Nightcap - Nightcap - Broncos Comeback, Zach Wilson Benched, LeBron Goes Off, Sucking Toes

Episode Date: November 20, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson discuss the Broncos’ amazing win over the Vikings (6:00), the Jets finally benching Zach Wilson (14:00), CJ Stroud continuing to defy expectations (27:00), the greatness of LeBron James (48:00), and so much more. #Club #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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loved one, and greatly appreciate that. So let's jump into this game, Ocho. The Broncos beat the Vikings 21-20. Russ was 27-35, 259, one touchdown. The Broncos almost let this thing slip away, kicked five field goals. Josh Dobbs of the Minnesota Vikings was 20-32, 221, one touchdown, one interception, one fumble.

What was your takeaway from tonight? I mean, the takeaway from tonight? I mean, the takeaway from tonight was obviously Josh Dobbs did everything he possibly could to win the Vikings this game. On the other end, Russell Wilson played okay football. He played okay football. In times like games like tonight, what Courtland Sutton did, having to save your quarterback. Yeah. I call it HBO.

Help a brother out. Yeah, for sure. That's exactly what Courtland Sutton did multiple times. He did it last week against the Bills, and he did it again tonight and saved Russell Wilson, a ball that he threw up that was basically covered up. It was basically covered. Yeah. But he went up and said, I got this.

I got you. I got you. I got you. He said it. That's what a number one's supposed to do, Ocho, in a situation like that. I've got to have confidence that I can put the ball up and either it's going to be a catch or it's going to be an incomplete. But under no circumstances can that be a turnover in that spot. Right. I'm trusting you, Cortland Sutton.

I believe in you. I believe that you're better than the guy that I'm throwing this ball up against. So either one of two things need to happen. It's a touchdown or it's an incomplete. The latter, an interception, cannot happen. And Cortland Sutton did a great job. Russell did a great job of putting the ball up, giving him an opportunity to make the play.

But I thought Russell Wilson played really well given the circumstances. Now, yeah, you would like to see them get the ball into the end zone on some of those red zone positions also, Ocho, because remember I told you, normally when you kick field goals, you lose ball games. And they kicked five of them. But I thought that final drive, that was Russ. I was

not pleased with the game plan that Sean Payton called in that final drive because if you think about it, Ocho, they were all check downs to Pete Ryan or to Devontae. But about it, Ocho, they were all check downs to Pete Ryan or to Javante. But that's a good thing. They were all check downs because the defense, they played back. They played back. So that's the one thing you want to do is you want to check it down and get as many yards

as you can and get out of bounds. He did a great job of not forcing it. But I thought Russ made some plays, did some great things with his legs. He took some sacks early. But at the end of the day, the reason why the Broncos won this game is because the turnovers. The turnover, they won the turnover battle.

They could have gotten more. Josh Dobbs put the ball on the ground a couple of times, but they were unable to come away with it. But they came away with the ones that they needed to. And like you said, in a situation like that, okay, they said, okay, we're going to bend. We're not going to break because you need a touchdown to beat us.

We're going to give you something. But here's the thing. Once you start giving them momentum, they're getting first downs and first downs. Now they're going to get into a rhythm. And before you know it, they're inside the 20. And now you're like, okay, now what do we do? And there's over a minute left in the ballgame.

The Broncos defense did a great job of taking the ball away. But you like to see them, like I said ball away, but you like to see them, like I said, Ocho, you like to see them catch some of those possessions and get touchdowns. And I don't think the game comes down

to a final possession if they score a couple of touchdowns. Yeah, well, you put that pressure on your quarterback and your offensive coordinator to have to go down and score with a minute

left on the clock. But what I do like, and what I will say about the Broncos is obviously after a one and4 rocky start, after a tumultuous turmoil relationship between Russell Wilson and Sean Payton, they've won the last four games.

Yes. They've won the last four games. Russell Wilson, to this point right now, we're in Week 10. Week 10, right? Yes. In Week 10, Russell Wilson is sitting at 18 TDs and four interceptions on the season. 19 now. Yeah, 19 now.

Last year, he only had 16 TDs total. Yes. Total. Career low and everything. Yeah, career low and everything. That maturation of relationship between Sean Payton and Russell Wilson is cooking to where it should be. They put the seasoning on it. It ain't cooked all the way be. They put the seasoning on it. It ain't cooked all the way yet.

They put the seasoning on it. And as time progresses, I think we're going to see something similar to what Drew Brees and Sean Payton had over in New Orleans. It ain't going to get there just yet. I think by towards the end of the season, they're going to catch that momentum offensively. They're going to gel together as coach and quarterback. And I think going into next year, we're going to get to see the Russell Wilson we're used to seeing.

Yeah, I think Jerry Judy would love to have that opportunity back. Russ hit him in the arms and he dropped that one. Wait, did he did he drop it or was it the you don't think he didn't get his hand on it? No, he had he had it. I mean, what happened was the guy flashed him. You know how when somebody you know, get right in front of you.

And you lose it for a split second. Split second. That's all it takes. And I think that's what really happened. But he played well up until that game.

That's one he loved to have back. The thing is is that you don't have to worry about what could have, should have, would have been if Judy catches that ball.

Because Courtland Sutton jumps up and he saves the day. And that's what you expect. Like I said, if you're a true number one, the quarterback has to have confidence that he can put the ball up in most situations. And it's either going to be a catch or it's going to be an incomplete catch.

One or the other. So congratulations to the Broncos. If I'm not mistaken, Ocho, I think they got five, nine, they got 12 turnovers in their last three games. Yeah, the defense is playing crazy. You'll win a lot of them. Go ahead.

Yeah, I was getting ready to piggyback off what you were getting ready to say. When you're turning the ball over like that, obviously you want touchdowns out of those turnovers. Yes. But you're going to win a lot of ball games when you're turning over the ball at the rate that they are, especially in the second i i considered the second half of the season because the first half half of the season their defense it was the true it was atrocious yes it was horrible gave up a 70 piece horrible and i'm not sure what more yeah i'm not sure what turned around in such a short short short amount of time but they are playing great football

defensively they are but you know what i Ochoa? I'm watching this game. Sean Payton's got to open this offense up. You can't keep running the ball on F and first down. Because you get back to the line, now it's second and 10. It's second and 10. It's second and 9. It's second and 8. I have a question. Do you think he has the confidence

to put the ball in Russell Wilson's hand and say, here, take the game over. I'm going to give the game to you and put it in your hands to win? Or do you think he want to play conservative? Well, he's playing conservative. But you've got a quarterback that you're heavily invested in. I'm not saying that you go, you know, you throw the ball 50 yards down the field. But I'm saying you got to be, it's too generic.

You know how hard it is when you run the ball on first down and you go back to the line of scrimmage and it's second and eight. It's second and 10. It's second and 12. Because a lot of times they were getting trapped behind the line of scrimmage and they were either getting thrown for a loss or they were barely getting back to the line of scrimmage. And so now you're putting the onus.

Now you need an extra two yards just to make the first down. Right, right, right, right. owners. Now you need an extra two yards just to make the first down. Right, right, right. I just think, me personally, I just think it's too tough to ask your offense time after time to overcome second and ten, second and nine. Let them get some second and fours. Let it be some second

and threes in there. Make it easy. Make it manageable. Now I can really open up the playbook. Right. But when you're constantly fighting at the sticks or behind the sticks man Ocho you know how hard it is to overcome in that the other game yeah most definitely the only still there are only so many play calls that you have for for third and eighth third and twelve listen that playbook shrinks significantly. Yes, yes. The Bills beat the Jets 32-6.

Robert Sala only now is willing to beat bench Zach Wilson. Ocho, Zach Wilson was 7-15, 81 yards and a touchdown. Backup, I think his name is Tim Boyle, 7-14 in interception. And what have I preached to you since the moment we came on? I said, Mike Shanahan told me something in 1995. He said, 84, I'll never accept anything in a win. I wouldn't in a loss.

And what was happening? Zach Wilson was playing bad, but nobody was willing to call it out because you were winning. And now he played the exact same way. His stat line looks a lot like he did when he was winning. Now it's become unacceptable. unacceptable you know why because you accepted it when he was winning instead of correcting us in fact this is not good enough everybody say you can win with this you see i'm telling you you cannot consistently overcome bad quarterback play right it's just like

overcoming a bad diet you can it's hard it It's virtually impossible for you to out-exercise a bad diet. It's impossible down there to constantly try to overcome. And the defense played good up until a point. And then he started going three and out, three and out, three and out. Turnover, turnover, turnover. And that defense finally broke. And you saw Quinny Williams getting upset on the sidelines because it's come to a head.

How much more can I endure while the other side of the ball ain't carrying their side of the mail? I think it's really tough. Obviously, to almost a fault. I've done all I can

to support Zach. Almost to a fault. Even when things haven't been going well, because I want to see him do well. I understand what it's like to not just play quarterback, but to play quarterback in that media in New York. I understand that. And I was hoping, I was wishing, and still I have a great love of Zach Wilson and what he has accomplished to this point. It hasn't come into fruition on what we'd like to see for me as a fan and will still remain a fan of Zach Wilson. I hope for the best for him. But the quarterback play like that, you can't do it.

You can't do it. You can't win with that. As much as I'd like to have something to say positive in a way and be constructive, you got to take the blame for what's going on. Obviously, 7 for 15 for 61 yards, a TD interception is unacceptable. It's unacceptable. And to me, I thought, and I'm not sure if there is a better choice at the quarterback helm. I'm not sure Boyle is going to be much better, but it's unfortunate. And I hate to see it. I hate to see a player get benched because I know what that does to the psyche. I know what it does to the mental. I know what it does for someone's confidence.

And I was hoping at some point that he you know, he was able to manage the game. Just don't lose it for him. Just keep us in the game and allow the defense to do what they did. Just don't turn the ball over. Manage it. Try to be as efficient as possible offensively. And maybe, you know, it comes down to a field goal or maybe a defensive stop at the end of a game to give you guys an opportunity to win. But today, you know, I think, you know, it was the straw that broke the camel's back and Salah had no choice but to bench him. You know, it's something I didn't want to see. And that, that, that, that, that should, that should bother me, man. It bothered me because I really want to see young bull win. I think the biggest thing is though, Joe, if you're not going to be the reason

that we win, you can't be the reason we lose. It's really simple. It's really simple when you're not going to be the reason that we win. You can't be the reason we lose. It's really simple. It's really simple. When you're a quarterback of his playing like he does. Now we understand there is expectation from these other quarterbacks, whether it's Dak, whether it's Patrick Mahomes, if you're playing like he's playing, you cannot be the reason why we're losing this game. If you're not going to be the reason why we win,

you can't be the reason why we lose. And so in a situation like this, look, Brees Hall can't get going because they say we're going to put nine in the box. We're not going to let you run the ball. And you see what happens when he can't break off a big run for 80 yards and the defense can't turn you over four times and put that offense on a short field. You see how mundane that offense looks?

