Nightcap - Nightcap - Cowboys’ Big Loss, Tyreek Struggles + Keith Lee Responds

Episode Date: November 6, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson discuss the Bengals’ handy win over the Bills (2:00), Dak Prescott’s costly mistakes for the Cowboys (7:00), the Dolphins coming up short against the Chie...fs (17:00), CJ Stroud’s sensational rookie season for the Texans (32:00), Keith Lee’s response to Ocho and restaurant etiquette (35:00). #Volume #Herd #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:30 Man, Ocho. Hey. Yes, sir. I know. Man, we got to dress a lot tonight. We got Keith Lee responding to you. Keith Lee, that's my dog. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:03:45 He don't want to be your dog. That's keith lee that's my dog no no no he don't want he don't want to be your dog that's my dog that's my dog beat the bills tonight 24 18 joe burrow was what you thought spectacular 31 of 44 348 two touchdowns uh t higgins had a monster game they did a pretty good job of keeping they were doubling uh um chase and so when you don't yeah now you're number two guy you get to be number one for a night show us what you got and he stepped up late unbelievable they ran the ball just well enough to kind of keep them off balance they did a great job and even when they got pressure on joe he was able to escape a lot of that pressure and make throws down the field. You were at the game for a little while. Tell me what some of your takeaway was from that ball game.
Starting point is 00:04:29 I mean, what I did take away from the game is Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow, when he is healthy, how everything, the dynamic of that offense changes. Listen, the energy in the stadium was unbelievable. You know, there are not very many times that I have an opportunity to go to the Bengals games. Obviously, I try to attend at least one game a year. This is my second game after being at the Ring of Honor game, obviously, and being in that stadium tonight and seeing that offense operate, especially the first drive.
Starting point is 00:04:55 The first drive of the game, they set the tone. They went right down the field, and Joe put on a clinic. They ran the ball well. They passed the ball well. There was a dose of balance on both sides of the ball, really confusing the Bills' defense and not knowing how to stop them. And Joe was beautiful. Obviously, I was watching the defense.
Starting point is 00:05:16 And, you know, when you're sitting in the sands, it's very easy to tell what's coming defensively. Even with Jordan Poirier trying to disguise stuff, you can still see it clear as day. And, obviously, I know Chase was a little frustrated. They wouldn't allow him to get off tonight. He had a few catches, but he wasn't able to have a game that really changed the dynamic of the game. But obviously, T. Higgins did get off.
Starting point is 00:05:36 He got off and it went really well for him. And you say a number two. I really see T. Higgins as a number one because if he was anywhere else, he would be the number one receiver. So I consider us being very fortunate in having him on that offense. And I consider us one of the teams that are fortunate to have two number ones. Other than that, that deep ball to Chase could have really blew the doors open in that game. And we could have really sealed the deal a lot earlier.
Starting point is 00:06:05 And it shouldn't have come down to what it did. We were inside the 10, I think maybe late in the third quarter. And penalties took us all the way back to the 30. We can't have that. But it didn't come back to haunt us. We did get the W tonight. And I'm very, very happy that we are rolling
Starting point is 00:06:21 as a team. Well, if you think about it, Ocho, the Bills got the ball and went right back down the field. And I'm thinking to myself, okay, man, we might get ready for a shootout. But the game kind of settled down. The Bengals grabbed control of the ball game because they went right back down the field and made it 14-7. And then I think the
Starting point is 00:06:37 extended lead made it 17-7, I think, going into the half. And so the Bengals, their defense, I mean, offensively, we know what they possess. That's what, that's what the money is at. You got the big time. You got Joe Burrow.
Starting point is 00:06:50 You paid, you got a nice running back and Joe Mixon. We know what Jamar Chase is. You mentioned T Higgins would probably be a number one in a lot of other places. Boy,
Starting point is 00:06:59 a very big, but a very reliable and durable slot receiver that's going to make the third down catch. He's going to make any third down catch. He's going to keep the chain. He doesn't do anything flashy, but he's going to keep the chains. He's going to keep your offense on the field
Starting point is 00:07:12 to give you the opportunity to crack and get the ball into the end zone. So you have to be pleased. You're the Bengals. You're really pleased with the way you played tonight. You didn't turn the ball over. You didn't put the ball in the hard way. And defensively, you got the one takeaway. You stole a possession from them. Oh, you guys did turn the ball over. You didn't put the ball in the hard way. And defensively, you got the one takeaway. You stole a possession from them.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Oh, you guys did turn the ball over. I think you did turn the ball over once. Yeah, once. Yeah, Taylor Britt. Hey, listen, I think for some reason this season I've been seeing it more, more and more and more in cover two. Most of these interceptions are coming in cover two with a corner. He ignoring the flat the the
Starting point is 00:07:46 back is always coming out of the flat and they just saying forget it and they just drifting back further and further and picking off every goddamn corner route and it's happening every but if you watch late the ball game cincinnati hit a ball to chase and what they did they told the back to push up a little further and so further right couldn't get back over the top because here's the thing with that cover too right if you don't put hands on it, that's a hard get over the top for the safety because the quarterback got really good arms. They're going to get that ball up and down
Starting point is 00:08:12 before they get over the top. Every time. So they made it... Chase did a great job getting outside, getting a free release. Joe did a great job of putting the ball on the money before the safety get over the top. But so now the Bengals are... What? Bengals are 5-3. job of putting the ball on the money before they're safe to get over the top.
Starting point is 00:08:27 But so now the Bengals are what? Bengals are five and three. Pittsburgh five and three. Cleveland five and three. Baltimore sits atop the division seven and two. Well, Baltimore look good today. We'll get to that. But God damn, God damn, they look good today.
Starting point is 00:08:43 The Eagles beat the Cowboys. Dak Prescott had a monster day throwing the football. 29-44, 374, three touchdowns. Jalen Hurts, 17-23, 203, two touchdowns. But we kind of talked about this game leading into the game because we saw Philadelphia last week against Washington football team. And I said, oh, Joe, Sam How just threw for.397 and three touchdowns. So what do you think Dak Prescott and CeeDee Lamb's thinking? Ooh, if Sam
Starting point is 00:09:10 Howell and McLaurin and Dodson, if they got those numbers, what we gonna do? And I saw you earlier and said, man, give Dak some. But you know it, Ocho, when the rubber needs to meet the road, Dak gotta get that ball. Now, I've been saying, oh, you hate me.
Starting point is 00:09:26 I'm saying, guys, kicking field goals in the red zone will get you beat. Now, one team was 3-5 in the red zone. One team was 3-3 in the red zone. Now, you tell me, without knowing anything, which team you think won the game? The team that went 3-3 in the red zone or the team that went 3-5 in the red zone? The team that went 3-3 in the red zone or the team that went 3-5 in the red zone? The team that went 3-3, obviously. Listen, those two possessions where they weren't able to score, it hurt them in the tail end. And then, obviously, that third quarter, listen, this was a great game.
Starting point is 00:09:57 This was a great game. It was a shootout. It was going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. But something about that third quarter, something about that third quarter where the goddamn Eagles outscored the Cowboys 14-0 was the change in the game. And the Cowboys still had opportunity towards the very end of the game to get the ball back and still had opportunity.
Starting point is 00:10:16 Was it to tie it? They could have won the game. They could have won the game. Yeah, they could have won the game. And when C.D. caught that dig route on about the two or the three, man, and I stood up, I said, I know he ain't about to score. If he'd have got in there through four people, he'd have been Hercule, but Ocho.
Starting point is 00:10:35 Yeah. And people, this is not, you know, this is not hindsight. This is not piling up. Right. These are the moments that Dak has got to come through okay you look at the you look at the stat line 29 to 44 374 touchdowns the game is right there for him to take this is the moment now he can shut a lot of people up for it yeah what's the song go if only for one night he could have done if only for one night oh yeah two point done it if only for one night. Ocho,
Starting point is 00:11:05 on a two-point play, tell the people at home that didn't watch the game what he did. He stepped out of bounds. No two-point. He stepped, yeah. No two-point.
Starting point is 00:11:12 I mean, listen. Okay, he stepped out of bounds on a two-point play. He is making an effort, an effort to score the best way he can. I pay for results. Listen, you're aware.
Starting point is 00:11:24 You make 40-plus million for results or effort. Did they pay you for effort? Come can. I pay for results. Listen, you're aware... You make 40 plus million for results or effort. Did they pay you for effort? Come on. Let me ask you a question. Baby, don't do that. What did the Bengals pay you for? Ooh, ooh, ooh.
Starting point is 00:11:34 Huh? That was a smooth route. Listen, they paid me for my feet. That's the only reason they paid me for my feet. But I understand what you're saying. He didn't realize where he was
Starting point is 00:11:43 and stepped a little too far, a little too far outside. You I understand what you're saying. He didn't realize where he was and stepped a little too far. A little too far outside. You gotta realize you're a pro. Those are moments. Remember we talked about. Right, right, right. Yeah, this game is built on moments. You right. You right about that. And in that moment, he messed up and didn't give his team
Starting point is 00:11:59 a chance to get that two-point conversion. But they still had an opportunity to win at the end of the game. Hold on. You remember, instead of in the red zone, they kick a field goal. That's three instead of seven. And guess what? They turned the ball over on downs in the red zone.
Starting point is 00:12:16 That's zero instead of something. They missed the two-point conversion. So now, just think, you get the two-point conversion, now you get an opportunity to kick a field goal to tie the game and send it to overtime. So there are a lot of things that that could have materialized and these are the moments that define quarterback talk look tom brady you look think about the super bowl tom brady threw for 140 something yards in that game but what was it yeah it was his ability to kick the field goal range to kick the field goal how many times
Starting point is 00:12:45 we've seen the great we've seen the quarterback play really really bad but when the rubber needs to meet the road when we need a play we're counting on they get it done
Starting point is 00:12:55 and Dak needs to have more of those right you know what I think about even with it only being week 9 in the season having a game like that to that magnitude, to me
Starting point is 00:13:05 is a great teaching tool for that, for them offensively. Because you had a great game, obviously, throwing for 374. You finally got an opportunity to get C.D. Lamb involved in him trying to make an impact on the game. I said C.D. had a monster game. What'd he have, 190?
