Nightcap - Nightcap - Did LeBron Need Miami & How Long Can You Cuddle For?

Episode Date: November 10, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson discuss the lackluster Thursday Night Football game between the Chicago Bears and Carolina Panthers, if LeBron James needed his Miami Heat stint to reach GOAT status, how long is TOO long to cuddle before bed, the joys and tragedy of pet ownership, and much more.  #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm your favorite sports uncle, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85 Cincinnati Bengal legend, Liberty City's most famous, Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson. Please make sure you click that subscribe button. Make sure you give the like button because, guys, in the next, say, five minutes, we're going to go over a quarter million subscribers. Short quarter million subs.

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The Bears defeat the Panthers. Good thing the Bears did that because they possessed the Panthers' number one pick. So there's a good chance they might get the first and the second or the first and the third pick this year's draft. Bears defeat the Panthers 16-13. Tyler Bajet, 20 of 33, 162. Bryce Young, 21 of 38, 185. Wasn't a whole lot going on in this game, Mocho,

but what was one of your takeaways from it? I mean, it really wasn't much to take away. I'm not going to lie to you. You know, I respect everybody that was on the field tonight, but it was a boring game. It wasn't a good game at all. Both sides of the ball, there was a lot of pun. If anything, it was a kicker's game.

That's what I like to call it. It was a kicker's game. You had a special teams touchdown by the Panthers. Other than that, it was a slow game on both sides of the ball. Komet had a very, very good game. He's become a security blanket for Tyler. How do you say his name the right way? I don't want to.

Beijing. Beijing. He becomes Beijing. He becomes a security man for Beijing. He did well. I would like to see DJ Moore get a little bit more involved and make that offense a little bit more

prudent and efficient. He did what he could to do the catches. Some of the plays that did go to him, he made the most of those. Other than that, this was a bad one, man. This was a bad one. I'm not sure who slays these Thursday night games

or what they saw beforehand as opposed to why they did it. No disrespect to the Bears or the Panthers, but this was bad. It was a snooze fest, and that's no disrespect. I mean that in the most respectful way. You know, the problem is, Ocho, is that you got two teams, one playing with a Division II quarterback, and the other is a rookie, and there's not a whole lot of talent on the offensive side

of the footballs on either side. And then you get them on a short week. So what did you expect to happen? You're not getting Kansas City and Cincinnati. You're not getting two of the more high-flying offenses. You're getting – basically, you're getting two rookie quarterbacks. One, although he was the number one overall draft pick, the other is a Division II quarterback.

I don't know if we could really expect a lot more. I think the, the Carolina is going to have to get a lot better and real soon because Bryce young is only five, 10, 190 pounds. He can't take that kind of pound. He can't keep picking himself off the ground.

Oh, Joe, they've got to get him some talent. They got to get him some playmakers. He's not the same Adam Thielen he was five years ago in Minnesota. We understand that. They're going to probably have to go out to the

free agent market because, remember, they gave up so much in order to draft Bryce Young. So now it's hard for you to develop because you're going to be picking third, fourth round. That's not to say you can't go find a wide receiver in the third or fourth round. You can, but it makes it harder. You're

probably going to have to build through free agency. That's probably the way. And Chicago. Chicago's going to get Caleb Williams. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Remember what Caleb Williams said now? If he has to go to,

if he has to go to a team, that's really bad. He won't, he won't do it. I'm not sure. Yes. That's your question. Don't you give your honest opinion.

You got a chance. You, there's a chance you go to a team and that's not where you want to go, but you know, the moment you sign, you got $40 million fully guaranteed. You go back to college. And what's the potential? ACL, Achilles, blow out your shoulder.

What are you doing? That's a good one. I like when you put it like that, when you give me that analogy, that hypothetical analogy. Obviously, I'm going. But I think Caleb Williams is stuck on that. Remember, was it Eli Manning? Who was drafted? Was it Eli Manning that

was drafted to the Chargers? And they said, uh-uh. It ain't happening. It ain't happening. I mean, I'm not sure if Caleb Williams has the same type of pull, being that that's NFL... He ain't got a brother named Peyton and a dad named Archie. Right, right, right.

I'm not sure if he had that type of leverage, but as good as Caleb Williams is, as much as he is sought after as far as being an number one pick, I really think he's going to stand on business about having to go to a team like that that is extremely bad. He's going to take the brunt of the issues

and the problems with that franchise. I really think he is. I don't believe he stands. I don't believe he does. I'm not running the risk. You'd be foolish. And you just saw Aaron Rodgers take four snaps and his Achilles go. Right.

You just saw Kirk Cousins, who really never missed any game, in his Achilles. We've seen guys just non-contact injuries. And I don't want to put that in the air. But you have to weigh all those options. You said Eli said, well, I don't want to go play with that team. But Eli said that after they had taken him number one overall. So to say you're going to go back and play.

Remember now, he didn't go back to Ole Miss. He said this. And the Chargers did him a solid. And they got, you know, they got Phillip Rivers. They drafted Sean Merriman. They got some pretty good players out of that. So, for me, I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure.

I don't believe he stands on business. I know it sounds good. And it sounds like, oh, man, he's going to do it. You saw John Elway do it. And you saw Eli Manning do it. But it's so much money involved now. You're talking about 40. And here's the thing, Ocho. Going back to college

puts you another year further away from that $300 million contract. That's how you got to think now. See, you can't think about, well, I'm going where I don't want to go. That's another year you kick the can down the road because by the time he comes up, the contract is going to be 300

350 million so are you willing to put that off for another year I don't believe so Ocho I'll be honest I don't do you think do you think the Bears are going to have the first pick and are you are you ready to move on are they ready to move on from Justin Fields

here's the thing though see they got their first round pick and they got Carolinas no they're going to get the first round pick from carolina that's what they gonna do they got carolinas pick because remember they the bears had the number one pick they traded that so guess what you can do i'm gonna take caleb williams i can trade justin fields i can get another first and a third or a first and a fourth. So now guess what, Ocho? I can have me three. So I have a question.

Do you know what order they're picking? Because if you go Caleb Williams first, is it possible to get Marvin Harrison Jr. or that's not even possible? It's possible. How good are the Bears going to be? How many games are they going to be? Am I willing?

I don't know if I'm willing to package the second pick in the draft and maybe the two top ten picks. I mean, maybe if he has that high of a grade, sure. If you think he's that good, if you think he can be – because think about where Justin Jefferson went. Right. He went like 18, 19. Right, right, right. So you look at some of the top

receivers, I think of the guys that are playing off the charts right now, only Jamal Chase went in the top five. Right, right. Look, look, look where A.J. Brown went. Look what Justin Jefferson went. Look what C.D. Lamb went. Look what Tyreek went. Look where Stephon Diggs went.

Right. Yeah, but Marvin Harrison Jr. what Stephon Diggs win. Right. Yeah, but Marvin Harrison Jr. is special. He's special. He's a game chamber. He's a friend. He's a franchise game chamber type player. He's dynamic from anywhere on the field. He can score. He can hit his head off the goalpost from anywhere on the field. So now that I'm thinking, I know I'm thinking far ahead, but if

the Bears are able to get capable and also find a way to manage and get Marvin Harrison Jr., man, that'd be beautiful. That'd take some of the weight off of the coordinator. But here's the thing. Plus, you get Marvin Harrison Jr. You pair him with a DJ Moore. You pair him with a Cole Kermit.

Now you got something. You're quarterbacking. You got young guys that your quarterback can grow with. That's nasty. Yeah, so that's how you got to think. Get these guys to see the thing. People don't realize, when Peyton got

there, he had Marvin. He had Marshall Falk. They traded Marshall Falk and then guess what they got Andrew and James and then guess what a couple years later they got Reggie Wayne and guess what then they went and got Dallas Clark

and then they paired him with a Brandon Stokely and then they got Anthony Gonzalez so you see how yeah you see what, yeah, yeah. You see what they did. That's what you, that's what you do.

And you get these, these guys, I mean, Phillip Rivers had, he had Antonio Gates basically from the jump. Ben had Heinz for a number of years. He had Plaxico. He had Antoine Randall L.

What's the receiver that ended up winning? He wouldn't end up winning up winning a Super Bowl MVP. Ended up getting traded. Oh, Santonio. Santonio. Santonio. You see what they did? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They gave them. Yeah, yeah. So that's what. Look what. Patrick Mahomes had a Travis Kelsey. Yeah. He gave him a Sammy Watkins. He had a Tyreek

okay he got your ass so give your young guy I don't care how talented he is he can't overcome poor wide receiver play or poor skill position play you got to give him weapons

if you wanted a guy to cook give him some great ingredients to make a great dish. It's really that simple, Ocho. But yeah, it wasn't the best game. But Thursday, I mean, what do you expect? Because, Ocho, you know how it was, man. I didn't start to feel good until damn Friday. How the hell do you expect me to play

and get beat all up? Don't play 65, 70 plays on Sunday, and then I got to turn and flip it right around Thursday. Do it again. You know, today was, ah, 70 plays on Sunday, and then I got to turn and flip it right around and do it again. Today was, it's bad. I hate to say that as much as I love the game of football, it was hard to watch. It was hard to watch, but

it's one thing I know. I hate to skip ahead like this, but next goddamn Thursday, them goddamn Bengals and them Ravens. Yeah. That's going to be a good one that's the one I can get up from and you know what guess what Ocho if you saw they're going to

knock the sword inside you that's one thing you know the Ravens man hey that's one thing having been in that organization for two years oh they're going to play defense now oh yeah that's more than a slogan when they say play like a Raven, oh, they absolutely.

They meant it. Listen, any time it was Ravens week, Marvin Lewis always had a motto. A motto. It was called bring your second chin strap because you was going to need it. Because they going to knock the first one off. Check this out, Ocho. I know you saw this. Earlier today, the Westminster Dog Show tweeted.

Yeah. They have no record of chad being a judge in 1993 no no they didn't say that they didn't say that don't do that don't do that don't do that okay they said they said they said we checked the records from 1993 and i was there they didn't say that i was there i had the photos i have i can get. I can get the photos right now. I wish you would. What group? I told you what group. It was the toy group. It was the toy group.

I judged the toy group. What group did you judge? The toy group. Oh, okay. And I can tell you who won. Who? 1993. It was a Bajon Fris. A Bajon Fris named Stanley. Actually, the Bajon Fris. A Bajon Fris named Stanley. No, actually, the Bajon Fris, JR.

His name was JR, and he was handled by Scott Summer. I don't think he won until 2003, 2004. That was the first year the Bajon won. Again. Not 93. It was 93. How you going to tell me? How you going to tell me?

You do realize that. Hold on. You do realize, like, I actually covered the Westminster Dog Show. Hold on. You covered and I judged. You covering and me judging is two totally different things. Okay, since you judged, how many teeth does a dog have? How many what?

Teeth does a dog have? Is it what, 40, 43, right? 42. How many on the top? How many on the bottom? It's more on the top? How many on the bottom? It's more at the top than it is at the bottom. No, it's more at the top. It's less at the top than it is at the bottom.

No, it's more at the top than it is at the bottom. It's 20 at the top and 22 at the bottom, Ocho. Wait, you laughing? I ain't far off now. I wouldn't lie to you, Ocho. Ocho, you know I wouldn't lie to you. I think you're lying to me, though. I wouldn't lie to you. But I know. Come you, Ojo. Ojo, you know I wouldn't lie to you. I think you lying to me, though. I wouldn't lie to you.

But I know. Come on. Give me some more questions. I know about my dog, man. When I covered it, obviously, you know, you had to know what you're talking about. And they asked me what breed would I like to cover. Now, I've owned Rottweilers, Akitas, Bullmastiff, Pomeranians. You had an Akita? I did. They beautiful, man.

Beautiful. God damn. You got your work cut out for you with dealing with those now. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. They're loyal. That's the most loyal dog I ever had. Right.