The quarterback play is just an L. And I agree with you. There's no guarantee that Tim Boyle will be any better than Zach Wilson. But at this point, Ocho, you've got to try something. Because if you continue to try this ass out there, you're going to lose this locker room. Because the other guys are practicing,

they're meeting, they're working their asses off, and here's a guy over here, and it's not getting done. Because at the end of the day... I'm sure... They're meeting, they're working their asses off. And here's a guy over here and it's not getting done. Yeah. Because at the end of the day... I'm sure. Yeah. But I'm sure Zach is doing the same thing.

He's in there practicing. He's in there studying, you know, watching film, working with receivers after practice. I'm sure he is because what you want to do when you get to the point where it's as bad as it is, is you're doing everything you can, you know, to hope and hope that the results show on Sundays or Mondays for whatever it may be, but it's just not happening for him. And I hate the fact that the finger is pointed at Zach only.

I'm sure there are other spots and I'm not going to get into that. I'm sure there are other reasons that things aren't going well for him. But you don't understand how hard it is. I'm sure there are other reasons that things aren't going well for him, but you don't understand how hard it is. I'm not being bullshit. I bullshit you not how hard it is to be critical of Zach and understanding how difficult it is to play the quarterback position in New York.

They've been harping on him since he got there, and nothing, it seems like nothing is going his way. Yeah, I think the thing is that, yeah, it's tough. It's tough on everybody, Ocho. It's not an easy job. Granted, the quarterback position is a really tough position to play. But hell, let me ask you a question.

If a quarterback was going out there playing, if he was playing the equivalent of Zach Wilson, would they continue to put him out there? No, they wouldn't. If an offensive lineman was playing the equivalent of Zach Wilson, would they continue to put him out there? If a linebacker, if a wide receiver,

if a tight end, if they were playing the equivalent of how Zach Wilson is playing, would they continue to put him out there? Right. Because at the end of the day,

as a coach, Ocho, you're not just responsible for one. You're responsible for all. It's kind of like being a parent. You're not just responsible for the oldest kid or the baby. You're not just responsible for one. You're responsible for all. It's kind of like being a parent. You're not just responsible for the oldest kid or the baby. You're responsible for all the kids.

Robert Sala owe it to his locker room to put the best 53 out there, no matter how much money they make, no matter where they were drafted. Because at the end of the day, you know I cared about, oh, he went in the first round. He deserved to play. Not if he didn't deserve it. You don't get what you deserve. You get what you earn.

If you don't earn playing time, you don't deserve playing time. We've got to stop this notion. Because guess what? If you're an offensive lineman and you're starting, they don't never say, well, who they going to put in there? They put the backup in there, right, Ocho? Yeah. When you're running back and you have a problem fumbling't never say, well, who they going to put in there? They put the backup in there, right, Ocho? Yeah. When you're a running back and you have a problem

fumbling the football, what they do? Well, who's better? They put the backup in there. Yeah. But it's one thing to it. The funny thing about it is the backup is the backup

for a reason because the person in front of them is actually, is better. That's just what it is. I'm not sure what Mr. Boyle is going tolan gonna do i wish mr boyle the best of luck i have a question for you though do you think this benching is a benching for the remainder of the season and and mr boyle is going to take over at the helm as a just quarterback or do we stick with do we stick with zach i i is is there's ro, does Robert Salah talk to the team,

talk to the team captain to see what they want to do? I'm, I'm, I'm what, what route do you go as a head coach here? What do you do? You already know what the team wants to do. The team wants to go in a different direction.

That quarterback. Can Tim Boyle be any worse than Zach? So at worst case, that words come to worse. You lose the game. What the hell are you doing with that we losing the game right i mean we ain't got it what do they always say oh joe what you got what do you got to lose

right that's that's frustrating that's for it's frustrating for me and i'm not i'm not even playing it's it's frustrating for me and i'm not even playing. It's frustrating for me, and I'm not even playing. I feel for Garrett Wilson. I feel for Lazard. I feel for Brees. I want them boys to succeed so bad simply because the media is killing my guy, Zach Wilson. They're killing him. I want him to succeed so bad.

But Ocho, I think the thing is that it's not like they're going out of their way. He's playing bad. Yeah, you're right. And sometimes we've got to stop saying me pointing out something. Right, right, right, right. I'm not even talking about you.

I'm just saying in general. Oh, it's just saying you. I'm just saying in general It ain't Oh it ain't It's just saying you I'm just saying The media darlings in general I'm talking about Over the The landscape of Of it in general

It's just It's just on him And I can just imagine What it does to his mental You know Right If he's not built like that If he's not strong like that

Like mentally Like I like that I like everybody Jumping on my head And talking about me It gives me It's like I operate differently You know And I'm not sure He operates the same way Because he hasn't Like, I like that. I like everybody jumping on my head and talking about me. It gives me, it's like I operate differently, you know?

And I'm not sure he operates the same way because he hasn't, he's yet to recover from that. And give me the Zach Wilson I was used to seeing come out of college with that swag, with that, as they call it, moxie, you know? Ocho. Ocho.

There's a difference playing for books and playing for mortgages and private school tuition. And you know there have been a lot of great college football players that when they come to the league, it's a whole different animal here. This is the Serengeti. The NFL is the Serengeti. And only the strongest will survive. You have to be tough, not only physically, but emotionally, psychologically. Yeah.

And you have to have turtle shell. You have to have turtle skin because there are going to be games in which you don't play well. And the outside noise is going to become deafening. You're going to have to be able to block that out. Yeah. And stay the course. I don't care how great a player is he has faced criticism at some level be it tom brady be it peyton manning be it joe montana be it emmy smith jerry rice yeah you're

going to face how do you handle that see strip isn't isn't getting somewhere. It's overcoming something that you didn't think you could. Right. So we'll learn a lot more about Zach Wilson because he got benched last year. They was wearing the backup quarterback's jersey on the road, Ocho. It's the same thing in Philly. You remember in Philly when they had Nick Foles and Carson Wentz? Yeah. And they built a shrine to Nick Bowles.

They built a shrine. Imagine, Ocho, you in your locker room, they're building a shrine to TJ. Yeah. And you're like, hold up, wait a minute. What y'all doing? Right. I mean,

that's crazy. I've never been on a team like that, Ocho. I've never been on a team like that Ocho I've never been on a team and I've been on teams where you know Trent came in for Tony Banks Trent Dilfer yeah Trent Dilfer yeah yeah yeah we knew it was the right thing to do

because Tony was turning the ball over and it's great and it's historic and we had a historic defense. Now, we knew if, man, if we could just go 10 points, if we get 10 early, it's over. Oh, you're good. It's over. You're good.

I believe if the Jets could get to 10 early, but they always fall behind before you know it. And then the defense has to stand on their heads, get takeaways, scooping scores, pick sixes, punt blocks, and things like that. It's hard to do that every single game. In order to think about it, Ojo, you like to get turnovers,

but you can't go into the game expecting your defense to get more games. Yeah, that's crazy. This ain't a video game. This is real life. No, exactly. So, we don't know. We'll find out what decision Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy. This ain't a video game. This is real life. No, exactly. This is real life. Exactly. So we don't know. We'll find out what decision Robert Saleh is going to make.

What would you do? What would you do? If you were Robert Saleh, what would you do? I'm going with Tim Boyle. I got to. I don't have no choice. I'm going to lose the locker room if I don't. If I haven't already lost it. Right.

He ain't losing the locker room, no. But I understand what you're saying. Try to drag Wilson back out there. Try to back out there. God, that's tough, man. That's tough. That's tough, man. Jesus Christ.

CJ Stroud and the Texans beat the Cardinals 21-16. He had three interceptions. 27-36, 3-36, two touchdowns, three INTs. The only thing that I'm going to say about this is that against better teams, Ocho, you can't do that. That's the card.

You do that against Jacksonville. You do that against Baltimore. You do that against Kansas City. You're going against Baltimore. You do that against Kansas City. You're going to lose those games. Yeah. And so the only and the one in the end zone can't take points off the board. It's Tampa 2. The guy rails.

Guy runs to the runs to the. So it's Tampa 2. It looks like cover 2, but the Mike backer is running. So it's really like 3D. 3D. Yeah. You can't, you can't do that.

You can't, you can't make that throw. Take the points. Yeah. Listen, Stroud has played phenomenal up to this point. He's played phenomenal up to this point. And the funny thing about it is to turn the ball over three times

and still overcome that and still win the game and pull it out is a testament to how good he really is even if they're playing the arizona cardinals probably it wouldn't work against the better teams baltimore kansas city maybe jacksonville yeah dolphins you know yeah teams of that magnitude but the fact that he can overcome it, throw in a set like that, and still have a game like he had. Dude, he was 27 for 38 for 336, man. Yeah, two does.

Man, we talk about a rookie, man. Every week is something different. Something different that veterans are doing that have been playing the game for a long time. He's acting like he's been here before. Palm, poise in the pocket, his ability to process, read,

listen, I done seen, I done seen him go from one to two to three, the back to one. Yeah. His anticipatory skills are second to none.

He has a great, like you said, you know, a lot of times we get so caught up on, what's that? The wonder link and, oh, the test and this. Bro, I don't want nobody taking tests. If the guy gets 50 on the wonder link, I want him as my

agent or my accountant. That don't mean he's going to be good at quarterbacking. It don't have nothing to do with playing a game of football. Nothing at all. Nope. Nothing at all. I see a lot of smart guys. There are a lot of guys on Wall Street that works for Google, and ain't one of them going to be able to throw no pass. And there's a lot of guys that can throw pass

and ain't going to have no job in corporate America. And that's okay, too. But we need to stop putting so much emphasis where he didn't test well. And he took the test when he played college. Did you watch him throw the ball? Yeah. That's the test. That is the test. Turn on the film. That's took the test when he played college. Did you watch him throw the ball? Yeah. That's the test. That is the test.

Turn on the film. That's all that matters. That's all that matters. And you know what I like? Not only what I like, not about just CJ Stroud. This is how I know his name is in the MVP conversation, as it should be. As it should be.

