if they get to the Eastern Conference Finals
without Jason Tatum?
What happens if they do get a chip without Jason Tatum?
They not.
Oh, you still think it's not possible?
They not.
Even with the way Jaylen Brown played and Derek White?
No.
No.
Okay, okay.
Listen, I said that same thing, Ocho.
I swear I was talking to my guys last night about that.
I was like, I just said, what up?
Hypothetical.
You know, ain't many teams in NBA history ever came down,
came back from a 3-1 deficit.
But it's hypotheticals.
It's hypotheticals.
Yeah, so that's a hypothetical.
He's going with a hypothetical.
Say, for instance, they win tomorrow.
Boston wins tomorrow.
They're able to get back home.
Because at the end of the day, you know, the rope, you know, I mean,
I like the Knicks.
I do.
Jalen Brunson is a savage out there.
Yeah.
They're closer.
But with that being said, though, the supporting cast only had one game
in the series so far that they all of them scored over 20 points.
One game.
So, like, you know, you don't know what the supporting cast is going to do.
You know, Jalen Brunson is the head of the snake over there.
And, you know, a lot of these teams are one injury away from not doing anything.
Am I right?
Sure.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, but Boston is one team that has – listen, they have enough to still do it.
And I'm asking, does everybody show up, though?
So, in other words, if I take Ocho's reasoning, and I listen to you with if,
so, if the Golden State Warriors had won that series, that means they're better without Steph Curry.
No.
Shit.
That's different.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
All I did was remove the best player off the team.
The supporting cast in Golden State is not even close to what they have in Boston.
What about Jimmy Butler?
Play out Jimmy.
You told me play out Jimmy.
He's taking two teams to the NBA Finals, and he hadn't had –
I'm just saying.
I'm just throwing it out there.
We just having a healthy conversation now since we doing what ifs.
Yeah, but no, but they're done now.
So they're done now.
So they're done.
But look at the roster, though.
So go Boston starting roster right now.
Top seven players.
So top five now because Tatum is out now. So their current roster right now.
Look at their lineup, though.
Tell me what you think about their line compared to their boss lineup.
If they're doing what they're supposed to do.
Without Jason Tatum, their best six players aren't better than the Knicks' best six players.
You don't think so?
Hell no.
With Brunson, Cat, Bridges, Hart.
Who's the other guy?
OG?
I love New York Knicks.
And you got Mitchell Robinson and McBride.
So if I take the Knicks' seven best players, minus Tatum,
so the Knicks' seven best players,
and you give me the Celtics' seven best players, minus Tatum,
I'll take the Knicks.
Okay.
I'm going to see.
I mean, KP ain't showed up yet in this playoffs yet.
He ain't going to show up, so I'm going to stop looking for him.
He's 7'3 and invisible.
See, I'm just a firm believer.
These guys have all – you got two guys –
well, you got three all-star pedigree guys on Boston Celtics
that have been either a former all-star or not.
You know what I'm saying?
The only current all-Star on their
team is Jalen Brunson right now, but
Derek White could have easily been... What about Cat?
No, hold on. Cat
was All-Star, but they got two. That's what I'm saying.
New York got two.
Boston, they got two current, but
Boston has
one current and two former.
Drew Holiday and
Brzingis. So with that being said,
but then
Derek White could have easily been one this year.
I'm saying, was Al Hofer the All-Star too?
Did Al Hofer make it one time?
He's been an All-Star, yes. He's been an All-Star.
He's a former All-Star. So All-Star, I know they're older,
but All-Star pedigree does
play and have some leverage.
Well, hell, Matrix, hell,
I was a 12th grader.
I was a former 12th grader, Ocho. Well, hell, Matrix, hell, I was a 12th grader. I was a former
12th grader, Ocho.
What the hell? It ain't over
till it's over, Ocho. Yeah, you're right.
It ain't over till it's over.
Remember, this is all hypothetical, but
anything is possible. It ain't over till it's over.
You know that. Yeah, we do that a lot,
though. Ocho, we do that a lot. We see
a guy at football go down
with their better team without him?
No, they're not.
No, hell, they're not.
Somebody might – they won a game one time.
Would they have won a game without Chase?
Would that mean they're a better team?
What?
You talk about – hold on.
Jason Tatum is about to make his fourth consecutive All-NBA team.
You mean to tell me a team is better without
a first-team All-NBA
selection? You know what makes you
question it though, Sean? You look
at the way they play without him in
that one game.
It raises
the question and the possibility
of them actually being better without
him because of the way they play.
