Nightcap - Nightcap - BIlls-Chargers, Steelers crush Bengals, Parker upsets Deontay Wilder

Episode Date: December 24, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Buffalo Bills taking on the Los Angeles Chargers, the Pittsburgh Steelers blowing out the Cincinnati Bengals, Joesph Parker's shocking upset of Deontay Wilder and much more! 00:00 - Introduction02:00 - Bills beat Chargers08:30 - Wilder gets upset21:50 - George Pickens goes off28:30 - Micah Parsons vs. TJ Watt42:00 - NFL MVP breakdown01:04:00 - Unc and Ocho get HEATED talking about top 5 boxers01:12:00 - Simone Biles husband gets exposed01:31:00 - Shannon doesn't like lingerie01:45:00 - Unc and Ocho answer fan questions #Herd #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and walk away with a narrow win. Josh Allen, 15-21, 21 237 yards one touchdown with an exception easton stick filling in for justin herbert 23 or 33 215 um when you look at this game what were some of your takeaways i mean the takeaway from this game was the goddamn bills are lucky josh allen is lucky james Cook is lucky. The Chargers played a decent game without a Justin Herbert. They did it just enough to almost

obviously win the game. That kick by Dicker. Is it Dicker or Decker? I don't want to pronounce it right. Dicker. I thought that sealed the game. But obviously, Josh Allen comes down throws a beautiful beautiful pass to digs on third and I'm not sure

what it was it was third and something and then came back and hit kind I gotta get these fellas names right man number 10 where his knee his knee was down yeah his knee was down where I thought it was a touchdown but they have to stop playing like this because you can't overcome the turnovers. You're not going to be able to overcome the turnovers once you get into playoff contention or you're in a playoff atmosphere against a team that's much better than that of the Chargers. Right. You know what, Ocho? They flashed a stat on the screen. Yeah. Josh Allen has turned the ball over 15 straight times in road games dating back to 2022. Wait, 15 straight?

15 straight games. He's had at least one turnover on the road. That gets you beating the playoffs because you pay double for him. He had, I mean, if he throws digs across the field in a situation like that, there's no backside help. So now let him run up under yeah because if you throw it like he threw it the same thing's gonna happen the guy's gonna undercut it and he's gonna pick it and the funny thing about it remember he just did it earlier he did it earlier in the game anyway to gabe davis yeah instead of across the field it was just he threw it up right in front

of him yes all he had to do is step into it just a little bit more. Shakir is number 10 for the Buffalo Bills. Okay, Shakir. Khalil, Khalil, Shakir. Okay. You're right. It seems like to me Buffalo kind of like

played down to the competition even though the Chargers still have a very talented team even without Justin Herbert, without Keenan Allen, no Joey Bosa, they still have a very talented roster. And give those guys credit for fighting hard.

But this has been the story over the last three years. They play good, but somehow they find ways to lose these type of ballgames. How many times have they lost by one, lost by two, lost by three points? And seemingly, in situations like this, somebody kicking a game winning field goal, a game winning field goal. But you only have limited time to go try to win the ball game or tie the ball game up. And so this is kind of been the story not only of their season, but of the last couple of years. But the Bills, you're absolutely right. The Bills need to play a lot better than what they played. And sometimes when you look across, you're like, man, they can't beat us.

Look at what they got at quarterback sometimes when you look across, you're like, man, they can't beat us. Look at what they got at quarterback. They're missing Keenan Allen also. You know, the defense, they just fired their coach. So what do they have to play for? Well, a lot of these guys playing for jobs. Because there's going to be a new coach coming in. There's going to be a new general manager coming in.

And they didn't draft. They didn't trade for or they didn't sign any of you guys in free agency so they absolutely have no loyalty to you uh and so there's going to be very interesting so that's what you're playing for you ask well what are we playing for we don't have anything to play for we're not going to the playoffs your job because i'm sure you're going to want a job in 2024 and so the new coach is going to come in and he's going to watch every single game. And the one thing that you don't want to put on tape, Ocho, is that when we're winning and we're front running, we play hard.

But the moment we face a little adversity and we're behind, we're not playing. Yeah, yeah. You can't do that. That's not a good look. That's definitely not a good look. But give the Bills credit. They come along. That's a long, long trip, Ojo. They win the ball game.

They're going to get an extra day of rest. They get an opportunity to sit at home for criminal and don't have to worry about anything. They're probably not going to have no practice until Tuesday. They're off tomorrow. They're off Sunday. Well, hell, they're not going to get home. Well, they're not going to get home until it's 11 o'clock, 12, 1, 2, 3.

They probably won't get home until 3, 4 o'clock in the morning. In the morning. They're not going to get home. Because you figure an hour to leave the stadium, and from where the stadium is to the airport, it's only like you get police escort. So it's not that bad. You're going to get there fast.

You're going to get there fast. And plus a lot of the traffic that have been, you know, kind of fanned out a little bit. Not all of it. Not all of it. There'll still be some traffic. But you'll get an opportunity

to get there. And so probably 30 minutes after you get to the airport. So yeah, they're not getting home to three, four o'clock in the morning. Maybe even five. That's a five-hour flight

because it takes us, when we go to New York, and that's upstate New York. So that's at least a five and a half, a five and a half hour flight. That's a five hour flight because it takes us when we go to New York and that's upstate New York. So that's at least a five and a half, five and a half hour flight. So it's 11 o'clock, 12, 1, 2, 3, 4. Yeah, they get home for 430. You know, the funny thing about it, but the good thing about it, you know, you know, it would have felt like to take that five hour and 30 minute drive back home and you had lost that game. That's bad. One behind that fumble or maybe that interception because it's only two or three plays

in an entirety of a game that make the difference. That totally makes a difference. And the fact that they were over to come two turnovers today, they got lucky. They got real lucky. But it won't cut it once you get in the playoffs. It won't cut it.

I don't know how you were, Ocho, but, man, I couldn't sleep. Man, we're a loser draw. Especially in the wind. I ain't sleeping. We rowdy back there. We playing cards. We laughing. We joking. We telling jokes.

We talking about if somebody got blew up in the game, oh, we on your head. Oh, man, dude, knock your block off. Right, right, right. If you got slept in a game, oh, don't worry about it. Hey, we about to feel bad for you on the field. But once we get on that, once we get to that locker room,

we get to that... Them jokes, them jokes gonna fly. Oh, absolutely. Them jokes are gonna fly. Absolutely. Every time. Every time.

But shoot, man, after a loss, after a loss... I'm down. I'm a brawler. Especially if I had a... If we had a long flight, you know, we were on the West Coast having to come back to the East. Yeah. I'm down. Especially if we had a long flight.

We were on the West Coast having to come back to the East. Yeah. You know what? I'm thinking about playing the Raiders or playing the Chargers and losing and having to come back. I can't even remember what I was doing. But I think I probably did sleep. Win or loss, I probably did sleep. You're sleeping.

Especially after playing a game, being beat up, being sore. Not sure what the outcome might have been, but I got to give him a rest. I got to give him a rest, especially for a flight that long. That's tough. I mean, just that five-hour flight coming from the west to the east, but that's hell, especially if you lost. Oh, for sure. I tell you what, you're not going to feel worse than Deontay Wilder. He got to come

all back with that L and how he looked tonight all the way from Saudi. Yeah, yeah. After that performance, they should make him walk back. After what he put on tape today, Ocho, they need to make him walk back. Listen, you know, Wilder, man, good friend of mine,

boxing is weird the way it works., boxing is weird the way it works. Boxing is weird the way it works is he's always been dominant. He's always been dominant with one hand and one punch. Yeah. He's always been dominant with one hand and one punch for so long. He's relied on it for such a period of time that now I think it's almost too late. We're now. You can't teach him nothing now.

It's too late. It's too late for him now, Ocho. You can't teach him nothing now. It's too late. It's too late for him now, Ocho. You can't teach him anything. Yeah, I know what I mean. If he was a little bit more technical and a little bit more sound as a boxer, not a puncher. Right.

Because now you're meeting people that have a great ring IQ that are able to protect themselves from that one hand and that one punch. And they are, they are better boxers. Does that, if that makes sense,

they might not be the better, they might not be the better fighter than him, but they are the better boxer. Yeah. Boxing him. Yeah. And as long as they don't walk into that punch or he let them sit them up to trap them.

But I think the thing is for him, Ocho in combat sports, when you're invincible, you remember how Mike Tyson was? Nobody really wanted to fight Mike Tyson until Buster Douglas knocked him out and then everybody had a line around the block. It was the same thing with George Foreman.

When he was knocking people out, he almost killed George Frazier, Joe Frazier, when he almost killed Ken Norton, nobody wanted to fight him. Then Muhammad Ali beat him. He took a sabbatical. Because the era of invincibility,

invincibility, when you're that guy, when you're the king of the mountain, kind of like a bully, everybody's scared of the bully until somebody whippers ass and says, oh, you ain't all that. Shut up. You ain't beat him why you telling me to be quiet you should have told that man to whip your ass to be quiet

and that's how it is in anything in any combat sport as long as you have this this aura of invincibility people gonna be like man can anybody because you have to understand Deontay Wilder although he only had that one punch, it was dynamite.

Listen, it was effective. Listen, this is the funny thing about it. I've seen Deontay Wilder spar a few times. Listen, the sound, the power behind those punches or that one punch, the jab is nice. But when that right hand catch you, and if it does catch you, he ain't even got to hit you clean. He could graze you and you're going down.

But then when you get against better competition, you come against boxers that are good, that have great footwork, that can get in and get out, even though they're heavyweights, and they're outboxing you using this up here, then you struggle a little even though they're heavyweights and they're out boxing you using this up here, then you struggle a little

bit. And most heavyweights, Ocho, as you go up in weight classes, most fighters, as you start going up in weight classes, can end the fight with one punch. Obviously, in the heavyweight division, everybody can throw a punch and get you up out of there. But the thing with a boxer is that he knows I ain't going to stand

directly in front of you. I'm going to come, hey, I'm going to come in at angles and I'm going to try to, I'm going to negate some of that power that you have by not standing in front of you. And so now all of a sudden, instead of giving him a square target,

they give you like this here. Sign, yeah. You ain't got nothing to hit. Yeah. I mean, if you get like, like hit my head, hit my head, it's like a stop sign. So he going to tee up on you. And that, you you get like hit my head, hit my head, it's like a stop sign. So he gonna tee up on you.

And that, you know, the thing was what really, me and I don't like I said, I follow boxing. I love boxing and I'm a huge boxing fan. I think what broke him more than anything, it wasn't losing is when he hit the guy with his best punch and he got up.

Yeah. He got up. Nobody had ever gotten up from a punch like that right and he kicked him flush and he shot up in the middle of ring like undertaker and got up and commenced to whipping his ass he said well if you tee off on somebody you hit them as hard as god and he don't go nowhere or if you knock him down he get back up i got to run well you're in a boxing match you can't run it could it could almost be demoralizing like god damn that was that was that was my best shot that was all i got and to see somebody take your power and get up and continue to fight it does something to you mentally i'm sure it does obviously i only been in the ring once so i

really am am not you know really equipped to be able to talk about it like that but but with the with the love i have for the for boxing and the love i have for watching the sweet science throughout the years i think i'm somewhat kind of qualified how about we put how about we put it in terms that we do our best hitter hit the receiver he go across the middle and we hit him flush. And guess what? Two plays later, they throw the ball to him again, and he go up and grab it across the middle.

You're like, damn. And don't even care. Man, you know how many times we done had guys turn that down when they see one of them guys hit him like that? Most definitely. That makes sense. Now, all of a sudden, we like, well, damn. He ain't scared. He ain't got no alligator arms.

Right, right. He really about that life. So it takes something out of not just the defense. It takes something out of the whole team. Because as an offense, we used to see a guy, him lay him out. And all of a sudden, he ain't laid out. He catching the ball and he take off running. Not even caring at all.

And the funny thing about boxing, the funny thing, the great thing that I love about the sweet science is styles win fights. Oh, yeah, for sure. Styles win fights. So no matter how much of a power punch you are, no matter how much you can hit somebody with one shot, when you get a better fighter in front of you that is great at movement, understanding when to take chances and when not to, that is very sound defensively and has a ring IQ, that is trouble for anybody that's a one-hitter quitter like Valdez. I wish even at 38, I'm not sure. At 38, can you develop the skill set to be a better boxer?

I doubt it, Ocho. To have a better ring IQ? But think about it, Ocho. He got started in the game late. You know what I'm it, Ocho. He got started in the game late. It's not like, you know what I'm saying, Ocho, it's not like he started in the amateur ranks of the Golden Gloves and worked his way up.

He was a late starter anyway. So you're asking him to pick up skills and to be able to do things that he probably should have learned probably like, let's just say a 10-year-old, 10- to 12-year-old. Well, he didn't get started until his 20s. So now, all of a sudden, let's just say a 10-year-old, 10- to 12-year-old. Well, he didn't get started

until his 20s. So now, all of a sudden, he's already at a disadvantage. It's kind of like in any sport, Tiger Woods understood, because think about it, Tiger Woods had a golf club in his hand at two years old, versus somebody that started playing golf as a

teenager. Not to say, you know, the longer you play something, the more skill, the more knowledge, and the more understanding that you have. And so I think that's what happened with Deontay. He got a late start. He wasn't technically sound,

although he had dynamite in that right hand. He wasn't a guy that was looking to put punches together to get you up out of there. He was looking for you to make that one mistake he land that big right and it was right south now if he caught you with it with the exception of fury it was good night irene yeah every time every time and so now do you go here do you think it is too late though do you think it is too late to develop the skill set listen the movement what i saw from him today in the early rounds, the movement, the patience, the picking and choosing, when to take chances and when not to, it looked great.

Round one through four, even though he was losing those rounds because he wasn't as active as he should be. Is he scared to take punches, Ocho? Because you know now, in order to knock somebody out, you got to take a chance. I ain't never seen nobody knock nobody out like this here. So when you throw that punch, guess what's open? Your chin.

Because you're trying to line that punch on him or whatever it is. Maybe it's a combo. Maybe it's an uppercut. So whatever the punch you're trying to land, you subject yourself to taking one. Right. Do you think after... I hear boxers always say, I hear announcers always say, a boxer's been knocked out, he's never the same again.

He's never the same. You think that whole truth, you think? Yeah. Yeah, of course. It messes with your psyche, you think? You get cautious. You get cautious. Okay. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. I see what you mean. Hey, I tell you what. I'm old enough to remember. You remember Roy Jones? When he lost to Antonio Tarver?

The Tarver. He was never the same fighter. The left-coating by accident, yeah. He was never the same fighter. He was never the same. Right. Now, I understand, you know, he had, Roy had went from,

Roy went from, you know, junior all the way up to super middle, all the way up to heavyweight. He took the belt from Reese. He was 193. He took the heavyweight title, and then he dropped all that weight to come back down. That's what he shouldn't have done. But Roy was not the same fighter after he lost to Tarver.

He started losing to fighters that Roy would have never lost. Roy would have toyed with him. Yeah. Yeah, most definitely. I think one of the problems with Roy also is as his skills started to deteriorate just a little bit, just a minute, just a little bit, he wasn't sound defensively.

Well, he was never. Because he was so much quicker and faster than everybody else. Yeah. You know, he could, I mean, you know, he dropped his hands and he was like, okay, you know, hey, and then pow, he catch you with that left hook. Yeah. He would catch you mean, you know, he dropped his hands and he was like, okay, you know, hey, and then, pow, he catch you with that left hook. He would catch you something when you suspected.

So now you're not as technically sound and you're still trying to take those chances as you start to age. And the reflexes aren't quite the same. Right. So hopefully that Deontay can bounce back, but I don't know. Hey, why would I say he coming back? He can't end like that. You can't end like that. I hope not.

You get back in the lab and you work on what you need to work on and you come back and you keep on fighting. Guys back in the 80s and 90s were so skilled. People think heavyweights are just big and slow, no footwork giant. But you have to understand, those guys had Olympic background. They came amateur. Ali won the gold medal in 60. Frazier was 64.

George Foreman was 68. Holyfield went to the Olympics. Mike Tyson was an alternate in the Olympics. Roy Jones was in the Olympics. Floyd Mayweather was in the Olympics. Sweet Pea Whitaker. Mark Breeland. all those guys. Tubbs and Henry Tillman.

