Nightcap - Nightcap - Giants Clock Management + 49ers & Eagles Lose

Episode Date: October 16, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson discuss the Buffalo Bills barely beating the New York Giants, the San Francisco 49ers losing to the Cleveland Browns, the Philadelphia Eagles losing to the New York Jets, and more.  #Club #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to another episode of Nightcap. I am your favorite thump, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85, Chad Ochocinco Johnson. Please hit the button below. Subscribe, the big button on your screen, on your screen to make sure you subscribe, to make sure you're alerted every time that we're on let's jump right into it ocho the bills hang on and beat the giants 14-9 daniel jones without

tyrod taylor came in and acquitted himself very well tonight what was the takeaway from this game my takeaway from the game was obviously the Giants did what they needed to do offensively and defensively, not enough to get the W. Having a chance at the end, obviously clock management, when they had the kicker field before they had. The clock management was very bad before the half. Right. They should have had.

Yeah, because I want to know. I'm thinking the same thing you're thinking. I'm thinking what was the call? Because we saw a similar call earlier this year with Baltimore where they didn't want to snap the ball they ended up snapping and they turned the ball over and they don't get a chance at the field goal because now

instead of trying to throw a touchdown to win the game you kick a field goal and you win the game. So I would like to hear Brian Dayball talk about that. What transpired? And Tyrod what was he thinking? Yeah, I'm not sure what they were thinking, but that one play, one play in a football game,

there's 65 to 70 plays. There are about two or three plays in a game that determine the outcome. And the mess up before the half and not being able to kick a field goal or at least score a touchdown is the reason why it went down to the wire the way it did. Obviously, they weren't able to kick a field goal or at least score a touchdown is the reason why it went down to the wire the way it did.

Obviously, they weren't able to convert and get a touchdown at the end, but it was a good game. It was a good game. And the fact that Daniel Jones wasn't playing, Saquon was back.

Saquon ran the ball extremely, extremely well. I don't have a stat line because the game just said I don't have a stat line. But Tyrod did what he could do and gave the Giants a chance. Yeah.

These coaches got to get out of their own way because all of a sudden now everybody wants to prove that how smart they are and go for it on fourth down. And making it about themselves. We saw this in the Oregon game. He made it about himself. Pump that football. Do not give that ball back to Washington in that

situation. And we keep seeing pete carroll what the hell are you thinking take the field goal your defense is playing really well you could after those first two drives you guys did a number on the bingles deep on the bingles offense yeah take the points there and now you're going down to kick a field goal to win the game instead of getting the ball instead of trying to get a touchdown to win the game, considering how bad you were in the red zone all day long. Right. These coaches, everybody. Well, I'm trying to run time off the clock. And, you know, I don't want to give them the ball back, bro. If you give them the ball back and they go get a touchdown or field goal, get in field goal range with five, six seconds.

Well, you need to put that on your DC. You need to put that on your defensive players to do a better job. But I need to know what Tyra, I need to hear Brian day ball. And I need to hear Tyra Taylor. Explain to me what the thought process was and what the call that came in. Cause there's no way in hell.

I'm running that football. Yeah. Because I already know Ocho. There's only nine seconds, right? You're not going to get another,'m running that football. Yeah. Because I already know, Ocho, there's only nine seconds. Right. You're not going to get another, first of all, down there if they tackle you. You're not going to get another playoff if there's 15 seconds. Right. And actually, before the half, they wouldn't let Tyrod Taylor up anyway.

They wouldn't let him up. No. No, no, no, no. They wouldn't even let him up. They wouldn't let anybody up. And then I also would like to question, I want to ask you, I want to double back to you and ask you in that situation. It reminded me of the Seahawks game.

Obviously with Russell Wilson, you have Marshawn Lynch in the back, but with the Super Bowl on the line, what would you have done in that situation? If you were the ball, would you have actually thrown that or would you hand it off to Saquon

since he had success all game? No, but here's the difference. In the Seattle situation in the Super Bowl, they let the Patriots dictate. What they did is they brought their goal line personnel. I think if I'm not mistaken, they brought in six down linemen. I think they jumped into a 53 front.

Five down linemen. I don't care because guess what? It's only second down, and I still got a timeout to let them go. So if I don't get it i can call time out if i need to i probably won't i'm gonna let the time tick right and now on third down hey see what happened on fourth down if i need that right in these situation coaches are overthinking it analytics department has ruined the game has ruined sports because they said well if you do this you got a 50 chance of losing if you right but it doesn't take into account momentum and

what if all it gives you is like if you go for it here this is what happens if you score here this is what happens right but what about the tide turning what about the momentum in the ball game it doesn't factor in that and so these coaches so these coaches are getting in their own way. I will say this. Darren Waller was interfered with on both of those plays. That was a P.I. at the end. You can't call that twice now. Come on.

I'm going to make him call it. You can't call that twice, though. Not in that situation. Not in that situation. But let me ask you a question. Yes, sir. Did he get held? Yeah.

Yeah. But this is the thing about it, Shannon. This is the thing about it. Listen, the refs could be picky. They could be picky. You know you can call a holding play on every play? Yes. On every play.

Whether it's the linemen, whether it's the DBs, there's always something going on on every play. So there's certain times and certain situations, you just can't throw that flag back to back like that. Allow the Giants. The Giants already got there. They got there. They got there. One.

You got your one. You got your first pass. But did he hope? But see, here's the thing. Here's what my pushback. It's only a one man route. It's right there. The back.

You holding the guy right there in front of the back. It's like, listen, as much as I want the Giants to win that, you can't though. You can't give him that call twice in a row. You can't. You can't do that. Ocho, Ocho, what is giving a call is the call, and we're going to discuss this a little later,

is that what Gibson Jr. got, or Gibson Sr. got in the Cleveland 49ers game. That was a gifted call. Right, right. Because it didn't hit him in the neck. He didn't hit him in his head. He didn't hit anything. And they call unnecessary roughness. In this

situation, the only thing I will say about Waller, they're coming in. You're supposed to sell the run. You got more time than you think. In television, if you read the prompter, they always tell you, I remember when I took classes, even though I didn't think I was going to have to read the prompter, but sometimes tell you. I remember when I started, when I took classes, even though I didn't think I was going to have to read the prompter,

but sometimes I do. They say, Shannon, you have more time than you think. When he came with that crack motion with Darius Slate, now, and they're thinking, oh, this is about to be a run. I'll block down. Because I know it's a pass. They don't know what it is. Right.

1,001, 1,002. All I need him to do is to put his eyes on the back or put his eyes somewhere. A split second. Nah, I'm behind it. Yeah. That's it. That's it.

All I need him to do is hesitate. I'm not going to go to him. I'm going to block down. Right. To make him think we're trying to cross-track the ball to a Saquon. Right. All he had to do was

fake, take time. I thought he went too quick. Right. And he didn't sell it enough. But he still. He ran out of a little bit of real estate too. So again, I think. That's why you slowed down because think about it, Ocho. That's why you slowed down. Right, right, right. Where you going to go?

