Nightcap - Nightcap - Brock Purdy Stumbles + The Great Nutrition Debate

Episode Date: October 24, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson discuss the 49ers losing to the Vikings, the crazy weekend in the NFL, more first date etiquette, and whether nutrition is real.  #Club #Herd #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He's your favorite. Mmm, 85. Second best rock runner in NFL history. History. I'm probably the sixth-time Pro Bowl player. Sixth, should have been seven. Bengals' ring of famer, Chad, Ocho, Cinco, Johnson. Ocho, what's going on, bro? Man, I'm feeling good.

I'm feeling good. I'm happy. I'm glad to be here again. It just, it's something about today. I was excited and just waiting for this opportunity to be on the show tonight because I got so much to talk about. I have so much to get off my chest, and that's pretty much it. I'm ready to go. already please tell family and friends so you're notified with Ocho and I going live and we do that quite frequently we're thinking about adding another day we haven't decided on that yet but another day make sure you click that subscribe button to make sure that you are notified anytime nightcap is available and Ocho the Vikings hand Niners the second straight loss 22 17 Brock Purdy 21 of 30 272 one touchdowns two picks Kirk Cousins 35 of 45 378 two touchdowns one pick Jordan Addison

had a night when Justin Jefferson was out nursing that hamstring injury, he had seven catches, a buck 23, and two touches. What was one of your big takeaways from tonight's game, Ocho? My biggest takeaway from tonight's game, I said it before the game even started, I tweeted out, I said, Jordan Addison and Hawkinson have to have a day. They got to have a day. As long as Brian Flores and his defense did what they needed to do, they did just that.

McCaffrey, well into the third quarter, didn't have over three yards of carry. Didn't have a – they stifled. They stifled Kittles until I think, what, maybe late in the third quarter. He had an over route. That was his longest catch of the day. The defense did their job. Two interceptions, but offensively, I think the most important thing on why the Vikings won

the game, of course they scored, but on third down, they were above 70% well into the fourth quarter on third down. Being able to get those first downs and keep those drives going and score points, it's one of the reasons why they won the game outside of the defense playing some

goddamn good football. Yeah, the 49ers could not get off the field on third down, and that's when you lose the game because you give them three more cracks at you. You do a great job. You can stop them on first down. You stop them on second down, and you're like, okay, we're one down away from getting off the field,

giving our offense an opportunity to get back, and they could not get off the field on third down, but it seems like to me Brian Flores uh what he went to this game said you know what christian mccaffrey's not running this football we won't be elite block brock purdy we want the ball in his hand and we want him to throw the ball and you know they got that swing past the mccaffrey they caught him in a blitz on the back side they swing it out. The wide receivers do a great job of blocking. Yeah, blocking. Murphy got to make that tackle, man. Murphy playing around.

He got to make that tackle, man. But what did you take away? I'm looking at defenses and the way they're going to approach the 49ers, especially with no Debo and Trent, because I thought they did a great job of protecting, considering Trent wasn't in there. But they shut down McCaffrey and the run game and put the ball

in Brock Purdy's hand and said, we don't believe you can beat us. I think, well, you know what? Not only did they believe that he couldn't beat us, they did a great job, obviously, of stopping the game, but the secondary played really well as well. Played really good as well.

Being able to stop Kittles with Debo being out, obviously, Trent Williams not being in there. They did a great job in the secondary. I'm not sure what defense Brian Flores ran tonight. I'm not sure what it was. He played a lot of man.

Yeah, that too. But what is that telling us? What is that telling us? Brandon Ayuk is out there. Are we saying that they can't get open against man? Well, he played, I mean,on iuk

he called some passes i mean they were going to him early he did a great job even jennings got going late but it was in between you know the turnover it seemed like the uh the 49ers like drive about to open the game after they pick off cousins early in the ball game they're driving down the field mccaffrey coughs it up, and instead of getting 7-3 out of that drive, here comes Minnesota back. They put a drive in the end zone. And so instead of being up 7-0, 3-0, you find yourself down 7-0. Yeah.

One of the balls sailed on Brock. I think it might have been a dig route. I think it might have been a dig route. He was trying to throw it. It sailed a little bit. And once, I can't remember his last name. What was his last name that got the interception? Once he got that second one,

I knew, I had a feeling it was going, I had a feeling he was going to throw a pick because whenever you put the ball in the quarterback's hands and you have to score

at that point, defensively, you can cheat a little bit. You can cheat a little bit because you know they got to inch their way down the football field and not just take

one huge chunk. Right. But when you look at it, you could tell early on that the ball was sailing on him. He threw one early to Kittle and got Kittle hit in the groin. So the ball was sailing on him early. And so it felt like, you know what, it might be a problem tonight, him being able to control the football. I'm surprised considering they're at work, they are indoors,

and there is no element that's in play. You have a 72-degree controlled environment. So I thought he would have better control of the football than what he showed. But give the Minnesota Vikings credit, their defense. And how about Cousins? 35-45, 378, two touchdowns, one pick, and playing well in a primetime game.

With no Justin Jefferson. No JJ. We know we beat him up when he plays bad, primetime, Thursday night, Sunday night, Monday night. But tonight, he was the main reason. He was the main reason. Can we call him elite? For tonight?

I'm just asking you, based on... Listen, numbers don't lie. Numbers don't lie. Ocho, but we got to stop. If a guy has a good game, he's elite. If he plays bad, he's a bad. I'm just asking. What has Kirk Cousins' body of work

shown you over a decade? Has his body of work showed you that he's elite? It's been up and down. But what Kirk has showed us is that he's capable he's capable of playing consistent football and making sure and giving his team a chance to win he just hasn't crossed over that hump yet but he's consistently consistent in the regular season he's good enough to get there they just haven't gotten over that hump good oh look good enough to get where where

we're exactly there into the playoffs yeah well yeah yeah they they always on the verge for the good enough to get where? Where exactly they're into the playoffs? Yeah, they're always on the verge for the past 10 years. Yeah, he just he's not elite but he's like right there, right on the verge.

Right on the verge. What's wrong with being in here? If elite is right here and the floor is right here why can't a guy be in between there why does he have to be this or that okay okay but listen he's not

that far below when you talk about the floor he's right underneath the tier one quarterback he's right there underneath based on the body of work that he's put up the past decade he is alright 49ers had three right there underneath, based on the body of work that he's put up the past decade. He is. He is. All right. 49ers had three turnovers in their first six games.

They had three turnovers tonight. And remember, when a team is down some of their best players, if you're a better football team and you turn the ball over, either you go down to their level or you raise them up to your level. One of the two, whichever one you choose to do. But that's what you do when you turn the ball over. But give Minnesota credit because they turned the ball over also and they still found a way to win this ball game.

One of the things that they were able to stop and there was no sign of, brother Nick Bosa. Yeah, they didn't really get pressure. I thought they would do a brother's job of pressuring. Yeah, I would have thought they would have. And the fact that Kirk Cousins was able to sit in the pocket with bodies around him and facilitate the ball at will was amazing to see. And the funny thing about it, this entire week of football has been weird.

Would you consider this an upset? Yes, absolutely. The Niners were a seven-point favorite. Not only were the Niners a seven-point favorite, the Patriots beat the Bills. The Steelers beat the Rams. Obviously, and the Vikings just now beating the 49ers. Who would have ever thought?

I know a lot of people, a lot of gambling and betting people are upset at the slate of games that happened this week. Well, this is one thing after watching Kirk Cousins through the years. We know that you got to pressure him. And look, this is not earth-shattering news. I'm not interrupting your normally scheduled programming, telling you something you didn't know. Most quarterbacks, when you punch them in their mouth,

whether you talk about the greats, Montana, Brady, Manning, Elway, whomever, when you pressure them, you greatly reduce their success rate. But Kirk Cousins, we know, is either magnified because those elite guys, sometimes when you pressure them, they still will look down the barrel and make a throw. But we've seen Cousins over the years, he kind of folds, he succumbs to a lot of that pressure. But tonight, they didn't get pressure on him,

and his stat line shows that they didn't get pressure on him. 35-45, 378, two touchdowns and a pick. So, in this division, do you think the Vikings can give the Lions trouble? Because I think the Lions, I think even though they lost handily yesterday to the Ravens, I still believe that this is the Lions, I think even though they lost handily yesterday to the Ravens, I still believe that this is the Lions division to lose. I think it is still

the Lions division. The Lions are playing really good football right now and I think even though they're coming off of a loss, they're going to respond extremely well in their next game. The Vikings without Justin Jefferson aren't beating the Lions. I think even with Justin Jefferson coming back and them having to work him back in slowly, even though

he's coming off an injury, I think it's too much ground to make up to actually unseat the Lions and win in that division. Too much. Too much ground to make up. Okay. It was announced today that the Miami Dolphins will be featured on HBO Hard Knocks, I guess it's for the rest of the season,

right? For the rest of the season. Obviously, they have a very compelling storyline. Mike McDaniel, hey, he loves to have fun. They do his interview, and he takes off running. He's very animated on the sideline. He's very jovial. You got Tua in his story. You got Tyreek in that track team.