Did you hear the story about Hachi? They had a guy in Japan. He used to go to work. He had to catch the train to go to work, which was about 35 miles away. He was a professor. Right. And the dog would go walk to the train station with him, go back home and around the time the dog,

and he would wait, he would wait for the dog. He would wait for his owner to come back. His owner had a heart attack one day and didn't return. He went to, he'd go back to the train station every day for nine years and wait for his owner to come back. And he never came back. Every day. They're loyal like that.

We would literally have to give my dog anxiety medicine because when I left to go, I was working at CBS at the time. Right, right. He would literally throw up. He would just sit in the window. He would just sit in the window and wait for me to come back home. He wouldn't eat. He would just sit in the window and wait for me to come back home. He wouldn't eat. He would just sit there and wait. I have a question. Now, you've owned

a lot of dogs, and there's a pain. There's a pain that I can't deal with, and I'm not sure how you're able to withstand that pain. When you lose a dog, when a dog passes away, how do you deal with that pain? It took for me, once I got to high me, once I got to high school,

once I got to high school and I lost my bulldog, I couldn't do it no more. I couldn't stay in that pain no more. There's nothing, there's no pain like losing an animal, man, that you've had for nine, ten years. How do you continue to do it and put yourself through that? Because the love that I have for them and the love that they give me ocho and and and i and i told you this when i had i lost uh i lost titus not no

titan i had a dog had a bull master i had two lost both of them named titan and the thing was what hurt me so bad is that he was only 30 months old and when I was explaining to the people as I was posted, I was talking to them on Facebook that I was going to have to put him down. I said, some things can only be seen through the eyes that have cried. Unless you've had a pet and lost it, you can possibly, and people say that all the time. And people that ask me, like, man, how you, you never owned a pet. Now, Samson, Samson, you never owned a pet. Now,

Samson, Samson. I remember, uh, Samson was the key that I had. And I remember my girlfriend at the time calling me and she said, well, she said,

Shannon, he's not doing well. I don't know if he's going to make it until you get home. That was Saturday. Yeah. So he'll make it. I said, he's not going to go until he sees me.

Yeah. So when I get home, I get, cause I couldn't come home. I couldn't come home that night. I had to come home early the next morning. So I caught the first flight out. I get home. He's laying on the floor on her side of the bed and I walk it, I walk into the room. I called him Bo. I didn't call him Sam. I called him up. I said, Bo, he lifts his head up and he's thumping his tail. He could. That's all he could do. He could just thump his tail. Just thump his tail on the floor. And it was like, OK, I'm good now. I don't saw daddy. I'm good.

So by that time, I've all we've already made, you know, the nurse was going to come over and they were going to put him down. Ocho, I'm talking about it was almost instantly. He was so ready to go. Man, as soon, I'm talking about probably one drop, he was gone. He just, he had to see me. He wasn't going to go until he saw me. All my dogs are the same way. I had a Tonka man, Ocho.

He was perfect. I'm talking about he was jumping up on the bed and everything. And Thursday, he had like a little limp. I said, but okay. He's okay. He's getting a little old, but I'd say he's okay. Friday, he struggled, but he came up the stairs. And so I was like, okay, I'm going to take him to the bed. If he don't get any was like, okay, I'm going to take him to the bed.

If he don't get any better than this Monday, I'm going to take him to the bed. So I'm upstairs on Saturday morning and I hear him struggling, trying to come upstairs. And I run down the stairs. I got the two little ones at the time, Taz and Tarzan. I got the two little ones and I go downstairs. I said, nah, I said, nah, don't worry about it, buddy.

So, I grabbed my keys. I had my phone because I already knew I was going to take him to the bed. I said, you want to go for a ride? He loved a ride. Oh, Joe. He take two steps outside and falls.

So, now, I got to pick a 167-pound dog up and I got to pick 167 pound dog up and I pick, I got so much adrenaline going. I pick him up like he a pillow. I put him in my car and I'm driving to the vet. I got the windows down. He's looking at the window cause he loves, he has a seizure. So now I'm driving down Wilshire. He's having a seizure about to jump out the window

so I've got to hold the steering wheel like this and grab him and pull him back so I go away I run into the van I said my dog had a seizure you know blah blah blah he can't walk so they get there and they ask what happened I said we came outside

I was going to bring him here and he just collapsed he just collapsed. He just doesn't have any movement in his hind legs. They said, okay, we'll see what we can do for him. I drove out of there saying he's never going to be the same boy.

He's never going to be the same Tonka man again. So he stayed there. They ran some tests and they said, well, Mr. Sharp, they think he had a blood clot and it paralyzed him from his back down i went and got him uh that wednesday me and my girlfriend we went and got him i rode him around i always would take him every day i took him around the block i took him his favorite took him the scenic route around right um she made him his favorite meal she made him steak and potatoes uh real who's a good friend of mine who used to watch him as a puppy,

she came over and saw him. She said, can I come over and see him? I said, yep. CJ, my producer, came over and brought him some treats. Had the guy come over. I said, boy, it's going to be okay. I said, Tonka Man is going to be okay. And I put him down.

But Ocho, people say, you know, I've heard people say, you know, I found happiness. Or I found myself. Happiness and self isn't something you find. It's something you create. I've created a happiness

with those dogs that is indescribable. find is something you create. I've created a happiness with those dogs that is indescribable. And like you said, oh, it's pain. Because my sister had two Rottweilers at first. And my sister, I gave them to my sister because the apartment complex wouldn't let me have two dogs.

And so I told my sister, you know, to take them. Man, and one of them dogs lost she said Shannon I'll watch your dogs but I don't want another one she said she said that pain hurt me like I lost a child and she actually did lose her son and she said Shannon it hurt like that yeah she said I don't want another she said I'll watch him I'll come stay as long as you need me to stay she said, I'll watch him. I'll come, stay as long as you need me to stay. She said, but Sheldon, I can't do this again. So I understand what you're saying, but man,

Ocho, I've had a dog every year since 92. I can't imagine my life without one. I can't. I can't deal with that pain. You sitting here telling me, you telling me stories of your dog, you got me over here crying and they ain't even my damn dog. I ain't even lose them. That's the type of that's, no, it's, I can my damn dog. I ain't even lose them.

That's the type of, that's, no, it's, I can't do it. I can't, I can't withstand that pain again. When I lost my dog, that bulldog, when I was in high school, never again. Never again. Because they don't ever get upset at you. I don't want that. Ocho, you can yell and scream and leave the house. When you come back, they're going to be waiting on you at the front door. Man, where you been? Man, I've been waiting

on you all day to get back home. You just not get back home. Come on, let's go to the backyard. What you eating? Give me some of what you eating. There's nothing like a love that an animal I mean, I've never owned a cat, but you know, cat people say the cat give them the same type of love and satisfaction that a dog does.

Yeah. So, oh, you know what, Ocho? people say the cat give them the same type of love and satisfaction that a dog does yeah so uh oh you know what i wanted to get and i know you probably heard of it by now i wanted to respond to some of the criticism and i normally don't respond to the criticism because i don't i don't care anyway and there have been a lot of guys there have been a lot of people taking shots at me personally. But we know why. They see Unk and Ocho. They see the success that we're having. They see Club Shea Shea, the success that I'm having doing that. They see the success that I'm having on ESPN. So sometimes the only success someone can have is that they take a bite out of you.

That's their success is about biting you. And I'm cool with that. But I was asked, and I think the question was, is that LeBron said he would be still the same player had he never played in Miami. Absolutely. And two things can be true. I believe LeBron James would have still been the all-time leading scorer. I still believe LeBron James would have scored 30,000

points, had 10,000 rebounds, 10,000 assists. I still believe he would have been a first-team All-NBA player. I still believe he would have been a multi-time All-Star player. But the pushback that I'm going to give, I do not believe he's LeBron James

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Because without that, because prior to him going there, he had zero championships, but two MVPs. He goes to miami he gives two titles and two more mvps so now he's four and two there's only a handful of people now you gotta go there's only three people before lebron did it wilt got four jordan has five russell has five and i think kareem has six so there there's four people. So now LeBron is an exclusive company. So now people got like, hold on, wait a minute. And he had him at the age of 28.

So now he goes back to Cleveland. He gets another title. Four and three. He goes to LA. He gets another title. Now he's four and four. So now he he gets another title now he's four and four so now he's an elite company he's one of one of two men to win multiple mvps two locations kareem right three and three three in milwaukee three in la he's one of two men to win multiple mvps uh finals MVPs, at different locations.

Kawhi, San Antonio, Toronto, Kareem, Milwaukee, LA, LeBron James. So could you still be the same player? Yes,

but not the player we know because without that, because whether you see, here's the thing, Ocho, you can't say, and everybody keeps saying, he could go anywhere and win those titles. Yeah.

Kevin Durant. At that age, he can. Kevin Durant went to Golden State, stayed three years, won two titles, finals MVP both years, got hurt the third year, even though advanced, they lost. He went to Brooklyn for four years. How many more times, how many more championships he won? Whoa, can I ask you a question? Let me stop you right there.

We talk about LeBron James. Okay. We talk about the greatest play. We talk about the greatest play on the planet that would change the dynamic of any team he's on. So in his 20s, in his early, in his late, late, late 20s,

they say 28, he could have went anywhere. He could have went to any team and they would have been in the finals. Why did he go to Miami then? The way he told him to come home. No, no, no, no, no. But you said he could have went anywhere. He could have went to any team and they would have been in the finals. Why did he go to Miami then? D-Wade told him to come home. No, no, no, no, no. But you said he could have gone anywhere.

I mean, he could have gone anywhere. That was the best chance for him to win. Am I correct? What? Obviously, he wanted to pair himself. He wanted to pair himself with Bosh and Wade. I mean... See, Ocho,

see, this is what... You can't say... Remember, he won with Cleveland, right? Yes. Who did he have on the team with him? But here's the thing. What knowledge did he take back that he had acquired from Miami back to Cleveland? How to win.

Oh, so where did he learn that? In Miami. Okay, then. So without that state in Miami, is he the same? Do we view him the same? Without those four MVPs, without those two other MVPs, because here's the thing, Ocho, this is what we got to look. If he doesn't get those two MVPs, regular season,

and those two final MVPs, how do you put him in front of Kareem? Kareem has six regular season MVPs, two finals MVPs, five titles. How do you put him in front of Kareem? Kareem has six regular season MVPs, two finals MVPs, five titles. How do you put him in front of Jordan, who's six and six? How do you put him in front of Tim Duncan, who has five titles, three finals MVP, two regular season MVPs? How do you put him in front of Magic? Magic has three regular season MVPs, five finals, three finals MVPs. How do you put him in there if he doesn't have that Miami stint on his resume? You're underestimating how great LeBron is. I think if he didn't go to Miami, if he chose to go somewhere else, regardless of where it would have been,

I think the outcome would have been the same. No, that's not what he said. Even he said it. If you read LeBron James'ames tweet this is what lebron said you damn right i would still be i'm chosen ain't nothing changing maybe less rings but dominant from start to finish even he said it he said maybe less rings but common sense of the eye test will tell you wherever lebron goes that team hell or high water, is probably going to be in the finals or in contention to be in it. No, no, no. No, no.

It's always been that. You got to win it. It's always been that with him. Hold on. It can't be contention because he went to the finals four years in Cleveland. He won one. Yeah. He's only won one title in L.A.

He's been here five years. So we can't automatically assume because that's hypothetical we can let's deal with what we know Ocho we've got to deal with what we know and that's what I'm saying because now without those two extra MVPs regular season without those two extra finals MVPs guess who else you bring into the equation one Stephen Curry yeah Because Steph has four. Yeah. Steph has two MVPs and a final MVP. So now let's just say for the sake of argument, LeBron has two regular season MVPs, two finals MVPs. MVPs, yeah.

Are we looking at LeBron the same way? Yeah, we are. No, we're not. Because he's different. No. He's different. I mean, he's different. No, he's different. So are you basing his greatness solely on MVPs and titles alone? That's it. But that's how you get into the GOAT debate is rings. Remember? Rings. No. Okay. Right. You and I both said you can be great and not have ring. Charles Barkley was a great player.