What happens, Ocho,
what happens when the original teacher
is not, we get a substitute,
where it's not the same.
So now you do things differently.
I believe the Knicks let their guard down.
The Knicks like, well, they ain't got JT,
they ain't gonna be ready to play.
And they underestimated them.
I bet they don't make that same mistake.
I bet they don't make that mistake in the MSG.
Well, we're going to see.
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Well, I hope not, You know what I'm saying? But, you know, listen, man. When you out here, man, we can't.
One of the things I learned a long time ago, you know this.
The one thing you can control is what?
Your effort.
You can't control that ball going in the hoop or not.
So, you know, listen.
You can't control it going in the hoop.
So, like, hey, man, listen.
Man, people feeling that pressure.
And, listen, I know Garden going to be rocking them all.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
I kind of wish I was in that.
I ain't never been to a playoff game in New York.
I would love to be there.
Hey, but hold on.
Did Acho did not see the three games they lost with Jason Tatum?
So, you better without him, but you lost three games with him.
I mean, he had 42.
They was up 20 points in every game.
Listen, they're not what they are without Jason Tatum.
He's one of the best players in the NBA.
Oh, by far, easily.
That's not a question.
It's hard.
Let's just say he's a top 10 player.
Yeah.
How is a team better without a top 10 player?
Okay.
You can win a game.
See, and I think the thing is,
sometimes what happens, Matrix and Ocho,
is that a team will win a game or two
without their best player,
and people are starting to believe,
well, hey, we can get rid of him.
If we can get something back, no, you can't.
Don't do that.
Well, no.
No, we, so, okay, no.
No, I'm not going to agree with that with that i'm gonna tell you something now so like put this way if jaylen so jaylen brown was out and jason was playing right
now and they did the same thing would you would you be still saying the same thing no because i
think they need both of them because when they when Durant became available, they offered Jalen Brown
and Derek White as some draft picks for Kevin Durant.
They didn't offer Jason Tatum.
Yeah, but, I mean, listen, KD my guy.
You know what I'm saying?
But I'm just saying because right now Jalen Brown took over the role
that Tatum does.
Did he not in his last?
So he became the main facilitator and did a great job at it.
He never gets in a fight.
He was due, though.
Okay, okay.
Did you see the way he been playing?
Have you seen the way he been playing this series?
So look, so Jason Tatum last year was dedicated to point guard, per se.
That's what they said last year.
Right.
They let him be the main ball handler.
So when you watch them play, they go, a lot of times they go tit for tat.
They go – Jason Taylor come down and shoot.
Then Jayden Brown come down and shoot a ton.
Yeah.
That's all right.
But now you don't have to go tit for tat.
Now you got him designated as that spot right now.
Listen, I'm just telling you, it ain't over until it's over with.
I'm not saying they can't.
Listen, I would love to see New York go.
I wanted to go seven myself.
I do, too.
I want all these kids to go seven.
You know what I mean?
Honestly, hey, it's been some great basketball.
You know what I'm saying?
But anything is possible.
I don't even put nothing.
Like I said, it's all hypothetical, though.
Remember, we were just talking about.
But it's hard to come back from a 3-1 deficit, though.
But those first two games, though, honestly, they could have easily won, though. Remember, we were just talking about, but it's hard to come back from a 3-1 deficit though. But those first two games though,
honestly, they could have easily
won though. They fucked them shits off.
They did? They fucked them
shits off. So we sit here and we
keep acting like, you know what I'm saying, Boston is
one of the things that Boston had
and the reason they was able to prevail
last year that most people don't, they have
seven 3-and-D guys.
They got one down with an injury
last game. They still got those six
3 and D guys. A lot of teams don't have
3 and D guys. They do.
They're starting to switch
everything now.
That's what I'm saying though.
It's not over till it's over. You just don't know.
Maybe KP is due for a big game tomorrow.
Ocho, a fan pointed out the Colts social media account
has only posted throws of Daniel Jones and none of Anthony Richardson.
Have the Colts already decided they're going with Daniel Jones?
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I doubt it.
I doubt it.
Obviously, when it comes to quarterback competition
between Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones,
I think that's one that
Anthony Richardson would win. Obviously,
right now, what they're doing right now,
I don't think it's a
testament to who would be
the starter, even if there is a quarterback
competition. I really think that Anthony
Richardson would win that out. Obviously,
having the edge, knowing the offense.
Man, you ain't paying no guy no $14 million to sit on the bench.
What other backup quarterback you know making $14 million?
Okay, so you think that –
Or the 31 other teams.