So I think it's a very compelling storyline. You and I were both on the show we start i was in baltimore in 2001 and we kicked off hard knocks yeah you were on the fifth and the seventh season talk about some of your experience with the cameras and having to try to offer the fans a glimpse of a day in the life of a player that's in training camp being a veteran player but listen that that was one of the best experiences to me, obviously allowing people to see what it's like inside, inside of training camp, seeing the way,

the work ethic that not just I put in, but, but my teammates, what goes into day-to-day practices, our schedules, as far as meetings, obviously the cutthroat part of the business, obviously, you know, when it's time, when it's time to get cut, but it was fun. It was very fun. Uh, just, just being myself, being authentic, being, being my, my organic organic self. And, um, I, I, I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. It was the birth. It was the birthing of child, please. Uh, one of my sayings and kiss the baby and some other stuff like that. And then just allowed people to see a different side of a different side of us outside of seeing the finished product on Sundays at one o'clock.

And what I like to call the politically, the politically correct interviews that we do on Sundays at the games. I think that, that that's hard knocks is really good because the show, the different side of all the players. Yeah. It gives you an opportunity that the players getting ready, the meeting time,

how much meeting time, the prep work guys getting massages and the guys getting in the cold tub and the guys doing things to get ready because you break your body down and then somehow you got to get it back together for the next day of practice. And the difficult side,

some of these players' dreams will go unrealized. You it there but this is as far as it goes and the realization that my dream of being an NFL player is not going to materialize and now I've got to branch back into the real world and get you had a great run you were probably a pretty good high school player good to great high school player had a good had a great run. You were probably a pretty good high school player, good to great high school player, had a very good college career, but that next level isn't going to happen to you. And sometimes watching the guys,

because you get close to some of the guys and you see how hard and how much work they put into it and then to realize that, you know what, it's over now. Yeah, listen, that's a tough job. That's a tough job to do, especially for coaches. And when you get there, when you hear that knock on the door, you know, and they say, bring your playbook. Man, that has to be one of the worst feelings. And the fact that, obviously, Hard Knocks has cut it out.

I think they cut out that part where they show people getting released now, right? They no longer show that. I don't think they do. It's honest. It's just the truth of the business. It's just the way it is. Obviously, my childhood dream, it wasn't even to be an NFL player.

I wanted to be a veterinarian. I wanted to be a marine biologist because I love dogs and I love killer whales. But the fact that grandma obviously, with football being my outlet and something for me to do based on the area where I was in, because it's either you're playing sports and there's no other route.

I definitely want to be an academic scholar. I can be honest with you. I'm just going to be honest with you. Which you're great. You could have got in prison. Hey, listen, but listen, listen, grandma is the reason I was able to make it, man. And that day when I saw that name, when I saw that name go across that ticker. Ticker.

Yeah, she was the first one I went to, man. And I told her, I say, mommy, we made it. Man, she told me, listen, this is just the beginning of your journey. Right. This is just the beginning. And then it starts all back over again. It's an entire different set of goals that I had to set and conquer. Yep, you're absolutely right.

And that's what a lot of times I tell the guys. I say, this isn't the end. This is the beginning. So now this is step one. You're here making the team. Now, is it just good enough that you made a team? What do you want to be? I didn't want to be a guy, just a guy.

I wanted to be the guy. I wanted to be dependent on. I wanted people to have my jersey on. I wanted people to throw the guy I wanted to be dependent on. I wanted the guys, I wanted people to have my Jersey. Oh, I wanted people to like throw the ball to sharp. I wanted my teammates to say, Hey man, get up.

Hey man, get up in the shop, get up in the shop. That's what I wanted to hear. It wasn't good enough. Like I'm on the team. Oh yeah. I play for the Broncos.

What position do you play? You know, do you start or what do you do? No, no, no, no, no,

no. I needed people to know. I needed what what when my grandmother turned the tv on my my sister would turn the tv on to the that the channel that we're gonna be on that she knew her baby was out there yeah i saw my baby he was he had a good game so that's that's for me that was my goal that's what it was. Not just getting to the NFL because I'm always dreaming, but now that I'm here, I can't go back. Right. Right. Listen, I had no choice to go back because like my grandma told me, I got in trouble at Lanks University and I got thrown out of school. And I told you,

I came home on a plane and she said, I washed my hands with you. I've done all I can do and ship me to my mama. There was no coming back. So once I made it, once I got the opportunity in NFL, there were no more doors. There were no more doors I could walk through. I had no choice but to make it work. And of course, I get drafted by the Bengals. At that time, we were the laughingstock of the NFL. And I got my homeboys in the hood.

You know, we in Liberty City. We celebrating. Like, golly, Ocho, Boy, you went to the Bengals. They laughing. Like, listen, give me a year or two and it won't be so funny. I said, give me a year or two and I will do all I can to make sure we're not the laughingstock of the league. But I will make us fun to watch again. I will give that city and those fans something to be proud of. I will make people happy and feel

okay wearing jerseys, Cincinnati jerseys, outside of Cincinnati. And I think I just did that. Obviously, the end goal is to have a Lombardi trophy, but that's a team achievement and accomplishment. I fell short of that, but everything else, I lived

up to. But going back, what was I going back to? The reason I fought so hard was I didn't have to go back, go back to visit, but I wasn I lived up to but going back what was I going back to the reason I fought so hard was I didn't have to go back go back to visit but I wasn't going back to stay there was nothing there was nothing there was no gravitational pull and that's what I didn't understand Ocho I had guys I had teammates in college when I got to Savannah State in 86 and uh I remember there were guys in 80 even I can remember guys that were very talented but they like man Sharp this ain't for me man I gotta get back home I mean be it was a good day I mean

I had a couple teammates that had girlfriends back home and they were whole sick you serious time out are you serious yeah D.A. yes they had to go back I had I had a teammate I had a teammate that was so good, he went to the league.

I ain't going to call his name because I'm not going to embarrass him. But he wanted to come back and hang with his homeboys. He wanted to come back and hang with his homeboys. You dead ass? He was good. His feet was as good as any db that i faced i'm not saying he was the best db that i faced even in league but his feet the way he could get in and out of breaks the way he could flip his hips but he wanted to be with his homeboys

help me help me understand i've been playing the game of football since i was four years old having a dream obviously of reaching the childhood pinnacle of my dreams of being an nfl player and getting the opportunity to do getting the opportunity to do so and his first thought was i want to go home and hang on my homeboys but see that was your dream i'm not so sure that was his dream he happened to be good at it he was good at it in high school he was good at it in college but i mean at a certain point in time it comes you have to make up your mind how good do i want to be and do i want to make this a career right because you know once you get that level everybody everybody was all conference everybody was honorable mention all america the best got a and see the thing is oh children this is what I tell people, whenever you

come to the Broncos or whenever you came to the Ravens, whatever award you won, we had to see whether it deserved. Whether you were the Buccas, whether you were the Thorpe, you were the Heisman Trophy, you were an All-American, I needed to see why. Right, right, right, right.

Hey, that's hard to picture, man. That's hard to picture. I'm trying to wrap my head around, even if that wasn't his dream, to be able to reach the pinnacle of being one of the 1%. Like, how do you say that and want to go back home? Go back home and do what? How many homeboys you had in high school that was talented? That was better than me? Yes!

And dropped out to smoke weed or dropped out to sell dope. I know people I know people gonna see this That's from Miami I had so many people From Miami Central From Miami Northwestern Keeling High School

I can go through so many So many schools Where people Were much better than I was I was decent I'm like I like to call it I was a late bloomer

I was a late bloomer There were was a late bloomer. There were some dudes that I knew were going to the NFL that were much better than me. And for whatever reason, I don't know what happened. Obviously, once I left the college, you know, we all lose track. At some point, we lose track of each other. But dude, there are people that I looked up to in high school. To this day, I can name them off off i wanted to be like them growing up magic benton marquis cooper cedric cherry uh snoop menace uh lynn coleman um sent sent wait hold on hold on i can i can go it make i got chills just not right now think about some some of them dudes man tutu atwill um i can keep going. Man, it's so many, dude.

