Nightcap - Nightcap - Giants Lose Again, Rodney Harrison's Comments, Shannon Story Time

Episode Date: October 3, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson discuss the Giants losing to the Seahawks on Monday Night Football, Rodney Harrison's comments about Zach Wilson, Pro Bowl stories, and more.  #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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terms, and responsible gaming resources. Hello, welcome to another edition of Nightcap. I am Shannon Sharp, your favorite uncle, and he is Chad Ocho Cinco, your favorite number 85. That's me. Ring of Honor, Cincinnati Bengals. Great. Thanks for joining us. Let's jump right into it, Ocho.

Tonight, the Seahawks hammer the Giants. 24-3. Remember, they got beat 40-0 at home, opening night against the Cowboys. Cowboys. Daniel Jones was sacked 10 times. Two picks. Bumble loss. Let's just say Danny Dimes tonight wasn't worth a wooden nickel.

What you got for me? Listen, I love Daniel Jones. I love him. Obviously, he is the $40 million quarterback in the Big Apple, the New York Giants. They decided not to pay Saquon Barkley. Obviously, even though Saquon Barkley is hurt, I think he could have helped a little bit tonight.

I don't think it would have changed the outcome of the game. But Daniel Jones, just watching him play the first half, his longest pass in the first half was seven yards. Was seven yards. That's not going to get you a W at all. At all. Darren Waller, if I'm not mistaken, had two catches.

Yeah. Two catches, if I'm not mistaken. They were moving the ball. They were moving the ball down the field they were fishing but you had a fumble that fumble when

who fumbled the ball Daniel Jones strip sack okay strip sack and get you know what the Seahawks got out of that

they got points out of that there was a pick there was a pick six who did that by Daniel Jones okay Devin Witherspoon

played out his mind, but I'm going to stick with the Giants right now. It was an atrocious showing by the Giants offensively. If there was a shining light or a glimmer of hope

for the Giants, it was Kayvon Thibodeau. It was Kayvon Thibodeau. He played some good goddamn football tonight and was one of the bright spots on the defensive side of the ball you know they say money doesn't

change you it makes you more of what you already are in sports money doesn't change you it makes you richer of what you already are Daniel Jones is a richer average quarterback and somehow owners and general managers think that, you know what, if we paid this guy, he'll all of a sudden get it. That's

not how it works. Ocho. You can't say if a guy's lazy, well, I'm going to give him a hundred million dollars and that's going to motivate him. If you're not self-motivated, it's going to be hard for money to motivate you. And Daniel Jones is an average quarterback. That's what he is. And somehow they thought by giving him $40 million was going to change what he actually is. And it's not. But I think we say he was an average quarterback based on the standard that we hold quarterbacks to.

Your Peyton Mannings, your Tom Brady's, your Patrick Mahomes, your Joe Burrows, the upper echelon of quarterbacks in today's NFL right now. Isn't that what he's taking the draft to be? Yeah, yes, it is. But it hasn't panned out to be such. It hasn't panned out to be such. But with the market, where the market was, with him being up as far as his rookie contract, the timing, I mean, he just, that is what he commands in general, whether he wants to or not.

They had to pay him because where else were you going? You needed a quarterback. Let me ask you a question. Can I ask you a question? Yes, sir. The housing market is booming. Right. If the house isn't worth $20 million, I'm not paying $20 million

because that's just what the market bears. That's not the way the NFL works. You know that. You know how hard it is to find a quarterback. You know how hard it is to find a quarterback. You understand how hard it is to find a quarterback. You pay one. So you just, even though you don't, do you believe the Giants actually think this guy can take them to a Super Bowl?

Yes or no? Deep down. Do I believe? I'm not the one cutting the check. I'm not the one cutting the check. The Giants. In order, and, oh, man. What did you say about him in week one?

Hold on. I don't think they have the tools to be able to take the Giants to the Super Bowl. I don't think they have the tools. Because they're not using. They're not using. For one, with the tools they do have at their disposal, they're not using them the right way. They're not using them the right way. They're just not. them the right way. They're not using them the right way. They're just not.

Here's the thing. How can I use you? Go ahead. Now that I think about it, I think about Rick Grossman, right? Remember Rick Grossman took the Chicago Bears to the Super Bowl? Yes. For one, the defense was good, right? Right, and they ran the football with Thomas Jones.

They ran the football. Obviously, it's a pass-happy league now. They have a great, great weaponry over there. Sterling Shepard. Come on. Ocho, man. Stop saying that. Listen, we don't need, we don't need, you don't need superstars to get the, you don't

need superstars to get the job done. You got to have superstar receivers or superstar quarterback. You can't have average on top of average and expect greatness. When did that happen? You don't have to be great to win a Super Bowl. When is the last time we had a great receiver to win a Super Bowl? You had a great quarterback.

Is Patrick Mahomes not a great quarterback? Yeah, he's a great quarterback. You're telling me you can take an average receiver, an average quarterback, and expect greatness. Is that what you're telling me? You know what comes into play? You know what comes into play? You know what comes into play? If you have average and average at receiving quarterback, you know what comes into play then?

You know where. Average. But listen, that's where your coaching comes into play. That's where your play calling comes into play. That's when if you play spades, right, and you get a certain hand and you get the cards that you were dealt, you got to play a different kind of way to win. You got to play the game a different kind of way if you want to win. The cars that you are dealt, you got to be able to figure it out. You can't.

The reason, do you believe the Patriots, when they was winning all of those Super Bowls, do you believe they could have won? I'm not the first one, notwithstanding, but do you could, you believe they could have won those Super Bowls without the greatness of Tom Brady? They could have taken any other average quarterback. I'm going to leave everything else the same. The only thing I'm removing is Tom Brady. Do you believe they win those championships?

No. Okay. Now, with that being said, you just told me you can take an average quarterback, average receiver. I didn't know. No, no. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if you have if I don't like calling nobody average anyway, this is the NFL. They're there for a reason. These are the one percenters in the world. There's levels. OK, there is levels. But listen to me.

If you have an average quarterback, average quarterback room or average quarterback, if have average receivers that means the coaching philosophy the scheme in what you do and go out there week in and week out has to be that much better it has to be that much better that's where the coaching comes into play i'm telling you it's not x and o's it's gems andes. So you keep telling me coaches, coach, okay, coach Belichick, is he not great? How is he doing without the greatness of Brady? Coach Belichick is a defensive mind, right? He was a defensive mind with Tom Brady. He was defensive with Tom Brady. He's a defensive minded coach though.

