Nightcap - Nightcap Draft Recap - Part 1: Shedeur Sanders Prank Called + Abdul Carter Responds to Unc & Ocho

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Cleveland Browns QB Shedeur Sanders being prank called during the 2025 NFL Draft and New York Giants DE Abdul Carter responding to Unc & Ocho's comments about Lawrence Taylor rejecting Carter's ask to unretire his number.01:41 - Who was behind Shedeur Sanders’ draft day prank call22:19 - Abdul Carter responds to No. 11(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran-Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The volume. The prank, the culprit behind the prank, called Chidur Sander, has been revealed as Jack Obrecht, son of Falcons D.C. First, the Falcons put out a statement this morning saying, Earlier in the week, Jack Obrecht, the 21-year-old son of defensive coordinator Jeff Obrecht, unintentionally came across the draft contact phone number for Jadur Sanders off an output iPad

while visiting his parents' home and wrote the number down and later conduct a prank call. Jeff Obrecht was unaware of the data exposure and any facet of the prank and was made aware of the above only after the fact. Atlanta Falcons do not condone this behavior and send our sincere apologies to Shadur Sanders and his family, who we've been in contact with, to apologize to, as well as facilitate an apology directly from Jack to the Sanders family. We have also been in contact with the NFL and will continue to cooperate fully with any inquiries we may receive from the NFL League office.

We are thoroughly reviewing all protocols and updating, if necessary, to help prevent an incident like this from happening again. Falcons, Falcons, Jack posted an apology. On Friday night, I made a tremendous mistake. Shador, what I did was completely inexcusable, embarrassing, and shameful. I'm so sorry I took away from your moment. It was selfish and childish. I could never imagine getting ready to celebrate one of the greatest moments of your life, and I made a terrible mistake and I messed with that moment. Thank you for accepting my call earlier today. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.

At Shador Sanders. Ocho, is this apology enough or should the Falcons punish? Well, I don't know how they can punish the sun. They might punish the dead. Should they get Dr. Draft? If you were to punish the Falcons, how do you punish them? And should they be punished first? And if you are going to punish them, what should the punishment be?

I mean, listen, I say if you're going to punish them to some extent, I would say it would have to come from the dad. Obviously, it was the son. It was the son that made the call. Obviously, dad, I'm not sure how the son got the number. Who knows? But the punishment should come from the dad. Maybe a fine of some sort.

I think draft picks would be a little bit too much because the team itself as a whole shouldn't have to suffer for what the son decided to do. Outside of that, the apology i mean at that at that at that point it it seems sincere especially being that it was written from someone else and it's it no it's just a bunch of you know what um did he really mean it no the fact that he got caught is the only reason he's apologizing bro how do you apologize you came and you let them record you. They're not sorry. They know what they were doing. They're young.

It was a prank. We're in the era of prank. Yeah. And like you say, everybody, everybody don't play the same. They play too much. Listen, they thought it was a fun moment. They thought it was a fun moment when it really wasn't. Before you go, G, other players also reportedly had prank calls. Tyler Warren had a prank call.

There were several other players. And you see that, like you said, Ocho, when that era, everything is about a prank. Everybody want to do a pull or something, want to touch somebody. A viral moment. Dump something on their head. Everybody, like GP, like you've been saying the whole night, everybody don't play how you play.

Now, when somebody fire you up, then, well, he didn't have to do that. Well, you didn't have to do that. Leave people alone, especially people you don't have a relationship with. You going out there in some mall, you walking down the street, you don't know that

person from a hill of beans. And that's why this social media has messed us up. About lies and everything about this crazy stuff. That little kid knew what he was doing because he went in his daddy's phone

and got that phone number. He did that on purpose. So, I hate saying punish your dad because your dad is trusting in you as my son and I'm trusting you that you won't go do stuff.

That's just like almost stealing though, y'all. That's almost like stealing. It's almost like stealing from your peoples and your dad has to take the blame for what you have done because I can't punish you because you're not in Atlanta Falcons

organization. So I have to punish your daddy because of the situation because it hurts that person who you did it to. And these young kids today, and I tell you, this generation is different. These kids are

different. They kids are different. They think that's funny. And they think that's something to do. At somebody else's expense. At somebody else's expense. They think this is funny. And then when you get caught, like Chad said, and boy, he ain't sorry.