I want to be like all them boys. And I look up to them. And one of the reasons... Not Cedric. What's his role? Man, what's his name? What's his name from Norla, man? No, not Samari. Because Samari played with me. Remember, Samari was a senior and I was a freshman at B-Chai. He played

receiver at Omar Roe. Played receiver. I wanted to be like them. And one of the things that kept me going was watching them play when I was younger. And I just wanted to make it. I just wanted to be like magic. You know, I wanted to be like, man, oh my goodness, Tyrone Butterfield, Ronald Washington, all these dudes. Like, I'm like, oh my goodness, I want to be like them. And I think the drive in me wanting to be successful like them is what got me to the NFL. And still to this day, I ain't seen these boys in so long.

But this is one of the few times I've been on a platform to tell them, they probably going to see this, man. I appreciate y'all because they is part of my motivation. I just would. I never saw them to be able to let them know. Yeah. I think the best part about hard knocks, let him know. Yeah. I think a lot, the best part about hard knocks,

let me get back on subject with the hard knocks is that when I had, no, no, no, we good. That's the one thing that we do. We get to talk about what we want to talk about. I mean, hey, look,

people, you tune in for the football takes, but you stay for the stories. But I had, because I thought like, kind of like after we did it, it kind of like a lot of other people wanted to get in the limelight. I give Brian Billick, I give Ozzy credit for this.

It's about the players. So Goose, myself, rest in peace Goose, Ray, Ward. It was about us and give us an opportunity to show our personality because a lot of times it is about playing pranks. is about playing jokes on one another and doing things i wish you could like if they could have a uh when we would when uh when i went back to denver how we used to steal teammates car drive them off for like drive them like a mile you could see it in the distance we take we lead we leave the car running with the doors open. So now you look up there on the hill,

you look up there like, man, man, Sharp, man, why you do that? Man, I don't know what you're talking about, bro.

I'm at practice. How your car, how I take your car way up there and leave it on running with the doors open, man. And then when they get out, the battery dead.

You know what I'm saying? Or we would take their clothes, put them in the cold tank. When they get out, put them in the freezer. When they get out, they still. Man, ain't nobody did this but Sharp. Bro, why Sharp did everything? Why I got to be the guy?

Y'all blame me. They got me good in my rookie year. I'll never forget. I had an IS300. IS300 and first car ever. First car. Obviously, I didn't have a car until I got to the NFL. I had a little small little IS300.

And they turned my car on, rolled the windows down, and somebody took the fire extinguisher. And they sprayed the fire extinguisher and let it off in the car. So when I woke up the following morning, the entire interior is all white. So now I come out. I come out. I'm 38 hot. I'm like, yo, I go to coach. It was Dick LeBeau at the time. I go to Dick LeBeau, I say, Coach LeBeau,

man, somebody playing around with my car, man. I just got this. Like, what we doing? And then he explained to me how it goes on in NFL. You're a rookie. It's a part of the heyday. It's a part of the routine. Boom.

Same day, same day, you're a rookie. It's a part of the heyday. It's a part of the routine. Boom. Same day. Same day. I go to practice. My clothes I wore to go to practice. I come in. They soaking in the cold tub. Yep. They done put my clothes in the cold tub.

Yep. So now I'm hot and I want to fight. And then until I find out, it's the goddamn D-Lyman. It's the goddamn D-Lyman playing jokes. I ain't want no part of that. I ain't want no part of that. We did all kind of stuff. I mean, we guys be like, okay, you know,

we like to wait till the last minute. We already got our pants on. And so we know we gonna grab your pants right there late. So we gonna put powder or we'll put water in for your shoulder pads so when you reach up there and pull them down, dump it on you. Or I nail the locker shut.

So I go by and nail the locker shut. They can't get in it. What about the baby powder? Oh, yeah. In your helmet? The baby powder in the helmet. Oh, you put the helmet on? Oh, we put a warm snicker bar in your helmet? Yeah.

And you put it on? Dude, we had to sweat and chocolate and everything. Man, listen. Hey, but that was it. I mean, look, that was the get through. But you knew who to do that to and who not to do that to. Who not to. Oh, yeah, yes, you do.

Because it definitely caused a fight now. It get ugly now. It definitely caused a fight. It get ugly now. So you knew who to play with and who not to play with. Sean Payton says he got sushi with the family, even though he doesn't eat sushi or he doesn't like sushi. He says, I'm driving home last night, heading to get sushi.

I don't like sushi. And I find myself circling around the parking lot. Why can't I be happy? Well, you're searching for the perfect game. I'm just that way. I'm a good team player here. My wife likes it. My kids like it.

Hell, everyone at the party likes it. So I'm a team player. My children would never take me to a sushi restaurant. I barely even order alcohol in front of me. Are you that big of a team player that it's something that you don't like? And most sushi restaurants, that's all they got. It's not

like they got a diverse menu that you can choose from. Okay, you know what? I want a burger. Okay, you know what? I think I'm going to get a chicken. Most of the time when it's sushi, that's kind of what the menu, because I'm not so sure you're going to a restaurant that has a diverse menu that has sushi, has burger, has pizzas and stuff like that.

No. So you're kind of limited when you go to a sushi restaurant. Are you a team player? Yeah, I think I'm a team player to an extent. But if my team, if my team and my family, my wife and my kids actually love me, I don't think they will put me in a position to take me somewhere where they know I'm not going to enjoy the food. And that's including my woman too. I would hope, you know, you don't force me to do something just so you can say, well, if you love me, you'll do it. Well, if you love me, you wouldn't have me doing something that you know I don't like before you met me. I would hope so. But I understand what Sean is coming from. If the kids like it, if the wife likes it, that's a part of marriage.

That's a part of being in a relationship. It's called sacrifice. Sometimes you got to do it. Yeah. I mean, you're right. You're right. It's tough, but I'm very fortunate

that my kids know my palate. Right. And so they know like, okay, when they build this, when they talk about going out to eat, the first thing, I mean, they know me so well. Okay. What is daddy going to eat? So they're thinking, even though, even though it's them, they know daddy is going to only eat certain things.

And so, and daddy's proud and daddy's paying for it. So let's make sure, let's make sure, let's make, let's make sure daddy, daddy likes it. So let's make sure daddy likes it. You know what I do like, though? Now that we're on the topic of restaurants and eating, my kids. Obviously, you know, I have a lot of kids. And I have two divas. Maybe three. I have one that's a little bit more lean.

I have two divas, Sade and Ja'Kyra. Sade and Ja'Kyra. And they are five-star eating, dress up, giving looks, makeup, hair, lashes, everything got to be done. Now, for them, for them two, I don't care where you want to go. You want to go to Poppy State? You want to go to Zuma? All those nice restaurants. The high-end.

The high-end stuff, I would take the time out to go in there and fake it. Right. I would go in there and fake it because it's not an all the time thing. It's just, it's an occasion. Obviously, everybody's in college. You know, my daughter's out in LA. So anytime we home and we can all get together, I have no problem being a team player when it comes to them.

But the best part about it is my kids are really not finicky. They're pretty much, I mean, they're very, very, I think because of the way that when we went out, we kind of went to like American Fair. We didn't really branch out. So it wasn't like, okay, let's go get sushi, or

let's go get Thai, or let's go get, you know, we didn't do that. So for the most part, they're like, okay, we went to high-end steak restaurants and things of that nature. that's kind of where their palate is now i think um my youngest i think poo will eat sushi i think kiara does i'm not so sure about kayla uh she's she's never mentioned it to me but i think my youngest daughter, I think she does eat it. Eat sushi already? Sushi, yeah. Ooh.

My kid's grown, bro. I ain't got no young kids like you. No? Hell nah. Listen, that's another topic we can get on about, you know, you starting back over, man, having a nice little one. You know, because it can make, even though you, I'm not going to say your age, but having another child, you know, it can do wonders for you, man. It can do wonders for you and just and bringing that youth back into your life. So that's another topic we can touch on later on, later on down the line.

It'll bring one of them to bring my summers to a close. You know, I look at my life as far as summers. I like to think that I got at least 20 summers left. I'm not so sure bringing the kid into the equation. Don't take about five or six of them summers off. No, not really. So if you think you got 20 summers left without an infant, you know, with an infant,

you might want to add 10 more summers of that. I'm just saying it's in the Bible. Look, I got a really good, my kids were really good. Obviously, my oldest daughter, she lived with me her junior and senior year. And so, you know, obviously you get a young lady with her emotions

and get me. I'm rigid. I'm very structured. She's not rigid. She's not structured. But I think the thing now, and talking to her now, and I'm so proud of the young woman that she's turned into, is that when we have conversation, she's like, Dad, I didn't see it at the time, but I really appreciate it now.