Karl Malone was a great player. John Stockton was a great player. We can't, we can't put, we can't put them on the same stratosphere on the same pedestal as LeBron. But let me ask you, LeBron is different. He's, he's in a category of his own with Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant. But what does he have? Rings, rings, Ocho. Right. I understand what you're saying, but even still, just even, even, even without the rings, dude, dude, he's, he's.

Ocho, without the rings, he's not in the gold conversation. Without the rings, he's not in the gold conversation. So you. He's out of it. He's out of it. It's not even a debate. See, for me, I don't put anybody i don't put if you look at my top five my top five you have to have at least three regular season mvps that's how i took it three so let me ask you a question yes let's say he had the scoring title yes but he wasn't able to win any rings or championships.

So he's not in the goal conversation? He wouldn't even, no. Because he don't have any rings. He wouldn't even be in the conversation. So how would you put him with no rings? Hold on. Ocho, think about this here. Is it different for football then?

No. So the players that were great that have never won a ring, does that mean they're not great? They're not in the conversation because it's a team game. It's a team game. But here's the thing. When you look at quarterbacks, name a quarterback. It's Brady, Montana.

It's Manny. Yeah. Now, see, and this is what we talk about the levels. This is what we're talking about goals because you can be great and not and not have rings you can i believe that i believe you can be great and not have ring charles barton was a great player okay look at how we look at kevin durant look at scott now excuse me i take that. I'm talking about Kevin. Look at how we looked at Kevin Garnett before and then after he got that ring. You see the difference?

Look at how we looked at Dirk Nowitzki before and after he got the ring. So my argument is, how would we be able to say LeBron is a goat with just two rings? When Kobe has five, when Duncan has five, when Kareem has five, when Jordan has six, when Magic has five,

and all the guys that I mentioned are Jordan, Jordan has six, has five regular season MVPs. Magic has five regular season MVPs. Magic has three regular season MVPs with three finals MVPs. So, you're right, but I don't believe

without Miami because here's the thing. We saw. I believe, and I think everybody out there believe, had Kevin Durant not gotten hurt in 2019, Toronto not beating them. No, absolutely not. But you see what can happen? You see what can happen?

One injury changed the landscape. Yeah. You see what happened with Kevin Durant, with LeBron? Kyrie and Kevin Love got hurt. Changed the whole complexion of the series, didn't it? Right, right. Kevin Durant in Brooklyn.

Kyrie gets hurt. James Harden is dealing with a hamstring. You see how things got to be? Now, this is what we know for LeBron. He's averaged 25 points. He's never scored less than 25 points in the season since his rookie year. He averages 27-7-7. I believe he goes anywhere else and still averages 27, seven and seven.

Yeah. But averaging 27, seven and seven ain't the same as what he did in Miami. And when he got two more MVPs back to back, two more finals, MVPs back to back, it changed the way we looked at it. But I still,

I'm telling you, I still think you, your, your knowledge of the game of basketball is much better than I am. Me, as an outsider watching in, I think, regardless of what LeBron tweeted, minus Leshrings, minus Leshrings is my ass. I have a feeling that he could have went to any team, any NBA team, obviously with a supporting cast, an efficient supporting cast, and done the exact same thing he did in Miami. I know he could have. I know he could have. I know he could have because he's that special of a player.

He's that special. How do we know? Because remember, it takes more than just four to win a title. Look at the resume. The resume speaks for itself. Ocho, think about how close they came to losing the title. They was a Ray Allen backpedal behind the three. Three.

The greatest shot in NBA history. Clutch. Just to survive. Right. So for us to sit here and say, well, he could have gone anywhere else and won anything, it's really not that simple, Ocho. Not for a championship.

Is it that simple for him to go somewhere and average 27-77? Or to average 30 like he did for the lakers two years ago and like he averaged 29 last year sure he's that he's that he's lebron he's a goat right and i said what made me put him there is that when i factored into regular season mvps i factored into finals mvps at three different stops. Now, Ocho, 30,000 points, 10,000 rebounds, 10,000 assists. You factor in all the first team, all the NBAs. You factor in all the all-star appearances.

You start factoring all of that. This is just not a longevity because there are a lot of guys that played 20, not a lot of guys, I think there are nine guys that played a total of 20 years or more, but they're averaging four points he's gonna average four he's gonna end up averaging what he's he i don't i don't know if he averaged 27 but he'll probably be around 24 25 points a game and you're 21 yeah so that's that's that's what i believe though i think the thing is ocho i think what the reason what what caught people so far off guard is that this is a totally different audience, ESPN, than when I was at Undisputed. And if you watch me on Undisputed, you know that I've criticized some of the things LeBron has done.

We had a play, some of the things that he's said. I think that people had this perception that all I do is Kate, Kate, Kate, Kate, Kate for LeBron. Right. And that's not true. I don't believe any player. I don't believe any person is beyond reproach. I don't believe any player or any person is a beyond criticism because you have being who you are. Criticism comes along with it. Right. If you don't want the criticism, you should not take the praise. Yeah. He's still in my estimation to go,

but I believe it took that Miami stint to put him on the path. Now going back to Cleveland, going to four more, winning an MVP, going to the Lakers, winning another finals MVP. And he's been dominant. He's been great. So they made it seem like I say LeBron was a bum. Man, if he ain't go to LeBron. And it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive, Ocho. Miami benefited. LeBron benefited. A lot of times we just want to say, no, you benefited. But I like to think in a relationship, no matter if it ended or not,

we both got something out of it. Right. I like that. That's just me. Now, sometimes we're like, I ain't getting nothing out of that. I ain't getting nothing. Right.

Okay. I took something. Maybe if it wasn't nothing but a damn good meal. I got something out of it. That's a good one, man. That's a good one. But I'm telling you, I wholeheartedly believe he could have gone anywhere. He came to the heat, what, 2012? 2011.

2010, because they ended up losing. Think about it, Ocho. Think about it now. For me, had he won 2011 against the Mavericks, I don't even think it's a debate. I don't think it's Ocho. Think about it now. For me, had he won 2011 against the Mavericks, I don't even think it's a debate. I don't think it's a debate. A lot of people can't put LeBron in front of Jordan for the simple fact

of 2011. They said, I just can't do it. Because I saw guys that Jordan would have scored 60 on. They're not putting J.J. Barea on Michael Jordan. They're not putting J.J. Barea on Michael Jordan. They're not putting Deshaun Stevenson on Michael Jordan. And so a lot of people can't get over that hurdle there.

Right. Right. But I believe it took all of that to get him to what we see now. The finished product that we see now happened because of 2011. Yeah. But the finished product would have been the same regardless of where he was at because of who he is. Because of who he, but the finished product would have been the same regardless of where he was at because of who he is. Because of who

he is, the finished product. You can't tell me, well, if he didn't come to the Miami Heat, the finished product of what we're witnessing now wouldn't be who he is. It would still be the same guy. But you're saying individually. See, I'm not talking about individually. I'm talking from a team aspect as well.

I'm talking from a team aspect and having MPPs and championships. If he went somewhere else, he could have still done it. But think about Ocho. He's averaged probably, look at that. He averaged 30, 29 last year.

Right. 28, 29 last year, 30 the year before. They ain't win no titles. I have a question. I have a question. This is something I don't have in front of me.

He went to the Heat in 2011. Right? Yeah. I wish I had the rosters of the other teams to choose from that he could have gone to, and I guarantee you could pick at least five or six other teams he could have gone to, and they would have been in the finals with the opportunity to win a championship.

And he had an opportunity to get those MVP finals. I guarantee you. I just don't have the information in front of you right now. Off the top of my head. I think I can remember. I know Miami was one. He ended up going to Miami. I think the Knicks,

but talking to Rich Paul, Knicks were never really in play. And I think Chicago. Oh yes. Yes. And I'm not, I'm not sure. I'm not sure the rosters,

but yes. Well, you had at the time you had D. Rose you had Yoakim Noah you had you had Tom Gibson cause that year he won the MVP over LeBron come on man so you mean

to tell me Jimmy Butler oh championship championship MVP and a ring with the Bulls that year. Yes. Come on now.

But. There's no but about it. That's an MVP, championship. Trust me. And it's not even a hypothetical. I put, I put my life savings on that.

If it was to happen, I wish, I wish we could rewind time. We can't though. We can't. Prime D, Prime D road, Jimmy Butler, Joe Kim Noah, we can. Prime D, Prime D, Jimmy Butler,

Joe Kim, Noah, and LeBron. And you mean to tell me that I wouldn't know Chip? We never know. Have we seen? We do know. We've seen,

Ocho, we've seen things happen. Just because you have the most talent, you've seen teams. Look. Look at the Patriots. Patriots had the most talent. You remember in 2007 look. Look at the Patriots. Patriots had the most talent.

You remember in 2007? And the little old Giants barely made the playoffs. Got them. I mean, who would have thought the Dallas Mavericks would have beaten the Miami Heat? Who would have thought the Detroit Pistons would have taken down

Shaq and Kobe? Oh, yeah. Think about that now. Hey, them boys, that was Ben Wallace and them boys, huh? Ben, Shee, Rhea, Chance, Tayshaun. They were playing some defense, boy. And see, Ocho, that's what I say. You don't know. Right.

Let's deal. The only thing I can say for certain, looking at LeBron James' career, is that pencil him in for 27-7-7. Write it in the book. And I'm writing it in non-erasable ink. You can't erase it. That's what I know.

But championships are a lot harder to come by. People keep talking about Jordan was six for six. Jordan played 15 years. So the other nine years, he didn't get there. Right. You're right. years, he didn't get there. Right. You're right. Well, I have a question. Since we're on the topic of basketball,

on something that I need to gain a little bit more knowledge about. Okay. What do the Lakers need? Outside of Anthony Davis staying healthy, they need one more. One more star. They got to hit some shots. It's the first time, I think,

in NBA history through the first eight games they've made less field goals from the three and shot a worse percentage. In NBA history. It's still early, though. They instituted the three-point line in 1979.

That was a year after you was born. That's when the three-point line line Chris Ford made the very first three point shot. So think about that. Go back all the way back. They've been outscored by 74 points in the first quarter, which is the most in NBA history through this amount of games.

Wait, outscored by how much? 74. Hey, man, we got to go to a Laker game, man. How much course size seats? Ocho, before I get to that, we just hit a quarter of a mil. Thank you.

Thank you. We got to get the guy, whoever the person was, that was our 250,000 subscriber. He got to get the guy that whoever the person was that was our 250,000 subscriber. He got to get a special something. So we're going to find out who our 250,000. We got a quarter of a million. 250,000?

Yeah. Now the goal is to try to get us a half a million. We got to get a half a million by the end of the year. You know what we should do? Whoever the 250,000 person is, we should get them 250,000. 250,000 what? Pennies? No, $250,000 person is, we should get them 250,000. 250,000 what? Pennies? No,

250,000 dollars. You, we go half and half. No, we're not going to go half and half. I think that's what we should do. And every time, every time we hit,

when we hit 500,000, we should go half and half. Give whoever the 500 subscribers is. That's something you and the volume can work out. No, I'm talking about this between me and you. This,

this, this me and you, we doing this. I ain't got it like that. I ain't got it like that. You do. You flying private. You got your little

Goyard bag. You got your little doll. You got your little $10,000 doll. I better go half on a little mini-me with somebody, but that's all I can go

half on right now, Hocho. Mini-me? Who's pregnant? I ain't nobody pregnant. Honestly, that's the only thing I'll be able to go half on. Oh, I see what you're saying. That's the only thing I'll go half on. Okay, okay, many. Who's pregnant? I don't know. I ain't nobody pregnant. I just don't think I'll be able to go half on. Oh, I see what you're saying.