Because if he was sorry, he would have said he did it from day one. And he would have been like, man, I did it. But he got caught. And when he got caught, he hadn't said the right thing to make his daddy be okay and look a little bit better. And you look at it

here, Ocho. Shador Sanders' phone number wasn't the only one in there. But he was the one that was having the precipitous fall. So now, which prank is going to generate the most buzz? Knowing Shador is on eggshells. He's on

pins and needles waiting to have an NFL team call him and say, hey, we're going to select you in the fourth round. We're going to select you in the fifth round. So check this out. He got the number from an iPad that he shouldn't have been using. He waited days because it just happened. And then he made the prank using. He waited days because it just happened.

And then he made the prank call. He filmed himself while making the prank calls, waited days to make the apology. Guys, I mean, look. You wanted that viral moment. Everything ain't mentioned,

like you said. And this is a day and age, don't you know? Everything is about clicks, like mentioned. And the viral moment. That's what it's all about, man. That's why,

that's why I like my era. We didn't have all that crap. No, man, they play like that. Yeah, we didn't get out like that. See, I tell Ocho all the time. We don't get out like that. I came up, I don't remember me

playing no practical jokes on nobody like, boy, you better scrap it up. You can't do that because next time we see you, we're going to knock you out. It ain't going to be about man, okay, man, I'm going to take this court date, man.

No, man, I'm going to knock you smooth out because we ain't talking about all that because you messing with my livelihood. This social media, all that crap, man, we ain't talking about all that because you messing with my livelihood. About all this social media, all that crap, man. We ain't doing that. Yeah. I'm glad I didn't come up in that area.

I'm glad. I'm glad. Now, look, I would have loved to made the money that these cats make. But, GP, I wouldn't want to be in this era. I wouldn't want to be in the social media era. I wouldn't. Hey, I'm going to tell y'all. I don't want to be in the social media area because I't. Hey, I'm going to tell y'all. I don't want to be in the social media area because I should.

I would have been divorced way earlier than what I did. No. I would have been on bad. You're stupid. I mean, I would have been, man. I would have been viral all the time. You know what I'm saying? But man, every day you walk out, man, you're going to that man.

There's a camera man. All the time. And look at that man. Man, I ain't on that man what are what is a light to me i don't care about no lights man i'm already popular y'all i'm saying i don't have you give me a million likes a million people are already looking at me so what i don't care about all that man

you messing up my life, man. And I'm not dealing with that, though. It's crazy to me that you can sit on the phone and watch people do what they do, and they silly. You just told me, and I ain't surprised, that boy got in that eye bag and then filmed himself doing it. Stupid as that. How you think that

and we ain't gonna figure that out? Yeah. How you think we ain't gonna get that? That's how dudes get caught killing people, murdering people, whatever they're doing. They, man, they go back to your phone.

Filming it. Go back to your phone and you got the pistol showing it and doing this and that and that. That's how they catch you. It's just silly. So that's why I tell a lot of kids that I've talked to now, that social media killing y'all, man.

It's hurting y'all. It's hurting y'all life, man. Because all y'all think about is likes. And who going to like you on there? That's how people get robbed and do stuff. You be on the thing, talk about I'm here, I'm there, and then all of a sudden they look in the back, oh man, he at

Centennial Park. Let me ride up on him right now. Let me ride up on that. That's crazy to me, man, that you do that. That's just silly. That's just silly stuff to me. Dang. Shador pinned his first both on NFLX and IG accounts.

If you go to both at NFL and Brown's official websites, click shop. Who's the first Cleveland Brown jersey you can preorder? Shador's. Many NFL fans on TikTok have pledged to purchase Shador's jersey and merchandise exclusively from his official website rather than from the NFL shop to support him after being drafted in the fifth round. They believe the league blackballed Shador. Shador could potentially make millions of dollars from this trend. And you'll probably see other players, you know, Ocho, you got it.

Hey, same. I'm proud of you. You know what you know, Ocho? You had your little cap. You had the Ocho gear going. And that's good. And look at Shad. Look, look, both of y'all. Y'all know it's daddy.

Daddy gonna make that up. You know what I'm saying? Because Deion did that, man. And that's what they gonna do. They gonna just show up, everybody, what they did to him. Y'all know that boy shouldn't have got drafted in no fifth round. He should have been a hundred and forty-fourth.