Starting point is 00:13:21 Oh yeah, yeah. They have an impact on the game. So games like this, as close as this game was, I think when the opportunity in the moment presents itself again for Dak and the Cowboys team, they will come through. We've been saying this. Dak's been in the league since 2016. How many times have we asked him in this moment to be what Jerry paid you to be,
Starting point is 00:13:43 to be what Cowboys fans and Cowboys supporters, that's what they're asking you to be. That's the moment. Right, right. Nobody asking you to throw for 500 yards against the Giants. Nobody cares. Nobody cares when you throw for 300 yards against the Jets. Nobody cares.
Starting point is 00:13:59 These are the moments. Because what we've seen now, come on now, Ocho. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you i'm with you they've come up short they come up short in those moments but at some at some point at some point with the with the sample side that we've seen with the sample side that the cowboys fans have had to experience since dac has been at the helm at some point the ties have to turn at some point the ties have to turn so what happens if later on the season that moment comes and he lives up to that moment at some point it has to happen and it's probably going to happen
Starting point is 00:14:30 when you least expect it and this might be the year this might be the year 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 so that's eight years let me ask you a question would you go buy a 10 million dollar house and then play the lottery and hope you win it to pay it off? That's not how you do it. What, what, what? Hey, let me tell you something. That was a beautiful analogy right there. I like where you're going. I like where you're going.
Starting point is 00:14:53 You keep telling me this might be the year. But what has history shown you? Right. I understand what you're saying. But listen, every season there are 32 teams. Every season there are 32 teams and all 32 of those teams have the same goal in mind.
Starting point is 00:15:10 To reach the Super Bowl and try to get that body. And what has history told you? Only two are going to make it. You and I both know. You played this game long enough. We know there's only about six teams. Seven, eight teams really. Realistically have the chance. That's going gonna have a chance hold that and everybody say hey guys we could do it
Starting point is 00:15:32 this year we have a talent in this room no we don't no you don't right no you don't right listen you hear what you just said the cowboys have the talent they have the talent offensively and defensively and it's going to come down to the quarterback play and those moments. He has to capitalize on those moments and be the quarterback of elite status. If you go back and look at all the great quarterbacks, they've had that moment.
Starting point is 00:16:00 It was Elway in the drive, or you look at Brady, or you look at Mahomes, or you look at whomever look at Mahomes or you look at whomever it may be. Joe Burrow. Right. They've had those moments.
Starting point is 00:16:11 And he's going to get an opportunity. They're going to make the playoffs. They're too good of a team not to make the playoffs. And it's going to come down because the playoff team, when it gets further, you go along,
Starting point is 00:16:22 the teams and teams get closer and closer. Who can make the play when it matters the most? So I'm going to get an opportunity, Ocho, to go make a first down, to make a throw that's going to get us a first down. Or I'm going to have to use my legs to get us a first down. Or I'm going to have to make throws to get us a field goal range or go get us a touchdown.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Can he do that? And I think that's what people are waiting to see so he can silence these critics. And all he has to do it is once. All he has to do it is once. Yeah, that's it. And it's going to change his life. Because look, if you played a quarterback,
Starting point is 00:16:56 look, if you played that position in Dallas, you're a hero. And when the Super Bowl, you're a hero. Roger Staubach is Mount Rushmore. Forever. Forever. There's something that comes along that Roger didn't want to do. Roger didn't want to do the media. But you look at Don
Starting point is 00:17:14 Meredith. He was on football for 20 years. You look at Tony Romo. You look at Aikman. You look at what comes along playing that position in Dallas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're right.
Starting point is 00:17:28 You're right. Listen, I'm optimistic. I'm optimistic just like Jerry Jones. I'm optimistic like the rest of the Cowboy fans. I'm not even a Cowboy fan in general,
Starting point is 00:17:36 but I'm looking at the lay of the land and what they're doing offensively. Defense, oh, they're going to be fine. They're going to be all right. I'm just looking at
Starting point is 00:17:43 how they're improving week to week. As we said, if the defense is not having takeaways, if the special team is not putting them in good positions, but offensively, they got it done. Offensively, they got it done. Went up and down a few other. Ran the ball really well. They had CeeDee Lamb involved.
Starting point is 00:18:00 There are a few penalties that really weren't penalties defensively by the DBs. Other than that, you fix those issues. When it comes time, crunch time in those moments, I'm telling you, that can come through. It's going to happen. Chiefs beat the Dolphins.
Starting point is 00:18:16 This game took place in Munich. Munich, right? I think it was in Germany. Mahomes was 20 of 30, 185, two touchdowns. He did lose a fumble. Rasheed Rice had a touchdown touchdown Jerry McKinney had a touchdown Travis Kelsey not so much one of his days he had three catches for 14
Starting point is 00:18:31 yards 21 of 34 193 one touchdown fumble to snap on fourth down looks like he saw the bomb is coming do one thing about Jim Schwartz if you watch the Kansas City Chiefs, if you watch him. He coming.
Starting point is 00:18:47 He going to blow you up. They call it zero. We call it bomb. Blow it up. We blow it up. Hey, the blast radius is going to be astronomical. But we coming. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:57 And to do it was in Frankfurt. Excuse me. I'm sorry. Not Munich. It was in Frankfurt. What would you take away? What do you? And I'm going to give you my thoughts,
Starting point is 00:19:05 but I want you to go first. What do you see from the Dolphins? Listen, I thought the game was completely over. You know, when you play Madden and a team and somebody beating you 21-zip, that's skunk. You got to get up and get up. You got to get apart from six. You got to get apart from six.
Starting point is 00:19:22 But for them to go at the half, down 21-zip, and then fight back and make it a game, and it was 20-14, I say, oh, we good. And I'm saying we because I'm from Miami. So I'm saying, oh, we good. We got this. So I'm trying to figure out what in the hell is going on before down.
Starting point is 00:19:44 We need that opportunity. You can't make that mistake at that moment to give us the opportunity to tie the game. We need that. Even if the blitz is coming. Secure the catch so you have an opportunity to get the ball to somebody. Because if
Starting point is 00:19:59 there's zero blitz coming, oh baby, somebody open. Yes. Somebody open. We needed that. And I wish he would have caught that ball so we could have saw what would have happened. You remember, he missed Cedric Wilson Jr. earlier. On the deep ball.
Starting point is 00:20:14 On the deep ball. He said they got confused. He threw the ball like it was going to be a back shoulder. He ran it like it was going to be a goal ball. So I can see it. The corner was nowhere near. Oh, yeah. Yeah. going to be a back shoulder he ran it like it was going to be a goal ball so i can say the corner the corner was nowhere near oh yeah yeah and so i thought tyreek was too amped he wanted to play too well two huge drops yeah a fumble that resulted in the seven and that's what happened you know you put so much emphasis i want to show you guys made a mistake you should have gave me my money i could have still been here you know you just get oh i want to do it i want to do it
Starting point is 00:20:50 right and you you you think he added any any added pressure on himself because at the end of the day it's still football it's still just football and that's that's what he does your last girlfriend you ain't got rail you wanted to show i got somebody better than you she looked better than you she got more money than you and she finer than you. That's what you do. You know, what job you work, what job you ever worked on and say, you know what? I go get me a lesser job to show
Starting point is 00:21:14 y'all. And you know what? I never, I never thought about it like that. Honestly, I mean, I mean, I like the analogy. I like where you, I like, I like where you're going with it. You know, I don't really talk about people like that, but I never thought about it like that, but I like where you're going with it. I don't really talk about people like that, but I never thought about it like that. You want to ask a myth.
Starting point is 00:21:30 You a widow, Ocho. You ain't Ocho. You ain't Ocho. You wanted to do what you wanted to do, but now look at me. Now look at me when I come. And you say you want to speak to him. You want to speak to him. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:44 I think, you know what? You drop balls. Drop balls happen. You drop him to speak to him. I think, you know what? You drop balls. Drop balls happen. You drop them. I drop them. And being that maybe because Reek said what he said through the media about what he's going to do. They're going to get this work.
Starting point is 00:22:00 But listen, he didn't have a bad game. He was 8 for 62. He lost it. He did lose the fumble. Maybe trying to do a little too much. Maybe trying to do a little too much with the ball in his hands. But that's the way he plays. That's the way he plays. And you never want to change that dynamic of a special player like that. You're going to have games like this. It just came at the wrong time. But what we've seen, Ochoe with the exception of the broncos the dolphins keep starting slow remember they started out 14 nothing till the uh they was down to uh the giants
Starting point is 00:22:31 and we see them do the i think it was carolina not the giants it was carolina and then they come on against teams with a winning record the oh and three averaging 17 points yeah teams that don't have a winning record they're six and oh averaging 39 points no now yeah Teams that don't have a winning record, they're 6-0 averaging 39 points. 6-0. Now, I don't know what Dolphin fans want us to do.
Starting point is 00:22:51 Because all I know is when they play somebody that's on their level, they're over. And they average 39. I mean, 17. Right.
Starting point is 00:22:59 But when they play someone that they can run over, they're averaging 39 points. I don't know. The numbers just speak for themselves. I mean, I ain't adding nothing. I'm taking nothing away from them. They play three teams with a winning record.
Starting point is 00:23:11 They're 0-3. They play six teams that doesn't have a winning record. They're 6-0. Yeah, but see, they're playing really well against teams that are of a lesser caliber. I'm going to say that. I'm not going to be disrespectful
Starting point is 00:23:23 to the teams that are below 500, but teams that are of lesser caliber. And'm going to say that. I'm not going to be disrespectful to the teams that are below 500, but teams that are of lesser caliber. And in order for Miami to compete, obviously, in the playoffs, games like today, where you almost had an opportunity to win, you have to win those games. Teams that are above 500, you have to play that much better and minimize penalties, minimize errors, so you always have an opportunity to win.