For sure. And he's going to win Rookie of the Year too, right? Yeah, he's going to win that. Okay. The schedule that they have left is favorable, not just for C.J. Stroud, but for the Texans in general. They got the Jags, winnable.

They already beat the Jags. They already beat the Jets. Divisional game, winnable. They got the Broncos, winnable. They got the Jets game, winnable. They got the Broncos. Winnable. They got the Jets. Very winnable. Very winnable because obviously, if you can get up on them

early, you'll be fine. Titans, I don't know what Titans game, I don't know what Titan team we gonna see. Right. I don't know what Titan team we gonna see. The Browns, ugh, it gets iffy because that goddamn defense is hell. We're gonna talk about them a little later. They just signed Joe Flacco, but their defense is outstanding.

Miles Garrett right now is the defensive player of the year. There are a lot of great players. I watched Danell Hunter tonight. Over TJ Watt? I got... TJ Watt has been phenomenal. Danell Hunter had a great game. Micah had two and a half sacks, I think two, two and a half sacks

today. But that Myles Garrett, Ocho, every game. Yeah, it's something. Every game, he giving folks that work. Yeah. So right now, my defensive player of the year is Myles Garrett. Tank Dale put up another monster today. He got 42 catches, Ocho, 659 yards, six receiving touchdowns. I think he went with it.

Real deal. Yeah, Tank, Tank. yards, six receiving touchdowns. I think he's winning. Real deal. Yeah, Tank, Tank. Well, they gave him the right name. I don't know if that's his real name or mama just called him Tank. But he running slap over, folks. He running by and over him. Yeah, man, Tank is a real deal. He's one of the few receivers in the NFL.

Obviously, even with him being a rookie, I would put him, and people probably aren't going to understand, I would put him right now, top five route runners in the league. Top five. I've never seen any, but there are a few people that can do it that can accelerate, stop on a dime, re-accelerate

and get him getting in and out of cuts. Ain't too many that can do it like that man oh joe you know the key to being a great route runner is imagination you gotta you can't be afraid to try anything and i would i would work on my craft i would work on at practice and i would ask the safety or i would ask the guys i said what you think and he would tell me say sharp you got on your toes so kind of it was a tail now i guess i i you know i knew you was gonna break in and out and so i got a 50 50 chance of guessing right he said but so i was like okay i'm playing that through my mind but and john and mike would always tell me said

i don't care what you do in between as long as you be where you're supposed to be when he's ready for the ball right on time yeah i don't give a. Mike said he don't care if I go to the outhouse. As long as I be at the corner, I'm supposed to be there. Hey, when I think about it, when I talk about receivers that can improvise and still stay within the timing of an offense.

Yes. Devontae Adams. Ooh, best stop. Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen. Oslo Walker. Oslo Walker. Hey, Tank Dale. You know who you want to know who people don't talk about enough that played the game, that is like that, that is very creative, but he was always within the timing of the offense?

Who did? Stevie Johnson. Stevie Johnson. Stevie Johnson. Stevie Johnson. Buffalo Bill. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah okay man listen though i can sit there and watch his releases his route running though in amazement in amazement one of the best

to ever do it he just he doesn't get the props he deserves but i anytime i have opportunity to talk about receivers about running routes and and cutting the rug man he's. Man, he's one of them ones. Legendary. Ocho, it shouldn't be a problem because ain't nobody pressing no more. Ain't nobody putting hands on people. You can't even touch nobody. Yeah. So I don't know what's to speed you up.

Because here's the thing, they can't touch you outside of five yards and ain't nobody really putting hands on folks like that anyway anyway no so you shouldn't be you shouldn't be sped up uh the browns beat the uh the browns beat the steelers today in a very ugly game low scoring game uh 13 10 the browns are signing joe flacco um the steel man look here The Steelers played bad the first half and then somehow find a way to be in the ball game late. And it took a great drive by Dorian Thompson, right? Dorian Thompson.

Yeah. It took a great drive by him to get him back in field goal range and kick the walk-off game, basically walk-off game winner. What would you kind of take away from that game? Listen, the fact that Deshaun Watson goes down. The Steelers have been up and down all season. All season. And managed to have a winning record in our above 500 sitting third in the division.

Third in the division. I don't know how they pull it off. For one, they have an immense talent in George Pickens. They don't use him enough. I'm not sure what Matt Cannon is doing over there, but for some reason

they don't use him enough. They don't use Deontay Johnson enough. Right. They're not efficient offensively. The defense is decent. But they do things just enough to continue to win games. Obviously, they didn't win today.

We know why and we saw what happened. The Browns. The Browns defense is so good. They're able to overcome not having a Deshaun Watson, not having a stellar quarterback at the helm

to carry that team. Right. And so, you're absolutely right because with their defense, you know, we were talking about it with how far could the Browns go.

With the way that defense is playing, if Deshaun Watson continued to get better and better, they had a chance to be there at the end. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Easily. Because with Amari better, they had a chance to be there at the end, Ochoa. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Easily.

Because with Amari Cooper, they got decent. I like the tight end, Bryant. And Joku, you need to holler at your boy, man. I need to work on you with them hands, man, because the ball getting up on you real quick. It's getting on him real quick, Ochoa. So I don't know if he's picking up, because I tried to pick the ball up, no matter what

route I'm running, especially if I'm trying to pick the ball up by the quarterback's hand. I'm not waiting until the ball halfway there. I mean, I'm like a baseball player. A baseball player is trying to pick the ball up out of his hand. If I wait until the ball

halfway there, I got no chance of hitting it. Right, right, right, right. I think he needs to do a better job of trying to locate the ball. A physical specimen that can run. Yeah. Strong. Yeah. But there are a lot of plays that he's leaving on the field that I feel he can make and that

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and will miss the rest of the season. The Bengals on the league's toughest remaining schedule based on opponent winning percentage. They've lost every division game. So that's already put him behind the eight ball. And you're going to have to do it with Jake Brown. Jake Brown. We're ready.

We're ready. We love we love Tess. We love Tess. We love tess we love tess we we love tess you know um on realistically realistically we we are behind a ball when you lose a quarterback of that magnitude obviously and people love to argue argue the fact okay let me just for the sake of it for the rest of the world the second best quarterback in the NFL, when you lose the second best quarterback in the NFL that has legitimately changed an entire franchise in a very short amount of time,

that's difficult. Yeah. It's difficult. That's very difficult for us as a team to have to move forward. There's nothing wrong with Mr. Browning. No disrespect to him. He's going to take over the helm and do what he can,

but he's not. By no means is he Joe Burrow. No means he's Joe Burrow. I agree with you. If you guys had a dominant run game, you know what I can say, Ocho? Okay. Run the football. You have Chase. Higgins is going to come back.

And so now you'll be throwing a lot of one-on-one. But because you don't have a dominant... Two years ago, two years ago, three years ago when they had Tennessee, they had Henry. The way he was running the air out of the ball. You could say, okay, we still – no matter who the quarterback is, we can turn around and hand it to Derrick Henry 30 times.

We're going to get – we're going to be able to play action on that because you got to drop eight, nine guys down to stop that. But your running game hasn't been what I thought it would be considering Joe Mixon and the upgrading of the offensive line. But Ocho, Joe, y'all have to do something about this. Joe can't keep

taking that kind of punishment, Ocho. And I keep saying that. He's taking too much punishment. Right. I have a question. I have a question for you. Well, Joe is already out for the season, so I'm going to, just for... You're going to focus on Jay Brown and the team you got together. Okay. For continuity purposes.

Okay. I think it's not that bad for us, right? I think the fact that we have Chase, that we have Tyler Boyd, that we have T. Higgins, and that trio of receivers, and Joe is very efficient. I'm talking about Brother

Mixon. I'm talking about Brother Mixon. He's very good. He's very good. I think that we can overcome the lack of not having Joe Burrow because our receiving core is so good. What do you think? I'm just asking. What do you think? Oh, Joe, you was 5-5 going into that game with Joe Burrow. And you think think? I'm just asking, what do you think? Ocho, you was 5-5

going into that game with Joe Burrow. And you think somehow all of a sudden you're going to win six of your last seven games or however many games left? You got to stay

with what I just said. Let's keep everything in the context. I said our receiving core is so good. I think it can overcome not having Joe Burrow there because they're so good. Think about what you were having Joe Burrow there because they're so good

think about what you were when Joe Burrow was there did the wide receivers overcome that when you had Joe you said the second best quarterback in the NFL what was your record with the second best quarterback in the NFL what was your division record with the second

best quarterback in the NFL did your wide receivers remember we had a Joe what was your division record with the second best quarterback in the NFL right did you receive remember remember we had we had a Joe we had a hurt Joe now we only got Joe healthy for two games

three games we got Joe healthy for three games that's it Ocho you remember the first when y'all lost the opening day

what did I tell you Ocho I said Ocho in my experience yes sir if you limp into the season what you do you limp out of it out of it yeah remember I told you that Ocho, in my experience, if you limp into the season, what you do? You limp out of it. Out of it, yeah.

Remember I told you that, Ocho? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's true for everybody because, you know, if you come in hurt, nobody's fully healthy anyway. The healthiest you're going to be is the first day of training camp. That's the healthiest you're going to be. You're going to be, yeah, you're right, you're right. That's facts, that's facts.

Granted, Ocho, they don't hit like we once did in camp. That's the help that you're going to be. You're going to be. Yeah, you're right. You're right. That's facts. That's facts. Granted, Ocho, they don't hit like we once did in camp. I mean, you know, a lot of it is walk through. You know, you have two a days. When I first got to the league, okay, two a days, you're going to hit one of those days. I mean, we once went eight straight days

of hitting both practices. So we went for over a week. Yeah, a week. I know your body would beat up. Now, you know by that third day, that's when that old man sit in. You walk his step leg, everything hurt.

You hate to get up late at night to go to the bathroom and your door room. Your feet hurt, your ankles hurt, your knees, your back, your hip. And normally, the third day is when they throw in 907 and goal line. So now you don't talk about Ocho. You ain't really had to do no doubt.

You're a tight end. I ain't had to do none of that. Strap it up, Ocho. Strap it up. you strap it up it's time to go so now Mike hey

Mike done said word said word to me 87 I need you to get him going get him going Mike do you know how sore I am and everybody else

and you talking about getting strike up the band yeah so now you know get everybody going cause I don't want Mike to be in a bad mood

and keep us out there for any longer than we need to be out't want Mike to be in a bad mood and keep us out there for any longer than we need to be out there. We need to be, yeah. He said, oh, I look at that schedule sheet. Oh, man, we ain't got but a 75 minutes. I'm trying to get as close to that 75

and not over. 75 minutes? 75. The morning practice was normally like 75, maybe, maybe, maybe 90. The afternoon normally was normally like 75. Maybe, maybe, maybe 90. The afternoon normally got like 145, 2, 202, 207. That's what Mike Shanahan.