How's the New England Patriots defense doing? They're doing goddamn good. Okay, how about this doing? They're doing goddamn good. Okay, how about this here? They're doing good. Okay, I'm going to tell you. All these great, you say, okay, Charlie Wise was a great offensive line. Charlie Wise?

How did he do it? Notre Dame, Charlie Wise? Listen, let me finish my point, and I'm going to let you chime in. Charlie Wise was Tom Brady's first offensive coordinator. How did he do it in Notre Dame. How did he do at Notre Dame? How did he do at Kansas? Okay.

Josh McDaniels. How did he do at Denver? How is he doing at Oakland? Excuse me. Now, Las Vegas. Okay. I'm going to go another one. Who else?

Bill O'Brien. How did he do at Houston? So you keep telling me excellent, or you keep telling me the great minds, the great minds. Stop fooling yourself, Ocho. You know it comes down to players. I'm not.

Yeah, it does come down to players. But again, this is the NFL. This is the NFL. Even though there are tears, I'm just saying in order for things to work, in order for the Giants to get the most out of their players, you got to put them in positions to succeed and now if you have a if you have average players and you say you have an average quarterback then the coaching has to come into play and be that much more better than what you have than the product on the field it just has to or it gets exposed and right now they're getting

they're getting exposed oh joe all i'm saying is that the only thing you're going to get now, you keep saying is tears, T-E-A-R-S, tears. That's what you'll get with Daniel Jones, not the tear. It's only a few tier ones. It's only a handful of them. Yes. And everybody else got to come to play. Everybody else got to come to play ball. Ocho, Daniel Jones is not even tier two or tier three. Stop fooling yourself. Stop telling the play ball. Ocho, Daniel Jones is not even tier two or tier three. Stop fooling yourself.

Stop telling the people that, Ocho. Listen, you and I, we're going to have a great time. But in order for us to maintain credibility, we've got to be truthful now. You know Daniel Jones is not a tier two or a tier three quarterback. I didn't speak on him being tier one, two, or three. I just talked about what he did tonight, and it wasn't sufficient. I did that. What about week one? it wasn't sufficient. I did that. What about week one?

I wasn't sufficient enough to win the game. So what about week one? That was bad. That was bad all across the board. All I know is I keep hearing. And I only said it because it was week one. I wasn't all up in arms because it was week one. Somebody got to win. somebody got to lose.

You keep this goodness. You keep saying, oh, goodness, good, good, good. And Daniel Jones keeps giving you these performances. So how much more do you need to see before you come to the realization, say, you know what, man? I mean, the Giants are not going to win with him. I just said he didn't play well tonight. When has he played well?

He played well enough. He's done just enough to get the contract that he got. Because if he wasn't, they wouldn't have paid him. So we're placing everything on Jim. There's something that the Giants organization saw in Daniel Jones when he was rewarded the contract that he got. So are you working for the Giants organization So are you working for the Giants organization? I need you to

speak to what you see. Okay. I just told you what I saw and I said it tonight. I'm not going to say any worse than what I already did. I stated he threw interceptions. Two of them at that. One to Diggs, one to Witherspoon.

He had a strip sack all of those ended up in points yes he didn't play well tonight okay he didn't play well tonight he didn't so over the course of his career have you seen more good or more bad that's a that's a goddamn good question that's okay well based on based on what you're saying i haven't watched enough of daniel jones to make that kind of you've watched enough the man's been in the league five years stop it yeah the man's been in the league a long time yeah he has i think what we've been able to see from him is not the worst of the worst it is not the best of the best it's the

middle of the pack somewhere where he's someone that you can work with and be what he's someone that you can work with and be efficient with and because he wasn't if he wasn't as bad as you think if he was bad as you think and keep saying he is despite what he's putting up he wouldn't have gotten the money he's gotten so it it's something that the Giants see. It's something that the Giants see. There's nothing I can say. Yes, there is, Ocho. That's what we're only here for.

I mean, I did. I just told you. I just told you he played bad. Let me ask you this. I just told you that. So everybody, everybody, everybody that's gotten a contract in the NFL, I'm not saying deserve, because deserve is the same, but if played has basically put up the numbers

to warrant them getting the contract they received. Everybody that's ever played in the NFL has done that. You got it. You have to do something. There has to be something that they see for you to get your money, because they ain't just paying just anybody. You know what? Here you go. Here you go, $40 million. They ain't just paying out no money like that. That's not what you just told me. You just told me. You know what? Here you go. Here you go, $40 million. You just told me. That's not what you

just told me. You just told me where else were the Giants going to go. They had to pay somebody. That's what you just told me. I'm saying, I'm not saying it in that matter. He was the best option at the time, which is why they paid him. So would you rather get hit by a Mack truck or a dump truck going 60 miles an hour?

Either way, you're going to, either way, I'm going to miss you. That's what I've been trying to get you to say. You see how simple that was? See, once I give you things in an analogy form, you grasp the concept a lot. It's simple.

Listen, you're killing me. It's 32 teams in the NFL. Your top tier, you got about four or five players. Yes. You got four or five players. So everybody else, you got to have something to work with.

So there's something that the Giants saw in Daniel Jones that they knew he is the answer for what we're trying to do. This is all we got to work with right now. Well, that's it. That's it. The problem that you have is that the reason why Daniel Jones can be somewhat effective

if Saquon is in and he can run the ball he can catch the ball out of the backfield so he can take those 3 to 5 yard routes and get you first downs he can get you 10 he can get you 15 he's a threat to take the ball to distance without him now

you're asking Daniel Jones and and mediocre receivers and then look if you're in the NFL your NFL but there's tap there's levels to you know everybody's not Tyreek so one or two things got to happen now if you want to go far somebody has to be great on the offensive side your quarterback your receivers something has to be great on the offensive side. Your quarterback, your receivers, something has to be great. Because if it's not, you're not going to go very far. Average and average is not going to get you very far. And again, that's why the first thing I said, if you, if these, these are your words, if you have an average quarterback room,

you have an average quarterback. If you have so-called average receivers yes that means to mask and get the most out of your offense and offensive players the coaching and the scheme has to be that much better if you don't have the players okay so tell me the coach it just does tell me tell me the coach that can get the – That can get it done? That can get it done with Daniel Jones and those receivers. Oh, well, he's in Kansas City, and the other one is in –

he's in Kansas City calling the plays in Kansas City, and the other one is calling – He has Patrick Mahomes. And the other one is calling the plays in D.C. He's Patrick Mahomes. And there's another one named – last name Shanahan. He's with the 49ers. Now I'm giving you, I'm giving you offensive coaches that have a creative mind that can get the most out of their players, which is maybe what the Giants offensive staff is lacking.

