Nightcap - Nightcap - CJ Stroud For MVP, Lamar Can't Close, Dak Prescott's Top 5?

Episode Date: November 13, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson discuss the Raiders’ win against the Jets (4:00), CJ Stroud’s case for MVP as a rookie quarterback (13:00), Lamar Jackson’s reliability (28:00), whether or not Dak Prescott is elite (41:00), Bill Belichick’s costly mistake for the Patriots (1:02:00), and Texas A&M firing Jimbo Fisher (1:19:00). #Club #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I'm sure there's some uh what are the scorpios sagittarius i don't capricorn i don't know what it is but i know somebody got some birthdays out there so go ahead and pick up your bottle for i don't know if you're a capricorn i think capricorn uh is december uh january january night january night that's me capricorn so yeah so december and so i don't know what uh nove. Sagittarius? I don't know. But anyway, thank you. Thank you again. And we're going to get right into it, Ocho. Raiders beat the Jets.

I think the final score was, what was the final score? 12 to 17. 16-12. 16-12. 16-12. Zach Wilson, 23 of 39, 263, one pick. Jets were 0 for 1 in the red zone. Aiden O'Connell for the Raiders was 16-27, 153-1 touchdown, 1 pick.

Take away from tonight's game. I mean, it was a sloppy game. It was a sloppy game from two teams that haven't been playing well all year. To me, obviously, Zach Wilson has to play better. He has to play better. There was on the interception, on the interception that Zach threw, if the people that were watching, you could see it was somewhat of a,

stay with me, baby. It was a time and throw. It was a time and throw and the backer going out to the flat ruined the timing of Lazard getting to the spot. And that's why Robert, is it Robert? Yeah, Robert Spillane was able to pick that off. So he threw off the time in just a split second

and then the interception happened. The Jets did get the ball back and almost had opportunity to try and score, but obviously they didn't. The Raiders did what they needed to do. The Raiders did what they needed to do to win the game

and the fact that they are playing the way they are for their new head coach, interim head coach, Antonio Pierce, says a lot. Says a lot about the players. It says a lot about him players it says a lot about him

and what he's been able to instill in those in those fellas in such a short amount of time they were really really sick of their head coach now that I've done a little bit more homework and talked to a few of the players on the team they gave me a better assessment on how they really felt about McDaniels and that I didn't know it was that bad obviously on the outside looking in after talking to a few players you know I'm not going to say any names. They said, yeah, we were sick and tired of that. And they was ready. They was ready to fold.

He's not a people's person. I talked to him when he was in Denver. I talked to a lot of people and not just on the team, not just players. But I'm talking about coaches. I'm talking about upper. I'm talking about people just in the building. And I'm not going to say what they called him. But let's just say he's not a good person.

And nobody was sad to see him go. That being said, Ocho, I told you at the beginning of the year. Right. You know, in the nutrition world, they say you can't exercise a bad diet. In football, you can't overcome bad quarterback play. Consistent bad quarterback play. I don't care how great your defense is. And I tried to tell you that.

And the Jets has an outstanding defense. But eventually you'll wear down. And it's hard to play like that when your quarterback is like this. The reason why he picked it, look, Spillane is the middle backer. He picked the spot route because he stared him down.

Ocho, from the time he caught the ball, he never took his eyes off Lazard. He's in the middle of the field. He's like, oh, that's where you're going? He never looked at Lazard. He just took off to a spot. But again, if you watch the replay

again, the fact he's going to the flat, I'm not sure what number five name was. He ran into Lazard and threw off the timing to him. Lazard getting to the spot. So Zach was already letting it go because he anticipated him already being there. But when the backer ran into Lazard a little bit, it threw off the timing for a split second. That split second is all it took. But again, you're right. He does have to play better. He has to minimize the turnovers and give his team a chance to win a game and today he

didn't do that it's really hard to play football like that because i was in the office like that that's why we were in the ravens we knew if we got a lead right raiden would tell us hey shea give us a seven give us 10 give us 10 early and don't turn it over yeah we knew if we got up seven without a scooping score or pick six you couldn't beat us right you there's no way you could drive 80 yards you couldn't drive 80 yards to get a field goal and you damn sure we're gonna drive 75 80 yards to get a touchdown that wasn't gonna happen so but to understand Ocho it's hard to play because you're playing for one play you're hoping to have the perfect play call and catch the defense out of position just

once that's all you got to do and for him he's just like i mean there's certain things that just comes along with playing but like you said just looking up you use these guys move with eyes oh yeah formation they see hey yeah you that's why you see guys that's what the really good one can do they'll look over here and knowing they're going over there. All they try to do is move one person. I have a question on such a short route. And he was already, I think, was he already in the gun? Do you have time to look forward just to hold that line back there

and then come back to your spot route? Do you have time to do that? Yes, you do. Because all you want to do, all you want to do is catch it. You want to keep your eyes downfield. You you either go into the swing of the spot right you know when you go it's kind of like that's why you have the advantage on the db because you know what route you want to run right right right even though he might okay it's a formation okay i know patterns but he still is guessing you know absolutely i got the dig I got the out I got the bang you

already know that right he knows he's swinging it or he's going to the spot one of the I ain't got to look at it it's just like you you don't got to look at the spotlight man let's see okay I got 10 I got a 12 yard I got a 10 roll to 12 I'm looking at that you don't got to look at that because you already know what

you got on Joe you don't got to look at that spot right and that but that just comes along with timing the only thing I'm going at that. You don't got to look at that because you already know what you got, Ojo. You don't got to look at that spot. Right. But that just comes along with timing. The only thing I'm going to say is, AP, your team played really hard. Don't take this game from them. You run that football, make them burn that final timeout, and put it. You do not let them hang on to that timeout. Right.

Don't – they fought too hard. Don't you take that a game from them. Don't try to that timeout. Right. Don't, don't, don't, they fought too hard. Don't you take that a game or from them. Don't try to be a hero. Look at what you got. Now you've got a rookie quarterback. Aaron Rogers, Patrick Mahomes. Okay.

Hey, I will trust them. Right. And that's it. Yes. Yes. But more times than not, I can't burn. Say, say it's third and two.

But I'm running the football, Ocho. They're not hanging on to that timeout. Right. You're going to burn that timeout. Right. You're going to get this ball back with no timeouts. And if you go down there and get a touchdown, that's on my defense. Yeah.

That's on my defense. Right. But there's no way that was supposed to happen. Oh, man. Dang. We sold out again? You sold out that fast? We just finished.

They just restocked it, Ocho. They just restocked it. Wait, you sold out that fast already? I sold out that fast already. We're going to make sure we have it back up there for you tomorrow. Make sure we have it back up there for you tomorrow make sure we have it back up there for you tomorrow guys can you explain to me what is it it's cognac right

it's a cognac yes it's a VSOP man I need to start drinking I need to start drinking with that cigar because you know we're in the 8 bar in the resorts world so we're in there in Brezza.

Wait, Resorts World in Vegas? Yeah. That's where I'm going tomorrow. Yeah. If you go to 8 or Brezza, ask for Shea Ballaborg. Wait a minute. They got my cigars in 8. Yes.

Baby, they got my cigars. That's in 8, right? Man, they got my cigars in 8. Man, right? Man, they got my cigar at eight. Man, we got to do something there at eight, man. We got to do something at Resort World together. You want to do something doing the Subo? Yeah, man. Okay.

Maybe we can have a show. We can have a show at eight and just like sit down and have people come. I know the volume was talking about having something live probably Thursday night. They were trying to work on a venue. I did talk to the bosses at Resorts World. They were game. And so that's

something that we're definitely going to try and put together. But congratulations to the Raiders. They got a last week of victory with another victory. So that's two wins in a row. Jets lost last week, right? Yeah, it's two in a row. Yeah, it's two in a row.

Yeah, that's two in a row. They won the previous three and they lost the last two. Yeah. So thank you guys again. I'm sorry that LaPorte is already sold out, but I promise you,

we'll get it back up there tomorrow. We'll have it back up. So thank you guys again. CJ Stroud. Woo! He went to the jungle. He went to the jungle. He went to the jungle. Don't do that.

He banged on his, what they call that, shield. Yeah. And said, Joe Burrow. Yeah. Where you at? He did. Where you at? Listen, I can't even argue with you.

I can't even argue because I can't even argue the fact. Forget him beating the Bengals. Forget that part. Forget about the game he had today. I want to talk about what he's done the past nine weeks as a quarterback that they questioned coming out in the draft. Talk about this test and that test.

Oh, we don't know if he's worth the number two pick. Man, listen, he is a rookie that's playing at the MVP level. Please tell me when's the last time you've seen a rookie play at a level like this and win an MVP. Has it ever happened before? Not in the quarter. The only rookie to ever win the MVP is Jim Brown.

He did that in 57 as a running back. A running back. That's what I'm saying. Not as a quarterback. Because here's the pocho. This is what you got to look at. Think about what they're asking him to do. They're not running the football. They're not doing what they did for big ben with jerome bettis and

willie parker and you got that we're gonna play outstanding defense behind our run game no they put the ball in this kid's hands he has the second most passing yards in the nfl sam howell passed him uh he took the lead sam howellell passed. Right. 15 touchdowns. Two interceptions. Well, the rookie of the year is over. That's done. Now, let's have a serious discussion. This kid, he's smack dabbing Ocho.