The greatest boxing team ever assembled was the 84 Olympics. I think we won 10 of the 12 gold medals and I think we got a silver and one and a bronze. But we won 10 of the 12. And you go look at that roster. From Sweet Pea

to Mark Breeland to Henry Tillman to, I mean, we were loaded. Yeah, them boys on that. We were loaded. So you think things would be different for him from a skill point perspective as far as footwork and ring movement and ring IQ and stuff like that if he had started much

earlier as opposed to 20? Yeah, because the thing is, how often are you going to be able to knock somebody out with that headgear? So now you got to out-point them. Now you got to out-box them. You see what I'm saying? Now, not to say that you can't

knock them out, but it's a lot harder. That's why they spar with headgear. It's a lot harder to knock someone out when they have headgear versus not. So now it's a point system. I got to out-point you in order to beat you

because the likelihood of me knocking you out isn't that good. He's not a volume puncher though, so that takes that out of the equation too. Why? Because he didn't have the background, the amateur background. He didn't go up in the golden gloves.

He didn't grow up to go to the Olympics. So he just got in. To get as far as he got with the limited strength and the skills that he has, you have to, you have to, you know, tremendous,

tremendous. Yeah. But that's why, that's why I was asking. I know boxing is different from football, even at 38, is it possible to attain those skills even at over a short amount of time to become a volume puncher,

to be able to come out and throw maybe even as a heavyweight, it might be ridiculous to say, you know, 50, 60 punches in a round. Is that possible or is that not in his DNA? You think you could have been the same route runner if you didn't start playing football until you was 25? Hell no. Exactly. I needed all 10,000 of them hours. Exactly.

So now, because not only do you understand, you understand you know okay this is what i want to do you understanding how to set guys up you also understand from the defense that when i catch this ball here's where the danger is going to come from so you already know that from all those years man this single high safety ain't nobody coming if somebody's gonna come they're gonna be coming from the inside so if i give him an inside move he gonna probably bite i can spin out okay if he's coming up man he's probably coming up on the outside let me speak i'm gonna be able to get back up inside but yeah somebody might be coming so just make sure hey i gotta make this thing happen quick it's just years and years and years of repetition of knowing we'll get back we'll get back to boxing. Let's get to the Steelers. Okay. The Steelers blow out

the Bengals 34-11. Mason Rudolph, 17-27, 290, two touchdowns. George Pickens had a bounce-back game. Scores to Bengals secondary, four catches, 195 yards, two touchdowns.

He became the first Steeler to have two touchdowns of at least 65 yards since the great Louis Lips did it in 1988. I know you don't remember Louis Lips, but Louis Lips was a hell of a footballer. He was a hell of a receiver. Smallish, but hey, can't quit.

Bruce Pickens. George Pickens took Rudolph's first pass attempt for an 86-yard touchdown. What a hump. Ocho, what the hell did safety go with? What? I don't know what he was doing. I don't know what he was doing. I don't know what he was doing. I don't know what he was doing.

I have no idea. I have no idea what he was doing. But this is what I was talking about when I was somewhat defending George Piggins, obviously on the play with the block, and his frustration and his aura, the laziness of being underused or not utilized

to its potential. This is what I was talking about. This is what I was talking about. Now again, I'm not saying you have to block all the time. You have to put the effort in in blocking

so everything works. Listen, offense is 11 players. Yes. If one player's not doing something, it's like having an engine with no goddamn belt. The car might be running, but it ain't going to go nowhere if you ain't got the belt to get the engine spinning.

Got to have the spark plugs. Boom. I said that part. But the other flip side of it, listen, the Steelers aren't playing well this year. They have a franchise-changing receiver at the helm that they're not using. They're not utilizing him to his full potential. He's a game-ch potential. He's a game changer. He's a game changer. What we saw today is what he could have been doing since week one,

regardless to who they're playing. You put him in positions to make the plays. I look at Pukunakua. Pukunakua is a phenomenal talent. He's a phenomenal talent. What he's done this far in the McVay system is phenomenal. But is he that or at the likes of George Pickens when it comes to running speed skill set? No, I don't think so. And that's no disrespect to Puka. I'm just speaking on what I know based off what I know about receivers in the eye test and what I know George can do. And we saw a glimpse of it tonight. What we saw tonight shouldn't be happening in week 15, 14, 16, whatever week we in. I don't even

know. That should be happening consistently week in and week out. When the Steelers line up on offense, the defensive adjustments should be made based on where he's lined up. That's the type of player he is. And I'm glad I'm glad he hit

me tonight. He hit me tonight and I say, man, good game. I love you. That's how this shit's supposed to look every motherfucking day. Every day. Forget the catching part. Forget the catching part. The catching and the blocking.

Have a complete game every time you step on that field. Yes. Never be the problem. Nigga, be the solution. Oh, shit. My bad. My bad. I'm sorry.

Ocho. People hear me. Oh, Ryan Clark. My bad. My bad. I'm sorry. Ocho. People hear me. Oh, Ryan Clark. Shannon Shaw. What y'all think about this? Two things can be true. George Pickens loafed last week on the block. This week, George Pickens had an incredible ball game. You see how two things can be true? Just because he had an incredible ball game, that doesn't

negate what he didn't do last week. Right. And so people got to get out of that notion one thing does not compensate for the other he did that that's on tape just like what he did this week it's on tape i'm a special yes i believe two things can be true george pickens loafed on a block last week we saw it george pickens came back week, had four catches for a buck 95 and two touchdowns, and became the first Steelers receiver to have two touchdowns of at least 65 yards in a game since Louis Libs did it in 1988.

Those are true. But here's the thing, Ocho. As a receiver, you're a receiver. We played a dependent position. We couldn't throw ourselves the ball. We couldn't call plays for ourselves. The only thing that we could control was our effort. How hard did you get in and out of that break?

How hard did you get into that break? What did you do once you got the ball? What did you do when you didn't have the ball? Are you excited? Because you're only going to be as good if you're excited that somebody else scored a touchdown than if you scored it yourself. That's when you know you're on to something. I've been on part of the championship team.

And to see how excited he was for me and Rod or TD, and to see TD running down the field, and everybody want a mile-high salute, that's when you know you're on to something. All I'm saying, look, and I'm saying, Ocho, you don't think I wanted to catch 10 passes a week? You don't think I wanted 100 yards and a couple of touchdowns a week? Yes.

Right, right, right. Realistically, even Tyreek, the type of season that he had, even Calvin Johnson, when he had that record-breaking season, there were some games the man had 50 yards. Yeah. It wasn't many. Yeah. Yeah.

The effort is the only thing as an athlete i can control even when i shoot the ball now it might look pure i can't control if it go in or not but if i miss a shot i gotta hustle my ass back on defense or my man gonna get the layup or my man gonna get a dunk so that's all i'm saying to george pickett there's no denying his talent. We know what he's capable of doing. Yeah, they need to use it though. They need to put that motherfucker on display every goddamn week. Every week.

They look good. And that's coming from a Bengals fan. That's coming from a diehard, still love, everyday bleed, black and orange. They look goddamn good today. They look good.

Can you put up there not only the sacks, but tackles for losses, forced fumble, fumble recovery picks? I know pick probably watching right now. Hey, pickers, if you watching, man, send us $100, yo. Send us a quick hundred. Tom, but Don said, do me a favor, Ocho. No more GDs tonight, please. Love y'all content, but the GDs worse than any other

swear word. GD? I don't even gangbang. I'm not from Chicago. I'm not a GD. No, he's saying gosh dang. You saying the GDs. No, it's goddamn. Got. Got. Okay. Not the D word got damn. Got, got. Okay. Not, not, not the, not the D word, G-O-T. Okay.

Yeah. I'm just, that's what, that's what, that's what he's saying. Oh yeah, tell him, tell him it's, tell him it's got damn. Not, not the G-O-D word version. My, my grandma don't play that board. She'll slap fire at my mouth. I've, I've been looking at this and Molly said something the other day. That the betting favorite for defensive player of the year is Michael Parsons.

And I'm just trying to figure out how. Oh, because it's based off numbers, huh? Because it's based off numbers? I mean, he ain't even close with the numbers. TJ Watt leads the league in sacks. He has more sacks, more forced fumbles, more fumble recoveries, more interceptions, more touchdowns, more tackle for losses. Well, Makai got – Makai, let me see.

He got 12 and a half. He got a forced fumble, 14 tackles for loss. Yes. Well, shit, Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett and goddamn Makai got them right there neck and neck. So running away with it is T.J. Watt based on what he's done so far. T.J. Watt leads the league with 17. Miles Garrett is seventh with 13. He and Micah are tied for tackle for losses with 14.

TJ Watt has 16. Right. TJ Watt has more forced fumbles. He has more fumble recovers. He has more interceptions. He has more touchdowns. What am I missing? Listen, all three of them are very impactful on that defense.

We can't get a war to three players. We got to give it to somebody, Ocho. All right. What am I missing? Listen, all three of them are very impactful on their defense. We got to get a war. We can't get a war to three players. We got to give it to somebody, Ocho. All right. Who do you like? Who would you like? If you had to give the war to somebody, who do you give it to? Right now, to T.J. Watt.

To T.J. Watt? Yes. Despite the team's lack of success. Hey, there have been. I'm just asking. Despite the team's lack of success. Man, Cortez. Ocho.

Cortez Kennedy was defensive player of the year on a 2-14 team. So don't give me no lack of success. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying anything. I'm not saying anything. I'm just trying to make sure I touch on all angles before you give it away. But the Steelers have an opportunity to get into the playoffs. They still got a chance to be a wild card. You're right.

You're right. You're right. You're right You right They not done yet Ocho You know what I think When I think about it I like what Makai doing Makai has done this far Micah

You know through the season Micah Micah I'm sorry I like what Miles Garrett Has also done They are forced to be reckoned with On their teams Yes

And they can change The direction of a game at any point. And is it a fact that maybe they're getting double teamed? Oh, you don't think TJ getting double teamed? I don't know. I don't really. I don't watch the D-line like that. I watch it all.

Because especially, I'm watching it all for the simple fact I need to see. I don't really get caught up into like, OK, he scored. I need to know why he scored. OK, he got a sack, but I need to know what happened. How did they scheme it up? Right. Did somebody get off on the block?

Did they slide the wrong way? Did the back miss the block? I have to look at all of that. And if I look at TJ's numbers, and it's just hard, and it's not like the Steelers' defense are trash. I can see if he's on the defense, and they, you know, they dead last in pass defense. But we know where the Steelers are.

The Steelers always been, they linebackers have always been legit. You go back to the 70s with Ham, Lambert, Andy Russell. You come to Kevin Green and Greg Lloyd. You go to Gilden and you go to Joy Porter and you go to Holmes and you go to Kirkland. They've always

had linebackers. James Harrison. Larry, Larry Foote. Yeah. Hey, so I have a question. TJ Watt normally played a wide nine, right? He never, he never. They put him down and they put him down and put his hand in the dirt.

But they play a 34 defense. So they play a 34, that mean that's still a nine. That's still a nine, no? What would you call it in three-four? I call it a 34, that's a Sam, Will, and Mike. Okay, okay, okay. What do we call it?

Well, he's normally the strong side, so we call it Sam. Right. You got Sam, Will. You got Plug and Mike. Okay. That's the way we label it. Now, if you play a 43 defense, we call it Sam, Will, and Mike. Mike, okay.

But we call it, when you got a 34 defense, Sam, Will, plug, Mike. So they played the Steelers for the last 30 years. Now, in the 70s, they were called the Steel Curtain. They played a 43 defense. Ernie Holmes, L.C. Greenwood, Joe Green, and those guys. That's why I'm asking. I'm looking at the sex right and I'm trying to see what do they do with TJ Watt

differently that they don't do with Micah and Miles Garrett well Micah well see they're like Miles is an in and normally they play a 43 so he's on the what they try to he plays the open

side so he's always they're always they try to – he plays the open side. So he's always – they're always trying to put him away from the tight end. And they move him around a little bit too. They'll swap him around. And you see sometimes he's going in between his legs. He's over the guard. What they're trying to do – and they'll do this with all of them. Who's the weak link?

Now, I'm going to turn the door handles on all these doors. Now, one of them got to open. Right, right. And the one that opens the easiest, I'll be back to come in there again. Right. So, but they will drop TJ in the coverage because, you know, as the wheel and as Sam Backer, sometimes you got to hook the flat. You got to curl. So, you're not always rushing.

And Michael occasionally, but more times than not, when you got a guy with his hand in the dirt, you're rushing him more times than not. Occasionally, you run a zone, you get exotic, you run a zone blitz, and you'll fake like it, and he'll drop out. But for the most part, Miles Garrett and Micah do a little bit, not much, because you're wasting T.J. Watt if you drop him in coverage.

Right. He'll hell raise him. So I want him kicking in the door. Like he doing his sack celebration, I want him kicking in the door. Kicking in the door. And then when you think about it, listen, we didn't even talk about Khalil Mack. Khalil Mack, yeah. Khalil Mack, too.

The Nail Hunter. Who's you be in the conversation? Yeah. The Bosa. Yeah. The 49ers. Yeah. 49ers? 49ers Bosa? He's not.

He's not. Joey? No, Nick. Joey plays for the Chargers. Nick plays for the 49ers. Man, they all look the same, man. They all look the same. Hunter in Minnesota?

He's having an outstanding. He was leading the league for quite a bit, maybe about 10, 11, 12 weeks in a row. Yeah. And it tailed off a little bit. I mean, what you call having an outside chance to get 20. He'll tie his brother.

He'll be the only second man in NFL history to have two 20-sack seasons. You know, his brother, JJ, had two seasons in which he had at least 20 sacks. Nobody else has been able to do that. We've had some guys that have 21 and a half. Strahan had 22 and a half.

What's the record? The record's 23, right? 22 and a half by TJ and Strahan. Okay, okay, that's live, man. You know how many sacks that is? I don't think people even know how difficult it is to get a goddamn sack, let alone to get 22 of them. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, my goodness. And these guys have gotten really good. These guys know how to bend. I mean, everybody. It doesn't matter. Normally, the bending was for smaller guys. Sam back, the guys that you

know like a derrick thomas like a von miller but if you look at miles garrett miles garrett at 265 pounds 270 and he can bend like a guy that's 232 man man been like he doing the motherfucking limbo yeah uh yeah look at tj look now michael is as, he doesn't bend as much. Michael is a more swim or rip. And you know what other people don't get to see? I call it the casual fan. I mean no disrespect. All they think of, they just see D and they think about Russian and don't understand.

These fellas have a plethora of, they have a plethora of moves. They have a plethora of setups. Yeah. They get to, they get, man, oh, it's unbelievable to watch. It's almost like art form. It's almost like art form, but you don't get to see the hand-to-hand combat because all you see is just a guy just bull rushing, not knowing he's actually setting the ball. Bull is when you go basically take the guy right down the middle

and walk him back to the quarterback. Yeah. Now, there have been only a handful of guys. The only guy that I know could do the forklift was a guy named Jumpy Gathers. Jumpy. Forklift. Forklift. What he would do when the guy would try to pass block him,

he would shoot his hands through there like a forklift. Lift the lineman up, walk him back, sack the quarterback. He's the only guy I've ever seen that. Lift him up? Lift him up off his feet. A 340-pound man, Jumpy can lift him up off his feet and take him back to the quarterback. He must have been strong.

He must have been strong. He was. Remember, I told you, Jumpy can lift him up off his feet and take him back to the quarterback. He must have been strong. Remember I told you, Jumpy from Charleston. Jumpy is only like one generation. Wait, like Larry Allen strong? Like that? Yeah. Oh, he lived Larry Allen up. Live him up. Larry Allen, Larry Allen? Live him up. You see Reggie

hump Larry. You see Reggie, you. You see Reggie? You see when they had the thing, the 30 for 30 on ESPN? Uh-huh. What happened? Humped him. Well, he clubbed him? Yep. Okay.

He must have caught him on his heels. That's what Reggie does. But see, Reggie could also bend for a man that size. And Reggie had no gloves. For real? Reggie just had, Reggie just was out there with his bare hands.

Didn't matter how cold it was. With the tape on his, the tape on his fingers. Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah. So, and you know, the guys could wipe,

you know, they bend the edge, turn and poop, right there to the quarterback. Oh, man. The guy set you up with the rip. Uh-huh. So it's all a setup they're looking at okay how deep does he get okay how deep is the quarterback okay one two three okay that's where

the quarterback is okay it's set up one two okay and so it's like a rhythm okay he's here yeah okay this is where i need to get to okay i need somebody i need you to clap the pocket and make him take one step back or take him so he can't drive he can't step up because now i can bend and get around the edge so it's it's it's a it's a dance it's i mean like you said people think oh he got a sack but do you know why he got that sack? He got a sack. Do you know how he got that sack? So much comes into play. And I always wondered, from playing the mind game and thinking about it, as a DN, obviously I don't play DN, but I would count the kick

and when he anchors down. I mean, I'm just saying in my mind, if I was, I know when the ball snapped, kicked kick kick you know and then knowing when to make my move or when the when the when i when the apply pressure when the punch when the swim yeah when the dip and rip right man it's so many things that come into play right i'm just taking that i'm just taking it as if i was playing receiver and just implementing the same thing as if i was playing the hardest part is oh jo, is that you don't know where the quarterback is. You know where you think he should be.