You think I'm throwing him in there, huh?
Based on –
No, I'm just saying I think there's a quarterback competition.
You said you don't think there's a quarterback competition.
I think there's a quarterback competition.
Why would they get that man $14 million?
I'll tell you one thing. Anthony Richards has a head start on that quarterback competition because he think there's a quarterback competition. Or why would they get that man 14 million? I'll tell you one thing. Anthony
Richards has a head start on that quarterback
competition because he knows the offense.
Yes, I agree.
He knows the offense. So if you allow
him to beat you out, I think it's more
politics because they're paying Daniel Jones
14 goddamn million
and I think they'll just get it.
Bro, I took you number three overall.
I put 38 million dollars in your pocket, guaranteed.
I guaranteed your whole damn contract.
What you mean?
It's politics.
It's politics that Anthony Richardson hadn't gotten better
and the things that he was doing wasn't conducive for you being a starting
quarterback and being good.
You think Daniel Jones is the answer?
Because we saw him in New York.
What's the question?
What's the question? You said Daniel Jones is the answer? Because we saw him in New York. What's the question? What's the question?
You said Daniel Jones is the answer.
I need to know what the question.
Did he go to Duke?
Yes.
Is his name Daniel Jones?
Yes.
You can't just say, do I think Daniel Jones is the answer.
I need to know the question.
I'm just running down everything you said.
I'm just running down everything you said.
Anything Anthony Richardson didn't do,
what the hell?
What do you think is going to happen when goddamn Daniel Jones
is there?
All of a sudden, he's going to go from
what he was last year and all of a sudden just be
Tom Brady this year?
No, absolutely not.
No, I think the thing is, but what does that say?
Daniel Jones is who he is.
In your third year, did they bring another receiver in
and they have him compete with you?
Oh, no, because by the time I hit my second year, I had arrived.
Okay, thank you.
That's all I needed to say there.
That was not only the Colts gaffe they've made in the last 24 hours.
The Colts ended up deleting their schedule release video
that is done by Minecraft style
and included a dolphin wearing a 10 Tyreek Hill Jersey being pulled over by the
Coast Guard.
Remember what happened to opening day?
And an apology,
the Coast said,
we've removed our scheduled release video because it exceeded our rights with
Microsoft and included an insensitive clip involving Dolphins receiver Tyreek
Hill.
We sincerely apologize to Microsoft and Tyreek.
It wasn't fucking insensitive. Tyreek ain't
one of them goddamn
oh my God, why did you do that?
He loved it and he tweeted it.
He said you should have left it up at Colts.
This was funny. It was funny. It was.
I mean, people
have to understand when you
make jokes about certain individuals, you
have to know who you're
doing it to. Someone like Tyreek
is going to laugh at that. He's not
one of those overly sensitive people
and obviously I'm assuming the people
at the Colts don't know it and maybe other
people will get upset for Tyreek.
Tyreek wouldn't care. It was funny.
Damn Tyreek.
Microsoft.
They tie your ass up with rights.
They got more money than their whole NFL, all the NFL.
You don't want to be messing with them, Ocho.
There are certain things you can do like, oh, I don't even care.
And there are certain things, when it comes to big companies like this,
that's sitting on $300,000, $400,000, $500,000, $600,000, $1 billion in cash,
don't fool with them, Ocho.
It ain't even worth it. Take it down. I'm
sorry. Okay, I see what you mean.
You just, Ocho, you just
apologize and keep it moving.
And keep it moving.
Some of the
schedule releases and the creativity
from some of the teams, I
really enjoyed. I really enjoyed
it. And Ocho,
this is why we have to be super super
cautious I told ash we're not showing another video we make sure we ask can we
show this on our platform make sure we get it and then we go screenshot it
because the last thing we want somebody to do is say yeah you can do it and then
erase it and we ain't got no now we give them no permission now you screenshot
that ash now that got us that got our ass give him no permission. Nah, you screenshot that ass.
Now that got us,
that got our ass burnt.
We had a 90 day,
you know,
we in probate in hell.
And then the dude took all the money,
the revenue that we won,
that we got from the video.
That whole episode.
He done ran through that.
Nah, he ain't got no more of that left.
Oh, Joe,
you remember the guy that DM'd you last week? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah,'t got no more of that left. Oh, Joe, you remember the guy that DM'd you
last week, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
What about it?
He got upset.
Like, bro, you gave us permission to show
the thing. You gave us permission to show it.
Oh. I sent
an ass a message, and I
you know, I was like, man, whatever.