Let's have a real talk. Yeah. At the quarterback position, he's played the best quarterback thus far. I'm not saying he's the best quarterback. But he played the best quarterback so far, yeah. not saying he's the best quarterback. But he's played the best quarterback so far, yeah. Through nine weeks, if you look at the totality and what he's done. Now, this is back-to-back weeks, Ocho.

As a rookie, he's got game-winning drive. One, he got a touchdown in 40 seconds. He had 46 on the clock. He did it in 40. Yeah. Now, he throws a horrible interception and guess what he does? He says, no, don't worry about it. I got this.

Listen, the funny thing about Stroud, this is crazy. Right now in the season, he has 2,626 pass yards, 15 touchdowns. We in week nine, he only threw his second interception today. That's it. His second interception was today.

To be a rookie, to come into the NFL and have them put the ball in your hands and say, you lead us. I'm not talking about cross the routes. I'm not talking about check down. I'm talking about digs, curls, corner routes, deep posts, streaks. He's throwing everything from one to nine of the route tree yeah

he has so much poise and his ability to process the game even in clutch situations which he was able to do the past two weeks to be able to do that

at this level as a rookie it's like he's been here before and he's playing like a goddamn veteran he is he is and that's the like a goddamn veteran. He is. He is. And that's the thing, Ocho, is that when they put the ball in his hand,

they're not running, running, okay, we're going to throw a third down. They say, nah, they'll throw it on first down. They'll throw it on any down, any area of the field. That's immense. That shows. He's shown them something in practice, in training camp, in camp in otas that we can't put enough on his plate that he can't digest it yeah he's been phenomenal and i'm not so sure if you go back and look at the interception he threw i think dale is running a shallow and he started to climb

you know on a shallow if you climb that guy gonna jet it he's gonna go up underneath it yeah taylor brit yeah you came right up on you hey you got hey if that shallow if it's cool i don't know if he's supposed to do this now but but we ran the shallow we ran it from four to six you can run four yards you couldn't get deeper than six six yeah if you climb and all of a sudden you go eight to ten that db gonna jump up underneath right up underneath and go the other way that's exactly what he did the texas the texas the texas are five and four right yes they're five they got five wins let me give you their schedule if you don't have it they got the cardinals they got the titans twice they got the broncos the jets and the colts along with the

browns at home so me looking at it they have a great opportunity to be, what, damn near 10-4? They definitely probably going to be a favorite over the Cardinals. They'll probably be a favorite. Over the Titans. I will. At least once. At least once.

At least once? Yes. Broncos, a lot of this is going to be contingent, Ocho, on where they play. Right. If they get some of these, well, we know Titans are in the same division, so we know they're going to be home and away. So they're going to get one of those at home.

They get the Browns at home. The Browns probably will be favored in that one. But I'm going to be shocked if the Colts, especially if the Colts have to go to Houston and the Broncos have to go to Houston, that they'll be favored over the Texans. I have a question. Do you really, I mean, the fact that you played, do you really think home and away really matters that much? Because I'm thinking, I'm just, from my experience,

I prefer playing away from home as opposed to being at home. It really didn't bother me. I like the hostile environments. What about you? Well, I'm just saying for betting purposes. Oh, okay, okay, okay. I'm just saying for betting purposes as being favored to win the game.

Now, just because you're favored, it doesn't mean you're going to win the game because it's not like you get those points that the other team is favored by. So with that being said, but if you look at CJ and the way he's playing, bro, you saw what Cincinnati did to the 49ers. We saw what they did to who that Seattle. I think that was Seattle that they played. And for a rookie to go in there, he outplayed Joe Burrow. And Joe Burrow didn't play bad.

No, he didn't play bad at all. We had our opportunity. We as a team, we had opportunities to win the game. It just didn't fall in our favor. And I think the way it ended for the Bengals today, I tell you, I don't know why God put this on my heart. I think the game

ended today purposely because we're going to be in a position later on, and Tyler Boyd is going to be in a position to get us into the playoffs. It's just the way the game works for some reason. I just know it. He wasn't supposed to catch that ball today. And what's going to happen, he's going to be in a position later on,

and he's going to have an important catch that's going to get us into the playoffs, and we're going to make a run from that point on. CJ Stroud told The Athletic this week, I never drafted a quarterback who didn't play another sport growing up. I never drafted a QB without talking to his teammates first. And I'd have to sit down with him and watch film. And I would make him explain where do the rules stop? Where do, where the instincts kicking in? Let that sink in for a second. He says, okay, you got a son, you got a script here. Why? Right. Well, let me tell you what i saw let me tell you

what i'm thinking because at some point in time that's this is why the days of the pagan manning and the drew brees and and the tom brady right statuesque guy that just plays solely mainly 90 from the pocket it's over you're gonna have to get off script because you know what ocho i'm gonna be able i'm gonna call a plate and you know what, Ocho? I'm going to call a plate. And you know what happened? Those X's on the other side, they start moving around. Oh, yeah. So what happens when I call a plate and it breaks down and I need you, CJ, to go make a plate?

Plate. So he says, I want to be able to explain to you. You see why I did that? Well, let me tell you what I saw. I saw this, and I was like, okay, you know what? They're going to take one away. I can go to two, but I see they got two bracketed. So now, he talks like a guy that's been in the league five, six years.

That ain't no rookie talk. Bro, did you hear what he said? I wouldn't draft a quarterback that didn't play another sport. I wouldn't draft a quarterback without talking to his teammates. And I want to sit down and watch film with him and make him explain to me. What if the rules stopped and the instincts kick in? I'm like, wow. The one

thing I do like about Stroud is he's a dual threat quarterback, but he's a pocket passer first. He runs when he has to run. He's not just taking off just but he's a pocket passer first. He runs when he has to run. Yeah. That's it. He's not just taking off just to take off. Listen, Noah Brown, Nico Collins, saving a day.

And Tank Dale. Well, Tank Dale is special. Tank Dale is special. They're going to be a really good, nice one-two combo for years to come. They played Tank Dale today. Ocho, you know that's the same noah brown that was in dallas it is that is it hey i ain't even realized man he bought man he balling yeah that's him yo man hey noah brown i know you're gonna see this boy i see you boy

i see you boy sometimes sometimes the chain of Boy, I see you, boy. I see you, boy. Sometimes the chain of scenery does wonders for you. Man, I salute you, homie. Someone named Doug Sanders just donated $100. Do we know him? Do we know Doug? Doug! Doug, you got money.

Doug donated $100? Sports Addict just donated $20. Ask us to recall the hardest hit we've ever taken Oh I know mine is Somebody caught you I bet you got caught on the slant too Either a slant or a seam I got caught on the overrides I got two

Rest his soul Orlando Thomas I ran a far cross And check this out what made it so bad He picked it So I'm looking for the ball Like this I ran a far cross. Yeah. And check this out. What made it so bad? He picked it. So I'm looking for the ball like this. He jumps up. Knee catching me in the chin.

I'm out. I'm out before I even hit the dirt. Wait, Al Cole? Before I hit the turf. Wait, Al Cole? Out. Out. O-U-W-T. Out.

Picked it. But you know back there, Ocho, they come to the sideline. Smelling salt? Little smelling salt. You know, hey, how many fingers I got up? You know, they ain't do but one or two. You got a 50% chance. O2, okay, you good.

Go back in there. And then, and I got hit. You know, they ain't do but one or two. You got a 50% chance. Oh, two. Okay, you good. Go back in there. And then, and I got hit by the Raiders. I forget the linebacker's name. We were in a two tight end set. Tiger said 12 personnel. And normally I'm playing wide. Normally

I play Tiger, but I'm playing wide in this situation. Chamberlain's playing the Tiger. They walk the Sam Backer. Anytime they walk the Sam Backer, what you thinking, Ocho, on another tight end? I'm thinking man. Man, yeah. Obviously, that's the only reason he walked, though.

Check this out. The Tiger tight end's going to run a goal. I'm going to run a flat. It's cover two. Don't tell me the corner's sad the corner is the is the Sam backer the quarterback didn't see it

didn't see it he's thinking Ocho he's thinking the same thing I'm thinking they walk the same I'm like I'm gonna catch

Ocho I see that and then Ocho you know what I'm thinking I say ooh ooh that mean the mic gotta cover me I'm gonna I will catch going to catch, hey, Ocho, I see that. And then Ocho, you know what I'm thinking? I said, ooh, ooh, that mean the mic got to cover me? I'm going to catch this flat rock. I'm going to turn this thing up.

Up for you. Ooh, oh, yeah. You know what I mean? You running hard, Ocho, you pumping that head on him. Yeah. Man, Ocho, I did this right here. Yeah. Ocho, he hit me so hard, he knocked my helmet off.

Babe. Wait, he didn't knock you out, though. You got up? I got up. I got up. I don't know how. Yeah. I got a couple of legs.

I got hit. A dude, Ocho, I done took some legs. I took took one i caught a shallow cross ocho got a block and turned up and by that time i had a fracture my eye socket at the end of 95 so i was wearing a shield right ocho i caught it i turned up i didn't see dude the safety came hit me dead on the side of my head. He said, they say, hey, Red, that a way to bring the wood? And I'm thinking to myself, I'm laying on the ground, I said, what wood he brought? Ocho, he cracked my shield like a windshield. Really?

You know how hard it was to crack it? He cracked it. Yeah, that's crazy. That's why he cracked it. We were playing the Browns. We were playing at home. I'll never forget this. And a lot of people remember, this is the era during the time where I had the blonde mohawk.