The creativity, the creativity that they need to be successful if everybody's so average. But here's the thing. If you have average quarterback and you have average receivers, what's the one thing they can't do? Turn the football over. Turn the ball over. You can't turn the ball over at all. What has Daniel Jones done just about as much as more than just about

anybody else in the league since he's been in the league? He's turned the ball over. So now you don't – You've got to protect the ball. You don't have greatness. Like Patrick Mahomes can play bad, but he has the ability to overcome that. Yeah. Daniel Jones can't play but can't turn the ball over

and have the ability to overcome that because he doesn't have a Justin Jefferson. He doesn't have a Tyreek. He doesn't have a Tyreek. He doesn't have these elite-level receivers. So that's the problem that you're running into with the Daniel Jones. Now, this notion that if we – in the NFL – but you notice that, Ocho? Quarterback is the only position that they'll overpay and say, well, if we overpay him, we can make something up. They won't do that for receiver.

They won't do that for the running back. The running back, even the top running backs can barely get money. So tell me the other position that you can be average to below average. They'll pay you above a market value, above, just like, you know what? All we got to do. Well, where else can we go to find it? They'll go out and find an offensive lineman. They'll go out and find everybody.

But for an average quarterback, I'm not saying you're trying to replace Patrick Mahomes or Justin Herbert or one of these top 10 quarterbacks. Daniel Jones is not top 10. But this is the funny thing about it. You know how scarce the quarterback position is? You know how scarce and hard it is to find a quality quarterback

or just a quarterback that can run your offense and just be efficient? You don't have to be Patrick Mahomes. You don't have to be Jalen Hur efficient. You don't have to be Patrick Mahomes. You don't have to be Jalen Hurts. You don't have to be Patrick Mahomes. I mean, you don't have to be Joe Burrow or goddamn Josh Allen. But the final quarterback that can be efficient and just run the offense and just give you a chance.

Can you give me a chance on Sunday? Can you be efficient? Now you've turned the ball over. It's still hard to find. It's hard to find. Ocho, the problem that I have is that you gave a guy that kind of money when you knew your offensive line was in shambles. That offensive line, they didn't upgrade the offensive line.

So the offensive line got him pummeled last year. Beginning pump. I mean, we thought he got obliterated in week one. They only sacked him seven times. He got 10 tonight tonight yeah yeah 10 and so i just don't understand the giant's philosophy is that you don't protect him you don't give him a a true number one receiver that he can throw to and now saquon is out now where do you go where do you find it because you got to see, and when he came off the field,

the coach, Brian Dayball, was like, bro, we ran a whip route. You run that route anticipating the DB is going to be on your hip. So if you're going to miss, you got to miss inside, Ocho. You got to miss inside. You miss wide. If you miss on his hip, the DB is on his hip, you're going to hit him right in his chest. And where did he hit him at?

Right between the numbers. Rios, I like a reservation for six. And that's a very hard restaurant to get into in New York. Oh, yeah. The Giants now are 3-11 in the last 11 games in which Saquon Barkley has missed.

Daniel Jones has more interceptions than touchdowns in games that Saquon Barkley does not play. Daniel Jones is 1-12 in primetime games. Worst winning percentage ever. Saquon, I'm going to say that again. John Mara, the tissues, whomever

the general manager is, Brian Dayball, you don't go because Daniel Jones. Saquon Barkley is the engine. Saquon Barkley is the engine. Everybody knew that, but for some reason they don't value...

Oh, they knew. They knew. They understand. They understand, but they tried to do it. They tried to toe the line for the NFL. For the league. They tried to keep the running the nfl oh yeah league you got the running back they tried to keep the running back market suppressed they're trying to suppress the market yeah yeah yeah but not now your team's suffering true let's move it along rodney harrison i played against rodney we're in the same division for a number of years very good friend of mine we used

to work out together occasionally um when he was when he moved to Atlanta I lived in Atlanta so I know Rodney very well he said something last night where Chris Jones after the game and he asked him did it surprise you that Zach Wilson played so well considering what you had seen on tape and he caught a lot of blowback because people and and and and i want to get your thoughts and i'm gonna go back and and tell you what i'm thinking and he caught a lot of blowback um for what he said and then he refrained ask him another way and he said that he was garbage what what are your what are your thoughts on what rodney said and how Chris Jones handled that. Chris Jones, class act. Class act. He's a class act. Rodney Harrison trying to bait him into saying something bad about Zach

based on Rodney's assessment based on Zach's play. And everybody else has been saying, and I like to think I'm one of the few that have always stuck up for Zach for the past three years. But that was, and I've had this problem with you before as well, with you wanting me to be a little bit more critical of players so I can have some type of credibility when I am talking about the players and being able to analyze them and making a fair assessment about their play.

And I kind of shun on the idea of doing so because players don't really take it well. They take it personal, you know. And one of the things for someone like Rodney Harrison, who's been in the business on the other side now for quite some time, I think was very unprofessional, very unprofessional to go that route and speak that way about a player in that manner. There are ways to analyze and critique players on their play without it being personal oh and that one just a little that was a little over the line for me just a little a little over the line so you think that his use of word the term garbage made it personal to you yeah that that's personal and that's not the way to conduct

an interview in general talking about another player especially trying to bait another player to agree with you on what you're saying just to say something bad like you you don't you don't do that it might have been the right message the wrong messenger right message wrong messenger I think the thing what happened is that he was fine when he said Chris are you surprised how well Zach played considering what you had seen on tape and be honest I believe if he had left honest out because when I ask you a question if I'm asking a player a question I'm expecting him to be honest And even though deep down in the back of my mind, I don't believe he's honest,

considering that I played the game, I was in the locker room, and so I'm assessing. That's not for me to decide. That's not for me to try to come back and say, okay. Now, here's another thing. Rodney has to understand NBC has the game. Right. And they have what we call production meeting you've been

in production meetings I've been in production meeting a lot of the key offensive players defensive players and coaches before the game they go into they sit down and like well how you feeling you know you you know oh we feel good uh last week well you know we came you know with a tub with a a much win or a very tough loss. We're looking to get back on the right track, yada, yada, yada. You can't be as critical as, say, me because we're away from it. We don't have the game, even though if I'm on the network, I now work for ESPN, I'm not like him going to production meeting so I'm further enough removed

so NBC is not going to get that kind of blowback and I mean ESPN is not going to get that blowback like NBC is because of Rodney said that right and so for me and I get it I mean we don't like the uh considering that he used the term garbage um And I think that's kind of, but like Rodney said, what a lot of other analysts are thinking. He just have to be mindful of what he can and can't say. I mean, there's a way.