Because it was the issue. I was like, well, it was the issue. I mean, man,
where you at? What's your location?
So you could tell me what you're talking about in person.
I asked three times, you know, I mean, you're feeling like, listen,
I didn't say anything bad. I ain't say anything bad. I just,
that's a long time.
But I'm trying to get, you know. He from Miami, you from Miami.
He took it away.
But, you know, I was like, bro, so you just bypassed what I said.
So you only heard what Ocho said.
I didn't say nothing bad.
I just said that takes too long for me.
I like to get in and out, you know?
In and out, that's all.
But he missed the point where I said, before you said that, Ocho,
I said, man, yeah, that's $300.
Easy.
For the haircut, the facial, the shave, the trim. yeah, that's $300. Easy. For the haircut, the facial, the
shave, the trim, yeah, that's $300.
So he bought it. But again,
Ocho, we talked about that, remember?
The way we're wired,
we only hear the negative.
He bypassed the positive, and I went
longer with the positive than you did
saying that it'd take too long. I went
way longer, but that's what he heard.
But, man, you're doing a great job. You provide a great service. I went way longer, but that's what he heard. But with my man,
you're doing a great job. You provide a great service.
I'm going to go get it.
You ain't got no damn haircut.
Yours is only $150. I'm going to give him a
three. Matter of fact, yeah, I'm going to give him a three.
Let him shave your head with that straight razor.
No, because I get bumps. I get bumps.
That thing look like a
nip and crunch.
It would.
I don't know where it's at.
I'm going to have to ask the patient.
I'm going to get that treatment.
I'm going to record it, too.
Yeah.
Man, we had a dude on our team.
I ain't going to call his name.
He shaved with one of them disposable razors.
Oh, no.
Under here, it got.
Man, it look like he stuck his face in an ant, baby.
Nah. Hey, we call it bump day
it took me one time
it took me one time to do it I forgot
I think it was 2007
the barber I was in a rush
so he said well let me use this on you and he used
the electric
oh the electric
it took about two days
man all this up under here, man,
looked like a damn Nestle crunch.
Never again. It took forever
to go away.
I don't...
Now, I do shade with a razor.
I put that blue steel on my face.
Yeah, I'm scared of that.
That right there? Oh, no.
Oh, no, man.
Man, you be busting blackheads for months.
According to Shams,
Draymond was fined $50,000
for making an inappropriate comment
that questioned the integrity
of the game officials during Game 3.
Cameras caught Dray on the sideline
mouthing, five and a half spread
during timeout after he filed out.
Dre,
Dre,
Dre,
you know,
everybody loves Dre, you know,
he come out, everybody after him
because he do it. Dre, you do something
every time. They ain't calling this because you're Dre,
you do something. They reallymond, you do something every time. They ain't calling you just because you Draymond. You do something.
They really give you a break, Draymond,
and you still holler and cuss the fish out.
I vowed with Fisher, Draymond would be out of the game
by the third time down the court.
He'll be out of the game.
But, oh, you know he do that.
They trying to get like people get.
Oh, you know he does that because he know once he gets one,
they're going to be very reluctant
to give him that second take
and throw him out of the game
because they don't want to influence the game.
Right.
Hey, I wouldn't be worried about influencing the game.
I mean, I ain't going to let somebody
cuss me out average six, seven points a game.
I mean, Draymond got to get a triple-double.
He got to get a triple-double.
I know he said he feel good about this team.
Butler come in, make this last play of the run with Curry.
But the Curry got hurt.
The team just seemed like they didn't have no more juice.
They played to a limit.
But sooner or later, you need talent.
You got to have talent on the floor to win.
Draymond has been fined $992,000 in his career,
with $185,000 coming for action towards official.
He's also been docked $3.2 million for suspensions.
So, he's lost over $4 million.
Over $4 million.
Yeah.
Man, well.
I don't like to curse that much.
I don't like to be right that much, Ocho.
Oh, God.
I don't know about you, Ocho, but hey, that was a good call.
That was a good call, Ralph.
Good call.
You know what?
When you make that kind of money, Unc, it's like you ain't even paying no mind, honestly.
Oh, you paying some money.
Yeah.
Huh?
I know.
I mean, you got to think about it.
If you would have added up my fines, right?
I know the times were different.
The times were different.
Now, you got to think.
For 11 years straight, Unc, I got fined every season for 11 years straight
to the point where I put money aside
because I know I'm finna cut up anyway.
But, Ted, how much you get fined
is different. You might get fined
$30,000 a year, $100,000 a year.