It's not a play like you're in the middle of the field. Right. And you run that play because now you got room to run. You only got 10 yards. So again, I don't know. You might have answered it, but I didn't hear you. So if you were the ball in that situation, would you have gone with that same play with the pass play to Waller or would you have run it with Saquon since he was successful

running the ball all night? I really don't have a problem with the call. The only problem that I have is that and I'm not saying, because I thought it was a great play call. We see this play a lot where you try to leak the tight end out, but the only thing is I thought Waller went too quick. And you get

that sometimes because you know it's only two seconds. We only got one crack at this, but take your time. Take your time take your time and and that's the one thing that john and i would we would always discuss in in meetings he's like they would say okay shannon we want you to go 12 to 14 and i would ask john what are you thinking on this route right he said give me 12 give me 12 in practice because i know you're going to speed it up in the game so now i'm telling i'm I'm telling Darren Waller, Hey, a one count,

give me a two count because I know you're going to speed it up in the game. That's, that's the only thing. If I could give him any advice, you got more time than you think. Right. But I thought, I thought the Giants played well. I thought Wink Martindale did a great job of confusing Josh Allen, doing a great job of disguising things. I thought they played well. They played well enough to win that game.

Todd Rod Taylor did not embarrass himself. Having Saquon back obviously helped the offense. Darius Slayton made some big-time catches. A lot of guys made big-time catches tonight. Jalen Hyatt. Jalen Hyatt made a big-time catch. But I think sometimes, and we saw this today, we saw the Bills struggle.

We're talking about the Eagles. They lost the 49ers. Sometimes you look at an opponent, especially when you're 5-0. Right. And they're struggling. You look at them, and they're without their best player. They're without Deshaun on offense. Or they're without the best, the all-pro running back, Nick Chubb.

And you look at them, or you look at the Jets, and they don't have Aaron Rodgers and they're without some, they're without Sauce. I don't think Sauce played today. Sauce didn't play now. So, and you look at that Ocho and you're like,

oh, we got them in the bag. But I'll give Mike Shanahan a lot of credit. Yeah. Because he and Gary Kubiak, who's the offensive coordinator, they would show us, even if a team was bad.

Right. He says, see? And they would show us great even if a team was bad, he said, see? And they would show us great plays that the defense had made. He said the only problem is they're just not consistent. He said don't let them get consistent against us today. And so that's what you have to reinforce is that, hey, this is a good team. I understand they've lost the game. They're 2-2 or they were this and that.

But don't let them put that consistency together against us. And plus, the Giants finished 0-5 in the red zone. You see? You lose games by kicking field goals. You win games and possibly championships by scoring touchdowns. I'm glad you just said that. So now that you see the way the Giants have played, opposed to how they looked against everybody else,

do you think a quarterback change is necessary being that they had such a such a great opportunity to win today's game and they played well and ty tyra taylor did things that he needed to do to make sure he didn't lose the lose the game for the team but gave them a chance at the end would you make a quarterback change at this point i would not let me tell you why it's easy for the guy to come in for one game because there's not a whole lot of film on it right now we're gonna get some game tape on it now we got a game to see what they like to do with tyrod tyrod did a great job of getting the ball out of his hands he did a great job if it's not there taking off and running he did a great job of

getting uh of getting the ball out of his hands. I wouldn't make the quarterback change just yet. Let's see how it plays out. But he did look good. I thought the offensive line blocked a little better than what they normally do against Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones is like, hey, bro, can I get some of that guy? That'd be just a little. They got two guys tied for giving up the second most sacks

and another guy to right tackle that's tied for giving up the second most sacks and another guy, the right tackle, that's tied for giving up the second most pressures. It's hard to win. It's hard to play that position. Right. When you got two offensive, three of your offensive linemen are shooting bad. Right.

Three of your offensive linemen shooting real bad. Yeah, man. It's hard to win games like that. Yeah, I got you. I got you. The 49ers lose to the Browns, 1917. My take went viral because I said I did not believe Brock Purdy was elite. Right.

And, Ocho, we've got to stop this notion. Right. Our quarterback's on a team. They win. He's elite. We've got to stop. Normally, guys had to put the string together some years. He's elite. We've got to stop. Normally, guys had to put the string together some years.

Consistency. Guys had to string together MVP season. Guys had to go to Pro Bowl. Guys had to be all pro. Now guys have a good two, three game stretch. Oh, he's elite. It's okay. Look, there's 32 quarterbacks. It's okay.

You got the elite and you got the middle of the pack and you got guys that are just guys. Just because your guy is an elite, that doesn't mean he's a bum. People were saying, oh, you're trying to say block. I didn't say that. I'm just saying I haven't seen enough to declare him elite. Well, you know what's hard to do?

It's hard to declare him elite based on the supporting cast he has around him. He has a superior supporting cast around him. Your offensive line, your receivers, the running back you have. Now, let's say if you were to take Brock Purdy and put him in a different position, put him in a different team where he didn't have the repertoire, you know, the arsenal that he has over there with the 49ers, will he still be able to be consistent with his play week in and week out? That lets you know whether you're elite or not.

I think that's the way I judge some of the top-tier quarterbacks. You can take Patrick Mahomes and put him anywhere on any of the other 31 teams and you know what you're going to get. The same thing with Josh Allen. They are playmakers that make the players around them much better. I'm not sure Brock Purdy does with the 49ers offense because the players that he has

surrounding him are just that great. These aren't your average dudes. They're top tier dudes at every position over there. Right. I agree with you. Purdy was 12 of 27. He completed 44% of his passes. 125 yards, one touchdown, one interceptions. And that's all that I'm saying.

And we saw how he looked when Christian McCaffrey exited the game, when Debo exited the game. That's your opportunity. Right. When guys, because we saw Patrick Mahomes go win the Super Bowl and they took the most dangerous man in football away from him, Tyreek Hill. He went to and won the Super Bowl. That's what eliteness is.

Tom Brady is elite because we see him. No matter who's out there on the field, he's going to be great. He's not going to win every game, but you look at Tom Brady and you're like, okay, he's elite. Peyton Manning is elite. I mean, look, he's great because he made a play or they won a few games. It doesn't work like that, people.

But he is very good in the fact that he had to go against a Jim Swartz defense that is the real deal. The boys are real. Obviously, listen, the Browns ain't no pushover regardless of what their record may show. Let me ask you a question. Yes, sir. When have we ever said, when have an elite quarterback ever worried about the defense he was going up against?

You see what you just did? That told you right there he's not elite. Oh, yeah. Okay, okay. I see what you're doing. You never said that about Tom Brady. Right, right, right. You never said that about Peyton Manning.

Right, right. You never said that about Patrick Mahomes. Right. It doesn't matter. Right. Because elite, hey, you the best? Hey, if I'm the best pitcher in the major leagues, I want to face the best hitters.