How the heck you go from projected to be number nine to one forty-fourth? That's crazy. And then the teams that were supposed to draft you passed you. And then the team who drafted he had it

at the 33rd in the second round and they didn't beat you see it's gotta be a black ball thing we ain't gonna never know why

what happened or why it happened but it happened but to me yeah I just tell my little young nephew man go out there kill yep and win a

job get out with him man be one of them special ones like marino like uh brett fall man do that man they got drafted like that and then become a hall of famer and become one of the dudes that's all you gotta do man so get it and then make your bread, man, the way you is. Because he popular, man. This social media got him popular. He going to be popular no matter what. He going to be popular. Yeah. So just do it.

It is. I think it's a blessing in disguise. Obviously, going in the fifth round and the pick he went is not the blessing I'm talking about. I'm just saying the situation he's going to, Flacco, is just there on the one-year deal. Deshaun Watson's not going to be able to play this year. So I'm assuming the way I'm thinking and thinking it's going to play out, I think he will be able to beat out Kenny Pickett and Dylan Gabriel. And I think he's going to get his shot.

He's going to get his shot to play. I'm not sure if it's this year. Maybe it's next year. But that's something where he's going to get his shot. And I think it's going to be magical for him. And seeing it as a blessing in disguise and finally being... You know why? Because look how much pressure they put on

Bronny James. You would have thought Bronny James was the first pick in the draft. The way they talk about him. He was the 55th pick. They ain't got but five picks left, GP. They make it seem like they took the man. But because of that last name, you got to understand. If his name

was Shadur Jones, maybe you're right. But we know who his dad is, and we know that aura around his dad. But Shannon, I can't agree with you. I got to agree with Chad on this one. Go ahead. Because that's a little bit of different

talent. My little nephew Ronnie wasn't really, really ready for that situation, for that athletic ability, right? He had to throw into that. He forgot. He missed the whole college Oh, yeah. The hard thing, you know,

what happened or whatever. But Shakur is ready. He got the talent to do that right now. And if you think of Roddy right now, Roddy killing the G League. He had to get himself into that situation.

Roddy going to be good in two, three years. I know. Shakur is going to be ready now. But see, what I was saying, I'm not saying because of the names. What I was just saying because of the names and the names. What I was just saying, because of the names and the expectations, even though

he's a fifth-round pick, and Ocho, you know we don't have no expectations for no fifth-round pick. But because your last name is Sanders, just like we got expectations now for the 55th pick. It's just like Jokic. When Jokic got drafted,

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last name. I thought y'all said he was all this. Ronnie going 55th. If he all that, he should be able to do like his dad. I'm going to have all the picks. Now, we went back to our fourth round, five round, two, like the NFL. Then he got picked like that. Then it's a little different. He only got six picks.

So let it pick because the simple fact is, is the Lakers had that pick. And if it wasn't for LeBron being on the Lakers and they making that pick, he probably wouldn't have got drafted, which would have been no problem. You know what I'm saying? But we only got two racks.

You know what I'm saying? It happened to figure out GP don't even make it. There you go. So it's a little different of what we're saying. You know what I'm saying? And half the cigarette GP don't even make it. There you go. So it's a little different of what we're saying. You know what I'm saying? We don't know if he would have got drafted if the Lakers didn't have that 52th pick. Right. You know what I'm saying?

But they did pick him, which was a blessing because he is talented. He is very, very talented. And you've got to give him a chance. Football players got seven rounds. They got to, they going to do that. They going to do that. So we happy that they do got these type of rounds. But if basketball would have had five or six, seven rounds,

and he got drafted in the fifth or sixth round, we wouldn't be expecting to be nothing. But hold on. He might not even make the play. But hold on. Once you finish at it, he might not even make the team. But here's the thing, GP. Once you start getting Ocho, you don't know anything about this because

you're a second rounder. You start getting his fifth and sixth, seventh round, you can't buy this. Yeah. Hey, Ocho, wait, we can't,

hey, we need people, hey, we just need enough to fill the roster. It ain't no guarantee when you start getting them later rounds like that. Well, in the NFL, hey, we just need enough to fill the roster. It ain't no guarantee when you start getting in them later rounds like that. Well, in the NFL,

y'all know y'all first three rounds is almost like first round picks with us. Yeah, basically. You want it in the NFL, the first three rounds, you start.

You start in the NFL. You feel what I'm saying? You basically gonna start in the NFL if you get paid, you pick in the first three rounds. You know what I'm saying? In basketball, if you pick 50-60, you're in a G League, 10-day contract, or whatever.

Yeah, two-way. G League, two-way. You're in two-way. You're going to be all in, man. We're going to give you a deal. Yeah. And you got to look at Bronny. He got a heck of a deal.