Starting point is 00:23:43 Yes. Always. And that's one of the reasons that they're not. The penalties are killing them. The turnovers are killing them. And obviously, you can't make those mistakes. So let me ask you a question. So, what am I supposed to do? I haven't seen them do it against
Starting point is 00:23:57 really good teams. So am I supposed to believe that they can do it, or do I wait until they show me they can do it? I think you should believe that they can do it, do I wait until they show me they can do it? I think you should believe that they can do it because being down 21, being down I mean, look at today. They lost the game. They lost the game, but being down
Starting point is 00:24:13 21-zip and still fighting back to have opportunity to actually tie that game at the end against Kansas City Chiefs are going to be, we would consider we consider what not the best team in the league right now, but the way they're playing with the best quarterback. You know, it was a great battle.
Starting point is 00:24:29 You do realize the team that just beat Kansas City last week, the Dolphins on 70 on. Yeah. Yeah. So you keep telling. This is week to week now. Come on now. And the Chiefs, the Chiefs played hell,
Starting point is 00:24:46 goddamn great defense today. I see better than I the Chiefs play hell goddamn great defense today. I see better than I hear. The Chiefs play great defense today. We got to give them some goddamn credit too. Their defense is really outstanding. I got a question. I got a question. And it's not even in the notes,
Starting point is 00:24:59 but I got to give a big up to goddamn Ladarius Sneed. Did I say his name the right way? Ladarius Sneed, yes. Ladarius. Oh my goodness. One of the few times I've seen someone... The quick jam press he put on Reek.
Starting point is 00:25:11 I saw it twice. And I tweeted it out and said, wait a minute. That's the first time I see someone actually time the quick jam right and actually get a hand on Reek. But most of the time, Reek is able to dip a shoulder and get up under that and be out of there. And that's
Starting point is 00:25:27 the first time I've seen it work since Tyreek has been in the league. The first time. And I don't think anyone else has the you-know-what to pull that against Reek, but Ladarius Steed, if you see this, man, I salute you. I've never seen that before. Good game today. Very good game.
Starting point is 00:25:44 I'm definitely going to do it, especially very good game I'm definitely gonna do it especially if I know I got help over the top at least once because the guys that used to be a bear guys don't do it as much as they used to
Starting point is 00:25:52 back in the day because you can latch on to the guy guys will they call it freeze technique they like to go open up
Starting point is 00:25:58 bam they right there all of a sudden you fighting to get off the quarterback's gonna go somewhere else but yeah give him I mean
Starting point is 00:26:04 think about it, Ocho. They got Wilson on the field. They got Waddle on the field, and they got Reek. And Jim Ford says, I don't give a damn who on the field. We finna blow this thing. Right, right. Yeah, that covers zero. That covers zero as hell, man. That covers zero
Starting point is 00:26:19 as hell. Hey, shout out to Sebastian and Faith for each donating 50 pieces. You know what? They gave us a 50 piece. Faith? Wait, 50 what? What 50 piece mean? Hold on. Faith has requested Ocho sing her nephew a soulful happy birthday.
Starting point is 00:26:36 As a birthday gift, I'll save everyone the pain because I don't know y'all heard Ocho. Wait, she told me to sing a happy birthday. Let me start. Let me give him two lines. Two lines.
Starting point is 00:26:50 I'm ready. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. That wasn't that bad, Ocho. See, you said two lines. I didn't even finish. No, no, no. Now you got to transition. That wasn't that bad, Ocho. See, you said two lines. I didn't even finish. Now you got to transition. You did good.
Starting point is 00:27:10 Them two lines was spot on. Hey, I was going to hit that high note, though. Oh, no. I ain't high, so I won't be able to take it. But you did good. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, nephew.
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Starting point is 00:27:44 because you know Ocho will be on some bull jive half the time and I try to keep him in line. But thank you guys for tuning in. It really means a lot to us. And we are anticipated. The Ravens did a good job on the Seattle. They cheating, man. Baltimore, the Ravens are allowing 13.8 a game. The last
Starting point is 00:28:05 time the Ravens were this dingy on defense through the first nine games, I happened to be on that team in 2000. They went on to win the Super Bowl. Baltimore has played three teams this season that enter the game with a winning record. They've beaten all three by a combined score of 103
Starting point is 00:28:21 to 12. You know what? The Ravens are cheating. That's the only thing I can think of. The Ravens are cheating. In this day and age, in this era, the Ravens are allowing 13 points a game.
Starting point is 00:28:39 This is a pass-happy, throw the ball 250 million times a game, and they're allowing teams to have 13 points a game. Listen, listen to this. The people that are watching at home, to give you better context, the last two games, the Ravens outscored the last two opponents 75 to 9.
Starting point is 00:28:59 Let that sink in. If you're playing Madden and you play somebody twice, there's no way on a video game you're outscoring your last two people that you played Let that sink in. If you playing Madden and you play somebody twice, there's no way on a video game you outscoring your last two people that you played 75-9, let alone do it in real life. And Seattle is a good team. It's not like the slouch. They play really good. You know they got those corners outside, Spoon and Warlin.
Starting point is 00:29:20 They got Quandre Diggs. They got Adams. They got those two studs at linebacker. Hey, they got a really good defensive team. And you look at their Smith, and you got Lockett, you got DK, you got
Starting point is 00:29:36 Phan, and Geno's been throwing the ball really, really well. Now, the turnover's on. But he's been playing really well. I mean, Geno's got a good direction. I mean, after he was at the Jets, I don't think anybody thought he could beat this.
Starting point is 00:29:51 Right. But you got to understand, he was at the Jets. Yeah. You know, at the Jets, I mean, have we had a quarterback yet to be successful at the Jets based on the supporting cast around him?
Starting point is 00:30:01 Now it's a little bit better. I like Zach, but Geno is in a great place. He sat behind Russell Wilson for a few years. And the supporting cast around him. Now it's a little bit better. I like Zach, but Geno is in a great place. He sat behind Russell Wilson for a few years and the supporting cast that Geno has at his helm makes him job that much easier on top of the work that he's put in and the work that he's put in is shown week to week.
Starting point is 00:30:17 It wasn't as good today, obviously because of who they're playing and who they had to play against. Listen, the Ravens are high and it pains me to say that, being that my allegiance is to the Bengals, but I have to give props where props is due. Lamar had an okay game today.
Starting point is 00:30:32 I'm so happy to see them. I'm so happy to see my dog. Yeah. He was a part of it. Since the Super Bowl. Super Bowl, when it was the Rams, he had 5 and 56. Gus Edwards had 5 carry
Starting point is 00:30:46 52 yards he had 2 TDs I mean they the defense had 4 sacks they lead the game NFL with 35 sacks on the year we in week 9 they got goddamn 35 sacks
Starting point is 00:30:57 they're pressing your quarterback they're pressing your quarterback Marlon Humphrey's back being the Marlon Humphrey they got a very very solid defense Jackson Smith and Jigba that's his name Kellan Smith He brings back Ben to Marlon Humphrey. They got a very, very solid defense. Jackson Smith and Jigba. That's his name.
Starting point is 00:31:09 Callum Smith. Yeah. They call him J-S-N. J-S-N because everybody be butchering his name. So we're going to go with J-S-N. Congrats, O. Congrats, dog. Your first tub.
Starting point is 00:31:19 Got the end zone. That had to feel good. Kind of frustrated because things hadn't been going his way. He wants, he just wants to show, I want to contribute. I want to show I can still be, I might not be the OBJ of the first three, four years in the league before these injuries, ACLs, broke,
Starting point is 00:31:34 fractured ankle, you know, hernia, surgery, all the things that I've had going on. I might not be that guy, but I'm still more than capable of making plays for a team that gives me an opportunity.
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Starting point is 00:36:01 C.J. Stroud is having the greatest rookie season in history. He threw 470 yards, a new NFL rookie, single game rookie, five touchdowns, zero interceptions. The man got to have a 75
Starting point is 00:36:15 yard game winning drive with 46 seconds. He said, let me tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to take 40 and leave six and change you filthy animal. And the funny thing about some of the passes, he threading the needle. These ain't no people just wide open.
Starting point is 00:36:34 Accuracy. Threading the needle. On the money. Timing. Receivers. Man, guy right on his back. Ball placement. The funny thing about it is CJ Stroud is picking up where he left off at ohio state usually to me there's a learning curve there's a learning curve there's a learning curve that you hit because when you're in the preseason
Starting point is 00:36:57 everything is vanilla so they throwing everything in the kitchen sink at you to confuse you as a rookie quarterback and you are still having stellar performances week in and week out three receivers over 100 yards and a touchdown three of them receiver had 54 take Dale having a year Dale Nico Harris all of those all of them I mean those guys were phenomenal and all that and and a D'Amico Ryans. Let's give him some credit. The head coach taking over. Has that team playing exceptionally well. In the first year at that. First year.
Starting point is 00:37:34 And they're only going to get better. In his first year. Because C.J. Stroud is only going to get better. His confidence is going to grow. That team's confidence in him is going to grow. The belief that he can go out there and win any game, bro. Do you understand how hard it is to do what he did today?
Starting point is 00:37:49 Yeah. I mean, this man is a rookie. He's only played nine games, eight, nine games. And he went and got the ball. He says,
Starting point is 00:37:56 okay, man, y'all, Hey, I guess he went Brady mode. He said, cause that's, that's easy.
Starting point is 00:38:02 That's, that's the pressure situation. That's the pressure situation. That's a pressure situation where a rookie quarterback who's not familiar with it, college is one thing, but the NFL is another. Familiar with it,
Starting point is 00:38:12 listen, when you're in a situation like that, you can't make no mistakes. You can't make no mistakes. And sometimes pressure busts pipes. But for him to be in that position, to have his team have a chance to win the game,
Starting point is 00:38:25 46 seconds on the clock, what's the first thing you do? You press. You try to do too much. Nah, I got this. Acting like he's been here before. And that's exactly what he's playing like. And here's the thing, Coach O. Because he's a rookie, if he doesn't get it done with 46 seconds, we're going to excuse it because
Starting point is 00:38:42 he is a rookie. He'll learn from this, and he'll get from this and he'll get better. Right. He'll be able to, he'll be able to finish the job in the future. Right. He's like, no,
Starting point is 00:38:52 right. I'm going to finish this today. I got right now. Right now. Right now. And went and got it done. Everybody in the chat seems to be talking about something and they ask, and that's what we do because we go live when you
Starting point is 00:39:06 ask we receive and we listen right oh joe your mention seems to be a little bit busier than they normally are keith lee posted video on tiktok asking you what are your qualifications to have a firm stance on this topic. And I saw you going back and forth with a lot of people. Oh, yeah. I was having some fun. What is your retort to what Keith Lee had to say?