I don't say, well, hey, he got some good stuff, but he definitely don't want to play. He don't want to face Shohei Itani. He don't want to face Aaron Judge or Mike Trout. Nah. And so, look, I thought that unnecessary roughness penalty on the receiver,

I don't know about that, Ocho. Now, unless they said he launched himself, and I don't think he launched himself because it was just, I mean, he turned. He didn't hit him in his head. He didn't hit him in his neck area. And I know it's a bang-bang play, but every big hit is not unnecessary roughness. Damn, it's football. I think I understand

the call itself. Unnecessary roughness, pass interference, every other call, it's just too much inconsistency in it. It's too much inconsistency in it and it's costing people games.

It's costing people money, obviously, on the back end. I understand what the NFL is trying to do, trying to protect the players, but it's getting to a point where it's so inconsistent at times where the call isn't

even a call, where the game of football is not even the game of football to this point. And it's ruining games, it's costing teams games, and it can hurt you on the back end. You know, when you lose a game that you need, they don't because of a call that really shouldn't have been called.

And it's happening too much. In today's game, what it's allowed people to do, what it's allowed things to happen is, is that guys with a lot less courage is able to play this game because they've taken the physicality out of it, because they've taken the intimidation out of it. That's a good one. Because all've taken the intimidation out of it. Because all these, until I

started leaving the game, I ain't never heard of no three-step slant route. A three-step slant route, and you got Ray Lewis, or you have Singletary, or you had like John Offerdahl. They would split your don'ts. Man. Hey, you got that? No!

No! It's like a defensive receiver. I never man hey you got that no no it's like a defensive receiver I never heard of them I never heard defenseless they're like bro you got a helmet

and shoulder pads how you defenseless they didn't see you out there naked listen it's a different ball game today's game today's game

is extremely different I don't think how good I don't think they understand how good they have it I think about the 2000s I think about the 2000s what your Ray Lewis is 2000s, which your Ray Lewis, your Air Reads, your Troy Palomaro, Steve Atwater, Donovan Darius, Bob Sanders, Sean Taylor. The people where it made you think twice.

You know you got to go across the middle, but you think twice before you got to. When you're coming off the line and you're trying to see where they are before you make your cut so you know when to brace or you know when to get down and make that business decision. Yeah. Yo, it was different. It was different.

It wasn't no pretty one hand catches. It wasn't no pretty. It wasn't. Over the middle. Oh, you want a profile? Shit. You might do it.

You might do. I tell you what, you might do it. You might do it in the first quarter, but I guarantee you you would never do it again might do it in the first quarter but I guarantee you would never do it again I mean

in the 90s think about we had Mark Carrier we had Rodney Harrison we had Ronnie Lott we had

Steve Atwater we had Eddie Anderson we had Joey Browner Eddie Anderson hit a dude so hard

and then he WWE he counted him out. One, two, three. That's what guys were doing. Yeah. I mean, those safeties back there, they were big safeties. They're not these moves safeties.

They wasn't worried about no coverage. Right. They was coming downhill. Yeah, yeah. They were playing hell-high safeties, and they dare you. They dare you to run over. They dare you to run apart. What? Listen, if you don't catch the ball, they're going to leave you with run over. They dare you to run apart. What?

Listen, if you don't catch the ball, they're going to leave you with something to take back to the huddle. Because that's all you wanted to do. Because football in its truest, in its purest form was about intimidation. Yeah. Yeah. It's about intimidation. Oh, you caught that one in the first one.

But come third quarter, like, oh, oh, you got gate. Now nobody got gate on. Everybody extended. Everybody want to chat you with one hand, Ocho. Everybody want to do a selfie. Everybody do a selfie catches now. Yeah, yeah. It's different. I mean, across the middle, if the quarterback didn't put it in your number,

hey, hey, hey. I ain't want that one. I ain't want that one. We'll get the next one. But listen, like they did say man it's to protect it's to protect the players

it is I get it it is for safety it is but the game the game has changed it's not the same anymore it is

it's not the same but let's not take away from the fact the 49ers got beat by P.J. Walker now we can dress all this up we can say this

we can say that that wasn't Patrick Mahomes on the other side. That wasn't one of these top-flight quarterbacks. That was a journeyman quarterback that's been on how many teams? Seven, eight, nine, ten, thirteen? He's been on a host of different teams. Oh, my bad.

That's Josh Johnson's been on all those teams. But he's been on teams. He's played in a lot of different leagues. Bro, that's who beat all those teams. But he's been on teams. He's played in a lot of different leagues. Right. Bro, that's who beat you. Yeah. But also, you can't discredit the defense for what the defense was able to do. You got to understand, now, the Brown defense,

they rank fourth in the league. They don't allow nothing but 15 points. 15 points a game. Right. 15 points a game. I don't know what Jim Shorts is over there feeding them young fellas, man, especially the secondary

that goddamn Denzel Ward man man look well see what they can do when you can pressure you can do a lot of things in the secondary you can mask a lot of things and Jim Schwartz

is a pressure guy he's gonna come now he has Miles Garrett on one side so they can bring they can generate pressure with a four but Schwartz likes

to bring pressure he has no problem bringing pressure. Right. And so in a situation like that, when you've got a defense, like, like what the 49ers are, the last thing your quarterback can do is turn the ball over.

Yeah. See, that's what got him in trouble is that when he turned the ball over and he gave him life. Right. So you, now all of a sudden you put that defense, Hey, turned the ball over and he gave him life right so you now all of a sudden you put that defense hey punt the ball hey let's say long as we don't turn it over they can't beat us we make them make the mistakes not us right because here's the thing oh joe and you

know this very well when you are better team and you turn the ball over one or two things happen either you go down to the level of the competition you're playing or you bring them up to your level. One of the two is going to happen when you turn the ball over. And that's what we saw today. Go ahead. I got another question for you real quick because

you understand the landscape a little better than me. I'm not sure the casual fan will understand what I'm asking, but I'm going to ask you anyway because you had the expertise. Do you think the Browns personnel, even with Debo and CMC going out, do you think the Browns personnel is fared much better than the other teams to play against the 49ers as just like the Bills versus the Dolphins? The defense, the personnel is better suited to play against the Dolphins

the same way the Browns were against the Eagles. You think that comes into play a little bit? It does, but he didn't have the... You get what I'm saying, though, right? I get exactly what you're saying. Okay, okay, okay.

You got a personnel that can pressure your quarterback. Right. First of all, they neutralized the run. They shut Christian McCaffrey off before he went out of the ballgame. So now we shut the run off. Now we know you got to throw the football

and we can pressure you. Right. And so now without Debo, now without Christian McCaffrey, now we've taken two of your most dangerous threats away. So now, really, who am I worried about? I'm worried about Kittle. I'm worried about IU.

I take Denzel Ward. You got IU. And now if I need to, I can bracket Kittle. Kittle, yeah. Or vice versa. Or vice versa. So that's what they were able to do because they've taken away a lot. You take away C-Mac and you've taken away uh debo eagles go to the lose to the jets

and ocho i've been telling you a lot of times people are just concerned about the destination and they don't look think about the journey i'm something like a meteorologist because i'm trying to predict because i'm seeing things. Now, I told you, I said the whole year, I said Jalen Hurts hasn't played well. They're winning. They're winning. They're winning. They're winning. I say, but winning masks a lot of things. I say the worst thing you can do is win, but we won. And I had to get out of that mindset.

