Nightcap - Nightcap - Dolphins Blow Out Jets, Jerry Jones’ Wild Takes, Super Chat Q&A

Episode Date: November 25, 2023

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thank you thank you again for being so supportive and not only nightcap but shade by laporte let's get right into it ocho the dolphins go to the metal lands metal, go to Met Stadium, and beat the Jets 34-13. Tua, 21-30, 2-43, one touchdown, two picks, and a fumble. Tua now has five turnovers in his last two games. Three today, two against the Raiders. Reek, nine catches, a buckle,

two a touchdown. He now has 1,324 yards on the season with six games left. He needs to average 113 yards per game to set the record. What does he need to go over 2K? What does he need to average to go over 2K? Okay, to go over 2K. So he needs 676 yards to reach 2,000.

That's definitely possible. That's definitely possible because with him— He needs to have one of that big game, Ocho. He needs to have that 200-yard game. Game, He needs to have that two-minute-yard game. Game, yep. And he can cruise the rest of the way. He can cruise the rest of the way. Yep.

Javon Holland, the Jets get right back in this thing with a pick six of their own. Pick six, yep. And then look like they're driving, and then a Hail Mary, Javon Holland, picks a Hail Mary, a H-E-L-L Mary, and runs it back 99 yards. Another low point for the Jets

because not only did they miss the PAT after they got their pick six, now you turn around and get another interception and you turn around and give it right back to the Dolphins. So another low light for the Jets on Thanksgiving. Remember, Ocho, the butt fumble happened on Thanksgiving in 2012. Mark Sanchez, yeah. The Jets like, damn, damn, like Florida Evans, damn, damn, damn.

Just can't get right. And again, I have a question for you. Obviously, to me, you know, I've been in huge support of Zach Wilson, you know, ever since Aaron Rodgers went down. And understanding the makeup and the DNA of what Aaron Rodgers had to work with, it wasn't going to be that of what we thought it was. Just the simple fact that Aaron Rodgers is there with the Jets, we thought, oh my goodness, all problems will be fixed and, you know, we're going to make a Super Bowl run. But you understand the landscape of the team in general, the landscape of the offensive line, regards to who you put at the helm, regards to who you put back there, you know, to run,

it's just not going to be efficient. You know, we all, a lot of people, a lot of fans, I kept rooting for Zach for the simple fact that the reason is it's nothing for him to work with. It's nothing for him to work with. They have a great receiver and great receivers. They have really, really good receivers, especially Garrett Wilson and Alan Lazar.

But as far as everything else, in order for that offense to work, they have to have a foundation, a good foundation. It all starts up front. It all starts up front. So no matter who you put back there, these are the results you're going to get week in and week out, no matter who it is. I think the thing is, Ocho,

when you're dealing with a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers, he knows where to go with the football. So you're going to probably get better results. I'm not saying you're going to be undefeated. I'm not going to say you're going to have one or two wins because I give you a prime example. Look at the Kansas City Chiefs with Alex Smith. They're in the playoffs every year. They get Patrick Mahomes. They go to an entirely different level. So I'm not saying that the Jets are going to all of a sudden be, you know, have one loss, one, two losses. But I think the mindset

changes when you got a historically and a Pantheon great quarterback right in the center. Now, you no longer hope to win. You expect to win. Now you see that defense ball out longer and harder because they know every opportunity that they give Aaron Rodgers. He's probably going to cash it in or at least have a better situation than what they're showing right now. So I agree with you. It's not the cupboard. It's not bursting with talent. It's not. And you mentioned Alan Lazard. You do realize he was a healthy scratch

today, right? Yeah, yeah. He was out today. You think he was healthy? They said a healthy scratch. So tell the people at home that don't understand football lingo like you and I, what does healthy scratch mean? Now, this is a good one. This is a good one for me because, listen,

I played for a very long time, as did you, and this is the first time I've ever heard of actually a healthy scratch which means this must have been something internal that must have happened. Yeah, he's not playing well. That's what's internal. In 10 games, he has 20 catches, 290 yards, and a touchdown, and they're paying him $11 million a year. That's what's internal. That's what's going on. and a touchdown. And they're paying him $11 million a year. That's what's internal.

That's what's going on. Wait a minute. So I doubt he's a healthy scratch because of that. I'm just going by what the television said. I'm just going by what the report said. I don't think they know what they're talking about. I don't think they know what they're talking about. They definitely not going to use Lazard as no goddamn scapegoat.

I would hope they don't do that. I guess Alan Lazard is a healthy scratch versus the Dolphins. NFL.com says Al-Azhar is a healthy scratch against the Dolphins. At some point in time, you're going to run out of excuses for the receivers now. I'm not making no excuses. Wait a minute. First, the offensive line plays bad.

The quarterback plays bad. We passed that. We're talking about Al- Alan Lazard being a healthy scratch Don't go back to the offensive line So wait a minute In order for him To get the balls To be productive

What else does he need So why isn't Garrett Wilson a healthy scratch Why isn't Conklin a healthy scratch Who said that was the reason he's a healthy scratch NFL.com is reporting that Alan Lazard is a healthy scratch why is he healthy scratch is what I was asking I said something might have happened two catches a game and he's making 11 million dollars a year could that clear it up for you so so you blaming him for that? You blaming Lazard for the attempts that are coming his way? Who you blaming? Wait a minute.

You can't be serious right now. Who you blaming? Are you blaming Lazard for the opportunities that he's caught that have come his way? I'm asking you, why isn't Garrett Wilson a healthy scratch? We don't know why he's a healthy scratch. We don't know why Alan Lazard is a healthy scratch. We don't know. I said a healthy... We don't know why Al-Azhar is a healthy scratch. We don't know. I said it was something internal.

Something must have happened. Hold on. The 27-year-old struggles to create separation, has four drops. His 9.8 drop percentage is second worst among all receivers

with at least 30 targets. Let's try again. Now, go ahead. Take off. So, wait a minute. So, he's the only motherfucker? Excuse me. I didn't made a curse

god forgive me we're talking about him don't talk about everybody else we're deceivers we're talking about alan that is no reason for nobody to be a healthy scratch because i could bring up stats for everybody's robbing balls i can do the same thing okay but i'm just saying that's not a reason why he's a healthy scratch that makes no sense what you mean it doesn't make no sense what's up okay tell me what makes no sense you talk about oh it doesn't? That makes no sense. Okay, tell me what makes sense. Because it don't make no sense. You talk about, oh, he's a healthy scratcher because he dropped a goddamn ball. Who the fuck don't? He's not playing well, Ocho.

Why can't you accept that? It's a bunch of receivers not playing well. We're talking about him. They're not a healthy scratch. Ocho, Ocho. See, what you try to do is talk about, well, this guy dropped balls. We're not talking about everybody else. Let's deal with what we have.

It don't matter. What they're trying to do is find a goddamn excuse and trying to find a goddamn escape goal by making him healthy scraps. And it ain't for the motherfucking work. It ain't gonna work. It already worked. It already didn't work. They think they slick.

The way the business is running is some goddamn, it's a bunch of bullshit. First of all, it's a bunch of bullshit. Alan Lazard and Randall Cobb, Randall Cobb. I think he was active today, but he was inactive last two weeks. Yeah.

Randall Cobb and Lazard. Aaron Rogers, Aaron Rogers request. Yeah. They're making 15 million and they haven't gotten a production that they thought they were going to get. There've been other receivers that's playing with bad quarterbacks. That doesn't drop nine, 10% of the passes,

that has more than 20 catches in 10 games. So stop trying to – Are we talking about the same Jets offense that we've been seeing for the past 10 weeks? That same offense that can't throw a goddamn ball down the field or anything past five yards? That same Jets offense we talking about? Is that the Jets offense we talking about?

The one where we blame Zach Wilson for every goddamn thing and he running for his life every time he dropped back. That goddamn Jets offense? How do you expect the receivers to produce if they can't even get the goddamn ball off? The same Jets offense that you told me the last two weeks that Alan Lazar dropped two-meter passes. He got to make those plays and you know that he will

and if he gets another opportunity. What they doing? What they doing? They think they slick over there. I'm just based on what you say. They think they slick. They think they slick over there in New York trying to use him

at the skateboard. He's making the money he's making based on what he's been able to do. But now he's at a shit show and he can't produce like he should and now we're going to have him a healthy scratch and try to put the goddamn onus on him.

That's some fucking bullshit. So he's the only one that's playing with a poor quarterback and a poor offensive line that's not producing. Who else? Who else? I don't know. You tell me. Who else? You told me.

You're the one that's out here telling the puppy. Please, let's look at the landscape of the NFL. Go ahead. Take off. Who else is as bad as that? You're telling me. So I want you to name the players. That's your argument.

I didn't make that argument. No, I'm asking you the question. You see healthy scratch. I don't see nobody else. I'm not going to complete your test for you. Wait a minute. Listen to me now. Stay with me, baby.

It's 32 teams in the NFL. Yes. I ain't heard of a healthy scratch in I don't know how long. As long as I played, I never heard of having a healthy scratch because they weren't producing. Never heard of that ever before. Never. All of a sudden, oh, now he's not living up to his expectation.

He's a healthy scratch. I know what it sound like to me. I know what it sound like to me. You know what? What we gonna blame? What was it? Why didn't they make Zach Wilson a healthy scratch? Huh?

Why didn't they make the quarterback a healthy scratch? He's the number three. He's the number three. All three. He's the number three. All right. He's the number three. Trevor Seaman's the number two. Here we go. Here we go. Here we go. All right. Ocho. All right. But you want the people at home to believe that

in your 11, 12-year NFL career that you never heard of a healthy scratch that somebody that wasn't playing well? I'm just... Hold on, Ocho. Hold on. Wait. My mayor thinks... Hold on. Goddamn it. somebody that wasn't playing well i'm just hold on hold on wait my mayor thing fell out hold on god damn it my bad baby i'm coming hold on go ahead maybe just wallet because you damn sure we're listening all right there you go right there okay i got i got i got it i got it sorry sorry about that so you want the people that's listening to

us now or watching us now to believe in your 11 12 year career 13 13 13 year career yeah that you never heard of a player that wasn't playing the way the team thought he would should and be scratched from the ball game you've never heard of that absolutely not absolutely and i wouldn't sit here lie to you baby you know i wouldn't lie to you i know i play around a lot but you can see how passionate i am about this goddamn topic so you know i'm not playing around listen alan lazard cobb garrett wilson give you your best chance to win regards to what they have offensively i've received they give you your best chance to win regardless of what they have offensively at receiver. They give you your best chance to win. Shit is already bad.

So you take one of the best that have been very productive. Let me finish. That have been very productive throughout their career to this point. That was brought over at the request of Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers got hurt. So you mean to tell me one of the best that have been productive with Aaron Rodgers

all of a sudden comes over and he's not playing the part because the entire offense in itself ain't doing a goddamn thing, but he's a goddamn healthy part because the entire offense in itself ain't doing a goddamn thing, but he's a goddamn healthy scratch because he can't produce. Well, maybe they're not. Make that make motherfucking sense.

That's like me having a goddamn car and riding on goddamn faux donuts and I'm mad. I can't goddamn drive. It ain't driving like it should. It's the reason why. Alan Lazard is not Devontae Adams. Maybe his stats are a little bit more glorified because of Aaron Rodgers and so without Aaron Rodgers

it's not working have you thought about that did that thought ever cross your mind it's a simple yes or no no I don't I don't like where you're going with that because Devontae Adams listen Devontae Adams is Devontae Adams He has a different type of DNA about him Alan Lazard is Alan Lazard He's a completely different type of receiver Than the comparison that you just made And more reliant on great quarterback play

Than Devontae Adams is Thank you, you make my point Try please Alright, next up Next up Boy, you got me 38 hot boy i'm mad you just hello you mad at me you should be mad i'm not mad at you i just know you know the business and you know what the fuck they slick at trying to pull over there trying to have him a fucking healthy scratch knowing goddamn well my boy you you put Jerry Rice in that goddamn offense, he'll look just

like that too. That's how bad it is. Come on, man. You see what's going on over there? Do you see what's going on? We done watched the Jets for the past 10 goddamn weeks, and you think Al-Azhar has anything to do with the motherfucking issues

in that goddamn offense? That's bullshit. I just want you to understand that when you put your hands up like this here and say no disrespect, where the intent doesn't matter. I didn't say anything disrespectful, though. I didn't say anything disrespectful. But you said no disrespect.