Yeah, he— Oh, he got a money guarantee. But he's not the first second But he's not the first, second rounder to get money guaranteed, don't you think? No, no, no. No, they're right

because people believe in other things. But then you think about it like this, Shannon. What if I don't pick you and then pick you up at a 3-8 and then still give you

some guaranteed money? No, I want the guaranteed money right here. You weren't going to pick me up and give me that kind of guaranteed money, so I go ahead and take this right here.

Hey, hey, hey. Hey, you heard me? Yeah, what'd you say, Ochoa? I don't think you're seeing it from the same lens I'm seeing it at. I'm looking at the situation in its totality, right? Okay, you went fifth round. Now, I

look at it. I look at the landscape of what they got. They got Flacco. Flacco's not going to be that long. Deshaun is hurt. He's coming off of a kidney injury. I it. I look at the landscape of what they got. They got Flacco. Flacco's not going to be that long. Deshaun. Deshaun is hurt. He's coming off of a Achilles injury. I see. I think. No disrespect to Kenny Pickett. No disrespect to Dylan Gabriel. I see him beating them out.

So I see Shador as the number two quarterback with Flacco playing. Now, depending on how Flacco plays throughout the entirety of the season, there's a chance that Shador, he goes to the helm. I say it's a blessing in disguise. So what happens? We look at the quarterback the quarterback carousel of quarterbacks that the Browns have had

throughout the entirety of their franchise the last decent quarterback that had a lot a lot of them the last

the last good one that was consistent was Bernie Kovar and before that it was Arlo Graham yeah hey I'm looking long term this might be a blessing in disguise despite yeah And before that, it was all on the ground. Yeah. Hey, I'm looking long-term.

This might be a blessing in disguise, despite. Yeah. So I'm just looking at it like that. And knowing him and knowing the competitor that Shadur is, understanding the background and where he's come from, he's able to deal with this adversity. And again, hurdle this option as well. Chad, I'm on your side.

And this situation, listen, this situation for him, a GP, delayed, not denied. Chad, I'm on your side. I think Shador is going to be their quarterback for the next six, seven years. And he's going to be good. Yeah. I'm going to say decade. I can say ten too because I think he's going to go in there and show up.

He's going to go in there and show up. I think he's got a chip on his shoulder now that him and his daddy done talked about it. Go in there and get out with what you're going to get out with. I'm guaranteed he's going to go in there. I don't even care about Flacco.

Man, if you fool around and be moving and doing what you do, man, and pass that thing, get first down or whatever, them Cleveland Browns ain't been nothing in a long time anyway. If you can get some people in them stands and getting people high, Shannon, you just said it. His jersey is the number one in Cleveland right now, man. Yeah.

What y'all think? What y'all think? What y'all think? Man, that's going to happen. I think he's going to show up. And that's what he should do. He should go in there and show up. Oh, Joe, Abdul Carter responded to us on Twitter this afternoon. I wore number 11.

I have big shoes. I've filled big shoes before. If you know football, you know who also wore the stick, which means 11. I have big shoes. I've filled big shoes before. If you know football, you know who also wore the stick, which means 11. It's not about the number. It's about the player. The number, just the legacy, it's iconic. Something cool. Look at the legacy

of the stick. I came to Penn State and not only lived up to that number, but I made it even more legendary. That's how I see it. I shot. If he says no, cool. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Yes, sir. But I spoke to LT on the phone yesterday.

Chill, dude. Don't speak it with the goat. And no for certain, 56 or not, I'll build my own legacy. I don't, Allah, I think he's saying praise to God or something like that. Abdul. Right. We said that. I mean, when we had you on something like that. Abdul. Right. We said that. I mean, when we had you on the couch, we appreciate it again.

I want to thank Ocho and I and Nightcap, the family. Thank you enough for coming by. I appreciate it. And Bailey. Thank you. Drew, we appreciate that. Bailey, I played with Bailey for two years at B-Bar. And Drew Rosenhouse, probably his first start,

he was down at the East Blue-Grey game in Montgomery, Alabama, Ocho, in 1989. So it goes back. So, Abdul, I want to thank you for coming on. Ocho, I want to thank you. Thank you, Drew Rosenhaus and Bailey, Robert Bailey, for making that happen. Yes, we highlighted.

That number was made famous by LeVar Arrington, that number was then followed by Michael Parsons, and then you took it. As great as those players were, wearing that number 11 at Penn State, you can't even fathom. Because let me tell you what happened. Every outside linebacker you see is because of LT. The Von Millers, the TJ Watts, the Derek Thomases, the Cornelius Bennett, Every outside linebacker you see is because of LT. The Von Millers, the TJ Watts, the Derek Thomases, the Cornelius Bennett's,

all these delinquent floors, you name an outside edge rusher. He's the only player in NFL history to make two positions famous. He made the left tackle famous. He made the left outside linebacker famous. Two. When we talk about who's the greatest quarterback, you get some debate. Some people say Peyton. Some people say Montana.

Some people say Brady. Not going to fight you. That's not what we're here to do today. If we say who's the greatest wide receiver, you get some people say Jerry. Some people say Randy Moss. Some people say T.O. If we say who's the best running back,

some people say Jim Brown. Some people say Walter Peyton, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders. When you say who is the greatest defensive NFL player ever, there's one name that comes out of everybody's mouth first. And he goes by initials. They don't call him

Lawrence. They call him L.T. That's all we're saying. So I get the sticks, but 5'6 in that, in New York? He was tough. And that's my,

and that's my OG. That's my OG. Every time I see him, I'm with him. I just saw him a couple weeks ago and had the autograph signing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll be seeing him all the time.

That's my dude. That was the greatest defensive player ever. And there's been some great ones. And I'm fortunate enough to play in the era. I played in the era with Reggie at his prime. Bruce Smith at his prime. Ray Lewis at his prime. Deion, Coach Prime at his prime.

I'm talking about guys that won defensive player of the year multiples. He's it. He made two positions famous. Famous. Yeah. I think it's different. I think it's different, but this is what I do like about Abdul.

The confidence. I feel. The belief. I feel I can win at 56 and do it justice. Despite LT being the greatest defensive player of all time. That's what makes Abdul who he is right now. That's why he was drafted. We were drafted when he wore the sticks when he was at Penn State. The belief, the confidence on not only that, in between them lines, the skill set to be able to pull it off. So the mere fact that he's coming in with that kind of, that kind of cash in attitude,

I feel like I could wear that 56 in New York and do right. I only want it. That's how I feel about myself. I only want it. As a matter of fact, I ain't even gonna get a 50 number. Cause they might say I'm close to 56. I might be close to it.

I don't want it. I'm getting me. I'm okay. I'll go back and get that level. I go back and get a single digit number of Z. Yes, that's what I do. This is what,

this is what Shannon say, man. Look at it, man. I don't even want that number, man. I don't even want to live up to none of that, man.

Let me go on number, man. He's legendary. Yeah, man. You can't do that. You can't do it on a legendary number, man.

Don't even mess with that. Don't even be talking about all that, man, to put yourself in that situation, man. Just go on the weather lab, do what you't even mess with that. Don't even be talking about all that, man. Put yourself in that situation, man. Just go on the weather lab, do what you did, and get out. You feel what I'm saying? Get out. If you hear the story about LT,

LT late for the plane. LT gets out of the car, throws his keys to the valet, says, I'll be back here Sunday. Picks me up. And the guy picks him up on Sunday. LT, he's driving to New York guy picked him up on Sunday. LT, he driving to New York,

he driving, he like, damn, they got the lights on in John's stadium. He's supposed to be playing. Hey, we,

on NFL film, man, Bill Belichick told a story one day about starting a meeting, starting a meeting and the head, I don't remember

what the head coach was the head coach. Parcells was the head coach, I don't remember who the head coach was. Parcells was the head coach. Parcells was the head coach. Okay, Parcells was the head coach. So Bill, I think Bill must have went to Parcells and said something about,

you know what, well, LT, you know, he showed up late to a meeting and he wasn't there. And so Parcells asked him, well, did you start the meeting on time or did you wait for him to get there? He said, no,

I just waited for him to get there. Well, that's the good thing. Because the meeting don't start until LT get there. He said, no, I just waited for him to get there. Well, that's the good thing. Because the meeting don't start until LT get there. I mean, what are we talking about here? Like, that's, I was like, what? It's like, now, Ocho, guys, you got an opportunity to see Tom Brady. If you're old enough, you get an opportunity to see Tom Brady.

If you weren't old enough, you didn't see Joe and those come-from-behind victories, and you didn't see Elway and Marino and Plate. So I don't think people realize, because they see T.J. Watt and they see Aaron. Think about it. This man won the MVP of the league as a defensive player. Of the league.

Different, man. He was LT. what was LT? Like a 10-time All-Pro. Like eight or nine first team. Do you know how hard it is to beat that? A first team. I think Brady has three first team All-Pros. Those are the seasons that he won the MVP.

Let that sink in for a second. Aaron Donald was, I think, an eight-time first-team All-Pro in 10 seasons. I think LT had that many, but LT had like, I think he went like six or seven in a row. Carl Banks, somebody beat him out, and then he went to another two or three.

How many first-team All-Pros did LT have? Eight first-team? How many consecutive? Seven? He was many first-team All-Pros did LT have? Eight first-team? How many consecutive? Seven? He was eight first-team, and how many second-team? One or two. But look, Abdul, I think you're going to be a phenomenal player.

Go strike, y'all. Go get y'all. Go build your own legacy. Because you're there. I mean, think about it. I don't care what corner. You think Joe Brown going to go to New England and say, hey, let me get that 12? But, Shannon,

we shouldn't even be talking about this. And the Giants should be like, man, you can't have that number. Yeah. Hey, listen. Hey, GP. You can't even have that number. GP, listen. Hey, GP.

GP, in that media market, you know how New York media is. You know they don't play. You don't play. Hey, listen. You don that 56 and understand what comes behind that or even having it on? That man is beloved.

Listen. You know how I am,'m and you know how I am GP you know how I am I don't care what nobody say especially the media cause I'm a hacker fool

but I I wouldn't even I'm just saying if hypothetically speaking I don't want what come behind that 56 when it

every Sunday at 1 o'clock uh uh no like I said they shouldn't even think about giving it to me man don't hit man this your church man this ain't your locker you you already got it hanging up GP No, sir. Like I said, they shouldn't even think about giving it to me. Man, go on here, man.

This your jersey, man. This ain't your locker. You already got to hang it up, GP. Just hang his jersey up in his locker room and say, you got to let him. It is what it is, man. Don't even come to my office and talk about 56. And then I send LT and bring him to the thing and say, boy, you know better than that. I don't do that.

You know what I'm saying? Say that. Let's talk. LT good. LT is like, yeah, I appreciate it, but no. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, you've been around LT. I've been around LT.

I don't know how much you've been around LT, Ochoa. But he'll cool do it. Hey, no. Hey, hold on. Hold on. Hey, that's a good one. Me and LT, we be at Twin Peaks. I'm saying you can see the pictures.

I see him all the time. He coming off the golf course. Yes, okay. Okay with you. Coming there, smoking cigar with his buddies. Yeah. That's him. That's him.

That's all he want to do is golf and smoke them cigars. And I see him in about two weeks. It's true. And Anthony Anderson is a golf benefit, man. So, yeah. Yep. I see him all the time with the signage and everything. That's my guy. So, you know what I all the time. With the signage and everything. That's my guy.

So you know what I'm saying, man, LT ain't worried about that. LT, we're going to tell that boy you ain't going to never compare to me. Everybody got to understand, put your name or your picture next to me.

If you can't, there ain't going to never be another LT. I don't give nobody's sake. You know what I'm saying, just put your picture next to us and we'd be good. Yeah. You know, the John should even put him in that situation. All right Right You know what I'm saying Just put your picture next to us And we be good Yeah

You know The Giants Shouldn't even put him In that situation Alright You know what I do like Before we go Before you go

I just want to say this About Abdul Carter You know what I do like though GP and Unc Yeah Oh I love that Yeah There's something in players

That they don't have That we had back in the day GP You talked about it earlier You know as far as Supporting cash you know, role players and all that. Young Bull got confidence. Yeah, he do. For the mere fact he even had the gall and the ball to say,

I want to get him sick. Think about this, Ocho. What did that tell you? What did that tell you about him? Aaron Donald won three defensive players a year. So did J.J. Watt. And ain't nobody said they're better than LT. And we're watching them in this era.

So now remember now, when LT played, they didn't throw the football like they throw it now. He didn't have the chances to go out to hunt the quarterback like they do now. They put a special, Joe Gibbs put a special offense in just to deal with LT. He put the H back in. He said,

I want to put somebody over here with the left tackle so they can help on LT. Help him out. Help him out, yeah. That's when you know, when they put it, when they design a special offense

to deal with you, if you couldn't block him, you couldn't beat the Giants. Go back and look at the 80s and look at the left tackles that got drafted in the first round. Jim Lachey, and they go get Herb Eatman, they go get Gary Zimmerman, they get Steve Wallace. Go back and look and see what they did just to deal with this man.

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