And it's kind of like it was when I was with my grandmother, when they tell her my grandmother and my grandfather shared all these stories, you're a kid, you don't know. You just want to do what you want to do. But now, and, and, and, and for me, and I, and I tell people this all the time, I can remember everything my grandfather said to me, my grandfather died in 70 in February of 77. I was eight years old, about to be nine. And I can remember everything my grandfather said.

I can tell you, my grandmother lived until I was 43 years of age. I can tell you every time my grandmother has ever got upset at me. And I can tell you why, and i can tell you what i did that's how the impact of what they were what they said and how they how they treated me the impact that it had and so for my kids to like appreciate it because i look i was hard on them i was i was because yeah i was yeah so you were the you were the disciplinarian absolutely yeah see i i was i was i was a total opposite and and one of one of the few things that i i commend those that i have kids from they did one hell of a job right they did one hell of a job because i was more lenient i was more lenient and all my kids turned out to be phenomenal in the area as far as getting in

trouble and making some of the right decisions yeah and i take i don't i don't want't, I don't want to take the credit. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I'm going to take the credit for what they turned out to be. All credit is due to the mothers and because of them and because of the structure and discipline that they did have, even with the young ones, it's the same way. Everyone has turned out to be phenomenal. And I, I've never been on a platform like this to be able to give them the credit that they do and give them their just due. But man, most definitely, I'm very, very, very grateful for them. But because of that structure and discipline, it's allowed me to be able to do some of the things that I've done now, even to this day, just throughout the years. And everything

has gone so smooth and transitioned because of them. Yeah. It was difficult because I'm away, away playing. And when they come over, you know, the mom was a little bit, was a little more or less lenient than I am. Right. Right.

So you ain't standing on the couch. You're not jumping on the bed. You're not running through the house. You're not leaving doors open and things like that. So they looking at me like, but you know, to their mom's credit, you know,

there's like, okay. They were kind of like, your dad is a little different than I am. Your dad is a little bit more structured. Your daddy's voice cares a little bit more as the mom. Yeah. And so, but to, to give those guys credit, their parents, their mom did a great job. They always, uh, the kids always had obviously the utmost. And even though we had, you know, we had our issues at times because we were young, same, same, same, we had our issues and, and, but we worked through those things. Um, I think the thing is the biggest thing for me is that looking back at it, like, okay, I could have handled that differently. Yeah.

You could have. And we talked about it and I think we're in a great place now, but the kids, uh, for me, they understood they understood you know i could just give my kid that because i would take them to the mall and and people would ask like how do you get your kids to do that like do what right they're like they sit down they don't move they're not running around i mean my kids will be all over the place right oh You don't play that? Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. You show up, you get whoa-wop. Wait. It really, hey, that's how my, but see, you know, if you're not careful.

You sound like my grandma, man. But you know what? If you're not careful, you would do it. And, you know, you're like, and I didn't, you know, I didn't discipline my kids much it had to be something that really I thought that they really needed to learn a lesson in this situation because and people like well why you so hard on them I say I wouldn't be if they were going to stay

that size and that age I let them do what the hell they want to do because they're about to make kids cute but one day they're going to be teenagers and if I'm fortunate enough I'll see them have they'll build adults and I'll be able to see my grandkids. So I need to teach them right from wrong and understanding discipline and work ethic. Right. You want something, Hey, you need to, you know, and I,

and I've had this conversation with people that are, that work their way from the mud. Like, like we say, we got it out of the mud the concrete right how do you instill that work ethic in them when they got when you got 25,000 you got maids you got chef you got chauffeurs you got security detail how do you instill that that's a good question in your case i'm asking, how did you do that? Well, what did I tell you? Yeah. I'm last option, not first choice. Okay. Okay. I'm going to try that. I'm going to try that. But it's hard for me to say no. I'm going to just be honest with you. I'm hard. Whether I'm the first option or

the last option, if somebody texts my phone, you know it's coming. Well, I think the thing is for me is that they know it better be a good reason. Now, the question is, why didn't you come to me first? You get yourself in a bind because you're trying to do something and not let me find out about it. I'm going to

need to know why you didn't come to me first. Right. I don't need to know all your business. You're grown. But remember now, if you're grown, you're grown all the time. Don't be grown when you need daddy. Because you know, a lot of times I'm grown, you know, you're grown.

But it took me a while to be able to like, okay, they are grown. Because I remember the first time I went out with my kids and they came by with the drink menu. And my kids got the menu and they looking like okay I'll take this and I look like yeah you're like daddy

we 25 we 26 yeah you right y'all you're not you're not kids anymore they caught me off guard on our trips you know we take our annual trips when everybody get out of school. Man, we in Jamaica,

we in Mexico, and I'm looking at y'all ordering who? Ordering what? And I'm looking at Real, and it hadn't clicked even though they grown, you know, 25. Yeah. Like, okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm not used to that.

And then I'm doing the preaching, but why y'all not like your daddy? Why y'all not like your daddy? Because your daddy never had a sip of alcohol a day in life. But here y'all go, y'all drinking. Damn. You know what I'm saying?

It's all good. But that's them. They have their own identity. What got me excited doesn't get them excited. And I wanted them to have their own identity and for the most part my kid don't won't tell you who they are now obviously my oldest daughter she kind of looks like me so the first thing they see her they're like you look just like your dad but if you if you don't know right i ain't gonna tell you my youngest daughter kind of got my name

right but she'll tell people it like, are you related to that, that former football player? She's like, nah, my mom just liked his name though. So she used to root for the Broncos and she liked his name. So I'm like, I can't,

all, all, all my kids look like me with that. That's a good thing. Cause I, I look, I look good. I look good.

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I'm not finished. I'm not finished either. Huh? I'm not finished. Yeah, man. Yeah. Baby. Baby.

She's trying to pretend like she's asleep. Yeah, I'm working, man. Yeah. No problem with you. You keep on. Baby. She's trying to pretend like she's asleep. Yeah, I'm working, man. I can't listen. One thing you can't do in life is you can't end on the odd numbers. You can't end on the odd numbers. The odd numbers, that's bad luck. No, having more kids is bad luck. No, it ain't bad luck.

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Women listed the places men shouldn't take them on a first date. Did you see that Ocho? Did you see these places? So I'm trying to figure out. Look at my face.

Ocho. So I'm just trying to figure out where the hell am I supposed to take you? I can't take you to Applebee's or Chili's or Red Lobster or Buffet. I hop. We can't go bowling. We can't go to the hookah bar. We can't go to Waffle House. We can't go to a sporting event. Not family functions. Not a coffee date. We can't even bowling. We can't go to the hookah bar. We can't go to Waffle House. We can't go to a sporting event, not family functions, not a coffee date.

We can't even go to church. I want God to look down and say, you know what? They're a cute couple. I'm going to bless them. I think this list was made just for the sake of creating engagement. Because I'm looking at some of this stuff. Movie night? Who don't want movie night?

Who don't want to go bowling? Nightclubs. What's wrong with nightclubs? I don't do nightclubs. What's wrong with that? Number one was Chief came back. Number seven was you can't take me to your house. Listen.

Depending on the guy. And fellas, I know you're watching this. If she likes you, if she really likes you for you, where you go doesn't matter because she's just happy to be in your presence. If she has a problem with anything on this list, any place on this list, it ain't about you. It's what you can do. That's it. So what about we just jump on? That's all it comes down to.

So I guess we just going to jump on the four or five and then down to. So I guess we just gonna jump on the 405 and then get to the 10. We just gonna drive around. We can't go nowhere because hell, every place on here, we can't go. They talking about Starbucks.

Who? What's wrong? Nightclub. Okay, I get the nightclub. I mean, who would want to go on a... Go somewhere... Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, Unc.

A strip club date? You ain't never been on a strip club date with somebody you just met? No, no, no. But that's the best, Unc, a strip club date? You ain't never been on a strip club date with somebody you just met? No, no, nah. But that's the best. That's the best. You ain't never... Listen, you alive, but you ain't living, man.

You alive, but you ain't living. You ain't never been on a... Unc, you got to do that for me. Come to Tootsie's with me. Come down to Miami. Let's go to Tootsie's, man. Man, I ain't going to lie with you. I ain't been to the strip club probably about...