And again, thanks to my Shannon, because I remember I had a hundred first game 1995 ojo we played the buffalo bills i had 10 for 180 opening night at the time it was like the fourth or fifth best opening day receiving game in history right and uh steve antonopoulos who the athletic trainer came and tapped me on the shoulder in the meeting and said mike wanted to see me so i thought you know hey mike you hey, Mike, you know, because I hadn't missed. I had off-season surgery. I didn't get a chance to really do a whole lot in training camp. I'm like, Mike was going, ooh. I said, Mike going to praise me because he had been riding me pretty hard

because I wasn't in OTAs. I couldn't practice because I had surgery. He said, what's up, 84? I said, hey, Mike, how you doing? You know, I got a smile. I said, yeah, you know, Mike, but he gave me some love. Hey, I was offensive player of the game. Right.

So, you know, I'm going to get that love. Right. I sit down. He said, he cut the tape on Miss Block. Who? Lowe. Not getting in and out of my break. Right.

He's 84. He's 84. That's not good enough. He said, he said, I'll never accept anything in a win. I wouldn't in a loss. Think about what I just said, Ocho. He said, I will never accept anything in a win. I wouldn't in a loss. Had we lost that game, that effort wouldn't have been good enough.

And if it's not good enough in a loss, it's not good enough in a win. I like that. That was 1995, and I never forgot those words. I told y'all Jalen Hurst wasn't playing well, but because he was winning, y'all let it skate. The man has more interceptions this year in six games than he had all of last year in 17. But now, every time I try to tell you something,

Ocho, when you and I talk, you have a level of expertise, I have a level of expertise. I try to, the viewer, the listener,, I have a level of expertise. Yes, sir. I try to, the viewer, the listener, what I try to do is say, look, I'm telling you through 14 years

and a lot of meetings and being around a lot of great minds, these are some minefields that I see with my eye. Because when I watch the game, Ocho,

I'm not seeing, I don't care that they scored. I don't get excited when a team scores. I don't, I need scored. I don't get excited when a team score. I don't, I need to know why. Okay. What did you do?

What was the formation? Okay. What was the defense in? And so now I can analyze, okay, this guy made a mistake. No, he made a mistake.

He was supposed to be here. He was supposed to be there. And I've been trying to tell people, I say, guys, the record, I understand winning, winning,

winning, but there are some minefields that you're going to get blown up on if you're not careful. And lo and behold, it happened today. 28-45, 280, one touchdown, three interceptions. Jets, four defense, four turnovers, had a couple of other interceptions that they dropped. Right.

What did you see? What was one of the main takeaways that you took from this game? Well, what I took away from the game was obviously the defense. Jalen Hurst didn't play well. At some point, you're going to get a game like this, and you say he hasn't been playing well to your standard, the standard that we hold of Jalen Hurst that went to the Super Bowl just not long ago.

We hold him to a higher standard. With him being one of the best, obviously him getting a big deal, big contract, all this. So a lot comes with that. A lot comes with that. So they've been able to mask some of the things that haven't been going well with him because they are winning. Because, you know, winning kills everything.

But on the inside, some of the things that we can see as former players that have played the game, we can see the small holes or the small discrepancies that will creep up on you and bite you. You know what? Correct. It happened tonight. The turnovers, obviously. If you were the betting man, if you were the gambling man, anybody that's gambling or betting man, I'm sure they probably had the Eagles to win because they were playing the Jets. Oh, yeah.

For sure. I'm sure everybody lost some money. Everybody probably lost some money. Yes. But again, you know it needs to be fixed. I don't need to go into detail on what it is,

but you know it needs to be done. What the thing is is that when you play a team like the Jets, they're a little challenged offensively. Defensively, it's very, very good. Very good.

They pride themselves on taking the ball away. So in that mindset, don't turn it over. Right. Don't give them short fields. Don't allow their crowd to get into the game. Make them beat us. Right. Make them drive the football.

Everything that I'm sure they talked about, they did the opposite. Right. What did they do? Turn the ball over. What else did they do? Allow the team to get into it. And so,

you, Zach, now, all Zach Wilson has to do is now, I don't have to, as long as I don't turn the ball over or give you scooping scores,

we're going to be fine. Yeah, what's his name? What's his name again? Zach Wilson. Yeah, make sure you say it loud and proud too, baby. Zach Wilson. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, what's his name? What's his name again? Zach Wilson. Yeah, make sure you say it loud and proud too, baby. Zach Wilson. I don't know. Look.

They won the game. Ain't nothing you can say. Ain't nothing you can say. No, they won the game. They won the game. Defense was... No, no, no. We're not going to do that. Zach Wilson beat the Philadelphia Eagles. That's what we're going to say. Say it with me. Say it with me. Say it with me, please. Say it with me. Zach Wilson beat the Philadelphia Eagles. In's what we're going to say. Say it with me. Say it with me. Say it with me, please. Say it with me.

Zach Wilson beat the Philadelphia Eagles. In Buffalo game, the defense created four turnovers. In today's game, the defense created four turnovers. Hold on. Against the Broncos, they created three turnovers. Okay. Is that

what we're doing? So, I just heard you say not long ago, PJ Walker beat the San Francisco 49ers. Yes. Okay. Yes. I need you to say it. I say it with me, please. Don't say it with me. Don't fight me. Just say Zach Wilson beat. Just say it with me, please. Zach Wilson played well. He didn't put the ball. But what did I tell you? So let me ask you this. Now, this is the same argument I've been using against the Cowboys. What happens when they don't get four turnovers?

What happens when they don't create short fields? Now, what have we seen? That's all I'm saying. Zach Wilson played well today. And when you're a better team, I think from top to bottom, I think the Eagles are a better team than the Jets. But when you turn it over, either you go down to their level or you bring them up to your level.

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I like what Zach Wilson is doing. I hear what you're saying, but Zach Wilson is getting more and more comfortable week in and week out. What is being asked of Zach? Zach, we don't need you to be Aaron Rodgers. We don't need you to be Patrick Mahomes. We just need you to be efficient and don't turn the ball over.

Today, it wasn't a huge game for him. 19 for 33, 186 yards. But he's outplayed two of the best in the game. He's outplayed Hurts. And they hadn't beat the Eagles. What? They were 0 and 12. Yeah, they had never beaten the Eagles.

He'd beaten Mahomes. No, he didn't beat Mahomes. What? No, he didn't beat Mahomes. They lost, but he outplayed. You say he outplayed. I outplayed. Okay, my bad. My bad. That's where I was trying toomes. What? No. He didn't beat Mahomes. They lost, but he outplayed. You said he outplayed. I played. Okay, my bad.

My bad. My bad. That's where I was trying to go. I'm sorry. Sorry. I know. I know. I know where you're trying to go.