I'm in my prime now. I'll never forget. Two by two set. Okay. You know, when you got two receivers on one side and it's third down, slant's coming. Oh, yeah. Double slant. Double slant's coming.

Man, I run the slantant carson i don't know if the ball might have slipped out of carson hand by accident maybe a tad bit i the ball was too high kareem abdul-jabbar couldn't court this ball what do i do you jump for it jump anyway trying to go get it i'd never forget this man brian russell brian russell the safety for the browns at the time hit me up under my chin my helmet went flying one way his blood gushing my jersey i'm knocked out on the field i'm knocked out cold like knock out cold i think he played for the bikers too ocho check and see if brian russell played for the bikers because i think he got me too, Ocho. He did? I think he did. Unk, Unk, listen.

I was knocked out. I'm talking about knocked out. Like when you're in the boxing ring and somebody knocks you out and you sleep? Yeah, yeah. I would sleep on the field. Then, I'm not sure

what happened after that. In 2000, in 2002, 2002. He got me too, Ocho. That was him? Listen. He got an unnecessary roughness. He talking about my bad. I said, what you mean your bad?

You dirty mofo. No, he put his helmet right up under my chin on the scene, Rob. I had the stitches. You can still see. You can still see with the gas. I had a big gas. Then after the game, the media wanted to interview me. I'm still concussed.

Like, I'm sure when they edit this and we talk about this, you can see me after the game. I'm still concussed. All, I'm sure when they edit this and we talk about this, you can see me after the game. I'm still concussed. All I want to know is how did Lee Barden do? Like, you can tell I'm still woozy. Dude, I never, ever, ever,

ever been hit like that again. And obviously, that's the hardest hit because I didn't see it coming. The stuff with Ray Lewis and stuff, I see those hits coming so you're able to tense

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With nine minutes left in the game, they're up 31-17. Yeah. 31-17. Now, at one point in the fourth quarter, the Ravens had a 97.1% chance of winning.

Right. Yeah. Ocho, I think we owe it to ourselves. We've got to have these conversations, 97.1% chance of winning. Right. Yeah. Ocho, I think we owe it to ourselves. We've got to have these conversations, these very, very tough, difficult conversations about Lamar. We got to have them. You saw what happened in Pittsburgh.

A fumble and a pick. Yeah. You saw what happened today, Ocho. Another pick six today, late in the ballgame, Ocho. Yeah. Now, see, Ocho, when I get in here, when I talk on television and you and I have these conversations, I don't like to deal with conjecture. I don't like to deal with speculation, and I don't like to deal with innuendo.

I like to deal with facts. Ten games into the season, Lamar Jackson has thrown as many touchdowns as Matt Jones. Matt Jones got bitched for the third time today. He's fumbled ten times and lost five. He has as many turnovers as he has touchdowns. Now, this ain't no conjecture. Oh, this ain't no speculation.

This ain't innuendo. These are facts. Right. And people don't want to have those conversations. Now, I'm telling you, he's thrown for as many touchdowns as Matt Jones. Matt Jones has been benched three times this year. He's fumbled 10 times, lost five. Right.

And he has as many turnovers as touchdowns. Remember, we talked about one thing, right? We talked about one thing, is when you're turning the ball over, it's hard for you to overcome it depending on who your team is and who you have at the helm running the offense. So he's had 10 overs and lost five of them. The Ravens are still 7-3.

Yes. The Ravens are still 7-3 and atop of the division. They have a very special defense. They have a very special defense. At one point in the game, the Ravens were up 24-9 early in the third quarter. Yes. The play from quarterback Deshaun Watson in the first half, it was ridiculous. It was 16 for 20, but 75, 79 yards and interception.

Deshaun Watson in the second half, who brought them boys back to life. He was 14 for 14, 150 yards in a TD. So was it really Lamar Jackson or the fact that Deshaun Watson and the Browns were able to turn things around and get themselves back in the game? So Deshaun Watson got a tie ball game and he didn't step on the field. So that pick six, was that Deshaun Watson? No, that pick six, that was a phenomenal tip ball that went in the air. You can't control that.

It was a tip ball. Ocho. Ocho. Go ahead. But see, this is what you do. So on that touchdown to Odell Beckham. So was that Lamar Jackson or was that Odell Beckham? Who gets the touchdown pass?

Hey, that was beautiful. Who gets the touchdown pass? You, that was beautiful. Who gets the touchdown pass? You see what you want to do? You want to give on a five-yard route, you want to give all the credit to the quarterback. When it comes to the interceptions, we make all these excuses. I mean, it was the tip ball.

I'm just saying, these are facts, right? It was a fact, but it still is on Lamar Jackson. That is something that you can't control. That's a part of the game. You know, you throw a pass and a lineman tips it or a backer tips it

and it gets picked off and goes the other way. Greg Newsom made a great play. There's nothing you can do about that. Things like that happen. But again, the fact of the matter is

the Ravens are still a great offense. Lamar is still very, very dynamic and giving his team an opportunity to win week in and week out because he is so special at the quarterback position despite the turnovers, despite the interceptions. Ocho, you think, Ocho, 10 games into the season, you think you're going to be able to overcome come playoff time when your quarterback turns the ball over that much? You think you're going to be able to overcome that?

But you know it's a good thing? You know it's a good thing? Get the mistakes and the turnovers out the way now. But if you could be 73 and still be sitting atop the AFC, going into the tail end of the year, you're going to clean those mistakes up. So what happens when you clean those mistakes up?

Then what? Oh, Joe, what's Lamar's history in the playoffs? Remember the first time after the MVP season? Yes, sir. He had five turnovers against Tennessee. Yeah. The next year, he goes to beat Tennessee. What happens when he's in the division around?

He goes to Buffalo. He turns the ball over. Yeah. Pittsburgh, a pick in the hand zone. He fumbled, strip sack. Today, another pick. Indy, they lost to Indy. Gardner Minshew, in the fourth quarter,

they had an 88% chance of winning. Pittsburgh, Kenny Pickett, 90.2% chance of winning. Today, Deshaun, I grant it. And Deshaun still, I mean, this was probably the best Deshaun has looked as far as running the football, throwing the football also.

That second half. And two of these three games, you're at home. look as far as running the football, throwing the football also, I'm 97. And two of these three games, you're at home. You got to win those. Come on, Ocho, you got to win that. And let me tell you why you got to win those games. Because who's your quarterback? Lamar Jackson. That's why you got

to win those games. Look, we're not even talking about this if this is Zach Wilson this if this uh uh zach wilson or this if this is you know somebody else right because he's so dynamic because we have such expectations because he is a former mvp right you know the greater the accomplishment the more expectations come along come along with it yeah and i i I think even Lamar even understands that. But the funny thing about this is crazy stat. You know, I was watching

the Browns when playing an AFC opponent and trailing by 14 points before today's game, they were 0-59-1. Yes. 0-59-1 when trailing by 14 and managed to come out

with a W. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean, Lamar didn't have a good day throwing. He missed Zay Flowers early in the game for a touchdown. He overshot him. He had a bad underthrow on another because he had two picks.

One was a pick six and one was a little early in the game. Right. But he has to clean those things up because this might be as wide open as we've seen the AFC in a while. Yeah. Kansas City is not the invisible, the immortal Kansas City that we're used to seeing over the last three to four years. They can be beat.

They can be beat. We just saw the 49ers, who was on a three-game losing streak, go beat the brakes off Jacksonville. We saw Tennessee. We saw, excuse me, not Tennessee. We just saw the Texans with a rookie quarterback go to the jungle and the guy stared down Joe Burrow. So there are no like invincibles out there. Nah.

So this might be, this is the opportunity for Lamar and the Ravens. But I am, I will say this, Ojo, This is the opportunity for Lamar and the Ravens. But I will say this, Ojo. I was surprised at how well the Browns moved the ball. Even though that pick's sick. Yes, yes, yes. I was very surprised at how well they moved the ball.

Breeze just donated $20 and asked, what's one player y'all hated going against one player hated going against that's that's a good one when i think when i think about the landscape of the nfl especially during my day it would always probably be the steelers the steelers or the ravens obviously but i i got up for that uh james harrison ike taylor the shade townsend but see you ain't have to block james i mean try blocking try blocking reggie white at 228 try blocking bruce smith try blocking michael strahan that's bad that's bad for you i got derrick thomas uh uh kevin green i got leslie o'neill uh Howie Long, Greg Townsend. All of them in my division.

Yeah, but you have to think, I did all the trash talking through the week, so I had 11 people trying to knock my head off. Trying to kill me. At every given time. And I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that. I waited to the game. We had some battles because rest your soul,

Cortez Kennedy, Chester McLaughlin. Yeah, Chester was in Seattle. I was in Denver. Chet was at Kansas City and the Raiders. Later was a teammate of mine. But those were some battles. I mean, I don't think you really hated going against anybody. I think you welcomed the opportunity because you know what was in front of you.

You know what's at stake. Especially playing, especially if it was a division rival. Some guys like you weren't familiar with, you only saw them like once every two to three years. So you weren't kind of familiar with those guys. You kind of didn't know what to expect. Are they going to play snap the whistle or snap the after the whistle?

So you really kind of didn't know what to expect. So I just want to hey guys, how we doing this thing today? We going snap the whistle, snap the really kind of didn't know what to expect. So I just want to you know, hey guys, how we doing this thing today? We going snap the whistle, snap down to the whistle, because I'm going, hey, I'm ready. Whatever you want to do. Yeah, because I got to make sure, I'm going to give it, I'm going to play for Shifford and Hamlin, because I'm going to make sure you get this itch back.