Probably about 16, 17 years. See, you know what? That's the problem. Man, I ain't gonna lie with you. I ain't been to the strip club probably about probably about 16, 17 years. See, you know what? That's the problem. That's what's wrong with you right there. That's what's wrong with you right there. I used to go for the wings.

I used to go for the wings. I'd get them wings, them chicken tenders, that magic city. As a matter of fact, hey, Madge, I remember what you said at the barbershop.

I remember what you said. You're gonna name a meal after me. So I want that unk. I want that unk on the menu. Listen, let's take a trip to Atlanta. You get your girl. I get my girl. We just go in and just have some fun.

Just relax, unwind. Let your wings out, man. And woosah. Throw some ones. Ocho. Look, like I said, I ain't being it. But see, it's different, bro. I mean, Ocho, you can't go, bro. It's going to be on TMZ

and people taking pictures. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We in Atlanta. This is black Hollywood. Black Hollywood, we ain't got to deal with that. They not even going to bother us. It's just you need...

Listen, I'm going to tell you, you work a lot. You're doing a lot. You're doing a lot for a lot of people. You need a reset. You need a mental reset. You need some relaxation aside from something

that you haven't done in a very long time. And you could use that. And what better person to have with you than somebody like me that doesn't even do it. I don't even do it. When I want some rest and relaxation, I do get to Atlanta.

I go in my room. I get massages. I get my nails done. I go get a haircut. And I come out. I go to the kitchen. I eat. I go get a haircut Right See Oh come on man I come out I go to the kitchen I eat I go back in my room

I don't even cut the TV on I don't even cut the TV on You alive But you ain't living baby I got you I got you Nah I got you

I want I want my girl I want us to do stuff But going to the strip club That ain't That ain't one thing I want me her To do together.

That's the problem. That's the problem. You stuck in your box. You stuck in your ways. You have a routine and way that you do things. No, we can go. You know what, Ocho? She would have a better chance getting me going on vacation than getting me to go to a strip joint with her.

It ain't her. I asked you to go with me. I asked you to go with me. If you go with me, you real ain't going. Real ain't going. Oh me. If you go with me and you, Rel ain't going. Rel ain't going. Oh, just, okay. Just me and you. Yeah!

There we go. That's what I'm talking about. We can do that. Okay, next topic. As long as you say it again. Back to this list. Back to this list. Fellas, this list means nothing when a woman likes you. A woman that likes you will walk with you hand in hand toward a corner store. A woman

that truly likes you. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. And if you got to leave with money, if you got to leave with money, you already know what time it is. Get in, have your fun and keep it moving. Let me ask you a question. Where did you go on your first date? Do you remember your first date? McDonald's. You know that. I don't play. I don't play.

I don't play. And people that I've dated in the past, they're going to see this. With all due respect, I appreciate all y'all. We with the McDonald's. Hold on, man. Hold on. Baby.

I'm talking about the first date you ever went on. The first date. Man, I'm not playing now. I'm not playing. If you can't appreciate what I love the most, then you have no business going me to nothing, five-star, four-star, three-star, or two to nothing five star, four star, three star, or two. Yeah, baby.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Baby. Ain't no huh? Can you hear me? Tell Uncle we went for our first date. You heard him? No, but it's good. I believe you.

He can't hear you. You got a screen. He can't hear you. Baby. You heard him no but it's good i believe you he can't hear you you got a screen he can't hear you you heard her yeah i think yeah yeah and listen if she had if she if she frowned up or turned her nose up when i pulled through that drive-thru okay boom that would have been my last time seeing you nah what you here for you know what i think me i think me are you here for? Are you here for me? Are you here for me? Are you here for the free meal? I'm trying to think. If I'm not mistaken, you know, Ocho, I didn't go to the prom

in high school. You didn't go to prom? I didn't in high school. I started dating a young lady. What's her name? What's her name? She was,

no, she married, got two kids. I ain't gonna put nobody out there. And I think if I'm not mistaken, the prom, we ended up going to Red Lobster. Ooh, boy, them cheddar biscuits? Stop playing. Because here's the thing, Ocho.

Our coach, Coach Hall, we ran track. Track normally fell on prom. And Coach Hall said, what y'all want to do? Now, I'm trying to figure out, okay, I want to go to college what's the quickest route to get to college get to the nfl make some money so i can take care of my grandma i didn't think the problem was going to be the best use of my time right i like that

we would normally run having a track meet normally it was like reach it was either the region track meet or the state track meet. And so that was my thing. But if I'm not mistaken, I think Red Lobster was the first date that I went on. But, you know, I wonder how many people would have a problem with Red Lobster. I wonder how many people, listen, the cheddar biscuits at Red Lobster are top tier. Red Lobster number 11 on the list. Listen, let me tell you another thing that's top. Tell me you ever had the rolls at Piccadilly's.

You ever had the dinner rolls at Piccadilly's? Mm-hmm. Or you never been to Piccadilly's? No, I've never been to Piccadilly's, but there used to be a buffet called Morrison's. Morrison's, okay. And I think Piccadilly's, I think they merged. Probably the same thing.

I remember my sophomore year. Yeah. With the first time I had never heard the buffet. For real. I had never heard of a buffet. So coach, so I would attract team and we run a track coach said we run good. I'm going to take you guys to the buffet. I don't know no buffet, but hell, sound good. Let's go. Yeah's go so man so we get there and like you know coach you know coach is like paid

and I just see all this food I'm like so I'm looking around like so what we do we wait for somebody to come serve us you know what I'm saying I really had never really like been in a restaurant so I really don't know what how this thing is going to take

what's the deal they say nah man you just go around and get what you want i was like so i can get anything that's up here i can get you know they got chicken chicken tenders mac and cheese mashed potatoes baked potatoes all this they got ice cream cookies brown i'm like so i can get anything i want yeah man ocho i wasn't the only one that had never had a buffet or didn't know what a buffet was so we eat until we make us i mean me and a couple of my home a couple of our teammates we sick so guess what we do so hey i'm gonna take some of this stuff home to my sister to my grandma so. So I start getting napkins. I put chicken in my pocket. In your pocket? Yeah, I put chicken in my pocket.

Put some chicken. I had like two or three breads, some short thighs, some drumsticks. And so the coach sees us, but he don't say nothing. I got cookies in my hand. I got brownies. And I don't even really like brownies, but I know my grandma she like brownies

my sister goes to fried chicken so we get on the bus Coach Hall turns around he say suckers it's all you can eat not all you can eat and take out man we don't hey

everybody but I wasn't the only one though Cho I wasn't the only one but I always thought like when I went somewhere like that oh oh my grandma gonna get some of this food here. Oh, for sure. My sister, oh yeah, for sure.

And the funny thing, I'm looking at the list, I'm thinking, I see churches on there too. What do you think me and my grandma, me and my grandma, we went to Mount Olivet Baptist Church in Overtown.

Mount Olivet Baptist Church in Overtown. What do you think we went to eat at at the church every Sunday? Church is chicken. Why do you think I went to eat at at the church every Sunday? Church is chicken. Why do you think I told you I don't like okras? Being nosy, dipping my hand in her stuff.

Yeah. Come on, man. No, we went to Granny's house to eat. You know, because see, Sunday was the only time, see, I never had chicken.

I never had chicken on any other day but Sunday. Now, what you didn't get, what you didn't, if you didn't eat it all on Sunday, you got some other fried chicken on any other day but sunday now what you didn't get what you didn't all if you didn't eat it all on sunday you got some other fried chicken on monday but i never had chicken i never had fried chicken on any other day that's the only time that we got chicken was sunday my grandmother would cut you know my grandmother my aunts would cut it up and they

would fry it sunday morning you know obviously my grandfather got the two biggest pieces. And so we normally got, you get like a short thigh and a wing. You wouldn't get the breast. My grandfather got the breast. He got the best piece. But you might get a short thigh, drumstick, short thigh, wing, something like that. But they fried everything. So, you know, we eat the neck

and things like that. So, I was like, man. And then the next day, what you didn't eat, my grandfather, you know, got the flour and the water and she smother fried it.

So now we have fried chicken and whatever vegetable we had. And then we have smothered fried chicken and rice on Monday. But hot dogs was Friday, was Friday night. My grandmother normally got paid. Wait, hold on.

With baked beans? Hot dog with baked beans, right? You're doing too much, Ocho. We got the hot dog. Check this out. We got the hot dog that came fifth in the pack and they were like,

you remember them hot dogs that came fifth? Yeah. And they still had the plastic on them when you put them in. Yeah, those are the ones that we had.