Starting point is 00:39:34 I like his response. His response was really good. It was really good. Listen, the wordplay and the delivery in which he responded in such a, such a refreshing, respectful way. There's really nothing.
Starting point is 00:39:51 There's really nothing you can say. And the funny thing about it is, is the way the, the way it was edited. Cause one of the things I spoke on, I spoke on him and about maybe the negativity of some, some of the critiques, but after my research and after my daughter getting on me and me doing my homework after the fact. Yeah, that was the problem.
Starting point is 00:40:10 You don't wait until you flunk the class and then start doing homework. You do homework. Hold on. Hold on now. Hold on now. Let me finish. Let me finish now.
Starting point is 00:40:19 You know, he doing some goddamn good, phenomenal goddamn work. Some beautiful work. Hey, listen. Matter of fact, listen. You know, obviously, I apologize. But I'm team Keith Lee, too, now. I'm team.
Starting point is 00:40:35 Matter of fact, when he do full reviews, I'm going, too. Oh! Yeah, I'm going, too. I can see you, DB. Yeah. Matter of fact, you know, matter of fact, I'm going to change my last name to Ocho of fact You know matter of fact I'm going to change My last name To Ocho Lee
Starting point is 00:40:47 That's how Yeah Hey Everybody Ocho Lee How many people Not live right now How many we got
Starting point is 00:40:54 We got 17,000 The last time I seen A man backpedal like this I was in the league That was prime time I ain't never seen A man backpedal like this Well shit
Starting point is 00:41:01 Hey I can see you played Listen I can see you did play corner when you were younger. I told you I played corner. Get up out of there. Yeah, but listen. Listen to me.
Starting point is 00:41:14 Listen to me now. I did have a few. You listen to me? Are you listening to me? So I did have a few people from Atlanta restaurants reach out to me. I did have a few people from Atlanta restaurants reach out to me. And I'm just going to read one of the messages from one of the owners from the restaurant. Stay with me. Those that are watching, stay with me. With all due respect to Keith Lee and what he's doing, but listen to me, stay with me. Thank you for your message. I agree with you 100%. They don't realize that they have a level of responsibility with their reach. Bad reviews shared with 14 million followers will ruin a small business. We've been struggling to stay afloat, so definitely couldn't afford a bad review.
Starting point is 00:41:59 Now, better context from what I said, because even when I said what I said about the critiques, listen, about having the qualifications, because even when I said what I said about the critiques, listen, about having the qualifications, you do remember I ended everything with I love what Keith Lee is doing. That ain't what you said. I love... Yes, it is. I remember that.
Starting point is 00:42:15 I remember it, because for one, you know how I talk. What's the first thing I say? I love everybody. Now, I might not... Listen, I might not agree with what you're doing,
Starting point is 00:42:24 but I do everything and everything I say, I do it with love, I might not, listen, I might not agree with what you're doing, but I do everything and everything I say, I do it with love. But I said, one of the things, when it comes to us, when it comes to owning stuff, when it comes to owning stuff,
Starting point is 00:42:35 we are, it's very few of us. It's very few of us. And it's hard. It's hard to get us to support each other. It's very difficult because it's hard to get people to come to our establishments because they always want to go to other establishments. We're viewed as, wait a minute, as a symbol of status and a symbol of I have money.
Starting point is 00:42:57 Oh, yo. So, listen, stay with me. Stay with me. I'm just saying. You know I'm not lying. Stay with me. Stay with me. I'm just saying, you know, you know, you know, I'm not lying. Stay with me a little bit. We want to go to the to the Chris Roos and the STKs and all the all the fancy stuff. So at times for us, the smaller businesses, you know, anytime you get any any any inclination of any type of bad review, it it affects and and we are uh i hate using the word the the i hate using the word monkey see monkey do that that's that's not that's not a good one but but you want you want all praises to be right for people to always want to come to your restaurant and again on the other on
Starting point is 00:43:40 the other half on the flip side are reading some of the comments from some of the people. Like, we have to be better when it comes to our business. To where business is A1 and it feels like you're at a five-star restaurant. So, on the flip side of that, we have to be better at doing right by the customer. So, I saw both sides of it. And at the end of the day, you know what? You know my black ass. I love it. Listen, I love every goddamn body.
Starting point is 00:44:04 Even some of the people That was talking shit I love your ass Motherfucking too And We good now And I enjoy I enjoy
Starting point is 00:44:12 I enjoy Goddamn Keith Lee The motherfucking response But the way he did The response Was so fucking classy And I'm
Starting point is 00:44:20 I'm Ocho Lee now Well Can I This is where This is where I want to go I'm going to be With that business owner That sent you because you got to do better. You're in the service business.
Starting point is 00:44:29 It's not my responsibility. It's your responsibility. How about this here? Stop charging 25%, 30% for a party of four. Stop charging $100 to park outside. Stop making people wait an hour and a half, two hours to get to your restaurant. Yeah. They do that? Yes, they do that. Oh, you can't come in here with that.
Starting point is 00:44:49 Oh, you got to have a three-piece suit on. Oh, you got to have red bottoms on. Oh, you got to have this. Stop trying to make people kiss your butt to get into your establishment. You're in the service business. I didn't tell you to go into the restaurant business. You chose to do that. So now by you choosing to go into the service business. I didn't tell you to go into the restaurant business. You chose to do that.
Starting point is 00:45:06 So now by you choosing to go into the service business, provide the service that make me want to come. You said something, say, well, do that to Mastro, do that to Ruth Chris, and do that to this. You do realize, like a lot of these high-end restaurants, before they open, they invite people in to come in. Oh, the service was great. Oh, the... Can I tell you something? When it comes to entities of that magnitude,
Starting point is 00:45:34 those type of five-star restaurants, the critics ain't going to move the needle because people are going to see them regardless. No, no, no. You get enough... The critics... You get enough... No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:45:43 That's not true, Ochoa. The food... If the food's no, no. That's not true, Ochoa. The food, the food. If the food's not, you know. Let's say, let's say, let's say Gordon Ramsay. I'm going to throw Gordon Ramsay's name out because somebody said
Starting point is 00:45:52 Keith Lee did a review on Gordon Ramsay. When it comes to somebody like Gordon Ramsay, he's going to always continue to eat regardless of what any critic says.
Starting point is 00:46:01 But let me ask you a question. Always. But when Gordon Ramsay go into people's restaurant and he yelling and screaming in his face, what did you say? I want to know what you said. What did you say about Gordon Ramsay doing that?
Starting point is 00:46:15 Huh? When Gordon Ramsay goes in people's restaurant and he's yelling and screaming, and he's, what is this? This is terrible. What did you say? Oh, I don't know. I've never seen him do it. And it's, what is this? This is terrible. What did you say? Oh, I don't know. I've never seen him do it.
Starting point is 00:46:28 I'm just, I'm going after, after listening. Have you ever seen him do it? How do you know what he does? Because everybody brought everything to my attention. So I'm just learning all this. You know, you know, I don't care. I don't be into all that, man, all that restaurant stuff and foodie and all that.
Starting point is 00:46:42 I don't know nothing about that. You know what I eat. You need to go to Atlanta. You need about that you know you need to go to some of them establishments and when you go in there when you try to go in there dress like you normally dress and they say you can't come in here mr hotel where they go hey you know what's funny is this is ridiculous and then i should be ashamed of myself for this i've been on this goddamn earth 55 years. I've been to Atlanta maybe four times, and two of those would have played the goddamn Falcons. Atlanta is not a place I visit frequently because I don't club, I don't party. Unless it's an event of some sort, I had to do Super Bowl one year.
Starting point is 00:47:18 But I never frequent Atlanta. But now that I have, I need to go visit some of these restaurants so I can see what it is everybody is talking about. I would like to see what it is. Now, this is interesting. I need to make this an extra hobby of mine outside of playing video games all the time. I need to go check out these restaurants
Starting point is 00:47:38 and just experience and do something new because this is all new for me. I shouldn't have to go. I shouldn't have to eat a meal before I go to a restaurant because the wait's going to be an hour and a half, two and a half hours. I shouldn't have to kiss your butt
Starting point is 00:47:50 to go into your restaurant. Okay, I'm not this. Wait, is it that bad or are you exaggerating? You got to help me. Help me now. I'm not trying to be funny. I haven't been to a...
Starting point is 00:48:02 I like Thumbs Up. It's a breakfast spot. I think Aub trying to be funny. I haven't been to a... I like Thumbs Up. It's a breakfast spot. I think Auburn Avenue over there. I go in there. Hey, I wait my turn. Hey, what's the wait? They, you know, I can get you at the bar
Starting point is 00:48:13 and say like five minutes, 10 minutes, guys closing or somebody closing out their tab. Fine. And I eat and I leave. If it's a small restaurant, let's just say it's a small restaurant to hold 50 people.
Starting point is 00:48:26 Ocho, I'm not trying to hold a damn conversation for two hours. Man, get your ass up and leave. Somebody else want that table. Y'all eat, take an hour to eat, and then you want to sit there for another hour and a half. Get your ass up. Wait a minute. Don't people have rules in place that once you finish your food, you have to get up and leave? Yes, they should.
Starting point is 00:48:46 But that ain't what they do. Everybody want to talk to him and want you to see what they got, their new Birkin bag, their new disc bag. He want to be dressed like this. Man, they time out for this, man. See, this is all new to me.
Starting point is 00:49:01 I don't know about nothing like that because I don't venture out outside of my normal routine. I got 10 minutes. That's what I got my wait time in. I don't know about nothing like that because I don't venture out outside of my normal routine. I got 10 minutes. That's what I got my wait time in. I got 10 minutes. Just like y'all tell me, hold on,
Starting point is 00:49:12 just like they tell us we holding reservations, you got a 10-minute grace period. If I book a reservation at 8 o'clock, I got till 8, 10 to get my ass there. Okay.
Starting point is 00:49:22 If I make a reservation for 7, 30, don't be trying to get me at 745, 8 o'clock because that ain't going to fly with me. Because I'm going to act like a GD fool.