Oh yeah, you're going to get it back now. You do all this cheap shot, don't think I ain't going to get you back. I'm going to get you back. The Chargers lose 41-38 and you know, in games like this, when it's going up and down, you know, Turner was going to get you back. The Chargers lose 41-38. And, you know, in games like this, when it's going up and down, you know Turner was going to cost you the ball game. Oh, yeah.

I'm going to say this. And I don't really advocate for anybody to lose their job. No, don't do that. But Brandon Staley is a defensive guy. He got the job even though his defense was middle of the pack when he was at the range. The Chargers have gave up 500 yards of offense for the second time this season, and they've given up at least 475 four times.

A defense, they got Khalil Mack, Joey Bosa, Derwin James, Asante Samuel Jr., Kenneth Murray, Sebastian Day. Derwin James. That's unacceptable, Ocho. Take off. What you got? It is. Listen, it's unacceptable, but again, they were playing Jared Goff and the very, very, very, very, very, very, very hot Detroit Lions who are on a roll right now.

They're on a roll offensively. Amon St. Brown, Jameer Gibbs, David Montgomery. Stop playing. Stop playing. So I get it. I get it. Giving up 533 yards of offense, even though Brandon Stadium defense, they rank 24th. They're at the bottom of the pack, too.

Yeah. But how? Oh, Joe, you got Khalil Mack, who's the defensive player of the year. You got Joey Bosa. You got Derwin James. You got Kenneth Murray. You got Asante Samuel Jr. You got Sebastian Day.

The funny thing about it is all the names sound beautiful. It looks great on paper. But then you have to go out there and execute Brandon Stanley's defense. And that just ain't happening. It's just not happening. So, what happened?

Yeah. Now you getting to my point, see? Yeah. Offense is good, though. Yes. I mean, Keenan Allen, what, 11-4, buck bucks 75 he's going haywire the last three four weeks yeah uh i mean eckler gonna get you gonna get your touchdown he's a fan he's a fantasy guy if you draft him he's gonna win you a lot of fantasy draft yeah but this is this is i mean

the offense i mean you look at them they go up and down the field too but in a game like this one turnover i mean uh her Herbert turned the ball over once and that's kind of what's the difference in the ball game. Right. Because you look late in the ball game, the Lions move right up the field. Mm-hmm.

To leave Raymond, ran right up the field, 41-yard completion, boom. Walk-off field goal. Game over. Yes! So, obviously,

really both sides, well, obviously, the Lions defense wasn't playing really well at all because they also gave up 31-38. We had 38 points. 41-38.

Because they gave up 38 points. Yeah. 41-38 was the final. They played bad, too. Yeah. But see, I got the ball last. See, I know my defense bad, but guess what? They're not on the field.

I ain't asking my defense to stop you. Right, right, right. You got to ask your sorry defense to stop me. Me. Yeah, you're right. That's crazy. When I think about it, when you look at the roster, especially what Brandon Staley has to work with defensively,

they should be dominating. Like a defense like that should be doing what the Ravens or the Browns are doing. They should be in the upper echelon or top five in defense with that type of roster. But it's just not panning out. Why it's not panning out? Maybe they need to change what they run. Maybe they need to change something up. The Cowboys do a demolition job on the Giants.

The Cowboys have outscored the Giants 89-17. CeeDee Lamb in his last 11 games, 11 catches, a buck 51, one touchdown. Dak Prescott. 11 for 191, 12 for 158, two touchdowns. Dak Prescott. Go ahead. Can you give Dak Prescott his flowers? Say Dak Prescott is a top five quarterback in the NFL.

Can you say that for me? Stop it. So, hold on. Do me a favor. Don't do that. Just give Dak his flowers for me, please. Dak Prescott is a top five quarterback in the NFL right now. Ocho.

Ocho. So, okay. So, you Prescott is a top five quarterback in the NFL right now. Ocho. So you're taking him over Mahomes? You're taking him over Joe Burrow? No. Hold on. Who else? You're taking him over Jalen Hurts? No. You're taking him over Lamar Jackson?

Okay, now we're getting a little iffy. I'm just asking you a simple question. Ain't no iffy. You said he top five. I just named four quarterbacks. Are you taking him over Lamar? Yes or no? Okay, let's make it. He's number five, then boom.

Now what? Now what you got? Now, yeah, yeah. Now what you got? Me, personally, I'm not taking Dak over Trevor Lawrence. What? I'm not taking. You taking him over Jared Goff?

Yo. You taking him over Jared Goff? Yes or no? You got a call? You taking him over Jared Goff? Yo. You taking them over Jared Goff, yes or no? You got a cold? You taking them over Jared Goff, yes or no? Right now? Right now? I don't like when you do that. Why are you trying to discredit what Dak did today?

You told me Dak was the top five. I named you six quarterbacks. I like Dak top five right now. I said, you know, I'm cold in here. I'm cold. I like Dak top five right now. I'm trying to understand how you're going to argue the fact. How you're going to argue the fact.

You're taking him over CJ Stroud? Listen, come on. Don't do the rookie like that. Why are you going to do that? Don't do that. Let me tell you something real quick. Listen to me real quick. Stay with me now. Stay with me, baby.

Okay. CDA, Dak Prescott, 26 for 35, 404 yards, four TDs, one interception. He only played three quarters. Top five. Ocho. Ocho. Top five. Ocho.

Give him his flowers. It's okay. What's his name? Danny DeVito. Danny DeVito done played two games and ain't got 100 yards passing. Listen, they ain't got nothing to do with that. That's the Giants' problem. We ain't got nothing to do with that.

The Dallas Cowboys came in town to play the New York Giants. Yeah. We ain't got nothing to do with their roster. We ain't got nothing to do with their injuries. We ain't got nothing to do with their injuries. We got to go into our job. You'll be the crippled man. So you'll be the crippled man. Man that can't see. Got no arm.

You'll fight him and beat him down. Ain't got nothing to do with me. He should have been talking his ass. He shouldn't have got his ass. Hey, don't get your ass in the ring if you don't want your ass whooped. Oh, man. Oh, that's a shame, Ocho. The Cowboys, look. The Cowboys, the first drive, red zone. They got stopped on the goal line.

Dak threw a pick. But once they got rolling, they did a number on the Giant. They did a number on the Giant. But see, Ocho, this is what I tell. This is what you're supposed to do. A team that you're better than, you're supposed to do a team that you're better than you're supposed to beat the brakes off of why you acting like you just didn't see Dackton play well

last week against the Eagles and what did he do when the rubber needed to meet the road when I needed a touchdown what did he do when I absolutely needed it on the fire what did he give me did the Cowboys not have a chance to win the game?

I got a chance to win the lottery. How many times you done played the lottery you won? You got a chance to win every time. I ain't never played it. Well, you got a chance to win every time. So we're not going to give Dakis Flowers for his performance today? He played exceptionally. Top five.

On whose list? On yours? You want to give me no list. Give me your top five. Name your top five quarterbacks. We just did. You. I named them. You name them. Give me yours. Okay. I'm going Joe Burrow

first. Then Patrick Mahomes. The mere fact that you got Joe Burrow in front of Patrick Mahomes, your list is disqualified. Now, you just told me you said my list. Now, how are you going to change my list? I can't take you serious. You're going to put a guy of a two-time league MVP, a two-time Super Bowl MVP,

and a guy that's never won the award, and you're going to put him in front of him. How can I take your list serious? Okay. Patrick Mahomes. Here. Make you happy. Patrick Mahomes. I already won this. You know what? They say in Japan when somebody dishonors

someone in the family, they turn their back on them. Hey, I would turn my back, but I ain't finished cutting the back of my head. Yeah. Show them that swatch you left up there. I've been like a topical man. I ain't finished cutting my head, man. Okay, but go ahead.

I want to get your top five quarterbacks. Okay, you got Joe Burrow. Okay, no, no. Listen, all jokes aside obviously we know patrick mahomes is always first based on everything he's accomplished to this point um i like i like joe first obviously josh allen um jalen hurts and then i go lamar jackson dac lamar jackson dac 5a 5b if i can do that please if i can do that because it's my list okay okay i'm just saying and then that shouldn't Please, if I can do that, because it's my list. Yeah, it's your list. Okay, I'm just saying.

That shouldn't be an argument. That shouldn't be an argument. It's very fair to the way he's played. I ain't trying to be fair. When I went to the fair, I got a candy apple. I got cotton candy. I rode the merry-go-round. I petted a goat one time at the fair.

I ain't trying to be fair. Give me a list. See, that's your problem. You're trying to be fair. You're trying to fit everybody's feelings. I gave it to you. I gave it be fair. I gave it to you. I gave it to you. I gave it to you.

Deck top five, though. Okay. I ain't going that far, but okay. So, still they haven't got their running game, man. The Cowboys. Are you okay with their running game? Yeah. Because I thought there would be better. You remember how,

how well Pollard ran the ball last year? And you remember last year when they got the ball down there, that was Zeke. I think Zeke had 12 rushing touchdowns. Downs last year, yeah. He wasn't, he wasn't the explosive player

that he was his first couple years in the league, but he was a plow horse. He was no longer a thoroughbred. He was a plow horse and he could plow the ball into the end zone. I think they missed that. I really do. I really think they missed Zeke. I mean, listen, they're running the ball efficient.