I'm just trying to tell you, whether you intended it or not, when you say what you said, it's going to be disrespectful because intent only matters to you because you didn't intend it to be disrespectful because intent only matters to you because you didn't intend it to be disrespectful but the person that's receiving the criticism is going to feel just i didn't i didn't criticize nobody i just said as a whole in its entirety and we've

all watched it for the past 10 weeks and all i've done is done my due justice and due diligence in trying to get people to understand that are watching, there's a reason why number two isn't able to be efficient at what he does. It's because of more than just a goddamn Alan Lazard, more than just Garrett Wilson, more than goddamn Randall Cobb. It's more to it than just that. And you know that. You goddamn put goddamn Mother Teresa at goddamn quarterback, and she going to be pissed because she'll walk right off because they ain't nothing she going to be able to do either.

But you and I both know that there is situations that some receivers function better when they have a better quarterback. And I'm not. But the thing is, some receivers can elevate a quarterback play. Some record back an elevated receiver play. Would you agree with that state? I do. I do agree with that statement. I like where you're going with that. I love where you're going with that. Small case in the scenario. D-Hop, when he was with Houston, he had a merry-go-round.

A merry-go-round of quarterbacks. Yes. Do you see what he was able to do? Yes. Now, given the circumstances on what the Jets have to work with, i don't think there's any quarterback in the nfl playing right now that you can put and switch any any quarterback on any team and put them on the new york jets and the offense would be any better than what we've seen today

you don't think so now what do you think tell me what you think be honest be honest be honest with me be honest with the people that are watching if we put any other receiver uh in that offense i said i said any other quarterback leave the receiver that neither leave the receivers as be any other quarterback in this nfl and put him in that offense would would anything be any different be honest be honest with yourself now based on what you've seen the past 10 weeks. Oh, boy, you got me. I'm glad. I like this goddamn topic. Come on.

I do think, because here's the thing, Ocho. The mind is an unbelievable tool. Because I don't believe that when the offense takes the field, that they believe the guy that's under center gives them a great chance of winning. Oh, the offense. But listen, that has nothing to do with nothing. You have a job to do. You have a job to do. You have a plan. When you go out on that field as an offense,

it's an individual battle between you and the motherfucker in front of you. You can't be worried about what the goddamn quarterback got to do. Listen to me. A belief. You got to believe you can win every battle because if you were doing your job, then your quarterback would be able to... You just told me you couldn't win with those quarterbacks.

Let me finish. You just spent 10 minutes telling me you couldn't win with those quarterbacks. How you going to cut me off and I ain't finish? You talk about the offense go out there with no belief. What belief? You got a job to do. You got a job to do. As an offensive line, you got a job to do. When you line up, there's a face in front of you.

Your job is to block the face in front of you. And when you do your job individually, it makes the quarterback job easy to be able to get the ball to the goddamn receivers. No matter, ain't got nothing to do with no goddamn belief. So you believe in New England that the guys had the same belief and everybody else that played quarterback when Tom Brady was out for whatever reason as they had in Tom Brady.

Yes or no? We talk about a great offensive line. They had a great offensive line. They had a great offensive line. Why do you think they were able to go from Tom Brady to Matt Cassell and still make the playoffs? They had a great line. They didn't make the playoffs that year. They did not make the playoffs

that year. They went 10-6. They went 10 make the playoffs that year. They did not make the playoffs that year. They went 10 and 6. But they went 10 and 6? Yes. Yeah, they went 10 and 6. So I'm asking you a simple question, Ocho. So you believe that Kansas City, when Patrick Mahomes comes out and they put another quarterback in,

you believe they have the same belief in that quarterback as Patrick Mahomes? You believe it's Justin Herbert where to come? So you believe, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm going to give you one second. I'm going to give you something that's tangible for you. You believe it's Justin Herbert. So you believe. What do you mean believe? What is this belief in? I'm going to give you something that's tangible for you. So you believe that Jamar Chase and those receivers have the same belief in Jake Browning as they have in Joe Burrow. You're confusing me.

What does the belief have to do with anything? You have a job to do when you walk on the field. It doesn't mean anything. As a receiver, get the fuck open. If you don't have Joe Burrow, if I'm Jamar Chase, I don't care who at the helm. The X's and O's, when the play is called, I'm going to be open. That sounds good in theory.

That sounds good. I'll tell you how I operate. I don't care who at the helm. I got a job to do, and I'm going to go out there and do my job. They don't pay my belief to worry about who's that quarterback. They paying me to get the fuck up

and catch the ball and score a touchdown. That's what they pay you to do. They do that. They do that just because you're trying to get... So what's with all this belief? You got too much going on.

You got too much to worry about already. Why are you worried about who the fuck playing quarterback? That's too much. That's for the GM. That's for the head coach. That's for everybody else to worry about. That's for the GM. That's for the head coach.

That's for everybody else to worry about. I disagree. That's it. We're going to move along. Jerry Jones ranks this Thanksgiving win over the Commanders as one of the top Cowboy moments. He said, I don't know if I've had a better day like this. I'll include all of them. I'll put Super

Bowls in there. I don't know if I've ever had a better day with the and i'll include all of them i'll put superbowls in there i don't know if i've ever had a better day with the cowboys than today jerry what are you talking about jerry jones about five years ago says yes sir you don't know the size of check that i'll be willing to write to win one more superbowl he didn't say that about a regular season game ojo he didn't say you don't believe the size of a check that I would write to win a game against the Commanders on Thanksgiving, or I win a regular season game. He says, you don't believe the size of

the check that I'd be willing to write to win one more Super Bowl, because he's starting to come to grips with this mortality. He realizes that he has less time than more time on this earth. And for him to say that, why would he say that, Ocho? When you know that's not true.

Nobody that's won a Super Bowl would take a regular season win over a Super Bowl and say you feel just as joyous. I see more about Jerry. And if obviously be in the face and always want to be in front of the camera, I think he was more so in the moment. More so in the moment and really not thinking

about what happened in the past. More so just speaking just to be speaking. of the camera, I think he was more so in the moment. More so in the moment and really not thinking about what happened in the past. More so just speaking just to be speaking. That's what I call it. That's what I call living in the moment for the time being that you are in right now. If Jerry Jones wants to win the Super Bowl, he can put together a team to do so.

Right now, defensively, he's done a great job. There's no reason. Offensively, they are awesome. All they needed for Dak to be Dak the way he is in the regular season,

be the exact same way, be very efficient, don't turn the ball over, and get CeeDee Lamb involved. Get Gallup involved. Goddamn get Cooks involved in the goddamn postseason and they will be just fine.

The only issue is, just like the Dolphins, we haven't got, I think, we talked about the Dolphins already, right? Yeah. We can go back and talk to them if you want to like the Dolphins, we haven't got, I think we talked about the Dolphins already, right? Yeah, we can go back and talk to them if you want to. After we finish this, we'll go back and talk to the Dolphins.

Just two things. One thing about the Cowboys and the Dolphins, they are in somewhat very alike. Very alike. Offensively, the Dolphins, to me, much higher ceiling and much better. And that offense, very good as well. Obviously, them having a defense, I've given them the edge defensively over the Dolphins.

One thing that they haven't done this entirety of this season is they haven't beat a winning team or a team above 500. Neither of them. So at some point, that's when the rally sets in once you get to the postseason. That's it. That's all they got to do. But I'm trying to understand after Jerry. Jerry last won the Super Bowl in 95. So it's been almost three decades.

And you're saying a team like the Commanders, you've never felt. I mean, look, I've won some big games. But when you win the Super Bowl, Ocho, and you know that's the ultimate prize. Right, right, right. Even the second and third Super Bowls, which I won, didn't bring me the joy and the gratitude and the gratification that the first one. And you mean to tell me a regular season game? You've been as excited equally

to or more so than than a Super Bowl? That's the crescendo. Do you think maybe he said that to continue to get the headlines once again? To say something ridiculous like that? Because what's the first thing everybody going to be talking about?

Just to keep them still in the headlines. Yeah, that's exactly what that was. But when you have the Cowboys, you're going to get the headlines. Oh yeah, most definitely. Your fan base, they're loyal, they're devout. You generate the ratings. You are a cash cow yeah it goes without saying

you see think about it leonel messi doesn't say anything does he he he doesn't need to talk yes sir some people they don't need to talk it goes without saying right when you're when you're that entity you don't hear the google CEO talking. Now, Elon Musk is a different animal with Tesla, but you don't hear people from Google or Salesforce or Microsoft. You don't hear them talking. The business speaks for itself.

And I just don't get what Jared... I don't believe... I tell you what, this is what I do know. As much as the Cowboy fans love their Cowboys, I don't think any Cowboy that was alive during this time and understands what those Super Bowls meant in the 90s. I don't think that one fan believed Jerry. I don't think one fan believed him. I think at this point, as much as Jerry talks as many things as he says, whether you agree or disagree with him, those that are part of that Cowboy fan base, take it with a grain of salt. I think they take everything he says

with a grain of salt because they are worried and focused on production in the postseason and nothing else matters. Nothing else matters. Yes! Because when you've had as much success as Dak has had in the regular season, what's the next step? I mean, because you say, okay, it's incremental

steps and you have to, there's a process. You win, you lose. Okay, now we consistently win. And each year you like to think that we can progress a little further. And they haven't been able to get past that division around and even getting back to an NFC championship. So now that's the measuring stick for that.

If you want to be thought of in that little small group, let's say Joe Burrow has gone to two AFC championship games, got to a Super Bowl. Patrick Mahomes, we're not even talking about him because there hasn't been a year in which he's been a starter that he didn't make the AFC championship. In three of those five years, he found himself in the Super Bowl and he's won two Super Bowls. So we understand. But if you want to be thought of as those quarterbacks or those legendary, got to go further, Ocho. Because right now, what's the difference between him and Tony Romo? Tony Romo won division.

Tony Romo won, but he wasn't able to advance past the divisional round. And that's what the Cowboys, when you look at Staubach and you look at the guys that has those Lombardis lined up in Jerry's office, the reason why they became legendary, the reason why they became folklore is because they were able to capture the ultimate. And that's what it comes down to in this sport. In pro sports, on this menu, Ocho, there's only two things you can order, wins and losses. They don't even come with water. They don't give you no napkins.

You get wins or losses. That's all you get right and so i i just think that i've been receiving some criticism for something that i said last night i said he led the league in interceptions consistently but y'all know i meant turnover so let me clarify what i said right dak has finished in seven years three times in the top 10 in total turnovers four times if you count the year because he was top five the year that he broke his ankle and missed the rest of the season so out and he finished first last year tied for first last year and he missed five games so i think if somebody finishes top four top ten four out of seven years he's been in the league don't you think that would qualify as someone that's turnover prone, Ocho?

Yeah, somewhat, based on numbers. Everything is about numbers. If Ocho, let me ask you this. In 10 years, if you finish top 10 in drops in four of those eight seasons, what would people consider Ocho? Drops? If you finish top 10 in fumbles

in four of the eight years you top 10 in fumbles, in four of the eight years you've been in the league, they will say you got a fumbling problem. Right, right, right. I'm just... Ocho, two things can be true. Dak can be playing really well and he's had a history of turning the ball over.

Why can't... They don't have to be mutually exclusive. And I think sometimes people lose sight of that that two things can be true he can be a good player and adrian peterson was a historically great running back but what did he have a problem doing ojo fumbling the football yeah yeah yeah so are we denying that no it happened yeah and it doesn't take away it doesn't take away the fact that they are great at what they do. Right. And so the thing, the problem is, is that when Dak has gotten into the playoff, that bug has reared its head. You know what? One thing about it, and I know them boys going to see

this, to take some of the pressure off of Dak, to me, I think which would help with some of the interceptions and some of the things like that. I need my receiving core to raise their level of play, to raise their level of play. I need C.D. Lamb to always be open. C.D. playing out his mind, Ochoa. I know you're playing out his mind. I need Gallup. I need Brandon Cooks. I'm talking about every time something is called, every time a player is called, you

just got to be there for your quarterback. I'm talking about like insurance. You know, if something happened to you and you got insurance, you know that insurance is going to cover you no matter what. I want that to be able to be blindfolded and be able to count and be able to throw a ball without even looking and knowing his

receiver is going to be there for him every single time. Every time. And I think when you get that type of trust in your quarterback and receiver knowing he's going to be there for me, they going to be fine, especially come playoff time. Yeah, well, C.D. has played this year like a top five receiver. Crazy.