Starting point is 00:49:33 See, you know what's funny? Like, reading the comments, especially on Twitter from the people, they... I thought they were exaggerating a little bit. They were saying
Starting point is 00:49:44 some of the same stuff. Oh, you need to bring your funny looking ass to Atlanta so you could experience this shit. And I thought they were exaggerating just because of the situation. And then now you so goddamn passionate about the shit. So I know it got to be goddamn real if you acting like this.
Starting point is 00:49:59 Oh, Joe, but here's the thing. What he does is that that's why he sends his family in, because he doesn't want special treatment. Because once they find out with him, oh, we can get you right in. He doesn't want special treatment. Right. And if you notice, he eats the food in his car. Right. So he, hey.
Starting point is 00:50:18 And he's like, hey, I called ahead. They said they couldn't do it. Do it, ask, wouldn't do this, blah, blah, blah. Okay, fine. Right. Like I'm saying, look, I'm not, and don't look i i'm i understand who i am and have i've gotten special privileges sure but if i make a reservation if you tell me i only got a 10 minute grace period well you only got a 10 minute grace period to sit get me down for my reservation or then it's
Starting point is 00:50:41 going to be a problem because don't tell me don't tell me my reservations at eight and you get me at 8 30 or 8 45 or wish are for mr wood the inconvenience because if i came late you're gonna say you can't sit me you can't seat me right so nah nah bro this thing go both ways you see that's the problem and and i'm never gonna be one of these people i don't believe because someone is my same complexion, they'll be young. Right. And sometimes people are like, no,
Starting point is 00:51:08 we're trying to help you get better at servicing people. Right. That's one thing we are. If we're not anything else, sometimes we're loyal to a fault. We have sometimes become a slave to loyalty. All we want is appreciation. Don't give us your butt to kiss.
Starting point is 00:51:27 Right. Can I say something? I'm thinking about us and how difficult it is for us to do anything, just in general. It's very difficult to own, not even just restaurants.
Starting point is 00:51:40 I'm just saying in general. It's difficult to run a business. So for me, you know how I am. You can't even get me to talk about NFL players. You can't even get me to do that. So imagine anything else going on in the world, which is why my whole mantra has always been love. It's always motherfucking love. If I was at a restaurant and I had a problem with it, I couldn't be no goddamn food critic. You know why? Because I ain't got shit to critique. Stay with me. Stay with me real quick. If I do have a bad experience at a restaurant, right? Guess who I'm going to go to? I'm going to go to the manager. I'm going to say, hey, man, listen, man, listen, I love your restaurant, but you need to talk to little Susie over there. Little Susie, I'm not sure, maybe she having a bad day today, but if anybody else coming here, they ain't going to like that. They ain't going to like that. You need to just help out a little bit. Hey, listen, man, I had to send the food back twice. I ordered some, it ain't come back. that. They ain't going to like that. You need to just help out a little bit. Hey, listen, man, I had to send the food back twice.
Starting point is 00:52:25 I ordered something. It ain't come back. You know, it came out cold or they put cucumbers on it. I mean, whatever it may be, I just, I like, I don't want to be a part of the problem. I like to be a part of the solution,
Starting point is 00:52:37 but I like to do it privately, if that makes sense, because I understand how hard it is. Let me ask you a question. I just want to know one thing. When do you like doing stuff privately? Because every time you leave a big tip, you put it on social know one thing. When do you like doing stuff privately? Because every time you look at Big Kip, you put it on social media.
Starting point is 00:52:48 So when do you like to do stuff privately? Hey, did you hear what you just said? Because I want everybody else to start doing the same thing. No. Are you doing it for them or are you doing it for me? Wait, stay with me.
Starting point is 00:52:59 Well, I've been doing it a goddamn 24 years now. That ain't nothing new. Because everybody loves trends. Every time it's something on TikTok, every time it's a muffin and dance, what everybody do? But here's the thing, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:53:13 Stay with me. I would love for people to pick up and start doing that. Think about how much better it would be in the service industry if everybody go out there and not tip the wagon. I'm not saying that.
Starting point is 00:53:24 But you pay for bad service, Ocho. That's foolish. If everybody go out there, not tip the wagon, I'm not saying that, but just do it like that. That's foolish. If you stay in the department and your water doesn't work, your electricity doesn't work, and the washing and drying and the plumbing don't work, you going to still pay your rent? Oh, no, no. Hey,
Starting point is 00:53:39 stay with me, baby. I haven't experienced bad service because I never venture out of my same restaurants, man. Stay with me. That's what I'm telling you. Now, I use an example. I haven't experienced bad service because I never venture out of my same restaurants, man. Stay with me. That's what I'm telling you. Now, I use an example. I use an example where I said on Twitter, somebody went up, were you paying for bad service? And I thought about it. I'm like, well, damn,
Starting point is 00:53:56 if the service is bad, at times, sometimes it's out of people's control. Maybe somebody might be having a bad day, but I don't want to fuck up them. Wait, let me finish. Wait, wait, hold on. Stay with me, baby. I don't want to mess up
Starting point is 00:54:11 whatever it is. They're relying on that tip. You keep talking about them having a bad day. What if that person came in and he or she wanted a nice meal and they wanted to sit down. What about them having a bad day?
Starting point is 00:54:30 You do realize bad days happen to other people other than people in the church. Everybody, yeah, you're right. I like them. What about me? Am I not allowed to have a bad day? I love you, baby. I love you. I'm just looking at it.
Starting point is 00:54:42 I'm just looking at it. We're going to move on to something else. You say you love everybody. Yeah. If a person is overweight and they keep eating bad, are you going to tell them they need to stop eating like that because you're going to develop heart disease? You're going to develop diabetes? Because if you love them, you will tell them that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:00 Right. So would you do that? Yeah. See, I'm too nice for this shit. I can't. See, I'm too nice for this shit. I can't do that. I'm too nice for this shit. So, you don't love them. You don't love these people.
Starting point is 00:55:10 Oh, I love them. You know, I ain't even going to tell them I love them. I'm going to just tell them, man, come with me to the gym. No, no, no. You doing this, you got to do this. I love... See, Ocho, the thing is with you is that I'm not so sure this trend that you're trying to get started because it's like...
Starting point is 00:55:24 What trend? But I've been doing it. This ain't about no trend. I've been doing this on my own for 27 years. But you're posting it. That's just what I do. Why are you posting it? I do stuff for people that don't nobody know.
Starting point is 00:55:36 Most of the time when I give money- And I do the same. I do the same thing. A lot of times when I give money to charity, I put it in somebody else's name because I don't want them to know it came from me. I don't want no fanfare. I give people big tips. They don't need to know.
Starting point is 00:55:50 If they want to tell somebody, I'm never going to confirm nor deny it. Okay, but that's on you. What do they got to do with me? Because you want people to see. You want that adulation. It's like if you help somebody. I see these people on social media helping the homeless.
Starting point is 00:56:02 Can I ask you something? Why you got to put everything on social homeless. Can I ask you something? Why you got to put everything on social media? Can I ask you something? When all the billionaires donate, when all the billionaires donate, do they want to adulate? They don't put it on social media. What billionaires put it on social media?
Starting point is 00:56:21 What billionaires put it on social media? How you think it get out? How you think on social media? How you think it get out? How you think it get out? How you think it get out? What do you mean how it get out? How do you think it gets out? The corporation, what you call them,
Starting point is 00:56:32 the people that receive the money said we said... Now you got a problem with me, Tim? I ain't got no... You trying to turn it into a negative? Because I believe that... I've been posting it the past 20 years. That's not for them. I've been posting it the past 20 years. That's not for them.
Starting point is 00:56:45 I've been posting it the past 20 years. How you got a problem with that? The camera phone ain't been out for no 20 years. But it's okay. But that's neither here nor there. That's not there with no social media. I've been doing it the past 20 years. That is for you.
Starting point is 00:56:57 You posting that. That is for you. That's not for them. I post everything. So now I can't do that? I post everything. That's for you. I post everything. That's for't do that Exactly I post everything That's for you I post everything
Starting point is 00:57:07 That's for you My life My life has been public All my life So now all of a sudden I can't post I can't post If your life
Starting point is 00:57:13 I post when I post my clothes I post when I take a shower I post when I'm driving I post when I smoke I post when I have sex But I can't post my goddamn You can post But like
Starting point is 00:57:24 I post everything That But I'm just trying but I can't post my goddamn thing. You can post, but like... I post everything. But I'm just trying to understand. You're talking about, oh, you need Adelaide. I post everything. That's what I'm doing as well. It's a social site. It's a social... Everybody else posts every goddamn thing. You got rappers posting motherfucking money. You got rappers
Starting point is 00:57:40 posting money. But I can't post. You got people posting cards. I'm talking to you. You post your dog, don't you have people posting cars to you you post hey you put you push your dog don't you you push your dog hold on how's that dog how's that the same oh look what i did i'm just saying what i did hey ocho gave a thousand ocho gave two thousand that ain't for them that's for you okay that's for you you feel better you feel better now i always feel good anytime i can wake up i'm in my right mind i got use of my limbs and i got blood running over my veins it's a great
Starting point is 00:58:13 day i don't give a damn what happens after that you know and you know you know you know what you know it's even better with every one of them tips right yeah you know what happened with every one i get it come back tenfold. Yes! Hey, listen, it's been coming back tenfold and I'm going to keep on doing it. Matter of fact, in the next one because you got a problem with it, I'm going to tip the next person tomorrow five grand. That's you! And I'm going to post it. And I'm going to tag you. But here's my thing.
Starting point is 00:58:38 And I'm going to tag you. And I say, hey, I'm posting this for Uncle Shannon. But let me ask you a question. Now what? You said that, you know, Shannon, you need to be more. You're buying $10,000. How is it that you pay for somebody else's fine that you didn't even incur? How is that financial responsibility?