Sorry for the mix-up. My bad. My bad. And because the Eagles turned the ball over so many times, it neutralized them stopping the Jets in the red zone. The Jets went one for four in the red zone. And I'm not so sure that last touchdown, they allowed them to score because they needed the ball back

with more time on the clock. Right, right. But I'm not so sure because they didn't want them to bleed the clock and then kick a field goal and leave minimal time. Right. Considering, see, the thing is, anything can happen. Anything can happen. Seattle Seahawks have taught us nothing.

You don't concede touchdowns in situations like that. Right. But I thought the Jets played well. I thought the game was about to get away from them, and they create a big turnover. And so kudos to the Jets played well. I thought the game was about to get away from them, and they create a big turnover. And so kudos to the Jets. That defense is legit, and they did that without sauce, and some of the other key contributors on the defense side of the football.

So right now, if you had to rank, give me your top three teams in the NFC. Top three teams in the NFC? Yes. Steely? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. top three teams in NFC? Yes. Philly? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. San Francisco still. I still got the 9-1-1. Let me stop playing around now

because San Francisco, Philly. Can I put the Cowboys third? Shouldn't I put the Cowboys third? I'm going to surprise you with my second team I got the Lions oh I got the Lions I got the Lions I got the Lions third then the Cowboys I got the Lions third then the Cowboys

I got 49ers Lions Eagles that's my top three team whoa whoa you got the Lions second I got the Lions second. They've been impressive. They've been impressive. Very impressive. I mean, they went on the road

and beat a hot team in Tampa. Tampa was playing well. Now, I'm not saying Tampa are world beaters, but they have been playing well early in the season. So that's, you know what, Ocho? Really, that's all we can base it on. Now, look. Now, itcho? Really, that's all we can base it on? Now look, now it might be a situation that we look down the road

and this game don't mean anything because one team is 4-13 and the other team is 5-12. And we say, hell, that win didn't mean nothing because they were terrible anyway. But at this juncture, Tampa had been playing well. And they went on the road

and held them the two field goal. They went on the road and held them to two field goals. Yeah. They went on the road, Kansas City, did a job. Jared Goff is playing extremely, extremely well. At some point in time, we might have to get Jared Goff some love for that MVP. Yeah. You know, I'm going to sleep on it. And if I wake up in the morning and God spare me, you know, I'm in my right mind.

God will say, go on and put him in an MVPPP discussion. I'm going to have to do that. Well, definitely. Yeah. Did you see Tyreek's celebration? I love it. I love it. I love it. That was legendary. Yes. That was legendary. That's up there

with one of the best ever. Easily. Yes. Hold on. Check this out The man, hold on, check this out. Now, you know the NFL is going to find him, right?

I pay it. I don't care. I pay it. Ocho. I pay it. But you know the guy, you know the guy, the phone that he used?

Yeah. He works for the NFL. That's fine. The NFL, hold on, check this out. The NFL had put it up on all of their platforms.

Right. And then they deleted it. Because how you going to find, how you going to find a man that y'all promoting it and y'all talking about yada, yada, yada, but you turn around and find him. So they deleted it. Yeah.

Listen, this is an entertainment business. This is what the NFL needs to have a better understanding. Obviously, during my day, myself, T.O., Steve Smith, and some others, we were having a little too much fun. Oh, all of a sudden, then the NFL realized, wait a minute, this is good for the game. The entertainment value of the game, drawing more eyes, making it more valuable for those that are watching, allowing people to want

to see and come and see the game, to see certain players like Tyreek Hill do stuff like this. What's going to happen when he scores? You never know. You never know what's going to happen. And the funny thing, this is the one thing I want to say about fines. This is one thing I want to say about fines. Tyreek made a comment,

said, I don't play this game for the money. I play it for fun. And this is what the beauty of that is. And I need people to understand this.

They fine you, obviously, because they feel, well, there's only one way to keep these NFLfl players in line and that is take what they think we value most and that's your money for a game that we're supposed to play and have fun and entertain when they when taking the money doesn't work that means they have no control over you in the way you play that That is so beautiful. So beautiful that Tyreek said what he said today.

And I hope he keeps on doing it. But here's the thing, Ocho. When they want you to stop it, what they do, they make it so cost prohibitive, you have no choice but to stop. Because what they do, they'll fine you $7,500. And they say, every fine that comes after that, we're going to double it.

So now it goes to $15,000. Then it goes to $30,000. Then it goes to $60,000. And now you're doing a celebration that cost you $500,000. Your agent, your management team is going to say, don't do that. You know what I think?

I think the Dolphins, the Dolphins front office should step in at that point. I think the Dolphins front office should step in at that point. Matter of fact, get to the point where Tyreek, we know what he should do. By the time I got to year seven,

this is why Roger Goodell and I have such a good relationship now. Because I wasn't following no rules. I was going to have me some fun. We got about year seven and I knew I had something coming up for that game. I was mailing my check-in to the league office on Wednesday ahead of time before the game. And I know that really pissed him off. I know that pissed him off. Man, enjoy the game. Have fun, man. There's a very small window of opportunity to do what you do, and that's playing the game that you love, that you worked your ass off to get to,

obviously to play at the pinnacle of your childhood dream. Do it just like this and have fun, man. That right there will never, ever, ever be forgotten. That is cemented. That was dope, man. If you remember Joe Horn, when he went and pulled out the cell phone, you know, first of all, I did a celebration the week before,

but I didn't actually have a phone. Right, right. I had a three-touchdown game against the Chargers. Yes, sir. And I went to the goal post and picked up the phone and pretended like I was calling my granny.

Right, right. Yeah, yeah, great. I got another one. Yeah, I got that three-up on the day and I hung the phone up. Right. right, right. Yeah, yeah, granny, I got another one. Yeah, yeah, I got that free of on today. And I hung the phone up. Right. Joe went and got an actual phone

and put it down in the goal post. He's like, I know I'm scoring this here and just for safekeeping and pulled the phone out. The problem is, Ocho, you know what's going to happen.

Right. Somebody going to order a DoorDash. Somebody order a Grubhub. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. And you know,

I order Uber. If I was playing right now, I order me an Uber. I said, look, come through the stadium and go through the barriers and come pick me up on the field.

I want a black car. Yeah. I'm extremely creative. I'm just thinking about it. If I were to score, you know how they have the team celebrations, you know, the team, you know, everybody doing stuff together. I would just thinking about it. If I were to score, you know how they have the team celebrations, you know, the team,

you know, everybody doing stuff together. I would probably pull a fan. It would have to be fast. I would probably have a fan come down and we do something together. Yeah.

That would be something that I would do. That's dog. The celebrations are, did you see the Remember the Titans from the Bengals? Yeah.

The Bengals did the Remember the Titans thing? Oh, that is like, it's beautiful for the game. I just hope the NFL doesn't mess it up and realize it, realize what it does

for the fans and people like myself. Like, I played the game and I'm excited. Look how I'm talking. I'm all, I'm hyped up. You know what I'm thinking, Ocho?