And back then, you got bread, bread with three loaves for a dollar. You get three loaves of bread for a dollar. So we got those, my grandma bought that thing of 50 hot dogs. Man,

you talk about, like I said, a bun. Wait, you ain't had to forget, I know what you're talking about, but I mean, my mama, my grandma used to make the hot dogs, right? The same 50 fact you talk about. Yeah. Chop it up, the beans with the little talk about. Yeah. Chop it up. The beans with a little honey in the beans and mix it up.

What? No, no, no. Granny wasn't doing all that. You ain't. Look, my grandma didn't. We didn't. I mean, every once in a while. I mean, the only kind of like vegetables

that we like, my grandmother would buy was kind of like cream corn. But most of the stuff, it came from a garden. My grandmother planted a garden or the people that had farms, they had okra, they had squash, they had butter beans, they had field peas, things like that. And so you would pick on a share. So if you put, you pick two bushels, they got one, you kept one, you pick four, they got two, you got two. And then, you know,

you bring them home and then your thumb sore because you got to shell them. Yeah, but that, no, no, no, no, no. But it was, but I could, you know, that was, those are what, that's what I remember. Me and my brother, we talk about that all the time, man. You remember, you know, because my grandmother got paid on Friday, $197 every two weeks. $197. It's amazing how times have changed two weeks. $197. It's amazing how times have changed, man. Yeah, man.

And like everybody around me didn't have money like that, so it wasn't no thing to me. It wasn't no thing because once the summer comes, you know, we're going to be able to work in the field and we're going to be able to make it. So check this out, Ocho. Giannis said, LeBron James is the number one all time setting the blueprint for other NBA

superstars. Y'all have said some guys might say he's number two, but other guys like me say he's number one for 21 years. You never get in trouble to be able to take his family, protect his family, raise his kid the right way, you know, have to be happily married.

All those things. It's perfect. It's kind of like setting a blueprint for the rest of us to come forward. Now, I think Giannis, who's first or second best player currently playing, say LeBron James is the GOAT.

A lot of guys, a lot of current guys say it's Jordan or they say it's Kobe, and that's well within their right. I ain't here to debate. That's your opinion. I think it's LeBron. But what Kobe and that's well within their right I ain't here to debate that's your opinion I think it's LeBron but what do you take away what's your take away from what Giannis said listen I like what Giannis said

I like what Giannis said and when there's a standard that's set or there's a way to gauge someone you would like to be or someone that represents not just the NBA shield to the highest of it's highest order but someone that represents not just the NBA shield to the highest of its highest order, but someone that represents being a father, being a husband, doing everything the right way. Someone that had, I would think, probably the most expectations on their plate coming out of

high school is LeBron King James. He has the tattoo of chosen for a reason. And for him to be able to live up to that with all the pressures and all that that entails speaks volumes to this day. To this day. So some people, some people in preference will be Jordan. Some people in preference will be Kobe. I'm not sure who else is in the discussion as being the best of all time. But listen, what LeBron has been able to do since day one, since he stepped foot on the court,

21 years later, it's respectable and it's commendable. And it's really, it's hard. How do you argue that? How do you argue the fact? Because the facts are right there. You know, the thing is, I think even though he had these high expectations, I think by everybody's estimations, he's exceeded no matter what you thought he could or couldn't become,

he's exceeded your expectations. Yeah. And so for him to do it the way he has it, to play at the level that he has, and the criticism, because you know that social media is a different animal.

Because everybody now is a GM. Everybody now is a former NBA player. Everybody now is a head coach. And so now you've got a platform. I've got a platform. 500 million, a billion people have platforms to voice their opinion, opinion of what they think a certain player is or isn't.

And so for him to withstand that onslaught and a lot of people have taken unnecessary shots at him, but for him to block the noise out and because sometimes the noise can become deafening. Yeah. For him to do it his way and to surround himself, because a lot of times I don't know who his father figure was in his life. I think his mama Gloria glow Glo, did an unbelievable job.

Because think about it. He didn't go to college. So he didn't have a Dean Smith, Coach Smith. Or he didn't have a Coach John Thompson. Or he didn't have a Coach Bayheim. Or he didn't have a Coach K. And if you think about it, he didn't have one of these, a Coach Auerbach or a Phil Jackson or one of these great coaches.

This him figuring it out on his own. You drafted an 18, turns 19 and think about it. He says, you know what? I just think and surrounds himself with people that say, you know what? We don't want to hand out. We just want the opportunity.

Look what Rich Paul became. Look what Maverick Carter became. Look at what Randy Mills became. Can I tell you something real quick? Yes. This is a testament to where I was trying to guide you and take you a little bit. And I'm not going to preach to you today, but I want you to listen to everything that you just said. But you're leaving one important fact out.

We talk about LeBron. No, no, no, no, no. Stay with me now. We talk about LeBron and the pressures that he's had to face and the noise that's been deafening throughout his life. You talked about Gloria and the job that she's done, saying that he's never had the coaches that have inspired you throughout life and kept you on the right track. But there's one piece that was always in place. That was always in place to make sure, regardless of what was going on the outside, once he went home, he went home to peace. So that kept him in line.

And that was Savannah. And that is something that I've always told you. And I will tell everybody else that's out there listening and the credit and where it should go. Not just Jane, but sometimes when you have a woman's touch and a woman's guidance and a woman's vision, you might know where you want to go. You might know where you want to go, but there's one person that knows how to open that door and close it behind you to make sure you reach whatever that end goal may be. And what she was able to do for him, it speaks volumes on why he's been able to sustain

what he's done for such a very long time. Outside of the work he's had to put in, obviously, yes. But it all comes down to having that centerpiece to keep that entire household together. And she's the one. That's why I'm trying to get, I'm not,

I'm not done with you yet. But everybody is not, everybody's not wired like Savannah. She said her job was to be a wife, make sure her husband was straight and raise a family. You know, sometimes like I want my own,

I want to do, I want to do that. And it's kind of hard when you're mad to a professional athlete because he's going to be so demanding of your time. Right. And it's kind of hard when you're mad to a professional athlete because he's going to be so demanding of your time. And so for her to say, you know what, okay, you, I'm going to push you

to the front. I'll stand back. I'm going to... Because it's hard. When you like a LeBron or you date or marry to a Tom Brady or you marry to one of these historically iconic, they are very selfish the greater the player the greater the ego

and the greater his time restraints are to film study and his body and doing all these things and to grow and so a lot of the recitals and the practices and the taking to school and the carpool

lane he ain't in there. Savannah's doing that. And she's okay with that. Sometimes one can become envious. Well, when do I get a break? When are you going to take him to the school? When are you going to go to recital? When are you going to go to ballet?

When are you going to do this? But I don't know what goes on behind closed doors. I know who she is. I've never spoken to the woman. I know Bron had a couple of conversations with. But I'm sure it's not easy. Because you do. I mean, hey, sometimes I'm like, man, hell, I wish I could take a day off and not get up and have to go to work.

Right. But it's a 365, 24, 7. Yeah. 365. Listen, most definitely. Most definitely. And listen, it's difficult. I know it is.

But again, there's a reason why he set the blueprint. Yeah. Not just as a basketball player, but as a father and as a husband. Oh, man, it's unbelievable. It need to be studied. That's what we need to do.

For me, Ocho, if I had to do over again, if I could go back, okay, I'm going to go back and I'm going to start as a freshman in high school. Yes, sir. And instead of being a class clown and bulljabbing around, I'm going to do my work.

Now, even if I said, okay, I want to go back and I'm going to go back to Savannah State. Yes, sir. I would have been able to say no and not, you know, oh, you got this great body. Ooh, you fine. I want to

talk to you, blah, blah, blah, and run with it. I'd have got me one woman. I'd have settled my you-know-what down. It would probably save me about four, five million dollars, but that's neither here nor there. And I probably would have. Now, I don't regret.

You know, my kids love them. They're great. They forced me to become even more regimented, more disciplined, more determined, more dedicated. Because now I just worried about granny. I got my own responsibilities outside of granny, outside of my mom and my sister. Although I know my brother is a, it's a dual deal with my brother. That's helping my mom and my grandmother, my sister.

Now I got responsibility. That's not his responsibility or it's not our responsibility together of all the things I, I wish I had gotten married early, but you know what, you know what the great thing about life is. I wish I had gotten married early. But you know what? You know what the great thing about life is? The great thing about life is some people never graduate from high school.