Now with Coach Reeves, ain't no telling how long them things go. Them things might go two and a half, 245, three. Coach Reeves was old school. Do you know how long they practice today? You know how long a practice is today in today's game? How? Man, a practice may be an hour and 30 minutes.

Maybe an hour. What? That's what I was told. I have yet to be to one, but with the new CBA rule, all that running up and down and having pads on every day and all that hitting and all that, all that's up and down and having pads on every day and all that hitting and all that, all that's gone.

That's going out the window. I don't think they practice enough. I think that's another reason for some of these injuries. You're not putting the body through the ringer before it's time to play ball.

I totally agree with that. But I tell you what I would do, Ocho. Let me ask you this. Would you rather practice longer and more with pads and get guaranteed money and guaranteed health benefits, lifetime

benefits, or would you have less practices? Ooh, that's a good one right there, huh? It ain't no good one. You'd rather have guaranteed money and lifetime health benefits than have no practices. Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. And the funny thing about it, it ain't no good one you'd rather have guaranteed money and lifetime health benefit yeah yeah most definitely most definitely and the funny thing about it when we was trying to wear pads you know i never wore my pads to practice i put my shells on and everybody just knew not to hit me yeah well the thing is uh we were one of the first ones that wore no thigh pads we had no pads i mean we had

running backs that had no thigh pads no no heel pads, no knee pads. So, Mike would always tell us when it came Thursday, that's when we had 907, he said, I want you to dress like you dress in the game. In the game, right. I ain't wearing no thigh pads, no knee pads, no heel pads,

no mouthpiece, no nothing. No nothing, right, right, right, right. All I had was shoulder pads and a helmet on. So, that's how we roll with it. I don't know, Ocho, I think y'all up against me. I think y'all up against me. Without Joe? I was trying to be optimistic.

I'm sorry. I don't even know how I was trying to be optimistic. Just the fact that Jamar, Jamar, and, you know, we can be efficient with Joe running the ball, man. I'm thinking I'm just being optimistic as possible. I'm Mr. Browning. Let's go. Oh, let me ask you this.

Hello. We got this. Mr. Riggleman just asked who had better hands, me or Ocho? Well, me, definitely. Me, definitely. I definitely had better hands? Me or Ocho? Well, me definitely. Me definitely. I definitely have better hands. Listen, I don't know what's wrong with you. Listen, you already got on glasses,

so that let me know you can't see. You already got on glasses, so that let me know you can't see. If you think you have better hands than these boys right here, oh man, stop playing with me, man. Stop playing with me. I used to do spearfishing with no spear.

Ocho, you got to understand. See, I came in the league when they didn't have the technology, the most sticky gloves. I ain't had no sticky. I ain't had no sticky. I wore Newman's.

I saw you, Glover. You had Nike. You might have wore Newman's in the beginning. I was not with no Nike. Yes, you were. That's the new age kids, man. I had Newman's. You had Nike. You might have wore Newman in the beginning. I was not with no Nike. Yes, you were. That's the new age kids, man. I had Newman.

See, the thing is, now you do that internet and they can look at you and see you had what you had on your feet. Show me, show me. That's my feet. We talk about hands.

We talk about, he talked about who got the better hands. You don't have better hands than me. So let me, I just want to make sure I'm hearing you correctly. So at no point in time, you wore the new technology gloves, I just want to make sure I'm hearing you correctly. So at no point in time,

you wore the new technology gloves. I just want to hear you say that. No, no. And stop using the gloves as a reason. I got hands, hand eye coordination. Stop making excuses.

Cause I had better hands than you. Don't tell me nothing about no technology. Well, who had the most, who had the most catches? Me? Who had the most yards? You had more than 800 catches?

Nah, that's too many. I don't need that many catches. I don't need that many catches. Hold your hands up. You can see right there. Hold your hands up. Yeah, you see? My hand blocking out the whole screen. Look at yours. You got both of your hands in the screen. Look at that. I can't even open my hand up

because my pinky eye is not the screen. The size of my hands have nothing to do with how great they were. Yeah, they do. No, they don't. No, they don't. I didn't need any of the catches. All I need is the little bit of catches I did get, and I did the most with it.

You got a little slider burger hanging. A little slider look like a Big Mac. A little slider look like a Big Mac in your hand. Oh, shit. I got a problem, man. I don't know none of my stats, man. I don't know none of my shit. I'm just, I normally, a person

that know their stuff, they'd be able to throw out the numbers and I don't even, I can't, I don't even know how many goddamn catches I had. You had enough. You did, you did. Hey, you're a first-team All-Pro. You're a many-time Pro Bowl player. One of the great players in Bengals history. You don't need to know your stats. They speak for themselves.

I don't know if you watched it tonight, but did you see Go James? Did you see what Go James did tonight? Nah, what he did? 37 points. The most points by someone in the 21st season, but if you go look at the stats, he got damn near all the most points. He had 37

on 14 of 19. What? Yeah, yeah. Then he just dropped 28 the other night? That was a triple dub. He had 35 the other night. He had 35, 9, and 5. That's when AD had 9 points, right? That was a triple dub. The 28, 10, and 11 was when AD had nine points, right? That was the triple W.

The 28-10-11 was when AD had nine. The other night he just played on Friday night, he had 35-9 and they won that game and he just followed it up with another 37. Let me see what he had. He had 37, eight assists, six rebounds, three steals. So at 38 years old, right? How do people still argue the fact

that he is not the greatest basketball player of all time to be putting up these type of numbers at that age and playing at such a high level? How do people still argue the fact? I'm just curious. Because they like arguing. They like arguing. Is it personal?

Because the resume is right there in front of you How do you argue against what you're seeing Still to this day from someone that is 38 years old I think the thing is Oh Joe look I don't know where you are with this rap But there are some people that says

Nobody will ever be greater than Biggie Some people will say nobody will ever be better than Tupac Some people say Ho got it ever be better than Tupac. Some people say, Hov got it. Okay, they're on those heels. There's nothing you can do that can move them. Some people like Kool Moe D. Some people like Big Daddy Kane. Some people like KRS-One. Some people like Drake. Some people like Weezy. Whatever your Snoop Dogg, Cube, wherever your preference is, once you're there, you're not coming off that perch. So people have Kobe or people have Jordan or people have whomever the case may be. That's preference. They're not they're not coming up. They're not coming off that.

OK, I see. I see you going with that. So that's more, that's opinionated preference that has no logical fact to go with it. When the logical fact, if you look at the numbers, since we base everything off of numbers and what LeBron has been able to do at 30 years old,

and listen, I'm not even a basketball fan like that. You know, I'm soccer, boxing, you know, football,

and then obviously tennis. So the fact that I'm invested in watching him to this point and learning what he's been what he's been able to do at his age when obviously you're supposed to be on decline what a goddamn decline at where's the decline that they that they talk about when it where does father time that they always talk about i think the thing is is that mentally he still enjoys the game and so he he's going to put the time in. And that's how you stay is that when you put the time in, he's never going to come.

He never uses camp to get in shape. He shows up in shape. And see, here's the thing. Don't be taking shots at my homeboy hard. No, but see, here's the thing, Ocho. You can do that when you're 20s. But as you get older, it gets harder and harder. Ocho, you remember how you could drop like five pounds

in two hours? And as you start to get older, it took you longer, not only for your body to recover, but for you to get in the top-notch shape. Okay, that's the same thing that happened to Shaq. When Shaq was in his 20s, Shaq could use training

camp. But then as he got older, he tried to use the same thing because he had success. And what happened? It took him longer and longer and he started getting hurt. You see, the body doesn't recover like it once did when it was young. The body loses its elasticity as we start to age. That's why they say to continue to stretch as we age. So the body doesn't hold fluids and it doesn't hold moisture. So now all of a sudden you become brittle. Calves, hamstring, groins.

He spends all that money. See, he has a personal trainer. It's not so he doesn't train anybody else. I need you to be on call for me. So at four o'clock in the morning, if I need a stretch, if I need a workout, I need you on call.

So therefore, he can't train anybody else because he's on call for Bron. But Bron puts the time in. Same thing with Tom. Tom put the time in. Right, right. You heard him say, I heard Bron puts the time in. Same thing with Tom. Tom put the time in. You heard him say, I heard Bron talking the other day. He said, yeah, I get a lot of credit and I've done a lot. He said, but the person that sacrificed the most is my wife. She has the toughest job.

Remember I said that? I forgot which show that was. Yeah. I see. I'm glad Remember I said that? I forgot which show that was. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. You did a good job. I see. I'm glad that you said that. You see, because that right there is where we're trying to get you. Huh? What? We're trying to get you

to find that significant other so you can go down that same path of righteousness and having that guidance that you don't understand. You think you're on the right path, but you'll never be on that. But the difference is you have to understand. Savannah's

been in LeBron's life since she was 15. You know, but this is the thing. This is what you don't understand. That wasn't God's plan for you. God wanted you to find your Savannah on the back end. He wanted you to find your Savannah on the back end. But you have to be, you see what Savannah, Savannah says, look,

I'm okay with being in the back. I wanted to be a wife and raise the kids. Go get that. I got you. I'm holding it down over here. Ocho, you don't see Savannah trying to be in the front. You don't see Savannah. She ain't on

IG like that. She ain't out there talking about, oh, I got, I'm on a private front. You don't see Savannah. She ain't on IG like that. She ain't out there talking about, oh, I'm on a private plane, I'm on an island, and to each their own to whomever doing that. But I'm saying she is content with letting LeBron be out in the front doing what he needs to do. She say, baby, I got the kids.

I got Bronny. I got Bryce. I got Zuri. You handle that. I got you. What's your dog. You handle that. I got you. What's your dog? What's your little dog name? What's your little dog name?

Who, Teddy Bear? Teddy Bear. I got people that are willing to be in the background. It just be them and Teddy Bear and let you have everything out front. The same concept, the same visual you just said, you just named, they willing to do the same thing. They said you just named they willing to do the same thing they willing to sacrifice everything they got going on

just to make sure you own point but I mean that's another story we'll get there you know I said I sent it to you

I sent it to your Instagrams I sent it to your Instagrams I blogged you years ago what a I blocked you years ago. Whatever. I need something to drink, man. Speaking of this, everybody got assistance. Baby!

I need something to drink. That's him for the neurosurgeon, right? Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. What happened? What happened?