I wish I could just, I wish my legs, like when I was young and was thinking about it, I had, you know, I could have jumped up there and pulled myself up on the goalpost and I'd have been sitting up on the goalpost. You ain't got that

kind of strength. I'd be sitting up on the goalpost with the peace sign. Hey, listen, you know that goalpost's high as hell, man. It is. That goalpost's high. With the pads on, hey, that got to be early.

That got to be early. Now, Paul was cool. He wouldn't slap them fines on you quite like Roger would. No, but see, Roger had to come in with an iron fist. He had to come set the tone when he first came in, and he did just that. And I said, well, you know what? We finna go at it. We finna go at it.

I'm not stopping. Paul and Gene, I had Paul and Gene watching with a little bit more. They were like, they were like, okay, okay, okay. Right, right, right. Yeah, listen. Y'all came along with Roger

and I don't know who. And Merton Hanks. Merton Hanks. Roger and Merton Hanks. That's fine. They came down with an iron fist. That's fine. Look,

the Dolphins, Tyreek, 814 yards in what, five, in six games. Crazy. Crazy. Dude, those are plays for like 2,500 receiving yards. I just don't know.

Why would you bring pressure? Play Tyreek in a bump position. You know the ball going up to Tyreek. Yeah. Yeah. You know it's going up to Tyreek yeah you know it's going up to Tyreek that was Dante not Dante

ah god it slipped my mind it wasn't quarters on that play wasn't it they brought pressure yeah they had no choice the safety had to come down and either get the back or get the tight end I would play off.

You would? Yes. You can't. That's not the way the defense works. You can't change up. If you bring a pressure, you got to play up. And if you don't play up, they're going to throw it to him quick. And then what? He going to shake you? I was going to try to shout it,

but Ocho Herr is the thing. If you open the door, flies will come in your house. He opened the door for Tyree. Now, what's the likelihood? Okay, you're three yards in front of him. You don't get a jam on him, and you open the door. In two steps, he's in front of you. It's a wrap.

Now what? It's a wrap. Literally in two steps. There's really nothing you can do. Nothing you can do. Obviously, if you're going to play press, you got to at least try to get a hand on it. You got to get your hands on it, Ocho.

You got to. You got to. If you're going to strike out the band, you know what you should do? Pick a side and just be aggressive. Pick a side. Pick a side and be aggressive. Most of the time, he releasing outside anyway,

so just listen. Play half a man outside. Do something. Yeah, he releasing outside anyway. So just, listen, play half a man outside. Do something. Yeah, I can't let... If anything, Ocho, because I understand because the general rule of thumb is that if you go, if you come with the blitz, anything, any kind of pressure,

you don't want to let him inside because that's an easier throw. But that's not fair. You got to change the rule based on him. Tyreek is special. He's in a category of his own. He's in a category of his own. He's in a category of his own, especially when it comes to man-to-man

or anything of that nature. And if you play off, it's a pick-your-poison situation because if you bring a pressure and you play off, he's going to catch something short. And listen, it takes one move. It takes one move and he's gone.

And if you press, it's the same thing. It's the same thing. I remember earlier this year, they said, I said Tyreek Hill is the most dangerous player regardless of position. I'm talking about offensive player. I'm talking about linebacker. Nobody strikes fear like this man. Because like you said, he can take a five-yard route.

There are very few wide receivers that can take a five-yard route and turn into an 80-yard spectacular. Or as we say, hit his head on a goal. He can do it. He can do it. From anywhere on the field, anywhere. The most dangerous, and that's including Aaron Donald. That's including Patrick Mahomes.

TJ Watt. Fred Warnham. Fred Warnham. Bobby. You name somebody. Nobody strikes more fear than this guy. This is one of the reasons when they always ask me, well, name your top five receivers.

He's in a category of his own. He's his own entity. He's his own special player. He's just something else. When they talk about me, you know how they talk about Messi? All right, I'm not trying to say he's Messi. For those that are watching, I'm just giving you an analogy. Messi is God-given.

There's nothing that will ever be anything like that. When I talk about Tyreek Hill, I put him in the conversation with Messi as in you see some of the stuff he does on the field. It's like that's God-given. Obviously, with the work that he's also put in, it's crazy. When he first got into the league, Ocho, he was a gadget guy. He was mainly a punt, kick returner. They bring him in on third down.

They flip it to him. But he put time in. He taught himself how to run the route tree. He's extremely dangerous because he can run every route on the tree. Everything. And with that kind of speed, we've never seen a guy. He has track speed, but he's built like a football player. Most guys that have track speed, they built like track.

They frail. I don't know how many people have actually seen Tyreek in person, but if you see him, he's compact. He's 190, 195, and he's solid yeah he's solid as hell yeah so he's not like a typical like james jett and willie gall all those guys and sam grady although and i know i'm going back to guys but guys that normally that can run like he can run they were frailly built right he's a explode any guy that can turn his neck and stand flat and turn a back flip

is explosive. That lets you know, Ocho, you see guys vertical jump and broad jump. That's explosive power. You see the way he moves. I've never seen a guy eat up a cushion

like he can. And you know the funny thing about it is not only is he moves, he's, I've never seen a guy eat up a cushion like he can. And you know, the funny thing about it is not only is he explosive, not only is he fast, but he's right now fast. There's a difference. There are people that are fast,

but they get go, they get going. Like, let's say. No, no, no, no. He right now, he instant speed. I mean, right now. Yeah, some guys have to build up.

I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. And he right now fast, out the gate. And you know. he's that type of guy. Most people run as fast as they can. He runs fast as he wants to. He got that kind of speed. I run fast as I want to.

You can't do anything with him. Right, right, right. To watch him and to see what he's become is just unbelievable. And he's from the crib. He's from Georgia, Coffey County. I got to throw that in there. It's just unbelievable. And he from the crib. He from Georgia, coffee County. I got to throw that in there.

You know, I always support the guys from the crib. So big takeaway. Let's get to your bingos. I don't know. Pete Carroll, Pete Carroll, just keep Pete Carroll.

Like, you know what? I don't want y'all. I want y'all to, he's like, I don't want y'all to forget that. I made the biggest bonehead dumbest play in the hundred and four hundred and said what i'm gonna do i'm gonna do i'm gonna do a couple of other ones yeah ocho why would you not take the field goal your defense had basically stymied

the bingos for the entire second half i'm talking about shut them down. Yeah. Why not take the field goal? You got the two-minute warning and two timeouts. They go for it on fourth down. They don't get it. They three and out them. They punt the ball. Now instead of needing a field goal to go down and win the game, you need a touchdown.

Yeah. I just want to know what Pete Carroll was thinking. And Gino, bro, can you stop retreating? I mean, every time a person comes, you run back up, bro can you stop that? Sometimes, just throw them all away, it's okay you gotta get outside

the tackle box, so you can't just throw it away now because you're going to get intentional grounding, but again I'm not a coach, I'm not Pete Carroll I'm not sure what the logic is in no situation like that. Obviously, it's clear for us to see sitting at home watching from TV as opposed to what it is for them. I think I'm sure Pete Carroll has advisors, especially on the situation and understanding what's going on and knowing that, you know,

it will, if I kick a field goal now, I won't need to touch down on the back end when we get them to three and out. And I don't know what's going on. I kick a field goal now, I won't need to touch down on the back end when we get them to three and out. And I don't know what's going on. I don't know where the thought process is and why he did what he did. Where are the analytics guys? Where are the analytics guys when they need them? Where are the nerdy guys that couldn't, where are the nerdy, the nerdy people?