What if they fine you a quarter of a million every year?
Hold on, hold on, hold on, Oak.
You gotta think, right? My first offense
during the season, it starts
at $5,000 right it's i'm saying
how much was the average a year about 40 50 no no no because by the time i got about week 10 and i
was doing stuff at that point it was 30 to 40 to 50 000 so you think at that point i ain't i ain't
even care i'm having fun you think you got fined a quarter of a million dollars a year? Yeah. You think you
got fined that much? Absolutely.
Let me tell you something.
Remember when I tweeted on the sideline
in 2009? That was
30 grand right there. Remember when
in September, I put on
a poncho, like a real poncho and a
sombrero in September.
They took 50 for that.
You got to think, I kept doing stuff week in and week out.
The orange chin strap, the black
chin strap, the road wearing
gold shoes. I didn't care.
And when you add it all up
by the end of the season, I didn't
care because I was making it up.
You were making money, but you really didn't pay attention to it.
That's what happens sometimes.
It could be happening with Draymond. But I got fired
a lot in my career.
I probably got fired about five, four or five years.
You got fired too?
My whole career.
Damn, O.
But O, you played 19 years?
Damn.
Yeah, well, mine was more like suspension.
For fighting?
You know, hitting a couple people in the head before the game.
O, you was at that tussling with them?
Man, hey, one, two, that's it.
Okay.
You know, ask Barkley about it.
Hey, you got it with Tyrone Hill.
With Tyrone Hill, that's what – how many games you got suspended?
That was at a pickup game.
That was in the summertime.
You was fighting at the pickup game?
You was fighting at the pickup game?
Yeah.
No, who – He's tried to walk up on me.
What did you say, Shannon?
Who you got to fight with...
Hold on.
You slapped somebody.
You went to their shoot-around.
Oh, that was...
What's the name?
The Clippers.
Ty Lawson.
McGinnis.
McGinnis.
Yeah, McGinnis.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Oh.
Yeah. You knew that the word was going to get back to Stern,
that you had did something, and he was going to put the –
he was going to drop the hammer.
Why you do that?
It wasn't about that.
He threatened me, man.
I bet.
Hey, and I told him I went in a practice.
The whole team, everybody, the whole coach said everybody was there.
Oh, they might have jumped you, man.
No, they weren't going to do that.
I told Lamar, he said, that's my friend.
I said, well, you supposed to be helping your friend.
He didn't help him.
No, they know better.
Hey, Oak, Oak, you was the original Debo, man.
Well, I mean, when somebody threatened you, my brother would have told me,
don't wait for him, go to him.
I mean, but actually, in a basketball setting, words are just words.
They really don't mean that outside of the court.
They're just saying it because on the court, it's a safe place.
So they ain't mean it.
No, no.
Hey, Chad, there's one thing. I don't play on the court, and I don't play on the court, it's a safe place. So they ain't really mean. No, no. Hey, Ted, there's one thing.
I don't play on the court, and I don't play on the court.
No, he don't.
I mean, hey, what you see is what you get.
I've been doing it 30-plus years.
He is exactly what he said.
Believe me.
If he say he going to slap the air shot you, if he get close to you,
he going to slap you.
I like it.
I like it.
I like it.
But, no, he's all good. Who did you lend money to?
Who did you lend money to in the card game, and he didn't pay you back?
Tyrone Hill.
Tyrone Hill.
That happened at a game, too.
He paid you back?
He paid you back yet?
Well, he was trying not to, but he said he was going through a divorce,
and then he said his wife or something happened, this and that.
I'm like, huh?
I said, I ain't listening to your wife.
So I got it right before the playoff, though.
Look at that.
Bad OU of the wild one on that one.
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Oh, tell us about the cooking, bitches.
How did you learn how to cook?
Man, I learned basically, you know, my family, big time cooking, grandparents, mother, aunts and sisters.
But my thing is my rookie year, you know, I had some, I had some, you know, some skills already,
but traveling a lot, this and that, going in at the hotel, you know, my rookie year basically had a lot of bets on the team. But, you know, I just like going to these restaurants, I just got tired
of it. It's just doing the little things, you know, the burgers, the spaghetti,
steak, potatoes,
a little pasta, and, you know,
the breakfast food. So I just started
adding on to it, adding on to it, but
as I got good and good, all
the guys on the team started coming over and eating.
You know, I thought, you know, making the
team thing, bringing everybody together,
you know, and all that,
and I just fell in love with it.
And it's relaxing.
I saw you cook for Jay-Z, you cook for Jordan,
you cook for Oprah.