Starting point is 00:58:56 How is it? Did he get fined? I'm just asking you a question. Did you not pay Joe Mixon's fines last year? Yeah, it was small that wasn't a lot you're paying for something that you didn't incur how is that financially responsible it did occur because it was my idea i'm just asking you a simple question you keep talking about financial literacy how is how is that response financial responsibility that you're
Starting point is 00:59:20 paying for something that you didn't occur it's it's financial responsibility because I know how to manage my money. That's why I haven't played the game in 12 years and still have it. That's why. I can take the opportunity. Wait, stay with me. I can take the opportunity to pay a goddamn fine
Starting point is 00:59:38 because I know how to take care of my goddamn money. That's why. Damn. Thank you. Thank you. That's how. That's how. Hey, listen. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stay with me. Well, damn. Thank you. Thank you. That's hot. That's hot. Hey, listen.
Starting point is 00:59:47 Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stay with me. Hey, listen. How many of us go broke when we done playing two years after we moved from the game? You talking to them?
Starting point is 00:59:55 88%. I'm talking to you. I'm talking to you. 88%. Hold on. You just told me. What did that tell you? Stay with me now.
Starting point is 01:00:02 Stay with me now. Stay with me now. Stay with me now. Now, you told me when I was talking to you, you said you now. Stay with me now. Stay with me now. Stay with me now. Now, you told me, when I was talking to you, you said you didn't care what nobody else do. I don't want to talk about them.
Starting point is 01:00:09 I want to talk about me. Now, when you ever heard Shannon Sharp being in financial distress? Let me get a little closer so you can see me. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You part of the 15%.
Starting point is 01:00:19 I know what to do. Oh, hey there. But you, hold on. But you asking me, you told, wait, you said How you gonna talk about financial literacy And you willing to pay a fine And I just explained to you why I can do it
Starting point is 01:00:32 Because I know how to take care of my god damn dog I just want to know one thing So you don't think I got enough bread to buy a $10,000 dog Yeah you do But I don't like you buying no $10,000 dog You know why? Because the dog don't like you buying no $10,000 dog. You know why? Because the dog don't motherfucking do no goddamn thing. I know.
Starting point is 01:00:48 If I want a drink, I go to a magic show. I go to Vegas. I go see Penn and Taylor. I go see Criss Angel. No. No. You know what? I don't care what you say.
Starting point is 01:00:59 I'm never going to approve you buying no goddamn dog for no $10,000 that can fit in the palm of your hand. You just told me you didn't want my approval care but you want me to get your approval i didn't i didn't ask you for my approval because i'm gonna do what i want to do regardless hey let me let me let me ask you something let me ask you something the nfl had a set of rules right the nfl had a set of rules that comes along with playing the game can i ask you one can i ask you one thing did i ever follow any of those rules? Yeah. You follow a lot of them. Let me ask you a question. There's a rule that you could not be in motion to the line of scrimmage.
Starting point is 01:01:36 Now you're trying to be funny. Now you're trying to be funny. You know what I'm trying to say, man. Come on, man. Stop playing. You know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about. You know I ain't following them motherfucking rules. I didn't. I did what I wanted
Starting point is 01:01:50 to do and played the game well within the rules, but I did it my way. You know what I'm trying to say. Before we go any further, Sean Pearson just donated $200 to us. He said, much love, bro. Hey, Sean, bro, we really appreciate this because you know, you boy, I kicked out of Ocho. Bro, we really appreciate this. Because you know, you boy.
Starting point is 01:02:05 And I kicked out a dog. Oh, Joe. I've been waiting for this. I had to get here early. Right. I had to get here early. I'm home. I'm in Savannah, G8.
Starting point is 01:02:14 This is my home. This. Where the dog at? He home. So, this is the second time you got a $10,000 dog and he ain't travel with you. That's a waste of goddamn money. Where real? I thought he was for love.
Starting point is 01:02:28 Where real? Where real? Oh, yeah, you bought her a $300,000, $400,000 car, and she don't travel with you everywhere you go? What? Whoa, whoa, whoa. I bought. She bought that.
Starting point is 01:02:42 She the breadwinner. You bought that car for her birthday. Oh, yeah. Oh, so where Rayl? Rayl, where you at? Hey, baby. Hey, baby. Go get that puppy.
Starting point is 01:02:54 What? I don't see nobody. Turn around. No, turn around like you normally do. That guy just better ride right quick. Oh. Ain't nobody here. The bed still made up.
Starting point is 01:03:06 Before we get back hey Sean I want to thank you again bro really appreciate that hey Sean I appreciate that make sure you click that subscribe button please please
Starting point is 01:03:13 cause we growing Ocho and I we doing big things here I got my man here guys check this out when you hear we're both he's passionate
Starting point is 01:03:21 I'm passionate when we have when we have when we do what we do for 60, 75, 90 minutes, after this, hey, we on to the next. I send them the topics, what we could possibly talk about, and we're going to be as passionate tomorrow
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Starting point is 01:06:42 To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Check this out, Ocho. Oh, yeah. In my home state, a Georgia restaurant goes viral. They added $50 to the parents' bill saying the kids belonged at Burger King. Say they too bad. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait, $50?
Starting point is 01:07:10 Put a 50 spot on it. Bad ass. What's the name of the restaurant? You know the name of the restaurant or no? It's in Toccoa. It's way up there. It's in the Blue Ridge Mountains.
Starting point is 01:07:20 It's Toccoa, Georgia. Paul Anderson was from Toccoa. But it's close by. This is in the mountains. Blue Ridge, Georgia. Normally, when you go into an establishment, obviously you have customers that are coming, paying customers that are coming. They're coming for a service. We've been talking about all night
Starting point is 01:07:36 a service. And if you come in there with bad kids, that's a bad thing. It is. I mean, look, I get it. Parents want to, you know, sometimes. Can you charge? You can't charge.
Starting point is 01:07:49 I'm going to put it on the menu before you get it. Your kid's bad for the dollars. How does behavior, behavior has nothing that doesn't come with a price or an amount. I'm trying to understand how can they get away with that. You want to eat here? You either have your kids in order to let you see. If your kids stop being bad,
Starting point is 01:08:07 you wouldn't have to worry about that. I ain't never had to worry about paying extra for my kids being bad because they already do. I ain't never heard of that. I ain't never heard of that. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure
Starting point is 01:08:17 that's ethical. Airlines. We need to... Airlines? Kids don't be bad on the plane. All they do is cry And it's normally baby No
Starting point is 01:08:26 It's just infant No No Wait Don't you fly private No Sometimes Hey take
Starting point is 01:08:39 Hey take Hey take your boy with you one time Nope I want to know his life It ain't financial responsible For me to fly someone else other than myself on a private plane. Yeah, you hear that?
Starting point is 01:08:51 Yeah, that's fucked up. You know your old man in the parking lot right there? Hey, wait a minute. So, hey, I can't come on ESPN. I can't get on your private jet. Normally, when your homeboy get a new car, the first thing he do, hey, boy, I just got this new thing. I'm finna come pick you up.
Starting point is 01:09:14 Where you at? I'm about to get a new car. Where's your local? Okay, when I get my new car, I'm going to say, I'm finna drive to Tampa and scoop you. I don't care about no new car. I want to know, I want to experience what it's like to be on a private jet. I want that experience. You told me you fly it's like to be on a private jet. I want that experience.
Starting point is 01:09:25 You told me you fly the kids on a private jet to the island. I said I want to fly the kids on a private jet to the island. I think that would be a great experience for us. That would be so fun. Let your boy go. Let your boy tag along. Why are you doing that, man? Let your boy.
Starting point is 01:09:40 Why are you doing that? Why are you trying to bring a black man down? No, no, no. I'm putting Bruce in Europe. Normally what happens, hey, man, you know, I'm going to take the private jet, me, Rel, and the kid. Man, you know, you got you somebody. You can tag along with me. You just come on down to Tampa.
Starting point is 01:09:58 We leaving from Tampa. That's what a homie would do. A real homie. Ain't no fun if I can't have none. I mean, you fly on a private jet with your kid, if i can't have none i mean you fly on the plane with your kid but you don't want your boy to go wait you fly in a private jet everywhere and ain't invite me yet and i and you know i you know i've never been on one so why not i may or may not be you know what think about this think about this you know what me and chad and i'm partnering on this show man
Starting point is 01:10:23 uncle nocho man is doing really well and you know i'm really thankful you know for him and how he's been able to help me grow this you know what i could you know i know what i'm the show my appreciation of ocho i'm gonna i'm gonna bring that boy on a private jet so we get experience i'm gonna bring my church's chicken with me you know my strawberry man strawberry soda, man, with my apple pie. I didn't help you grow your half of Ocho. Or Nightcap. I didn't help you grow your half. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm just saying.
Starting point is 01:10:51 I'm saying. When the name of the show is Unc. Yeah. I don't know. It starts with Unc. It's called Nightcap. It's your show. Nah, it's Nightcap with Unc.
Starting point is 01:11:03 So that's the first name Unk and Ocho So you Tom and I'm Jerry You see that? You see where I'm going with this? You Kermit, I'm the frog Actually the same person But I get where you're going with it
Starting point is 01:11:16 Yeah, man Let me ask you a question Yeah, man Yeah So you against You against the restaurant I like this You against the restaurant I like You against the restaurant
Starting point is 01:11:26 Charging extra For Oh no no no no I say I ask Was it ethical And can you do it Can you do it
Starting point is 01:11:35 Normally Businesses are privately owned Restaurant is privately owned So they can They can sit Right right They can sit They can do what they want to do
Starting point is 01:11:41 They can sit dress code They can sit The opening closing They can say okay You only get an they want to do. They can sit dress code. They can sit the opening, closing. They can say, okay, you want to get an hour to eat, blah, blah, blah. So with a private business,
Starting point is 01:11:51 they kind of set the rule. Right. As long as they don't get covered in money. Right. Here's the thing. Yeah. We got this up on the board. Things that black people
Starting point is 01:11:58 take serious. What do you think the number one thing black people take serious? Oh, black people don't play by their money now. Don't do that. They don't play by their money now. Don't do that. They don't play by their check.
Starting point is 01:12:06 That was number two. Wait, that's some... Wait. Spades! Oh, no! You better aim. Boy, that's a good one. Spades game?