There's a way to get your message across and deliver it in a certain way. Again, he's been in the business for a long time. There's a way to do things. There's a way to do things there's a way to say things you know but just just it was it was distasteful very distasteful especially trying to bait him hey i don't know how many you guys because a lot of you guys don't know but rodney was not a slouch rodney was not some bum i know a lot of you oh he was the real deal now i hear a lot of guys talking all this gibberish.

Y'all better go back. Y'all, hey, y'all better go back and check this man, Tate. He was the real deal. He was the real deal. I played against him when he was with the Chargers. I played against him also. I played. He was in my division for about seven years.

Real deal. I know Rodney very well. I know by that forearm, too. Oh, a lot. Hey, it would have been tough for him to play in today's game. Oh, yeah. Big time. Big time.

They defined that physicality that he brought to the table. They defined that out of him. But I just think the thing is, like I said, I know Rodonnie and i'll probably reach out to him tomorrow and talk to him and get his thoughts in that conversation between he and i remain private but i just think sometimes we just have to be mindful especially him in his situation because he's actually talking to a player after the game and i believe he'd have been fine if he'd have just said Chris are you surprised how well Zach played tonight considering what you have seen on tape 11 at this point 11 at that you don't have to say you don't have to say and be honest right right right just assume that he's going to be

honest knowing more times than not a lot of times these guys are really good they've been coached up they're gonna give you coach speak. That's okay. But you ask the question. Now I'm going to leave it to my viewing audience at home, my listening audience, to decide whether CJ is telling the truth or not. That's not for me. That's not for me to try to

extract that information up out of him. Ask the question and if he answers it, yeah. I mean, but I thought he did. He's like, look, he did play well tonight. He played,

he played, he played well. We saw some big time throws that he had made on tape. He made some of those throws tonight. So I'm really not that surprised that he played as well. But I was glad that we came out here with the win. So CJ handled it perfectly. I just think there are a few statements

that Rodney could have made differently that probably would have changed the complexion of the interview. So are you ready to also agree that he played well? Are you still sticking with your sentiments that you said yesterday that Zach Wilson didn't play well?

Because you heard Chris Jones say it. You heard everybody else say it. You heard Patrick Mahomes say it. You played one hell of a game. Keep going. So can we get that from you as well? Can you right now say Zach Russell played a good game? If CJ wants to say that, that's fine.

But I already know quarterbacks going to stick up for other quarterbacks. They're going to give you – I guarantee you Geno Smith is going to say Daniel Jones played well tonight. If you ask him, I guarantee you he'll say, man, that was a tough game, but I thought under the circumstances, he played well. You already know. So you're just not going to give Zach Wilson his credit by the last next game, huh?

Give him credit for losing? I thought the objective was the win. So now you want me... I see where you're going. Okay. No, I ain't going nowhere. I'm right here. I ain't going nowhere. We got time tonight. I got time tonight. You ain't going to. No, I ain't going nowhere. I'm right here. I'm right here. I ain't going nowhere. We got time tonight. I got time tonight. I got time tonight.

You ain't going to give me credit? Okay. Tell me what I'm getting credit for. Playing a great game. They weren't able to come out on the winning end, but what he did in the game, some of the throws he made is a great foundation to build off of for the following week.

If you don't mind, Ash, put those last three possessions the Giants had up on my screen right quick. Come on, Ash. That's the game. No, no, no, no, no. Don't start with... Now all of a sudden, you Stevie Wonder. Now you waving side to side. Don't Stevie Wonder on me now. No.

Ash, put this up on my board. His last three possessions. Give me those right quick. Okay. Wilson's last three possessions. A punt, three and out, punt, fumble. Zach Wilson's last three jibes

ended. A punt, which was three and out, another punt, and a fumble. Now tell me this greatness. Where was the greatness in that? Okay. No, tell me this greatness. Where was the greatness in that? Okay. So the game came down to those last three possessions. Yes. In a game of that magnitude that's tied, you're absolutely right. It comes down to those possessions.

And again, let me remind you about some of the plays before that happened. All that doesn't matter. All that doesn't before that happened. All that doesn't matter. All that doesn't matter. All that doesn't matter. Because how many times have we seen other quarterbacks play bad? Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Tua, how many times? Dak Prescott. How many times have we seen quarterbacks?

Lamar Jackson. How many times have we seen quarterbacks, Lamar Jackson, how many times have we seen quarterbacks play bad, but when they need to have a drive to get a game-time field goal, a win, or not let the team get the ball back, they do that. How many times? All right. You're right. You're right.

I'm going to let you have this one. We going to come back to this. You'll see. Remember this. Don't jump on the goddamn Zach Wilson bandwagon later on in the season either. Bro, he got four flat tires and the engine

missing. He ain't going nowhere. Wobble jump on that. He ain't going nowhere. Remember that. Keep that same energy. As a matter of fact, Triple A on the way right now to try to get you going. Ride in the tow truck. You break down in the road and you don't

want to ride in the car. You ride up there with the tow truck driving you in the thing. Everybody say, hey man, what happened to Sean's car? But I'm going to let you. You know what? I'm going to let you have that bandwagon all to yourself I ain't gonna even get on it

cause I don't want to get crowded cause you gonna say everybody else on there with me you the only one that ain't on there yeah you the only one that ain't on there cause we can see

you can't see we can see what's coming I don't know objects are closer than they appear yeah you about to get sideswiped, Ocho.

We ain't even looking in the mirrors. We ain't looking in the mirrors. We looking straight ahead. Jay-Z caught some flack. He was talking about, he was talking with Kevin Hart, and Kevin Hart had said that it was a difficult conversation to have with cousins.

And Jay-Z said, yeah, we go to your aunt's house, and you go to your mom's house and your cousin's over and they're pitching you. Hey, bro, I got this great idea. I need $4,800 and I'm going to get you two mil back. And so people, and then everybody started listing. Jeff Bezos got a

loan from his father and Bill Gates got a loan from his father. And the Walton family got a loan from his dad, blah, blah, blah. Ain't nobody mentioned nothing about no cousins. All they mentioned about was kids getting loans from their, now I guarantee you, I don't know the name of JV Twins, but I know the oldest daughter is named Blue Ivy.