You and I debated whether he was top 10. I was like, okay, borderline top 10. But he's played like a top five receiver. I think it goes without question to say it, that Tyreek has been the best receiver. And then A.J. Brown, Justin Jefferson was balling out of his mind before he tweaked that hamstring. Chase is Chase.

Keenan Allen has been phenomenal. But C.D. C.D. has been legit. C.D. has been, I mean, three straight, I think he had three straight games with double-digit catches and 150-plus yards, something that had never been done in NFL history. He did that. He's showing. It's going to cost you a lot of money to re- history he did that he's showing it's gonna cost

you a lot of money to resign him because he's in the fourth year he got that contract coming up guess what you got that boy dog on the other side number 11 double hockey sticks he coming up he gonna he gonna roll his paper oh yeah so they're gonna hey and guess what dax isn't gonna coming up that what you're gonna do with that yeah Yeah. You know, that when the Super Bowl, that's automatically 50 million. It's a wrap. Oh, it is a wrap.

He gets to the NFC championship game. Now he's thrown his name into the MVP discussion. Yeah. The way he's played the last two weeks with the touchdown, the interception, the touchdown, high interception rate, low.

He's thrown, he's thrust his name into the equation. Right. But that's a great problem to have, Ocho. I'd rather have that problem in dealing with paying guys after I've won a championship as opposed to like, who do I pay? And we haven't reached the

ultimate pinnacle yet. So Dak continued to play well. I was just pointing out those are some of the things. And you just can't look at the positive. Yeah, you look at guys okay, Dak's playing well. I think you and I discussed that last night. He was clean.

I'm talking about, I'm talking about for Sunday clean. I'm talking about church anniversary clean. I'm talking about health inspection clean. He was clean as the board of health. He was that clean as he was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on. There's someone in the chat that said,

Ocho, you just ran about Lazard. Now you're saying that the Cowboys need to play, need to up their plate. No, no, no. Huh? I don't think he understand what I was talking about, huh? When you get into the postseason, the receivers,

what's the first thing that's going to happen when you get into the postseason? We doubling CD. So I need Gallup and I need Brandon Cooks to do exactly like his last name say. I need you to cook every time. I think what they're saying is that when Aaron Rodgers goes out, Alan Lazard should have said, hey, I'm going to up my plate. I think that's the argument that they're making.

Wait a minute. Listen, you'm going to up my play. I think that's the argument that they're making. Wait a minute. Listen, you can't. You can't. They don't have the same structure now. We talk about a cowboy. Don't do that. Now, we talk about we can't compare the Jets offense and the Cowboys offense now. Come on now.

Stay with me. You said it didn't matter what offense. You said they got a job to do. Are they doing a job? Are they doing a job in New York? Are they doing a job in New York? Are they doing a job in New York? Are they doing the job? I've been telling you that from day one.

And you argue me down. I'm arguing you down because Zach can't do his goddamn job because the job in front of him ain't doing theirs. And how the person in the chat don't understand what I'm saying? How you don't understand what I'm saying? Hey, someone else in the chat said, Ocho, low-. How you don't understand what I'm saying? Hey, someone else in the chat

said, Ocho, low-key, you canceled your own argument, bro. They don't know. See, I hate talking with football with people that don't know goddamn football. I would talk about the interception. I'm thinking about the interception that I've seen last year in the postseason. It was going to the receivers

that were motherfucking covered. Everybody want to know what my T-shirt be saying? That's a horrible idea. What time? The athletic, hold on. You want to go back to Tua. Ocho, I got some concerns. Because the turnovers are starting to rise.

You see, that's two games. The last two games, five turnovers. That's concerning because you know come playoff time, Ocho, you turn the ball over three times, two times, you're going home. Yeah, you's two games. The last two games, five turnovers. That's concerning because you know come playoff time, until you turn the ball over three times, two times, you're going home. Yeah, you're going home. But listen, we just talked about that. Did we not just talk the other night? That was last night, matter of fact.

That goddamn out route. That goddamn out route. You late with this goal. If you late, if you try to hitch, when you hit that third step, the ball got to be gone. The ball got to be gone. If you're going to miss, you either miss wide or you miss out of bounds.

Yes. One or the other. We just talked about that. A very difficult throw. And plus, Tua doesn't have the strongest arm to begin with. You don't think so? No, Ocho. What you mean, do I think so?

Listen, I ain't seen Tua up close now. I ain't seen him up close to be able to judge his arm strength. No, no, he ain't got no arm. He has to throw with incredible anticipation, kind of like Brock Purdy. But I think Brock Purdy's anticipatory skills are as good as that we've seen. He just doesn't have, like, Mahomes can anticipate, but Mahomes can throw the ball through an hour of a hurricane. There's a difference.

Marino had that kind of anticipation, but he had arm strength. You know, a lot of times we see guys with great anticipation, they don't have the Josh Allen or the Brett Favre or the Patrick Mahomes, the John Elway type arm strength. Tua, if he's ever late, it's going the other way.

Going the other way, yeah. It's really that simple. Yeah, okay. Because the guy, because on that out route, because here's the thing. When you run that speed out, Ocho, you know exactly what I'm talking about. When you hit 10 and roll to 12. That ball got to be gone. Been gone.

Yes. Because if you miss, the DB's on your hip. That's why you speeding out of the thing. Because you're rolling away from him. If you miss, you're going to hit him in the chest. You hit a guy on the chest on the out route, it's going to the house. Unless it's like

80 yards and you miss with Tyreek. Tyreek will chase him down. But other than that, that's to the house. He's got to pull a head of steam one way and you roll in the other way, it's over. Yeah.

It's the same on that Hail Mary that the Jets. I looked at Ash when the guy intercepted. I said, you're going to run this back. And she looked at me like, I said, because you got to understand, all the receivers are in the end zone. Down in the end zone, yeah. You ain't got nothing but linemen and a non-athletic quarterback that's about to try to make the tackle.

You had a running back in there. He got a block. Boom, it's over. It's a wrap, yeah. It's just like Alabama, the kick six. It's kind of like a deep interception. Well, you got the receivers right there. So the guy gets the ball running back this way.

It's over. Like I said, unless you got a Tyreek or a DK, somebody that can chase him down. Down. But in that situation, yeah, you ask him an awful lot. That's concerning for me. Yes, they're dangerous. They still had two guys over 100 yards today.

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Players were asked about their favorite stadium to play in. What do you think the number one stadium to play in was? The number one? Yes. This was easy for me. I got it, because it was my favorite you're number one everybody else no it was there the players current players anonymously will ask their favorite stadium

trying to think i'm trying maybe i'm thinking i'm gonna just go with the two loudest stadiums that wouldn't be a favorite though arrowhead or or the 12 man out there in seattle arrowhead was number one it It was? That's a good one. US Bank Stadium, which is Minnesota Stadium, was number two. Yeah, it's loud, but to go there and to see, it's a sea of red.

Yeah. And they bring that B-2 bomber over, and it's just like hovering. And it's right there, but you don't hear it until it gets past you. And then it's rumbling. you don't hear it until it gets past you and then it is rumbling the stadium is actually rumbling and all you see is red and when the and the uh national anthem and the home of the cheese yeah i mean you can feel the wind of all those people saying, gee, feel it.

And it just gives you goosebumps. And you know you got to be on your best behavior. Now, when we played them, they're mile high. But you have to understand, it was different. Because when I played them in the 90s, they were on a defensive team. They were loaded. They had DT.

They had Dale Carter. DT, Neal Smith, James Hastie. They had DT. They had Dale Carter. They had Dale Carter, DT, Neal Smith, James Hastie. They had Deron Cherry, Martin Bayless, Dan Salamua, Joe Phillips. They were loaded on the defensive side. And you know, they had Barry Ward, Christian Accoriate. So, Marty

Schottenheimer was the coach. They run the ball. You know, Marty wasn't going to do anything crazy and then turn it over to his defense in the A. And you see they get you backed up. DT running the end zone and do this. That's what y'all want to see? And the fans go crazy. Oh yeah, he said that's what y'all want to see? Okay.

They get you backed up, Ocho. They get you backed up. It got so loud they had to change the rules because Dan told us, we went there one time and Dan says john if you can't hear just turn to the official and tell him you can't hear well why not go on silent count but that was before the silent there was no silent we ended up we had teams ended up going to the silent count but they the official would make the crowd, the home crowd,

quiet down so you could hear the snap. And they said, if you didn't quiet down, they would start taking timeouts. Oh, okay, okay, okay. The NFL said, no, we can't have that. That's the whole purpose

of having home field advantage is to have your crowd get into it. So they changed the rule and then everybody started going on the silent count. Okay. Arrowhead was number one U.S. Bank Stadium. The Vikings was number two.

The least favorite stadium to play in. Mm-hmm. What do you think the players voted? I'm trying to think. I would go, well, obviously, the Raiders aren't at the Black Hole, so it's nice over there. So the Black Hole wouldn't be wouldn't be trying to think least favorite i got both of these which fan base is really crazy maybe the eagles eagles eagles about the

eagles or uh yeah the eagles no not the eagles eagles no the old eagles when i played the eagles used to play at the vet right it was turf it was concrete with basically a carpet laid on top of it ouch it was terrible yes uh the players voted met life is where the jets and the giants play oh that is a bad stadium and fedex and fedex field because remember they just had no cold they had no hot water just last just last week so and the toilets and the's been backing up from what I've heard but when I played I would say that the Eagles played the old Astrodome they did away with that before you got into the league

Cleveland Municipal Stadium was a dump yeah yeah it was a dump Ocho it was bad it was really really bad yeah the most annoying fan base. It gotta be the Eagles. They crazy.

It gotta be the Eagles. The Eagles threw snowballs at Santa. You know they ain't wrapped too tight. They said Santa ain't bring them, ish. So he deserved it. Okay, the Eagles were number one. Who's number two? Number two. Fan base is really crazy.

Ocho, come on now. It's were number one. Who's number two? Number two. Fan base is really crazy. Ocho, come on now. It's a good one. Because, hey, the Bills. Nope. No. Most annoying. Oh, annoying. Oh, okay.

Oh, the Cowboys. Thank you. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Thank you. But, you know, but see, I came along. We didn't really know how annoying a fan base was because there was no social media. So there was nobody on,

I know y'all, you suck, Cowboy Nation, and Eagles Fly, whatever. Eagles Fly, because I think Ravens flock, Eagles Fly. There was none of that going on. So we didn't get it until you got there. But every fan base was rabid. Check this out. Coach, other than your own, that you would have wanted to play for?

That I love to play for? Yep. Oh, that's a good, that's an easy one. In that Andy Reid offense. Nope. Yeah. What? He wasn't one.

He wasn't one. So depending on who you ask, if you have an offensive player, he was three, so who would be one? If you had a coach that you'd like to play with? I mean, that was easy for me. I got number one. I went with Andy Reid, too,

but I got this one number one. No hands. Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin? Matter of fact, Mike. That's a good one. I like Mike. Mike is with number one. No hands. Mike Tomlin. Mike Tomlin. Matter of fact, Mike. That's a good one. I like Mike. Mike is a good one.

Number two was Mike McDaniel. That's another good one. You notice everybody you just name are player coaches? I thought they would have named Kyle Shanahan. Can you imagine in that offense? That offense? That's a good one. That's a good one.

Everybody that those top three are all player coaches and relate very well to the players. Danny donated $70 to ask, Uncle Nocho, what are the best parts of playing in the NFL? What are the worst parts? I'll let you go first. What's the best part? Let me see. The best part? Competing.