I don't know if I'll go half on. Okay, okay, okay. No, but I'm just saying that would be dope. Hey, look, that's never been done before, man. Think about it. Let's sleep on that, man. Think about it. Every time we hit a certain milestone, we should get...

You tell me to sleep on that, I might not wake up, Ocho. We got to make it fun and exciting for the people, man. Can you imagine? Whoever the 500,000 subscriber is, they get 500 grand. You give them 250, I give them 250. I ain't got it like that, Ocho. Thank you for clicking, subscribing to Nightcap. Please, please, our goal now is to get to a half a million

by the end of the year. That's our goal. That's our goal. And we, like, every, but every milestone, every time we, okay, we hit a quarter of a million, we're going to find out

who the quarter of a million subscribers is. And so throughout, and it's just not going to be at milestones 300, 350, 400, but periodically, some random subscriber is going to get a, you know, we're going to send something in your direction to show the amount of our appreciation.

It's going to be money. It might be money. It might be a signed helmet. It might be a signed jersey. It might be tickets to a game. No, Unc, in this economy, people need money. We're going to send you some money. Ocho, I want you to stop talking.

We're sorry. What happened to the... They done sold out, LaPorte. Oh, man. What happened? LaPorte sold out, Ocho. Already? Already.

But I think, hey, that thing good. I'm telling you, man. I'm telling you. What's that, cognac? That's my cognac, yeah. See, man, I don't you, man. I'm telling you. What's that, cognac? That's my cognac, yeah. See, man, I don't drink, man. I don't drink alcohol. I'm going to get you a, I tell you what, real, real, I mean, you got home, boy.

Let them taste it. Get them whatever your top cognac is. What ours is, it's a BSOP. BSOP means very special opal. And test it for yourself. I mean, don't take my word for it. Because if you're like, oh, man, it's your product. Of course you're going to say it.

My homeboy. Oh, that's your homeboy. Test it for yourself. All right. I'm going to get that thing in my homeboy. We're going to get it back in stock. We're going to be back up. We're going to be back up and running.

Give us a, tomorrow's what? Friday? Tomorrow's Friday. I'm going to get on it. We're going to be back up and running. Give us a... Tomorrow's what? Friday? Tomorrow's Friday. I'm going to get on. We're going to be back up and running again. So hold your horses. Thank you everybody that clicked that link. Click the link and bought a purchase to bottle of Laporte. Thank you so much. We're going to move

along, Ocho. Thank you for clicking and subscribing to Unc and Ocho. Nightcap, 250,000 followers. Thank you very much. Ryan Tannehill. Wouldn't help Malik Willis, but had no problem helping Will Levis. This is what he said. He said, Tannehill on Will, but it's a situation that I'm in.

I have to walk through it. Will has done some good things, obviously. He came in, played well, and I'm going to be here and answer any questions he might have and help him out along the way. This is what Tanny Hill said when the Titans drafted Malik Willis. I don't think it's my job to mentor him. I'm just trying to figure what happened in the year. Right.

You didn't want to mentor Malik Willis, but you got no problem answering any questions that Will Levers may or may not have. Well, I think obviously when you draft a quarterback, you know he's coming after your job. I think Brett Favre said the same thing about Aaron Rodgers, if I'm not mistaken, something similar to that. It wasn't his job to mentor him.

And that's a hurtful thing, knowing that a quarterback is coming in to take your job. I think now a hurtful thing, knowing that a quarterback is coming in to take your job. I think now, at this point... You believe in your ability? Oh, yeah. Me? Oh, yeah, yeah. I believe in mine.

I ain't worried about it. But I ain't worried about it. But you know they're trying... Why they take the quarterback? Because they're trying to get him out of there. They're trying to get him out of there. You know that. Ask yourself.

If you notice, they wasn't drafting. What's the likelihood you think they draft another receiver in the first round as long as Chase there? Ain't happening. It ain't happening.

So, Ryan Tannehill should be mad. For me, this is the way I approached it, Ocho. I was so secure in my job. I'm going to tell you. See, I talked to guys and every guy that backed up me went to the Pro Bowl. Todd Heat, when I was in Baltimore, I'm going to tell you. See, I talked to guys, and every guy that backed up me went to the Pro Bowl. Todd Heat, when I was

in Baltimore, I left, he went to the Pro Bowl. Dwayne Carswell and Byron Chamberlain, when I left, Carswell went to the Pro Bowl for the Broncos, Chamberlain went to the Pro Bowl for the Vikings. But we had that relationship. I know they couldn't get my job. I was secure. But

I needed them, if something happened to me, I needed them to know, damn, even though they didn't get my job i was secure but i needed them if something happened to me i needed them to know damn near even though they didn't have the physical abilities that i had i needed them to know the team couldn't miss a beat how selfish am i gonna be to withhold anything that could help them because people help me i remember being in training camp and having a guy tell me the wrong route and I said, if I ever got in that situation, I would never do that to a player. Wait, somebody told you the wrong route? Yeah.

As a joke? No. Bro, it's cutthroat. We're both low-round picks. He's trying to make the team. I'm trying to make the team. Okay. Oh, he on that. Oh, he on that. And I said, I just swore. I said, Lord, if I'm fortunate enough to ever make it, I'm going to tell a lot of guys,

I see guys coming in the huddle and I can tell you can tell when a guy coming to huddle, he don't know what the hell he got to do. I said, man, you, you got to come back. So, and so, yeah, you hot now. Hey, you hot. Make sure you, Hey, Hey, you got this route, but if it's covered too, you got to release outside release outside and run the fade so Ocho you know when a guy

coming in he don't know what the hell he doing so before and the thing that I like they were patient with me

Ocho man I ain't know nothing let me tell you I'm gonna tell you a true story Ocho Dan Reeve used to send the plays and he have a player you know

I run a play, I'll come back out. Next play, he send me in with the play. So, I'm tired now. I don't got tired. You know, when you get tired, Ocho, you know, fatigue will make cowards up a song. Yeah. Dan got his hand on my shoulder. He said,

tell me the play. I run in the ball game. I breathe in. John, look at me. John said, what's the play? I said, I forgot. I'm out. I did, Ojo. I'm sorry. Ojo, I want to go. How you forgot to play from the sideline to the huddle? I forgot. You know,

I'm running up. John, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I get in the huddle. I'm down. I'm down. Look at the John. John, look at me. He's like, T, what's the play? I'm like, oh, shit. I forgot. I did, man. I forgot.

Man. I didn't want to look over there, Dan, because I already know he was cursing. Yeah, he was hot. I knew he was hot, man. You done made a man waste of time out, man. He wasted time out, man. He wasted time. But, but, but what, so what, what do you think happened between last year and says, I don't think it's my job to mentor Malik Willis.

And this year where he says, Hey, I'm here to answer any questions and help him out along the way. I think he was, he was over it. He was over it. Obviously they drafted Malik Willis and he's like, okay, I'm going to beat this kid out and I'm not going to help him. And then they drafted a quarterback the following year again. And probably Tannehill's like,

well, God damn, they must not really like me. So I might as well get to helping and helping develop these, you know, the quarterback that they have at the helm now, because they trying to find a way to get me up out of here. I mean,

the writing is on the wall. Well, he dragged that quarterback one year. I mean, I liked Tannehill. I don't have a problem with it me up out of here. I mean, the writing is on the wall. You draft one quarterback one year. I mean, I like Tannehill. I don't have a problem with it. He's not in the elite category, but he's an efficient quarterback if you got receivers to throw to him. I mean, he's good.

Think about what you're saying. You had Derrick Henry at his absolute apex, and Derrick Henry is still running the ball, and that's all the fight you can go? So think about what you're throwing again. Think about you had A.J. Brown. Think about you had A.J. Brown. Think about you had A.J. Brown. And he was balling that.

He was balling. Him and A.J. had a nice little white guy. Look at A.J. with Jalen Hurts. And look at A.J. with Tanny Hill. And when you got Derrick Henry, what cover do you think you're throwing against if you got Derrick Henry in your backfield? Single high.

Nine in the box. Exactly. Nine in the box. You got single high. Ain't no disguise. Ain't no nothing. You got single high. They better drop that safety down in the box. Exactly. Nine in the box. You got single high. Ain't no disguise. Ain't no nothing. You got single high. They better drop that safety down in the box.

Yeah, you know, the makeup, you can't really compare. The makeup of the Titans offense and the makeup of the Eagles offense is completely different. Completely different. And I think, you know, over there in Tennessee, you know it was run first. But the Eagles, nigga, they throwing that bitch two million times a game. But that wasn't how it was until they got who?

They got A.J. Yeah. So now you got A.J., you run, because remember they had Devontae. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So now, okay, put nine in the box to try to stop this run and see what we do for it. Because now you got A.J. on one side,

you double A.J., you got Devontae working single coverage. He going to kill you, yeah. And you got Zacharias. And you had Dallas Goddard, he broke his forearm, he's going to miss about a month. But you see, I just don't,

I never understood guys being that selfish that they don't want to help the player because of him. Are you that insecure? Yeah, you got, you a dude, a man, somebody coming in

to take your job, man. You took somebody's job? Somebody is literally coming in. You took somebody's job? How the hell do you think you got on the field? I ain't take nobody's job.

Yeah, you did. There was receivers there. So the Cincinnati Bengals had no receivers before they drafted Ocho Cinco. No, see, this is what you don't even know. Let me tell you,

this is a quick story, funny story. Like, real quick story. I came out of college as a DB. I was a db okay tell the story i want you to tell the story about the wide receiver so the bingos had no wide receivers prior to you coming yeah they had some good ones darnay scott ron dugans uh the the greatest collegiate receiver of all time peter ward they was there and I think Darnay was on the back end so once Darnay left then I

filled in the role at the X okay so you took somebody's job I mean he was done playing I wouldn't say really taking somebody's job you know once receivers hit year 10 you know that's like kind of like the okay we go move on but here's the thing O Ocho. The thing was

if Darnay Scott was still, Darnay Scott could still do it, they wouldn't have moved on. Hey, he was nice, boy. He was nice. Remember Darnay Scott? I do. But for me, Ocho, I just looked at it like, hey, I took somebody's job. Let me get them ready. Because at the end of the day, I just looked at it like, hey, I took somebody's job. Let me get them ready. Because at the end of the day, I wanted to be a great teammate. I wanted guys that's like, man, I really enjoy playing sharp. And I always told the guys, every time I left, I said,

hopefully you enjoyed me as much as I enjoyed you. Right. Everybody different though, huh? They are. Everybody different. The NFL is a business, man. The NFL is a business. And every time somebody come in that locker room, every time

somebody get drafted, they are coming to take your job. You're not there to make no goddamn friends. You got miles to feed. You got a family to feed. You got bills to pay. He can't get it. Everybody don't have your mentality, though. I told, I told, I told, I taught, I did the best

bad job I best I could. I tried to help Todd heat recoverages, have him understand when guys playing this leverage, just what he's trying to do, you don't let him blah, blah, blah, X, Y, Z. But Ozzie knew in order for them to maximize Todd, I had to go. And I was cool with that.

When he called me, he said, hey, boy, what you want to do? I said, you tell me what you think I should do. He said, bro, you went to the Pro Bowl. He said, you led all tight ends and catches. Hell said, you tell me what you think I should do. He said, bro, you went to the Pro Bowl. He said, you led all tight ends and catches. Hell yeah, you can still play. But we did take Todd

in the first round to do what you got to do. With no hard feelings. I said, hey, I said, hey, I said, bro, thank you for the opportunity to show that I just wasn't

a Mike Shanahan, Johnny Owe guy. I said, thank you for the opportunity. Right. I went back to Denver. I was cool with that. That business cutthroat, ain't it? Yeah.

Ocho. Ocho. What Baltimore did was made sure that I never had to work another day in my life. I'm going to be mad about that. Yeah. I like that. I got three small kids. Now I can take the money, my signing bonus.