Be, right. But how many times have we seen the offensive line, the tackles, push the guy off the field only to have the quarterback run right into it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Run right into it. And see, normally that happens with mobile quarterback because they think they're running away

from something on the front side and they run themselves into trouble on the back side if you look at the most mobile quarterbacks from randall cunningham to lamar jackson to cam newton to mike vick to all those guys those are your max most sad guys now obviously tom ended up breaking that record because tom played so long you expect the guy to play 23 years to end up being the most sack quarterback in NFL history. But when you look at a lot of the mobile quarterbacks that didn't play nearly as long, they're way up there in sacks because while they could get themselves out of harm's way, sometimes they thought they were getting themselves out of harm's way on the front of the backside, only to run themselves into trouble in the front of the backside. But it's going to be close because I don't think anybody, it's not like

TJ, when he had 22 and a half sacks, it was easy. Or when you had Aaron Donald have 20 sacks, it's easy. At D-Tackle, do you know how difficult that is? A D-Tackle having 20 sacks. Think about that. 90%

of the time, Aaron Donald was double teamed. Oh, yeah. My bad, 87% of the time. What's the difference? 20 sacks and a D tackle. That's insane and unheard of. Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy.

It was unbelievable. And the thing is what was so impressive, because when I watched J.J. Watt, J.J. was kind of simple. J.J. just had to rip.J. was kind of simple, right? J.J. just had the rip, but he was so quick with his first step and he was playing the five. Yeah. Wearing them guards out. Yeah.

He wearing them guards out. Same thing with Bruce. Bruce was a five technique, got over 200 sacks. Yeah. I don't know if that, I mean, maybe now with that extra game, if you can play.

J.J. Watt big, man. Oh yeah, yeah. To be able to move like you can play. They did what? Big, man. Oh, yeah. Yeah. To be able to move like that, man. That's a big boy, man. But it's going to be very interesting. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next.

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To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm anxious to see, like, the MVP, because it's not like, you know, like Patrick Mahomes. When Patrick Mahomes had 5,000 yards and 50 touchdowns, who else are you going to give it to, Ocho? When you look at him last year, he had 5,000 yards, and, like, he led the league in passing yards,

led the league in passing touchdowns, led the league in QBR, and they had the best record. Well, it's easy. Now I think because now you got Christian McCaffrey doing what he's doing, rushing and receiving and look at their record. You get a Brock Purdy doing what he's doing. He's number one in QBR, number two in completion percentage.

If he's averaging like nine point, almost 10 yards, it'll be the highest yard for completion since 1957. You got to go back to Otto Graham and Norm Van Brocklin. Right. So 53-50. What happens, even what Purdy's done this season, I'm not saying, I'm not Cleo.

I can't predict the future. What happens if the Ravens defense has the formula to stop that juggernaut of offense tomorrow? What happens if the Ravens beat the 49ers? It should be hands down that the MVP is going to Lamar Jackson on what he's been able to do.

So you feel that same way if Purdy and them beat the Ravens that it's Brock Purdy's? Oh yeah, it's a wrap. It's a wrap. Who else you gonna give it to? Who else you gonna give it to at that point? You know, you're right. You that point? I got something to say about it with Miami. You know, you're right.

You know what? I'm moving too fast. I'm moving too fast. You know what's funny? Have the Cowboys beat anybody over 500 this season? Eagles two weeks ago. Okay, they did beat the Eagles. Okay, have the Dolphins beat anybody over 500 this season? No.

Well, right now, what are the Broncos? Broncos are 500. So theoretically, they're not over 500. They're not under, but they're not over. So we'll see once the season's over, do they get above 500? But no. And that's been the knock, and that's why this game is so important.

And we're going to learn a lot about the Dolphins and the Cowboys because we need to see them. We see the Cowboys struggle on the road. We see the Dolphins struggle when they step up in competition, be it home or the road. So it's going to be very, very interesting. Can the Dolphins run the football to keep that undersized defense from just

pinning their ears back and coming to get Tua? Because Tua, you know what, for a Tua, for a guy that's small, he's not that mobile. You don't think he's mobile? No. I mean, he's not Lamar Jackson mobile, but he has very good pocket awareness, though. No, I mean, he can move side to side with his capability.

Right. Right. Right. Because you got to think, like, okay, Peyton, man, you know Peyton, and you know who else? Tom. Matthew Stafford, that guy's not going nowhere. They're old school pocket passers.

But you think of somebody smallish, you're like, oh, man, like a Kyle. I'm thinking, man, you ain't finna get Kyle on the ground. How you gonna get Kyle on the ground because he move? You look at a Michael Vick. You're thinking the smaller the guy is, the more elusive he's gonna be. Elusive he is.

But you know, Tua Tua's not even built like that. But for what he lacks, this is the thing about it. For what he lacks in escapability with his lower extremities, he makes up for in his accuracy. Yeah. Two-way accurate than a motherfucker. I don't give a fuck.

Oh, yeah. I'm off on a curse again. I don't care what people say about him not having arm strength or arm talent. He is accurate and throws a catchable ball. Yeah.

He throws it every time. When you don't have the arm, when you don't have, say, a Josh Allen or a Patrick Mahomes level arm, you have to throw with great anticipation. So your anticipatory skills are Brock Purdy. You have to be able to anticipate because in the NFL,

guys don't get open, you throw them open. Because that stuff that you do in college, oh, he open, I'm going to throw it now. No, it ain't the NFL. That's either a pick or knockdown. Yeah, you got to be special. You got to be a special one to be able to be open. Exactly.

Tua has zero rushing touchdowns this season, and he has 55 yards rushing. He has 55 yards rushing. But it's going to be interesting to see how the Cowboys attack him because if Tyreek plays and I understand that he going to play but I understand

that Deron Bland is having an unbelievable season and Gilly is playing well but are you really trying to man them up on Waddle and Reek I'm just saying they play a heavy But are you really trying to man them up on Waddle and Reek? Man, who up? I'm just saying. They play a heavy—they're one of the most heavy teams that play the most coverage of man.

And they're not going to change. They're not going to change. Because you know that the Dolphins are coming to that game to establish the run, the same way the 49ers did, the same way the Bills did, the same way the Arizona Cardinals did. Correct. They established the run to open up the pass. Right. You know they are. Yes. You know they are.

Yes. You know they are. That's the exact same thing. This is a copycat league. Okay, when you watch film, what worked on the Dallas Cowboys on the game that they lost? Everybody ran the ball.

Right. Goddamn James Cook had a goddamn, might have been a career day. Yeah, 170-something yards rushing. Well, what you think the Dolphins are going to come in here and do? Okay, Ben. Did you know this, Ocho? I just saw this stat that Mostert had 19 rush touchdowns in his first eight years.

He got 20 rush touchdowns. 20 just this year alone. Yeah, this year. It's amazing what a change a senior could do, which is why I say it's important where you go when you're drafted. It's important going to a team that's going to utilize you to your full potential and not allow you to go to waste. You do realize.

What does that say? You come to the Dolphins all of a sudden. You come to the Dolphins all of a sudden. You got 20 touchdowns in a season. What happened if you could have had this production continuously when you first got in the NFL? Well, his problem was he couldn't stay healthy. Remember, he was the running back

in San Francisco when it went to the Super Bowl. Him and Jimmy G. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So his problem is that, Ocho, you know when you possess that kind of speed, you got small joints. You can't have no block angle and have that dorsiflexion

to be able to pick him up and put him down. So he got dinged a lot. So he's missing time. This year, to his credit, he's been able to stay healthy. So on the field, he's getting opportunity. Just like A-Chan, A-Chan, A-Chan. Yeah, boy.

He can fly. But you see, he's been deemed. You see? Yeah, he can fly. He a little smaller in stature. Yeah. He a little smaller in stature. And they got him running between them damn tackles.

Yes. Yeah. Oh, you know, when you grow up in high school, you got that kind of speed. All they're going to do is toss it to you or pitch it to you. Uh-huh. They let you get outside. Because everybody come up. Yeah, you got that kind of speed. All they're going to do is toss it to you or pitch it to you. Uh-huh. They let you get outside. Yeah, you got to come down here. Hey, even C-Mac, Christian McCaffrey, runs more between the tackles than you think.

But I knew he could do it because I watched him. Because Stanford has the most pros when he was at Stanford. Oh, Stanford. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a pro-style offense. Right. And so I saw him run between the tackles. So I didn't think it was going to be a problem.

Problem. Yeah. But he's used properly now as opposed to just, oh, we just go dive into it. He was the workhorse with the Panthers. Yeah. He was too much of the workhorse and they ran the goddamn horse into the goddamn ground. Yeah. Which is why he stayed hurt and nicked up.

Yep. But the balance that they have and the usage that they have over for him over there with the 49ers because you got so much around you, he ain't got to take the whole load. You know what I would like to know, Hocho? How much does he practice during the course of the week? Because everybody doesn't understand

these guys like a Kyle Shanahan. It wasn't like, you know, TD probably got Wednesday off. Did a little bit of 9-on-7 because we had to say, hey, bro, you get 23-25 carries every week. Especially the running back. He's a

smaller running back at that. So you wanted to get in the days off, give you Wednesday off, Thursday do something, Friday, you know, pick it up a little bit just so you're in tune with the rhythm of the game and got the plays down on Fridays and you be ready to go Sunday

that's how you work it Ocho today is the fifth is the Immaculate Reception after 51 years ago today what's your favorite sports iconic moment oh that's easy chat chat y'all stay with me chat y'all stay with me because y'all might not know this favorite sports iconic moment? Oh, that's easy. Chat, chat.

Y'all stay with me, chat. Y'all stay with me because y'all might not know this, but if you don't know this, I need you to use YouTube and Google once the show is over. Ronaldinho, my guy. Ronaldinho got a standing ovation when they played against Real Madrid at the Bernabeu

2005-2006. He scored two goals. You don't understand how big that is. Let me give you, for context, for those of you in the chat. Was it a bounce or a kick? No, no, no, no. He just scored two goals. That day, his performance was so good.

They're playing away now. He was playing for Barcelona. They're playing Real Madrid at home. So for context, let me get this to you. We playing the Steelers. Let's say today, for instance, I go out there and have a day like George Pickens, four for 195 and just say two TDs. And when the game is over, the entire Steelers fans, the entire stadium stands up and clap for me as I walk out the stadium or as, as,

as I come off, come off the, but get subbed in a song. You, you, you hear how crazy that sounds, man. One of the greatest moments,

one of the greatest moments for me being that I love soccer so much. There are so, there's so many different others, but to me, that's one of the greatest moments ever Is seeing Ronaldinho Get a standing ovation From the away crowd At Real Madrid For his performance In that game

El Clasico For those that don't know What about you? Immaculate reception was cool But that goddamn Standing ovation man At any way you don't understand how passionate soccer fans are.

Yeah, I do. There's a true hatred and disdain for the opponent. But normally, I think when people think iconic moments, someone on the field did something that you'll never forget. Like the Immaculate Reception, you got Kirk Gibson hobbling to the plate and you get the call or you

get Malcolm Butler doing what he did in the Super Bowl. But that is a moment like that. Or you get Ray Allen's shot where he's backing up. That's up there with that, Unc. That's up there with that. If anybody in the

chat, if anybody in the chat is a soccer fan a true soccer fan please explain the unk that that is an iconic moment that is up there with some of the best including that of the immaculate reception i think so yeah i think so oh joe but you what you're saying what you're saying look look how many people watch soccer i mean that's that's the difference because it's a global sport. Right, right, right. So, I mean, you're going to have 110 to somewhere

120, 125 million. But the World Cup, you got a billion people watching. Yeah. So even if you don't, I mean, even if you want to say the World Cup, where you had Messi and you had, what's the guy from France? Mbappe.

Mbappe. Yeah, I was at that game. It was crazy. Damn! The atmosphere was crazy. What about you? Who you got? I know yours is going to be a Jordan.

I guarantee you against Utah. I had to walk off. Or you could say the moment where he going against the Lakers and he's going to be a Jordan. I guarantee you against Utah. I'd walk off, or you could say the moment where he going against the Lakers and he's going to dunk it, and then he goes this. And he switched hands? Yeah, man. That was nice. That was nice. This tough.

It's so many moments, though. Yeah, I remember the Miracle on Ice. Oh, USA? Yeah. Was that Russia, right? Was it Russia? Yeah, I remember the miracle on ice. Oh, USA? Yeah. Was that Russia, right? Yeah, it was against Russia. Man, I would probably go

Ray Allen's shot. Game six, NBA finals. Oh, in the corner, the corner three, When the goddamn Heat fans was walking out the goddamn arena. Walking out, they had already walked out. Because remember, remember, they had already

started to rope the court off. They were bringing the champagne out for the Spurs to celebrate. Right, right. Because they had just filed. And what happened was mano made one of one made made one miss one and kawai made one miss one so it left it as a three-point ball game and they ended up taking tim duncan out of the ball game so that's why

chris bosh was able to grab the rebound and through all that to be able to hear Ray saying CB CB and Ray gets the ball backpedaling doesn't look down lets it go if he miss it it's over if he misses the shot it's over because you're down three there's not enough time to do anything do anything else

that was clutch you saw how fast you saw his release how fast he released the ball man I mean it's been I mean maybe Buster Douglas knocking That was clutch. You saw his release, how fast he released the ball? Man. I mean, maybe Buster Douglas knocking out Mike Tyson in Japan. Ooh. Mmm. I mean.

That's an iconic moment. Yeah. That changed the direction of Tyson's career, which was still great. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, Malcolm Butler, to make that play, to see it, because we've seen guys like, ooh, get a great jump on the ball,

and what they do, they drop it. Ooh, ooh, ooh, he's like, ooh, and you know, they do it, Ocho, you better do this right here. Ooh, I was this close. That this close. And you know the funny thing about it on that Malcolm Butler play it's about being able to recognize the route recognition or the switch release and most

of the time the receiver always gets there first nine times out of ten and just this one time how you knew it was coming and you beat the receiver to the punch Ocho they should have checked out of it because here's the thing. Once Browner,

once he pressed the inside, you're done. Yeah. He has to be off so he can rub to make him go over. See, the problem was Browner jammed it.

So now, Malcolm Butler can come right now. There's nothing, there's no interference. There's no obstacles in his way. That's why he was able to get there so god damn fast that's it

okay okay okay okay okay so cause the thing is somebody gotta press somebody's gotta play off so Brandon Browner says I'm pressing Malcolm Butler's off so now he stymies it Malcolm Butler goes because he knows

what's coming now he saw ities it. Malcolm Butler goes because he knows what's coming now. He saw it right away. Yes. And see, there's really nothing to hold him because if I'm not mistaken, they motioned Marshawn the other way. So you know it's not a run because there's no back in the backfield. Back in the backfield. See, all of that, okay, no back, no threat of run, boom.

We haven't seen them run the quarterback draw. I'm not worried about it because even if they run the quarterback draw, that's not my responsibility. I got one responsibility. Beat the receiver to the point. Now, check this out. Guess what happens if they run a fade? Ooh.

No. What if he went in and came back out? Yeah. Yeah. Kind of like you see Kansas City did that last year with two routes. Wilt routes. Darius Toney started, go. Sky Moore getting to the other side.

Got him. That would have been nasty. But you know what, Ocho? Why you don't hand it off to Beast Mode in that situation? I think they wanted Russell Wilson to be the hero. It seems like that. Because here's the thing, Ocho. I'm telling you, jump this,

you see this formation, if they run the fade, if they run a speed out, if they run a whip route, that's on me. Yeah. If they catch this ball, that's on you. Right. Anything other than that, I'm going to take it.

I'm going to say what we studied on tape, when we see this alignment, we saw this, this is what they did 100% of the time. If they do something else out of this formation, I'm going to go up there to the podium and say, that's on me. The way we coached them to do, we coached them to do that.