Talk to me. You got me hyped. You got me hyped. Talk to me. I think real friend just donated $500. Oh, baby. Yo, she just donated $500. Boy, she got money for you. Oh. Oh, you know, I'm about to be like St. Louis in the Players Club.

Money, money, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. You told her thank you? Yeah, thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Thank you. Yeah, that's your boo right there, huh? That's your boo right there. Oh, man. You see how God work? God ain't good. You see how God work, right? Who do you do it?

Listen, he love the cheerful giver. Jesus, he will fix it. I know Jesus. Jesus, he will fix it. I know Jesus. Jesus. He will fix it. After a while. After a while. Come on back with the church. Jesus.

He will fix it. I know Jesus. Jesus. He will. Listen, we just talked about LeBron and having her Savannah, and look how God just, bam, just put it right in front of you. One of the things, listen,

one of the things that we always do is we never pay attention to the signs. That was the sign. That was the sign. Hey. Now, don't slip up.

Don't slip up now. I don't even know Savannah. Right now, I take Atlanta or Macon. You know what I'm saying when you talk about Georgia. And anytime I come, if you know there's somebody, what's your sign? A chick And anytime I come, if you know this, what's your sign?

Chick asked me, say, well, Shannon, what's your sign? If I'm in your life, say, for a sign from God. That's what sign I am. You didn't know? I like it. I like it. I see where you're going. I see you're going. But one thing about that, here's what you're saying, but don't miss that blessing. I ain't gonna miss no blessing. Don't miss that blessing.

Why don't you say that? I'm gonna talk to you off air. The Cowboys will add Jimmy Johnson to the ring of honor December 30th. The Cowboys, I know Jimmy a little bit, having worked at Fox. Right. I believe had Eagles not gotten involved, the Cowboys could have been the Patriots before the Patriots got the Patriots. Whoa.

Simply because of the head coach? The owner wanted more credit and he and the head coach started butting heads. Because you got to think about it. Emmitt came in the league at 21. He won his last championship in 95. So Emmitt was 27. Troy at 21. He won his last championship in 95. So Emmitt was 27. Troy was 28.

Mike was 29. And they were young. Yeah. In their prime. And they got Larry Allen. Oh, he's a real... That's a strong joke. That's a strong joke right there.

They just started. They just started. And that's what... You see the difference between... Look, and everybody... And I hate saying that, Yeah. They just started. They just started. And that's what you see. You see the difference between Mr. Look and everybody. And I hate saying that. But, you know, it is what it is. Mr. Craft. And I'm sure Mr. Craft. Behind the scenes, you know, but he was Mr. Craft. And look, I'm content with Paul Tagliabue or Roger Goodell handing me trophies.

Right. I don't need no credit because at the end of the day, I own the team. Right. Jeff Bezos is going to get credit no matter what Amazon does. No matter what. He founded the company. Right. Steve Jobs has been dead for almost a decade now. Rest his soul.

Whatever Apple does, he's going to get credit. Right. But a lot of times, I got to get the credit. And Jerry once said, there are 500 other coaches that could coach this team. 500? Wait, he said it like that for real? Yeah, he said it like that. So do you think one of the reasons for the Cowboys' demise

and not being able to reach a Super Bowl is because Jerry getting in the way of Jerry? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So is there anyone that can actually tell him that or is he one of those that just doesn't listen because he's in a position of power and ownership? Well, if you look at his business card, it says owner, CEO, vp custodian he executive assistant he has all the titles and when you have all the titles but i think this is very i think jimmy is very deserving um you go back and look at the cowboy coaches they've only had two great ones he and coach landry right um he started because what jimmy could do jimmy came out of college. So Jimmy won at every level.

He won at college. He won at University of Miami. He was at Okie State before he came to UM. He was on that pit staff in the early 80s with Marino and them. But Jimmy was in college. So all these guys that's coming to the league,

Jimmy knew who could play because Jimmy recruited him. So now he's like, oh, I tried to recruit him at the University of Miami. I could get him. Let me grab him now. Let me get him now. Let me get him now. And Jimmy, Jimmy about that work. Oh, it wasn't no, it wasn't no, it no.

See, the problem was, is that once Jimmy was removed, Jerry wanted a relationship with the players. So if anything that they like, they could go upstairs. They could circumvent the head coach. So you couldn't do that with Jimmy. Right. Oh, you could do that with Jimmy. See, guy fell asleep in the meeting before the playoffs. Jimmy cut it. The reporter asked the reporter asked him. He said, well, what if that was Troy that fell asleep in the meeting? He said, I woke his ass up. You treat everybody fair. You don't treat them all the same. But I think this award is very, very deserving for Jimmy

and what he was able to do for the Cowboys because you look at the guys, the Troy, the Emmitts, the trade, and I think Jerry had a lot more to do with the trade of Charles Haley because I don't think Jimmy per se wanted him because he had heard all the stories about Charles. And Charles was a very different, was a different animal. Oh, yeah.

Was a different animal. But to get three championships in four years, it probably could have been four, five, and eight years. But hey. Because here's the thing, Ocho. Everybody wants credit.

Everybody wants credit. But he was going to get the credit anyway. He's the owner. I'm not sure why he always has to be front and center even still today. He has to be front and center doing interviews, you know, speaking for everybody. I don't understand.

I don't understand. You that boy. You already that boy. I'm not sure why you need to do that. Because he wants to be the face. Because think about it. They say, Zach is not the face of the Cowboys. Jerry is.

Jerry's the face of the Cowboys. The first person you think of when you talk about the Dallas Cowboys, who? Jerry Jones. Right, right. That's not normal. What other,

the only other time that that's probably happened is that in the yankees with george steinbrenner and i know george is a little uh mr steinbrenner a little bit before your time but he was like that he dominated all the airspace and when you thought and he had great players but it was you thought of mr steinbrenner. And that's what Jerry wants. He see the owners don't get the love and adorations that players get. No matter how much money you got, they love them players.

Why you think Jerry be hanging out and buying them drinks? Jerry want to be a player. And what comes along with that but it's his team I mean hey what you gonna say that's like

you the king of your castle right ain't nobody gonna tell you hey Ocho man you need to put a blue couch in here nah Ocho you need to move that TV like get your get your ass out my house

this is my house I'll decorate it how I want to Jerry says I own the Cowboys and I'll do with them as I say. That's crazy. Congratulations Jimmy.

Honor well deserved. December 30th, he's going into the ring of fame and joining other greats. Coach Landry, Bob Lilly, Randy White, Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin, Troy Aikman. There are some of the, ooh, they got some, I think,

Rayfield Rice up there. They got a lot of Hall of Famers, and Jimmy's in the Hall of Fame, so he should be up there. I think if you make the Hall of Fame, you definitely need to be in the ring of honor for a seed team. Most definitely. Colorado's Kavasi Smoke. I think, I hope I said his name. Kavasi

who passed to Kavasi? Kavasi Smoke says the Buffaloes could have gone undefeated but played selfish ball. He wrote, simple fact bro, we could have went undefeated this year. Too much selfish ball going on

man. Can't win like that. Got to play and win as a team. But if you go the other route, you get results like this. Smokers, the transfer from Kentucky to the Buffs, rotation going, being a go-to option in the Wildcat offense for the greater part of five years. What's your thought on that? He tripping and don't know what he's talking about.

The fact that you played the game of football and think that... That team was going to go undefeated. ...the Buffaloes were going to go undefeated. Like, let's be realistic. You know there are pieces missing. You know the interior is the most important part in being able to challenge any Power 5 school.

You got to beef up. They had the meat and potatoes in the interior on the offensive line and d line that is nowhere to be found right now and you think they would have been undefeated no that's it's impossible you know so i mean i understand what he's saying and it's a it's a it's a team game it's a team game there are 11 players on offense there are 11 players on defense but it's about individuals winning their individual battle and that's what it all cut that's what it comes down to is he taking a shot at coach prime is he taking a shot at your door what's going on what do you think what's your thought process i don't know what he's taking a shot at because it's not really making any sense

easy to me it's gibberish it's gibberish to me because Prime already told you before the season even started what he needed to be able to compete. He already said it. And then you talk about, oh, what did he say? They playing selfish ball. What is selfish ball? What do you consider selfish ball? Because I see the players of Colorado doing the same thing I was doing when I was in high school. The same stuff I was doing when I was in high school. The same stuff I was doing when I was in the league.

And I'm nowhere near selfish. I mean, it might be perceived by other parties that don't like the way I play the game, but I'm not selfish. So I'm not sure. It's just a bunch of hot air to me. Okay. There's a person in Toronto that's listing half of a queen size bed for rent for $900 a month. So in other words, you come into bed with you.

No, he got for 900 a month. You get half of the bed. You get half of the bed. I'm saying is there you I'm sure you get something in the bed with you for $900. What amenities? What? It has to come with something. Well, I mean, I guess you get to use the bathroom or something. Nah. For $900 a month? Yeah. I mean, you're inviting problems.

Shit. I mean, who is going to invite a stranger off the street to sleep in the bed? Okay, I get it. You know, I got a roommate. But they got their own room.

And that happens. I mean, that happens in college because a lot of times you get a roommate, Ocho. They from California and you from Florida or whatever the case may be. But to invite someone in

and says, okay, we're roommates. You sleep on that half of the bed. I sleep on this half of the bed. Not the couch. Oh, you got me. It's only one bed. One bed. Oh, man. What are we talking about, man? He tripping, man. He tripping.

Stop playing. Come on, man. I see you going with it now. Come on, man. Ain't nobody falling for that. Oh, that might be a way of a signal of some sort, depending on what people got going on. You know, you never know these days.

You never know these days. Nah, you asking. Hell nah. You just asking for trouble. You asking for trouble. Okay. Just go ahead and say, bro. Well, I mean, you just asking for trouble. You asking for trouble. Okay. Just go ahead and, hey, say, bro. Well, I mean, you probably should just,

hopefully they're not serious, but the mere fact, you know, just go ahead and just like, you know what, move out. Because if you got to have somebody to share half your bed. Yeah, in this economy, he probably dead serious. Because shit hot right now. He said, well, he said he needed help paying the rent. Bro, you need

to downsize then. Ocho. It's a one bedroom. How you going to downsize from a one bedroom? File a cheap apartment. File a cheap apartment. He live in Toronto.

You said he live in Toronto. Toronto. Yes. Toronto is kind of expensive, I think. I understand that the rent is higher than giraffe head. but that ain't got nothing to do with it. Every one bedroom apartment doesn't cost the same. Right.