As a matter of fact, the best part to me is the game. Being able to compete. Getting up, practicing, you know, showing up at the meetings, going through the game, the best part to me is the game, being able to compete, getting up, practicing, you know, showing up to meetings, going through the game plan, going out, executing the game plan, and then going out Sunday and trying to execute it

the exact same way, you know, you did. Obviously, you know, that you worked on in practice. For me, the entertainment value for one that I was able to bring to the game,

though, was bar none and one of the best things for me. The bad thing, what would be the bad thing? think i don't know about you i got two i got two repaired hips i got i got a repair i got a dislocated i got a broken i got a fractured collarbone that still had you god damn you got you got fucked up listen i i didn't I didn't have the energy But the only bad thing for me The only bad thing for me

Was the fact that the entertainment value That I brought to the game They saw me as a villain And they kept taking my money over it Now everything is accepted Yeah I think for me The camaraderie

See I enjoyed the game I miss that man But I like I love the practice I love the practices I love the, I enjoyed the game, but I like, I love the practice. I love the practices. I love the meeting. I love the locker room. I love the bus rides. I love the plane. I love all of that.

The bonding and the journey to get to that destination, which is the Super Bowl and to win that. That's the look. Look, and the money, the money because it gave me an opportunity to take care of my family in a way that I That's the look. Look, the money, because it gave me an opportunity to take care of my family

in a way that I probably never could have. Maybe I could have, but I didn't really love anything as much as I love football. Now, had I not been, had I not been able

to fulfill my dreams, I was going to law school. I was going to be, and I think I could have been, you know, I think people like my debating skills. I think I'd have been a damn good lawyer. Okay, Johnny Cocker? Yeah, you know, I think people like my debating skills. I think I'd have been a damn good lawyer.

Okay. Johnny Cocker. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You know, Johnny Cocker, Willie Gary, you know, Jerry Spencer. I'd have been one of them, you know, one of them, one of them, the big time guys. And so I think that's, that's the best part. Ocho is the opportunity to provide for your family at a level that you probably didn't even dream of.

Cause even though I was going to like play in the NFL, man,fl man when i i mean if you got a million dollars in the nfl when i first got there man you make it big time money right right it wasn't no it wasn't no seven eight ten million dollar deals going on as a matter of fact when i first got to the nfl there wasn't even no free agency there wasn't no free agency so they offered, you had to take whatever they offered. That's why a lot of these guys stayed with one team forever. Oh, Joe, where you going? Right, right, right, right. Where you going? Yeah.

And so a lot of, and that's what you saw is that these great teams, all of them got, oh, you look at the Steelers. Joe Green, Mel Blunt, Lambert, Ham, Bradshaw. They traded Franco, Stallworth, Swan, Webster. All those guys get old at once. Then what do you got? All those guys are Hall of Famers, but they're retiring within a year or two of each other.

Then what? Yeah. And when I think about it, I never really thought about, you know, the money and the financial aspect of it because I was so busy enjoying the game the same way I did when I was a little shorty. The same way I played football. I tell you no a little shorty. The same way I played football,

I tell you no lie, Unc, the same way I played football at Liberty City Optimist, at Miami Beach Senior High, or Miami Lakes Optimist, when I played there, I'm talking about back in 1988, is the same way I played the game

once I got to the NFL. And the fact that they tried to get me to conform and change the way I played the game, it wasn't happening. And the funny thing about it, when we think about the NFL and when you don't abide by the rules, I didn't break the rules. I just bent them just a little bit because I felt the game should be played in an entertaining fashion. So the first thing they think, well, we're going to take what we think you value

most. That's where the fines come in at. But, Lord be, Lord behold, man, I'm not here for the money because I'm going to make that regardless. I'm going to play the game the way I play it, it's a little shorty and have fun doing it

because when my time is up, I don't want no regrets about, damn, I should have did this while I was playing. Uh, Rod 870 asks,

uh, who is the better route runner? Ochoa, AB. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. That's a good one. Yeah a good one yeah now you want to bump them you know what you know you know the funny thing about it about it is people people

people won't even know me and ab training together for the past what they ain't ask you that 13 14 years they ain't ask you that they ask you a simple question who's the better route runner they ain't ask you who you train with now give the people an answer it depends it's been i'm the greatest of all time it depends on what who is the great i'm the greatest route runner? They ain't asking who you train with. Now, give the people an answer. It depends. I'm the greatest route runner of all time. It depends on what? Who is the better? I'm the greatest route runner of all time. Of all time.

Say that. I'm the greatest. Let me talk. Let me say something. I'm the greatest route runner of all time. There's one receiver. Listen to me, Unc. Stay with me, baby.

There's one receiver, and NFL Films has all the footage that can come to the line of scrimmage and before the snap of the ball, tell the DB my route and still get open. There's only one person that's ever done that. Let me finish. There's one receiver that before the season started, he had a list of every DB,

every DB in his locker. It was checking them off week to week. There's only one. I don't care what nobody else did. No, I'm talking about early in my career. I can't ask you no questions. I'm talking about early in my career. You said stay with me, Ocho.

Stay with me now. Stay with me. I'm trying to keep up with you now. The funny thing about it, that's one man. And it ain't really bad to lose to that one man because that one man is one of the greatest to ever play the game. He got you, Ocho. Ocho, but what that would have said about you if you would have

did a number on it? Huh? Huh, man? You heard exactly what I said. You know what I would have said? I would have said I got lucky because that motherfucker

was good, boy. That nigga Revis had the motherfucking patience of Sally Mae because you know, ain't nobody paying that money no time soon. But at that line of scrimmage,

boy, that nigga was... He ain't biting that first move. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And he got, if you look at him the way he's built, he got long. He struck, man. He got long arms on choke. And that first move he ain't biting. And he just gonna

turn and run. And he do this or this. He got that, he put that little arm bar right by your hip so you really can't go nowhere. And then his ball playing skills was fucking elite. Yeah. Elite ball playing skills. Elite.

Yeah. Yeah. He was good. He was good. I mean, you watch him, his feet. I mean, hey, he ain't opening up too soon. He ain't, hey, all that. He's like, I see all that head moving, but see all that head moving but that waist ain't moved

there's only there's only one person one person who had consistent success against rebus and that was stevie johnson stevie johnson was a phenomenal phenomenal receiver especially in the phone booth when it comes to to creating separation and making you think making you do something you didn't think he was doing yeah Yeah, you got to get open up. But it was rare that he opened up too soon. Very, very, very. Because he never bit the first move. And sometimes he wouldn't even go for the goddamn second one.

Yeah, that's why I say, listen, Revis had the patience of Sally Mae. Because you know people ain't paying them loans back no time soon. And Revis is going to sit there and wait for you. He's going to wait for you. But Sally Mae just wait for you to get a better paying job and then she's going to come knocking on your door,

hey, I need to get that. Sally Mae, Sally Mae said, I ain't bothering you that little first job because I know that's the little starter job. It's just like your first house,

Ocho, you know, everybody, they got them a starter house. Sally Mae said, I'm going to wait. I'm going to wait until that second or third job when you get that,

when you get that big payday and then I'm going to, hey, then I'm going to send all those'm going to wait until that second or third job. Would you get that big payday? And then I'm going to send all those notices out. Pelser17 asked, how many rings would you have won now and how many rings would you have now in a league like this?

Oh, let me go back. He also asked, who is the better route runner, me or Witt? Really, dude? Wait, no, you was a different type of tight end than Witt. Come on, now. Just understand the game, now.

I was a legit, I got drafted as a wide receiver, and they moved me to tight end, but I could still maneuver like I ran bang eights, I ran comebacks, I ran digss. I ran comebacks. I ran digs. They put me outside. I ran sluggles. I ran speed outs.

How many tight ends you think, even in today's game, they've hit 10, rolled a 12? How many of them running a comeback? How many of them running a dig? How many of them running a dagger? How many of them running a shake route? I could literally run the route Triocho That's not even a fair comparison

To ask a guy that was 228 Could a guy 250 Run better routes than me Talk your talk talk your talk now Talk your talk I'm with you when you're right One thing about it I'm with you when you're right I ain't gonna argue the fact man I done seen you now

I got the film Whitney had an unbelievable career, but ain't no tight end. Not no routes. Because you got to realize, I spent a lot of time outside the numbers. Yeah. I'm running,

I'm running, I'm running, what tight end you know running bang eights? Right now, that ain't happening. Right now, that ain't happening. I got a a question i got well no he's just a big body with great hands i was thinking about jimmy smith what do you think about jimmy

smith i mean jimmy smith um jimmy graham jimmy graham jim jimmy was a big body he wasn't around that's the first that's why i said that that's the first thing i see i look at guys like jimmy he was kind of like mark jamiro ben coles bavaro they play bumper cars they look at guys like Jimmy. He was kind of like Mark Jamiro, Ben Coates, Bavaro. They play bumper cars. They look into banging somebody and bump off them. I ain't trying to let you touch me. I'm trying. Hey, I'm shaking. Ooh, ooh.

I'm. Hey. You ain't getting none of that. You ain't finna touch me. Bro, I'm only 228. Bro, I can't let you get your hands on me. Right. Now, if you a safety or DB, yeah, I'm going to throw you a little ass out of the way.

But if you a linebacker, I ain't trying to let you get your hands on me. I'm not going to let you square me up. And I always say, I'm always playing on Ocho. I'm playing half a man. Half a man. Because I can't let you do this. It's like you're here, and I'm here. Or you're here, and I'm here.

But I'm not going to let you square me up. You're not going to hit me in my breastplate. No, I'm always playing on half a man. And that's what I tell the guys not to play half a man. Yeah. Not the whole A. Make A. Make sure you understand.

You want him to be half the man that he can be. Right. And you know what's funny? When I think about it, there are some receivers, big body receivers that enjoy where they really don't have the physical tools or the DNA to play half a man because they really can't get around nobody. That will light that warmth engagement. I've seen T.O. do it. I've seen Brandon Marshall do it. You ever seen that pull and tug?

Yes. Yes. You know how strong you got to be to have a pull and tug and still remain within the timing of an offense? Yeah. My brother was a big with him like that. I tried to do. I tried to pull that pull pulling tug shit off one time. I tell you no lie, I was on the sideline.

Nah, Ocho, you definitely got to play half a man. Listen, the DB rolled my ass all the way to the sideline and said, you know what, I ain't watching the big niggas no more, man. I ain't watching the big receivers no more. Nah, you can't, Ocho. You need to be, in order to play

through the contact, you need to be at least 220. Man, listen, I might have been 180 at best. Guys like you said, Julio, T.O., Brandon Marshall, Megatron. It's crazy. Megatron, too. I don't understand. Megatron was 240, though. It's crazy.

I'm talking about they would let the DB get hands on them. Like let them get hands on them and grab in between the shoulder pads and just tug and pull whichever way they want to go and be open every time. Every time? Yeah. Because what you do when you do that, when you pull him

you launch yourself forward. That's just like a DB. If you notice sometimes DB grab you by the heel and undercut the route because they slow you down and launch yourself forward. That's just like a DB. If you notice, sometimes DB grab you by the heel and undercut the route because they slow you down and launch themselves forward. Forward, yeah. So you have to,

because I did that a lot. Get beat on the block, grab the guy by his waist, make them know I'm in front of him. Man, how you do that? Don't worry about it. You'll see it on film. The truth is in trade.

Richard Sherman also said Stevie Johnson was the hardest receiver to cover. Yeah. Stevie was shifty. Any tall, long, lanky corners like Richard Sherman or even in today's game, I'm thinking about Jalen Ramsey.

He would pose problems for anybody because you not getting no hand. Those guys are spriders. You missing. You missing. Everybody in this chat, y'all remember and one, right? You remember the and one basketball? Yeah. That's exactly how Stevie Johnson got off the ball. Him and

Keenan Allen? Oh my God. That's saucy. Hey, I don't know what you were in the league when Deontay Hall from Kansas City? Remember what he did to the Broncos? I was there. That was a kick return

and a punt return. Man, the human joystick. The human joystick. He called a hitch route. He juked by 12 guys. Had guys running into each other looking like Keystone cops. Google that play. That was against us in mile high.

I'm like, well, damn. That was also the game. Portis hit him up for like 205 touchdowns. Check this out, Ocho. Yeah. Anthony Edwards says he could be the first NBA and NFL player. Ant-Man, I think I might be the first.

Fonny Marco, he sat down and did an interview with Fonny Marco. Fonny Marco asked, are you going to do it? Ant-Man, I'm going to try. First, I got to handle my business in the NBA. Minnesota, we won a championship. After that, we'll figure it out. interview with fernie marco fernie marco asked are you gonna do it and man i'm gonna try first i gotta handle my business in the nba minnesota we won a championship after that we'll figure it out how tall is anthony edwards by what six eight six seven no he's six four six five that's it that's it so then he would have to play receiver but he'd get banged up

oh joe he'd get banged up oh joe i don't He'll get banged up. Ocho, I don't know what got... Y'all crying about fouls in the NBA. Just imagine, when y'all shoot a jump shot, y'all concerned about coming down on somebody's foot. Right. Can you imagine you jump your ass up in the air, they're going to snatch you out in the sky? Yeah, especially that tall.