And you got to live with it. You got to live with it, Ocho. You got to live with it. You got to live with Ocho. You got to live with it. You're right. I got one more. I got one more. I'm asking. I want to know what the chat thinks as well, the people that are listening and watching. Can we put Odell's catch with the Giants, the one-hander, that I think eclipses him and makes him somewhat of an icon in today's game.

Well, what happened? It put him on the map. Can that be an iconic moment? It put him on the map. But what was so special? You know they got crushed that game. They got beat by like 25 points. Wait, they lost to the Cowboys that game?

They got the brakes beat off them. You know what? The fact that I don't remember them losing that game because the catch had become really the headlines even though they lost? Yeah, the catch. Because Collinworth said it's the greatest catch he had ever seen. So that is iconic

moment to you then as well. For sure. David Tyree's catch with his helmet. A guy that's a special teamer. Rodney Harrison is one of the better safeties of his era, is pulling. He couldn't get it out.

Couldn't get it out. And they showed the clip. He couldn't catch anything that week. That Friday at practice, the ball beat him up. Right, right. I mean, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. Yeah, and then he makes the most difficult catch of all. And saved him. and saved him he saved him and now we know coach Belichick in a situation like that bomb bliss so now okay all you got to

do Eli do not throw this ball out of bounds he's one-on-one guys play it off I lean him inside because I know I got to protect the inside because I don't want to get... And no. He hit planks. Ball game. That's all she wrote. That's all she wrote. But that was a tremendous...

But they've been so many. Roger Marris... Oh, my God. When he hit the home run in the bottom of the ninth to beat the Yankees. Yo, I'm tripping. Unk, we both play football.

One of the greatest comebacks of all time. Patriots-Falcons, 28-3. We thinking the game is over. But see, for a moment, it's got to be one play. It's got to be one thing. It can't be the game. Okay, one play. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, it's been some um it's too many uh the statue of liberty play when boise state beat oklahoma oh behind the back behind the back thing yeah that was slick i remember that yeah that was real slick Yeah. I didn't even know what the damn ball was. Yeah. Joseph Parker

stuns Deontay Wilder with a unanimous decision. Wilder suffered only his third defeat of his professional career as Joseph Parker earned a unanimous decision victory in the world heavyweight fight in Saudi Arabia. Devin Bell asked,

Ocho, who are your top five boxers today? Keep doing your thing. Ooh, that's a good question. Yeah. Listen, again,

for me, preference, Bud. Got to be, Bud, number one pound, Bud. Jerron Ennis. Okay. I don't know if you, I don't know if you watch Boots. Yeah, be a Bud, number one pounder. Bud. Jerron Ennis.

Okay. I don't know if you watch Boots. Yeah, man. Listen, that's my dog, Boots. I'm not thinking about belts and all that stuff. I ain't thinking about all that, man. I'm talking about that I like styles. For me, I'm flashy.

So I like those type of fighters. Shakur. Shakur. think about all that man i'm talking about that i like styles for me i'm flashy so i i'm i like those type of fighters shakur devin haney uh tank yeah caleb plant you you notice you look at the styles of fighters i'm naming i'm not again people in the chat that also watch boxing i'm not talking about belts and accolades and all that. I'm talking about the types of fighters I like. Canelo's cool, but he's not. He's technically sound, ring IQ.

He's really good defensively, but it's not. I need a little bit more flash to it. No disrespect to him and what he's been able to accomplish, but those I name, that them is like, oh, that that you know what else I learned about boxing, too. You see how I love everybody. Yeah. When it comes to football, you see how I never talk about anybody. For some reason, I have a feeling if you have a fighter that you like, you have to you have to only like that fighter and you really can't like the rest of them. Like you have to feel exactly the way that fighter feels about every other boxer.

And that just don't work with me. I love all the motherfuckers and I have an appreciation for the sweet science and what they do in the ring. And for some reason, I think I'm not supposed to feel like that, which is really weird because I think in the boxing world, it's a little different. You have to be a fan of this fighter, and if you like them, you can't like nobody else. I get that weird feeling a little bit, and I don't like that.

I like Boots. I like Bud. I like Tank. I like Shakur. I like Caleb Plant. I like the flashy, flamboyant type fighters, you know, that get in and get out. Devin Haney, I like that. And you know what else about all those people I just named?

What? I beat their ass. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that because you named so many fighters in the same weight class. Like if you said, okay, I like this heavyweight fighter. I like him at the heavyweight. I like him at the super middleweight. I like him at the light heavy. I like him at the heavyweight. I like him at the super middleweight. I like him at the light heavy.

I like him at the welter. I like him at the junior. You know, it's kind of like in the 80s. I mean, when the four horsemen, when you had Sugar Ray, Duran, Hagler, and Hearns. Okay, if you like Hagler, Hagler was your guy. If you like Hearns, Hearns was your guy.

If you like Duran, Duran was your guy. If you like Sugar Ray, and then you had the fifth guy kind of on the outside was Iran Barkley that's Saquon's uncle so you understand you understand that thing is somewhat almost somewhat like an unwritten rule like if that's your guy

you stick that guy and you can't switch sides like I don't like that like I hope the boxers out there, I hope they see this. I like all y'all. I like all y'all. I'm going to support all y'all. And if y'all want smoke, we can spar.

We can spar if y'all want to go. Like, dude. They hit you in your rib and make you pee on yourself. Man, I whoop all. I whoop all. Man, them boys don't know how to play with me, man. Ocho. I'm out of the city, man.

I don't care nothing about that. I don't care about no belts. Ocho, you got started too late. Ocho, you got started too late. You're not going to see no punches. I ain't get started too late. Man, I've been fighting since 1972. What did you talk about got started too late?

No. I've been using these. I've been using these. Fighting in Liberty City and fighting in that ring. I've been using these, man. I've been the warrior, B. What you talk about, son? Stop playing with my top, B.

Bad look here, Ocho. No, but all jokes aside. No, for real. All jokes aside, I love them dudes. I love them dudes because of their style of fighting. Remain private. That's just entertaining. Remain private ass.

Who you like, Ocho? Tank versus Devin Haney at 140. Now. That's a good one, boy. Ain't no good data when he ask you. He ain't say it was a good fight. That's why he say obviously it was a good fight. All right, let me talk about the logistics of the fight.

Well, the logistics is going to be in Vegas. It's going to be in Vegas. Matter of fact, that could be a $100 million purse because he ain't got to go to Vegas. We could take it to Saudi Arabia. It's something about fights that happen in Vegas. All the biggest fights.

Listen to me now. We could take it to Saudi Arabia for a $100 million purse if you really want to talk. But anyway, listen. Tank versus Haney. They don't need to do it now. They need to continue

to let the hype continue to build. Continue to build. It will be a great fight. It will be a great fight. It will be a great fight. How it's going to go, I'm not sure. What is Devin going to do? He's going to keep him at length. Keep him at length.

But we know Tank. We've all watched Tank fight. Listen, he'll take one or two just to get up in there, and he'll let go. But Devin ain't sitting still. He getting in and getting out. Getting in and getting out. He's defensively sound, great footwork,

as does Tank. I mean, listen, it's a chess match between two great chess players, and when that fight does happen, I can't wait. And then, again, I like both of them.

Who do I root for? Would I like it? I like both of them. That's why I don't like that. If you like this fighter, you can't like no... Nah, man. I'm rooting for Bud. I'm rooting for Tank. I'm both of them. That's why I don't like that. If you like this fighter, you can't like no... Nah, man. I'm rooting for Bud.

I'm rooting for Tenga. I'm rooting for Caleb. I'm rooting for Boots. Hey, what, Boots? Man, let me take my glasses off, boy. Boots? Bud will make him put it right back on. Listen.

Bud will make him put it right back on. Stop playing with it. Hey, listen. Listen, you're trying to stall something. I ain't Listen You see you trying You trying to stall something I ain't trying to stall nothing Hey boots Boots and arrow I mean not arrow

Boots and goddamn bud They toolbox I'm saying they toolbox You know You know how you got tools When it's time to go to work Yeah Boy them boys got a toolbox boy

For sure Boy them boys got a toolbox boy I beat they ass But they got a toolbox I respect them boys. I know they're going to see this, and if they want to fight, they know where to find me. Choose one.

I'm in Philly every Monday. Choose one, Ocho. You got to choose one. You want Blue Seniors or you want Bud? You want Tank or you want Hayden? Don't do that. No, don't do that. You got to choose Ocho.

That's what we do. Don't do that. I just explained to you I love these boys. So let me ask you a question. I just said that. How the hell I get you on ESPN, they ask you to pick the Cowboys and the Bills, and you say I like both of them. That's the problem.

That's not the problem. You know what the problem is? You're an analyst. The problem is you can't handle the truth. It's not about you like both of them. Do you understand what your job is? Do you understand your job? Right. My job. Let me tell you like both of them. Do you understand what your job is? Do you understand your job? Right.

My job. Let me tell you what my job is. I know my job and I know my purpose. My purpose is to enjoy the sweet science and to appreciate. You're not a fan. You're an analyst. Can I finish? Can I finish?

Can I finish? Yes. Let me finish. My job is to appreciate the sweet science. As someone who does it, part-time is a hobby and has submerged himself in it. If I tell you I like two fighters or I like four or I like five, don't ask me who I like between two of them that I enjoy watching. Is that a problem? Yes!

That shouldn't be a problem. You are an analyst! You can like two things and have to pick one. You can like ice cream. You can like hamburgers and pick one over the other. Why can't I eat the hamburger

and the ice cream? Why can't I have the hamburger and the ice cream? Chad, you understand why now? Chad, do you understand why now? Why now what? You understand, Chad. What is the chat saying?

The chat says they understand why Shanna won't bring you on first take. Because you have to pick one or the other. Well, you know what? You know what? I don't want to go on first take no more. I don't want to go. I ain't changing for nobody. I ain't even following the NFL rules, and I ain't changing that. Yes, you did. Yes, you know what? You know what? I don't want to go on first take no more. I don't want to go. I ain't changing for nobody. I ain't even following the NFL rules, and I ain't changing that.

Yes, you did. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. That's fine. Let me ask you a question. I ain't going. Let me ask you a question.

I ain't going. I like Bud, and I like Bud. If you didn't follow the NFL rules, why did you wear home jersey or weight? Why did you wear weight jerseys at home if you didn't follow the rules? Because they wouldn't give me – stop playing. Exactly. You did follow the rules. You know what I'm talking about. you didn't follow the rules. Because they wouldn't give me stop paying. Exactly. You did follow the rules. Yeah, you did.

They took all my little change. Let me ask you a question. If you ain't follow the rules, why you ain't lining up off sides? Why you ain't running stuff like Canada? You know, in Canada, you can get the most. You get a pretty good... Ocho. Ocho. Here's the thing, Ocho. Ocho. Ocho. Listen, I'm just telling you what this chant's saying.

Ocho. I don't care about the chant. Ocho, but you should care. This is how we make. Lord, have mercy. Hey, you think I've been one way, right? Listen to me. I've been one way always.

I've always been one way, right? Listen to me. I've been one way always. I've always been one way. You want to know why we are, where we are, where we at? Because I'm remaining my true authentic self when you trying to get me to change and I'm never going to change. Oh, Joe.

That's why this is going to work. I'm never changing, so stop asking me. I like both and I like boots and it's going to stay like that. I don't care what the fuck the chat say. Simone Biles, husband, old surf, old tweets resurface. Jonathan, Jonathan Owens, who didn't know anything about about Simone Biles.

In 2012 said, damn, Gabby is good, which means he knows something about gymnastics. Gabby with the goal. Gabby just need to get her bottom teeth fixed and then her smile would be cool. Hmm. Why is there an Asian coach coaching the U.S. girls? So let me get this straight. You know who Gabby Douglas is and outside of Mary Lou

Retton, the only American gymnast that can rival Simone Biles is Mary Lou Retton. Not Gabby Douglas. Not Nastia Lukens. Not any of them. Not Dominique Mochiano. Not

Dominique Dawes. Not, what's the little one, Carrie Strug. None of them can command the presence other than Mary Lou, who won the olympics on american soil in 1984 and she was on everything i'm old enough to remember that was probably a little bit before your time mojo but i remember it i know you talk about though i know you talk

about yeah simone and and mary lou are the most popular american gymnasts. Now, you talking about that Gabby Douglas and the nickname of the fine squirrel. I know all the things they said about her hair. She didn't get her hair straightened and she didn't do this. And I get all that. I remember it. But you know who Gabby Douglas is. But you mean to tell me you didn't have no idea who Simone Biles

was, bro? Well, maybe he didn't. What if he is... I'm just saying. Does he actually watch gymnastics? Probably not. Maybe he saw something on TV. Maybe he saw an interview or something.

If he's not watching, how does he know Gabby Douglas was good? How does he know she wanted to go if he's not watching? Right, right, right. It's not a rhetorical right. I'm just saying, it's not a rhetorical question. I'm just asking. Yeah, that's

funny. One thing about Twitter is they will pull up them receipts. So you got to watch what you're saying. If you said something in the past, you got to stay. You got to stay in line and stay in tune with what you said because as soon as you flip the script, they're going to hit you back. But is this you? Well, what you got to do is stop lying if you stop trying if you stop trying

to make yourself more than what you are right right oh i'm what i am it's the same thing look at serena williams husband that guy's a billionaire alex oron i think that's his name isn't that how do you pronounce his last name? Oh, honey? Okay. Ready. Billionaire. That's Serena's husband. He's worth a billion. Serena's more famous than he is, even though she doesn't have the money.

So you thought you were the catch. And even if you even heard the thing, and even if you were the catch, why would you say that to your wife? What if they were just playing? What if they were just playing? What if they were just playing? What if that's the way they jostle around and play around? Real know how you play, Roger. Yeah, that's me. My personality, yeah. And you know how Real play.

Yeah. But I'm saying, look, there's certain things because now you make it seem like she was thirsty. Or I ain't know who she was. She hit me oh i see i see you i see you going with it i see i see you going with it you know what that's funny uh you think people are maybe overreacting a little bit if they play like that and it's okay and understanding the delivery and what he's trying to say i and everybody else is taking it wrong you think where you think are we overreacting on our end when they think think about it differently or no i think the thing is is that she was a really good sport because i think she knows

how it's going to come off i don't think he understood and that's the thing you have to understand and and and and look i'm happy for them i'm happy for her, I'm happy for him she had this at the last Olympics she was dealing with some things and I hope she can bounce back she's as good as gymnast as I've ever seen and I go back to

a long ways watching the Russians and the Chinese and the Romanians well the Romanians. Well, the Bulgarians before the Soviet bloc, I mean, you know, Russia had everything because they had this big ass country and you understood why they was winning all these damn medals because they had

all these countries rolled up into one. But it's just I just, like I said, hey, like you said, Ocho, that's their house. Maybe they play like that. I don't think. I don't think.

And it doesn't matter. You know what? It doesn't matter what we think. But I'm always mindful. Even if I play a certain way, when I'm in public, I don't play like that. Okay. Okay. I think that's the funny thing about it. When you bring

your relationship and your, your, your dynamic on how you guys operate on how you guys are playful, then it opens up Pandora's box based on how you guys operate and everybody else on the outside really doesn't understand that. And so I think that's where we are right now. Maybe they understand it. Maybe they play like that. Maybe they operate in that manner. But then it's viewed publicly a different way because we dive deep into it. Right. Based on the context we had to go off of, based on the dialogue and what you said. I'll give you an example.

You and I in the locker room, we in the barbershop, we with the boys. I tell that story. Man, she was out hustling the hell out your boy. I know she wanted your boy because she's blowing my box up. You thought I had a page of the way that thing was going on my team. I'm like, nah, okay, you

want your boy like that? That's the story I tell. That's for us. That's never going to leave. I'm never going to put that in the air. But, like I said, that's for us. That's never going to leave. I'm never going to put that in the air. But, like I said, that's their relationship. I wish them the best going forward. I'm happy for her. I wanted to go to Paris and get

that gold medal this year and bring that thing home. I'm sure he's happy for her. Hopefully, I don't know because I think it starts like July 26th and I think it goes to like April, August 14th, 15th. It's about three weeks. I don't know.

He's probably going to have to watch that thing from television. I don't know if the Packers are going to give him that kind of time off because that's such a long way to go and to get back. Maybe if it was in LA because that's where he's going to be in 26. No, excuse me, 28. That's where he's going to be in 26. No, excuse me, 28. That's where it's going to be in 28 here in L.A.

Even going to be more crowded. I can't even imagine getting on the 405 or the 10 or the 110, but okay. But hopefully, congratulations. I hope you have a long, prosperous, healthy marriage, and I wish you nothing but the best. So take off. He said, Zach says, I've been married for 10 years. Trust me, this has planted seeds.