I mean, efficient. We're running the ball efficient. They're not using the run to open up the pass because the pass is exceptionally well. Gallup playing well. Gallup played well today. Brandon Cook played exceptionally well today. Exceptional. CeeDee Lamb is on a goddamn tear.

So at that point, when you got to pick your poison on who to stop, do you even need to run a game? Is it a factor? You need it. You do need it, but I'm saying it hasn't been a factor to this point. Obviously when you get to the playoffs, it's going to be a different ball game. Well, I mean, consider that they lost three games

or they lost three games doing something. Did they run the ball against the Arizona Cardinals? Did they run the ball against the 49ers? Did they run the ball against the Eagles? Hmm. Hmm. Ocho, we got 19,000 people watching. What? 19,000?

Yep. Boy, I can't wait. Boy, I can't wait Till we give away This 250k boy Yeah Yeah I don't even I don't even know 19,000 people

Oh so I just want to know Okay here's the thing We got a poll up We want to know Which is more inconsistent Anthony Davis Lamar Jackson McDonald's ice cream machine

Or Dak Prescott That's a good one I didn't want to know That was the people The people wanted the most R. Jackson, McDonald's ice cream machine, or Dak Prescott? That's a good one. I didn't want to know. The people wanted a poll. The people said, give us a poll. You want to know what the most inconsistent was out of all those? McDonald's ice cream machine being broken.

That's a fact. We're going to let the people decide. I ain't let you decide. Don't let the people decide. They know it's the ice cream decide. You can't vote. Don't let the people decide. Yeah, yeah, we're going to do it. I ain't going to do it. I won't do it because I got to control it. They know it's the ice cream machine. They know it is.

No, it's not. No, it's not. AD is not inconsistent. It's not for you to decide. You're not a caller. The people don't know. Yeah, they do. They don't know.

So now they don't watch sports now. Everybody you just named is elite at their position. Inconsistent could also be a quality or a trait. No, because you can't be elite and inconsistent because you wouldn't even be in the conversation if you weren't consistent. Hold on. Who said Dak is elite? Who said that? What? You trying to tell me Dak ain't elite?

I ain't trying to. I've been told you that. Ain't nobody think Dak elite. Ain't nobody think Dak elite. Ain't nobody think Dak elite. Stop playing, man. What are you talking about, man? Dak is not elite. Dak is top five. What are you talking about, man?

Dak is not elite. Who? Oh, you know what? Unc, you're going to have to stop this. You're going to have to get this man to stop playing. Give me the poll. Give me the poll. Give me the poll.

If Dak, you know what? This is what we're going to do. We'll put it to death. No, no, no. No, man. No, man. No, no, no. Stop it.

Stop it. People don't even like the Cowboys. It's Dak elite. It's Dak elite. They're not going to be fair. They're not going to do. We'll put it to death. No, no, no. No, no, no. Stop it. People don't even like the Cowboys. They're not going to be fair. They're not going to be fair. They're hating because it's the Cowboys. Liberty City. Did y'all have FFA in Liberty City? Future Farmers of America?

FAA? Yeah, FFA. Future Farmers of America. Because I go to the fair. You know, we had a cow show, goat show, hog show, pigs, cattle. We got the Dade County Youth Fair. We got a Dade County Youth Fair. We had a, we had a, they got a Penn Zoo.

Talk about Dak and Elite, man. He's not. He's not. He's not Elite, Ocho. He's good, but he's not elite. Let me tell you something. CeeDee Lamb, the last three games, who's the one throwing him the ball? That.

Who's the one throwing him the ball? So that's what we're basing it on? I'm just asking the question. Who is the one throwing him the ball? Who's throwing him the ball? That. Okay. The same one that's been throwing him the ball when he went out in the first round.

That same guy throwing the ball. That turned the ball over. That same guy. Wait. Wait. He's the only person turning the ball over? We ain't talking about anybody. I see Josh Allen turning the ball over.

So you say you're that and I see what you want to do? I mean, but you use it. You talk about people turning the ball over like other people don't turn the ball over to you. You say you. I think Josh Allen won't turn over. Are we talking about Dak or are we talking about somebody else? Now, you want to bring somebody else in the play. You're using examples.

You're using an example about Dak turning the ball over when everybody else did. Didn't you just talk about Lamar turning the ball over? Didn't Deshaun Watson turn the ball over? Didn't Joe Burrow turn the ball over today? I mean, what are you saying? That does not make it. He's still- Here's Dakie Lee.

75% says no. See, that 75% is a goddamn lie and they don't like American team. That's 3,000. That's 3,000 people. We got 3,000 votes. No. They just don't like the Cowboys.

I started to put yes, no, hell no. And that would have been 82%. Listen, Hunk, you got to get a man and flowers baby you didn't get no choice oh joe 25 or 36 404 exceptional but when you like to see see you see remember i told you last week don't you want to finish that 374 off with a great day and a win. You see, why would I be, why am I impressed with Dak throwing for 374? I just watched Sam Howell the week before throw for 397

and four touchdowns against the very defense that Dak Prescott threw for 374. But you want me to be impressed. So I guess Sam Howell is elite because he threw for 397 and four touchdowns because it seems to me to you that numbers, all it is is numbers, nothing else.

Whoa. When we judge a quarterback, don't we base everything off statistics, right? No, no, no. Isn't that what we do? That's only a part of it. Isn't that what we do? Mahomes with those statistics,

minus those MVPs, minus those Super Bowl, is not Patrick Mahomes because we've seen a lot of quarterbacks put up great numbers. Tony Romo put up numbers. statistics, minus those MVPs, minus those Super Bowls, it's not Patrick Mahomes. Because we've seen a lot of quarterbacks put up great numbers. Tony Romo put up numbers. So was Tony Romo elite? Was Tony Romo elite? I don't know.

I don't remember that far back. Hold on, let me call. I got to call somebody because all of a sudden Ocho can't talk. Damn. I don't remember that far back. I'm calling. I'm about to call. I got to call somebody because all of a sudden Ocho can't talk. Damn. I don't remember that far back. I'm calling. I'm about to call. I'm about to call 911. Dan was elite.

I ain't talking about Dan. You see how you try to shift it? I don't know about. I'm talking about the quarterback. I'm talking about Tony Romo. Was Tony Romo elite? Yes or no? I don't remember his stats. What's Tony Romo? You was in the league when Tony Romo elite, yes or no? I don't remember his stats.

Now you remember. You was in the league when Tony Romo played. No, I wasn't. I don't even think I even played the Cowboys. I played the Cowboys. That ain't got nothing to do with whether or not you was in the league. I mean, when I'm in the league, I'm not paying attention to the quarterbacks on other teams. I was focused on my quarterback, Carson, who was elite during his tenure.

Hey, you could have focused on a lot of stuff. It wasn't like y'all would get geared up to make the playoff run. Y'all, you could have been focusing on some other stuff. Stop it. You followed the league. You followed other receivers. You saw what Daz was doing. Well, how do you know what Daz was doing? How do you know Daz was elite? Who was throwing the ball?

Who was throwing Daz the ball? When Daz was allegedly, supposedly elite, who was throwing him the ball? Who was throwing Des the ball? When Des was allegedly, supposedly elite, who was throwing him the ball? Tony Romo. Okay, so how'd you know? You said you didn't follow this lead. You didn't follow nobody. I saw the highlights on ESPN.

Exactly. Exactly. I saw the highlights on ESPN. Des was on ESPN every week. So I just want to make sure I'm hearing you correctly. You never broke down tape of the Cowboys offense going against somebody's defense. Why would I break down the tape of – no. Because it's a part of the game footage.

It's a part of the game. You get four games, and they break down four games. Yeah, the past four. Oh, yeah. It just so happened I never had the – matter of fact, once. No, no, no. How much is it? Once, when T.O. No, no, no. How much is it? Once, when T.O. was with the Cowboys.

How you know? So who was throwing T.O. the ball? Tony Romo. Oh, damn. All of a sudden, you remember who Tony Romo was. You go from not being in the league when Tony Romo was in the league to all of a sudden, you know Tony Romo was throwing the ball. You asked me, was Tony Romo elite?

I said, I don't know, because I wasn't watching him play. I remember the people he was throwing to, though. I know receivers. Oh, interesting. Tony Romo. Hold on. Are you saying Tony Romo wasn't elite? I'm asking you.

What, he wasn't elite? I asked you. No, I don't think so. What do you mean? How are you supposed to know? I don't know. I don't play for the Cowboys. I'm asking you.

Was Tony Romo elite? I can tell you that. No. No. No. Tony Romo was not elite. What was he? What was he then?

He was a good quarterback. That's it? That's it. What you want me to say? So what is Dak? You want me to lie? So what is Dak? Dak is a good quarterback.

All right. Not top five. When is the last time the Cowboys had an elite quarterback that you felt was elite? When they was winning Super Bowls. Oh, so 1995, 94 when Troy Aikman and they had this. Okay. Emmitt.

Yeah. I mean, it is what it is. All right. It is what it is, Ocho. Okay. Ocho, you do realize that throughout the history, no matter how great it was, and I played in the 90s and played a little bit in the 2000s.

Yes, sir. There's only been a handful of elite quarterbacks. The league is not littered. There are not seven, eight, ten elite quarterbacks. There never have been. Not at a given time. I understand that. Over history, yes.