That's a big target, though. But maybe Anthony Edwards is built different. Maybe in high school he might have been a five-star recruit coming out. Obviously, I'm not sure if that will actually translate into the NFL, but still, he's a dog at what he does, especially NBA. That's that boy.

I'm just not sure if it would translate the way he thinks it is or would mentally. It's a different animal. It's a different animal once you get to the NFL now, especially when you that big. And everybody says, oh, he can play.

Bro, do you understand? Look, I was in the league. Deion's a year older than me. So Deion came in in 89. I came in 90. I was also in the league with Bo. So to say you think somebody can do it versus actually seeing somebody do it.

But I think basketball is a little bit because I don't know how often you go to NBA games, but you go watch the NBA games. You watch the eighth and ninth guy shoot the basketball and they don't miss. They'll make 10, 11 shots in an effing row.

Right, right. But the mindset to be a football player and deal with that physicality. You thought the NBA was physical back in the 80s and 90s, and even though they've relaxed a lot of the rules in the NFL, that's a different animal.

That's a different animal, though, Ocho. And that's what I tell guys. I say, look, I'm not trying to shortchange your talent because I believe you're talented. Now, a lot of these guys might have played football. Matt Barnes played football matt barns played football but he gave it up to focus on basketball and that's what most of these guys did once they got to like the eighth or the ninth grade they gave it up so they didn't play anymore played

the last three years of high school didn't play if they went to college didn't play and then all of a sudden you think you're just gonna like pick pick it up. Yeah. And just, you know, his mental, his mental capacity and the way he, just the way he built, the way he thinks, you know, based on his background, based on his upbringing, he truly believes he could transition and do it. He truly believes that. Is it a reality or is it even possible?

Probably not. But the way he operate and that with that dog mentality, he has the makeup to be able to do it in the DNA. But it's just obviously it's too late. It wouldn't even be possible because football, football and basketball

run during the same time. Yes. And to speak to your fact, and you know, my knowledge of the game of basketball is not where it should be. But I'm going to a game. We're going to get you working on that though.

Listen, I'm going to a game this Monday. Me and Doug, we're going to, I'm sitting courtside for the Lakers and Philly game. Okay. In Philly. So I'm excited. This is my first game in three years. Watch those guys.

Just watch them warm up and watch how effortless they shoot the ball. And guys will make seven, eight, ten. They'll make seven threes in a row. And you like, ball. Yeah. And guys will make seven, eight, ten. They'll make seven threes in a row. And you like, bro. Yeah.

How you the tenth guy and you didn't miss? Yeah. But who do I watch? Who do I watch? Because the Philly playing the Lakers, the Lakers playing the Philly,

who do I watch? They got Joel Embiid. Hey, that boy nice. They got Tyrese Maxey. Tyrese Maxey been balling out of his mind. Well, obviously, you know the Lakers. You know LeBron and AD, Reeves.

I mean, but just, I mean. AD playing? AD playing? Yeah. I'm going to put him to the side because he needs a nutritionist. I need to holler at AD. I get it right. The last time he played, that's the second game in the first 15,

in the first 15, the 13 games that he's going scoreless in the second half. Wait, is there a reason? I don't know what the reason is. All I know is the Maverick has one of the worst interior defenses in basketball. And he has zero points. Well, maybe he was kicking the ball out all the time. See, that's my basketball lingo. He was kicking the ball out. O time. See, I know, but that's my basketball lingo. He was kicking the ball out. Ocho.

I ain't kicking nothing out. It's like what you said. When you got somebody and you know you can beat them, you ain't telling Carson, go and feed TJ. Go ahead and feed him. You give me that. Right. Okay. I ain't kicking nothing out. I see where you're going.

Isn't that selfish Is it selfish If the team is winning And there's an open man You don't want to dish it out You don't want to kick it out But you're asking an awful lot For an almost 39 year old

To carry it This is supposed to be Anthony Davis' team Right This is what it's supposed to be now I remember LeBron saying that Remember Yeah

Yeah But you can't But I You got to take it Right you got to take it. Right. You got to take it. I wanted to be John Elway's go-to guy. I took it.

I made him in practice. I made it the way I practice and come game time, he know he going to catch it or it's going to be incomplete. Well, what if his mentality is not like that? What happens, just for the sake of the argument a hypothetical question yeah what happens if

Anthony Davis had a Kobe Bryant type mentality he'd be the he'd be the best player in the NBA or a John Moran he'd be the best player

or a Derrick Rose type mentality Allen Iverson that just that that got that he'd be the he would be the best player in the NBA

and that's what and see that's the difference when I was talking, me and you was talking about earlier about a mindset. Right. You see how important a mindset is?

Right. Ocho, I played my entire career. Can he transition? Can he transition into that type of mindset or is it too late? Ocho, 12 years in. Ocho, you born with that. You think Kobe developed that

once he got to the NBA? No, no. That start when you little. That start when you little. That start when you little. That killer mindset. You don't even know you got it. It's to the NBA? No, no. That started when you were little. That started when you were little. That started when you were little. That killer mindset. You don't even know you got it. It's just the way you approach the game.

Yes. Okay, okay. I was just curious. Me, I was the youngest of all my cousins. Like, my sister's the oldest. Of all my cousins, on my mom's side, my sister's the oldest. And so, Arnell is next to her, who's seven years older than me. Eugene was six years old, rest his soul. My brother's three years. My cousin's the oldest. And so Arnell is next to her, who's seven years older than me. Eugene was six years old, rest his soul.

My brother's three years. My cousin's two years. And so we playing. They calling travel. They doing everything. Hey, I had to develop a mindset. I said, I want to play. I'm tired of being picked last.

Oh, OK, I'm going to throw in, Ocho. OK, if you get the best player, if you get the best player, you also got to take the worst player, which is me. Man, I got tired of that, Ocho. Right, right, right. So I developed a mindset. No, no, no.

No. Going to the park, I'm the last guy picked. Okay. Now, everybody waiting. Hey, we're going to take Sharp. Right. And so that's the mindset

you got to have. And like I said, I played my entire career. Ladies and gentlemen, I weighed 228 pounds. You're not going to beat me all day long, Ocho. Right, right, right, right. Being straight hand, being reggie, I got to win some of these battles. I ain't saying I'm going to win them all,

but I got to win some. Hey, straight hand was strong? Man, straight, man. Man, straight lock. Was he? Man, straight, hey. Reggie White, like Reggie White with that one arm strong? Reggie was a different animal. Reggie was throwing

350 pound men. So what the hell do you think? I had to trick him. Had to take a false step and cut him off. Right. But, like, we got to the Super Bowl. I really didn't like the cut. Right.

Especially, like, a guy like them, because the last thing I want to do is injure this man. Right, right, right, right. But it was the Super Bowl. It was the Super Bowl, Ochoa. You said, fuck it, huh? I had to get it. I'm sorry, Ray. I'm sorry. I was cutting everything, Ochoa. I was cutting everything, though, Joe.

I was cutting everything. Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you had a disadvantage, man. You had a complete disadvantage, man. Yeah, but Reggie was ungodly strong. Bruce was strong. And Bruce, you have to understand, Bruce, he played basically,

he got all those sacks basically in a 3-4 defense. So Reggie was a 5-tech. I mean, Bruce was a 5-technique. Technique, right. That's crazy. Which is, yeah, he got 200 sacks basically with the exception of maybe the last couple of years in Washington. He was a, he was a five tech. Right. Remember Dexter Manley? Yeah. Yeah. I think Dex was gone by the time I think, I don't think I played against him.

I played against Charles Mann, played against Charles Mann in Washington. They had a good team. They had a good team. I think we played them the year after they won the Super Bowl in 91. I think that's when we played them. I think we played them there. We played them in the old RFK Stadium. It was a dunk too.

Ocho, I don't know if you saw this video. Did you see this guy made a raccoon soup? And he made it with all the ingredients that I told you. Bell pepper, onions, yeah. I saw it on Twitter. So I want you to do me a favor. You want to try it with me? Absolutely not.

No. No, no, no. Hold on, hold on. Hold on. Time out. I got to get a time out. I got to get a full time out, Ocho. No, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. Time out. I gotta get a time out. I gotta get a full time out, Ocho. You'll suck toes,

but you won't eat no coon. Whoa. Let's rewind that. Let me rewind this again and let me press play. You mean to tell me you'll eat some raccoon soup, but you ain't gonna suck no toes? Mm-mm. No. No. No, sir. Boy, raccoons eat out the garbage. Raccoons eat everything. Come to me.

But you won't suck on no toes that's clean. Just had a pedicure. I tell you what, a chicken and a hog is nastier than a raccoon. Look it up. Yeah, I know. I know about that. I know about that. I know about that. But listen, they all nasty. They all nasty. They all nasty. I ain't need no toes. You ain't got to eat them. All you doing is taking some ice, crushed ice.

What, you got a sprained toe or something? I'll give her some crushed ice for a sprained toe. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You start with that pinky toe. You play it like the flute, like you Andre 3000. No. Yeah. I was never in the band. And if I were in the band, I wasn't going to play the flute. I was going to play the trumpet, like you Andre 3000. No. Yeah. I was never in the band. And if I were in the band, I

wasn't going to play the flute. I was going to play the trumpet or the trombone. So, no. Hey, Ocho, look, I'm talking about Ocho, Uncle Ocho. Yes, sir. Exotic, exotic eating. We going all over the country. All over the world? All over the world?

Armadillo, possum, raccoon, turtle. Listen, we got to show. That sounds like some goddamn fit factor shit. Now, for that, I do that. Because one thing, I try anything once. Yeah. Anything. Now, I'm talking about food.

I'm talking about food. I ain't, yeah. I'm about to call you. I'm about to call you. Are you on your own? Yeah, let me clarify. I try anything once. You're talking about you would I'm about to call you. Are you on your own? Yeah, let me clarify. Yeah, because you out here talking about you a tricycle.

Talking about you a try anything. Oh, no. No, no, no. Only thing I know is tricycle. And I ain't rode one of them since 19... Since 1983. But that thing look good, though.

You got to admit, it look good. The way he had that thing over here, some cone braids. It look good, but what would have been better is if we were to have a show like that, we would travel the world

and try exotic foods or exotic delicacies, whatever it might be. You can't tell me what it is because if you tell me what it is, then mentally, I ain't going to be there. If you don't tell me,

don't tell me it's raccoon soup. Just give me the soup and let me try it and then I'll be okay. See? See, I already got you psyched out. See, I want some pig ear sandwich. With old pig ear sandwich.

I have brioche bread and mustard. I want pig ear sandwich. I want some greens with pigtails in them. Okay. I eat pigtails. I eat pig feet. Not pig ear and pig tongue. I know another tail you eat too, but anyway.

Huh? I ain't saying nothing. Wait, you don't eat the tail? We got a lot of music questions, Ocho. Donnie donated, oh, we're moving on. Donnie donated $20. Oh, you got off that topic quick. Uncle 85, what music did you listen to before the game during your career?

Boyd and boys hated me. And I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm not sure if any of my former players or former teammates are in this chat, but boy they hated me. We had a surround sound system, right? Yeah. And you know, game day. Seniority rules. Seniority rules. Whoever get to that surround sound system first, that is the music you get to hear.

Unc. Well, you had a little too. Man, Unc, I had Frank Sinatra playing. I had blues, classical music playing. Unc, I had gospel playing. And they come in there hollering, screaming, man, get this, I had Frank Sinatra playing. I had blues, classical music playing. Unc, I had gospel playing. And they come in there hollering, screaming, man, get this bullshit off the goddamn, we trying to get ready for a game.