Cause I don't want to leave anybody out people. Cause they might be some women. They might be guys. So where are the nerdy people when you need them? that couldn't play the sport and say you know what i want to be involved in the sport right let me tell you if you go for it on fourth and three there's a 46 chance that you'll win the game yeah and there's a hundred percent chance you're gonna lose if you don't get right right yeah so i just want to know where are the people that are in his ear that's telling us that p, we kicked the field goal.

We're still two minutes. There's still two. We're outside of two minutes. And we have two timeouts. Where are those people? I have no idea. Do head coaches have advisors, right? They have people in the mic.

They have the eye in the sky up there. Yes. Telling you what to challenge. You should challenge that. Yes. At the end of the day, the call, it all comes down

to the head coach making the call on what he wants his offense to do. Correct? Yes. Yeah. I mean,

the Seahawks played tremendous football. I tweeted out earlier that they played extremely well. That goddamn secondary, Devin Witherspoon. Oh, no, no, no.

We don't do that. Oh, you trying to gloss over that. And you lost them 25 units. Hey, listen. You remember when we had that bet? Me and you had that bet. Yeah trying to gloss over that. And you lost them 25 units. You remember when we had that bet? Me and you had that bet. Yeah, we had a bet. And you know what? I don't mind losing it.

I don't mind. I took my glasses off for a reason. Because I know them boys going to see this, man. Y'all young bulls out there, man. Seattle, man. Man, I take my glasses off. Man, I salute you.

They played a hell of a game. Like, for real. I don't even mind losing. What did I tell you about Spoon? What did I tell you, they played a hell of a game. Like, for real. I don't even mind losing. What did I tell you about Spoon? What did I tell you about Spoon? Hey, them boys played a hell of a game. Like, real, real shit. And I'm cursing, too, and I'm saved.

They played a hell of a game, man. God damn. They did. And the coach trying to be a hero, trying to say, because you guess what they say i got i got confidence in my defense yeah confidence in my office that's what they always give you i know this team i look them in the eye i know how we practice yeah they're looking at you like coach stay your ass out the way and let us win this ball game that's why they're

looking at you when you stand up there and you go out to the press conference and you try to impress the media members. I look those guys in the eye every single day. I know what they're made of. They say, yeah, we know what you made of too, some bull jive. You should say he look them in the what? In the eye? Yeah. He go out there and talk about

I look those guys in the eye every single day. And they would tell you, I would do it again. No, you wouldn't. Before I continue, I want to thank everybody tonight that's watching tonight. Please hit the button below and subscribe. And I promise you this. We're going to get my Wi-Fi.

There's a little lag. But we're going to have that fixed by tomorrow. So when we come to you tomorrow night, after the Cowboys or Chargers game, we'll have that ready. Colorado-Stanford. Colorado jumps out to a big lead 29-0.

And what happened? Second half, obviously it was up 29-zip. Second half, you got to keep your foot on the gas. Not only do you got to keep your foot on the gas not only do you have to keep your foot on the gas the penalties the penalties the penalties the penalties or we're a killer it was also a killer obviously not being able to stop the offense in the second half as well oh man number 13 number 13 what was 13 names el? Alec. Alec. Wait. Alec. Ayanna Moore. Wait. Ayo. Ayo Manor.

Did I say it right? I don't know what you said. All I know is he had a pot and he was cooking everybody ass. He had a pot out there on the field and he was cooking everybody ass. Alec. Ayo Manor. He had 13. You get some. You get some. He said, I'm going to stir fry you. I'm going to grill you. I'm going to oven roast you. I'm going to grill you. I'm going to oven roast you.

I'm going to fry you. I mean, he was getting everybody that worked. Listen, I didn't know anything about him until I was able to watch that game. He had 13 catches for 295 yards and three TDs. If we didn't know about him then, we know about him now. We know about him now. We know about him now. He put himself on the map. He put himself on the map that night.

Ocho. And I'm probably going to catch some flag from there. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Think about it first. Think about it first before you say it, baby. I am.

Think about it first. That's discipline. Penalties are discipline. Yeah. I'm not saying, I know what coach says publicly. And I know what coach says publicly and I know what he says privately because I've had this conversation with him. We went to the hall together in 2011. Yes. Me and that man talk up until probably he got to Colorado. We would talk sometimes two or three times a week. So I know what he's trying to get done but right now colorado is a very undisciplined

football team and it's hard to overcome those type of mistakes it's you've got to get out of your own way and right now they're not getting out of their own way right and that's that's frustrating 29 points right forget the defense i don't care about the defense because guess what when they score seven, guess what? They kick the ball off to you. You can go back down the field and score also. But they've got to do a better job. They've got to fix that.

And Coach Prime get up after every press conference and he say, penalties, penalties, penalties. Now, something is getting lost in translation. Either the message that you're getting is not being received or how you're delivering the message isn't being received. But there's a disconnect somewhere because you can't keep having double-digit penalties and expect to win these games.

Right. I don't think there's a disconnect. I think the moments like this are new win these games. Right. I don't think there's a disconnect. I think the moments like this are new for these kids. The situations that they're in, the lights, the program, the newfound stardom or whatever it may be.

At times, you have to find a happy medium of calmness and relax. And I call it, what I call it being in a situation like this. When, when you're in a game of that magnitude, I call it being quick, but not in a hurry.

When you, when you quick and not in a hurry, you don't make mistakes. You don't, you don't make those kinds of mistakes that they're making. And I'm talking about from an individual position for me playing receiver. I really can't speak for anybody else. I think about Shador.

Shador had a, had a very, very good game. He only had one. He made two mistakes. He made two mistakes. No, he had one turnover. One with the, one, no, no. He only had one turnover. But here's the thing. If he makes that throw, he has Travis wide open on third and six. He makes that throw. That's the first down. They kill the clock. Right. And then he has to realize in sudden death, you can't throw the ball up because now you prevent your team from getting an opportunity at three. I'm going to make them score a touchdown to beat me and not kick a field goal. So that's the one thing, like I said, the one throw he played phenomenal.

Up until that third down throw, he missed him. He just missed him. And then the heave, you have you have to understand okay this is sudden death this is different than the third quarter this is different than the fourth quarter now because sudden death we've already this is our possession we don't get points out of this they get points they win so that's something i'm sure right coach would talk to him about not just as a coach but hey as a father and a son because you know on the field i'm talking to you as a father as a son i mean as a player but at home hey this is what i want you to understand and i'm sure he'll probably

call tom and tom brady will tell him the same thing because they text they speak uh frequently and those are some of the things that he's gonna to have to know. Also this, Travis Hunter playing too many snaps. You think so? The guy was out. Ocho, the guy was out for a month. You're going to have him out for a month and bring him back and play him over 100 snaps? Did you see?