But at a given time, no. I understand yes. But at a given time, no. I understand that. I understand that. Okay. 5,000. Oh, Ocho, this thing going the other way. What happened? 5,000 people voted. If Dak can lead, 76%

say no. I ain't got nothing to do with me. I ain't got no... I can't even vote if I wanted to I think the people are biased just because they're not fond of Jerry Jones and the Cowboys I think people are not voting based on

his play this season really? Ocho people are voting with emotion they're voting with emotion not here, not logic you know a lot up? People are voting with emotion. They're voting with emotion, not here, not logic. Ocho, you know a lot of people are saying the same thing, that you vote because you don't want to hurt nobody's feelings.

What do you mean? Why would I hurt anybody's feelings? Because you're concerned. I'm looking. I'm looking. I'm looking at what he's doing. This is elite shit. I'm looking.

I'm not blind. I'm not blind. I saw it. I saw it with my is elite shit. I'm looking. I'm not blind. I'm not blind. I saw it. I saw it with my own eyes today. I saw it. I saw it 26 for 35 for 404 and 4 TDs. So let me ask you a question.

I saw it. So if a guy, so let's just say for the sake of argument, guy goes, you know who, so who has the most receiving yards in a game?

Flipper Anderson. 339, right? Yeah. Is he elite? Were they elite? I'm not sure. He just had a great game that day. Oh!

You see how you did that, Ocho? You see how you did that? Thank you. Okay. I see what you're doing. Now you make my point. There's levels to this. I see what you're doing. you make my point there's levels to this I see what I see what you're doing

yeah yeah there's levels to it but Dak is doing it consistently when yeah yeah look at it

look at it we're in week 9 look at his numbers throughout the season all I know look at his numbers week to week I was looking at

the numbers in Arizona I was looking at the numbers in San Francisco I was looking at the numbers in the Eagles I was looking at the numbers at San Francisco. I was looking at the numbers at the Eagles. At some point in time, hey, them big numbers. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You said early in the season when they was losing, right?

When your defense is not getting you turnovers and taking the ball back for you, and you got to score points. So now the offense and Dak is scoring points. We got 20,000. We got 20,000. We got 20,000 live. Go ahead. We got who? We got 20,000 live viewers right now.

Hey, y'all, I love y'all. We'll be giving that 250K away in a minute. But now the offense is scoring points. Now you're moving the goalposts. No. And that's another issue. Ocho, Ocho, no. Listen to what I said. I said the offense was scoring, but the defense was giving them short fields.

Special teams was giving them short fields. Can you give me DeVito's numbers today? What? DeVito? Because at one point that- For four minutes in the fourth quarter, they had 17 yards passing. Really? Ocho, really?

17 yards passing. Really, Ocho really 17 yards passing really Ocho in the NFL game 17 yards passing I think 4 minutes to go in the 4th quarter you making my point Ocho you don't

unbeknownst to you you didn't even realize but you making my point yeah I'm trying to show you the difference in why Dak is elite because he wouldn't have

no goddamn 17 goddamn yards passing so you basing Dak against Danny DeVito I mean Tommy DeVito really Ocho is that what we gonna do who did that what we gonna do who did who did the cowboy play today the Giants thank you who's the quarterback for the Giants the little Giants that movie the movie the little Giants that's who they played today who was the quarterback for the Giants today? Tommy DeVito. Okay.

That's who was out there. That's who was going against Dak. Dak is in no control of that. He can't control who he has to go out and do his job. The fact that... What's his name?

Tommy DeVito? No, the one who got hurt towards ACL. Who? Josh, you. No. In today's game? No, no. I'm talking about the Giants quarterback who got hurt towards ACL. Who? Josh, you. No. Is it Dave's game? No, no.

I'm talking about the Giants quarterback that got hurt. Oh, you're talking about Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones. I'm talking about Josh. Oh, yeah. Okay. If Daniel Jones was there, you think the results would have been different? No, because I don't think he's that good either.

Okay. I just want to see what you're going to say. Ocho, dude was 14 of 27, 86 yards, two touchdowns and a pick. 86 yards in an NFL game. Well, that was better than a week ago because he was minus one yard. He had less yards passing than me, and I ain't leaving my house. So what does that tell you about the New York Giants? They're not good. They're not good.

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We're giving away $250,000. I don't care. I don't care. We finna bless y'all. Y'all, don't listen to Ocho. We're going to bless y'all. Coach Belichick, there's something that happened in the Patriots game today against the Colts.

Yeah. Matt Jones threw an interception in the fourth quarter near the end zone. And Coach Belichick benched him, inserted Bailey Zappy in the final 152. And then Zappy threw an interception

after a fake spike, a fake snap. Oh, I don't get what Coach Belichick is doing. Did he try to pull that damn arena snap and throw it and it got picked off? Mm-hmm. Do you know how, I'm not going to use the word traumatizing,

do you know how demoralizing it is for your confidence to be benched, just in general, but to be benched three times? Three times. Your starting quarterback benched three times. three times, you're starting quarterback benched three times, you have no confidence at all. Zero. Well, he ruined him last year when he inserted a special teams coach and a defensive coordinator as his offensive coordinator.

And neither one had ever called an offensive snap. Right. But see, that's the arrogance of Coach Belichick. Because, see, that's when you think you're so arrogant, you're so good, it doesn't snap. Right. But see, that's the arrogance of Coach Belichick because, see, that's when you think you're so arrogant, you're so good, it doesn't matter.

Right. See, he always thought it was his system. He didn't realize how good the players that he actually had. Mm-hmm. Those guys,

the Ty Longs and the Willie McGinnis's and the Richard Seymour's and the Rodney Harrison's and the Teddy Bruschi's and the Vince Woolfolk's, those guys, the Asante Samuels, those guys were really, really good. He thought it was his system.

He didn't realize how good Edelman and obviously Brady goes without saying. But he didn't realize. And people look at those guys and because they're not Reggie White and because they're not Jerry Rice and because they're not this. Well, no, no, no, no. They fit perfect Reggie White. And because they're not Jerry Rice, and because they're not this, well, no, no, no, no. They fit perfect for that system. And now he doesn't have that talent caliber player. That system is still there. The Patriot way is still there.

Unless they move the Patriot where they practice at, where they play at, where the building is at, everything is still in place except the caliber of players that he used to get. What I really think it is, again, I'm going to go back to the quarterback position and importance and understanding the centerpiece that was always there. If you look at the Patriots over the pad, the previous 20 years, Tom Brady was there. If you understand the centerpiece,

Brady was always there. Everything else was interchangeable. Year in and year out. Everything always seemed to change except that the centerpiece, Brady was always there. Everything else was interchangeable year in, year out. Everything always seemed to change except that one centerpiece. So I think really the Patriot way in the system that Belichick had in place, it went hand in hand because he had a special centerpiece in Tom Brady that made everything go. Yeah. Everything goes. So it didn't matter what changed around him.

As long as Brady is there, that Patriot way in that system was able to function at a high level regardless of what came in and what went out yes he they had really good defenses and what could happen is that brady might not be playing his best game but the defense would hold make you settle for field goals instead of getting the ball into the end zone they would get a costly turnover and then brady would always brady was always great at finding a way to win the game yeah be a touchdown or getting them in field goal range and then he had adam military who's a well the all-time the all century team they had goszkowski who did a great job until he missed that PAT in Denver and it shook his confidence. But you're right. They had some really,

really good players. I'm not saying any of those guys were Bruce Smith or Derek Thomas or Ray Lewis or Ed Reed, but they didn't have to be. They had parts and that part made up a tremendous unit. but they had the big joker

which was tom brady and he could overcome a lot a lot coach belichick is still standing up there being smug being arrogant but that's just him that's just him. That's just him, though. But guess what? That's just him. But guess what? You ain't got that dog behind you to back that bull jive up. Now, eventually, guess what? See, you got to win to keep people listening to what you got to say.

Right. So, based on his history and what he's done in the past and being able to win so much throughout the years, it doesn't matter? Does all that's out the window now? No. This is in the past and being able to win so much throughout the years, it doesn't matter. Does that all that's out the window now? No, this is pro sports.

You're paid to win in pro sports. You don't get lifetime deal. Coach K got a lifetime deal. Pat's rest of so Pat Summit got a lifetime deal. Coach Smith get a lifetime deal. And as long as you don't become what Bobby Knight became, you can stay in those places for perpetuity. OK. OK. In pro sports. Oh, no. Oh, no. Because guess what? We paid you for that. Mr. Craft has paid that man handsomely.

Now, when I'm paying you, I'm paying you based on what you're going to do. I don't pay you for what you did. Well, listen, I think Mr. Craft has to also understand if you look at your roster and look what Belichick has to work with, especially quarterback position. Coach Belichick picking them. Every player that come through that door, you're there for one reason. Why are you there, Ocho? You was in that organization

for a year. If you go to New England, why are you in New England? When? No, no, no, no. I know why you're there, but who put you there? Mike Brown. No, no, no. Mike Brown. No, no. Mike Brown. He's in Cincinnati.