You're right. Maybe you have to live in an area that's not as affluent. Not as safe. Yes. Not as safe. Yes. But do you want to do that? Do you want to put yourself in harm's way

just to be able to live at an affordable rate? That ain't good. Well, you live in somewhere you can't afford. You living outside your means now because you want to share half your bed, don't you?

Half your bed. It's a guy, right? Yes. Well, hopefully it's a woman that can... Ain't no woman or stranger going for that. Maybe it's a guy, right? Yes. Well, hopefully it's a woman. Ain't no woman or stranger going for that. And I get half the bed. Hey, look here, I'm paying $900.

I don't care if it's a full size or a twin bed like I had in college. You want it to yourself? I want to roll over and don't touch nothing. I don't want your feet touching me. I don't like people's feet on me You know they got talent Everybody don't get no man And petty like me Once a week

And be cutting up my Cutting up my sheets Man you like people When they put their feet on you Yeah I like Yeah I like I like when real Ain't no

I don't know who people is I like when real Put her feet Them pretty Them goddamn pretty Oh yeah You better Hey You put your feet them pretty, them goddamn pretty. Oh, yeah. Well,

you better, hey, you put your feet on me, you better let the face off. You don't like women's feet? You better let them sit in cocoa butter for about three hours. Nah,

you ain't got to do that, man. Listen, ain't nothing like, you don't be like, when you, you don't suck, never mind, you know,

it's a kid-friendly, it's a kid-friendly show, kid-friendly show. Kid-friendly show. Hey, she better have some pig feet or some chicken feet. That's the only thing I'm sucking on that's going to go in my feet. You don't suck on the toe, huh? Come on, man. Come on, Ocho.

Wait, listen to me. Ocho, what we doing here, Ocho? What we doing now? Listen, listen. Stay with me now, baby. Don't do that. Don't do that. Listen, I need you to live a Ocho, what we doing here, Ocho? What we doing now? Listen, listen. Oh, listen. Stay with me now, baby. Don't do that. Don't do that. Listen.

I need you to live a little bit, man. Get you some crushed ice, right? Get you some crushed ice. Crushed ice. And you take that foot. You start with the pinky toe. And make sure it got a nail on it, though. Make sure it got a nail on it.

You start with the pinky toe, and you work your way over, man. It's like playing the flute, baby. It's like playing the flute. Come on, now. work your way over, man. It's like playing the flute, baby. It's like playing the flute. Come on, now. Oh. Yeah, man. Now, I like a good old pig. You know them old pig feet?

Yeah. I like pig feet too, now. I like pig feet too. Yeah. I used to get them tongs and put that thing on that wax paper. Yeah. Yeah.

Chicken feet. My grandma used to make chicken feet. Yeah. That's about it, though, Ocho. I ain't going to lie to you, cuz. Man. Oh, about it though, Ocho. I ain't gonna lie to you, cuz. Man, man. Listen, I'm gonna send you my book, man. I got a book for you.

Ocho, Ocho. I ain't gonna lie to you, Ocho. If I suck on some toes, Ocho, we get married tomorrow. Ah. We get married tomorrow. You know, hey, listen. Let me tell you. Stay with me now.

It's a set of toes That just donates you Five dollars too OJ I ain't You know what Ojo I ain't I ain't no I ain't no

I ain't really no toe No foot You know I mean I like I like the pretty feet And stuff like that. It's a lot of things you're not.

It's a lot of things you haven't done. Yeah. That's okay. I don't know about the toes now. I mean, behind closed doors, it's all considered making love. But I mean, what we draw the line on, Ocho, what we stopping?

Oh, boy, I'm from Liberty City, but what we draw the line on, Ocho, what we stopping? Oh, hey, I'm from Liberty City, baby. We don't draw no lines. We don't, we don't, we, well, we don't draw no lines. We don't draw no lines now. I got to put this car in park and get up out of here. I got to park this car. I got to let you go down the road by yourself.

I got to let you go down the road by yourself, Ocho. You go ahead, Ocho. This is as far as I need to go. This is as far as I need to let you go by yourself Ocho you go ahead Ocho this is as far as I need to go this is as far as I need to go we got to get you all these god damn training wheels boy you on training wheels

you living on training wheels man Ocho you speeding I mean you speed I'm speeding but I got my seatbelt on yeah man I got my seatbelt on

dang Ocho I guess I I guess I am a little slow Ocho yeah but I got my seatbelt on. Yeah, man. Uh-uh. I got my seatbelt on. God dang, Ocho. I guess I'm a little slow, Ocho. Yeah. We got 20,000 people on this thing live. What? Live. I tell you what, Ocho. I love y'all.

Ocho. What they do, twin? Ocho, check this out. Yes, sir. She got to have some hot sauce or something in the bag. I got to sprinkle something on them toes. Oh, you see, you know what? This is what I like about you.

This is what I like. I threw something out there, right? Yeah, you threw it out there. I threw it out there, and you still think about it. You know what? So you know what that means. Since you still think about it, I know you're going to make it happen. Ocho, you know how you have been fishing, and you catch the lure,

and you throw it back? Right, right, right. You're talking about them toes. I got to throw it back to you. Nah, nah. Trust me. You're going to be all right. I'm trying to be all right.

Just try. Baby! Come here. Man, that red tape, I'm telling you, man. That's something. I'm telling you, man. Them toes. I'm missing out. You're missing you, man, that's something. I'm telling you, man.

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So? Talk about how he ain't done. Hi. Hey. Hi. How you doing? Hi. Say I love you.

Hi. Hi. Blow a kiss to Uncle Shannon Mwah Your daddy crazy I'm sitting here telling Uncle But um But you know the ice the toes

That ain't no secret Cause I don't even know Victoria That's what I'm saying Real Real some things we got, Real said, some things y'all got to keep between y'all. For what? How you think I got them? I don't spend no money, so it definitely ain't that. Yeah, I know you had to suck toes. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. Yeah, man, I got to do all the extra stuff, man, because I ain't spending no bag. I ain't spending no checks. This ain't no come up, no nothing. If you with me, you actually like me for me. Well, I need, I need, can you deep fry toes? Because you know we'll eat everything deep fried.

You can't eat it. You can't eat it. Just try it. Just one time. Get you some crushed ice. Crushed ice. Crushed ice. Well, I'm going to need to see.

You can chew bubble gum and walk right yeah all right if you do things you can do two things at once you're gonna be all right just try it i'm gonna have to send another tasha from maryland get the beat wife first i need to see her getting beat i need to go to go go to tasha let it do my nails my manicure and pedicure and okay okay matter of fact do one better go Go on YouTube. I got a tutorial. You know, I do manicures and pedicures. I don't send her

to nobody because I learned to do everything myself to help me save money. Do her nails and feet yourself. Now, next thing, you're going to tell me

you'll be biting her toenails off. You'll bite somebody's toenails off? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Dude, I went to school for this. I took cosmetology class to be able to save myself some money. So her upkeep and her necessities, I learned how to do it. So I ain't got to spend no money.

No, I pay for that. But I don't know. Well, I'm going to save me a dollar now. You know that. Yeah, well, I'm going to save my mind if somebody peep. So, you save me a dollar, I'm saving my mind. I'm telling you, Unc, you want to take them somewhere they never been before.

You want to take them somewhere they never been before. How about we go to Bali? Can we go to Bali? Can we go to the Maldives? I'm taking them somewhere they never been before. Nah, listen, it's sand everywhere. It's water. It's beaches everywhere. Nah, listen, it's sand everywhere. It's water, it's beaches everywhere.

Nah, the Maldives. Yeah, it's, listen, I have no disrespect. I enjoyed the trip. It was no different.

I live in Miami. Maldives, Miami, water, sand, what's the goddamn difference? Hey, ladies,

ladies, would you rather have, we're going to put this up, would you rather have your toes sucked? With crushed ice. Crushed ice. Crushed ice.

Yeah. Crushed ice. Yeah. Or a 10-day trip to the Maldives. 10? 10 days. The Maldives of Bali. Who want to go to the Maldives in Bali for 10 days?

A trip maximum should be three days. Man, you out your damn mind. You're going halfway across the country, man. You know, Ocho, that's 24 hours to get there, man. And so you're going to turn around and come right back? Well, listen, you better than me. 10 days? 10 days?

You know how long 10 days is? Way over there with nothing to do. It's only so much you can do, man. It's something to do. It's something to do. O'Shea. O'Shea got something to do. You lying.

Talking about ain't nothing to do. I don't know who told you that. Hey. Oh, man. 10 days. I guarantee everybody agree with me. No, no, no, no, no no no no i guarantee they do what do women say what what 80 say they'd rather go to the maudis they lying they didn't do you lying

they like they did they definitely lying oh joe women they they lying and don't don't let them fool you. You know what? They trying. They bougie. They bougie. They trying to show off for the chat. They do probably watching. That's what I'm looking for.

Oh, Joe, you tweeted that you going on Jimmy Kimmel tomorrow. Yo, I'm on Jimmy Kimmel tomorrow, baby. I forgot to tell you. Said closed mouth don't get fed. So is it okay to ask co-host Oscar with him? What you think? Yo, I'm on Jimmy Kimmel tomorrow, baby. I forgot to tell you. Said closed mouth don't get fed, so is it okay to ask co-host to Oscar with him? What you think? Tell me.

Ocho. Yes, sir. I co-hosted the Emmys. Do you know how much prep time is in that? Yeah, I got time. It's not till 2024. I know, but do you know how much prep time? Do you have to,

because not only must you know the actor or actress on site, but you also need to know the movie that they were in and what award they were nominated for. Right. To be able to recall it like that, that's a lot of prep time. I mean, because I did this, I think I hosted it like April. Right.

And I got the stuff, I got the kit in January. Right. Or February. Wait, they're not going to give me no prompter? No, you got to be able to,

you got to be able, because when you interview them, you got to be able to talk to people, Ocho. Okay, I can talk to people. You know, that's one of my specialties,

talking, man. That's right up my alley. But you got to, Ocho, these faces aren't as familiar or your recall, know athletes but to be able to recall an actor or an actress and talk about the movie that they were i can't i can do that i can do that trust me that's my specialty talking processing seeing something remembering

i have a photographic memory. I'm a movie head. I done been in movies too, now. Okay. Hurry up and wait. It's a lot more difficult. I mean, the prep time and the time that I put in. Because a lot of it was YouTube. I mean, Netflix and Hulu and Amazon.