I guarantee you if Blue Ivy went to her dad, went to her mom, and said, Mom, Dad, look what I've been trying, this is what I need to do, and I need a little extra capital to get this thing really, really going. I don't think Ho, I don't think Bey is going to have a problem. I'm saying Bey, Beyonce, I'm not saying Bey, so

I don't want to be disrespectful to that man. Beyonce is going to say no. So Sam Walton, Jeff Bezos, Phil Knight, Elon Musk, Donald Trump, Mark Zuckerberg. All got capital. Thank you. It's family. Ain't say nothing about cousins.

Now, go back and look at Jay-Z's history. He's taking care of his mom. He's taking care of his brothers and sisters. Immediate family. He got a homeboy named Ty Ty that I've heard him speak glowingly about. Y'all need, listen, it would be nice

if whole one had some first cousins, some second cousins, or third cousins, or what we, that's what we call dog kin. You're closer to a St. Bernard than you are that third or fourth cousin. But I'm okay. We call dog kin down south. But anyway, and so if that would be nice,. But I'm okay. That's what we call dog kids down south. But anyway, and so if that would be nice, if Jay-Z said, you know what?

Hey, I want to break y'all off. But Jay-Z is under no obligation. I don't care. Well, if I had a billion dollars, that's probably why you couldn't get to a billion dollars, because you're giving away money that you don't have. Yeah. Yeah. And the funny thing, this is the funny thing about family this is the funny thing about family it's the funny thing

about friends everybody always has an idea everybody has everybody always had this idea on how to make money but they need your money in order to do it right they always need your money to do it but one half the time they don't't think these plans and ways to make money out. There's no business plan to it. It's just an idea in your head. And as soon as they bring your idea and you ask them, well, show me a business plan and show me how you're going to make it work. Let me see something. Never have anything to show for it's just a thought it's just a thought and and something about our people is we really have no respect or value for a dollar no at all and you have an expectation and you automatically expect because we think oh if i make it i i'm supposed to bring

everybody all 20 all 375 of my closest kin. It don't work like that. And all 375 would be broke. Yes. And then. Ocho, it trips me out when people, you try to help everybody. Then all of a sudden, you go broke. Man, I don't know how he lost all that money.

Giving it to you, mofos. That's how I lost all my money. I'm helping you with car payment. I'm helping you all my money. I'm helping you with car payment. I'm helping you with your kids. I'm helping you with house notes. I'm helping you do all this other stuff. And then when I go broke, now y'all looking at me crazy. Yeah. Listen, one of the

fastest ways to go broke is not learning how to say no. It's normally family. It's normally family that will continue to drain you. Sometimes it's your closest relative. Sometimes it's your own mom, it's your own daddy. Sometimes you got to know how to deal with them at arm's length when they don't have structure and discipline. That is the most dangerous thing for young athletes or for anyone that has money in general. They will continue to drain you over and over.

When you give them once, they're going to come back when they run out. You give somebody five grand, all you're doing, if you take... Coach O, you give somebody five grand, man, you're making

five, six billion dollars. What's ten grand to you? That's 5,000 more than you started to you? That's five thousand more than you started with. That's a thousand more than you started with. You over here counting my pocket, talking about all that money I'm making. Considering that you came to me asking for money,

you should be grateful. And I'm giving you the money with no expectation of you returning it. That's what I do. I'm never going to give somebody money that I'm expecting it back. Because all it's going to do is going to cause me to lose. It's going to cause our friendship or our kinship. It's going to cause a friction.

Because if I give you money and I expect it back and you don't pay me, now I'm not going to see. Everybody always wants you to, man, man, that little bit of money. Now it's a little bit of money. When I want you to pay it back, it's a little bit of money. You didn't say that when you came and asked me for it. You ain't mentioned nothing about the whole little piece of money. That little bit of money.

Hey, man, let me hold a little bit of money. You asked me, let me borrow $1,000. Let me hold $5,000. I ain't got no problem with that. I have in the past. My uncles and aunts, I went to the suit. Hey, okay? Man, I had an uncle. Every time my homeboy, my homeboys and friends come around,

man, you know I used to change diapers on that boy. Ocho, man, don't laugh, Ocho. Ocho, every time I come around, my homeboys I come around my home, not the old school story, man, you know, I changed. So I pulled him to the side. I gave thirty five hundred dollars. I said, don't tell that damn story no more now. OK. I'm dead. See, you laugh at Ocho, but I'm dead serious. I said, don't tell that story no more now. Yeah. So that's that's the end of that story. But I go to the soup bowl and I come back. I give my don't tell that story no more now. I said, that's the end of that story. But I go to the Super Bowl, and I come back.

My mom had eight brothers and sisters. All of them was married. I come home, $5,000 for you. Even though if it's not, they my relative through my mom. I give my sisters, I give their husband, same thing. Boom, boom, boom.

Okay, you wasn't going to the game. Because me, when it came to the Super Bowl, the first time you see me play, wasn't going to be in the Super Bowl. If you hadn't seen a preseason game or regular season game or a playoff game, and you think the first time that you're going to see me play, it's going to be in the damn Super Bowl? Ain't happening. Mm-mm.

Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Mm- happening. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. That ain't happening. But, man, people need to stop this. They think, man, if I had a billion dollars, no, you wouldn't.

No, you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't. People always say what they would do because they've never been in that situation. Situation. And the funny thing about it, another thing we need to learn, we have no, no, no structure, no discipline when it comes to spending money. We have the mindset is I'm a blow a bag and go make it right back. And always listen and always think that every play that play that you always do on a web of hustle that may be.

It ain't always hit. It won't always be hitting whatever it is that you may be doing, whether it's something good or whether it's something bad, it ain't going to always hit the way you think it is. Just our mindset and the way we think, man, there's no type of discipline when it comes to spending money. And they always got an idea. Everybody always had this wonderful idea on a way to make money but never have none of their own.

No. Always. idea on a way to make money but never have none of their own no always like i said and when people like well what you're gonna do for your kids my kids will tell you you go ask any of my kids they're gonna tell you i'm dead is i'm i'm dead is the last option not the first choice because i i sent you to private school i I sent you to college. Okay. Now, if you can't figure it out, let's talk about it. Now, don't go make a mistake and then come ask daddy to bail you out because you should have asked daddy first. Right.