Okay, y'all got to college. Y'all colleges, whatever college you want to go to. Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Georgia Tech, straight. Right. Everything. Hey, Sheldon ain't got enough. The moment, hey, Sheldon can kick his heels up if I want to work. And that's what I tell people.

I work because I want to, not because I have to. There's a difference between the two. There's levels to this pitch. Right, right. Talk your shit, huh? Talk your shit now. That's how I was. I was going to never be mad at Ozzy.

They gave me an opportunity. And people looked at me totally different. They're like, oh, okay, he can still play. Went back to Denver, had two great years. CBS gave me an opportunity. But that's just the way I am Ocho if somebody need help hey guys come on hey man I want to do that I get guys all the time man I want to start a podcast this is what you need to do xyz blah blah blah or when they came

when I was at Undisputed the guys would come on say man I kind of want to get into this I say well you need to start doing it now I say the mistake that a lot of people made, Ocho. They wait till after. They wait till the last year. No, do that early. If one of these networks want you to come on your bye week, hey, I'm there. You got to get on there. Hey, if they want you to do,

hey, they call you and say, hey, we want to talk to you about this. Right. Hop on. Yeah, you got to plant the seeds. That's all it is. All you got to do is plant the seeds. Ocho, I know you.

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with 10, 20, 30, 40%. I don't like that. Oh, why not? I don't like that. Because who are you tipping? Who is the money going to? Like if I'm not actually handing the money over to someone

nah walmart they got they got money they got money they got they got money i'm not tipping the machine now if there's a there's a worker there or somebody helping bag bag stuff up yeah then i'll tip but i'm not tipping no goddamn machine when i get takeout i don't tip nobody that all you did is ring my order up now if you if you bring delivery, okay, yeah, I'll tip you. But if all you did was like, okay, that's $24.95, you ain't get no tip for that. You ain't in the back cooking.

You don't tip? No. But we got to work on that, man. We got to work on that. I tip the server. When you come work on that, man. We got to work on that. I tip the server. When you come wait on me, and like I said, we went to,

we was in Savannah. We had a great server. She was like, ask that, you need more Diet Coke? She asked Jordan, you need more water? Hey,

she had no idea who I was until they told her as we were getting ready to leave. So she had no idea. Would you like some ginger ale, sir? So she was very respectful and everything. So at the end, I gave her, I her i said we just take care of the bill she smiles you like i think this will cover it how much how much you tip them yeah i tell you what i think she seemed

she seemed extremely happy right guys yeah she was very happy. Ocho, speaking of tipping, you posted something today. I told you, you made me mad. You made me mad last week. I don't know what I do. Because you made me mad. You told me why you always tipping, why you always posting it.

You doing it for you. And I told you last week when I was on the show, you know what, just for that, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go somewhere this weekend and I'm going to tip $5,000 and I'm going to write a letter.

I'm going to write a note. I wrote a little note on the bottom just for you. It's going to make Uncle Shannon mad. And guess what? Now you mad. You mad? Uh-uh.

Animals get mad. Animals get mad. Humans get upset. Are you upset? Nope. Nope. And you made fun of me because you was getting on your private jet

and making fun of me you saw that Ocho I didn't even know you saw that I didn't know you saw that I didn't know Joy how did Joy capture that you tagged me how I'm not going to say you tagged me talking about you getting on your private jet you got your Goyard bag where was your dog at where the dog was

at oh you saw that ojo so that's time so when i tell you that's like playing t-tag i told you you bet that makes you get up yeah yeah yeah you know i know how that works i'm new to social media i ask all i asked you was can i go on the private jet just one time one time why One time. Why are you stunting on me? Why are you stunting on me? You supposed to be elevating me and bringing me up and you bringing me down. You know how I'd be able to

afford a private jet? All that tip money I save. I'm just saying. Hey, do you tip the flight attendant? Yeah. You're supposed to, right? Look, I do. Look here.

I ain't got no problem. Nobody going to tell you O'Shea cheap. Right. They might say a lot of things. They might say a lot of things about me. Cheap ain't one of them. Right. Okay.

I like it. I like it. Because if you said, if you were a woman in my life and you said channel was cheap, you need to ask yourself why. Because the one thing I ain't is cheap. Talk your shit now. Talk your shit. I ain't going to say that.

Talk your shit. Matter of fact, speaking of women, you know what? I ain't going to bring that up. I ain't going to bring it up. I ain't going to bring it up. I ain't going to bring it up. Somebody, somebody listen. Oh, that is...

Who trying to go 12 round with a champ? I got the Hemingway belt. I'm going to tell you right now. I got the message right here. I got the message right here. This was I'm going to tell you,

I'm going to tell you right now. She sent a whole little, whole little information about you. Hold on. Where we at? Where we at? Where we at?

Where we at? Where we at? Oh, here we go. Right here. Here we go. She has a PhD. She is a multi-million dollar business owner. She loves to travel.

She loves to travel. She's funny. She's witty. And she asked for me to connect you guys. She has a big crush on you and she loves you. Now, I can get you the rest of the information. Rarely asleep. So she went to a business conference in Orlando.

General contracting conference. Also rail metal. Yeah. in Orlando. General Contracting Conference. Oh, so Real Metal. Yeah, and she's, this young lady is, she's the big, the boss boss. Why is she bossing? Yeah, she the boss boss.

So she was the head of everything. And I'm like, you sure? She want to holler at her? She said, yeah. She say she love, she love watching Nightcap and she would love to have

an opportunity to meet her. Say she'll fly to you and this is what she hit me with. She told Real. I fly to him private. I'm like, oh, she got it like that. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. Yes, sir. Has she been to church in the last year?

I don't think so. Now you got my attention. Now I got to sit up. You ain't been to church. That's what I'm looking for. She might be a sinner. What? She might be a sinner. What? She might be a sinner.

Hey, listen, if she ain't a sinner, she might choose to backslide every now and then. Okay. I'm going to sit down. Hey, wait, you got your phone on you? You got your phone next to you? No.

Hey, check this out. How long can you stay cuddled up with your spouse or girlfriend before you need space to go to sleep how long can i stay cuddled up i mean what i like there are different variations when we talk about cuddled up like am i am i the big spoon am i the? Is the AC on? Is it hot where we are? Do we have on clothes that we don't have on clothes? Is it before intercourse or is it after intercourse? Like there's so many

different variables that determines. How long does it take you to stay caught up with your spouse or significant other before you need space to go to sleep?

Well, I just told you. Okay. Maybe about 20 minutes. I got two to three. I got two to three minutes before we got to go to our respective corners. Two to three minutes? Yeah, that's it.

I'm going to start to sweat. How are you going to sweat if you got the AC on in the house? It doesn't matter. I generate, I got crazy body heat. Crazy. Yeah, I'm different. I like the huddle. I like the caressing.

I like the hold. I like to sleep and, you know, put in a chokehold and just be comfortable. Bring your mic a little closer to you. Blink your mouth. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, my bad, my bad. There you go. Now we got you.

Yeah, my bad. I like the hole and caressing. Yeah, two to three minutes. I got the feel. I got the feel of friction. I need you up on me. Two to three minutes. Nah, nah.

Nah, two to three minutes. Nah. Nah, two to three minutes. Nah, she can get two to three minutes. That's all she gonna get. I'm gonna give her. Nah, I ain't talking about no cuddling. I ain't talking about no cuddling. Stay with me, nah. I'm gonna give her two to three minutes and I ain't giving you no more than that

because I ain't got nothing to motherfucking prove. And if you think two to three minutes is too short I want you to get in the boxing ring and see how long three minutes is when somebody trying to beat your ass that's a long time that's a long time

and that's all you're going to get yeah yeah I'm two to three minutes Ocho because I'm going to generate so much body heat and that and everybody you know what

and you know ooh I'm going to hold you all night ooh girl I'm going to spoon you i ain't telling nobody that lie i got two to three minutes what about when you first meet somebody when you first meet somebody you always want to get for you that's all i got for you first of all in the first when the first 35 seconds my arm gonna be asleep if you lay into my arm now my arm oh so you got you a big girl i like i. I see what you're doing there.

It don't matter to the girl's life. No? No. Well, how your arm going to be asleep, man? You been in the gym for no reason. Yeah, she laying on it. What you in the gym for? What you mean what you in the gym for? I'm just saying. I mean, you got all them muscles and she laying your arm and it going to go to sleep?

Yes. Shoot. Rail lay on my arm all night. Like to go to sleep? Yes. Shoot. Real lay on my arm all night. Like seven hours and I'm good. She laying on bone. I know her head hurt. Real.

Real jaw so like, daddy. I said, baby, you punched me last night? She said, nah, you had your head on my shoulder. You see this? You see this framework? You see the framework, right? I do. Yeah. We had your head on my shoulder. You see this? You see this framework? You see the framework, right? I do. Yeah.

We're going to run a poll to see what the chat says. Because there ain't nobody cuddling for no 20 minutes. Ask them. I guarantee you. Women like men that like to cuddle. That's a fact. Women say that. And then they're like, oh, you hot. Get on your side.

Nah. What kind of ACU in they're like, ooh, you hot. Get on your side. Nah. What kind of AC unit you got? I got AC. My house stays 68 degrees year-round. 68? That's the problem right there. You got to put it on 64. Get your Whirlpool.

Man, nobody puts it on 68. No, Whirlpool. Whirlpool 3000. That's what I got. Look. Over 1,000 volts. Two to three minutes. That votes. Two to three minutes. That fast?

Two to three minutes is 51%. Two to three minutes. They lying. Two to three. They lying. No. See, a lot of people

just told you. It's like, ooh, girl. You know how fast three minutes is? Just cuddling? 20 minutes at 49%. Ain't nobody cuddling no 49%. Ain't nobody cuddling no 20 minutes. Told you.

See, people say a lot of stuff. You put on Netflix. Netflix, you put on a good movie. Get some food, some pop. Man, you put on a good movie. Ocho, look about this. I want you to see. I need you to stay with me. You going to stay with me?

How long can you stay cuddling up with your spouse or significant other before Ocho, look about this. I want you to see. I need you to stay with me. You going to stay with me? Yes, sir. I'm with you, baby. How long can you stay cuddled up with your spouse or significant other before you need space to go to sleep? You're not watching Netflix. You're going to sleep.

I'm still saying 20 minutes. Because, listen, that heat, it relaxes you. And if it's the right woman, if it's your woman, her being in your arms, it's like you. And if it's the right woman, if it's your woman, her being in your arms is like busy late. Well, hell, if she in my arms, she my woman. She about to blow somebody else's way, she be in my house.

But she my woman when she here. That ain't got shit to do with me. That ain't got nothing to do with me. Where she supposed to be, I'm saying where she actually is. Right. I'm just saying, something about a woman's touch or a man's touch with a woman it allows you to be at ease and sleep much better which is why I'm saying 20 minutes is not

far fetched for cuddling I sleep better when a 6 pound head ain't in my arms I don't know about you but a 6 pound a 6 pound head tends to keep me awake at night you gotta get comfortable man you to get comfortable, man.

You got to get comfortable. There are many positions. You know, I do this. Wait, hold on. Where the dog be at? The dog be in the bed too? Yeah, little one. But here's the thing though, Ocho. You know how somebody's head get

and you got to try to move your arm up out the way so you don't want to wake up. Yeah, I know you're talking about it. I know you're talking about it. Before you get to that point, I'm going to move on over here. I'm going to move on over here. But I need

space. And like I said, Ocho, I generate a crazy amount. I'm telling you, I'll be sweating. And if I'm not careful, I mean, I have to, like, change my sheets in the middle of the night because I sweat so much. God damn. Yeah. Look, Mr. Be Nasty. Well, y'all might be a match made in heaven.

You got to change your sheets. You got to change those sheets, man. I mean, well, we changed our sheets for different reasons, man. Let me start with you. Oh,

let me ask you a question. Obviously you've gone out on some dates. I mean, Hey, before you got real, you probably going out once a month, twice a month. Once a month?