So it's not linear, just all linear television, whereas CBS, NBC and Fox, no. And so to be able to look at somebody who's like, hey, that's such and such. Hey, congratulations on your nomination. Oh, I loved you. Oh, I love this. That ain't as easy as you think. Right, right. I I know it's not I think I could do it so what I'm not going to do is my grandma told me like I said in my tweet close mouth don't get fed I'm on Jimmy Kimmel tomorrow at

I don't want to scream my name again I think I'm the first guest on so my first question is listen Jimmy I'd love I'd love to co-host with you in 2024 at the Oscars. It don't have to be the whole show. Just let me get up there.

Let me just get up there and get my feet wet. Now, if I go on the Oscars before you get me on first take, we're going to fall out. I ain't bringing nobody to eat sucking no toes on no show with me. They're going to say, oh, they're going to show up with no toes sucking no toes. Oh, that's what we're doing. That's what we doing. Man, now everybody gonna be talking about, man, Ocho trying to get Uncle to suck toes. Man, I got kids. Man bet I got two daughters come on man

you can't you can't worry about worry about what other people say no you gotta have turtle skin as you say turtle skin

big N big O no listen that's all that's like I have I have a vision board right I have a vision board,

right? I have a vision board in my bathroom. You know, my vision board on things that I envision doing. The first thing up there, boom,

Uncle Nocho. Right up under Uncle Nocho, that already came to fruition. Up under Uncle Nocho is inside the NFL. Boom. That's already happening. Then under under that third is first take i'm waiting on you and right on the first take now that the opportunity to see be on jimmy kimball is boom post the oscars or just make an appearance could i ask you a question

there's two things on that vision board that haven't happened yet and they're going to happen. You can help me with the third one. Where were them toes at? When you was growing up, how high was sucking toes on your priority list? Make it to the NFL, get my family out of the

Liberty City. What we doing? What we doing? That didn't start until I Liberty City. What we doing? What we doing? I mean, that didn't start until I got to college and I had to dance. I had to dance to make a way, to make a living. So in other words, you want to, so you try to show the young lady how

freaky you could be. Tell her, oh, let me, I know somebody, he probably did this, but he ain't do this, did he? Looking all up out of the bottom of her feet, and she probably walked right there barefooted. I had bills to pay. i had bills to pay i had bills to pay that's all right pick and choose i ain't paying them building will get paid let me ask you a question yes sir uh people like there's this they somebody asked your, uh, wing choice. So what flavor would your wing choice be? That's a, I like that. That's a good question.

Okay. What's your favorite wing choice flavor? That's the problem. When I eat my wings, I don't, I don't use ranch. I don't use blue cheese. I don't, I eat them plain. I love i love my my wings grilled i love my wings grilled no charcoal i don't i hate the little you know the little the little how they burn it just a slightly a little bit yeah yeah i hate that i hate it and some people love it i don't understand how they eat it like that in fry even with fried chicken with fried chicken i don't want no sauce i don't want nothing on it so So I'm just hoping it's seasoned to perfection and I eat everything plain. I know that's weird because

everyone uses some type of hot sauce or some type of sauce on chicken wings and I just don't. Yeah, I have to be careful. I like mine plain too. Probably if I'm out, I'm going to get plain. Now, if I'm home and

now the team, they come over and we're watching games on sunday we'll get wings but i gotta be careful because i like lemon pepper will probably be second but i can't i can't eat a whole lot of salsa because my stomach gonna be like an hbc band playing that thing in there. Right, right, right. Right. I don't know. Speaking of lemon pepper, I don't know if you know about a restaurant called Snapper's.

There's a restaurant called Snapper's here in Miami. And one of the few things that I do enjoy about having Snapper's is I get the wing and shrimp combo and it has the lemon pepper on the chicken. But it lemon pepper on the chicken. But it's also on the fries.

It's on the fries. And I really like that. Oh, man, I really like it. I really like it. What does the lemon and shrimp do it? Nah, snappers. It's like Long John Silver's. Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like that. I don't know if my comparison is right, but it's cool. I don't go there often, but when I do, it's something about that. They don't overdo it with the lemon pepper.

It'd be just enough to where they don't drown you in it. Oh, Joe. Doug just hit us up and said, you're on Kimmel on Tuesday, not tomorrow. I'm on tomorrow is well what's the day today sunday tomorrow well actually if it's one o'clock in the morning it's almost

it's about it well it's it's monday wait today is monday yo that's crazy i done forgot i'm only i'm i can't even keep up with the with the days see i can't have you on first day because I'll tell you what day and then you show up the next day and that's going to make me look bad. So, we're going to pass. Actually, I would be there a day early. So, I'd be there a day early to prep. So, I'm on Kimmel Tuesday. Good. Everybody watching,

make sure y'all tune in. I'm going to be clean as the board of health, too. I'm going to be clean. So, what's your favorite? So, wings. So, perils okay plain grilled lemon pepper lemon pepper yeah that's it not a lot of lemon pepper don't drown don't drown me and have me choking just just a dash of lemon pepper that's all I need okay I can I can rock with that I'm more more, yeah, crispy, fried crispy. Right.

So are you flats or drumettes? Oh, flats. Give me flats. Yeah. Give me flats. I love these flats. Even though there's more meat on the drumette, I just like that. I just like that slime.

Pull it off. Yeah. I just like that. See that technique you just did? I ain't doing no toes like that. That ain't for no toes. That's for wings. That's exactly how you do the pinky toe. You separate it too, just like you just did? I ain't doing no toes like that. That ain't for no toes. That's for wings. That's exactly how you do the pinky toe.

You separate the two just like you just took that goddamn. Oh, no. Yeah, I'm just telling you. Listen, you already got the technique in you. Maybe. Maybe I might hit a finger or something. I can't hit no toes. Wait, you hit a finger, but you won't hit a toe?

Nah. You hit the finger? You mean the same finger that wiped from the back? Ah, there you go, man. I'm just saying. You hit the finger that wiped from the back, but you won't suck the goddamn toe that got to get from point A to point B. That don't make no sense.

It all depends. I got to see if she left hand or right hand. I would get the opposite. Hey. Oh, let me see if you saw this story. A man traveled to Turkey and got a beard transplant. Yo, I saw that on Twitter. Yeah, we see guys get hair transplant.

Yeah. But he got a beard transplant. Yeah. Would you think about, would you get a beard transplant. Yeah. Would you think about, would you get a beard transplant? Man, listen, I don't really care for the beard, but I don't want to do a transplant.

If I could, I wanted a lace front beard. Like people know how to get on Twitter. People on Twitter know how to find old tweets. You know how they pull up old tweets of people and the celebs, whatever it might be. I'm sure people can go and find it. I've tweeted numerous occasions.

I want a lace front beard. I don't want to get a transplant because that's permanent. Right. It's permanent. I don't know. What about the head pieces? You seen the head pieces? I have.

With the waves? Yeah. Dog, I want one of them. I want one of them. I want one of them. Ocho, you done been bald so long. I mean, I can't envision you with hair. No, I can grow... You look...

The funny thing about it, I swear for God, and I know I play around a lot on here, I can grow a head full of hair. I just hate the maintenance of having to get it taped up, having to brush it, having to put in a wave cap, having to put grease. That is aggravating to me. That is aggravating to me. That's aggravating to me. I don't know about no head full. I mean, you might can grow some little prickles. No, no, no, no, no.

Look, my hair growing in right now. Look. I grow a head full of hair. I tell you no lie. I wouldn't lie to you. I see more hair on the eight ball. I know. I'm just saying. It's coming in. I need a haircut. It's a little porcupine right now because I got to cut it before I fly out tomorrow.

What you going to cut? You can't see it. It's dead up. Yeah, you ain't doing nothing but cutting the pool. You just saw me with a patch in the back of my head on the last show. Yeah. So I grow a head full of hair. I don't know about no head full of hair.

I want that transplant. Not transplant. The one with the barber no head full of hair. I want that transplant. Not transplant. The one with the barber where they make you waves? Yeah. Yeah, that's live. I ain't got the patience to do the work with the brushing. You got to train your head. I ain't got time for

all that shit. Women like waves too. I love to be like, hey, real, look, wave shit. Leron Lewis just donated $10. He said, tell Ocho to hit that Minnie Riperton. What would he know about Minnie Riperton, man? Well,

her daughter was on, what's her daughter's name? She was on What? What's her daughter's name? She had a famous daughter. Maya Rudolph. Really? Yeah.

You sure? I'm 1,000% sure. If I'm not mistaken, I think she had an aneurysm. She had a cancer or something. Memory Lane, Minnie Riperton. Oh, well, that's throwback right there, man. That's throwback. Back Lane, Minnie Riperton. Oh, well, that's throwback right there,

man. That's throwback. Back down memory lane and loving you. Loving you. It's easy because you're beautiful. Yes.

How that sound? Cancer. Man'd that sound? Cancer. Man, that's throwback, man. Yeah, that's what I mean. Women had voices back then. You know, they could sing. They could sing. They could sing.

Yes, they could. I mean, Minnie Riperton, Tammy Terrell, those women back then. Good man. Yeah, they Terrell. Those were back then. Good man. Yeah, they could go. They could go. Stacey Ladisole. What's the... That's during Tina Marie time too, huh?

A little before. Tina was a little after. Tina was like early 80s. 80s, yeah, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. Tina was like early 80s. 80s, yeah, okay, okay. Yeah. Tina. I remember the first time I heard Tina. If somebody would have told me she was a white

woman, they'd get out of my face. Ain't no way. Nope, yep. When that album came out, she was on the like, yeah came out she was on the like yeah yeah and she was tiny but that voice was booming you know what we know who reminds me of um of tina marie as far as the voice and being so small but they sang christina aguilera christina aguilera yeah oh my goodness unbelievable unbelievable range unbelievable range

crazy they they they I mean even the guys back there all the guys could sing back then oh yeah

oh yeah oh yeah music music ain't like that no more man nah I mean because a lot of guys they started out in groups and then they

they branched off you know um um you know, you know, who that? All the guys really, LTD. What you know about Jeffrey Osborne?

What you know about that, man? Stop playing. Let's go. But see, that's when, but see back in the 70s when I grew up, when the big funk bands,

Earth, Wind & Fire, Parliament, Confunction, Heat Wave, Earth Elements of the Universe, Earth, Wind & Fire, Ohio Players, Bar K's. The Manhattans, the OJs. Man, don't get me started, man. Man, don't get me started, man. I had to meet you here today there's just so many things to say please don't stop me till I'm through yeah come on up

I'm right here with you man let's go oh man yeah that was had to be, what, 70, probably 77? I think 77? It might have been 77 or 76.