It will take work. It will take work to uproot. Love y'all both. Also, there was they asked. They said list of professional people you wouldn't date list of professional people you wouldn't date um the list number one only fans model all right that's not fair i used to be i i used to do only fans but go ahead military men why military men and women

get such a bad rap man can you explain that to me it's a running joke on twitter I think the thing is because you know one thing about a military man he gonna be structured it's all about time they love punctuality

yeah but I ain't talking about I ain't talking about that part I ain't talking about that kind of running joke what but I'm just saying probably I ain't talking about that part I ain't talking about that kind of running joke what but I'm just saying probably what they make they make time for others

oh yeah well you what they got they got they got structure for other people well here's the thing though Ocho you gotta realize

as a military man I'm only in an area a certain amount of time I might be in San Diego I might be in Norfolk I might be in over here I might be over there okay I might be in Guam I might be in Puerto Rico I might be in Japan I might be in San Diego. I might be in Norfolk. I might be in over here. I might be over there. Okay.

I might be in Guam. I might be in Puerto Rico. I might be in Japan. Right. So, I mean, there, oh,

all I know, during the, the Vietnam War, there were a lot more black children. Right. That came back than when it was when we went over, before we got over there.

I'm just saying. And so you go to Puerto Rico and you go to Guam you get what I'm saying. Right. We on the same page. I think that accounts up to do it. And then they had an IG administrator, a lawyer, a pilot, firefighter, police,

psychologist, gynecologist. Gynecologist? What's wrong with the gynecologists? What I want to know A football player They got football players You know they lie You know they want to

They're a football player I don't know why we on there Ain't no reason we should be on there But the good devil is a lie Yeah And guess That was top 10 Number 11

A prostitute Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa How you name the prostitute? I've tried to figure that out Time out Time out I have a question Yes

Hopefully I got an answer Do me a favor Do me a favor real quick Yeah While we on the The word prostitute, right? Yeah Okay, I'm going to stop right there

Real quick Read my bio Read my bio to me real quick For the chat My bio on Twitter my bio to me real quick for the chat. My bio on Twitter. Read it for me. Just to give you a better context.

I hate the word prostitute. I hate it to death. But read my bio on Twitter real quick for the chat. Okay. Chat, listen real close. Listen real close. With an open mind. Send me his link.

I want you to tell me what you think about this when you think about it. When you read it. Chad, tell me what you think, man. With an open mind. Are you verified? Yeah, put Chad Johnson. Don't put Ocho Cinco. I put Chad Johnson because I saw a girl that had your name and she blew checkmark.

I said, well, how the hell did she get Ocho Seco? No, I think that's me. Because my avatar is a Columbo. A black Columbo. Huh? Okay, hold on. Okay, so McDonald's is cheaper than therapy. You got to read it to the chat so they can hear you. Hold on. McDonald's is cheaper than therapy. You got to read it to the chat so they can hear you.

Hold on. McDonald's is cheaper than therapy. Never forget you're paying for sex indirectly, but word relationship changes the narrative. Is that what we're going for? Yeah, that's where we're going now. Listen to it again. Yeah.

I mean, I like to think I can read. All right. Rel just donated $50 and said, all men I deployed with were who were married cheated. Who said that? Rel. Rel said she was in the military. Was Rel in the military?

Yeah, but Rel, Rel, well, Rel a trooper, boy. And she know how to work that fire. Mm-hmm. Yeah, she can shoot. We done been to the gun range. I lost twice. Wait, oh, wait. She donated how much?

$50. What the hell we gonna do with that? We gonna spin it. Influencer is number 12, a politician, a truck driver. Politician? Yeah, a teacher, a politician, a truck driver. Politician? Yeah, a teacher, a model, a carpenter. And this is what I didn't know was an occupation or a profession.

A Florida man. I like, how the hell is that a profession? A Florida man. Who added that on there? It's the 18th hey that's funny but y'all know y'all be y'all florida be on some bull jive if you go in the course of a day if you look at the 10 most outrageous ridiculous stories six up from

florida six up you know it's just funny if you look at all occupations if you look at all occupations here that really takes away any and everybody out of the dating game. You can't date no goddamn body based on this list. You're right. That's ridiculous. I think for some of the people on this list, it takes a very strong person to date an OnlyFans model, a very secure man, whether it be woman or man, either way. I don't know here, but I'm an OnlyFan now. That's what I be saying. She might have had a boy, but I be a guy.

I like that. Look, they got teachers. What's wrong with teachers? I don't know. Models? Yeah. A carpenter? What's wrong with a carpenter? You know what it's like

to have a man that lives in the house that can do handiwork? That's a plus. I can do handiwork but not the kind you thinking. You know what I'm saying? I do handiwork. I'm doing my hair. Mm-hmm. I mean, look, come on, bro.

I mean, they're just putting stuff up here. Look, I understand that occupation like a police officer puts his life or her life on the line. You kiss them, you're right. You kiss them, they leave and you don't know. You just pray and hope.

Firefighter, you're running. You run in while other people are trying to run out. I get that. But man, come on, man. A truck driver, that's a hard-working that. But, man, come on, man. A truck driver, that's a hardworking man. But they always on the road now. I done heard about the truck drivers in the glory hole on the roads now.

Yeah. I done heard the stories. So we know how that works. Well, this is the list of people. So I'm trying to figure out what y'all want to date. Next time, y'all need to come up with a list of what y'all would date. A list of people that you can date. Because y'all got all this up here. Y'all ain't dating nobody.

Ain't cheating. Boy, that's crazy. Y'all, that's crazy. That's really goddamn everybody. Oh, I ain't going to date no prostitute. She ain't going to date you. She ain't going to let you mess with her, hustle. What are you talking about, bro?

Listen, what is the definition of prostitution? let you mess up my hustle? What are you talking about, bro? What is the definition of prostitution? Getting money in exchange for what? Sex. What was the last sentence of my goddamn tweet? My bio. You say they pay

money, but y'all call it relationship. What's the difference? Listen to it. Look, McDonald's is cheaper than therapy. Never forget, you're paying for sex indirectly, but the word relationship changes the narrative. Well, some of them charging too much then. They didn't cut the price. I'm just saying, you see how words move the goalposts depending on

the word you use? It makes no sense. I could be wrong or I might be overthinking. Psychologist? Like I said, I ain't gonna look here. Psychologist and therapist, that's under the same umbrella or no?

Yeah, pretty much it's rough that's it's rough for everybody but you know what it seems like a lot i guess i guess because you look at the only fans that's men military with men that's women ig administrator that could be either way a lawyer i mean i mean a woman don't want a lawyer i thought they like you know someone that's dressing up every day and going and arguing in front of court and winning these big settlements and all that bring on that bread i mean if you're a man you want somebody i mean oh i want someone educated i want somebody yada yada y you know? So I'm just trying

to figure that out. A police officer, we already got to the pilots. They're on the road also. And I saw that Denzel movie. So, you know, we... Flight? Yeah. But Flight was good, man. Great. That was a good movie.

A football player? What role a football player? I don't know what they're talking about. I don't even know why that's in there. I don't even know why that's in there. Because football players are great men. They are good men. Good. Good men.

Not only are they good men. Yeah. Good in the community. Yeah. Most of the players got foundations. What? I mean, think about how many Walter Payton men of the year. Yeah.

And what they do in the community. Raise hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars for their charity. A politician. Okay, I'm a little politician because they lie. Yeah. Listen, you can't be a politician

unless you lie. Exactly. You got to be the greatest politicians lie because you have to do one thing. In order to get the vote, you have to promise us. Promise stuff that you would never deliver. You have to promise stuff.

You have to promise the people things that will never, ever happen. And you have to make us believe it. The greatest politicians are great at that. Yeah, lie. making empty promises that are never going to come yeah come to life i i i agree one thousand percent with you ocho you ain't i'm michael cassin founder and ceo of 3c ventures and your guide on good company the podcast where i sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation

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I didn't even curse. Yep. I agree. I didn't even curse. Yeah, you can curse. I'm just going. When? I've been controlled

we finna keep a count on it chat keep a count on it y'all good at counting I didn't curse the whole show today I ain't even cursed I'm gonna let them handle that I got other stuff to do I gotta get us in and out of conversations I gotta read these topics

so I'm gonna let the chat handle that Faith who's one of our most trusted and loyal followers. Faith been here from the junk. She's a mod. Hi, Shannon. My amigo Ocho. Even when you go to

McDonald's, you choose a side. I believe if you read The Art of War, you'll learn how to craft an argument without drawing blood from your brothers. You got this, Ocho. Yeah. Art of War. I like that book.

Actually, Art of War is sitting over here on my bookshelf. Hey, you ain't read it. What? That's Mr. Gladwell, ain't it? That's Sun Tzu. Nah, Art of War. That's Mr. Gladwell. Hold up. Or am I tripping?

You tripping. And Art of War, Mr. Gladwell. No! What the hell you talking about? It's one of the most quoted, it's one of the most quoted books. If you're a football player, if you do anything about competition. I thought it was Malcolm Gladwell.

I'm looking. No, I don't know. I might be wrong. I don't want to get up. No, you're absolutely wrong. I don't know a whole lot of authors, but I know who that was by. I got that book.

Listen, Malcolm Gladwell, Robert Greene, and it's one more. I got a bunch of them over there, but okay, that's enough. I got a bunch of them over there but I like what she said I like what she said oh the art of war no no no

I don't have that one that's a great book you know Malcolm Gladwell you know what I'm talking about right that's a great book Ocho I gotta get that baby for Christmas give me the Art of War, please. Just read it.

It's a long book, but it has some great... It's about fighting. It's about knowing when to fight, knowing when to retreat. It's about knowing how to do a lot of things. Get in and get out. Right. That underscore one underscore operator. Ocho and Unk what's the most you you have have to spend on a date with a female I mean you know I mean I'm in

a different place now Ocho I mean yeah when I told a story in the beginning I was a rookie I ain't had bread like that I got bread now. I'm secure as hope. When she tried to get that lobster? Yeah. Yeah. You know, I was looking to, you know, I was looking to crack me a couple of legs like Hunter Dunn did. That's what I was going to do.

And see if all the King Heart men can put them back together again. But I ain't got nothing to do with that was long long time ago 30 years ago i don't even i don't even behave in that now uh nikki grant i think nikki's been one of our is one of ours also and she she's been here from the jump nikki good people nikki make sure we get your question. I ask this question to you guys, to every guy I know. So I'm going to ask y'all, what's the sexiest thing a woman can do for you? It depends on the guy.

Because every guy is different. Every guy is different. Don't be buying no lingerie. I don't need that. Don't go to La Perla. I mean, Frederick's a Hollywood. I mean, that's nice. Victor, Vicky's secret.

Don't even go to a cousin, Susan's secret. No. I want you to come into that room, a t-shirt, and go back in there. That's all I need. That's it. That's it. Listen, for me, I am. That ain't going to last but two.

How long you think that stuff gonna stay on I mean honestly come on chat y'all women and I ain't got no problem with that I understand that you want to

you want to look good for your man you want to feel sexy for your man I get all that the only thing I'm thinking I'm in my head I'm just counting

one because I need to leave it on for at least three minutes so she feel good so she ain't just wasting money so I'm in my head. I'm just counting. One, because I need to leave it on for at least three minutes so she feel good so she ain't just waste the money. So I'm counting. She's on three, four. Ooh, God. Ooh, girl.

Yeah. Sick. God damn. Ooh, girl. You did it for your boy this time, baby. You got to fake it, huh? I didn't know. Yeah.

All I'm doing is counting. I'm just trying to make it to three minutes. Yeah. Because the nationality, as soon as she walked in the room, I would attempt to tear it apart for her. I'm just being real with it. Now, I don't know. I'm just speaking for me.

Now, some men might want their woman to have on a different outfit, you know, black. I mean, hey, okay. But for me, honestly, hey, I just need just hey now don't hey I do like some sexy underwear I'm talking about look here Ocho

Ocho I ain't talking about the underwear I gotta hook my hands in like the head to pull them down I'm talking about

the one I put my thumbs in to get them up right right you know you got the one hold on I can't hey you you got

Ocho you know the one you gotta hook your hands up all four of these fingers and try to get them up. Just to get it down? No. I need them when I get the thumbs. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what? I'm pretty simple when it comes to that. Real, real really doesn't like this. I like when the hair is messy. I love when the hair is messy and all over the place. She doesn't like that. To me, that is sexy to me. When you have a bonnet on, it's weird.

I don't know where it comes from, but I have a fascination for her when she has a bonnet on or she has her hair wrapped up. That is sexy to me. I'm a her-rapper. One thing I always ask, one thing I always ask, and I've ended relationships for this. Always have your feet and nails done. Always have your feet and nails done. Always have your feet and nails done. I don't care about nothing else. Ain't no excuse for a woman

not to have her feet and hands done. I don't care about nothing else. I have my favorite colors. And real notice, OPI Funny Bunny, OPI Essie Blanc. Those are my colors. If you want to go cotton candy,

I love that too. Because of your complexion, you know it would look good as well. You know, dark colors because it bounce well off the complexion based on what you're wearing. I can go into detail about this. You're doing too much, Ojo. I really love that too. Because of your complexion, you know it would look good as well. You know it's dark colors because it bounce well off the complexion based on what you're wearing.

I can go into detail about this. You're doing too much, Ocho. I ain't gonna lie. I got my bad. Hey, when you come in there and you naked and I see them high quarters, I go blind.

I don't even know if you got arms or not. I don't know if you got feet or nothing. Listen, I don't play about that. Me either. Listen, them feet and nails and just a tank top. That's it. I don't know if you got feet or nothing. Listen, I don't play about that. Me either. But listen, them feet and nails and just a tank top. That's it.

I don't need all the underwear and like Fredericks and the curious chicken. And I ain't trying to hear all that. Yeah, I mean, look, at my age, Elcho, at you, at my age, Elcho, I done seen all the crotchless, you know, the onesies and all that stuff. And it's nice. Don't get me wrong. Right. Oh, she ain't ready. She ain't ready regardless.

Right, right, right. You coming in with a straw hat. You coming in with a blue jean. Hey, you coming in with a flip-flop. Oh, it's going down regardless. I don't need all... Hey, what kind of hat? A straw hat. Hey, you have a toothpick in your mouth all I care.

Hey. That's funny. Hey, at that point, Thabo Joe. That's funny. Your name could be Rosalie. I don't care about no name. Nothing. What it do, baby?

What it do? Clock in. You made that? That's funny. Listen, I don't want to come off as like I'm ungrateful because I appreciate her trying to. Right. I want Shannon to know that I appreciate him

and I took my time to go pick this out. I think this is his favorite color I think he's gonna really really like this and I am I'm don't get me wrong but that ain't that's why you got to know your man you got to know who you're dealing with that's very very important you got to know who you're dealing with because what someone else would like the person you with might not like it one time what you did what you did in your past relationship the next person might not like it i have they i think they call it love languages yeah you got to know that individual love language link oh my goodness love language yes you know you'd be on the same page if you're on if you're on the same

page y'all get to turn each page together yeah Yeah, but one time. Now, you can do it one time, but that ain't no normal occurrence. Every time... Oh, that was Ocho. Every time we out of town, we go somewhere, or we go and you're changing, I'm like, I'm on the clock. Oh, I can't be standing

until midnight, no one o'clock, waiting on you to press it all. Hey, come on. You come up by the gym for all I care with you. I'm with it. Right, right, right, right. Ah, that's loud. So, Nikki, I hope the sexiest thing a woman can do for me

is say, come on, baby. When she say, come on, baby, I'm with it. You know what time it is. Where you at, Real? Send us some money. She sent us $50. Baby, send us $1,000 real quick. If you love me, if you us $50. Baby, send us $1,000 real quick. If you love me, if you really love me, baby,

send us $1,000. God dang, Ocho. Send us $1,000. Earl Caldwell said, Ocho and Un, how did, do y'all deal with failures and disappointment?

I had a golden opportunity. Everything laid out and messed it up. I know what that feel like. You heard me? You heard me? that golden opportunity, everything laid out and messed it up. Hmm. I know what that feel like. You heard me? You heard me? Yeah. I know what that feel like.

Oh, yeah. Go ahead. Failure. Hold on. Failure and messing up? Boy. Go back.

Went right back to the drawing board. Right back to the drawing board. I ain't hang my head. Went back to the drawing board. Put together to the drawing board. I ain't hang my head. Went back to the drawing board. Put together a plan, a six-month plan on what I want to do. And continue to chop and chop and chop and chop until I hit that goal. And I had to start small in small increments. I had to start small in small increments and go from there.