What did you cook for Hov?
So basically, it was at MJ Ford's birthday party in D.C.
And it was, you know, like I said, Jay-Z,
we was playing cards, Beyonce, everybody, Bob Johnson. I mean, it was a lot of people. So it was, you know, like I said, Jay-Z, we was playing cards, Beyonce, everybody, Bob Johnson.
I mean, it was a lot of people.
So it was the birthday party.
We got Snowden at the Ritz.
And so at the Ritz in Washington,
they got two tiles, the north and south tile.
So I was in the condo, MJ was in the rooftop.
So we ended up having a party after his birthday
and basically cooked two days in a row.
I mean, I just went to the store.
We just got a lot of food and, you know, they just had a good time.
But I do a lot of things like that, invites.
I give guys my likings to, you know, put on a charity, auction me off,
and they bid on me.
Matter of fact, I got one in Syracuse, New York, in about two weeks,
going to cook for like 50 people.
Basically, I can do that by myself, but it's just
something I just love to do, and I
really like to see a smile on people's face, and everybody
said, well, you know, this and
that, because I'm picky. You know what I mean.
I send something back to them.
My thing with me is
I know I put my heart
and soul in it. I don't want somebody sending my food back
to me, so I'm going to make sure it's right.
What's your favorite thing to cook, Oak? Oh, man. I don't want somebody sending my food back to me. I'm going to make you it right. What's your favorite thing to cook, Oak?
Oh, man. I tell
everybody it's me, but I don't know.
I try to cook what you like. I'm good.
I'm like the alphabet. A to Z
all 26. I can do 26 different
things. You know how
dope that is, Unc? They had that in your toolbox.
You know how to cook?
Man, that's
I think one of the greatest things to ever have
in your toolbox as a man
if you have money if you don't have money
but if you can cook oak
and you can play instrument
if you can cook and play instrument and if you got
and you want to add the cherry on top
know how to sing as well
I can't do none of that
I can't sing
I can, hey Chad
I can play spades and be a witch.
Yes, he does.
That's how you're going to give me the cup.
That's how you're going to give me the cup.
Because now you're talking about language.
Oh, you're talking about the spades.
Spades and being a witch, yes.
If you went to an HBCU, you went to a black college.
Oh, yeah.
If you can't play spades and if you can't jump,ades, and if you can't jump, you in, boy, you in trouble.
You in trouble.
And that, hey, I'm a spade-ologist.
So I'm the highest ranking, like you got the grandmaster
in chess.
Okay.
We go out there and set up, we go out there to get together.
You bring your partner, I bring my partner.
Okay, we can do that.
We already got that.
Next time you're in Atlanta, we gonna, hey, I'm telling you. How you, can do that. We already got that. Next time you're in Atlanta, we're going to – Hey, I'm telling you.
Let me see.
How you – do you play big joker, little joker?
How you play?
I can play big joker, little joker, no joker, just ace, king.
I don't mess with deuces.
Okay, good.
Okay, see, now you know people play deuces down with deuces.
Hey, big joker, little joker.
Man, I don't –
When they talk about deuces, I tell them I ain't playing.
I don't want to play with no deuces.
You got two big – you got Big Joker, Little Joker.
Then you got two deuces.
Nah, nah, nah.
Okay.
Just Big Joker, Little Joker, Ace King.
We play Big Joker, Little Joker, Ace King.
Yeah.
Some people don't play with no Joker.
Yeah, I don't like to play like that.
Nah.
I ain't playing like that.
I got a team.
I got a team.
Who?
Me and you, space game against Oak and Jordan. I like to play like that. Nah. I got the team. I got the team. Who?
Me and you.
Spades game against Oak and Jordan.
You know how to play, Ocho?
Yeah.
I know how to play spade.
What you talking about? I'm a spadeologist, too.
Hey, yeah.
That'd be a good one.
Hey, whatever y'all want.
Hey, that'd be a real good one.
Absolutely.
Whatever y'all want to bet, too.
Tell Jordan to put it on the deck.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Hold on, Joe.
Hold on.
Do you really know how to play?
Hey, you might have said the wrong things that way.
What the hell?
Hey, you playing for fun.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
We don't do nothing for fun.
We don't do nothing for fun.
Yes, I do.
Nah, nah, nah.
Hey, Chad, you can play, huh? That's fine. You can play. I'm out the city in Miami, nah. Hey, Chad, you can play, huh?
That's fine.
You can play.
I'm out the city in Miami, boy.
I grew up playing spades, boy.
I know.