And it impacted him on both sides of the football. I mean, let me see. He was out a month. That's hard to say. That's hard to say. That's hard to say. Ocho, think about it, Ocho. Let me ask you a question. I understand he's talented.

But if you burn him too much, he hasn't been in game competition in a month. It's easy for us to say on the outside. It's easier for us to say on the outside that he's playing too many snaps. I mean, I think he knows... A hundred snaps and you haven't played in a month? I mean,

what was he doing before? Before that, he was still, he had a high volume of snaps as well. He was playing in the game. Okay, think about it now. You're playing in the game. So you're playing about it now. You're playing in the game. Right. So you're playing every week. You know, I don't know. Have you ever missed any games during the season?

No. No, sir. Let me ask you a question. Yes, sir. When you come out of the preseason, that first game was the Dickens, wasn't it? Even though you have been practicing, you have been doing all that.

So imagine. Now, think about it. You've been practicing. So imagine taking a month off. And you say, how many plays are there in the game? Right. 60,, now think about it. You've been practicing. So imagine taking a month off and you say, how many plays are there in the game? 60, 70? Yeah, 70. Okay, I'm going to add 45 to 50 to that workload. Now tell me how you're

going to feel. Damn. Oh, man. That's a tough one. That's a tough one because I think... Ocho, they was hunting him. They was hunting him. They was hunting him on the defensive side, Ocho.

He's your best cover guy and they're hunting him. Right. Why? Because the legs. You played... Hold on, Ocho. And this is what you're going to say.

Okay, you're right. You're right. They're playing him 100 plus snaps at altitude. That's not Miami. That's Denver, Colorado, where they send you to go train. The Olympic training facility is in Colorado.

They send you to go there because the blood, because the oxygen. I have a question. Are we panicking a little bit too fast? Are we panicking a little bit too fast? Because listen, stay with me. He was playing a high

volume of snap before and we're playing well on both sides of the ball when he picked off the ball when he picked off the ball against uh tcu tcu and pick up the ball against tcu he was playing the same number of snap so how about just this game the person playing in front of him just got the better of him this one time what if what if it's just that what if he comes back next week and is right back and putting those same situations and picks the ball off or scores an offense in? But see, think about it. If he comes back next week, that means he

had a week up under his belt. But let me ask you a question. When he picked that ball off of TCU, was he coming off an injury and missing a month of the season? You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. But I'm just thinking like when I was a shorty, when I was that age about, you know how we run all day. You know what I'm talking about.

We run all day and it's football. It's still fun. So we don't even see it as a workload. We see it as this is what we do. This is what I do. Both sides of the ball. Think about it. Even Charles Woodson that won the Heisman didn't play this many snaps.

Right. And he won the Heisman doing it. Remember this is a different dynamic, different team. This is, this is, this is different as Michigan. Like I said, uh, champ, champ, Colorado has 17 penalties for 127 yards. Several of those penalties kept drives alive. And they had four. One,

two, three, four illegal substitutions. You can't play with 12. I'm trying to figure out a sport that you can have 12 men on the field. I think soccer, you can have baseball,

you can have nine. How many on soccer? Number 11. 11? Okay, football 11. So what sport can you have 12 men? Volleyball,

you can't have 12. So I'm trying to figure the sport. So why the hell y'all keep trotting out an extra man? I think small errors, small errors, small errors. Four times, Ocho? Ocho, if you rear-end somebody four times, you can't drive, damn it. One time, I understand.

When you run in the back of somebody four different occasions, you can't drive, bro. You're right. You're right. Listen, first year, that's all I can say. First year, what we expected out of Colorado, with everybody doubting them and where they are and what they're doing,

man, listen, I got nothing but high praise and props, but not just prime, but for everything they're doing right now. I want them to win that game. Coach, I want them to win that game because I want and props for not just Prime, but for everything they're doing right now based on where they went last year. Coach, I want them to win that game because I want them to get the sixth win so they can go bowling. Right. I want them to go bowling. Okay, you're right.

That's what I want them to win. But you got to cut, like you said, you got to cut down on the mistakes. You can't have that. Yes. Coach Prime, he said it before. He came on first take and said that.

He said, I need seven, eight more dogs. He probably need three or four of those dogs on the D-line. He probably needs three or four on the offensive line. And then he's going to be a bitch. He get that as a wrap. Because he got the skilled players. The skilled players, especially on the offensive side, can make plays. Oh, yeah. Now, the guy's going to have to understand situation and angles to play

because, look, you can't give up a 97-yard touchdown. You can't. You can't give up a 60-yard touchdown when a guy catches the ball on one side and breaks it all the way back across the other side and scores a touchdown. You can't have that. But the penalty is, 17 penalties get you beat. Yeah.

That gets you beat. And... But it was a great game. 46-43 double overtime. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. Like, if every game, if every game was like that,

every collegiate game was like that, it'd be that much better. That much better. As opposed to the team just blowing everybody out each week, especially the top dogs. Yeah, even we saw what happened with SC and their terrible defense. Yeah.

You know what, Ocho? I know you saw the game DK. And I've talked to DK publicly and I've talked to him privately. DK. Bro, you got to stop the unnecessary stuff. Bro, I mean, what you... Okay, by shoving the guy in his face mask. Trying to intimidate him.

Trying to intimidate him. That's all. Trying to intimidate him. You caught yourself 15 yards. Maybe he thought the ref wasn't looking. You think so? Remember I tell you how you in the wide open, you can't do, you got to do

stuff in a pile. You got to do stuff in a congested area. Right. Now you can get away, but if you right there, the DB right there, and you shove the man with both hands or one hand in his face, they're going to throw a flag every time.

I wonder if Britt said something to him to get him riled up like that. Hey, all that talking, see, it used to, but you know, Ocho, in the course of a game, I can get your ass back and make it look like a plate.

I get your back. I get your back and make it look like a play. I get your back. I get your back and make it look like a play. Yeah, the funny thing about it, if Britt really got in his head to, once they get in your head like that mentally, and it causes you to react like that, you've already lost. Everybody's going to do it. Yeah, you lost the war.

Guess what? Guess what? Everybody else is like, hey, man, you know what? I'm going to say something to him, too. Get him out of this game. Because that's like the second or third time that that's happened. So clearly that's a problem. Bro, you too good. Hey, go score on him. Go score on him and say, nah, see, every time you keep running your mouth,

this is what I'm going to do to you. Right, right, right, right, right. Oh, man. But he said after the game, he didn't. Oh, man. But, uh, he said, DK said after the game, he didn't hear the whistle blowing, the play dead, so he continued

to block the guy. Hey, I love DK. DK, you my dog, nephew. DK, shut up. Hey, you know, one kind of line out there. No, I'm saying he didn't hit a whistle?

Yeah, he said he didn't hit a whistle. Say, you know, hey. I like it. I like it. I love it. Thank you guys for watching. Please click that subscribe button to make sure you get the alerts and notifications

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