And you know, man, shit, put your earphones on. Put your earphones on. Because for me, Unc, I done did so much shit talking through the week, through the media, playing around, giving the other team bulletin board material. The last thing I needed to be on game day was

rah rah rah I needed to be relaxed in a nice calm and quiet mental state because now I got to go out there and perform and back up all that shit

I done talked during the week so I needed I needed that classical music I needed that jazz I needed to hear Frank Sinatra so I was in a calm state so I went out there and I was able to execute

and back up all that shit I talked man they hated me man they hated it I was in a calm state. So I went out there and I was able to execute and back up all that shit I talked. Man, they hated me, man. They hated it. I was the exact same way. Michelle and Dago Ocello was one. Maxwell was two.

Shawty was three. Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. Ocho, I couldn't listen to that get me up because I'm already amped. Man, my heart be about to explode. So I need something to calm me down. Man, man,

you know what Michael Parsons say? He took that C4 powder. Ocho, I took some of that before the game. The guy was like, man,

Sean, take this. Ocho, I like the past style, Ocho. Serious? You took too much, huh?

Ocho, I'm already am. I'm already a guy that gets going. Naturally. Ocho I ran down there on kickoff

I missed man I was on the oxygen for about about 10 minutes Ocho. And you was in Denver so you're already sitting high huh?

Already. I say never again. Listen to some music listen to that music everybody i was at height that way see when i was in baltimore mystical i remember when mystical came out oh yeah you hot damn danger then yeah you were hot i go yeah yeah you were you were hot you were hot man and then ray covered out there any dogs in the house i said man y'all they over there listen i couldn't do it oh joe yeah that's crazy man i wish that's somebody i

know i'm going off topic a little bit based on the question that was asked where i already answered though ray lewis ray lewis uh lorenzo neal denzel washington and dion sanders yeah i don't know and i wish people would have had the opportunity to talk to these individuals let's see if you have an issue in life you know and if if they was therapists the way they can command the air when they talk man it's it's it's something they should have been preachers and reza o'neill man i haven't seen zoe in so long zoe i if you see this man i love you and ray you know ray and i this is a funny thing ray and i we read a scripture every morning for a decade straight every sunday every sunday and the funny thing about it is when we play the ravens we would read a scripture together at 10 o'clock. And then we meet up at the 50 before the game.

And then we go on the field. And he be knocking. Oh, man. I'm like, Ray, it's me, baby. It was so funny, man. That's some of the stuff. But the question you asked earlier about what you miss about the game, that's what I miss, man. The competing.

The friendships and the relationships that I built throughout the years. And I really miss that. I really, really do, man. Truly do, man. The competing, you know, the friendships and the relationships that I built throughout the years. And I really miss that. I really, really do, man. Truly do, man. Damn, I miss them boys. Noplace underscore like underscore homes donated $20. Ocho, don't embellish.

Did Toby... Wee-gee-wee? Is that the guy that wrote... No, Toby Wig-Way. Toby Wig-Way. Wig-Way. Okay. Did he write all the lyrics

or did you have some input speaking about excessive celebration with Toby you didn't do nothing though Chope nah he wrote my lyrics he wrote my lyrics but it was perfect for me based on who I was so the lyrics were perfect so I came with my own lyrics but the NFL

they wouldn't clear it because when I rap I like to curse so we had to get clearance from the NFL because yeah this is a Super Bowl commercial it's a Super Bowl commercial so you know they ain't playing about that oh no they ain't playing about that absolutely yeah I went with Toby lyric because that is his profession he's really good at what he what he does Toby I appreciate you I know you gonna see this I love you but um I was just grateful I was waiting for the opportunity was grateful for the opportunity to work with one of the best artists in the game today. And it was dope. So right now, I really think I'm a rapper. Right.

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For me? Oh, Leonard Skinner. Sweet Home Alabama? Sweet Home Alabama, Sweet Home Alabama. Free Bird. Simple Man. Boy. Oh, I thought you were talking about the wrestler, the Free Bird. No, Free Bird, the song. Terry Gordy.

If I leave here tomorrow, would you still remember me? No, Free Bird. Leonard Skinner, Free free birds but i love me some skinner i thought i thought he was about to ask us a question about megan the statue i was like i don't know it like that i mean yeah i don't know meg either i don't know me i know she's a rapper she's that girl she's like dirty laundry in the dorm room she is what i mean i don't mean you know i don't listen to rap like that out of the swamp raised possum so you don't know nobody else they get the most swamp raised possum they bad ocho

yeah now you get them with some good old white white potatoes and some yam potatoes and you bake that you put that joke in the oven yes sir no so i have a question would you have any interest in dating megan and siren since you stacked up like a possum? No, I'm good. What you just said? A swamp raised possum. Oh, a swamp raised possum. Yeah, yeah. I can hook that up because Megan... No, you can't hook that up. No, no, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good.

I'm good. Well, make up your mind now. You can't give someone credit based on being stacked up and then say you don't want to... Can I give people their flowers, Ocho? Okay. Well, why you don't want to. Can I give people their flowers, Ocho? Okay. Well, why you don't want to give Dak his flowers? Oh, Lord.

Talk about that. I don't get it. Why you giving flowers? Did I not give Dak flowers last night, Ocho? Okay, you did. You did. You did.

I'm going to let you slap. I'm going to let you slap. Okay, Danny donated $10. What's up, Danny? No, it's not much, but I love you, Chad. It's my B-Day and you have a voice

of an angel. Yeah, yeah. My B-Lucifer? Yeah's my B-Day. And you have a voice of an angel. Yeah, yeah. My B-Lucifer? My B-Lucifer? I appreciate it, Danny. Happy birthday. I'm going to sing Danny, happy birthday. Oh, Lord have mercy. Happy birthday

to you. Yeah. Happy birthday to you. Yeah. Happy birthday to my motherfucking dog, my dude, Danny. Happy birthday to you. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds good.

I know what I do. You hit it. You hit it. You hit it. You hit it. Sound good, huh? Yeah. Yeah.

You hit that one. I stayed in range. Yeah. You hit that one. Normally, when I go out of range, then I sound crazy because I ain't had no peppermint tea. Yeah. I got to bring it down. Yeah. Bring it down or not. Yeah. Hey, salute you, Danny. Appreciate out of range, then I sound crazy because I ain't had no government tea. Yeah, I got to bring it down. Bring it down or not, yeah.

Hey, salute you, Danny. Appreciate that $10, homie. Basically, stay in your talking, boys. I do. I do. You exactly right. Until I get some vote. My vocal coach,

my vocal coach, she moved to goddamn Netherlands. Oh, check this out. Jerry Lee donated $50 and asked, much love here from the Asian community in Central Valley, California. I need to know, does Chad Ochocinco get more numbers than with you, number

seven, let's get 350? Than you. Does Ochocinco... Oh, does he... Oh, okay. Does Chad Ochocinco get more numbers, which means does he have better numbers, more touchdowns with me, with you than with me? No. Yes.

Oh, Lord have mercy. Yes. You believe that? Yeah. I really don't understand the question. He's saying, do you believe that, he's asking, basically asking you, do you believe John Elway would have had better numbers with you than with me? Well, if John Elway had me, then the numbers that I have right now

would probably be double what they are. Your numbers? Yeah. Yeah. You put me in that offense. You put me in that offense, boy. I would have been crazy. No, you ad-libbed too much.

No, you ad-libbed too much. I don't ad-lib. I can't ad-lib. I did not. How you going to tell me I ad-libbed? Because I saw. You did. No, you didn't.

I don't ad-lib. I don't ad-lib unless it's a song playing. I call Carson right now. No, you song playing. I call Carson right now. No, you don't need to call Carson right now. Carson lied too. You think John Elway going to say something against me? Huh? You know, you can't ad-lib in a time and offense

though. Check this out. Uncourtney J asked, top five movies and TV shows guaranteed you'll see in the black household. Friday, number one. Friday. Friday, number one? Friday.

I'm going to go Harlem Nights. Harlem Nights, Life. Harlem Nights, Life. Or Coming to America. That's three. Harlem Nights, Life. Coming to America. Friday.

Yeah, Friday. Who will be number five? Training Day? No? Yeah. That's too recent. I'm talking about like black coat like like Friday and life though those are I like the wash with Snoop Dogg and dr. Dre okay it was a little bit before your time I like a little tentry I like it I like their presidentidents. Dead Presidents. That's a good one. No, Boyz n the Hood. Boyz, for sure.

Anytime Boyz n the Hood. Menace to Society. Menace to Society. Now, when you talk about black TV shows. You said Dead Presidents already, right? Dead Presidents.

Black TV shows. Martin. Martin. In Living Color. Jamie Foxx. In Living Color. Good Times. Sand for the Sun.

Living Single. Yeah. Oh, Living Single. That's a good one. That's a good one. Oh, that's a good one. in living color good times sand for the sun living single oh living single that's a good one that's a good one Cosby show Cosby show classic what he got going on notwithstanding you can't deny the man genius when it comes to that

I got a question for the chat y'all might be too young for this but I know you're going to remember please tell me you remember the episode of the Cosby show when the opera singer Blasido Domingo was on any saying best man mucho you probably remember how you remember that episode oh my god oh my goodness though one of the greatest episodes outside of the one where little Rudy sang the song on the stairs when they had the baby. I forgot the name of the song that they sang

when the whole family performed on the stairs. Dog, that was classic. Copy Show was a really, really good TV series. Really good TV series. Rudy Huxville grew up to be some type of woman

for herself. Yeah, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy Real Deal, man. Rudy Real Deal. Okay, now. Hey, don't let Real, hey, don't mess this up, Real, talking about you can't be on the show with Hulk no more. Come on, now. What a real deal. Okay, now. Hey, don't let Real... Hey, don't mess this up, Real. You can't be on the show with Hulk no more.

Come on, now. I'm just saying, based on what you... I'm just saying, hey, you just let me talk because I don't want Real to cancel us. Real hold a lot of power. Real, we ain't mean no harm. We just, you know, we just chewing the fat. It's just two homies just carrying on.

We just shooting the shit. No, no, no, no ill intent. Rodney Dink is my homeboy. In my opinion, I always felt like you could have played the NBA or triple jump in the Olympics. What do you think? I wanted to be muscles. I wanted to have too much muscles. I couldn't.

I got too big. I got too big. But I was, I was all of the triple jumper, you know, through the desk, long jump, ran on the relay team, averaged 30 my senior year before the three-point shot. Hit 52 and three-quarter.

Still got the record. Who you was playing with? 52 and 52. That's what you tell me. Who you was playing with? I need to see the competition. What you was at? Ocho. You were 1A? When it come to me, there was no competition. I just want you to check this out, Ocho.

You were 1A? Georgia. Let me explain to you in Georgia. Let me tell you the guys that came out of Class A. Myself, Herschel Walker, George Rogers, Champ Bailey, Garrison Hurst, Sterling Sharp. Talk to me, man. All those guys.

Double A, what you call was one class up, I think was Tekeo Spikes. The only guys now this last crop that's come out, Cam was like upper class, like 4-4, 5-8, Alvin Kamara. But early

on, most of the guys came out of single A football. But I need to see. I need to see this 52 you're talking about. I need to see the level of competition you was playing against. There was no competition, Ocho. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Okay, so the competition was bad.

I was in a class by myself. Do you understand that? Okay, I got you. It was just like Herschel. Herschel had 3,100 yards and 45 touchdowns his senior year. You see how he looked as a freshman? So imagine that as a freshman, rushed for 1,600 yards. What the hell you think you're going to do in high school?

Look at George Rogers, one of the highest midfielders. What the hell you think you're going to do in high school? Look at Garrison Hurst. What the hell you think you're going to do in high school? Champ. Champ went to a Class A high school. All the athleticism, He went to Charlton County I'm way older than Champ

But we played them Yeah I like it I'm just saying that 52 I gotta check I gotta see that Let's play one on one If you

I played once I Ocho I played Once I got drafted I played That last I played one more year After I got drafted Right I went to

I went to my hometown I say This is going to be my last time Ever playing on this court Right I said I'm not losing I say Y'all put me with any five

And I'm not losing I walked out, y'all put me with any five, and I'm not losing. I walked out the court undefeated. Never played again. And that was it. I didn't want to run the risk. I didn't want to run the risk of tearing the ACL. Man, Ocho, I didn't do anything that could jeopardize football.