I was going out every night. What? Oh, Lord. With a chick? Yeah. What? Listen, I had a roster, boy. Before Real came along, Real was in line.

She was like number, she was about 32, number 32. 32? Yeah, she worked her way up the line. She worked up the way. So you got some experience with this. What's the worst thing that a woman can do on a date?

Oh, can I be honest with you? I ain't going to sit and play with you. Now you know how I am about my money. You know how I am about my money. And when it comes to dealing with women that want to take advantage of you listen I'm not I'm looking for acid I'm not looking for liability so what I do on the first

date one of the worst things a woman could do is when the bill come I have a problem I always pull out a deck of uno cards I always pull out a deck of uno cards and I watch for the woman's reaction I watch for the woman's reaction to see if there's a problem. Like women,

women, listen, y'all have fought for equality for a very long time. Not only was convenient, but when it comes to paying bills, it shouldn't be a problem. So I love to play Uno on dates. I love to play Uno on dates and bet game best two out of three.

Yeah. Two out of three. Did I say that right? Two out of three. Yeah. Two out of three. And you know, whoever loses pays for dinner. And that's something that I always do on my first dates.

And most of the time it went over well. I'm not sure if it went over well because it was me at the time. Always have a great time. Always have enjoyable time. I'm a conversationalist. I can talk a lot on various topics and that's it. i think that's just i hate someone that always wants i i don't want to say the wrong thing let me let me just stop before i say the wrong thing i mean what what what irks you about something on a date i mean that's you i mean first me not not not willing to pay not willing to pay or not even, it's always, I think it's cool. It's cool for the guy to pay. You know, it's traditional.

But seeing a woman willing to fit the bill for the first time, it says a lot. It says a lot. I guess it's refreshing damn near almost because it's always seen one way. The guy does this, the guy does that. The guy does this, the guy does that. And it's always the guy, the guy, the guy. But to see a woman say, nah, I got it. That's one of the dopest feelings in the world.

I'm old fashioned. I'm going to grab the first one. I'm probably going to grab the first hundred of them if we go out that many times. That's just the way I do things. I'm go out that many times, um, that's just, that's just the way, that's just the way I do things. I'm cool with it. It ain't,

it ain't no big, I mean, I mean, I have, I had women to, to pay. Sure. Yeah.

I mean, but I mean, I mean, how much could a, can a burger and fries be, or a chicken sandwich and fries? I mean, I'm very simplistic in my,

in my, in my taste buds. Right. But, nah, you were obviously ordering lobster on the first day.

That ain't, you know. Because, hey, we'll come with lobsters. Yeah. Man, Ocho,

man, there's something wrong with you, Ocho, man. Ocho, man, what's going on?

You and T.O. was on IG Live talking about y'all 12-hour session. When did this happen? Man, I never... I was back... Probably in 99. That was in 99. First of all, you didn't know T.O. in 99. I didn't know T.O. since 98.

Yeah, we, we've been cool for a minute. We've been cool for a little minute, man. 12 hours? Yeah, man.

I, I was just, I was, I was a, I was a young whippersnapper back then, man. Boy, y'all were popping them skittles left and right,

huh? Nah, I don't, I don't do that. I don't take, I don't do none of that. I don't do that. I can't do that.

And you're going 12 hours? Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you know, I, I mean, I mean. I don't do that. I can't do that. And you'll go 12 hours? Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you know, I mean, I mean, people know. I'm not sure. Everybody knows.

You know, I used to, you know, I had an amateur porn career before I played football. So, yeah, I'm a little different. I'm a little different in that area. And if you look at my bio on Instagrams, if you look at my bio on Instagrams, yeah, if you look at my bio on Instagram, it tells you about my experience in that field, in that area. A lot of people don't know,

but, you know, it is. There's nothing to be proud about, though. Nothing to be proud of. But, you know, sometimes you got to do what you got to do, man, to survive. 12 hours, man. Yeah, man. survive hours man yeah man yeah man

back in the day that's old that's old I'm a new me I'm saved you know I got baptized it's wearing off a little bit

so I gotta redo it even at 17 even at 17 I don't think I got that kind of hours in me you do I didn't you

trust trust me you do matter of fact I ain't gonna lie to you, Yocho. I had Spadewood. I had two of the possible. That's all I had for you. Two of the possible.

It was a 24-hour Spade. Nothing but a Spade. That's all I got for you, Yocho. I'm sorry. Depending on who's in front of you, trust me, that two will turn into a four when a possible quick. All right.

All right. Trust me. Yeah, stay with me now. Stay with me. Got a lick of the promise, Ocho. Hit a lick today and promise I do more tomorrow that's all I got goodnight

I'm outta here Ocho ain't no sense in be lying to you Ocho y'all be lying ooh girl ooh oh oh I say no Ocho did you see this this influencer tattooed a boyfriend's name on a I'd say no. Oh, Joe, did you see this? This influencer tattooed a boyfriend's name on a... Oh, it's fake.

Okay, it's fake. It was? Yeah. Oh, I was saying it. Yeah, I saw it. Was it Dale? Something with a D. Dale, Dan?

It was Kevin. Kevin? Yeah. Oh, okay. I saw, I saw, I saw, I saw. I knew that one real. It wouldn't nobody actually go through with tattooing. Would you tattoo? You got real name tattooed on you?

Yeah. I got real whole mural of a face on my back. You ain't got no tattoos. Yeah. If you do, I can't see them. You can see it. You calling me black? Bye-bye. Bye-bye, Ocho. Bye-bye. No, I got 43 tattoos.

So one more ain't gonna hurt. You ain't got no tattoos. Let me see one on your arm. My whole body covered up. Some Dove soap will get that off. Matter of fact, you know what I'm going to get right here? What?

I'm going to get like an Uncle Ocho tattoo. I'm going to get an Uncle Ocho teardrop. Okay. You know what, Ocho? I'm the last of a dying breed. You got no tattoos? I got no tattoos, no earrings,

no facial hair. And I wanted to get a tattoo. Go get one, Coach. my sister found a book notebook everybody knows how i feel about my grandmother and she had wrote her name in the book and i was like libby what you think she said shannon that'll be great and then i called her back i said libby you know granny would be so upset she said shannon when you left i thought about it she would she would be so upset right i didn't do it damn because i know she i know her if i don't know anything she hated tattoos she said boy don't mark you she always used to always say boy

don't mark your body up right and i was like i I understand. That's the only reason. I wanted an earring. I remember all my friends in high school started getting, like middle school and like freshman in high school started getting earrings. And I was like, I asked my mom, I said, Mom, I want an earring. She said, when you get 18, you can get whatever you can get 10 of them.

Hell, I turned 18. I ain't want it no more. I wanted it then. I ain't want it when I was 18. I want it when I was 14. So I'm glad I didn't wanted no more I wanted it then I ain't I ain't wanted when I was 18 I wanted when I was 14 so I'm glad I'm glad I didn't you know my brother my brother don't have any tattoos don't have any earrings well he can't grow no he can't grow no he can't grow no hair on his head so I know he ain't got no facial hair but I got I got my ears pierced but I ain't got no earrings I mean obviously I got 40 44 45 45 tattoos now you know what I did, obviously I got 40, 44, 45, 45 tattoos now. You know what I did? I thought about getting me one of

them old Suge Knights. You remember one of them old Suge Knights? One of them old Cameron Garnett. Yeah, yeah. The thing you have to have on welder's mask to look at it. Yeah, that ain't your style though. That ain't my style? I wouldn't look good with that on show? It wouldn't look right.

I mean, it might look good to you, but I'm just telling you, for you and the way you carry yourself, that ain show? It wouldn't look right. I mean, it might look good to you, but I'm just telling you, for you and the way you carry yourself, that ain't you. That ain't you. What about I'll get me a tattoo? I'll get me a tattoo. There you go.

Get grandma my name. You should do that. You should treat her, matter of fact, Christmas, you should do that. Man, my grandma, my grandma come up out that grave to my boy.

Because you know, old people, old people really never called you by your name. They call you boy. They call you son. It wasn't a certain disrespect. That's just what they call you. Maybe with them boys. Hey, the boy that boy called, you know, that's my grandfather. He's already referred to as boy, boy, boy.

So, well, I guess they say this. It's facial hair. That's all I got. Yeah, that'll count. Y'all want me to shave it off? I've had it so long, it's like. It's a part of you.

It is. You know what I just thought about? We talk about grandmas. Hey. Ocho. They say tattoo for me and your son. There we go go There you go That's a good one

Man, I done gone 55 years Ain't got not one Ain't got one tattoo You can get one You can get one Ain't got to be that Put it on your ankle Ain't nobody going to see that

Put it on your ankle What dude you know Got an ankle tattoo? You don't want nobody to see it I'm just saying Put it on your ankle Just What dude you know got an ankle tattoo? You don't want nobody to see it. I'm just saying, put it on your ankle. Just the fact that you get it. If they get us to a million subs, you got to get a tattoo. If we get to a million subs before January, you got to get one.

I can't do that. You do. You can. I can't. You can. You know what I wanted to ask you? I just thought about you talking about your grandma. I just thought about you were talking about your grandma and I just thought about

my grandma and my mama right and I go visit them sometime do you ever I always think about how much all the times they said I love you I love you I love you

I love you and how they felt about me when they were here and like I'm like damn everybody passed away grandma passed away in 2018. My mama passed away in 2021.

We in 2023. And I'm still waiting on the sign, like some kind of sign, like talk to me. I go to the graveyard, I go to the grave site and I, and I show up playing my little gospel. All right,

ladies. Now I'm here now. Now you can talk to me. Give me some, I ain't going to tell nobody. I ain't going to tell nobody. I'm all right. I'm listening. now now you can talk to me give me something i ain't gonna tell nobody i ain't gonna tell nobody i'm all right i'm listening you know just yeah nothing and i still haven't gotten a sign do you think i hate to bring this up do you think there's life after death or it because i i'm trying to understand how can you love me so much and leave this earth and then not give me any

type of inclination? Yeah. Like no, like no, nothing. Um, none of that. And that,

that's bothered me for a while, especially my mama. I do come back and cuss me out or something. I mean, um, my sister is probably more spiritual than I am. And she said that granny has come to her. Uh, she hasn't. I mean, I think about it all the time, but I, I, is probably more spiritual than I am. And she said that granny has come to her.

She hasn't. I mean, I think about it all the time. But honestly, Ocho, in my 44 years, I don't think my grandmother ever told me she loved me. She showed me she loved me. Okay, okay, okay. And I remember the real last conversation I had with my grandmother. And it was, they was doing this special.

It was 2011, Mike Cliss, right? For the local Denver paper. And he was coming down because I was going into the Hall of Fame and then he was going to do a story. And so I was showing him all around and showed him to the, took him to the old house. I took him where, you know, the old schools were.

He met my coach, my high school coach, Coach Hall, the one that was on first take. And so my grandmother was in the nursing home at that time. And after we had been gone for like two hours, I come back and she's crying. So I'm going to the room and he coming up. I stop him. I do it like this. So I go sit on the bed

and she's crying uncontrollably. I remember like yesterday with Joe. And I said, Granny, what's wrong? And I knew something was wrong. She's just crying. I said, Granny, I got it.

I said, Libby, Spanky, Mama, I got them. You can go. Let go, Granny. I got them. Your baby going to hold it down so you don't have to worry no more. You and Papa did your job. Now go rest. Man, Ocho, this was

like, this was like on my birthday. Like, six days later. She tell Libby and Mama, y'all going home. I don't know where y'all staying. I want to go to sleep. This was like, because Libby normally stays till about 5, 36 o'clock,

eat, get a change, get everything, get her situated. Then she would leave. My sister went up there every day to the nurse home. Every day for two years,

every day. She said, why don't y'all go? My mom was up there at the time. She said, why don't y'all go on home? I mean, I can't get no rest

with y'all live here. They leave probably about 4.30. People call it 4.45. Miss Mary gone. She didn't want them to see her. But she couldn't go until her baby told her, I got it, Granny.