Starting point is 01:12:20 Spades. Hey. What? And the funny thing about it If you don't know the people that are in a game of spades You would think they hate each other You would think they hate each other Yeah
Starting point is 01:12:33 Spades serious man But hold on I don't know if you could put spades before you check You know black folk don't play Black folk don't play by spades But playing with somebody's money That's a different ball game Playing with somebody's money is a different ball game't play by spades, but playing with somebody money, that's a different ballgame. Playing with somebody money
Starting point is 01:12:46 is a different ballgame. Number one was spades. Number two was check, knowing who was all over there. We don't play by... Man, who over there? Oh, hey. Listen, if the wrong person...
Starting point is 01:12:56 Nah, I'm good. Nah, I'm good. I ain't coming. What about... That's right. Not eating everybody's cookie. Now, you know I ain't gonna eat everybody's cookie, though, Joe.
Starting point is 01:13:05 No, the first thing you're going to... Boy, what we cooking today? What's the food over here? Shit, who cook? You got to know who cook. Yeah, who cook? You said, you know, we have... At church, we had dinner.
Starting point is 01:13:17 We had dinner at, you know, on Fourth Sunday. My grandma didn't play that. We had it in my grandma's box. And I had an aunt named Vera Bell and Vera Bell was always back there Miss Mary her
Starting point is 01:13:32 nothing else my grandma didn't play that we didn't go to nobody's house they started looking so good boy y'all want something? Nah, we ate before we left. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:47 Me and my brother, we swooned bad. Man, look at that gravy. They got chicken. Ooh, ooh. No, ma'am. No, thank you. Damn. I sure wanted to.
Starting point is 01:13:59 Damn. I sure one day want to say, yeah, we take something. But I already know that was going to be a killing when we got home. Yeah. You know what? Them days. And you know what's funny? one day want to say, yeah, we take some, but I already know that was going to be a killing when we got home. Yeah. And you know what's funny? And I'm glad you said that. That brings back great memories, man. Them days like that gone, man. Once Big Mama
Starting point is 01:14:13 passed away, it ain't the same no more. And they want to know, who did the body? At the funeral. At the funeral. Everybody always want to know who did the funeral. At the funeral. Everybody always want to know who did the body. It looked just like himself.
Starting point is 01:14:32 I'm like, who do you expect him to look like? That him? They ain't drag somebody else. That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. Hold on. I got one for you.
Starting point is 01:14:42 I got one for you. A whole crowd of black people and one person start running. Oh, yeah. You take out Rudy. Don't play by that. We ain't looking around. We ain't asking no questions. If you start running, I'm gone.
Starting point is 01:14:55 If we pull up to the mall, Ocho, and somebody get out, if 80 is 100 degrees, and somebody get out with a trench coat and walk towards the mall, you know what? I don't even want it today. I'll get it later.
Starting point is 01:15:10 I shop another day. It's 100 degrees and you got to... Everything might be just right with it, but I ain't going to find out. I'm just going to... They ain't got no more use to it. When I was growing up, you had to get on the steering wheel the gear collar, now you just
Starting point is 01:15:28 I'm good with that Brandy and Monica, you know people still heated about Brandy and Monica who you like who you think won, Monica or Brandy hey man, them legends man, those are two
Starting point is 01:15:44 legends, I love Brandy, but I gotta go with Monica, they, them legends, man. Them, them, those are, those are two legends. I love Brandon. But I got to go with Monica. Monica from the crib. Monica from the, hey, I ain't going to get no one from the crib. Yeah, I like, I like, yeah. Like, Gunica, Gunica. Stepping on shoes.
Starting point is 01:15:54 She don't play. You know, stepping on people's shoes used to call the fight, though, Ocho. Yeah. Oh, easy. Stepping on shoes. Easy. Don't, don't step on people's shoes. I mean, you in the crowd.
Starting point is 01:16:01 Ocho, you in the club with 500 people. And you asking them, man, God damn. I'm like, bro, you see, I'm trying to squeeze. I'm trying to get skinny as a mofo to get past. I'm sorry. You can't wear your good shoes to the club. You know they're going to get stabbed on. And don't let it be white.
Starting point is 01:16:16 Don't have on no white Air Force 1. Oh, man. Don't put on. You know, we got to see it face. Don't have on no white. We got to see it face in the door. Because we got to see who coming in Can't have you back to the door You got
Starting point is 01:16:26 You can't have you back to the door I got to see how That's a sin And clock it out on time That is a sin Oh black people It's two things we gonna do Two things we gonna do
Starting point is 01:16:40 We gonna clock out on time And we take a break Lunch break Or we break? I'm getting a whole hour. From the B to the K. A break. You know what I do, Ocho? From the time I start
Starting point is 01:16:53 eating, that's when my break starts. That's when the hour starts. I ain't talking about I gotta warm the food up and start eating. That's when the album definitely came out. Because if you think I'm going to take my break
Starting point is 01:17:08 and I got to walk way down the hall and I got to warm the food up, 10 minutes already gone by. Oh, no, I'm getting all out. A whole hour of that. Yeah. Hey, listen, boy,
Starting point is 01:17:18 that's what black folk, what they funny boy, black folk funny now. College football fans felt ABC lingered too long on Caleb Williams' emotional moment with his family after the loss. Bro, this guy about to be the number one pick in the draft. Ocho, do they understand what kind of responsibility that comes along with that?
Starting point is 01:17:40 You think the camera's on him now. What you think going to come along? The expectation would be the number one it's different there's a difference between being the number one overall pick at d-line or virus or quarterback the quarterback there's a whole the friend the the franchise quarterback at that this ain't just no any number one pick this is arguably the best collegiate quarterback. In a long time, that's what he said.
Starting point is 01:18:09 Almost ever. In a long time. Long time. It's too emotional. Hey, is it bad for him to cry like that, you think? Or does that show his passion and love for the game? His passion for the game. But you know what, Ocho?
Starting point is 01:18:21 He won the Heisman last year. And, you know, I thought he had a great chance. And I thought he would have a great chance to win because his defense was so bad. So he would have to put numbers up just to keep them in. But his defense is so bad that if he has one mistake, the game gets out of hand. They're giving up 52. They're giving up 40. I'm like, he's like what damn he's like yeah they are it's hard to not have one off day everybody's gonna have one off day like
Starting point is 01:18:52 you said hotel you know you they might somebody might be having a bad day every quarterback from brady to manning from elway every quarterback has had a bad day and so you know this picked me up today he never had i mean i can't remember. Maybe he has, but I can't get, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't remember him bailing him out.
Starting point is 01:19:12 Yeah, man. That's crazy. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, but it was tough. I didn't have a problem with it because you don't have, they don't have a problem when he's hugging his family
Starting point is 01:19:23 and they win it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, family and they win it. Yeah. I mean, we got to stop it. We don't got too sensitive now. We complain about everything. Oh, that's the era we in. You might as well get used to it because it ain't going to get no better. This ain't like back in the day now.
Starting point is 01:19:37 It ain't going to get no better. You know, you have to adjust and evolve with the times. Yes, yes. But, bro, I mean, I understand he's in college, but, I mean, they had the camera on him. He's emotional. They had the camera on him when he was winning last year and he's hugging his family
Starting point is 01:19:54 and stuff. Bro, we can't just pick and choose. Oh, give him a moment. Oh, give him a moment. Come on, now. Hey, he about to come play with the big boys. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And it Come on now Hey He about to come play With the big boys Yeah Oh yeah And it ain't Too much crying
Starting point is 01:20:08 Going on the sideline Nah Ain't too much Nah It's Anything Did we leave out Ocho? No
Starting point is 01:20:17 I would like to revisit Something And I think I think it's Very important And for the People that are listening And I'm sure they're...
Starting point is 01:20:25 I know we can revisit whatever we want. I know we can revisit whatever we want. Yeah, I think that there are a lot of people that are entrepreneurs. There are a lot of people that are running businesses, whether it be small, whether they be big,
Starting point is 01:20:38 that are watching. And I think to address it one more time, and you know my love for... Keith Lee. For showing love to everybody know my love for... Keith Lee. For showing love to everybody. My love for Keith Lee as well. But what advice, since I know a lot of people are watching
Starting point is 01:20:53 and we're not as passionate as we were earlier on the topic, what advice would you have for those who are business owners or owners of restaurants or owners of last companies or doing nails or doing hair, whatever it may be that can continue to help progress their business in the right way.
Starting point is 01:21:12 What advice would you have? You have to do everything you possibly can to treat. In my company, I treat everybody the same. I treat Ash. I treat Jordanordan i treat cj colin uh jamie michael everybody we all treated the same yeah people have different positions but you're a person you have feelings you have things going on and they know they got something to come to me, we going to talk about it. Now, I ain't no big fan of lateness. Don't make way. Everybody know that. Everybody know that.
Starting point is 01:21:53 So that's what you got. But when you're in the service business, Ocho, take it. I mean, we got a podcast. I listen to what people say. They say, well, Shannon, when you have the game, we need you to talk about more than one or two teams. What do we do? We have five, six teams we talked about.
Starting point is 01:22:10 What we got in the storytelling. Well, Shannon, we need you to do more of this. So I listen because I'm trying to give them. Now, we're going to talk about what we talk about, but we're going to try to give the customer, the consumer, what they want to hear. Because a lot of times, a lot of the complaints that we got when I was on the other show, we're saying all you talked about was one player.
Starting point is 01:22:30 All you talked about was one game. Well, now we have our own platform, Ocho. We can get the Bengals in. We can get the Cowboys in. We can get Kansas City. We can get C.J. Stroud in. We can get things like that because it's ours. We can talk about stuff that a lot of other people don't get an opportunity to talk about because we are sports.
Starting point is 01:22:51 Like I said, people come for the sports. They stay for the stories. And so we have an opportunity. We talked about the Ravens and the Seahawks. Odell kept me in touch down. Obviously, Keith Lee was something viral. He talked about things that black people take serious. A little tongue-in-cheek, have fun with it.
Starting point is 01:23:08 But what you got to do, you got to listen to him. And we got to stop being so, oh, you trying to break. No, what we're trying to do is that we're trying to help you elevate. Because... That's why I asked you that question, just so we could finish on a high note.