I'm talking about right now. Play me, since you're so good at basketball. Play me one-on-one. Ocho, I haven't shot a basketball in 32 years I ain't rode a bike in 40 years and I can still get on a ride riding a bike it's called muscle memory

either you got it or you don't are you that boy that you just told me that dropped 52 back then so now all of a sudden nah oh you ain't done it in so long you can't do it if you a shooter, you can shoot. Are you Steph Curry or not? No. Are you Steph Curry or not? I ain't Chef Boyardee now, let alone

Chef Steph. If you got it, one thing about us, black don't crack and we don't lose it. We just lose opportunities. So either you gonna get on this court and play me one-on-one or you scared of me. So now you wanna be the man with two repaired hips, huh? Oh, now you making excuses? Are you making excuses? I don't care if you was scared of me. So now you want to be the man with two repaired hips, huh? Oh, now you making excuses? Ain't no excuses.

Are you making excuses? I don't care if you was in a wheelchair. When we get on that court, I'm finna dunk on your ass. Uh, Ocho, you ain't dunking nothing but donuts. That too. Okay.

Damn Chaos said, donated $20 as gents. Top five martial arts actors Of all time Dead or alive What Bruce Lee number one Bruce Lee number one Chuck Nars

Whoa, whoa, whoa Chuck Nars Over Van Damme I'ma go him He ain't give no particular order Okay, okay, okay, okay Go ahead Chuck Nars

Van Damme Bruce Lee Jackie Chan I was waiting on that one And there's one more. What's the one with Jet Li? Michael J. White. He is in the martial arts. What's the other guy

from Jet Li, the movie Jet Li? I don't know. Jet Li. That's him. That's his name? Yeah. Jet Li. Okay, yeah. Jet Li. Yeah. Trying to think. Michael Angelo. Jose Jalapeno on a stick donated $10 and said, hey, Ocho, I've been trying to challenge Ocho on Xbox to a game of FIFA,

but he's been ducking me. So I figured this is the best way to contact him. Love you guys. Please don't stop making this show. So Jose Jalapeno on a stick said, you've been ducking him. He said he want that smoke on FIFA. Well, technically, I know Jose on a smoke J jalapeno ain't really serious about no goddamn FIFA. It ain't even called motherfucking FIFA no more.

It's called EAFC. So that let me know he's sorry as hell. He said he want to beat you on whatever it's called. FIFA, whatever you call it. He going to lose to me. He going to lose to me because he even saying the title right. He know how to find me. Anybody in the gaming world

knows my game of tag and they know how to find me. I ain't hard to find. You scared? Child, please. You scared? I ain't hard to find. You scared?

I mean, I find you. Even if I'm scared, I ain't hard to find. All you got to do is pull up. What you running from? Same reason you want to play me one-on-one? Ocho. Same reason?

I don't care about your surgeries. I don't care about your hip. Play me one-on-one. I don't want to hear none of all the excuses. The last time I shot a basketball, I weighed about 212 pounds. I'm about 247, and I'm a lot more muscle-bound now than I was then. What does muscle have to do? Dwight Howard muscle-bound, too. He ain't made does muscle have to do? Dwight Howard, muscle-bound too.

He ain't made no excuses. He can't shoot with a lick. Well, you better go to the hoop. You better go to the hoop and try to lay it up. Go to the hoop and try to lay it up. Ocho. Ocho. See, I just, hey, all I'm going to do is dribble just like this here.

That's fine. That's fine. I'm coming up right up under there and I'm stealing the ball. Next. Oh, Lord. Next. Ocho, Ocho, you can't play no basketball you didn't play basketball in high school yo um did you not listen to me when i told you

multiple shows ago the nba players come to train with me to help with the off the ball movement and come what and come off the dribble all i know all-area team, if you go back and look at 19... What was that? 85 or 86. I know two players made the team. Shannon Sharp and Purvis Ellison. You ever heard of him? I'm talking about 20, 20, 23.

I want to play one-on-one. I come to LA. I come to LA, get your camera crew so we can have some footage. Nightcap. Ocho versus O. I tell you what. I tell you what. I'll play to LA, get your camera crew so we can have some footage. Nightcap. I'll tell you what. I'll play you in the basketball. You come in the gym and work out with me.

I'm boxing right now. I cannot lift any weights. Look at Holyfield. Holyfield lifted. Holyfield lifted. Please understand. I cannot lift weights I can only do band work right now The inability to do something

Chad Ochocinco Johnson has the ability I cannot lift heavy weight Right now Because I have a fight coming up That ain't got nothing to do with me I cannot shoot light basketballs Right now You understand I'm training for something

Yes you can Are you training for now. You understand? I'm training for something. Yes, you can. Okay, then. What you training for? Are you training for Mr. Olympia? I'm training to put these little pythons around your neck. I'm about to put a Draymond on you. First thing I see, I put that Draymond on you. You see that right there?

Nah. Ain't going to happen. Go to sleep. Ain't going to happen. Go to sleep. Beat you down. Beat you see... Nah, nah. Ain't gonna happen. Go to sleep. Ain't gonna happen. Go to sleep. Beat you down. Beat your old man down, too. Yeah.

Ben Steeler donated $50 and asked, if you guys switch positions in your career, who would have excelled in a new position? Also, when are you bringing Laporte down here to Canada? Hope you guys had a good Thanksgiving. First of all, see, I played wide receiver at least for two months. He ain't never played tight end. What you mean?

I played running back. I played running back. We are tight end in the NFL. Well, I ain't built to be no tight end, so it's a hypothetical question that just really don't make no sense But honestly I'm just the better player all around So regardless of what position I would play

Obviously it would be me No Common sense tell you that No No common sense Yeah Imagine if I play tight end Man give me

Better than throw your little ass All over the place You on the way No No no no I got obviously Hypothetically speaking I would be 228.

228 with these feet? Shit. You ain't gonna have no feet at 228. I promise you that. You ain't gonna have no feet at 228. No, you're not. You might have better feet than what I had, but you ain't have the feet that you got

that you had when you played. Not in that way. Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. But you gonna come work out with me? Yeah, yeah, but I can't lift too high. When is the unboxing exhibition? February.

Okay, once the fact, once that over with, we're gonna put some weight on you. Once it's over with, matter of fact, I can show, matter of fact, when y'all edit, when we talk about edit, the people can find the pictures where I was about 205.

And I, they online, I was huge. I was about 205. I was huge. I was about your size. And you never benched 225. You can't bench 225.

You couldn't. There's footage on Twitter and Instagram of me benching 315. No, sir. This is when I was big. I'm serious. It might have been 2018.

I looked like a fucking tight end. I was huge. No, you didn't. You didn't. You didn't. All right, you'll see. Somebody going to edit. Somebody going to pull it.

I was huge. Any more questions? What do you want to talk about, Ocho? We got like five more minutes to go. I don't know. I don to go. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm feeling good today, too.

I've been talking. I've been talking like crazy. You got really. I mean, you got really. Oh, pro football focus at Alan Lazar drop percentage on target passes at 20%. The next worst is Van Jefferson at 18%. Was Van Jefferson ever a healthy scratch? No.

Oh, yeah. Remember they went out and got Odell with Van Jefferson there. Puka, Nakua is playing in front of him. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, he was a healthy scratch. Nah, he was in a healthy scratch. Nah, I ain't in a healthy scratch. Ocho, look, see, what you're doing is that you're shooting the harbinger,

which is the messenger, which is me. No, no, no, no, but your message is wrong. You got the right message, but the wrong message, because what you're saying is not the reason why he was in a healthy scratch. You ain't saying, oh, he's in a healthy scratch because, oh, he dropped balls. That don't even make no goddamn sense. Why you beat up the mailman for delivering the bills?

You the one that got them people ish. No, no, no, no. You beat me up because all I did was do my job. You are because you're saying he's a healthy scratch for the wrong reason. That's not the reason. I'm just telling you what was reported.

So you believe everything you read? Do you believe everything you read? So let me ask you a. So, you believe everything you read? Do you believe everything you read? So, let me ask you a question. Do you believe everything you read? So, why wasn't he in uniform and he's healthy? That's the first thing I said. It's probably something internal that we don't know about. And goddamn, whoever reported it,

it's just motherfucking guessing, oh, this is the reason. That ain't even the goddamn reason. And we running with it when I know that's probably not it. I guarantee that, Nick, because I ain't never heard of a healthy scratch. Oh, you know what? He dropping too many balls. Let's pitch him. What?

The internal issue is that he hadn't played well. That's not it. That's not it. Oh, hold on. Robert Sala, when asked why Alan Lazard was a healthy scratch, he know his play is not up to standard. Robert Sala, Jocena Anderson just reported,

Robert Sala on why Alan Lazard was a healthy scratch. He knows his play is not his standard. Well, if that's the goddamn case, whoa, whoa, whoa. No, no, no. If Robert Salah, let me finish, let me finish. I'm going to let you go. If Robert Salah said

Alan Lazar's play is not up to standard, so he was a healthy scratch, they should have forfeited the whole fucking game because the whole offense ain't been up to standard since the season started. They should just forfeited the game fucking game because the whole offense ain't been up to standard since the season started. They should just forfeited the game. Ain't nobody offensively done done shit. So they should have forfeited the goddamn game

and started playing the Dolphins. I'm just saying, if that's the excuse you want to lead with, if that's the excuse Robert Sala want to give the motherfucking media, that's some bullshit. Ben Jair goddamn body. I'm taking a bath by this. Oh's some bullshit. Bench air, goddamn body. I'm taking a bath by this.

Oh, my God. I'm just saying, if that's what he want to say, if that's what he want to say, his play isn't up to standards, well, neither is the other motherfucking 10 on the goddamn field.

Bench everybody. Wow. Scapegoat. I think you owe, first of all, I think you owe me an apology. You owe me an apology. I love you.

I love you, but I'm just, I'm speaking my feelings. I'm speaking my feelings on that bullshit excuse. Don't coach just use. Alan Lazard is a goddamn scapegoat because shit ain't going well. You know what? I got to find a way to get the heat off him.

I got to find a way to put the heat on somebody. Oh, you know who we're going to pick on? No. We're going to pick on motherfucking Alan Lazard. You told me, you made me come out here and give Jalen Hurts and give Dak Prescott an apology. I want my apology. What am I apologizing for?

No, no, you apologize because you called me a liar. You say you big, bald-head, black liar. Now, I want an apology. And I know the people in the chat. People, let's get a thing. Do y'all want Chad to give me an apology? I think the people in the chat. People, let's get a thing. Do y'all want Chad to give me an apology? I think the people in the chat, the people in the chat,

they better be on my side and see the bullshit that they doing over there in New York. Ain't no bull jive. Ain't no bull jive. Ain't no bull jive. Oh, that's bull jive. Oh, his play hasn't been a standard. Well, who motherfucking play has?

Who play over there has? In week 10, name me somebody who play in New York play has been up to standard. Ocho, what you just told me when I said you got to have a belief, you say it's your job to do your job. Why are you worried about what somebody else is

doing other than Alan Lazard? Let's talk about him. I'm just going by what you said. You said... Well, based on what the coach said, the coach said Alan Lazard play wasn't up to par. That's why he was healthy scratch. And then my next bit was, well, who the fuck play has been up to par? I'm talking about him.

Okay. This is a team game. It's a team game, ain't it? It's a team game. I'm just waiting on my apology. Okay. I'm sorry. Thank you.

That's all you had to do. But still, boy, boy, Robert Sala, I think he's slick, boy. It wasn't an apology. I didn't ask.

Don't try to put that on my dog. Don't try to put that on my dog. Oh, here's playing with the ball. Well, goddammit, who's playing

with the ball? Yes, and the fans say, you supposed to have apologized, but he did, and I appreciate that. Child.

I don't try to please. I try to tell you. I see the games they playing over there in New York. I read through all the little bullshit. I see what they trying to do. I see what they trying to do. If I tell you. I see what they trying to do.

If I tell you Duck smokes cigarettes, check his wing. He got a pack up under there. So when I tell you they trying to do. If I tell you duck smoke cigarettes, check his wing. He got a pack up under there. So when I tell you so, believe it. I know you. How do you not see what they trying to do? How do you not see what they trying to do? I see what you trying to do.