Once I told my Granny that I had it, that I got my brother, I got my sister, I got my mom, because that's all she was worried about. Right. She knew I was, she had, Hey,

I'm a baby. She, I was, I was built. She raised three the hard way. She raised her nine and gave my mom three, everything but life. She needed to hear me say it.

Great. I got it. So now I got it. So now, I held everything. My mom, I got it. My brother, bro, whatever you want to do, you ain't got to do nothing.

And people are like, well, what's your brother do? I say, he don't do nothing, but he don't do that before 12 o'clock because I got it. My sister, I got him. That's so, yeah, Ocho, I just, but see, people like you, you have to understand, like, the relationship, because I slept in the bed with my grandmother since I was 15. Even when my grandfather died, I didn't go sleep, I didn't sleep in the bed with my brother i slept with my granny right and i told her i said i'm gonna sleep with you and had my brother like i said i'm gonna sleep with you i'm gonna sleep in the bed with you granny till i get grown i said

i might get me a wife and we sleep in the bed with you together so but you're gonna get your rusty tail out of this bed right but the relationship and what she like what she instilled in me the values that's how that's why i think the way i think right like my sister my brother my mom i got everything my kids and i heard some i said uh i was talking to somebody i think you the other night and uh like my kids like like my daughter's going to get married. And I said, you know, my daughter's going to get married. She's probably going to head start on a house. My youngest daughter, she's going to probably want money to pay off those student loans.

And they said, well, why she got student loans? Because she's not going to drag her feet on my dime. Make her think she got to pay for them. And she'll get her ass up out of school I like that ain't no free ride now hey I'm gonna give you every opportunity I'm gonna give you every

tool that you need to succeed but I need to see you trying to get it because I'm not gonna hand it to you the handouts stopped when you were 18. That's when the handouts stopped. I want to see you work. I tell you if they need something,

okay. Okay, what happened? Why? Why do you need this money? Okay. But they know they, hey, we got responsibilities over here. Ain't no handout.

Show me, show me what you're doing. Hey, go to school. You stay out of trouble. Daddy got you, but I need to see you working towards something. Cause you know, I'm going to give my kids just enough so they can't do nothing. I like that. I like that. I mean, well, obviously, I would say I'm exactly the same with mine.

Mine aren't, don't really ask for much. Man, I saw that Christmas list you asked for. Oh, that just, yeah, that's Christmas, though. With that one child or that was all your kids wanted that that was just one oh hell no Ocho

man she gonna break her up Santa Claus no no no she ain't but they don't ask for nothing throughout the year huh it just be

throughout the year it just be small stuff you know here and there you know they be on their own little program but come Christmas time oh I'm going all out which is why

I don't when I get a list like that I don't even know what half the shit on there is I got some of that cologne that first one that first one I let you have it

in about 500 600 and so I let you have it for 250 275 what cost 500? that perfume that she got

at the top of that list wait how do you know about the perfume if you ain't got the woman? See, there you go. See how you worried about stuff? You see? Who you bought it from? Who you bought it from? Ain't nothing slow on shade

but it walk. That's the only thing he's know about on shade. Hey. Oh, man. Jolly. That's a big old list though, Ocho. Hey, that 15, man. That 15 glitching, man. Golly. That's a big old list, though, Ocho. Hey, that 15, man. That 15 glitching, bro.

So she might want to drop down to the 14. No, no, real talk. Tell her to read up on that 15. It's glitching. It's bad? Yeah, bad. All of them was just one. Maybe it's one batch.

One batch of them. You read up on. Go in the chat and read up on the 15. Okay. I still got my iPhone. What the chat and read up on the 15. Okay. I still got my iPhone. What's this? I still got the iPhone 10. The iPhone you got got one eye. So that might be the iPhone 1. Nah, it's the 10. I got the iPhone 10.

Man, that shit's expensive, man. I ain't mad with that shit. T-E-N. No, T-E-N. Man, that's other big one, Ocho, when I saw that list, I said, well,

damn, all these kids and like, no, one daughter won't know. I said, oh my God. Yeah.

Yeah. That's, that's my, that's my diva. That's my diva. And she's, uh, nah,

nah, nah. She's in college. She, she gonna, she gonna get every bit of it. You gonna get all that? Oh, yeah.

I mean, you gotta wait till you see the rest of their list. I'm paying you too much. That gotta cut your salary. Nah, I don't do that. Don't do that. Because if you do that, I got the...

I got the... You gonna hit rail up? Oh, what you gonna get rail? Hey, she sleep too. Matter of fact, I'm glad you just asked that. You gotta help me. I don't know what... What?

You said she got a Birkin though, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She got that crock one? I mean, what you got? She like jewelry? Man, she got... She don't wear jewelry. She don't wear no jewelry?

She don't got no necklace? She don't want no necklace? Man, I done bought her jewelry the last three Christmases. She ain't wear shit yet. I don't got no necklace? She don't want no necklace? Man, I done bought her jewelry the last three Christmases. She ain't wear shit yet. I mean, she wear it like here and there, but she ain't... She in the purses, ain't she?

She like the purses. Yeah, here, Blue Moon. Like, if it's time to go somewhere. She ain't flashy like that. What does she like? Hey, she posted a picture of a... Send me a picture of a... A car? What's it called? Yeah. Hey, she posted a picture of a, send me a picture of a car.

Yeah. But she's like, when I hit my, when I hit, she said a goal. She said, when I hit this goal, I'm going to get this. And so I'm like, but that'd be pointless. I just got your Maybach. I can't go get another car. So I don't even know what to do for Christmas. I'm just, I'm like, but that'd be pointless. I just got your Maybach. I can't go get another car. So I don't even know what to do for Christmas. I'm just, I'm dead serious. You got real a Maybach?

It pronounced my bot, but okay. You got real a Maybach? Come on, why are you so loud? Man, I see what? What happened? man I see what what happened man people see that's why people think I be cheap

why but you not cheap you buying real mailbox man she she is the breadwinner so it's okay

oh you you buying it with her money no I'm saying it was okay to do it because she's the breadwinner, so it's okay. Oh, you buying it with her money? No, I'm saying it was okay to do it because she's the breadwinner. It's like, boom, it don't look like I'm just leeching. Oh, man. Let me show you. I can shake something, too. Boom, here, check this out.

I might be leeching. I guess I'd have ate up all the bread because I ain't got no my box money. Yeah, you do. I ain't got no Maybach money, Ocho. Yeah, you do. If you can fly private, you can get your... Why you keep saying Maybach? It's Maybach. Actually, it's pronounced Maybach. Every time

I say a word... I'm just saying... Hold on, Ocho. The way the Germans, the engineers,cho the way the Germans the engineers and the way Mercedes they pronounce it Maybach

we ain't in Germany we in the USA Maybach I know Ross say Maybach music but it's a Maybach matter of fact and I'm not playing won't you get a second home another one okay she got the place in Tampa And I'm not playing. Won't you get a second home? Another one?

Yeah. Okay, she got the place in Tampa. You got the place in Miami. You know how to get out. Yeah, we building out here already. In Tampa? Not out here in Miami. Oh.

I said, you know, might get y'all like a condo in Jamaica or somewhere. Condo in Jamaica? What about the kids? What about them? You going to leave them here? I mean, sometimes that's just a getaway for y'all. Y'all just get away. Well, I just get a hotel.

I don't want no goddamn condo. How many times am I going to really be able to go to goddamn Jamaica? Think about it. I work too damn much. Well, you about to work more. I mean, so what are we going to do? What if they say, you know, what if somebody say,

well, Chana, we want you and Ocho to do a five-day-a-week show. Then what are we going to say? What are you going to say? Yeah, we're going to be working five days a week. That's why I don't need no goddamn condo in Jamaica. Shit, For what? Rel, I don't know Rel

gonna want you to work five days a week on show. What? This money come first. I don't play that. I don't play that. This money come first, boy. Love don't pay the bills.

What? Yeah. Don't do that. Listen, i mess around and lose your ability to provide and watch what happened oh watch me walk out that door i ain't no fool yeah yeah lose your bit fellas if you listen lose your ability to provide and watch what happened huh you think it's sweet if you want to. Yeah, she love you, huh? Hey, hey, hey. All right.

Yeah. Hey, speaking of Maybach music, you know, Rostam album dropped tonight. Him and Meek Mill. Oh, did it? Yeah, and I'm co-executive producer

on two songs. I just had to throw that out there just so people... Are you A&R? You the A&R guy on there? No, I'm serious. Are you executive producer? Two songs,

I'm executive producer. So I get credits. I'm just trying to diversify my portfolio. That's awesome there, bro. Yeah, I appreciate serious. You're an executive producer? Two songs. I'm an executive producer. So I get credits. I'm just trying to diversify my portfolio. That's awesome there, bro. Yeah, I appreciate it. Appreciate it. That was real nice. Hey, check this out.

I want to thank everybody that clicked that subscribe button. Make sure you click that like button also because we like positive feedback. Hey, if you got some negative comments, leave those too because, hey, all we're trying to do is get better and better. Yeah, we only been at this thing for like a little over two months but hey if we can improve in any way we love we love the uh uh to uh to improve let me know hold on i'm just looking at this thing this says ocho

and tj hushmanzada was both taken in the same draft peter ward was taken a year before in the fourth round and the fourth overall pick so y'all came in and took somebody's job. No, I didn't. P-Dub was on the other side. P-Dub was at the Z. I was at the X. All I know, how long did Peter Ward stay in

Cincinnati? I can't remember. I can't remember how many years, but he had a ACL. Was it ACL? I think it might have been ACL, and then he got the years, but he had a knee injury. ACL? Was it ACL? I think it might have been ACL. And then he got the surgery. Then he got infected. And it was never the same.

Yeah, man. Well, he was the real deal. Oh, my goodness. To be able to start, stop, and transition left. I don't think people understand. And when people talk about the greatest. You remember Ampley had that ability. You remember Ampley?

Yeah. Half-stepping. Half-stepping Ampley. Ampley starting to stop on your day. It's about the Florida State guy, man. That's starting to stop it, man. Peter Ward at Florida State. Yeah. The real deal.

And listen, I say it all the time. He is the greatest collegiate receiver I've ever seen. There have been some great ones. You know, Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson. What about Crabtree? Crabtree was good, but, man, Dove was different, man. That dude had back-to-back years, like 130 catches. Yeah, Crabtree was nice. He's the only guy to win back-to-back years, like 130 catches. Yeah, Crabtree was nice.

He's the only guy to win back-to-back blitzcups. Yeah, Crabtree was nice. But ain't nothing like Dubb, though. Like Dubb. I'm telling you, ain't nothing like Dubb. That was special. What's the final results of our poll? How long you can stay cuddled up?

At one point, we had 1,700 votes. Two to three minutes was winning. Not in a month. Check it. In stage. 1,700 votes. How many people we had in the live tonight, Ash? We had 11,000 in the

what you call them, the night. Okay. 11,000 I checked. I like it. I like it. I like it. Again, we want to thank you for joining joining us we really appreciate you clicking that subscribe button it really means a lot to us that in a little over two months

we have a quarter of a million subscribers that really means a lot that means that you really like our content you like the the chemistry that Ocho and I we have together we disagree we agree sometimes we disagree like the chemistry that Ocho and I, we have together. We disagree. We agree. Sometimes we disagree.

We agree to disagree. But at the end of the day, we're going to come back and give it to you again Sunday. We're going to come back and give it to you again Monday. We're going to come back and give it to you Thursday. And then they got a Black Friday game, so we might give it to you. We might give it to you Sunday, Monday, Thursday. No, yeah, the third. Yeah, there are three games on Thanksgiving, Ocho. Yeah.

And a Black Friday game. Hey, let me ask you this. You do Black Friday shopping? Oh, yeah. You know my cheap act. That's why I'm going to knock out most of the gifts on Black Friday. I ain't missing no goddamn sale. Well, hell, any Friday I go out is Black Friday.