One of them. 77. It might have been 79, but I think it's 77. Oh, that's throwback. That's good music. Oh, man. Yeah, I remember, like,

Atlantic Star was, ooh. Secret Lovers. Secret Lovers. Secret Lovers. Yeah. That's what we are. That's the sin for me. Find hard to wait. Oh, I forgot the words.

The way I feel. Uncourteous. Who you got? Marvin Gaye or Al Green? Give me Marvin. I love Reverend Al. I love Reverend Al. Oh, that's you got? Marvin Gaye or Al Green? Give me Marvin. I love Reverend Al. I love Reverend Al. Oh, that's not fair.

Marvin Gaye. Marvin. What Marvin Gaye did at the 1984 or 85 NBA All-Star Game, the way he sang that national anthem. Yeah. That's it for me. That's it for me. I ain't never seen no national anthem sang like that.

Ever. But you know, back then, you know, you had Marvin Gaye, you had Teddy Pendergrass, you had Al Green, you had Barry White,

you had Freddie Jackson, you had, uh, big, uh, uh, Lenny Williams. You, I mean,

you are my lady. That's Freddie. That's fabulous Freddie my love you're everything I need oh my dog what you know about that what I know about I was I was almost a teenager when a lot

of these guys were singing not not not not I was a teenager but because Marvin was in the 70s. And, but all these other guys, I remember very vividly. But see, Ocho, Chick Freak Out. Yeah, that's the jam. Stevie was always, Stevie Wonder was always

Stevie Wonder, 60s, 70s, 80s. He's been that. Right, right. Man. Oh, that's double back. See's that's the kind of music see now look hey there's nothing against it but that i don't i don't really relate to that i i put the grooves on i just rock out with that yeah most definitely i'm the same way i'm the same way what i do do is today's era and today's music i support each and every artist no matter

who it is i i support each and every artist. I buy their stuff. I stream their stuff. But what I continuously listen to is always Obie's. Blues, classical, and jazz. Love it. By Yosef.

Okay. Okay. Hello. Lots of requests for y'all to... I am dreaming by who? Atlantic Star. What you know about that? Hold on, let me see.

My song was Message in a Bottle. Because I've actually sent that song to somebody. Oh, you sent it to, uh? Yeah, I was hurt. No, Ocho, I was... You was hurting? I was hurting, Ocho. I was hurting.

What you did wrong? You did something I was hurting. What you did wrong? You did something wrong. Yeah. What I did wrong? Yeah, you know, I know you did something wrong. Nah, you know, she say,

she got to get away. She got to find herself. And that self wasn't going to be with me. You know, you know what that mean. That's a cop out. Find yourself. I ain't,

no, we ain't going to address that right now. Because self isn't something you find. Self is something you create. Self is a lot like happiness. You don't find happiness. You create happiness. Self isn't something you find.

It's something you create. Come on, preacher. I ain't going to let that go. Come on, preacher. I'm going to let it go. Come on, preacher. Yeah, I ain't falling for that okie doke. Oh, I need some time to myself.

For what? Uh-uh. Don't do that. Atlantic Star. What was your song on Atlantic Star again? Stand for me. I don't know what to say. My baby.

I thought everything was fine. You said you got to get away to find yourself. He said, lady, can't you tell? It's written all over your face Oh that was so bad My days and nights Man let me stop I need to go on the voice I need to go on the voice

So think about the misery That you're gonna put me through. Goodbye. Goodbye. Doesn't mean a thing to you and I. No, it don't. Ooh, that's a jam. Let's go.

My love has stood the test of time. Yes, it has. If you plan on leaving me behind. He said, Ojo, he said, let me put one more thing on your mind. If you ever need me, baby. He said, send for me. He said, send for me. I'm just a telephone call away.

Call away. What the heck? Oh, Joe, you know I got... Hold on. What's the song? I'm Dreaming. Am I Dreaming by Atlantic Star. I don't remember this.

I remember... Am I Dreaming? I never heard of that. Oh, Am I Dreaming. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. You got to play... just play it real quick and it'll come to you when you hear it. You hear it?

Hold on just a second. No, I don't want to play it because I know they got that clearance thing. No, I don't remember this. Yeah, listen. Hey, listen. This is the beat. Things are kind of hazy.

And my head's all cloudy inside. You know it. When you hear inside. You know it. You know it. When you hear it, you know it. Now I've heard talk of angels. But I never thought I'd have to call mine. What's a song we can sing? You and I both know.

See you. Oh, my God. Hey, listen. That Atlantic Star song they talking about, Am I Dreaming? See you Oh my God Hey listen That Atlantic Star song they talking about Am I Dreaming When you hear it When you hear it It's gonna hit you

But I ain't got the range to be hitting them notes Oh that's classic, man. Am I dreaming? Oh, they bringing back memories. Yeah, they are. I think of it. I had to meet you here today. There's just so many things to say.

Now, please don't stop me. Till I'm through. Yeah. What's y'all country song? Country? Yes. Red Solo Cup? Hold on.

Only really country song I know is... Oh, you know a song? Which one? I used to... I love, I still play it. Uh-huh. Hold on. Michael McDonald? What would you know about Michael McDonald, man?

Come on, man. I'm not in love anymore. I keep forgetting things will never be the same again I keep forgetting How you made it so clear Every time I see your smile You know that you can only stay a while What you know about that? Man, you heard I was word for word with you now. only stay a while. See?

What you know about that? Man, you heard I was word for word with you now. I can't forget. That's the jam. I keep forgetting things out now. She's trying to make the kids go to bed.

You're the kids of all. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. to make the kids go to bed. Leave the kids alone. What do people want to hear, man? What y'all want to hear? Just the two of us. Oh, what about two occasions? And Bobby Caldwell. What they won't do for love? Come on, Ocho.

Two occasions. I only think of you on two occasions. That's day and night. Yeah. I go for broke if I could be with you. Only you can make it right. Only you. Bill Withers, yeah, he sung that Just the Two of Us, yeah

Just the two of us We can make it if we try And they regained it with Grover Washington Just the two of us You and I Do do do do do do do I hear the crystal raindrops fall And the beauty of it all.

Sun comes shining through. Everything you name, I know the words. Just the two of us. We can make it if we. Oh, I got one. I got one right here.'m gonna just i'm gonna just start off with hold on hold on hold on i'm gonna start i'm gonna start out with the first the first the first words and i know you're gonna know it hold on hold on Hold on.

Don't you remember you told me you love me, baby. We got to sing a song, Ojo. I'm waiting on you. You tell me what we're singing. I'm going to go on my little memory bank. You're going to go on your little memory bank? Yeah, I'm going to rock out. Some of it, you know how you always know the first verse?

Mm-hmm. Sometimes I got to look at the words. But that first verse, I know that first verse off rip. You know Careless Whisper? What you... Do I know Careless Whisper? Yeah. Wait, hold on. Why would you say that?

I'm thinking about Secret Lovers for some reason. Nah. Hold on, hold on. Careless Whisper. Hold on, hold on. I like Sade. I got... I like Tar Baby.

I like Sade. I like Tar Baby. I like... I'll say Some of the Heart. What's the name of that song, Sade? Oh, you're talking about George Michael. George Michael's Curse Whisperer. I feel so unsure. I can't hear I can't, I can't,

I can't. Take your hand and lead you to the, as the music dies, something in your eyes, call to mind the silver screen and all it's sad. I'm never going to dance again. The guilty feet have got no rhythm. Though it's easy to pretend.

I know you're not a fool. I should have known better than to cheat a friend. I've been given. So I'm never going to dance again. The way I dance with you Okay, let's hit the last part. The night the music seemed so loud I wish that we could lose this crowd

Maybe it's better this way We heard each other with the things we wanted to say We could have been so good together We could have spent this dance forever. Now he's going to ask, who's going to dance with me? Oh, Joe. We got to get you out of here.

I'm out of tools, bro. Who? I ain't had no peppermint tea, that's why. You ain't had no peppermint tea? I ain't had no peppermint tea, that's why. You ain't had no peppermint tea? I ain't had no peppermint tea. I'm drinking Coke. Why you drinking Coke? You about to go to bed.

Oh, yeah, I'm going to bed no matter what. I got to fight. This is no. No, can I? Baby. Check this out. Let me highlight you real quick. Papa came to see

some things that she could not believe. How could her girl be so naive? Ta, baby. I don't know that. I don't know that song. The secret she conceived. Yeah. I don't know that. I don't know that song. The secret she conceived.

Yep. I got real sitting here. That big old smile of yours. With her sitting here, I'm going to sing better. You're going to sing better? Yeah, I can sing better because she's in my presence, so I got to show off. I got to show out. Hold on just a second.

Me, me, me, me, me, me, me. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. Sherelle says she want to hear out. Hold on. Just a second. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. Sherelle says she want to hear Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. What you know about that, man? I forgot who sang that. Sherelle.

That's who sung that. Oh, yeah, it is. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm trying to wait on to give me a song. What you want to sing? What are we going to close it out with, Ocho? I know, I'm ready to close it out, whatever you want. No, I'm going to go.

Tell Real what you want to hear. What's the song you want us to close the show out with? Well, I want to sing that thing. Oh, that's why we were just singing it? Yeah. I got my thing. Real, for real? Oh, yeah. Oh, that's why we were just singing it. Yeah. For real? Oh, like that.

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Saturday love. That's too fast, though, baby. Your love is king. I'm trying to think. Yeah, I don't know. We should end it with Luther. I could aim,

but I could not fire. I got a bullet to spare to kill my desire. Who's calling the shots? Hey, you know, you need to be...

You need to be... Boy, you really you need to be must make peace. Boy, you really into that too, boy. I got the ass closed and all. Yeah. You know you need to be singing too. Go ahead over there. I'm just saying. Ain't too often you know somebody

to have or have not. Okay. Won't have got to seize. Okay. I like that. I like that. What song is that? Don't know where to point this. War of the Hearts with Shot A.

Okay, okay, okay. We should know about Shot A. Come on, man. Man, you better stop. That's all I listen to. That's all I listen to. You better stop. So, we're going to take notes. We're about to sign off. We done been on here almost two hours, Ocho. You know that? For real? For sure.

And I got to go to work in the morning. I got to go to work in the morning. So, we're going to check back. Give us some songs that y'all think Ocho and I should sing. Yeah. I'm more towards like Sade, Maxwell. He seems to be more like upbeat tempo. She's talking about singing Ebony Eyes.

Who sing? That's Rick James. Yeah. Ebony Eyes. Yeah. I can't play it on air. Ba na na na. Can't you be lovers and friends?

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