Y'all play dominoes down there.
Now, hey, boy, now he's talking.
Now, see, I don't play no dominoes.
Hey, oh, oh, y'all still play talk?
Every now and then.
That was the thing we played on the plane back in the rookie
days guts people don't play talk no more they play poker and uh they be with us
i love to play we play we play in between too y'all play in between what's that oh yeah no
the basketball player i played with a lot of football players. They love that in between. And they love guts.
Look, I'm just telling you.
Guts.
And Boo Ray.
Boo Ray.
Boo Ray.
Now, we don't play too much Boo Ray.
Football guys do it all the time.
I know all the football guys.
Yeah, man.
I used to –
Drew Hill.
Dang.
That was Drew Hill first.
They were saying.
Drew Hill.
RIP.
RIP.
Drew Hill. He was a man.
So what's on the cooking journey?
Because you were on a cooking show.
So are you looking to do another reality show about you,
involve you cooking?
Yeah.
You know what?
You know my book is out, The Last Enforcer.
So I put my cooking book on hold,
but I'm going to come out with that this year.
So, you know, I was on Chops.
I've been on a lot of different cooking shows.
I did, like, when I was in Toronto,
I did, like, three or four shows.
So, this year, I'm going to speed things back up
because, you know, my wife,
we on the Atlanta Housewife, you know,
I don't know, it is what it is.
So, we're going to finish that up
and we're going to move on to the next thing
and I'm going to get my cookbook out
and we're going to try to do some other stuff. All right, Oak, we're going to get you up, and we're going to move on to the next thing, and I'm going to get my cookbook out, and we're going to try to do some other stuff.
All right, Oak, we're going to get you out of here on this one.
If the Knicks make the NBA Finals, are you going to a game?
I'm going to a game, according to who they're playing on the road.
I mean, right now, I've been banned from the Garden,
so I don't want to – and got jumped on twice.
I don't want to get beat up again.
So sometimes – they say you learn your lesson after twice.
So, hey, man, do I need to put a call in the door and say,
look here, man, that's Oak.
He a fan favorite.
He a crowd favorite.
He a New York favorite.
You got to have Oak in the building.
Yeah. You want to have Oak in the building. Yeah.
You want to see what happened?
I've been trying to get things situated with him.
He just one of them guys, you know.
I call him Trump nephew.
Well, damn, Oak, you ain't helping.
I tried to get you in.
You're trying to stay out.
I ain't call him Denny nephew.
Damn, Oak. Damn. Okay.
Man.
I've been trying to get you in, and you tried to stay out.
Hey.
Man, hey, sometimes, hey, I'm used to the cold, so I got a jacket.
All right, old last question.
Give me your Mount Rushmore power forwards.
The power forward.
Give me your four guys that you're going to put on Mount Rushmore.
So
is Akeem a center or a power forward?
Well, I'll say, okay, so
I'm going to go with, I'm going to give you five.
God damn. I'm going to give you McHale.
You got four heads.
Okay, four. I mean,
you know, okay. I'm going to
give you Kevin Cale
points wide
call him along
give him a flag
you know
sometimes we don't
always see eye to eye
you don't see eye to eye
and a whole lot of people
you see eye to eye with
well
like the guy from Auburn
he weighed about
400 pounds
he's a third
oh Charles
yeah and then I'm gonna I'm gonna give it I'm gonna give it like the guy from Auburn. He weighed about 400 pounds. He's a third. Oh, Charles.
Yeah.
And then I'm going to give it,
I'm going to stay old school. I'm going to give it to Shee Wilder's crazy ass.
How you lead Tim Duncan off?
Tim Duncan's
the center.
Tim of four.
Okay, well,
so I'm going to start over then.
I'm going to go Tim Duncan
Kevin Kell
Charles Barkley
Carl Malone
I'm leaving
Derek Coleman
Giannis them guys
I think all them guys the same
so if you had a team
who do you want
I know y'all probably going to take Giannis.
Giannis or Shee Wallace.
No, my first, if I have power forward, I'm talking.
No, Giannis or Shee Wallace.
Giannis or Shee Wallace.
Oh, Rashid?
Yeah.
Ooh.
I don't know.
I'm taking Shee.
I take Giannis.
Sheed?
Sheed should have been the best power forward ever.
Yeah.
Shoot the three, miss brain.
Post.
Giannis don't do nothing better than him, but dribble the ball off the court.
Finish.
No.
You don't think?
He playing against all the little kids or the poor.
That's why.
He playing against who he playing against, Oak.