Some people never graduate from college. But something hits them in life. And regardless of age, you can go back and get your degree. Yeah. Whether it's high school. Oh, so you want me to go back and get your degree yeah whether it's high school and you can go back and get your degree to college listen that is gonna

that listen that's gonna be my end goal as a part of this show no matter what we talk about no matter what we do the ups and the downs at the end of the day my sole goal

is to find your woman cause I can't wait and all I'm gonna say is I told you so at the wedding I'm gonna get up I'm gonna get up and say I have a I have a toast and the toast to say is I told you so at the wedding. I'm going to get up, I'm going to get up and say I have a toast. And the toast is going to be, I told you so.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, I hope it's butter and jelly on that toast because that's the only toast you're going to be giving to me. Calais Campbell says he spends between $200,000 and $300,000 on his body after studying Brady and LeBron. I know you played against Calais.

Big guy out of Denver, Colorado, wanted to be a tight end. I've talked to Calais and said, you know what, man, a big guy out of Denver, Colorado, wanted to be a tight end. I've talked to Calais and said, you know what, man, I want to be like you. But I kind of kind of grew out of the position and I couldn't catch the ball like you could. If you knew. What you know now. How how would it have changed your career or would you have done anything as far as training, as far as nutritional? What would you have done different knowing what you know now? Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have done a thing different. I respect individuals like LeBron and Tom Brady and the way they've taken care of their bodies and having to do some of the things that come with it.

Calais Campbell spending 200, 300,000. Obviously, he's a bigger individual than I am. And therefore, the wear and tear on his body might be a little different than it was for me. If I had to do it again, my diet and nutrition wouldn't change. The same thing I ate when I was in high school and through college, I ate it while I was in NFL. The way I train, you already know, still to this day, I'm a madman. I'm a madman. I got to be doing something. I got to be moving. I got to be doing something. And I played a very long time. I had no injuries. I had no injuries. So when Marvin Lewis appointed a nutritionist to our team, there was no reason for me to break what I was already doing because there was nothing wrong with it. There was nothing to fix.

There was nothing to fix. And I think I was very fortunate. I might be one of the most fortunate NFL players to ever play, to play an entire career and having no injuries outside of a dislocated, dislocated pinky, you know, a little, a little nick here, a little nick there, but nothing major where it would cause me to miss any time. Therefore, when it comes to nutrition and the talk about taking care of your body, it's like, to me, it just, everybody's different.

Everybody's body's different. So it's hard for me to compare. I can't say anything about LeBron. I can't say anything about Calais Campbell or any other players that take care of their body and having to spend money on it. To me, I think it's a mind thing. It's a mind thing. I get up, I train hard.

I get in the cold tub, I get in the hot tub. I never got massages. I don't want nobody touching me. I never got massages. Well, obviously get in the cold tub. I get in the hot tub. I never got massages. I don't want nobody touching me. I never got massages. Well, obviously, you bleed a cold tub. You got to have something to do with it, or you wouldn't have got in it. Oh, no, because I saw everybody was doing it,

so I just wanted to follow what everybody else was doing. No, no, no. Okay, you did that once or twice. You did that throughout your career. Yeah, because TJ, TJ Hushamazada and Carson Palmer told me, you should get in the cold tub. You're running yourself ragged. You're running...

Dude, let me tell you how I practiced. This is... I was... I want to say that word. I want to say the R word. I was ridiculous. I did a scout team.

I went out... I did a kickoff. I used to play the gunner. This is in practice just to get me in rhythm getting preparing for a game. T.O. was with us in 2010. T.O. pulled me to the side and said, man, what in the hell are you doing?

What are you doing? I'm taking all the goddamn snap. I said, this is how I always get ready for Sundays. He said, man, you running yourself ragged, man. You're going to be tired when the games come. I said, T, this is the way I practice it and I'm used to it. So that was one of the joys of having T there and having to show me how to manage my body and minimize some of the work

that I was putting in during the week. But that's all that I knew. And I think that's one of the reasons why I never got hurt. I put my body through the ringer constantly to where, you know what, when it was time to play and time to get hit and take those hits, I just get right up and keep on going.

What if you get in the hyperbaric chamber? What if you eating right? Instead of having 11,000 yards, you have 14,000. And instead of having 60 touchdowns, you had 90. How? How? I just told you I never got hurt. I didn't miss any time.

So where do those numbers come from, Madden? No, no. Maybe instead of that, maybe you break a tackle. Instead of having a 15-yard game, you get a 30-yard game. I never got tackled by the first man. Man, stop it, Ocho. You saw what I did to Ray. Don't play

me like that. No, I saw you got Flapjack. Nah, but listen. Another thing that I hate. People. Oh, I'm eating healthy. I'm eating healthy because it's going to help me perform better. No, it's not. No, it's not. Because how you perform is a skill set.

It's a skill set based on how hard you train and what God has blessed you with. And you're putting the two together, not the food. Saying, oh, if I eat salads and I eat healthy and I do all this nutrition stuff, all of a sudden I'm going to be Jerry Rice. No, you're not. No, no, no. Listen, I'm just saying, either Rice. No, you're not. No, no, no. Either you're good or you're not. No, I'm not. That's it. But I do believe,

I mean, but like you said, it's a mindset. You don't believe, see, the fact that you don't believe it's going to help, it's not going to help. There's a reason why doctors tell you that, there's a reason why doctors tell you when you have surgery to keep a positive mind. Right.

Right. Because the mind really controls the body. So you're not going to get the benefits out of it because you're already going in with a negative mindset. Even if you're not going in with a negative mindset, I'm using common goddamn sense and logic. Telling me what I put in my body is going to help me perform is a goddamn lie. It's a lie. I disagree. I disagree.

Either you're good at your craft or you're not. If you're telling me, oh, I'm eating salads, that means when somebody's in front of me playing man to man, oh, I'm going to be able to get open and create separation because of what I put in my body. That's not the way that works. No, you have a C, but you're having a single.

But see, here's the thing. I believe the guy that trains hard has the better nutritional. I think that helps. I'm not saying that somebody. Helps with what? In what area? Your body. Because when you get on the field, it's based on your skill set.

Your skill set, nothing more. But let me ask you a question. So why don't they put regular, why they don't put regulated gas in high performance cars if it didn't make a difference? Come on with the car analysis. No, I'm just saying. So what's your body?

What's your body? Is your body not a machine? Yes or no? Yes, it's my temple. It's my temple. Why would you, why you wouldn't put the highest nutritional...

They got you believing that 97 is the healthy shit. That's how they fool you into selling their product. Well, here's the thing, Ocho. What I did is that I tried it for myself. Right.

See, yes. I could have like, nah. I said, but let me see. And then I saw what it did what did it do? mentally that's what it did I saw the changes in my body I saw the changes when I made

the switch in 93 I said you know what I'm going to bring my own food to work I'm going to start eating like this I'm going to start training like this I saw the benefits now obviously all these hyperbaric chambers and all this other stuff that came around, these physio guys

that had these guys, these personal trainers, there's a reason why. There's a reason why, Ocho. All that's a money grab, man. Can I ask you a question? How many years you played? I played 14. You ever been hurt? Yes. You had any surgeries?

Yeah. Nobody had any surgeries? Yeah. Nobody had surgeries? I fractured my eye socket. Oh, eye socket. Okay. What else? What else? Broke my collarbone.

Broke your collarbone. What else? Had scoped on my ankle a couple of times. Oh, your ankle. Oh, your knees too. Mm-hmm. I ain't had nothing wrong with me., your knees too. I ain't had nothing wrong with me. Yeah, but see. I ain't had nothing wrong with me.

But see, you out there with the pretty boy. See, I'm out there playing in the bank. I was in the trenches. No, you weren't. I was in the trenches, and I played reckless. Nah. Check my resume and check the film. You outside the numbers, bro.

I saw you one time. I saw you one time inside the hash and everybody saw how I ended listen what era of football that I play in AFC North 2000 Ravens

Steelers Browns bro they had yes bro they had don't do that they had to relax

the incidental contact bro stop that relax the rules stop playing man why you playing on my top like that McDonald's my whole career no injuries Bro, stop that. Relax the rules. Stop playing, man. Why are you playing on my top like that?

McDonald's, my whole career. No injuries. Just think about what you could have been. I was. I was him. What you could have been. I was him. If you take all the top-end guys, you look at the guys that played.