Because it was building blocks for me to get back to where i fell from and it took time so i started small and then gradually as i started to have success in small areas i started to make those goals a little bit bigger and continue to reach them over and over and over and, it's a tedious process too. All we need is a little discipline. It is, Ocho. I look at it like this. There are really no failures.

There are just delayed successes. Boy, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You ain't finna give me that good gym. I ain't gonna write that down. There are delayed successes. There are lessons learned. You see see the thing is Ocho is that I'm a firm believer you never judge a man by where he's standing because you don't know how far he's come see you look at the man that's laying on the street but how about what if he was under the bridge just yesterday so you judge a man by where he's standing, not knowing where he came from.

You see, a lot of people say, well, Shannon, it's easy for you to say that because you this, but you didn't see from 1968 to 1988. See, that's what you didn't see. And you didn't see Shannon go to bed hungry. And you didn't see Shannon not take a bath. And you didn't see Shannon get rained on. And you didn't see his granny crying

asking what am I going to pay for today? Do I keep the lights on so you can do your homework or do I keep the phone connected so we can call somebody if there's an emergency? What am I going to do this month? So while you judging me for what I

am now, do you know where I came from? Then did you know how long it took me to get here? See, all you see is my successes, but you didn't see the delayed opportunities that was missed. Cry to many a night. A lot of people pray. This is not about me because I know my sister prayed. I know my grandmother prayed

and they're praying and God heard prayer that I didn't even know he was listening to. For me to know what my grandma, my grandmother raised her nine and took my mom three

and I put it on everything. She loves us, her three grands, more than she did her own. It's something for somebody to take somebody else's kids and love them as they're your own. So for me, there are no failures.

The Broncos didn't want to resign me. The Ravens cut me. CBS cut me. Fox cut me. That ain't going to stop me because I know God got something bigger. They close one door. There's another door open. Sometimes he'll make you move because you know what?

You weren't going to do it on your own. He said, you know what you need? I've been trying to tell you to leave, but you wouldn't leave. So guess what? I'm going to give you no choice. Not what you're going to do. Come on now. Come on, preacher.

So for me, ain't no failure. I'm a huge success. I left Glenville, Georgia. Population 3,500 when I was there. 1,000 square foot cinder block. 10 roof. No family. 1,000 square feet sometime, 10 people at a time. a thousand square foot cinder block ten roof no panel a thousand square feet sometime

ten people at a time no endo plumbing no running water and to get here man please cause I already know I know God will never leave me cause I know he didn't bring me this far just to bring me this far

he gonna take me all the way home. And no matter what they say, they can't stop it. Progress must progress. So whatever they say about me, he loud, he this, he that. Y'all can't stop it because what's for me, I'm going to get. Regardless of what they say, regardless of how many times they use my name. No matter how many times they say they don't like me, it does not matter.

Because I've got a higher purpose. Because I know there's one man. I don't know how many women. I don't know how many men. But I know there's one man that knows what's in here. So all that other stuff they be talking on, Joe.

All them facts. See, everybody see the successes. there's one man that knows what's in here. Yeah. So all that other stuff they be talking on Joe, all them. See, everybody see the successes. Everybody see what man, look at man. He, uh, seventh round draft pick,

you know, with the pro bowls and had all the records. Cause when I left the game, I had all the records of the tight end, most yards in a game, most yards for a career, most catches, most touchdowns,

had it all. Three Super Bowls, had it all, and a gold jacket. But you didn't see all the times that I came up short. But that wasn't going

to stop me because I saw a bigger purpose because I laid next to my grandma until I was 15 years old and I saw her cry many a night.

I saw her pray many a night and I saw her pray many a night. And I had no idea what she was praying for. But I believe right now she was saying, Lord, take care of that baby boy. He can be something. So that's what she prayed for. So that's my purpose. So they do all that talking they want.

All that gossiping, they do all that they want. I know me. And I don't all that. They want, I know me and the, I don't care about the people that don't know me. I don't love me. All I need is the people that I care about to care about me. All that other stuff. Oh, Joe don't matter.

Yeah, it don't matter. We spend too much time. If you really understood how little people actually thought of you, you give less than a damn what they actually thought about you. Because they don't care about you. You worried about somebody that don't care about you. I worry about the people that care about me. That's

what I care about. All that other stuff, Ocho, we need to cut that out. All that gossiping, I don't talk about nobody. Live your life. Because whatever you do, don't take money out of my pocket. So why I care? I ain't got time to gossip.

Talk about you for what? Because you don't move the needle for me. You not put no money in my pocket talking about you. Why would I talk about somebody when God has blessed me tenfold more than he ever should have? Right.

I hadn't been this good, but I've done something right in my life for him to continuously bless me. That's all I care about. There are no failures. Just look, delayed successes. That's how you have to look at life. Maybe you didn't get the woman you like. Maybe you didn't get the job you like. Maybe you didn't get the man you like. Maybe you didn't get the job you like. Maybe you didn't get the man you like. Maybe you didn't get the promotion you should like. But keep fighting. Keep hanging on. It's coming.

It's coming. My grandfather used to always say, boy, sunshine follows rain. Even Noah, it rained 40 days and 40 nights. But guess what, Ocho? The sun came out on the 31st day. That's something I always believe. No matter how stormy it get, the waters will be calm soon. So no matter how rocky my road is, it's smooth sailing ahead soon, Ocho.

I believe that. Yeah. I'm sorry for the rant, guys. I'm sorry. That was good. That was good. That was good. Listen, I appreciate that. Yeah. I'm sorry for the red, guys. I'm sorry. That was good. That was good. That was good. Listen, I appreciate that sermon.

Real. Real, did she send us some money? No. She said she broke. She said she bought you a gift, and she said she ain't. Hey. She said that's all she got. As a matter of fact, you ain't getting nothing for your birthday

because you went all out for this criminal gift. She. Lady Ray, who's also been one of our loyal listeners, Shannon Ocho, if you could change or get rid of one NFL rule, what would it be and why? Amazing show as always, guys. Man. That's a good question.

What rule would you get rid of? I don't even know. Ocho, I would say the uniform rule, but you know how we are, Ocho. What's wrong with the uniform? Because I'm saying, you know, let the guy, my college coach said, I can't let y'all go. He said, because y'all will come out here like an all-tournament team. You're going to have on ponies.

You're going to have on Nikes. You're going to have on Adidas. I know what you mean we gotta have a uniform rule because we already see guys now ocho some of them come out there with socks somebody got orange and blue socks somebody got all white socks somebody got tight so right y'all kill me you know what ocho as much as the as much as the rules, they've legislated the intimidation. They've legislated a lot of the physicality out of the game of football. I think it's good.

We're at a different place. Because when you know better, you do better. We know some of the hits and the punishment the guys were taking was leading to injuries. Now, you play an inherently dangerous game. That's what football is. Look, you can only make the car so safe. But after you get to a certain speed, still, things are going to happen, Ocho. Happen, yeah.

You got big men running into bigger men at a high rate of speed. Rate of speed. The dimensions of the field hadn't changed. I mean, look, I get it. They don't let you do the wedge anymore, Ocho. I think they still had the wedge when you got in, where we have three in the wedge weighing 1,000 pounds. You get two of your biggest defensive linemen and one offensive lineman,

and they hold hand, and they come in and they try to wipe everything out. They did away with that. The running start on the kickoff. I used to get 10, 15 yards, go full speed. But I think celebration. As long as the guys didn't do anything that was sexually insinuated or they didn't do anything that was violent related, you know, the phone slash and all the stuff. The celebration.

Let them celebrate. Now, I ain't going to let you bring no phone because you already know, if you let people celebrate to the extent that they wanted to, somebody calling an Uber. Somebody going to have a pizza or a burger delivered. Ocho, you know they would. I'm waiting.

I'm just waiting for somebody to have a burger, go to the side, and grab the bag, and start eating a burger right there on the side of the field. I'm trying to think of a rule, a rule I would change. Because, I mean, the rules are so lenient now as opposed to when I was playing. I mean, they out there celebrating. They doing group celebrations.

They hitting the temptations routine on the field. They doing the roller. Because back then, we couldn't celebrate. You couldn't celebrate as a team. You had to do it individually. Because once somebody, hey, man, back up. Hold on. Bro, you about to get me 5,000. Back up. Back up. Yeah. I mean, I just...

Oh, man. I don't know. I like the way football was played during our era, you know? It was football. There was a certain intimidating factor that defenders were able to impose on offensive players. And with that being gone, I think everybody's a lot more comfortable and relaxed. We're just doing anything out there. Like the one hand catches. Oh yeah.

Well, you know that because the rules, Ocho, you were, Hey man, you wasn't going to be parading over the middle of the field like that. You might've did it one time, but I bet you wouldn't bring your ass back.

I'm okay. I'm catching and making a business decision. Just like Isaac Bruce and Tori Hope and Marvin Harrison. Who would have come up? I'm catching and getting down. Hey, just like Isaac Bruce and Torrey Holt and Marvin Harrison. I'm catching and getting down. Hey, I had a pillow. Hey, they kept a pillow. As soon as they caught that ball over the middle, they sleep. Business decision.

You got to. Every time. You can't tell. All those guys, I mean, you see Marvin ain't no size now, so you can imagine. I mean, and what he has now, that's kind of like old age weight. I mean, you see Marvin ain't no size now. So you can imagine. I mean, and that's what he has now. That's kind of like old age weight. I mean, you know, he's in his 40s now.

That ain't no, that ain't no. Yeah, he close to be probably about 48. I think Marvin came out in 90s. Marvin was in that 96 draft with Keyshawn and Musa Muhammad and all those guys. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm okay. I'm okay with that. Yeah, I get frustrated

because I think some of the stuff that they call it is that like when you call stuff like the receiver, like Armand St. Brown got hit, man, you charge that man $43,000 for that? That ain't no $43,000 hit.

Coming down and just butting up on the safety. That ain't no $43,000 hit. J Smart got asked. Somebody landed in their pockets $43,000 hit. J Smart got asked. Somebody landed in their pockets. Go ahead. Okay, J Smart got asked, if you were ever in a situation

where Ray Lewis hit you, like he hit Ocho, how would you react? The way I did when I got up from the whooping? Yes. You don't even remember that. You talk about,

I hit somebody. Hey, man, look here, man. When you outweighed, you got to catch them. You can never let a guy bigger than you see you coming. I tried to catch him. He wasn't even looking. It ain't work.

Listen, the laws of physics are undefeated. Now, in that case, I should have won. But I tripped over my shoestring, and it caused me to lose leverage. So when you have no leverage and I have no base up under me, that's what made me fall. A Volkswagen bug going to lose against a dump truck every time. Every time. Every time. You ain't a lie.

Bingo said, love the show, guys. Ocho, when you and T.O. going to come out of retirement and help Mahomes reach the Super Bowl? Oh, don't tempt T.O. T.O. be a T.O. What they play at tomorrow? They play in Kansas City? Because if they do, T.O. be on the plane right now. Boy, T.O. in shape, too, boy.

Mess around and put T.O. on that team in the slot. And watch what happens. T.O. said, T.O. said, T.O. said, hey, hey. He said, hey. He said, Sean, man, I ain't going to give you no fidgets now, but I'll give you 15 good ones. I said, man.

Hey, I ain't going to lie. I said, T.O., I didn't want after like my mind, because you know, like I said, when CBS called and I met with them, that was the first time in my life I actually thought about doing something else other than playing football. It changed me because that's why they say you got to be careful talking about retirement, because if you're not careful, you retire yourself prematurely. Yeah. And so that was really the first time that I thought about something.

And then afterwards, man, I was like that thing for like two, but two were like, they go to training camp. I saw them. I could, I had a photo shoot the day they left to go to training camp. So I was having a photo shoot the next day.

So I went by and saw the guys and everybody happened to see me. And Mikey, we told him, he said, hey, 84, I know you're in shape. So if you ever change your mind, we got a spot for you. I said, Mike, I appreciate that, Mike. I said, but my mind is elsewhere now. You were checked out already. I was already checked out.

And so, man, and I told you, I said, T.O., bro, you ain't took no lick. Even though it's not as physical as it was when you left. I said, but you ain't took no lick. You ain't took no lick. T. damn, they're bigger than all them boys right now, man. All the linebackers undersized. They move sideline to sideline. It ain't really, I don't know.

The physical aspect of the game is gone to where that don't even count no more. You can't even say that. Ocho, just people falling on you. Sometimes, Ocho, you know, sometimes guys falling on you. It wasn't a hit. The guy just 250, 60, 70, 80 pound guy

just landing on you. Hey, just falling on you. Come on, bro. You ain't have to fall. Come on, man. You could have just touched me down. Man, they jump on you your heart. Come on, bro. You ain't have to follow. Come on, man. You could have just touched me down. Man, they jump on you and everything. Come on, bro. Ain't even necessary. That's a good one.

Prometheus, 1906, donated $100. Ocho and Unc, could you fellas wish my dad a Merry Christmas? He's currently deployed and watches every one of your episodes. Our family laugh and joke about you guys on the daily. It would mean a lot. Bro, I don't know your dad. I wish you'd put about you guys on the daily. It would mean a lot. Bro,

I don't know you, Dad. I wish you'd put his name in here because he's deployed. We want to thank him for his service, and we want to thank all of our military men and women for their service to keep this country because you allow us to do what we do because you do what you do

domestically and abroad. So thank you for your service, sir. And wish you a Merry Christmas and a very happy New Year. I mean, look, he said wish him a Merry Christmas because another time we have to be politically correct. We couldn't say Merry Christmas. We got to say Happy Holidays. Well, when somebody said wish my dad

a Merry Christmas, I'm going to wish his dad a Merry Christmas because that's the way he presented to me. So Prometheus1906, thank you. Your dad, Merry Christmas and tell him thank him for his service. Apache Hall, could you wish my grandma Gloria a happy 72nd

and 28th birthday? Can we sing happy birthday or are we going to get a free reflect? No, no. Happy birthday. So happy birthday, Granny. Happy 77th birthday of Grandma Gloria.

Happy birthday and many, many more to come. Hopefully you, I don't know what you wanted for your birthday, but people ask me, say, what you want

for your birthday? I say, I want God to open my eyes. After that, I'll take anything else. Ben Shannon, what you most looking forward to? Tomorrow. I don't know about the rest of y'all, but that's what I'm looking forward to.

ArrelAC said, hey Ocho, the greatest rock runner ever and the greatest ever of my life, my wife's birthday is today. Can you wish her a happy birthday? We watch every night. Happy birthday. Happy birthday.

We don't know how old you are. We don't know your name, but happy birthday. Happy birthday. My bad. Sorry. Rashard Lee. I don't know. I think I knew Rashard Lee once upon a time.

What makes a great route runner? That's a good one. That's a good one. For me, obviously being able to run the entire tree, being able to run the entire tree in man-to-man, being able to get from point A to point B as fast as possible within the timing of an offense, and just getting open consistently.

I think what makes a great route runner for me is imagination because you can't run it every time just like they drew it up on the sheet, Ocho. They got guys putting hands on you. Hey, go to 10, the guy's standing there. What you want me to do, run over the top of him? You got to have imagination. I've got to be able to be creative in my technique,

in my thought process, to do exactly what Ocho said. Get from point A to point B as quick as possible. But that's the easy part. Now, transition, get in and out of that break right because we've seen guys and they throw that blink on blink blink blink and here come that db driving and knock it down you got to be able to transition drop me get in and out okay that's it that's everything that's the whole thing is being able to drop them hip transition I ain't never I ain't never slipped on a speed eye

I ain't never slipped on a basic cross nope I'm on that Ojo I'm on that thing I'm on it what yeah I'm dead that's crazy

Ojo your boy have more moves than the only fans woman you know what I'm talking about Ojo I had moves like that you better stop playing you had you had them kind of moves I was a route running extraordinary at the tight end position you have to understand Ojo I got drafted as a wide receiver so I could run I could run the route you already had the pedigrees. It was already in you. So Mike didn't have a problem putting me out there running the bang eight. Running the comeback. Running

the dig. Running the shake. He was out there running the bang eight from top of the numbers? You better stop playing with the back foot back without the foot hitting the stem and having the bang. What? Yeah! Oh, Joe, you... Okay. I gotta see that footage.

You better stop. Run the shape. I got to see that footage. Hmm? Ocho, come on. I got to see it. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Just pull it up for me.