There ain't no Mike Brown. He put me there. No, no, no. You can't trade. You can't make a trade to a team if the team doesn't accept the trade. You and I both know everything that comes in or out of New England, it has Coach Belichick's blessing. From the paperclips to the stapler to the fax machine to the emails,

nothing goes in or out without that man's blessing. So don't give me about the level of talent of Smith because he's picking a talent. He said he wanted to cook the grocery. He wanted to buy the grocery. He wanted to make the dish. Wait, wait, but the difficult, the difficult part, like the difficult part that

you are missing in order for that train to keep rolling, you got to have a quarterback. You have to have a good, efficient quarterback. Pick him! Who's picking the quarterbacks oh you know how hard you know how hard it is to find a good quarterback do you know how difficult that is you just said it yourself it is never a bunch of elite quarterbacks at one time in the nfl it's never never it never is and you got you got lucky with Tom when you had Drew Bledsoe. So now you may have been lucky.

So we may need to take some of that credit that we was giving Coach Belichick and give a little bit more of it to Tom Brady. I think everybody was giving it to Tom Brady anyway because Tom is the one that made that train. I mean, if you watch football and understand the game, even the casual fan can see it was more Brady than it was Belichick. But here's the thing. Who was picking the Gronkowskis? Who was picking the Vince Warfolks?

Who was picking those guys? Who was picking the Richard Seymours? Who was picking the Julian Edelmans? Who was making the trade for Wes Welker? Who was bringing in Amendola? Who was drafting all those guys? So basically what I'm seeing and what I'm hearing is he has a thing for eye and understanding and knowing talent has been doing his justice,

do justice for Robert Kraft and that organization. And just now all of a sudden the picks he's been getting just haven't panned out. They haven't panned out the way he want them. This was before your time but if you go back and look at it reminds you a lot of the cowboys i know you don't remember the cowboys came into existence in 1960 and when they start and when they started drafting they were knocking it out the park they were just getting the hall of famer after hall of famer from bob lilly to r White. They were drafting Harvey Martin and Ed Tuttle Jones and they drafted Roger Stahlbeck and Tony Dorsett and Tony Hill and Drew Pearson

and Billy Joe Dupree and this one and that one. And you start to get seduced. You start to get high on your own supply. You think you can do no wrong. And all of a sudden you start to take more and more risk and you start to take more and more gambles and you see Coach Belichick, you see what he do. They drafted two tight ends, both of them gone. And you took one in the second round. I think you took one in the fourth round. And see what happens is that there are no,

you don't get a Richard Seymour. You don't get a Logan Mankins. You don't get a Vince Warfolk. You don't get a Julian Edelman in the seventh round who exceeds all expectations. Yeah. You don't, a Amendola or your trade for a West worker who's underused at Miami and say,

you know what, I think he'll make a great slot, a great slot receiver for Tom Brady. And you're a Rob Gronkowski and you drafted that maniac from the University of Florida who was sensational, Aaron Hernandez, but he was warped in his head. You see? Yeah. He's still the same guy.

Yeah. What, is he peeking out with his eyes closed? What's going on, Ochoa? I mean, is the product still the same that was coming out back then than it is now? The players are still there. Because look at some of the players that was coming out back then than it is now? The players are still there. Because look at some of the players that he passed that went to other teams that are doing tremendous.

Yeah. That's the thing. Yeah. When you put it like that, that's crazy. Ocho, bro, they've had 20 years. Mr. Craft, and I understand because, Ocho, you can't, bro they've had 20 years Mr. Craft, and I don't understand because, Ocho, you know once you start winning, all you want to do is win. Win, that's it, yeah. They've had

an unprecedented run. Unbelievable. That you're probably never going to see again in the history, not in our lifetime No. Now, we might we might, I know for certain I'll be dead and gone, but you're never going to see a 20 year run like what you saw in New England. Nine Super Bowl appearances, six Super Bowl wins, and a 20-year span.

Basically, they're going every other year to the Super Bowl. Let that sink in. What about the Chiefs? You don't think Reed and Mahomes could pull that off? What do you think? They've gone they've gone at three and six years they said they so they got they got a they got another six appearances they need to get to and another three wins and you know how hard it is because the injury here

an injury there and boom it changes everything because think about it Tom Brady missed a year hell the way they were rolling, they might've went back. Yeah. Well, they went, that's when I went 10 and six, Matt Castle,

Matt Castle took over. Yeah. They were still, they went 10 and six with Matt Castle. Yeah. I remember that. Mr. Playoffs.

But, uh, I, I, for me, Ocho, I just, and,

and, and, and people have been, and I, hell, I think that's probably one of the reasons. Cause I had, I just, and people have been, and hell, I think that's probably one of the reasons because I had no problem calling, questioning some of the decisions that Coach Belichick made. Right. I just think in that situation, there is no upside.

You know what Bailey Zappi is. The likelihood, what's the likelihood of him coming off the bench cold in that situation leading you to a victory, Ocho? Right, and making a change. I don't know. Ocho, if you want to make a change the next game, say, you know what? We're going to go with Bailey Zappi. I'm cool with that.

But they're on the bye week. They're on the bye week this week. What do you think they're going to do? You think they're going to make a change from this point on for the rest of the season? You want to go into the bye week, give him some extra reps, come out of the bye week, bail his out for your starter?

No problem whatsoever with that. But in that situation with 152 to bring him off the bench cold? So you don't like the call then? No, hell no. Hell no. Oh, Joe no check this out B. John Robinson

brought 114 family members and friends to watch him play bust them in from Tucson what's the most people you ever brought to a ball game about 7 about 7 the most to a ball game

yeah you know what I know i know i know them boys gonna see this oh oh obviously no i'm from i'm from liberty city from dave county so you played in miami yeah i had some fellas some fellas i grew up with uh on 50th street and some fellas off oh we call it alley. We call them alley boys. Very, very good friends of mine. We all grew up together. We all played football together.

And I think the most I ever brought to a game was all of them at once, maybe about 40, just so they can get an opportunity to experience me playing in person. I think I did it maybe three times, maybe three times in 11 years, just to be able to have them in the crowd, man, to enjoy the city, enjoy the games. And yeah, just three times. Ocho, I ain't going to lie. I don't even think I know 114 people.

You think it's really 114 people or are they exaggerating? That's what he said. He said he brought 114 family members and friends to watch him play. I got 20. I did 20. That's a lot of people. I brought 20.

And that was from when I went to Atlanta. Even when I played in Jacksonville. You know, we played in Jacksonville when I went to Baltimore. We played in Jacksonville. And that's two hours from where I grew up. Atlanta's three hours from where I grew up. 20 tickets was the most I ever bought. Yeah, 40.

My limit, anything after that, it was five or less. It was always my same homeboys. The same homeboys that I met in Cincinnati. I had a friend of mine. I got lost my first day there. When I got drafted, I got lost. I met a dude asking for directions in 2001. I'll never forget. Jermaine Boyd,

very good friend of mine, still to this day, 23 years later. I say, bro, I'm lost. I just got here, just got drafted. And I don't know where I'm going. And he had to give me directions. He gave me directions ever since that, you know, ever since that, that day, you know, we exchanged numbers. We've been cool ever since. And, and from that point there were four other guys that he knew. And we've been like, like the goddamn five horsemen ever since.

And they would, they would come to every game, and that was it. Now, outside of them, you know, the kids coming. I don't really count that. Right. But outside of that, man, that's it. I did it three times where all my homeboys from the hood. I hate saying that word. All my homeboys from Liberty City.

Who I grew up with. Yeah, who I grew up with. They came to watch me play. Yeah. That was fun. Those were some good times, man. They have grew up with. Yeah, who I grew up with. They came to watch me play. Yeah. That was fun. Those were some good times, man. They have all them boys. Hey, let me tell you one quick story real quick. One time, you know, what do you call it?

I think it's called Sam's. We went to a music store. I had all them boys come in town. You know, we like the Junkanoo. You know about the Junkanoo? You don't know about the Junkanoo, huh? Man, listen. All four of them boys came in town, right? So we all went to the mall. Everybody got Timberlands.

We got Timberlands and we went to the music store. Got the cowbells, the whistles, drumsticks. Dude, they came in the family section. 40 of them, dude, dreads, mouth full of golds. Man, Cowboys and Cowboys and whistles And had the stadium Rocking So they took over The whole stadium That was a moment

I will never ever forget Man that was the Greatest feeling man You turned a football game Into a soccer match Man basically That's what it was Man they had the whistles

Up there blowing They had the Cowboys They had the Cowboys going And then they had the Tims on And like Like step That shit was amazing man I miss those days

them was some fun days man Ocho we got a winner wait who winning we got a winner for tonight the 2500 Lil Tank Lil Tank

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Lil Tank got $2,500 on him. Yeah, but I have a question. I like what we're doing. I like where we're going with this, but how do you know about the age of Lil Tank? I mean, how does that work? I'll be able to verify? Ocho,

we giving away money. We ain't giving away no liquor, no weed. Yeah, I know. I know. I'm just saying, I just,

just to make, okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. All right. Can we, all right. I got one more thing just to make it again in this economy that we're in,

you know, I'm all about helping and wanting to bless people. Do you think we can, we can up the ante and doing this multiple times a month or you want to just stick to once a month? You said we... I think a couple of times a month we can do it.

That's... But, like I said, I think moving forward what we're going to do, we're going to have five people win $500 each time. So five people and give away 500 to each person. Yep.

See, that's why I fucking love you. That's what we're going to do. Right here. I mean, we got to pay it forward because they're helping us grow at an alarming rate. Right. And so, you know, to show our appreciation, we're going to give it forward because they're helping us grow at an alarming rate. And so, you know, to show our appreciation, we're going to give it back. Nobody else is doing that.