Jerry. Look at Walter Payton. Look at Tom Brady. Look at Jordan. Look at Kobe. Look at LeBron. Look at all the high-end guys. What did they do? Let me tell you something. Everybody trying to be like them, you ain't

going to be naying one of them. No, but what if you could be a better version of them? Jordan ate McDonald's. Usain Bolt ate McDonald's. Usain Bolt ate McDonald's. Not when he was training for the Olympics. Not when he was training for the Olympics. I'll call Michael

right now. I'll call Michael right now and let him tell you. I'll call Michael hold on. You want me to call him? Don't do that. Michael Jordan ate McDonald's. Talk to me now. Chicken McNuggets. Before the game. Ocho, you could eat anything in moderation. And listen, why do we continue to use

the highest of iconic athletes as examples is beyond me because nobody is going to be like them Is that what you strive for? Let me ask you a question. Do you take financial advice from anybody that ain't got money? Yes or no? You listening to Elon Musk.

You listen to the guys that built businesses. I don't take financial advice from nobody but myself. That's why I still got all my goddamn money. Period. Now listen to me. I did it. I did it with no injuries, so you're not going to tell me the way I did it don't work.

Because it worked. Because you had 37 surgeries and I ain't had none. Ocho. Yes, sir. So what if the difference... Ocho, but think about it. Ain't no difference. Ocho, think about it. How many seventh round picks after the merger made it to the Hall of Fame?

How many... Hold on. Give me a second. I'm going to give you the floor. How many seventh round picks become on to be an All-Pro and go to eight Pro Bowls? How many? Keep going. Can you finish?

Can I finish? Can I go? Go ahead. Can I go? How many young kids out of Liberty City beat the odds and then end up dead or in jail from selling dope? Let me finish. You let me finish.

Let me finish. Let me finish. How many kids from Liberty City made it to the NFL and was a full-time All-Pro, six-time Pro Bowler, name cemented, legacy cemented, name in the stadium? How many? I ain't got no yellow jacket, but I made my own. And that's sufficient enough for me. How many people live in Liberty City?

Why don't you say the population of Liberty City is? Now or back then? Back then. I'm talking about in the 80s when it was a war zone. In the early 90s when it was a war zone. I'm talking about during the dope era.

How many people you think live in Liberty City? Liberty City. I'm not sure. 15,000, 20,000, 30,000? Oh, no. I wouldn't even sit here and throw a number out there

because I don't know. I'm just being honest. I don't want to play that game. I don't know, honestly. Well, where I grew up at, it was 3,500 people. What's the likelihood of you getting two out of 3,500? What's the

likelihood of me even surviving and getting the opportunity to even play? So let me ask you a question. Are there any other players that came out of Liberty City that played in the NFL? Yeah. It's a few right now. Do you understand what Liberty city i came out of no you don't yes ocho 80s 90s liberty city it was ugly yes

it was ugly ocho my chances of getting out was this ocho Ocho. I ain't talking about. The odds. Yes, the odds were stacked against you. Way against. Yes. But you beat the odds. Now, just imagine. Look, like I said,

in your mind, you don't believe that nutrition, proper, you know, massage, physio, all that. You don't believe it worked. We've done a poll. We got over 2,000 votes.

83% believe that nutrition matters. What are 83%? Who they play for? 2,000. Who they play for? See, hold on. Now you're doing the argument. Now you're trying to invalidate people because they didn't play sports. No, no, no.

No, because if you didn't play the game and you think nutrition matters, what are you using as the fact that nutrition works? What are they going to say? Oh, I'm great. LeBron did it. No, you're never going to be

those individuals. They are once in a lifetime. Let me ask you a question. Are there more athletes like you that eat whatever they want, that don't believe, or are there more athletes that eat nutrition?

I guarantee you there are more athletes like me than there is that eat healthy. And I can guarantee you that, especially in today's game. I can guarantee you that. I disagree. Let's bet.

Let's bet. I disagree. Let's bet. Let's bet. Because you see all... Let's bet. I disagree. I don't know how we quantify.

You know what? Why do you think... Can I ask you a question? Why do you think the injuries are up higher? Why do you think the injuries are more significant now than as opposed to before? Because...

Can I tell you why? Let me finish. Let me tell you. Can I tell you why, please? Please, real quick. I love you to death. The injuries are up higher because they eating all this

motherfucking healthy shit. You play a barbaric sport. You play a barbaric sport running 100 miles an hour, running into each other, but you eating like a goddamn rabbit and you expect to survive a 17-game season, but you eat like a goddamn rabbit.

It ain't going to work. Something has to give. You know what's giving? Your fucking body and its ligaments. I believe a reason why the injuries. I know what I'm talking about. I believe the guys are getting bigger, stronger, and faster. But I also believe that the guys don't put their bodies through the rigors.

They don't practice hitting during the course of the week like we once did. And so now you're asking a car that hasn't been driven at 100 miles an hour during the week that says, you know what, on Sunday, go 100 miles an hour without being warmed up. That is my belief. There is no way to definitively determine it. But do you believe the guys are bigger, stronger, and faster? Yes or no?

Do you believe the guys in the NFL are bigger, stronger, and faster than they were in the 50s, in the 60s, in the 70s? Do you believe guys are getting bigger, strong and faster? Yeah, they are. Okay. So that means, so that means the, so hold on, let me ask you a question. So that means the collisions. Cause you can't even hit no goddamn body today. You can't even hit nobody today. You can't even hit no goddamn body today.

Don't do that. You just, you just, you can hit them. Kareem Jackson just got suspended four games for playing football the way we did in the 2000s. But hold on. You can't even hit nobody no more. You could hit them. It's just a penalty now. And we understand that they're trying to make the game.

And we understand with the lawsuits, with the CTEs and things of that nature, we understand. Yes, yes. But all I know is that we got 2,900 votes and 83% says yes, nutrition plays a role. They don't know what they're talking about

because ain't none of that 83% could cover me. Ain't none of that 83% could cover me and I'm out there on two cheeseburgers and what you gonna do with me? Nothing. Nothing. We got 3,000 votes. Oh, so they ain't doing it with your bar. They lying. That's what I was able to do right there. Wait a minute. Let me come up nothing we got 3,000 votes Ocho they ain't doing it with your bar they lying

that's what I was able to do right there wait a minute let me come up what you talking about Ocho you a stick figure you a strong man what you talking about man I ain't the only one what you talking about man

what you talking about man you ain't the only one. Yeah, look at that. You laughing. It's 230. What you talking about, man? Look at that, man. Solid, boy.

Ocho, you a buck 60. You might be a buck 60. Man, look at this, man. What you talking about, man? I just look like this, man. You made me come up out of my shirt, man. Man, Ocho, you wild, bro. You wild.

Nah, but listen, that's a good topic. I just honestly, you know, I know I play around a lot, but in all seriousness, for me, nutrition, I just felt if it wasn't broke, there was nothing for me to fix. It worked for me. It might not work for the next person.

I knew and understood my body. If they understand and know their body, you do whatever works for you, man. I thought that same way until I tried it and then I saw like, man, I had more energy. I had more stamina. I was able to recover. But hey, like I said, it's

up here. If you don't believe it's going to help, it ain't going to work for you. I believed it. Mind is a powerful thing. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for tuning in to another episode of Nightcap. I'm your favorite, Sheldon Sharp.

He's your favorite, number 85. One of the best route runners. He's number two on the route runner list. He's number three on the route runner list. Why every time I get hot, you be ready to get off? Nah, because I got to go to work tomorrow. Hey, Ocho, I got some bad news for them. There will be no episode

of Nightcap on Thursday. My daughter's celebrating. We had a celebration week. And normally, I would have foregoed that. But at this time of my life now, my kids have sacrificed enough.

They used to sacrifice going to the amusement park, going to the zoo, going to things, going out. So daddy could could could live, fulfill his dream, working out, training, getting ready. Well, I didn't work out. I trained. And so now when it comes to the kids, work takes a backseat. Work takes a backseat. So Thursday I'm going to be at the game with my daughter to see the Lakers open up against the sun. So she's excited about that. She's like, dad, this is one of the best birthday weeks I've ever had. We saw a day, we We saw Usher on Friday.

We saw Adele. And then we're going to cap it off with seeing King James take on Kevin Durant and Devin Booker. So I'm excited about that. I'm going to miss you guys on Thursday. But you best believe I'll be back and ready to go on Sunday. Yeah, I like it. I like it.

So thank you for tuning in how many do we do did we do okay tonight with the views wow we have 17,000 tonight Ocho wait we finna get off yeah we finna get off thank you for tuning in to another episode of Nightcap with Unc and Ocho

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We're growing faster than we ever imagined. Thank you. It shows that you really appreciate our content. You appreciate our authenticity. Like I said, you come for the football takes, the sports takes, but you stay for the stories. And we got a bunch more to go. So thank you.

God bless. And we'll see you Sunday. I love y'all. Call me if you need me. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there,

and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair.

The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast.