Nightcap - Nightcap Draft Recap - Part 2: Shedeur Sanders Drafted by Browns + Abdul Carter joins

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Shedeur Sanders being drafted by the Cleveland Browns in the 2025 NFL Draft, Abdul Carter joining after being selected by the New York Giants, Travis Hunter's fit with the Jacksonville Jaguars, and much more!01:41 - Shedeur Sanders drafted on day three23:16 - Jags are gonna let Travis Hunter play both sides28:00 - Warren Moon unretires his number for Cam Ward33:48 - Abdul Carter joins the show live at the draft44:47 - Sterling Sharpe, Unc, and Ocho talk Shedeur’s drop in the draft (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran-Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Volume. Shador Sanders is drafted. 144 in the fifth round. The Browns traded up to select him. All these anonymous reports

are coming out about Shador having bad interviews, especially with the Giants. According to Todd McShay, Shador completely bombed his interview with the Giants. He didn't have a great interview with head coach Brian Dayball.

The preparation wasn't there for an install package. Dayball called him out and Sanders didn't like it. Dayball has gone 8-26 over the past two seasons, so he probably knows a thing or two about being unprepared, to be honest with you. I mean, you go 8-26 being unprepared. You are no unprepared person when you see one, considering over the last two years that's kind of exactly what you've been.

And then there's been reports of him having a big entourage because his brother shoots videos of him being in family. He's with his brother and his family. No drinking, no drugs, no controversy. Just living his life. Ocho, I'm going to start with you first.

Yeah. Hear that he didn't do well in the interview. Yeah. He didn't hit it off with Coach Dayball and seemed like he was unprepared. Didn't like the entourage. Okay, go ahead. Right. I don't believe it, huh?

I don't believe it because every single NFL player, every single, when I say every single, I mean every single has an entourage. Most of the entourages is family and friends. If there's not family and friends, it's friends that you grew up with. Everybody has that. So I'm not sure why that even came into play. And we talk about everybody, regardless of race, regardless of ethnicity. It doesn't matter.

So that's one thing. Interview. Interview goes bad. I'm thinking about a son of one of the greatest players of all time who's always been prepared and coached and having tutelage from one of the best of all time. in which he's the quarterback. Again, that's something else that's not believable. Now, you know, media can screw things and report things that obviously aren't true. Bingo. Forget that. So he drops to the Cleveland Browns. Round five, what, pick 144?

What was it, 145? 144. I'm not even tripping at this point. I'm not even tripping at this point because prime obviously is prepared to do it for any and everything dealing with media dealing with with with those that doubt you so i'm just happy he has this opportunity because what's happening in this scenario in this situation in which i still believe is collusion i'm not talking about race i'm not talking about race at all i'm just speaking i'm just saying a collective collusion. I'm not talking about race. I'm not talking about race at all. I'm just saying a collective collusion against Brother Sanders and all the things, and then just the hype.

Listen, the machine, again, I said it last night. I said it last night. We have choices. People choose what they want to see. I said it yesterday. I'm not talking about race at all. One thing for sure, the machine is undefeated and will always remain undefeated. Anytime it feels not really threatened, but there's another name or family that think they can come in and do things their way, they'll humble you. And this was an example of it, an example example of that we've never ever ever seen before to this magnitude on we've never seen anything like this no i'm happy for chador i'm happy for shiloh and for chador sanders getting the opportunity to play for the cleveland browns his situation is simple as put it's delayed but it's not denied it's not about where you go it's what you do once you get there so now you know what you need to do.

The Browns haven't had a quarterback. They haven't had a quarterback, a sufficient quarterback, a consistent quarterback for... Bernie Kosar. Yeah, since Bernie, for a very long time. This might be their calling.

This might be their blessing. This might be his blessing even going there. So I'm happy for him. He's going to do what's necessary. I'm sure he had the chip on his shoulder. And I'm excited because in that, in that AFC North,

you know, it run through Cincinnati. And the only way you're going to get it done is you got a quarterback. I just had to add a little piece in there. I saw that. I saw you throw that in there. Did you take it, Tuan?

Honestly, man, guys, to be honest with you, I mean, I feel for him. Obviously, you think, Twan? Honestly, man, guys, to be honest with you, I mean, I feel for him. Obviously, you know,

you work so hard and it's tough when you project to go first round. I had a situation once. It's not, obviously not the same because basketball

is totally different as far as the number of people that get picked. But I was with my best friend, Nazi Muhammad, was supposed to be

picked lottery when he came out. And Nas slid to 29 and just sitting there, obviously it was nothing like, you had to actually wait a whole nother day to get drafted.

Two days. But just to see him slide, huh? You waited two days. He got drafted today. Yeah. They had to draft from the other side.

You had to wait two days. So it's different. But I think like this, to be honest with you, I think you have to play the game, Shannon, to be honest with you. I think if he would play the game, Shannon, to be honest with you. I think if he would have played, I'm just going to play the game

until I get drafted. Whatever that would have been, whatever. And I think sometimes that's what not, and I'm not sure this, and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, because it seems like, I've never seen an agent. And obviously I'm watching from afar. I'm watching on TV, on social media. Do we have an agent?

I don't know. I bet Shiloh made a joke talking about our dad was our agent and we might need to hire a new agent. Okay, I don't know. Because I think you know how this is. Sometimes you have an agent, he can tell you the truth

behind closed doors on what they're actually saying and what you need to work on. So by the end of the day, he's probably not really hearing everything. They probably can't tell him. So he's not hearing everything that they're saying. So I think that was probably one mistake,

and I don't know if he had an agent or not. So if the agent, to kind of buffer that, to talk to him and kind of figure it out. But you got to figure this thing out, man. I think one thing about it, it was about interview. I don't think it's skill set. I mean, he put the numbers up. The numbers speak for themselves. You have the numbers.

So we got to look at some of the other stuff. I mean, I worked out for nine teams when I came out. I interviewed with nine teams. So you got to go through that process. I'm not sure how he interviewed. Maybe that was a little sketchy. That can rub some GMs and execs the wrong way. You know,

sometimes if you don't interview well. Maybe the swagger, what he's coming with. Great family. Family dynamics. His family's going to support him. Obviously, he has a certain swag, a certain aura that he carries with him, which we all love.

And we just talked about that. We like that. All three of us talk trash. We all celebrate it. We all, all three of us talk trash. We all celebrate it. We all have fun. So we know that. So that's not the problem. We brought our own style.

So that wasn't a problem with them. I just felt like they didn't play the game that everybody else played. And they wanted to show them that, look, it's still the NFL. We still run this. You still got to go through this proper pecking order. And I think that's what it looks like. You can't look at it. If you look at his numbers, the skill of them, the guys that got picked before him, all this stuff, it doesn't make sense.

Right. So it's got to be something behind the scenes. It can't be football ability. It has to be something behind the scenes. That's why I said if he had an agent, maybe somebody that could hear the noise because he probably didn't hear the real noise. Correct. You know what I mean?

We all TV watching all the analysts and everybody, but, you know, y'all privy to so much information. Y'all only privy to so much. We're not hearing that real noise.

You know what I mean? So that's what, in some sense, your agent gets there for you to kind of help you out and maybe help you get your act together. That's why I really wanted to know

if he had an agent. But then, you know, the funny thing about it, Tuan, even at that maybe help you get your act together. That's why I really wanted to know if he had an agent. But then, you know, the funny thing about it, Tuan, even at that point, you are who you are. Shador is who he is. The Sanders family, they are who they are.

That's it. And they've always been unapologetically themselves. And that rubs a lot of people wrong. A lot of people don't like that, including some of those in the NFL. Some of the things that Deion has said in the past, they probably didn't like. They people don't like that including some of those in the nfl some of the things that diana said in the past they probably didn't like they probably didn't like it you know he wanted to pull an archie and eli archie manning he wanted to pull you know but eli that probably

they probably didn't like it they quote tweets that he said a long time ago and i know let me tell you why i know this is all collusion. You know, I think about some, like, you know what, I'm not even going to bring that up. I'm not going to bring it up. I'm happy he got where he needed to go. This is exactly where we're supposed to land because I guarantee you, watch, it be a blessing in disguise

and them never having a quarterback and all of a sudden, for some reason, Shador being the answer for the next decade. Hope you're right. Can I ask you guys something? I'm a basketball guy. I want to ask you something, Chad. You can ask this because you're talking right now.

Can you ask this, is Cleveland the right fit for him? Because sometimes, disregard what number he went, did he go to a good situation where he can actually be able to showcase himself and have a real opportunity to be a starting quarterback in the nfl do you guys like that situation if the gm and the owners are competent when his time comes to be able to compete for a starting job um if they continue to build around them yes it's the right place if they continue to do right by the quarterback position like other teams are doing like they do for the mahomes and

they do for the jaylen hurts and they do for you know the other quarterbacks the jayden daniels as you continue to put the pieces to the puzzle around him why you have a quarterback on a very very cheap i hate using that word cheap but you have a quarterback on a very, very cheap, I hate using that word cheap, but you know, a very affordable contract. Rookie contract. Yeah, I think

he's in the right place. But if they do what they've always done for a very long time, where they've been through 276,000 quarterbacks, then it would be the same process would repeat itself.

They had Baker Mayfield. He had the number one pick. There was nothing wrong with Baker Mayfield because look what he's doing in Tampa Bay. So that tells you where the problem lies. The problem lies with Cleveland internally. Now you got an opportunity again.

Let's not F it up. Yeah, I do. I love when young quarterbacks come in and have an unbelievable support system. Hopefully you have somebody that's really smart schematically, knows how to diagram plays, knows how to put quarterbacks in the right situation. You have a decent running back. I'm not saying you need Saquon. I mean, although that would be nice to have a Saquon Barkley and a Derrick Henry on a rookie quarterback. But you need quality receivers. You see C.J see CJ Stroud where he went and had success.

Look at the receiving court that he had. You look at Jane Daniels, look at the receiving court that he had. The question is, are there enough pieces around any quarterback for regardless if it's a rookie or not? Is there enough pieces around him so he can adequately do what he needs to get done? I think Stefanowski is an unbelievable coach. He's a coach of the year. He knows how to call plays. He knows how to call plays.

He knows how to scheme plays. And so now it just comes down to, okay, when you get your opportunity, you got to shine. You got to prepare like there's no tomorrow. Because that's already out there, Ocho. You see what they're saying? He was unprepared. You see what they did, Ocho?

See, we already put that out there on you now. Hey, that's the game, huh? They're going to play the game. They're going to play the game. There's only one way you can's the game, huh? They're going to play the game. They're going to play the game. There's only one way you can beat the game, huh? That's in between the lines. Yeah.

No matter what they say, it blocks out all the noise. You can only beat the game in between the lines. That's it. No matter what they say. But I will say this, Ocho. I don't know if they're going

to allow Bucky to go in and film everything that Shador is doing. That's over. That's over. Now, when you're in Colorado and your dad's the head coach, they're going to allow that.

That's over with now. Yeah, I mean, they understand that. But I thought he was the video guy. I thought he's the video guy. No, you ain't going to have no personal video guy. Yeah, you can't do that. Once you enter that building, once you're on grounds in that facility,

all that's done. Yeah. And so, yeah. And so that's having an entourage. Yeah. And like I said, I don't know. I don't know if he went to the building and they tried to go in the meeting rooms and Bucky was trying to capture content. He doesn't have an agent because Time's agent was Eugene Parker.

Rest his soul. Eugene passed away several years ago. And so, I'm sure Time will probably interview somebody now. And I agree with you,

Antoine, probably. And that's the thing. Because you have an agent and they hear things and they can tell you things. Now, they're going to, all the really, really bad stuff,

they ain't going to share that with you because they don't want to mess with you mentally. Yeah. But they'll share enough of stuff with you so you get the picture and get a great understanding of what's actually going on. So, go ahead. Hey, if I'm not mistaken,

so, you know, obviously my agent was, obviously when I first got in the league, Jerome Stanley, phenomenal dude, did really well for me. You know, in the back end of my career, in I first got in the league it was Jerome Stanley. Phenomenal dude. Did really well for me. You know, in the back end of my career, in the middle, on the back end,

it was Drew Rosenhaus. And if I'm not mistaken, I saw Drew Rosenhaus post for Shiloh Sanders once he got drafted. So I'm assuming Drew Rosenhaus must be representing Shiloh.

Yeah. I'm not sure if he represents Shador, though. Right. I get it. Because, okay, the current quarterback room, Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel, Shador Sanders. Deshaun Watson, though. Right. I get it. Because, okay, the current quarterback room, Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco,

Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel, Shador Sanders. Deshaun Watson, starter. Flacco is a vet if Deshaun can't go. You got Kenny Pickett, the backup. Dylan Gabriel, rookie. Shador, rookie. Fifth. What's going on?

I mean, damn. What's really going on? What's really going on, Ocho? Hey, I like to compete. I ain't, Ocho? Hey, I like to compete. I ain't got no problem with it. I like to compete. Who I need to beat out? I love Kenny Pickett.

I don't know how you beat Deshaun out when he got another $48 million this year and another $40 million next year. How you beat him out? Deshaun not playing this year. Okay, he's not going to play this year. Okay, so now you got... They got ACM.

ACM. Yeah, yeah. Ach got... They got ACL, right? ACL. Yeah, yeah. Achilles. Achilles. Achilles. Achilles. Yeah, so listen.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, Achilles. I'm going to tell you how it's going to play out. How it's going to play out. I love Kenny Pickett. I love Kenny Pickett. I love that, you know, brother Gabriel. But Shador, if he does what he's supposed to do,

you know, we've seen Kenny Pickett already. We haven't seen Dylan Gabriel yet, but I'm just saying, I know probably Flacco's going to start. He's going to start. At some point, Shador's going to get a shot. At some point, he's going to get that shot. Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles, break free from the chains of trauma, and silence the negative voices that have kept them small.

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They're going to keep three. Oh, okay. Because Deshaun is not playing. I keep forgetting he's not playing. He's not playing until like January or February or something like that. You're right. I forgot.

You might as well just go ahead and put him on IR and go ahead and let that go. What I don't get, Cleveland, at some point in time, y'all got to stop trading back. Y'all could have had Julio Jones. You traded back. You could have had Travis Hunter and Shador, and you traded back. At some point in time, when guys are sitting there waiting for you to take them,

take them. Right. Take them. It's okay. But I guess they're looking at it like we're more than one player away but sometimes that player could help change things around um i i don't i don't get it i don't get what they're doing um with this situation uh like you said twan he had an unbelievable college career um he played well at jackson state and then they said, well, yes, Jackson State, that's why you're doing that.

He goes to Colorado. He puts up some exceptional numbers. You know, great completion percentage. He throws guys open. No, he's not the most athletic guy, but he's not a decathlete. He don't need to high jump, long jump, pole vault, shot put, hurdle, 100, 400, 15, they don't need to do all that. All he needs to do, can he take three?

Can he drop back five? Can he zone read? Can he do the stuff? Can he process information in a hurry? That's what a quarterback needs. He needs to be confident. He needs to be able to process information in a hurry, and he needs to be able to retain information.

I mean, he's shown you he can do that ever since he's, I mean, from middle school to high school to college. So let's see if that's transferable. I like to think that it is, but you don't know. Twy, you know this. Same thing with all sports. You don't know what you have in a guy until you get him in your building and put him in your

uniform. That's when you 100% know for certain what the hell I got. Because all this other stuff, well, he won this award and he did all this and he did all of that. And I've seen it. Having played in the NFL, guys come in and have all these credentials

and I'm like, I don't know how they, hey, somebody gave you a fake passport. Because I don't know how you get all that. I don't know how you get all that. Let me ask you guys in football, is it about the number or is it more about the fit? Fit. It's always going to be fit.

It's always going to be fit. Always. Do you guys think this is... So if you had to grade this fit, what would you guys go? Right now, I know you got to go compete. I like New Orleans. If you had to grade this fit go compete. I like New Orleans.

I would have liked New Orleans a little better. I would like New Orleans better too. The thing is now, because to what I was telling Ocho last night, is that I went to a team, I was a big wide receiver. I went to one of the three teams that had the H-back position. Washington had the H-back position.

The Broncos had the H-back position. Washington had the H-back position. The Broncos had the H-back position. And the Chargers, San Diego, they were in San Diego then, had the H-back position. Every tight end on the roster got hurt. I'm the biggest receiver. Coach Reeves come in, hey, would you be willing to move the H-back?

I'm going to catch the ball? Yeah, if you learn to play, it's okay. So now, here I am, a big wide receiver. Imagine I don't go to a team that has the H-back position. So I switch midway through, like a third of the way. I have probably like week eight, week nine, week 10. They move me to like tight end. Ta-da.

And the rest of that, they say history. So it's absolutely where you go. I get it. Because a lot of times, Tuan, you know this, first four or five picks, they get a boatload of money. Now, you want to make a boatload of money for a short period of time or an extended period of time? Because I had a 14-year career. There are a lot of guys that went in the first round, Ocho.

They made money for a three-, four-year period. I made money for a 14-year period. It's not how much money you make, it's how long you make money. And then what are you going to do? It's not how much money you make, it's how much you keep. So it's absolutely, Twan, fit where you go. That fit.

And what they do for you while you're there. And it's better for him, too, though. He's made a little money in the NIL space, too. Had he known what he'd known, he'd have stayed in college and made some more NIL money. He's like, hell, if y'all going to take me to the field ground, he made more NIL. And what, his rookie contract going to be Ocho? Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow.

That is right. Wow. Listen, I think the situation in general is good for him. It puts a chip on his shoulder. Oh, this is how you feel about me? Okay, bet. Hold my beer. I got this.

Watch me. Listen, I've faced adversity before. I've had to hurdle obstacles before. This is just another one that's in the way. I'm going to show you. I'm going to prove to you that I'm worthy of doing all the things you said I can't. Oh, you feel I'm a fifth round pick? I mean, I'm a fifth rounder? Okay.

I'm not tripping. The Jaguars are 100% committed to Travis Hunter letting him play wide receiver and corner. They told him, you got a bold vision, and we got a bold vision for you. Yeah. Ocho? Yeah. What you thinking? I like what you

mean what I'm thinking. I'm thinking Duvall. Man, I like it. I like it. Listen, he said it not only during the interview process, allowing him to do what he has dreamed of and been working on the entirety of his career so far. I mean, far as collegiate-wise, he said he has a belief and believes.

He believes. That's the one thing that you need in anything that you do, regardless of whether it's the corporate world or whether it's sports i if i believe i can do it i can achieve it you and i we have different beliefs on whether you can do it at this level but we're going to find out now we're going to find out if you can play both sides of the ball i like the fact that the owners the gms and everyone else inside that that lock that locker room are going to allow him to do exactly what he did in college. To what extent, I'm not sure. To what extent, I'm not sure.

I think they gave a brief press conference on ways they can figure out on how to do it. I'm just excited, man. I'm happy for Trav. I'm happy for the Jaguars. I'm happy for the fans in that city, especially the city itself, man. They got a good one. He's going to put some butts in the seats, and he's going to make it exciting for the next decade.

I got a question for you guys. Just, you know, as football guys, just honestly, if you guys know how talented he is and how good he is, which one he's best at? Which one do you think he can be the— which one do you think he can be great at? I know you don't want, it's hard to pick one side, but I'm pretty sure he's better than one side than the other.

And me, I like him at DB. I do too. Yeah, I like him. Because I think he has incredible instincts. I think his instincts are crazy. The way he can see his recognition, to see this and diagnose it,

and that's what the really great corners can do, Tuan, is that they can see a formation, they'll see a split, and they'll know automatically what's coming. So I look at this split. I look at these two receivers over here. I might take a glance over there. I go, okay, I got something for y'all. Run it if you want to.

Run it if you want to. Try to run me off deep and try to run this sale around here behind me and watch what I do to it. I think he has unbelievable instincts, unbelievable recognition, and you build a package around him. And remember, we talked about Brian Thomas Jr. Yeah. There.

He's a lot better than Brian Thomas Jr. No, no, no. He's not. No, no, no, no. He's not. No, no, no, no. He's phenomenal. Brian Thomas Jr., he that guy. Listen, Brian Thomas Jr. is one of those receivers that will probably be a top five receiver.

Maybe, maybe after this year, he's that good. Yeah. Out of LSU. You already know what LSU produced. Yeah. He wanted them ones. Well, he's probably in the third down package, right? See, people, when Ocho and I, we try to explain to people,

yeah, build a package. You know, you have a third down package or you have a specialty package, a group of plays that you feel comfortable with him. Maybe it's in the red zone. Maybe it's in certain areas of the field, certain situations. But people are like, no, just let him play as much as he want to play. No, no, no.

Okay. You can't run him into the ground. You want him to play and make sure he's efficient on both sides of the ball. Yes. You want him to be efficient. Can he handle that physicality? Is his body makeup ready for that physicality?

There's the mental approach. Because you got to study. I mean, like I said, okay, we're saying one thing, Ocho, about route recognition at the DB. But you have to understand also, you have to understand coverages from a wide receiver perspective. You have to understand.

So, let's just say, for the sake of argument, you play in Miami. Okay, you guard Tyreek for 10, 12 plays, and now you've got to go up against Jalen Ramsey. Okay? You know what I'm saying? You guard Zane Flowers, and you guard Bashar Bateman, and then you've got to go up against Marlon Humphrey and Wiggins.

So, you know, you've to be, because, look, there are very few teams in college that had an elite corner and an elite DB. You're going to get it every week now. You'll get it every week. Even if the guys aren't certain, they're really good.

So now, you got Nico, and now you got Darryl Stingley, and you got Stingley. Ooh, that's a nasty combo. I understand what you're saying, yeah. I understand, yeah. Ain't no nights off. I'm sorry.

Ain't no Sundays off. I'm sorry. Well, Sunday and Monday. Oh, Joe, Joe. Warren Moon personally unretired the number one for Cam Ward, Pro Football Hall of Famer. Warren Moon, currently the only black quarterback in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, gave up his famous number one.

Yeah. Gave his blessing and allowed Cam Ward to wear the jersey, previously retired by the Titans. Recently said it would consider giving this blessing to Ward to ward the digit. I'm thinking about it, said Moon, when asked if he would allow permission to give Ward the number to Ward. Should Warren have felt pressure to do this, Ocho?

I wouldn't say pressure, but Cam Ward is special. Cam Ward is a special player. Obviously, he's coming to the Titans. And why not continue that legacy? Why not continue that legacy that Warren Moon set, you know, when he was there and allow Cam to carry that torch on, you know, wearing the number one as a new franchise quarterback, hopefully for the next decade or so?

I like it. It's a dope move. It's a dope move. Joe. I wonder if Cam even knew. You think Cam knew? Yeah, hell yeah. Okay, okay.

That would have been a dope surprise. Let me ask you this. I want't have Cam even knew. You think Cam knew? Yeah. Okay, okay. That would have been a dope surprise. But let me ask you this. I want to ask Joe. Joe, you got your number retired. Somebody come in and they want to wear that. They want to wear Joe. They want to wear that. What you doing, Joe? Yeah, I'm doing it. It's special. You know what I mean? He's number

one pick. He's been wearing the number one. Shout out to OG for you know taking out the rafters letting young boy uh take off with it yeah i ain't i mean i don't got ego when it comes to that hold on hold on uncle joe we ain't just giving anybody that number you got to be that boy yeah and cam ward is that boy so it's understandable that's someone you know what majority majority number retired but for him yeah oh yeah i'm good i really i relinquish that absolutely joe you have seven numbers were you always seven joe

nah man i wore number what you weren't seven in phoenix nah i wasn't look i wore uh i just i just got seven when I got to Brooklyn, but coming up, like, through junior high, high school, and college,

I wore number 24. So when I got to the pros, I got drafted by Boston. They ain't got no numbers. Yeah, every number, they got big numbers. 44,

55, 34. You can't get no single digit number. 24, I have to question. Man, they got so many numbers retired.

So, look, the only number they had that I could get was 31. So, I rocked with 31. Yeah, you had Cornbread Maxwell jersey. Yeah, that's my guy, Cornbread. And look, I'm in the rafters out there at Boston, baby. 31. When I get traded to Phoenix, I'm trying to get 24, but I'm playing with Tom Gugliotta. Tom Gugliotta got 24.

So, I ain't even asking for that two-fold. You can go and keep it. Right. I'm just with Tom Gugliotta. Tom Gugliotta got 24, so I ain't even asking for that two-fold. You can go and keep it. Right. I'm just gonna roll with this two. So I've been rocking with number two all the way through Atlanta, and then when I got to Brooklyn, I just changed it up and went to seven. Okay. Yeah. I'm like, damn, Joe, Joe had about, hey, they couldn't find Joe. They're like, what Joe?

Joe, you do? You available? 24, 31? Right. Hey, listen, man. I wanted one of them single digits in Boston. When we get drafted, I'm like, okay, what number can I get? Can I get number 24? They started showing me all the numbers that was retired.

I'm like. Oh, no. They got Sam Jones, Casey Jones, Heinsohn, Russell, Bird, Dennis Johnson. They got Bob Cousy. They got Bill Sharman. Hey, look, they didn't retire so many numbers. I said, man, they got Double Zero retired. They got, what's it called, retired? They got Kevin McHale.

Yeah, they got Double Zero, 32, 33. I think Dennis Johnson, I think DJ was three. Yeah, he was. Yeah, they got DJ. I think Dennis Johnson, I think DJ was three. Yeah, he was. Yeah, they got DJ. Yeah, they got DJ retired. They got Sam Jones, Casey Jones, Hamlet Check, Cowans. So anytime y'all on the Boston

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Did you have an idea that it could possibly be the Giants? Yeah, I definitely had a good feeling. I usually trust my gut. My gut said New York. My parents wanted me to go to New York, so I'm a New York Giant. Hey. This, you had a journey. You wanted to go play college football.

That was your dream. Probably Penn State was your dream college situation. Now it's a different journey. Your journey to to get here now the journey starts all over again to be great here what has prepared you for this moment yeah I have to start with my dad just him training me my whole life teaching me everything I know a lot of work I put in all the sacrifices they made for me and now it all starts again I'm back to work, back grinding. I'm ready to get started. I like that. I got you.

I'm thinking about rookie year coming in, setting short-term goals. What would your short-term goals be coming in to be a New York Giant? What would you set so far? I haven't written anything down yet, but I'm definitely going to get some goals I want to accomplish. I'm usually like, I'm big on that, writing down my goals, chasing them. But I'm definitely going to think about some things tonight. You go to the Giants.

Giants have always had really good defenses. Kayvon Thibodeau on one side. You got Big Lawrence in the middle. Now you on the other side. Have you thought about what it's going to be like, that front four, that front seven, trying to attack the quarterbacks in that division? You got the Washington Commanders. You got Jalen Hurst, the Super Bowl defending champ,

Giants, with Saquon Barkley and those talented wide receivers out there. And you got the Dallas Cowboys, Dak Prescott, C.D. Lamb. Jerry says he has some trades up his sleeve. We haven't seen it yet. Have you thought about what your defense is going to look like when you go out there, your first OTAs coming up? Yeah, for sure, bro. First, I just want to

meet those guys, get to know them as men, develop a relationship as a teammate. And once I do that, we're going to hit the field. Let's create a habit. You do realize now, you followed the guy. You weren't at number 11. You got to be a hell raiser. You put that jersey on at Penn State for a reason.

Now, the last guy that came out of Penn State that wore that jersey, he was a defensive rookie of the year. Have you said, you know, I'm sure you guys have healthy competition. Like, hey, you got it, I'm going to get it too. Yeah. So what's your expectation? That award,

would you like to, obviously you'd like to win it, but have you thought that far in advance what it would mean for you to go out there and have that type of season? If I do everything

I was supposed to do, pick the work in first, all that's going to come with it. You're going to take it out of the shell. Yeah, rookie of the year, I want to be all, I want to do it all,

but at the end of the day, my main goal, I want to win. It's going to help my team win. Has it sunk in yet? Has it sunk in yet? Yeah, for sure not. Not yet? It's going to hit you.

Yeah, for sure. It's going to hit you. When you were a kid, you say your dad has trained you your whole life, and you trained a lifetime, you prepared a lifetime for this moment. So you're sitting back there. You know you're going early. the lifetime for this moment so you're sitting back there you know you're going early you just don't know where you're going it could be cleveland it could be the giants you don't know but you know i'm going early it's not gonna be a long hey mom hey don't worry about it guys we're gonna be out here in 20 minutes i promise you

20 30 tops i might not be 20 but 30 times are we done if it was more nervous to me but i i had a pretty good feeling where i was going to go. So, right. I'm happy to be a New York giant. Go big blue. And that's dope. That's dope. So now you get,

obviously you're headed up there as soon as you, soon as you leave us, you're going to head up there, go around and meet the coaching staff, you know, meet the ownership, meet general manager. Probably,

I don't know how long you're going to be up there. You're going to look for a place while you're up there, or you're going to have that kind of time? Yeah, we're going to have to figure all that out. But I really just want to go back, celebrate with my parents, my mom, my dad, get them another hug, and celebrate this moment. When you get back home, where are you from? I'm from Philly.

Oh, you're off. I'm on New York, though. I'm on New York. You're on New York. Yeah. When you get back home in Philly, all your family, friends, and loved ones that have known Abdul Carter his entire life, what is that moment going to be like when you get with all your family,

friends, and loved ones, and they get an opportunity to celebrate with you because it takes abilities to raise that Abdul Carter? I can't wait. I'm real thankful for them. Everybody who helped me get to this moment. And I can't wait to give back just knowing everybody that helped me get here, all the sacrifices people made. But, I mean, I was talking to Ocho.

I said, Ocho, even Poms ain't stop. He's the answer to let you out, dude. We all do. Hey, give me some ice while you at it. Did the Poms got a grill, too? No, he don't got the grill, but he got the Adidas chain on. Yeah, he got it. Okay.

You're looking good. I know your mom. Your mom was like, she was really emotional back there. I saw her. I think that was your sister with her also, right? That's me. And she was like, I'm looking at your mom, and she was like, ooh, relieved. Yeah.

I'm sure she did a lot of praying for this moment. Yeah, seeing her happy, seeing her proud of me, that's my heart. Nothing gives me more joy. Nothing makes me more happy seeing her happy for me. I like that. I just thought about all the obstacles, all the adversity, especially as your parents go through all the sacrifices they make to get

to this point, to actually repay them back and actually making it, man. Congratulations to you. Congratulations to you and the family. I wish you nothing but love and love, man. I appreciate you. You know you're going to get a big old check. That first check will be big. What's the first thing you're going to do?

I got to take care of my people first. Give my mom and dad something nice. I'm definitely going to get me something nice to treat myself. So when you get something nice, you're talking about a vehicle. You will get another piece of ice. What you looking at? Probably a vehicle. What's your dream vehicle?

Probably something more low-key. I already had my dream. My first car was my dream car. What was it? What was that? A Tesla Model X. The X-Plan or just regular? Man, stop trying on me, man.

What you finna get, man? Stop talking about the Tesla. We'll see what happens. I want something more low-key, stay out of the way. Okay, okay. Oh, so you're trying to look for a slide, huh? Yeah. So, but what, I mean, what do your mom and dad want?

Do they want a new crib? Do they want vehicles? I mean, what do they want? Have you asked them? Have you thought about it? They getting whatever they want. That's all me. Yeah, I like that.

I like that. What do you want your sis? Whatever she want They getting whatever they want. It's all me. Yeah, I like that. I like that. What you want your sis? Whatever she want. It's all you. It's all me. I want, you know what I want? No, not you, not you, not you. Wait, wait, wait.

Slide your uncle's jersey or something. Maybe something. I can get y'all a jersey for sure. I just want a coupon from McDonald's. We'll see. I don't think I want 11, but there's a number I got. Does anybody have it?

You know you might have to get a brand if somebody got it. So who got 11? He said he don't want 11. 11 was a Penn State thing. You got to keep that thing going, boy. I want something new. Double zero. It's a plus.

Michael 11. I ain't finna do that. I did that at Penn State. Double zero. Double zero. It's a plus. Michael 11. I ain't finna do that. I did that at Penn State. We kept that lineage going. Now it's time for Abdul. You got to go single digit, though. No, it's a double digit. It's a double digit?

Yeah. This retired, though, but we'll see. I got to have some karma teeth. As long as it ain't 56, you might can get it. But if it's 56, I don't know if you can get that one now. I love to hear that. Love to hear that. Oh, you want to follow LT?

Well, we'll see what happens. And you do that on the big show field. Hell yeah. I'll fill big shoes before I do it again. Okay, okay. I like that. Because when they talk about the best defensive players ever, you never go past LT.

You hear a lot of people say, we talk about wide receivers. It might be Randy. It might be just talking about running backs. It might be Randy, it might be running backs, it might be Barry Emmett or Jim Brown or Walter Payton. You go to a lot of different, when it comes to defensive players.

That's the goal. He don't even go by real name, he go by initials. LT. Bad Abdul, man, I'm so proud of you, man. I've been watching your tape. I was looking at you at the bowl game, and I was like, man, he just, I mean, he beat these guys with one move, and then it's like,

well, nah, he had his shoulder. His shoulder was messed up. Man, you're real. I mean, you're tremendous at first step. You can turn, translate, speed to power. You can do it. You can bend the edges. You got a great snatch, arm, rip, the pull. How can got a great snatch, arm, rip, the pull.

How can you get better? What does Abdul-Karni need to work on to get better? I think there's a lot of ways I can get better. It was my first year in a new position, so I'm just getting started. The sky's the limit for me. I can just keep getting better. I can play tight end, too.

Oh, you're trying to pull a tryout. You're trying to pull a tryout. You're trying to pull a tryout. I know, I'm just saying, he ain't the only one who can do it, but hey.

So they put you on the gold line, you're going to go catch it? Hell yeah. Put it out there in the universe. That's right.

The Giants. So obviously, when you visited the Giants, you had a great conversation. What made you so sure?

What made you feel comfortable that the Giants was the place that you were probably going to end up? Yeah, I just trusted my gut. My gut told me the Giants, my parents wanted me to go there. Because they're close by. Now they can drive up. They can't just sell up. Anytime they want.

Yeah, so I just felt a good connection with them. They got to know me. I got to know them. It was a perfect fit. I'm a New York Giant. You getting season tickets? For who? Your mom. Mom and dad. They're not going to miss a game for sure. I know them. And plus, when you're Philly, they're going to see, hey,

and Washington is not that far away, so they're going to see you. Everything, right. Yeah. Right there. Close. That's unbelievable. Yes, sir. When you was growing up, did you ever think you'd be a New York Giant?

Fun fact, when I was 12 or 13 years old, I had a dream I got drafted up by the Giants, but it's hard to believe, but I actually had a dream I got drafted here. So you didn't want to be in front of Philly? Your dream wasn't to play for the Eagles? Yeah, but they had pick 32. They would have to trade up. Hey, I'm doing something. I ain't finna hold y'all down when I was trying to be pick 32.

I'm with New York. I'm going to New York. Hey, the third pick in the draft. Hey, you got something on my team. Like, hey, bro. Hey. Hey. I ain't one to brag or glow to the post.

But you know your boy. You're almost going to LeVar. LeVar went two. Yeah, he went two for sure. He went three. Yeah. And, you know, his knees wore out on him. But LeVar, I was in the league when I was kind of at the tail end of my career with LeVar.

He was nice. Yeah. Nice, boy. Yeah. The ace, boy. Yeah. The one thing, you wear that level, you can't put that level on if you ain't no hell raising out you. His son got it now, so we're going to see what he do. But, yeah, all those guys that look out for me, they took me under their wing,

and I'm real thankful for those guys. Yeah. Yeah. That's unbelievable. That's unbelievable, man. I'm so proud of you. I know your family's proud of you. Abdul, man, thanks for coming, bro.

We really appreciate it. Because we know. Yeah, baby, thanks for coming, bro. We really appreciate it because we know you don't pay this thing. Abdul, call the guys. What? Abdul, let me hear you.

All right. Don't forget to eat your McDonald's. I mean, this is your door, man. I think it'll be interesting to see what, you know, social media has to say about Shador falling. No, it'll be interesting if Milrow go before him.

Oh, my gosh. If Milrow go before him. But it's possible. Yes. It's possible. Yes. I mean, it's not yes it's possible yes I mean it's not like it's out of the realm of possibility

this has been a collective effort media GM's owners but a simple fact they allowed so

so is it because his last name's Sanders that's what you're saying? There's no other reason. There's no other reason. Just turn the film on. I want my quarterback confident because if he doesn't

have that, he can't play. I don't care what his skill set is. You gotta have confidence. You gotta be, you just have to believe. Look, in pro sports, you have to believe you the baddest mofo out here. And I'm here for a reason. Now you gotta be mentally strong and not allow the outside noise to get to you. And that's hard, man. That's hard.

And plus, you can't go press now, Ocho. Yeah. I can't show y'all what y'all missed in one game. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but let's look at his... Let's look at the history of those. Let's just say he and Milrow, just to throw out two names.

He's always been the guy. He's always been the guy. He's never been challenged. I'm not saying that's good or bad. I'm just saying he's never had to show you that I'm not saying that's good or bad. I'm just saying he's never had to show you that I am who you think I am or want me to be. Jalen Milrow was about to be a DV. Let me ask you this. If I take Shador and put him at Alabama and I take Milrow and put him at

Colorado, you think Alabama has a better record or a worse record with Shador? I'm going to say a worse record because Shador doesn't run enough or run more. I think with Milrow's legs, and I think he throws it accurately enough in college football for that team to be successful. If Nick Saban is still coaching, no diss on Coach DeBoer. But I just think that when you look at what Nick had him do, he was very good at what Jalen Milrow is. I don't know if Shadur could take an Alabama offense because he doesn't run enough.

College football is all about the legs, man. You got to use those legs. Milrow ain't running in Colorado with that offensive line. No, Melroy would have been running in Colorado with that offensive line. Yeah, he would have been running. He wouldn't have completed 74% of his throws. I know that. He might not have 10 touchdowns behind that offensive line.

I agree with that. I'll agree with that. He'll have 1,000 yards rushing, though. Or 2,000 yards rushing. I kind of disagree a little bit. Where? Obviously, in Alabama. Just say hypothetically, if the players is switch,

there's no Travis Hunter in Alabama. But I think collectively as a group. Williams ain't bad, though. No. No. No, but that's what I'm saying. See, you got to look at how the conference is built. The conference is built.

You see Georgia. You see all the D-line with the edge rush. You got to be able to move a quarterback. Georgia. Ole Miss. I mean, you got to be able to move it. You got to be able to move. If you look at all the quarterbacks in the SEC, they can throw it.

Even if he can't do it with his legs, he's a better thrower of the ball than Nero is. Yeah, but we're going to attack that weakness. See, when you are dual threat, it's hard to attack a weakness because we don't know which one it is. But if you can't run, you're going to be standing back there. Oh, yeah, we're getting to that. Our conference is built on getting to that.

Right. That is an interesting situation, though. If you had to put some money, what do you think you're doing? Now, here's the thing. I'm going with the Rams. I'm staying. The shock is going to be

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