Nobody else is doing that. They're going to try to start, but they're not going to. Nah, nah, nah. And if they try to start, if they try to start, we're up to Annie. Check this out, Ocho, check this out. Jimbo Fisher got fired by Texas A&M. His buyout is $77 million.

And there's no offset language, which means he's going to get all $77 million. And if he becomes a head coach at another institution, he gets that money also. It's the largest buyout in college football history. The previous largest was Gus Mozon at Auburn at $21 million. So, if

you buy him out, that's $77 million. You've got to buy his staff out. And now you've got to bring a staff in. And you've got to pay them too. So that lets you know the kind of booster and the kind of deep pockets that A&M got.

Yeah. Yeah, most definitely. Any of those power five schools. Listen, the money run deep. It run deep like a goddamn whale, man. It run real deep. But the fact that, can you imagine being a coach and getting fired and then really not caring? They paying you 77-something million not to come back and not to coach no more? That's crazy.

So he gets 19 million. He gets a little over 19 million immediately. And then beginning 120 days after the termination, he gets an equal annual payments all the way to December 31st, 2031. Well, you ain't got to do nothing

a day in your life ever again. And guess what, Ocho? He in Texas. They ain't got to do nothing a day in your life ever again. And guess what, Ocho? He in Texas. They ain't got no state income tax. What? So, he get to see all that, huh? All of it. He get to see...

Well, after you get to a certain number, you get over $600,000. It's 37. I think he's in the 37% bracket. Right. So, 37%. Take it 37%. So, he going to bring

out of every million 630 000 you know it's funny and he's gonna he's gonna coach again too for sure oh he's gonna coach again too because that that ain't just no it ain't just no anybody right he just knew anybody he's someone he's someone with a resume a resume that's extremely good you want a national championship yeah yeah he's gonna coach again Because here's the thing, Ocho. It wasn't like he had a bad record. He had a bad record for what they were paying him and what they expected from him.

They said, look at what we did. They have 102, anywhere between 100 and 105,000 every whole game. You got boosters. Damn. They got boosters. They got deep pockets. Yeah. And so they're saying, for what we're paying you and the facilities and what and the recruiting arm that we have. Right. This ain't good enough for us not to be in the national championship discussion for us not to have played in the SEC championship. For us not to, not to. They said, look, our pocket's deeper than Georgia.

Our pocket's deeper than Alabama. We deeper than Ohio State. We deeper than Michigan. They need to open up their pockets for the students. Oh, they got them. Oh, they do. Oh, they do. Okay.

Remember, you remember they had the number one recruiting class in 22. Well, what the hell is the problem? They thought it was Jimbo. That's why they got his ass up out of there. That's what the problem, that's what they believe the problem was. Right, right, right, right, right, right. And so they made the decision

that athletic director said he talked to the, I think the president and he says, I got a question. Do the higher ups ever consult with the players on the team? Or is that,

how do they pay grade? No, yeah. Man, look here. He can't, oh Joe, you know kids going to college. They try, look here. They try to get to, they try to go to the NFL.

Right. That's just a means to it. That's a stop-off. That's a layover. That's a layover from high school to the NFL. It's like, you know, sometimes you got the layover, Ocho. Like, if I'm going, a lot of times you go up to one place, you got the layover in Atlanta, or you got a layover in Minneapolis,

or you got a layover in Detroit to get to your destination. Right. That's all college is for a lot of these kids. And you know, in the NBA, it used to be you go straight from high school to, you know, to NBA. Now you got to, you know, you got to go one year. That's just a layover

for them kids. They go to Duke or Kentucky or one of these, you know, prominent institutions. They just laying over Ocho. They're not trying to do anything, man. I got you. I got you. I got you. And they like, look, that's what you can... Ooh! 25% of the total buyout

is due to Fisher in a lump sum within 60 days of termination. Hmm. So, uh, about $19 million to do with 60 days. Two months. Man, tell him... Tell him to throw something on the floor for me. I'm gonna pick it up. to do with his 60 days. Two months. They might be...

Tell him to throw something on the floor for me. I'm going to pick it up. You're right. I mean, look. That's a good job. I mean, so what would you think they'll pay a Nick Saban or a Kirby Smart?

I bet they get $15 to to 20 million. A year? A year. Coach Saban already making 12. That's it? That's Saint Nick. Wait, somebody make more than Saban though.

No, no. But here's the thing, Ocho. You think about it. What do you think Coach Saban playing for in Tuscaloosa? He ain't playing for a damn thing. No, no. I just saw him. Did you see the graphic on all the stuff he own?

Yeah. He just bought two more car dealerships for 700 million. Where all that money coming from? Man, look here. When you win at them programs yeah now they wanted like hey let's do business okay I see

where you're going with it I see where you're going with it I'm with you yeah yeah I'm with you it ain't what you know it's who you know no yeah

it's a different ball game that's why I tell guys you go if you go and play well in these cities you never know you know what

I like the way he conducts them I like the way he carries himself. He's a winner. How many deals you think Brady or Manning, and that's when I say Dak, Ocho, if Dak wins one Super Bowl

in Dallas, he'll be the richest black man in Texas. He'll be the richest black man in Texas. He'll be the richest black man in Texas. Just one. Yeah. Go look at the Roger Starbuck's portfolio. Look at Troy's portfolio.

Look at Tony Romo's portfolio. Now, Tony Romo didn't win like Roger and Troy. But he was box office. The pirouette, the improvisational, they loved it. Right. And he was undrafted. Dak has a better...

Think about what Dak has overcome. Lost his mom to cancer. Lost his brother tragically. Win a Super Bowl. Man. Unbelievable, huh? Dak will be king. Dak will be king. Dak will be king of Texas.

Unfortunately, Dak is king right now, but I see where you're going with it, though. I see where you're going with it. They're going to get there, though. They're going to get there. So, Lil Tank, thank you. Hey, Lil Tank, come in. What's up?

What y'all want me to do with the cash? Save it. You know cash? Save it. You know what? Save it. If you, if, if, if, you know what? Break your mom off something. Break your dad, your grandma. Ask Tank how old he is.

That man might not want to know. Let's take all. He might be disappointed because he might not want his girl to know he got bread it's too late you know Cribble right around the corner Cribble right around the corner I ain't got nobody I ain't got it hey speaking of Christmas

you got somebody nevermind I don't want to get you in trouble I reached out to my kids I reached out to my kids. Man, you know what? I reached out to my daughter. What they want? Can I tell you what my kids want?

You tell me what you want. I already saw the list. You saw the list? I did saw the list. From one of your daughters. Yeah. Little Tank said he's 23. Oh, 20?

Oh, yeah. Oh, Little Tank. Well, that 25 going to be good. That's right up his alley. All right, Little Tank. Listen, my daughter, one of my daughters want a vending machine. Where you going to put it at? She want a vending machine to put on campus at Prairie View A&M. No, I'm serious. She want a vending machine to put on campus at Prairie View A&M.

And I like the idea. So I'm going to talk to the higher ups at A&M to see if it's possible to do for her to have multiple vending machines on campus for women necessities. See what happens. Oh, so a vending machine with women products not vending machine with cola and chips

and snacks. I like where her head is at. Next week, I'm going to set up yeah. I like where her head is at. So I'm going next week. I'm going to set up a meeting and see if we can do that. I love that idea. I like where her mind is because this shit

going to have to be in my pockets. I see you, baby. Get an ATM machine and put it on campus. Yo, hey, how much is an ATM machine? Don't matter.

You start it with with money you got it yo that's a good idea ask somebody in the chat how much an ATM machine is I should get one for my son so we can put it at Arizona State somebody probably will over beat you to that one but I think prayer view might be a great chance

oh that's a good one. Man, guys, we had over 20,000 in our chat tonight. Thank you for clicking that subscribe button. Thanks for clicking the like button. Guys, you guys have been unbelievable. We are growing at an alarming rate. And it's all because of you guys. You like the content. You like the back and forth between Ocho and I.

And we greatly, greatly appreciate it. Bigger things to come in the future oh yeah thank you for tuning in we'll be right back tomorrow whoa whoa whoa where you going we leaving yeah we leaving I got to go to work no I know we got to go to work but that ain't how we signing off that ain't how we sign off now hold on

yeah yeah let's go we got we got our song now don't do that we got to ask a little tank make sure you comment your email or ig little tank now if you want this brand now you got to make sure you give us your email or your ig because we got to get the info now i hate for somebody else to get your blessing bless uh bless you appreciate it so

Lil Tank please make sure you give us your email or your IG so we can contact you we can put this blessing on you come on Tank Lil Tank okay Ocho what's the song

the song like last, to end the show, is My Way, Frank Sinatra. Hold on. Let me get my little T so I sound right. Hold on. Hey. Baby. Baby. Yeah, let me know you're ready. Ay-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi- I'm ready when you are with y'all. You know the words, right? They're my way? Not really, but I'm going to see. And now. Now be.

The end is near. And now the year is here. And so I face. The final curtain. My friend. My friend. I'll say it clear. I'll make it clear.

But okay, go ahead. I'll state my case Of which I'm certain I've lived A life that's full I traveled each And every highway And more

Much more than this highway and more much more than this I did it my way yeah way to go way to go way to go

I think we gonna do you know what we gonna do we gonna hit gospel when tonight tomorrow we gonna close with the gospel tell me what song you wanna do tomorrow uh

you know what we gonna sing rough side of the mountain what you know about that on the rough side oh I'm ready I'm coming I'm coming. I'm ready. I'm coming up. I'm coming. On the rough side.

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