Because, you know, a lot of times I'm grown. You know what I noticed? My kids are always grown when it come, except with money. They ain't grown when it come to money. When it come to money, you know, I'm dead a little girl. I'm dead a little boy. Whoa!

You say you can drink it, you can curse it, you can do all this stuff, but now you need some money. You ain't grown no more. Yeah. My kids have been very, very good, but they know I'm

last option, not first choice. Now, we're going to sit down and talk about it, and I'm going to help. I'm not going to leave. I'm going to help them out once. Because my kids are knock on wood. They've never been, hey. Because I say, if you ever get in trouble, you get a DUI.

I already know. My kids will tell you. If you were to get a DUI, who the fuck my kids will tell you, if you were to get a DUI, what you, who the fuck, don't, I'm not calling my dad. I'm going to tell my mom not to tell my dad. Cause I'm going to be in the pen right, I'm going to be in the pen right next to you, but for a whole different reason. So they already know. And hey, listen, I work my tail off because a lot of what i do is for for the kids and the grandkids my son has i have a grandson but uh you know hopefully knock on wood my daughter's gonna get married and have kids and so what i'm working hard for now is to start it because you know my

mom and dad and my grandparents didn't have anything to leave me but i'm gonna leave my kids and kids kids kids well well off right they're gonna be straight now i'm not gonna say they're gonna be as as business minded as i am and right every shiny toy that comes along like i want this new car i want that because eventually if y'all don't do the right things the business is gonna go away the money's gonna dissipate he's gonna run away. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to disappear. But I understand what Jay,

and it's only people that's in that situation that have money. And I don't have nearly the money that Jay-Z has or, or, or Kevin Hart or any of these people that were mentioned, but you have to say no. Oh, Joe, you're absolutely right.

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technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I don't think people understand. I don't think people understand how difficult it is to navigate having large sums of money, especially when you've had it for a while or just being a rookie for that matter, or just coming into your own or coming into money and having all these new friends.

You have all these new friends, all this pressure and wanting to fit in. You think you're given, I call it transactional access. You don't need nobody. You don't need nobody. You don't need the entourage. Because every time you see entourage, it's only one person really got money. Yeah. And then you got to feed all them different mouths, man. It's crazy.

It's crazy. I mean, we could talk about that topic. I can go on and on and on. When it comes to financial literacy, that's my thing. I'm on that. talk about that topic. I can go on and on and on. You know, when it when it comes to financial literacy, that that's that's my thing. Yeah, I'm on that. I'm on that. I remember a couple of years ago, there was an article that came out that I think Dr. Dre daughter, he was taking care of her. He was financially supporting her. And I think she had lost a Range Rover after her. She had four kids and I'm not I don't want to just know, I think it was a couple of different dads. I don't want to say four different baby dads,

but I think maybe one or two different dads and people like, man, Jay-Z, excuse me, Dr. Dre has all that money. Dr. Dre is not under an obligation. All I, you know what I told my kids, Ocho? I say, all I owe you is an education i don't owe you anything else i'm not i could die and leave everything that i've worked my butt off to you but i don't owe you that i owe you an education to get you the best education i possibly can to get you started after that this notion that you owe your kids. You see

the problem? You know why? You know, we've made lazy kids. You know why we made lazy kids? Because in our mind, we want them to have it easier than what we had it. Right. You wouldn't have gotten to where you got. You wouldn't have gotten to where you, if your mom would have babied you, like you do some

of your kids, you're not Ocho Cinco. I'm damn sure not shannon sharp right that's a good one and that that that's a very touchy subject too that's a very touchy subject because some of the times i've seen it on twitter before um jackie chan when he talked about his wealth and he said yeah i wasn't leaving he wasn't leaving any of his fortune to his kids and just watching twitter go going to uproar. All parents always want their kids to suffer. So they didn't have to like, and so that's a touchy subject. As far as when it comes to my kids, they know if they need anything, I'm the first and the

last option. You know, if you have somewhere to go, it's okay. But if you need it, you know, you can call. Now, if it's something extreme and out the blue, you already know it's not happening. We talk about important stuff. We talk about necessities, not wants. Now, the wants, we do those things around the holidays. You know, Christmas, birthdays,

we'll take care of your wants then. But anything that's a necessity that you need, they know they can call at any time. But that's a very touchy subject, what you just said. Very, very touchy. But you notice everybody always have ideas how you should spend your money? But that's a very touchy subject, what you just said. Very, very touchy. But you notice everybody always have ideas how you should spend your money?

Yeah. Yeah. Everybody got great ideas with your money. Man, I would do this. I would do that. No, you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't. It's easy to say.

Because my brother had money before I had it. And I couldn't understand. Man, you got money. It's easy. It's easy to say. Cause I remember my brother had money before I had it and I couldn't understand, man, you got money, man. What that? I used to leave the door wide open. He's like, bro, are you trying to cool? Are you trying to heat the outside? Also, man, all that money you got. He said, you were. Man, man, my kid.

What do you do? Leave that door. Let this air door let this air let this heat up out this house what the hell wrong with y'all I don't know

Georgia Power and you have a greater appreciation for it when it's yours when it's coming out of your pockets and now you want

people to understand it and respect it and value it like you do that's the hardest thing to get somebody to value things but it's hard to value something that you do. That's the hardest thing to get somebody to value things, but it's hard to value something that you didn't, you didn't buy.

You didn't create or work for don't own, or you didn't work for. It's hard. Yeah. But once you get to that point, I treat people's stuff how I would want my stuff treated. I don't, you know, you know, Hey, I asked if I go to somebody's house, which is a rarity, I think I can count. I think I can count, Ochoa, all right, no lie. I think I can count on one hand

how many people houses I've been in in the last 10 years. Trying to think. I got about three. I don't, I can't remember. Let me tell you something and people are going to be like, man, what?

I haven't spent the night at a girl's house at her house in probably 30 years. What? I had a bad situation. Oh, he pulled up on you? He pulled up on you? Oh, you pulled, you pulled that scrap out on situation. Oh, he pulled up on you? He pulled up on you?

Oh, you pulled that scrap out on you? Oh, no. I had two situations. Check this out. I had just got drafted. This was in May of 1990. Yeah. And I called a young lady that I used to talk to,

but I didn't mess with anymore. So I was coming back with anymore so I was coming back from Denver because I was still in school but I didn't want to drive home in the middle of the night and wake my grandma up because she was gonna like think something's wrong right so I was like I called I said hey you see anybody she's like no I ain't seeing nobody I say I don't want to wake my grandmother up I could have just went I could have went and got a hotel room for $50. That's what I should have done. You being fast? You being hot? No. Check this out, Ocho. Check this out.