I can find it at NFL Films. Don't worry about it. Voodoo Lobster 79 donated $100 and asked, Uncle Ocho, where would y'all rate Max Versteppen 2021 2023 F1 season in terms of all-time domination? He

won his third straight title, won 19 of 23 ever, 23 races, which is the most in a season, most points ever in a season, doubling his teammate who was second. Look, Schumacher was it. I remember Michael Schumacher. Hopefully he's doing well.

He had a very tragic accident that left him in a situation, a skiing accident. Lewis Hamilton, I know of him. I don't know these guys. And that's as far as I go back, is Schacher lewis hamilton and and and stephen come on bro 19 to 23 races 19 to 23 races it's crazy that's great i don't even i don't i think you drive for red bull because i think lewis hamilton is mercedes yeah you were red bull i. I was the F1. I was the F1 in Vegas.

I was the F1 here in Miami. Great experience. Yeah. Great experience. I want to go to Monte Carlo. I want to go to Monte Carlo. Monte Carlo. Monte Carlo.

Monte Carlo. They got one in Monte Carlo too. Where they got Le Mans? I thought it was Monte Carlo. No? They might have one. Monte Carlo. Monte Carlo. Where they got Lamar's? I thought it was Monaco, no? They might have one. Monaco, Monaco. You'll love that.

You'll love that. I just, to me, like, I just, I don't feel right in that environment a little bit. Lamar's friends? That environment, it's very... I've been to, you know, I've been to obviously Super Bowl. Go ahead. Go ahead. It's very, how do I say it?

Very, like, Beverly Hill-ish. Very... Oh, they got money there. Yeah, there you go. There you go. There we go. They got long money. They got, yeah, they got yards of me, you know.

Yeah, that just, that wasn't my type of environment. But I enjoyed the experience that I was able to see, you know, those cars up close like that. Brandon Robinson asks, Uncle Nocho, who's your greatest running back receiver? I got Marshall Falk.

Yeah, I mean. Damn, that's a good one, too. It's going to be interesting to see. Excuse me. We'll see Matt Christian McCaffrey ends up. yeah I mean damn that's a good one too it's going to be interesting to see excuse me we'll see Matt Christian McCaffrey ends up but I in my era

you know Marcus Allen was one of the ones that could catch the football play 17 years you never I mean Al Al wasted a lot of his years

doing him wrong had him running full had him blocking for Bo Jackson but Marshall LaDanian lt had tremendous hands i forgot about lt yeah he's the first to rush i think lt rushed for like 1600 one year and caught 100 passes so that just goes to show you what type of running back that he was but probably marshall uh uh uh roger craig was the first to do 1,000 or 1,000 in the same season.

49ers. High stepping ass. Yeah. Rod. Yeah, but probably Marshall because I think Marshall is because I think Marshall could have been a receiver if he wanted to because he had that.

You know who a guy, I don't know if you know him, Eric Metcalf from Cleveland. Yeah, I don't know Eric Metcalf. We're number 21, man. Yeah, yo. Yeah, man.

You know, hey, Cal was like that. Cal came out a year before me from Texas. Man, you talk about a pretty running style, it was shit. Yeah.

Hey, he had to run track, huh? Yeah. That's what it was. He had that pretty track running style. Like a paladin pride. He be stepping on them. But hey, that ended up get going on you.

Sir Kate King says, Uncle Nocho love the show. Huge fans. Two questions. Is Fred Taylor Hall of Fame worthy? And how good was B. Dawkins? I called B. I only played against dog once and I'm not mistaken. I think it might have been

his rookie year. 98. Did B. Dawg come in in 98 or 97? Because I played against him in 98 when he was at the Eagles and I think he was a rookie. So I didn't have a whole lot. I didn't have a whole lot of dealing with him. I'm a lot older than guys, man. I'm 55,

man. I played against B-Dog once. The Fred Taylor question, without a doubt. Yeah. 96? Yeah, okay. B-Dog came in in 96. We played against the Eagles

in 98. That was the year we followed by back-to-back Super Bowl. I mean, we beat them so bad. I can't tell. I couldn't tell you anybody. You know who was on that team then? Actually, he the DB coach at the Cowboys with the trade. Al Harris.

Al Harris. Al Harris. I ran a comeback on him. Pull that up. And I ran a comeback on him. Pull that up. I ran a comeback on him and jumped over his head. I don't know about that, but I got to see that. Ojo, I caught the ball.

I was so high up, he split my leg. He went underneath. Pull it up. Are you sure it was Al Harris? Green Bay Packers, Al Harris? He was in Philly. Mike McKenzie? I know. I'm saying, are you sure that's the same Al Harris, Green Bay Packers Al Harris that played the model insider of Mike McKenzie? I know.

I'm just, I'm saying, are you sure that's the same Al Harris we talking about? Yeah, but the other day I found it. Ran a comeback on him. You jumped over his head? I went up there and caught him. He went up. I don't know. All I know, I was so high up.

He's like, hey. Yeah. Hey, Chad, somebody got to find that footage for me and tweet it to know, I was so high up. He's like, hey. Yeah. Hey, Chad, somebody got to find that footage for me and tweet it to me, please. Put it up. Chop it up and tweet it to me, please. I need that. Francis

Senya. In 2023, if you see Ray Buchanan in a snowstorm and his truck is broken down and yours is running perfect, would you pick him up? Absolutely not. Well, there better not be no snowstorm

in L.A. If it's a snowstorm in L.A., some stuff really about to go down. Some really about to go down. I hadn't seen Ray in probably 25 years. Damn, for real? Yeah. Especially with social media,

social media bridges the gap where it's easy to communicate with anybody. But a lot of the people don't be on social media like that no more, Ocho. I mean, we active on social media because it's kind of like our job and, you know, kind of get a feel of what's going on out there because you never know. I like to feel, you know, you never know what we're going to talk about on here or what we're going to talk about on first take. So you kind of try to stay connected.

But, nah, I hadn't seen Ray in such a long time. Sean the King said, Uncle Nocho, y'all got TV networks exact scared. Your podcast is the future. Look, the thing that I've tried to convey to Ocho is that, look, we've got to get a thinking that linear TV is our only option because for the longest time, everybody wanted to be on television. But pretty soon, television is basically going to be live events. The network is going to have live events. And this is kind of where

it's going. I mean, because you get Netflix, they want sports. You see Amazon is already into the business. Apple is looking to probably, you know, who knows what they're going to do with ESPN or maybe start their own thing. Because when you got $700, $800 billion

in cash, you can do a lot. So all we try to do, what we try to do is try to give you the best. We try to give you the best analysis, the best entertainment, the most information that we possibly can do, be. And we try to give it to you in a way that is true, but it's funny.

It's kind of like comedians. Comedians take live true events and make them funny. Okay, we take stories, and although Ocho is sharing stories, and they make you laugh. I share stories that make you laugh. But, and we say things in football terms. We talk about football. I mean, yeah, I believe there's a time to be serious,

and there's a time that we can joke. And I think the thing, we have a great balance of that and so uh thank you shonda i hope so um but i just tried to look i'm on i'm on television two days a week i go there oh joe i bring my hard hat i bring my lunch pail and my work boots yeah they give me an honest they give me they pay me an honest day's wage i give them an honest day's work. I come home and I start preparing for this. So that that's what I do. Uh, I give them what they asked for. They asked two days. I give them two days. They were like, Shannon, can you do this? Uh, Thursday and Friday. That's, that's how I operate. Oh, Joe. But I'm going to know like, man, well, what happened if he – I don't know what ESPN is going to do.

I don't know. I signed a one-year deal, and we'll see. Hopefully they like what I'm giving them, and we can work out something long-term. But I tell you what, I got Club Shea Shea, and I got Nightcap. So we got something, Mocho. We got something. Yeah, we're going to be straight.

We're going to always be all right. Nightcap going to go where it need to go it's just like noah's ark everybody better get on board now they're too late now they they're too late but i tell you what a lot other people gonna the format that we're using is that you know this is that that's that you can have the format if you want to. It's only one. It's only one. It don't matter what format you have. It's only one of us.

So no matter what you do, it's not going to be the same. It's not going to hit the same. It's not going to feel the same because it's not us. No, it's different. There's a certain chemistry. There's a certain energy and aura that we have. It ain't forced. It's just fucking authentic. It's organic.

They can't tell stories like us, Ocho. No, man. It's not, man. They can't. You can't replicate that. You can't. They can't. And the thing is, I've lived long enough.

I have a perfect because I grew up in the late 60s, early 70s. So I have a different perspective than a lot of people. There are not a lot of people that grew up in the era that, that I grew up in that play sports, played them at the level that I play and be able to communicate to cross a couple of generations and people like, okay, I don't sound like an old,

an old choker trying to be hip. Right. Right. I'm not a new kid trying to live I lived it Because the thing is Ocho I've been their age, I've been 35 35 year old ain't never been 55 I like where you're going At the end of the day

Just be you What you see is what you get That's what you. What you see is what you get. That's what I am. What you see is what you get. Yes, I can be serious. I can be funny. I know a lot of different things about a lot of different things. I don't know everything.

I know a little bit about everything. So, you know, when you ask me about Max Bestepin, hey, like I said, I go back to Michael Schumacher and I go to Lewis Hamilton. That's what I know and I didn't think I didn't think you know I didn't think anybody could be Schumacher and then here come Lewis Hamilton and then I didn't think nobody gonna be you know in the Mercedes and then here come

Verstappen and the Red Bull and it take a lot it man it took a lot of money to run those cars yeah and here's the thing Ocho You know how much a car costs? Ocho, do you know to fly? It's not like they're going from Talladega to Bristol, you know, to Hampton, to Darlington, to Charlotte.

They got to put on a plane. That's crazy. Yes, and to move a whole team they make a lot of sponsorship though huh they gotta get a lot of sponsorship money cause people watching

yeah that's crazy but you know the king the cash cow right now NFL NFL do about 16 million a year what you think F1 do a year

that's a good question they said like I think NFL I saw something they said there's a couple of things that do like 10 billion a year but right now

NFL is king man it's king and because A year. Okay. But right now, NFL is king, man. It is always. And because you got Amazon bought the Thursday night and you saw what they did. I think they paid $100 million to do Black Friday game. Yeah.

100 million. Netflix say they want to do some live events. Man, Ocho, I remember this was 1999. I used to go to this lady, this girl that did my nails. She said,

she said, you know, we just sitting there talking. She said, you ever heard of Netflix? I said, nah. She said, in 99? In 99. Because back then, you order, you order the DVD that you want, you ever heard of Netflix? I said, nah. She said, in 99? In 99. Because back then, you order the DVD that you want, you watch them, and then you send them back. She said, you know what?

I think it'll be a wise investment for you. I said, what you think will be a wise investment for me? She said, I think you should invest in Netflix. I said, really? She said, yeah. She said, I mean, you know, I don't know how much you make but you probably can invest like $2,500 $5,000 she said it just like that

damn boom hey remember remember blockbuster video yeah who you think put blockbuster out of business yeah that's crazy. Yeah. In 2022,

F1 saw its total revenues $2.57 billion up from $2.14 billion. So that just goes to show you, NFL did 16. So NFL did 7 times 7.5. So 7X'd it. That's crazy.

It's only getting bigger. Only getting bigger. Does's only getting bigger. Does F1 continue to grow the same way the NFL continues to grow every year? Ocho, it's a big... They went from 2.4, 2.14, to 2.57. So basically,

they put about 400 million. When the NFL increased, they do it in billions. Hmm. I mean, the cap, in two years, you watch the cap, the cap will be $300 million.

In five years, you'll have a player, a quarterback, making Shohei Ohtani's money. $700 million? He'll be making $70 a year. I don't know if they give you... It's not going to be guaranteed,

but I'm saying on paper. It'll look like so. Because you got to realize four years ago, Pat Mahomes got $450. And we thought a half a billion... A half a billion? Right. When teams...

You could buy teams. Mr. Bolin bought the Broncos like sixty five, sixty eight million dollars. That's crazy. Yes. Number the numbers. That's yes. And in the return, Jamarion World said, Uncle Nocho, I'm about to turn 21. I got the same birthday as LeBron. Any advice for these next couple of years of my life? Love the channel. Thank you. Bro, what you want to do with your life? What you want to be? At 21, you still enjoy yourself.

You got to enjoy yourself. Got to have fun. Don't take life too serious at 21, but have a plan, though. You got to have some type of plan, have some type of structure or something. But 21, you still enjoy yourself, man. Still enjoy yourself. You got to. But you got to have a plan. You got to have a little structure, a little balance. Yeah, yeah, a little balance. Just a little bit.

Just a little bit. Because most 21-year-olds, you know, most 21-year-olds, it's all fun, morning, noon, night. Fun, morning, noon, night. And it's a routine. And the routine gets stuck in your 20s when you're 21. And you stay in the same routine when you're 23. And you do it so goddamn much, you never break out that routine. And by the time you look up, it's too goddamn late to do any goddamn thing. I'm looking at it like this. What does he want to do? What does he want to be?

What's his plan? Because of me at 21, I was a senior in college and I had eternal vision. What could help Shannon get to the NFL? What could help Shannon be the best he could be his last year in college? That's where that discipline come in though. A lot of people ain't got the goddamn discipline especially when you're young to focus on long term because you're stuck

in the now. That's the problem. It's the now that make you goddamn. The now, people being stuck in the now, that shit pass you right back because you think you got all day. Ocho, when I was in my teens being stuck in the now that should pass you right back because you think you got all day oh joe when i was in my teens in high school in college my body was in glenville my body was in savannah my mind was a thousand year miles away

i knew there was something out there bigger and better for Shannon Sharp. And I had to get to it. I had to see it. I had to experience. And I had to bring Mary Porter. And I had to bring my family with me. That drove me. I'm talking about almost to the point of it.

That's all I thought about. I didn't think about anything else. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I did stuff stuff but I was focused and the greatest compliment that guys that I played with they pay me when they don't say I'm the best player they ever played with they say I'm the best teammate nobody was more disciplined than Shannon nobody was more determined and dedicated than Shannon. The very first day in 1986, I stepped foot on

Savannah State campus. We had practice. I said, I'm going to the NFL. I said, y'all gonna bull jive, but I'm going to the NFL. Man, shut up. You ain't going nowhere. It's okay. First year, Ocho, you know, I started a little bit. My

second year, that spring practice. Year two, it was a wrap. So I make Black College All-American. I make Black College All-American. I'm the only true sophomore on the team. And I'm conference player of the year, offensive player of the year, obviously wide receiver.

So we go to the Sheridan Black College All-American Banquet. As a matter of fact, the guest speaker was Jane Kennedy. Y'all know about Jane Kennedy. You don't know about Jane Kennedy. But everybody in this chat, anybody that's my age,

anybody that's like 45 to 65, they know about Jane Kennedy. Now this thing for the light up. Jane Kennedy was Halle Berry before Halle Berry. Yeah, she like that. Y'all but... Wait, James Kennedy?

Jane Kennedy. She used to be on the NFL today on CBS. It was Jane Kennedy. It was Irv Cross. It was Jimmy DeGreed. And it was Brent Musburger. Chat about a lot of... They don't...

But anyway, so we there. So my coach was Bill Davis. They got Coach Rob. They got Coach Willett, Coach Jeffries, Morfote. Who else is there? They got Coach W.C. Gordon. They got, I think, Gunslinger, Arch Cooley. All of them there.

And so they're talking about, well, you know, Vincent Brown, they called him the undertaker, went to Mississippi Valley State. And they said, oh, this boy really good, yada, yada, yada. Coach Davis looked at every one of them. Coach Davis said, I got the baddest in here. And he a sophomore. I said, all, he said, all them guys that y'all named,

they can't hold account of this boy. It made me feel so good that he said that. Every last one of them that was playing in the All-Star game called it the Freedom Bowl. I'm going to be better than you. I'm going to be better than you. I'm going to be better than you because my coach said

he would lead it. That's how I thought. If I heard my coach said he would lead it. That's how I thought. If I heard my coach say something, Ocho, I had a medial collateral sprain. I was a sophomore in high school. I was like 5'7", 155. I was small. Like I remember I told you they used to call me Pee Wee.

So I hurt my knee, and they took me to the doctor. And I was about 5'7". And the doctor, I'll never forget his name, Dr. Dewberry, James Dewberry. So they x-rayed my knee. He said, he looked at the coach. He looked at me. He said, Coach Hall, that's going to be a big man there. I'm looking.

I'm like, how am I going to be a big man? I'm 5'7", 155. He said, you're going to be a big man. So now I'm like, I go home,

tell my sister, doctor said, I'm going to be a big man. You know, I'll be a big man. Right. Man, Ocho.