How do you not see what they trying to do? I see what you trying to do. We got the finest scapegoat. You know what? Let's put it on Alan Lazard. Uncle apology. 75%. Hey's let's put it on uncle apology 75 let's hey let's put it on alan lazar you know get somebody to hit off the head coach to get somebody to hit off zach wilson to get somebody guess guess what listen stay with me now guess what's going to be the headline oh alan lazar bench because of he was a healthy scratch that's all they're going to talk about yeah watch i gary that's all they're gonna talk about and you're over there talking about i'm appalled that somebody would say that about alizar they they think they slick over there in new york trying to put that nah they think they

said desmond buying them donated ten dollars and said help savannah in the house appreciate that des des wall find them which state produces the best NFL players Georgia or Florida Florida Florida that's close I get it's close it's close

it's close y'all got Florida y'all got okay okay cause you talking about it's close

I mean y'all got some talent come out of there now no disrespect we all got some dog now but Florida boy it's something

in the water boy it is it's something in the water at Georgia that It is. It's something in the water at Georgia. That's why them Bulldogs kicking. What y'all Florida schools doing now? Huh? What the Florida schools doing, them Georgia Bulldogs?

That wasn't the question. The question was asked. Okay, yeah. Stay on topic. But, you know, hey, look. I mean, you know, Georgia, Florida, Texas,ifornia then probably ohio something like that yeah but we're in the top five for sure yeah most definitely messed up y'all top five did we did you didn't mention texas did you texas got the boys georgia florida texas cali

ohio louisiana is up there too the boot theots got them too now. But it's the southern states where it's warm down there year round. We get out there barefoot in no shirt. We run around on the dirt road or that black asphalt. We get used to that. We get used to that. Ocho, 75%

say you owe me an apology. But goddamn, I didn't apologize already. Did y'all like Ocho apology Do y'all think I ain't I ain't got nothing to do with that Now I didn't apologize already

No No An apology Right So I just want you to know The best apology Is change behavior So don't you question

Unc What do we got here? What do we got? We have another question to ask. Oh, shit. Hey, that was funny. Yeah, New York media. I know y'all gonna see this. Y'all ain't slick.

I ain't gonna let you pull the wool over my eyes. You can pull it over everybody else. Since most top 50 NFL draft picks by home state since 2019. Texas is number one. 35, right? Florida is number two at 29. Georgia is number three at 26. California is number four at 19. And Louisiana is number five at 14.

I love how we capped it off at 2019. I mean... No, I'm saying we... What? When do you want to go back? To 1950? Nah, go to 2000. 2000 to now.

I love that. Man, ain't nobody got all... Man, we have to go... Yeah, you see what it is. It's only three. And so it's close. You tried to make it seem like y'all have 50 and we got 10. It's close.

I told you. I said it's close. Okay. All right. But I'm not surprised by Texas, given how big Texas is. Texas is huge. Right. Good high school football.

Good high school football down there. Texas probably got more people than Georgia and Florida combined. So I'm not surprised. Right. Good high school football. Good high school football down there. Texas probably got more people than Georgia and Florida combined. So I'm not surprised. Right. But I'm surprised that California, because California got 40 million people. It got more people than anybody in the state.

So I'm surprised that they don't have more. Aren't you? Yeah. Yeah, most definitely. When I think about California, for some reason, all the linemen and the quarterbacks about california for some reason all the linemen and the quarterbacks come from california they do all the linemen and the quarterback come from california we have skill position here and there but more so from the south all the skill position

players come from in every blue every blue moon we you know you sprinkle a a nice legit one yeah because you get cj he's from california you get uh uh bryoud. He's from California. You get Bryce Young. He's from California. Yeah, yeah. It's funny. It's always been like that. Yeah, and well, what do you call him? He's not, I think, Caleb Williams. I think he's from D.C. Okay. DMV area.

That's what I think he's from. Yeah, I think so. He's not from California. He just went to, he went to, well, he went to Oklahoma first and then transferred with the coach out there. Guys, thank you for tuning in for our special episode of Nightcap. Even though it's Daycap. Make sure you click that subscribe button. Make sure you click that like button.

Make sure you got to get us to 350 by Monday. Where are we? Are we at 335? Let's go. 350. Okay. let's go. 350. We, we, we're nine. We're eight. We're eight subs away from 335,000.

No, Joe, eight subs away. So we're going to be, and we got, we got Sunday, Monday, we got two shows.

So we got Saturday. So we got to average about 15. We got to average about 15, about 5,000 a day in order to, uh, in order to get that number. It's going to be very, very special because I, you know, our end goal is obviously to get a million subs. in order to get that number. It's going to be very, very special. You know, our end goal is obviously

to get a million subs. We got to get a million. That's our goal. And then, you know, two more questions. In fact, did you hear from the doctor yet? About what? What you mean about what? I don't talk. What you mean about what?

I don't talk. What you call them? Say Hayes and McClendon donated $10. I want to give you all an Ocho Mushroom Bank for putting in work. My question for both of you is, was DBs? Okay, what DBs gave y'all fits in your day playing? Well, the guy I think that made me come to play how I am am is albert lewis long six two he was six two uh could play inside could play outside came from grambling state feathery he constantly gave me a different look i made he made he made me he forced me

to become what i became because i knew if I could beat him, I could beat anybody. Right. And so he had the most impact that says, okay, in order for you to be what you think you can be, you have to consistently beat him. And I knew I was legit when he was in Kansas city and the Raiders signed. If he was the number one,

he was the number one free agent because I was cooking the Raiders. They had nothing. Nobody could do anything with me. T-Mac, Eddie Anderson, none of them. Washington, none of them. They couldn't see me. I cooked them all. So they went and got Albert.

He slowed me down, but he didn't stop me. He slowed me down, but he didn't stop me. Which, me. He slowed me down, but he ain't stopped me. Which, Michael asked, better safety, Steve Atwater, Troy Palomaro, Ronnie Lott. They're all different. Different. Because you do realize Ronnie came in as a corner. Ronnie was an all-pro at corner. Yeah.

So people don't realize that. He moved to safety. Mm-hmm. They were different Atwater was a true strong safety like Brian Dawkins and although Troy

Troy was so skilled he lined up everywhere he'd be at the line of scrimmage and he's supposed to be in the hole or he's supposed to be in the 2d i'm like bro why i mean he uh i was my last year was his rookie year because he and ed if i'm not mistaken came out the same year yeah no ed yeah no ed came out my last year troy came out with detroit did they both come out in 03 i think i played against ed one year i think i played against troy one too. It might have been

the one come out no two and one other came out no three or both came out no three. Both came out no three. Troy came out no three. Ed came out in what? 0-2? I think Ed

came out no two. Because Ed, I didn't play with Ed. I left Baltimore after the in 0-2. Because Ed, I didn't play with Ed. I left Baltimore after the 0-1 season. Right. And I think, so what year did Ed come out?

0-2. Ed came out in 0-2. But for me, the best safety that I ever broke down, that I ever played against, that I ever saw was Ed Reed. Yeah. For me, for me, it was

Ed and Troy. Ed and Troy. Unbelievable. And the fact of the matter was they did things I call it exotic coverages. They did things that were very confusing that no other team could do because of the way the defense was constructed. There was no weakness. There was no weakness in the secondary.

There was no weakness at the front line. And they did some of the craziest stuff. Just like you mentioned, Troy, we don't know what the damn coverage is because everybody at the goddamn line of scrimmage. Everybody. And as soon as the ball snapped, everybody running to where they're supposed to be. And you got to hold the ball because you don't know what's going on. And previously, somebody asked a question about what DB gave you the most fits. And for me, it really wasn't a DB in itself outside of what Revis did. But early in my career, the good battles where I had to tie my shoes tight,

Ike Taylor, Lee Barden. Who else, man? Who else? Chris McAllister used to choke you out Chris McAllister you gotta be on your A game I had to be on my A game every time those

are some that I can remember those battles were really really good they were really really good with them it was back and forth back and forth with them boys the thing for me Ocho is that when we played physical corners was not getting to a physical battle with them. No, no, no. I'm going to lose that every time. Right, but see, me, I wasn't going to lose it,

but then I forget trying to go out and try to catch a pass instead of just beat the hell up out of the DB. And a lot of times, like, we played James Hasty, and Hasty, I know you're going to see this. Him, bro, I just be like, I mean, sometimes I would just go out there and be like, hey, I don't even want to catch the pass I just want to go out there

and fight it I just want to go out there and try to run slap over the top of it I don't want to throw don't even throw me no don't even throw the ball my way don't even look at me because I ain't even looking to get over I'm just looking to run right over I'm just gonna run and when he don't move I'm gonna put my helmet right up on his chin right oh James

DC even though we home boys it was just something about like okay I know he wasn't going to be dirty with me and I wasn't going to be dirty with him but bro Kansas City is just like bro you in Kansas City so I know we home boys I'm going to throw that

ish out the window for the day I ain't going to cut you I ain't going to cheap shot you but you know you're going to get this work though and if I get a chance to crack back I ain't gonna cheap shot you but you know you're gonna get this work though oh yeah and if I get a chance to crack back I'm gonna try to deplete you gotta get him out of down I gotta get I told you I gotta get it um but they were so different Troy probably was the most athletic yeah most definitely Ronnie probably had the most impact. But see, the thing is that when they played back then,

Ronnie would have been suspended. I mean, you can't hit people like Ronnie was hitting people like Ed Warden was hitting people. Ed, man, they would have been out of the league, suspended. They would have been out of the league. You see Kareem Jackson. You see how Kareem Jackson is about to miss six games. Again? That's the way Ronnie lost. Yes. Oh, let's talk about Ocho. see Kareem Jackson? You see how Kareem Jackson is about to miss six games? Again?

Yes. Let's talk about Ocho. They suspended him for hitting Joshua Dobbs. It was a 31, and they ran a quarterback power. Kareem Jackson comes, and he'll see me in his chest with his elbow. Ocho, you're not afforded the same protection

as a runner, as a receiver, as a quarterback in the pocket. He's a runner. I saw it. I saw it. Ocho, you're not afforded the same protection as a runner, as a receiver, as a quarterback in the pocket. He's a runner. It's 31. You no longer get those protections.

So what do you do? What do you do? On 31, I'm not going to let you fall forward. And he's like, if I hit him in his legs, he's going to fall

for the first down. He's like, I'm going to hit him in his mouth. So as a defender, what do you do? Because they've handicapped, they've handicapped the game to a point where it makes no sense.

You just can't do anything. You can't. And my pushback is, as a runner, you're not afforded the protection as a receiver in the air or a quarterback that's in the pocket. You are a runner right so what am i so how am i supposed especially ultra we coming this way it's 31 if i tackle you at the

legs what you're gonna do you're gonna fall for the first down for the first down i'm trying to hit you up top to keep you that's why like guys tackling the guy around the uh around the legs on the one yard line right he's going to fall in the end zone. For a touchdown, exactly. So, I'm going to try to keep him getting that first down. I'm going to hit you in your mouth and you're a runner. Yeah. Duck. The advice I got for a quarterback,

when you see a safety like Kareem Jackson come barreling down, duck. Yeah. Makes no sense. You don't want to get hit slide. I don't know what to tell you. Makes no sense. You don't want to get hit slide. I don't know what to tell you. Makes no sense. Not in that situation. Not in that situation.

No, he's a runner. He's not afforded protections of a defenseless receiver. He's not afforded the protection of a quarterback that's in the pocket. He's running the football. He's a running back. You would have never. The question is, would you ever call that play if it was a running back? No, because that's what Joshua Dobbs is.

The moment that he has, it's like a power, quarterback power, and he tucks that ball in his arm. He's a runner. He's a runner. He's a runner. That's crazy. And me too. I'm a runner too, and I'm trying to run through his ass.

Paul, but I'm trying to hit it. That's what I, oh, he coming, I'm trying to hit him dead in his mouth. You're not going to get this first down. It's going to be fourth down. Y'all got to go for it on fourth. But I'm going to hit you dead in your chest as hard as I can. You're going to get fined. You're going to get suspended too.

Oh, sure. Because what you telling me, if your quarterback, if you're a coach, don't care any more than to have you run it, if he's not protecting you, why should I? What did Tom Brady say? It's not the defensive player's job to protect the offensive players.

So, if that's what you think of you... What the NFL is doing is the NFL is now putting the defensive players in harm's way because now you're going to start trying to tackle in a way that you can't tackle, a way that you haven't been able to play all your life and start trying to do something you're not supposed to do. Right. And you can hurt yourself. And you remember, Ocho, when they started by the head and guys started hitting guys in the knees and tearing the ACLs. Yeah, tearing the ACLs.

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