She said, no, you can come on over so I go over. Something tells me, Ocho, I got on shorts and a t-shirt. I got a t-shirt and shorts on. Something tells me, keep your stuff on. I ain't, that night ain't nothing pop off.

Right. Ocho, you ever been asleep, you feel like you can't move, but you can hear everything. Right. I felt, I felt like I was dreaming, but I could hear people arguing. Oh, shit. But I can't move. Ocho, you know, you've been like, you're trying to move,

but I can't move. I know what you're talking about. Right. After a while, boom, the door flies off the hinges. So you got to understand, Ocho, your boy about to be 22. So I'm paid. Hey, you know what I'm saying, Ocho? So your boy, hey, if I got to do this, hey.

So I'm ready. I'm priming. Okay. I make eye contact. Uh-huh. Oh, bro. It wouldn't have been good, Ocho. What happened?

He had a couple of bodies on his resume. Oh, shit. So he recognized who I was. I recognized who he was. Yeah. So he's like, Sharp? I said, yeah, man. He said, man, I love, man, hey,

congratulations going to the Broncos, bro. Ooh, that's live. That's live. He said, man, you at Savannah State, bro, I used to tell my homies, I used to tell the homies, I love man hey congratulations going to the Broncos that's live that's live he said man you're a Savannah State boy I used to tell my homies I used to tell the homies I said that boy Sharp

he going to the NFL I put my shoes on I had my socks on and everything got up out of here check this out Ocho I said God if you get me out

of this situation I won't get back in another one yeah three years later I go back to Savannah State Homecoming. I called her and said, what's going on? I said, you know your boy?

The same girl? No, a different one. Different one. No, no different one. She said, check this out with your, I said, you know your boy in town? She said, come on over, come on over. I said, okay. I ride with my homeboy, Bucket. I said, Bucket, turn around, because we had just left campus. I said, turn this thing around, Bucket. He turned around. We pull up. So, I said, Bucket, turn around, because we had just left campus. I said, turn this thing around, Bucket.

He turned around. We pull up. So I said, homeboy, you know, watch. Homeboy said, hey, go home. Go home. Go home. Back there, homeboy. I said, all right.

So he get Jet Magazine. So, you know, I got a Rolly on. I got my Chang 84. So, you know, she's like, what? I ain't sick. You know, I'm good. Your boy good. I don't shit, but I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good, Ocho. know you're born good I'm feeling good I'm feeling good

Ocho I'm feeling good so by two okay I got my I got my shirt I took my shirt off

I see the door handle turning I'm like what the what the hell my homeboy thinking dude came in that thing with the AK and with the AK.

And with the AK. Now, mind you, she done undressed. I just got my shorts on, so I done just came up out my T-shirt and took my jewelry off. My rollie, my chain. So he look at me, I look at him. I say, this your people, my man? He's like, yeah. I said, okay, my bad.

Guess what he asked me? He said, my man, you sure? I said, yeah. He said, I thought so. So, I look out in the hallway, his homeboy got the salt off. My homeboy sitting on the couch. Because I know my homeboy would have

alerted me, but he got the salt off on him. You got the AKed me, but he got the salt off on him. You got the AK in me. Okay, okay. So, I get my stuff and say, my bad, bro. I say, I ain't know. I say, you know me. I don't know who you are. My bad. I'm at fault. I'm wrong.

So, I get my necklace. I'm shook. I'm shook. So, I leave and I'm thinking like, oh, shit. I'm shook. I'm shook. Yeah. So I leave and I'm thinking like, oh shit. I said, homeboy, I left my rollie in there.

He said, man, I said, man, you better turn this mo'core around. I'm going to get my joint. You really got it? Did I? Boy, that was 50 bands.

Why? Did I? Hey, I said, my man, my rollie on the dresser. He said, here? Hey, I said, my man, my role is on the dresser. He said, there you go, my man. I got it. Never again. So that's why it's been 30 years, huh? I can't, I can't, I can't say.

Hey, for the longest time, I would not go to a female's house without that thing on the table. Right, right, right, right, right. So I said, you know what? Just let me just look. I feel comfortable in my own home, but we're going to meet in a neutral place. I said, but I can't risk it anymore.

I said, because they're going to recognize who I am, and they're going to think because of who I am, I think I can run roughshod over them. I said, it ain't even worth it, Ocho. I say, but you got me out of that one. Yeah. Ain't closed my eyes at another female's house. That was it.

That dude walked in on us in 93. That's it. So 30 years. And listen, I don't have a story of that magnitude or story that great. I never had that problem. I rarely, rarely ever go to people's houses, especially spending the night because I got to be able to play my video games. So I'm not staying at your house.

But that was a good story, boy. And the funny thing about that story is that happened to a lot of dudes, but the outcome isn't as gracious as yours was. Isn't as gracious as yours was. Isn't as gracious as yours was. I believe had he not known who I was. Now, I do, I, hey, I did another story. I was at, I had an SL in

92, and I was in Savannah. So, you know, I used to have the old pay phone. And, you know, back then, they didn't have no GPS. You could punch it in and pull it up so she told me her address and I drove I said damn so I'm not even thinking

I mean I'm on 37th and Bull if you from Savannah you know exactly what I'm talking about and I pull in the parking lot Pasha had a car watch so I pull up there and the dude run up on me he said you know what it is. I said, my man, everything I got is in, hey, so my wallet

is in the car. Everything I got is in the car. He say, Sharp. I said, yeah, my man. Hey, he said, bro, you in the league, you better get a cell phone. Get out of here. You ain't got to tell me no more. Hey, but I still

made that call and went to Shawty's house. I did do that. Hey, bro, I got a pretty good call, bro. You ain't pass that up, huh? No, no, no, no. Hey, man, you shut up, man. Listen, I got some good stories,

man, but nothing like that to where my life was in danger. Boy, you tripping. You tripping. Oh, Ocho. Boy, you tripping. All they do is just tell me they had somebody,

and I would have never stepped up. Man, you know I wouldn't disrespect. I don't think women never tell the truth. And listen, and you just got to the league too? You think they finna ruin that opportunity and that chance? Yeah. Shit. Please ruin it. I'll thank. Shit. Ruin it. Please ruin it.