I got to college, started eating three a day, started lifting that iron. Yeah. I got huge Ocho. I got huge Ocho. But discipline is everything. You're not going nowhere without discipline. Without discipline, you can't do

nothing. At all. It don't matter what it is. Without discipline, you can't do nothing. At all. You're lost. It don't matter what it is. Without it, you can't do anything. Chad, they keep it count. Four curses. Chad, you owe $80. I ain't.

What you? No, no, no. They messing up. Listen, Unc, this, when I do this, when I do, she, that ain't cursing. It ain't cursing. $5 in the jar. TJ Gamble,

oh, go James, drop out of it tonight. How long do you think he can play at this level? P.S. My wife loved the show. Best wishes

to you and yours. Man, he was sensational tonight, man. I think he was what? What was he? 13 of 19, 13 of 20,

5 of 5 from 3, 8 of 8, 9 of 9 from the free throw line. He... Who they played? What was he? 13 of 19, 13 of 20, 5 of 5 from 3, 8 of 8, 9 of 9 from the free throw line. Who did they play? They played OKC and OKC. He had to stop the bleeding. He had to stop the bleeding because they was hemorrhaging. I think they had won

one game since they had won the end season tournament. And I believe they put a lot of emphasis on the end season tournament because if you end something, I might as well win it, Ocho. It's like, you know, hey, it's like I go to college. I ain't just go to college. Yeah, I majored in eligibility, but since I'm here,

I might as well get a degree. Hell, I'm here! Why not? And what I'm looking for, they gonna be in the class. They're not gonna be in my room if I'm skipping class right they in class

right so that's what I need to be in the front of the class every Friday sport coat on briefcase I'm gonna be somebody right that's my mindset I'm gonna be somebody

that's what Right. That's my mindset. I'm going to be somebody. That's what Reb, Jesse Jackson, I am somebody. Yeah. Believe it. Oh, Reb. That's Jay and Kennedy. Y'all know about Jay and Kennedy?

Who know about Jay and Kennedy in this chat? I had to pull it up. I see it on the cover of Ebony magazine. Yes! Found it in Frog here. She was in Jet magazine too. You remember Jet magazine? Of course.

Had a centerfold on my wall. The Jet centerfold, beauty of the week. I put it on my wall when I was in phone, beauty of the week. Yeah, I know. I put it on my wall when I was in college. Okay. I showed it. Hey, they better not let me get no money. I'm going to get me one.

Or two, three. But, you know, I'm going to have me one. You know, I mean, I'm like, where am I going to meet these women from? You know, back then, they from New Jersey. They from California. I'm like, am I going to meet these women from you know they like you know back then they from New Jersey they from California I'm like oh yeah I had everybody I mean most of the guys most of the guys I mean I went to an HBCU so obviously most of the guys

it wasn't unique that I had but hey I'm cutting the beauty of the week I put that thing dead up on my wall with that Scottish tape on the back right right right mmhmm he said with that Scottish tape on the back. Right, right, right, right, right. Mm-hmm. He said, Martrell, Virginia Beach said,

where would y'all race Shadur Sanders? He looks like the best quarterback since Andrew Luck. Keep going. He's not coming out this year. This is really a crowded, this is really a loaded draft class quarterback position yeah I want to see it with some better protection oh he has some outstanding receivers and

as prime told us he got some more dogs coming in he said but the main dogs he get on the old line and D line but he can flat out throw the football there's no question there's no question I think you guys saw it he can spin the football so I's no question. There's no question. I think you guys saw it. He can spin the football. So I'm going to be surprised

if he doesn't go in the first round in the 2025 draft. I'm going to be shocked. I'll probably be shocked if he's not a top 10 pick. I was with, which commit was that I was with today?

Seaton, that was one of the. Oh, the old lineman? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The old lineman. Well, that's a big boy, boy. Yeah, that's what you need. Just call me Chris. Said, mad man.

Me and my wife Rose subscribe to the channel and love the show. It's our birthday week. Week, damn. I don't know who started this birthday week. Would love a shout out. Much success tonight, Cap. Uncle No our birthday week. Damn. I don't know who started this birthday week. We love a shout out. Much success to Nightcap, Uncle Ocho. We tuned in. Hey, Chris, Rose, happy birthday week. Man,

what y'all do? I mean, when did this become a thing, Ocho? They like, you know, like the Indian family, like these prominent Indian families, they have, they get married at weddings and they have weddings that go on a week, two weeks, month. But I'm saying, when did we start having in our community?

When did we start having birthday weeks? I think women, I'm not sure. I think it's women that started that. I think women have started having week, birthday month. A week? Birthday month? Well, they better have Oprah or

Kim Kardashian or Beyonce money. Right. I ain't funnier than that. It's a Libra season or whatever they call it. I don't know all those fucking seasons. Oh, shit. Damn it. Yeah, that 4-5 up right there, Ojo. Go to drop two of the odds in that pot.

My bad, my bad. But, um, nah, I lost my train of thought because I was trying not to curse, man. Yeah, women love that. It's about birthday week. They talk about their birthday month. It's their season. And they celebrate the whole month. They do.

I'm trying to, come on now. That ain't what it was supposed to be, Ocho. Yeah. I'm happy. I'm happy. Man, when my birthday comes, my birthday is on January 9th coming up. Real and be trying to do stuff for me,

going to dinner. I say, man, listen, you know I do not like that. Don't throw me no party. Don't invite no people. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't throw no party with my money.

Get me a cigar. Get me my cafe con leche from a Cuban spot. Let me sit on this patio and listen to my Sinatra or my Michael Buble or my Harry Connick Jr. and let me relax.

I don't want no extras. My prayer, I say that prayer at 11.59 right before the ninth hit. Man, that's enough for me. Thank God for seeing another year because there's a lot of people I know that ain't make it.

Yeah. I'm trying, hey, you know, on my birthday, I'm going to try to shade the cover this year for a dog, for sure. Well, you're going to shake the cover, huh? I'm trying to shake the cover for a dog. Yeah, I like that. I like that. Shaking the cover. 56, you know, you let me see 56.

Yeah. I'm going to shake the covers, huh? Am I? I got to use that. I don't know you all know. You know how you used to take the rug out and hang it over the clothes hanger and beat it with a broom and beat the dust out of it? You ever did that old joke? No, I ain't did that one. I like that.

Hey, Chad, y'all know anything about that? Taking that rug outside and hitting it with that broom and dust fly everywhere? Yeah. That's what I'm trying to do at the whole. And the whole 06, 26, 24. Mm-hmm. I'm going to knock the dust off my body. I like that. I like that.

Hold off. Hold off until the end, too, now. What? Yeah, hold off until the end. Man, I'd be like Shermule with what you call a McGrath-Montauk Sherman. You get all that, and you'd be wooly, wooly, wooly. Make your head pop off. Ah!

Uh. Uh. Daniel Dubois. Can I get a happy birthday song for my girlfriend? Happy birthday. Her golden birthday. You can't sing. Her name is Jessica Cahill. It would mean a lot. birthday song for my girlfriend. Happy birthday. Her golden birthday. You can't sing. No, Eve. Her name is Jessica Cahill.

It would mean a lot. Jessica, happy birthday. Happy birthday, Jess. I don't know what number it is, but happy birthday today and many more to come. Hopefully you had a very lovely evening. Enjoyed it.

Did something that you like and you were surrounded by family, friends and loved ones. So happy birthday, Jessica, and many more to come. Happy birthday, gang. Happy birthday, twin. Sharma Mabel said,

baby girl been tuned in since birth. Can y'all wish her a happy five month January? Five month? If we need to babysit her, holla at me. Yeah, happy birthday. Hopefully, you know, my grandson turned a year on LeBron's birthday. You know, I got me a little baby goat. Okay.

Yeah, he got me a shirt. I'm going to wear my T-shirt. He got his papa a T-shirt. I like that. I'm going to wear that. I'm going to wear that. I'm going to give you all a heads up. I'm going to wear that on I'm going to wear that. I'm going to give y'all a heads up. I'm going to wear that on Monday. Brandon

Atkinson. I'm transferring to UFC to be a walk-on. Any advice? UCF. University of Central Florida. That's out there in Tampa, ain't it? Yeah. Tampa or Orlando? It's one of them. I get

them confused. I get them confused. I don't know. I think it's Orlando. If you're walking on, well, advice, you know what you need to do. Yeah, you got to come on with it. You know what you need to do, especially if you're walking on.

We played them in my sophomore year. I did a number on them too, Ocho. Central Florida? Yeah, Ocho. I did a number on them too, Ocho. Central Florida? Yeah, Ocho. I did a number on them. They must not have been good back then. They were good. All I know, they came to see, they had a receiver, I think

his name was Bernard Ford. Showed him up. All I needed to know, hey, who the best play over there? And what position does he play? Because if he played wide receiver, when they lead his game, they're not going to be talking about him.

They're going to be talking about the other guy from Savannah State, number two. If he a DB, he got no chance. No chance. Zero. What is less than zero? A negative integer?

All I needed to know, what position did he play? Now if he played D-line when I can't do it, I can't expose. But no matter what he played whatever the best player was on the opposing team, Mocho, when they left, I guarantee you that they won't think about him as highly as they did before I came into

that game. I bet you that. See, if I was a DB, I would have locked your ass up, man. I like that kind of talk. I like that. Ocho. Yeah, you... Ocho, I wouldn't know to be played with, Ocho.

I wouldn't know to be played with, Ocho. So can you think about this, Ocho? Think about it now. Think about what I did in the NFL. Now think about what I'm doing at the HBCU. You think of the same thing. You ain't got no business there. You right.

But why I'm here, I'm a wreck shop. Yeah. And everybody had to see me. They still talk about it. People at Morris Brown, Morehouse, Clark, Fort Valley, Albany, Georgia Southern, Elon. They still talk about that number two at Savannah State. Hey, you play receiver, right? I sure did.

So I want you to think about this. I'm a better DB than receiver. I'm just telling you, I'm a better DB than receiver. I'm just thinking about if I was lined up on you, like, like how you would have been able to maneuver. Cause I'm so like, let me, let me, let me give you a little example, right? Like I'm so, you see, I'm always square like this here. That's what I want you to do.

I'm always square, you know? So I want you to be able to have a two way go. Well, you can't, you can't pull a rip cause my base, my cross is right up. Oh, Joe, you too light pull and rip because my base, my quads is right up under me, right? It ain't about that because as you coming forward, I'm backing up out of there anyway and I'm giving just a little bit of ground and I'm going to make you reset the line

of scrimmage every time. And as soon as you get ready to go, boom, I'm stabbing. Whichever way you go, I'm stabbing and I'm riding the hill. Chop. Chop who? As soon as you... I'm pullingbing. I'm riding the hip. Who? Me? I'm pulling you at the hip, though.

As soon as you put that left or right out, I'm trying to break it. Nah. I'm trying to break it. I'm just telling you, I'm trying to break it. I'm ready. I'm trying to break it. I would have been in your hip pocket, boy. Like pocket change. Last two questions of the night, guys.

Thank you. I'm sorry we couldn't get to your questions tonight, but we really do have to try to answer them all. Chad, answer this, please. The rainbow dime drop. How important is that on the deep ball pass? I think Kenny has that. Explain what the rainbow does.

Rainbow drop pass? On the deep ball. Oh. Why you call it rainbow? You don't want to put that much in on that. The chimney throw. We let him call it.

We call it the chimney throw. You know, dropping it down. You know, obviously you try to give the guy as much room as you possibly can from the sideline because you don't want him to always have to pinpoint it. You know, I don't know what your deep ball was.

That's a problem now today, you know, for receivers. Most of them always pin to the goddamn sideline instead of getting a nice release. Instead of just, they always just widen and letting the DB ride him off to the goddamn sideline and not giving the quarterback no room where he got to make almost a damn near perfect throw. Almost every time. Ocho, if you think about it, once the guy releases, he's

still, he's keep getting wide instead of stacking him and putting him in a trail. So now the quarterback, he can throw it here, he can throw it here, he can throw it here. Whereas before, if you just keep getting wide, he can ride to the sideline. He can only throw it one spot, here. Right.

And so what we tried to do, we tried to release, stack him, and know the ball's going to come 42 and four. 42 yards down the field, four yards from the sideline. Some people are 44 and two, 44 yards deep, two yards from the sideline. But Mike, the way 2, 44 yards deep, two yards from the sideline. But Mike, the way we were taught it, it was 42 and 4. 42 yards deep,

four yards from the sideline. Every time. You know what's funny about that? No matter how fast you was, that ball always landed at the right time, at the right mark, every time.

Right. Because, you know, the guys, that's where the trash can comes in at. So you put the ball at 25, you put it at 30, you put it at 40, you put it at 42 and 4, and you try to throw the ball, you try to put it in the trash can comes in at. So you put the ball at 25, you put it at 30, you put it at 40, you put it at 42 and 4 and you try to throw the ball

you try to put it in that trash can. So, because that's where you're going to be. And so you had to set it up because knowing I'm not even looking until I get like 25 yards. I'm just digging. I'm getting wide

I'm releasing outside and now I'm trying to get back in front of him. I'm just digging. I'm getting wide. I'm releasing outside. And now I'm trying to get back in front of him. I'm trying to stack it because I want him in a trail position. Knowing that John's going to drop it in there. So like that. Patrick Willis said, if y'all had an opportunity to call a sporting match,

what would it be? Call a sporting match? What had an opportunity to call a sporting match, what would it be? Call a sporting match? What I would like to call? You know, I would look... That's a good question. Maybe play-by-play, since I already said that. Oh, I love that. Well, you...

Sporting event. What you want to call? You want to call play by play. You want to call basketball play by play, football play by play, soccer play by play.

You want to do a tennis? Soccer, soccer, football. No, soccer or boxing. Okay. I like that.

Uh, uh, uh, I want to call a match. Wimbledon center court. Ooh, that's nice. Ooh,

center court. I want to be on center. I don't want to see you. You, you, you call it Alcaraz and Joker. I hate that. I didn't see federal play.

You, you know, you see Roger play in person? Mm-mm. I got, you know, I got, you know, look, obviously I've been to a World Series, Game 7. I've been to an NBA Finals. I've been to, obviously, the Super Bowl.

I went to the U.S. Open. I saw Serena beat the Great Dane. What's her name? She just got married. She married Keith Lee. I mean, Lee. Used to play for the Golden State Warriors, the Knicks. What's her name?

The Warriors, the Knicks. He played for the Warriors and the Knicks. What's her name? They call her The Great Dane. But she's a... Oh, yeah. Wozniacki.. Wozniacki. Caroline Wozniacki.

I saw Serena play her in the U.S. Open semifinals on a Saturday night. So there's a whole lot of things. I want to go see the Olympics. I need to see the Olympics. And I need to see a woman to match center court. Then I'm good. Maybe go see Daytona, too boy listen daytona you've been to a nascar race before i have i was at uh i was a grand at watkins glen i was there i started the race at

watkins glen i love that man that's the road course yeah i've been to charlotte i obviously know i've been to tank dotona i've been to Homestead. I love sitting out there, man. People don't realize how loud those cars are. I love it. And how close they are going 200 miles an hour. An hour.

Love it. But they have to, and the bank is so steep to keep them from... You know you can drive in Daytona. You know that, right? You haven't done that yet? Uh-uh. You get in the car.

You get in the car. They have you in the air. Oh, yeah. And they're able to control how fast you can go. How are those fast? Oh, no. They build you up to about 180, 190. Oh, you know I do this every night, Ocho.

Does anybody know what this shoe is called, and why is it special? There's a reason. Now, you're going to see the real sneaker heads. What's this shoe called, and why is it special? Because they made it in two different models. But why is this shoe special? If I had to take a guess, because I don't know what those are, but it's special because it has the

gun bottom. Look at that Ocho! I don't understand. You don't know about no gun bottles? I wear Jordan 1s. That's it. I don't have any of the other ones. You don't know about no gum bottles.

You need to stop, Ocho. Who told you? I want to know who told you. Nobody. Ain't nobody know. If you don't wear nothing but ones, how you know about the levels? And how do you know about the gum bottoms? Because I'm looking at the gum bottom and anytime I see those. Listen, let me finish. Anytime I see those shoes, the bottom is always white.

That's my point. So who told you? Well, obviously, if the bottom on those aren't white like they're supposed to be based on what I'm used to seeing. That must be what make them special. The gum bottom. Ocho, it's the fact that you said gum. That's the part. You think I don't know what

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