Starting point is 01:23:24 another thing, a lot of people always ask, so to give a little bit more clarification on why my focal point was on the service industry, and you kept saying, why always them? What about me? Is I somewhat empathize with the service industry in a sense, you know, and that's why I've always been guided that way and to always, you know, always do them a certain way based on the personalities, the entitlement that they have to deal with daily, dealing with multiple personalities. So that's that's the viewpoint. I was looking at it from a different lens. But listen to you, listen to some of the followers, some of the some of the people that tweeted me, you know, the past two days. Now I have a broader vision, you know, the past, the past two days, uh, now I have a broader vision, you know, now from both sides of the spectrum. So I see things differently and that that's, that's,
Starting point is 01:24:10 that's a great thing. And I'm glad I was able to, to see it like that, to hear you and to hear them. And the funny thing, even if, even if, even if I didn't respond, whether you insult to me or not, I saw it, I saw it, I appreciate it. And so I feel much better because now that I'm informed, because I've been in such a box when it comes to eating and the way I do things is I've done it one way and that's it. So I didn't know about the other side of it. And next time, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to do motherfucking research. But you know what's hard to do with research? You got to read, right? You got to read when it comes to research. Punk, I don't know how to read. That's right. You can count up. I done to research punk i don't know how to read that's right you can count i'd have made it as far yeah i don't know how to read you know you just say i ain't no i ain't no mathematician but i can count to a couple of million oh yeah i can count i can count to them and that's the thing though joe i think the thing is for me the problem that i have i don't have a problem with that you disagree with me,
Starting point is 01:25:06 but you don't have to insult me when you disagree with me. Okay, we disagree. You like this? I didn't. You like blue? I like yellow. You like this? I like that.
Starting point is 01:25:17 But why do you have to insult me? We're having a conversation. We disagree. Right. That's the only problem that I have with social media but i like that though i mean i'm one i'm go ahead go ahead go ahead what are you gonna say i'm one of the few i'm one of the few and i've been on social media for so long is i enjoy the banter back and forth with the insults because i like the insult back. I think I lost it a little bit. That Liberty City came out of me
Starting point is 01:25:46 a little bit one time and I'm like, man, boy, what you doing, man? This is something that you're used to and you love going back and forth and bantering, even if it's insults. And it got to the point
Starting point is 01:25:56 where I lost myself once, but then the people that were insulting, I started doing my normal, you know what? I love you too. And just shooting back that way. But I was listening right i was reading everything yeah that's the idiots uh the the idiots the the the all all that
Starting point is 01:26:12 all that i like it and i mean you know it doesn't bother me because i'm used to it but um again those those that are watching those that are watching that never watched before, I heard you. I see you. I still love you. Keith Lee, I know you're going to see this. I love you, too. I see you used to do MMA. If you want to get in the octagon, get in the ring with me.
Starting point is 01:26:35 That man would beat you up and then take you to dinner. That's what that man do to you. Beat you down. Yeah, okay. Anyway, like I was saying. We done got too old to tussle. We can't tussle. Let me finish
Starting point is 01:26:50 what I'm saying, man. Ocho, you done gave the man the kudos. You ain't even let me finish. Keith, I love what you're doing, baby. Anytime, man. I'm here. Keith, he just playing, Keith. He play too much, Keith. It's all good, though.
Starting point is 01:27:05 Anyway, I hate to go I'm here. Keith, he just playing Keith. You know, he play too much Keith. It's all good, though. But that's all. Anyway, hey, Unc. Wait, wait, wait. Anyway, I hate to go off topic. You talk about Tussle. I'm fighting in February. Make sure you, I'm going to get you tickets ringside.
Starting point is 01:27:14 But anyway, go ahead. What you were saying? That's my only thing, Ocho. Because we're one of the few celebrities, Ocho, that we will respond. Most of the celebrities, I'm not no a-list but i'm i'm a i'm a little small oh boy you a-list now that's what you're not don't don't do that
Starting point is 01:27:31 you a-list but i you a-list i mean i i mean guys you know kansas city you know this team that team i respond you ask me a question i can't get to everybody's question but when you disagree and then you feel you got to insult me, bro, I'm like, bro, that ain't necessary. You got to have tough skin on. Don't let that bother you. You got to have tough skin.
Starting point is 01:27:53 Ocho, I got a thousand jokes. I'm on number seven. Oh, I can like that. So they don't, listen here, for real though, for real, I keep that thing on me. I keep that joke.
Starting point is 01:28:03 You can wait. You got that thing on you? I keep that joke thing on me. You got that thing on you? I keep that joke thing on me. Oh, I can never have it. But you know, I'm in a different place now. I work for Disney. You know what I mean? He got the little ears.
Starting point is 01:28:14 He got the little ears. You know? Hey, you know, that's one of the few things I don't like, is I don't want to get so a I don't want to get so high where I can't I can't be myself I can't I
Starting point is 01:28:29 that just it doesn't bother me but I just want to be able to still be myself on Twitter if you insult me I want to be able to go back at you and then
Starting point is 01:28:38 and then tell you you know and then tell you I love you because you know what it is I had a lot a lot of times it was women women would say would say some of the cruelest things and when i like to ass up i can't believe you talk this way to a woman well i can't believe you talk that way to me oh the victim
Starting point is 01:28:56 yeah yeah yeah yeah take this last one with you now get on now get on my timeline you come on my timeline i didn't come on your timeline you came on my timeline insult me but you know what guys yeah i really really appreciate hold on i think we got one more oh man shout out to rodney dinkins hold on did you think I think it is but that's that's somebody from college
Starting point is 01:29:27 being on Coach Hall's wall in Glenville Georgia with you this is Rock I know who it was yeah yeah yeah yeah I know I know
Starting point is 01:29:34 without Rock his dad rest his soul was was a great player in Glenville he was one of my he was one of my
Starting point is 01:29:44 former coaches when I was playing Little League football. So when I look at that today, I'm like, Rodney Dinkins. I'm like, hold on. I know that name. I know that name. Yeah. All right. My coach is going to be a Coach Hall.
Starting point is 01:29:56 Coach Hall has known my family. He drove the school bus for my mom. He coached all my uncles, all my aunts, me and my brother for 50 years. Drove every single day from Savannah to Glenville. That's 65 miles one way. Now, a lot of times he would drive to Glenville, take us to Savannah for track meets, drive us home, take everybody home, and then drive back to Savannah. Before you go, let me tell you, I had one thing.
Starting point is 01:30:25 You know what? When I played, I had one rule. When I played, I played football, basketball, and ran track. I had one rule. Yes, sir. In order for me to play a sport, they had to take my aunt home. My aunt had to ride the bus home. My sister would bring her, drop her off.
Starting point is 01:30:42 Yeah. In order for me to play that sport, when it came time to go, right. She got on the bus with us. Yeah. I like that. She got in the van with us. That was the only way.
Starting point is 01:30:52 That was the only, that was the only rule that I had. Right. I know they weren't going to tell me no, cause they want to be. You were that, you were that boy. But my aunt,
Starting point is 01:31:01 my aunt, my aunt Jane, she was at every, she was at every football game. She was at every track meet, she was at every football game. She was at every track meet. She was at every basketball game. And at the end of the night, she got on the bus with us. She got on the bus.
Starting point is 01:31:15 That was my only thing. I like that. I appreciate Coach Hall. I appreciate all my coaches that allowed my aunt to come to the game because that's what she enjoyed doing. So I really appreciate that. I wanted to share that story with you. I don't know how many guys have an opportunity to do that, but
Starting point is 01:31:28 that meant a lot to me to have. I always, it might not have been my mom or my sister or my brother, but I knew I always had one person in the stands room for me. That was my Aunt Jane. That's live.
Starting point is 01:31:45 That's live. I like that Aunt Jane. That's live. That's live. I like that. Hey, guys, thank you again. Please make sure you... Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I got to go. I got to go work in the morning. Wait, hold on.
Starting point is 01:31:54 Hold on. Hold on. Hey, we got to end. You got to let me end it. This is what we have to do. What do you want to do? We got to have a special, right? Every time we end the show,
Starting point is 01:32:01 every time we end the show, I got to end it with two lines of a song. But you say what you got to say the show i got to end it with two lines of a song but you say what you got to say and i'm gonna end it with a song thank you guys thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of nightcap make sure you click that subscribe button we greatly appreciate your support and loyalty over the last month of last two months we're going to continue to grow thanks to you tell your family tell your friends tell all your loved ones to make sure they click nightcap show and watch us on youtube because we're going to
Starting point is 01:32:31 talk about some of everything and you never know uh when i'm going to tell another story that's gonna get me out so moving forward ocho wants to be the one that signs off so i'm gonna allow him to sign off with a song. Take it away. You got to stay with me. You got to stay with me, y'all. And you know the words, so just come in with me. All right?
Starting point is 01:32:52 Okay, we like the five hobbies. Don't leave me hanging, please. Go ahead. Let me see what you got. Even if you can't sing, just say the words. You ready? On a hill
Starting point is 01:33:06 Far away Stood an old rugged cross Come on I don't know that song The emblem of suffering and shame Come on, don't do me like that, baby. I don't know that one. And I love
Starting point is 01:33:30 that old cross with a dear and best for a world of lost sinners was slain. Thank you for watching that, Cap.
Starting point is 01:33:47 Right, right here. No, no, no, no, no. Stay with me, now. So I'll cherish the old rugged cross. Okay. Thank you. God, I can't believe you, man. I don't know that I'm good.
Starting point is 01:34:01 We finished down here. Wait, what church you went to, man? Thank you. Mount Zion Missionary Baptist Church. Y'all ain't had no choir?. I don't know that. We finished down here. Wait, what church you went to, man? Thank you. Mount Zion Missionary Baptist Church. Y'all ain't had no choir? Yeah, we had a choir. Well, how you don't know the song? Oh, right.
Starting point is 01:34:12 Of course. That's back from the 40s. I don't know that song. Thank you for watching. Thank you for watching Nightcap. I'm your favorite. Why you trying to hang up? I don't got nowhere to go.
Starting point is 01:34:22 He's your favorite. Number 85. His team won tonight, so he's very excited. Keith Lee checked it. Hit it with a quick elbow. Got it right there live. Chow, please. We'll be back at you tomorrow night.
Starting point is 01:34:35 Same time. I love y'all. I love y'all. Follow me. Make sure you click that subscribe button. The catch. Hunk it on show. Nightcap.
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