Man, I know. He would have been back in the 80 kids or the poor. That's why. He's not playing against who he play against, Oak.
Man, I know.
He would have been back in the 80s and 90s.
Like I told somebody,
he probably been on the bench because he can't make free throws and couldn't shoot a jump.
My jump was better than his.
My free throw was better than his.
He's just a better athlete.
Y'all would have roughed him up, though.
He win the game, isn't he?
He gained weight after he got in the league
you had to come in the league with it
tell the people how they can follow you on social
media what's your handle on IG
I'm
real oak34
and I'm on twitter
you know me the enforcer
oak34 the enforcer
hold on
before you go you gotta do me a favor
right
listen
during the NBA playoffs
and during NBA season
in general
I have a hit list of players
you know
that I've challenged
that I have to play
when we have some time
you know
Joe Johnson
um
who else
who else
Antoine Walker
Kenyon Martin
Antoine Walker
Iso Joe
I already said Iso Joe
who else we got?
Who else on my hit list?
What y'all doing, though?
You playing one-on-one.
Playing everybody one-on-one, right?
So I need you to do me a small favor.
I need you to tell Jordan I need to get a one-on-one with him.
One-on-one?
Yeah, right now.
I don't tell him I don't want no excuses.
I don't want to hear nothing.
We can go to 11. I'm spotting 5 right now
oh
if you see me play you understand
why I said that
I ain't counting your game
I'm just saying he stay ready
for the moment so you know he got a couple
of shoes wouldn't that be a good one though
you go to 11
you go get 5 and he get the ball first I'm one of them ones You know, he got a couple of shoes. Wouldn't that be a good one, though? You're going to 11. You're going to get a five?
Absolutely.
And he get the ball first.
I'm one of them ones.
I'm one of them ones.
You might not see it no more.
He at least got to give you the ball first.
Nah, nah, nah.
Listen, listen.
I'm a gentleman.
I respect my elders.
Okay.
Well, he the oldest, so I understand that.
They always tell me, if somebody the oldest in the group,
you got to respect.
When they're young, they got to respect me.
That's how that goes.
All right, though.
Hey, when I'm in Atlanta, I'm going to hit you up, man.
Let's go grab a bite.
All right.
And we're going to play this space.
Oh, yeah.
Absolutely.
Hold on.
Hold on.
What's the money line?
What we bet?
I don't know.
We know.
I don't know.
A thousand a game.
That's it?
That's easy.
I'm just saying.
You know, start off. That's one money. You know, 1,000 a game. That's it? That's easy. I'm just saying, you know, start off.
Well, that's one money.
You know, 8-7, you buy in at poker, you buy in again.
So we start off and go up. Okay.
So hold on.
We're going to play more than one game.
We're going to have it go low.
What about this?
So what are we going to?
What are we going to?
300 or 500?
300.
Good.
Cool enough.
Bet.
And 500, you just want a whole hand. Hey, let me ask you this. Hold on. We don't want a whole hand. Cool enough. And 500, you just want a whole hand.
Let me ask you this. Hold on.
We don't want a whole hand.
Sandbag. Sandbagging.
You go over.
We just play.
If you sandbagging,
you ain't trying to get 300.
Don't worry about my hand. You bet your hand.
Don't worry about them coming. You sandbagging.
You bet your hand. Don't worry about what I get.
I don't care. I like sandbagging. I mean, you ain't trying to win. You sandbagging. No, I'm trying to set you. Don't worry about you sandbagging. You bet your head. Don't worry about what I get. I don't care. I like sandbagging.
I mean, you ain't trying to win.
You're sandbagging.
No, I'm trying to set you.
Don't worry about what I do.
Oh, you play two sets and then over?
No, that's what I'm asking.
Do you play like that?
No, I don't play.
I play whatever.
I don't think I play firsthand.
You get 10, that's 200.
Yeah.
Automatic win.
Yeah, for sure.
Automatic win.
I don't play no blinds. No. Hey, you get 10. That's 200. Yeah. Automatic win. Yeah, for sure. Automatic win. I don't play no blinds.
No.
Hey, hey.
Okay.
Some people play blinds.
I'm going to run a Boston off the muscle.
All right.
Well.
I'm going to run a Boston.
Hey, hey, hey.
I can already tell.
We already won.
We already won.
We got this one.
We got this one, Ojo.
We got him.
All right.
I can't wait.
Hey, Oak.
I can't wait.
All right.
Stop.
Stop.
Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Oak. I can't wait. All right. Stop talking about Oak.
I'll holler at you.
All right.
All right, Chad.
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