Ain't nothing no goddamn sale. Well, hell, any Friday I go out is Black Friday. Ain't nothing special about that for me. But no, I can't deal with that. I can't deal. Man, there's too many people out there, Ocho. Early in the morning, you catch the stores. Everything opens up a little earlier. It closes a little later. I'm the first one in there.

I'm the first one in and the first one out. Guess what? My assistant, Shelly,'m the first one in there. I'm the first one in and the first one out. Guess what? My assistant, Shelly, is the first one on that computer ordering. Amazon, bring it right to the house. I ain't got to leave my house. I ain't got to worry about being no trample. I mean, people running there and fighting over

a TV or some doll or something. Go right there and get want a part of that? No, no, no, no, no. I ain't good with crowds, though, I ain't gonna lie. Yeah. Yeah, I blend right in

with everybody else. I be ready. I mean, you go, you know, man, women go, they go for one thing. It's like, see, when I go to the store,

I go to the store, they're like, how you going to come out so quick? Because I know what I was going for. I don't go to browse. I don't walk up and down the aisle like, oh, pick this up, put it back,

go grab something. No, I don't do that. I'm going to the store for a specific reason. I'm going to get that item or get those items and I'm leaving. Get out of there.

Yeah, that's why I always go by myself. Carl, the rule number one, you never go anywhere with a woman. Especially when it's time to shop. You never go, you never go. Ever, ever, ever, ever. You give her the money to go do what she needs to do or you go do it yourself.

Never go with them. I ain't going with you. I don't want to do nothing because y'all don't know how to go and come out y'all don't know how to go to the store and come out uh uh and I definitely ain't going to go wait on you

well just go hey just take me just wait in the car oh no my big girl mess around and left and had to call Uber for you

man you man I hate waiting I hate being in the car oh it's just going to be a minute I'm going to run in there and run out wait well see you talking like you know Ocho man I hate waiting I hate being in the car oh it's just gonna be a minute I'm gonna run in there and run out wait

well see you talking like you know from experience so how you even fell in that trap man you know Ocho you know early on you know you know

yeah I gotta show you know I gotta show I'm you know I'm willing to do you know my last almost cursed

my last you know he wouldn't do anything. I was like, okay, you know, I mean, it can't be that bad. I go, hey, I go to the store and let you go in there. I just need to go get one thing. Okay, one thing. Take me to CVS. How long she took?

Huh? How long she took? It took so long, I said, I'd never do it again. Okay, that sounds like about 30 minutes. Because 30 minutes in the car, that's a long time. No, 10 minutes in the car, a long time. And I'm calling. I come, like, damn, you ain't got it yet? It's a line.

I said, ain't no line. It's five cars, and it's five cars's a line i say ain't no lie if five cars it is five cars in the parking lot ain't no damn line and then she come out there well this here this right here you know i had to get some of this i was running low on this i said see that see that's what i'm talking about now you say you's coming to get one thing and you got me crying and don't and and and and don't and don't send me for no female product because I'm not going to get them. Nah. Never that.

Don't send me on no CVS run. Don't send me to Walgreens. Don't send me for no Plan B. None of that. Do you let people check your bags when you travel? Yeah. Just take one bag.

I take one bag and obviously the laptop I'm using now, I travel? Yeah, I just take one bag. One bag. I take one bag, and obviously the laptop I'm using now, I take my mic, I take my little mic, my little Logitech camera, and my little wires, and that's it. So you check bags? No. Oh, you do? Yeah.

Just a little carry-on and a little duffel. I mean, for me, I mean, when I travel, I'm not really going anywhere for more than three days. So it's carry-on for me. It's carry-on for me, I mean, when I travel, I'm not really going anywhere for more than three days. So it's carry on for me. It's carry on for me also. So I know I can't. I can't remember last. I'm trying to think the last time we checked the bag.

Super Bowl. I haven't checked the bag in so long unless even if I have gone for more than three days, I got a problem. You know, I recycle the same outfit and just have and change my underwear, my socks, and take a shower and change my undergarments and wear the same thing. If I'm going somewhere for three days, I wear the same goddamn outfit three days in a row

and don't even care. Yeah, most of the time, if I'm going somewhere, my sister's going with me, she's going to take my bag. She'll normally go before me and she'll take it because I hate checking. I hate going down there waiting. So, she'll handle all that. So, I'm team carry on.

And if you with me and you check a bag, well, you better get over. You getting left? Oh, absolutely. Oh, absolutely. I am not waiting. I am not waiting. No way. Hey, hey, hey, man.

Okay. You better check with Uber, see what... Or Lyft or whoever else is going that way. Because I'm not waiting. Hell nah. I don't do that on show. That's messed up. What, you waiting?

Nah. I'm traveling by myself anyway. So I ain't never had that problem. I am traveling by myself. Unless it's with me and all the kids. That's the only time we checking bags. That's it. Oh yeah.

I mean, I hadn't traveled with the kids. Man, I hadn't traveled with the kids in so long. Yeah. But they be slow. They be walking around. You got to do that, man. Y'all got to, y'all got to. That's the best thing, man.

All us walking through the mall, walking through the airport. Like it's like 11 thing man all us walking through the walking through the mall walking through the airport like it's like 11, 12 of us and that should be feel like a entourage I ain't

no no no no too many people too many too many no no we need that hook up we go out to eat

together yeah we got I mean no y'all go ahead and go daddy you wanna nah here y'all go daddy don go daddy you wanna nah here y'all go

daddy don't wanna go y'all handle that you gotta take them on a nice little trip man you know right there down the street where you in LA so okay you in LA so Hawaii I be here you know who know

who know before long I might be booed up then they can't go with long I might be booed up. With who? And they can't go with me when I'm booed up. Because I might be walking around bucking naked. You got somebody. You got someone. Oh, so now you ready to go to the Naked Beach I was telling you about?

No, I ain't going to the Naked Beach. I'm talking about the Naked Beach or like the hotel. I mean, you know, I'm going to get me one of them old. One of them old. What's that place? The Maldives. You know what? Have the little private villas. Yeah, you know, I'm going to give me one of them old, one of them old, what's that place? The Maldives. You know, where they have

the little private villas? Yeah, you need to go there. I told you about that. Yeah, you got to go there. Yeah, I'm really big about that.

I told you you went for her birthday last year. Yeah, do that. You got to do that. But who you taking with you? Ain't no telling. Yeah,

I got something, I got something for you now. Remember the lady I just told you about earlier? Don't forget about her. Thank you. Hey, did you see that video with that girl twerking and the guy and his

girlfriend or wife? Oh, he was scared to look back? Yeah, you saw that? Yeah. For a second, I thought that was my ex right there, but she got me because she got body like that too, Ocho. For real? What? You because she got body like that too, Ocho. For real? What? You like them curvy like that?

And she could cook. For real? But you might want to go get that back, man. She was stacked up like that. Yeah. Stacked up like dirty laundry in the dorm room. You don't want to go get that back? Nah, I told you.

We good. Damn. We probably better friend. Damn. I don't like that. Because the way you got excited. I mean, look, look. You seem real happy, boy.

You seem real happy. I like this. You lit up. You lit up like goddamn Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. It was great. No, no, no. She was cool real happy. I liked it. I liked it. You lit up, you lit up like goddamn. No, no, no, she was, she was,

she was, she was cool. Yeah, it was cool. Okay. I messed it up. I own it. I'm cool with it.

I I'm cool. I've learned. I've learned, you know what? Oh, Joe, I used to be accountability. Oh,

I used to beat myself up and stuff would linger and linger and linger and i would carry bricks from a past relationship and build the same damn house in a new relationship so i had to learn to say shannon forgive yourself bro yeah you was wrong for what you did but you didn't kill nobody bro right that was the hardest thing for me to do because I hate letting people down. I hate, you know, I hate when people have faith and confidence in me and to break that. Right. But human error is inevitable. You can't

wear yourself down too much now. Human error is inevitable. It took me a while, but I got over it. Okay. Okay. I mean, we cool. I ain't got no problem. She cool. I mean, somebody go, hey, somebody, whoever, mean, we cool. I ain't got no problem. She cool. I mean, somebody go, hey,

somebody, whoever married, she cool. She great. Can cook. It might be you. You never know. You never know.

Sometimes life is like a boomerang, baby. It's going to come back to you. Yeah, stay with me now. Yeah, all right. You say that now. She's going to watch this too she's gonna talk about why the hell you talking about me she might

she might I say they don't know they don't know I talk about you but you know I'm talking about you she might be watching that huh she might be watching that I don't know if she's watching now

but she has somebody one of her friends will get it to her but like I said when I first saw her I was like damn there's that cause she built

just like that too mmm hey buddy we're trying hard not to look back yeah yeah yeah but it's hard boy

if that was me and Real nigga Real Real would've said man boy turn around look at this look at that oh gee yeah

man you see all that oh boy she caked up ain't she baby yeah yeah when you got somebody comfortable like that you can share those those funny

those funny and entertaining moments with. It's the best. He was scared to look back. That was hilarious. Oh, yeah, he was. He looked at the jumper and said, good Lord have mercy. It's right here behind my head. All I got to do is do this.

And guess what? He could only see out of one eye because she was going to close the one closer to her. So I already know how that was going to end. I already know how that was going to end, Ocho. Nah. But you're right. It takes a special type of woman

to allow her man to see like, okay, baby, she's fine. She look good. She's nice. Yeah. And the funny thing is, it's funny, it's even better when you're with a woman that's very secure

and she notice it before you do and then tap you to look. Man, boy, turn around. Man, look at this. Look at this. Yeah, man. That's a beautiful thing. Yeah.

That's a beautiful thing. But you know, you know, 24, I say 2023 was going to be 23. 23 didn't start off good. The middle of the year, we've got a bad.

And the thing was, you know, my sister said, hey. I said, look at me. She said, Shannon, you're going to be okay. So, you know, she the boy. My sister is really, really into the church. I mean, and she prays all the time. And I think she's taking over the role of my grandmother of praying for me, even though I pray for myself and,

and, and, and prayers that I don't even know that God is listening to. He's hearing. So guys, please make sure you subscribe to the podcast. You guys are doing it. So great.

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a Tuesday or Wednesday, just because, for you guys. So, thanks for joining us tonight. I'm your favorite. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Where you going there? Now you know that's not how we end the show. Okay.

That's not how we end the show. Okay. You ready? Ready? Where you going now? Now, you know, that's not how we end the show. OK. That's not how we end the show. OK. You got to say. You ready? You got to make sure. I know you know this song. You got to know this song. You are very cultured.

You got to stay with me. You ready? I'm going to stay with you. I'm going to stay with you. Chat, make sure y'all sing too. And now the end is near. I thought you were singing gospel

songs. No, no. Stay with me now. You're going to know this. You're going to know it. I know who sang it. That's Sinatra. It's my way, but I don't know the words to my way. You don't? I don't. Damn. I don't want you to say gospel. I like you're gonna say you know like i'm pressing on um i'm pressing on yep hold on hold

on hold on hold on i'm pressing on i'm pressing on i'm trying to reach my heavenly home. I've got a few more tears that I've got to shed. A few more burdens I've got to bear. I've got a mother there, a father there, and I'm just trying to make it in, just trying to make it in. So I'm pressing on. I'm pressing on. I'm pressing on. I'm trying to reach my heavenly home. I've got a few more tears that I've got to shed. A few more burdens I've got to bear. I've got a mother there, a father there, and I'm just trying to make it in. I don't know that song. I don't know that song. Oh,

man. I can't believe you don't know the words to Sinatra, man. My way, man. I'm going to learn the words, and Sunday we're going to close out with my way. There we go. You ain't got to learn it. You just got to pull up the lyrics right now on your phone since you don't know the words and then

go from there. I'm going to sing it. I'm going to sing it with you on Sunday. I'm going to learn it and I'm going to sing it. And now the end is here. We got to save it. We got to save it for Sunday. Okay, we're going to save it.

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