I'll thank you later. Ruin my chances. I'll thank you later. But that's one of my stories. And from time to time, I'm gonna share a few stories with you. Because I got a bunch of them over my 55 years. I got some good ones. I just not

like that though. LeBron and AD. LeBron says he's the face of the franchise. You look at all these retired numbers that surround this facility and all the greats have come here and AD is one of them is AD the face of the Lakers. Listen, I love, I love Anthony Davis. I love when you've been able to do what he's done in his entirety since he's been in the league. But to say he's one able to do what he's done in his entirety since he's been in the league. But to say he's one of the all-time greats, he is one of the all-time greats.

But to say he's one of the all-time greats in the Lakers organization, he hasn't been healthy enough. You've got to go way down. Yeah, he hasn't been healthy enough for me consistently to be considered one of the all-time greats at that organization. One of the best big men to ever play the game. One of the most skilled big men to ever play the game. And you know, Lakers known for big men. Yeah, they known for that. But all I need is for AD to be able to play a full season.

Maybe not every game, but not miss so many games. 65. Give me 65 games. That's it. Just give me 60. I'm going to say 60. Give me 60 games because when he's on the court, man, that That's it. Give me 60. I'm going to say 60. Give me 60 games because when he's on the court, man, that

motherfucker's hell. He is hell. He is hell to deal with on the defensive side, on the defensive end and the offensive end. But again, I respect what LeBron is doing. He's the GOAT for a reason. He will always be. He will always be

the face of that team, regardless of him big up in AD. Always. Hey, the difference is, AD talking about the face of the team, LeBron's the face of the NBA. NBA. It's like Jerry Jones is the face of the Cowboys. Patrick Mahomes is the face of the NFL.

That's two different, that's a whole different thing here. Yeah. Yeah, it is. I get what LeBron's trying to do. LeBron is for face of the NFL. That's two different, that's a whole different thing here. I get what LeBron's trying to do. LeBron is for the longest saying, AD, I need you to pick up the man. I need you to carry this thing now. Bro, I'm in year 19. I'm in year 20. Now I'm headed into year 21. You're supposed to be in your prime.

You're supposed to take this thing now and run. I can get, if AD were to take this thing and run with it, like I think – what I think he can, LeBron can easily get another two years. He can play – he'll be 39 in December. He can play until he's probably 41. He can get another two years in easy. And the funny thing about it, now –

Go ahead. It's mine. He still loves it. He's still sharp mentally. What broke me, Ocho, was meetings. I hate meetings.

I had heard two jet flanker drive. I had heard 50 bingo pick. I heard scat protection. When you hear that, there was nothing new to me. Right. And so now,

my fun was being on the bus or being in the locker room laughing and joking, and the practice field stretching. Man, the meeting, man, if Mike would have told me, hey, 84, don't even worry about meetings. I don't know. It would have been hard for me to

take that job at CBS. But when CBS told me, and they were going to give me more money than what I was making, and I wasn't going to have to take no hits. See you, Mike. See you. I'm just being honest. Russell Westbrook organized a team

minicamp in Las Vegas a couple of weeks ago. At dinner, you had to practice, and then you had to go to the team dinner. At the team dinner, Russ handed each player a new iPhone 15 Pro Max. What's the best gift you've ever given your teammates? Oh, man. The best gift I've ever given my teammates.

Man, I don't really think. It was too many people. There's too many people on the football team was too many people. It's too many people on the football team, man. It's too many. You know, normally the quarterbacks, they'll get them like track. I did that.

93, my first All-Pro team. I got a $10,000 bonus if I made All-Pro and if I made the Pro Bowl. So, I took my money, went to the Rolex

and another $3,000 out of my pocket and I brought all... Whoa, you went to the Rolex? I brought all the offensive linemen, Rolexes. Had them engraved. Thanks. Shannon Sharp.

Yeah, boy.ve, thanks. Shannon Sharp. Yeah, well, listen, man. Sugar ain't bought nobody. Ain't about nobody no watches now, man. I just, obviously, you know me somewhat, somewhat a little bit on how I carry myself when it comes to my finances. The thing, the most I've done is actually with the receivers is maybe taking everybody out to dinner. That's the best. Well, let me ask you a question. Did you take your offensive coordinator or your position coach

to the Pro Bowl when you went? No, no. Coach Brett? No, Coach Brett. I took all my – every year. Every year I made the Pro Bowl. So even though they were no longer coaching me, Les Steckle was the first coach that I took,

that when I made it, I took him and his wife. Then Brian Periani came after Les, after Wade Phillips' staff left. So now I go to the Pro Bowl, I bring BP, his wife, Les, and his wife, Chris. And then I go to Baltimore, I make the Pro Bowl. I take Wade Harmon, my position coach, his wife, Les, and his wife, Chris. And then I go to Baltimore. I make the Pro Bowl. I take Wade Harmon, my position coach, his wife.

BP, his wife, who's still at the Broncos. Les Steckle. Okay. That's live. I bring them out there, fly them out, put them up at the hotel, and we go do a dinner. You know what? I just want people to know.

I've never been naive enough to think? I just want people to know. I've never, I've never been naive enough to think that I got to where I am by myself. Right. So I wanted them to know that I appreciate what you had done for me.

Right. Les Steckle was, he's probably, probably first or second, Coach Hall, who was my high school coach, he drove the bus for my mom. He coached all my uncles, coached my aunts,

and he coached me and my brother. So he's probably, he's my favorite coach. But Les Steckle's probably a close second because the relationship that he and I have to this day, he calls me. He calls me every one of my kids' birthday. Les hadn't coached me in 30 years. He calls me every birthday for each of my kids.

Now, he calls me sweetheart. That was him, sweetheart. He always, every time, sweetheart, sweetheart. I just want him to know. I wanted BP to know. I just want him to know. I wanted BP to know. I wanted Wado to know. Bro, these pro bowls, these all pro, y'all help this. Yeah.

Invited them all. Now, some of them came, Les came, Les Steckle came. I mentioned Les in my speech. BP came. Wado didn't get to come because he was coaching at the time. Invited them all to the hall. Because I appreciate it. I appreciate everything that I

have accomplished up until that point as far as sports-wise, especially football, those guys had a large part to do with it. And that was my way of saying thank you. Yeah, I think what I did obviously when I made the Pro Bowls and the fact that I you. Yeah, I think what I did, obviously, when I made the Pro Bowls and the fact that I was in Hawaii, I think the players today,

they will never understand what it's like to make the Pro Bowl and what a treat it was to make the Pro Bowl back then because it was an actual treat. It was an actual treat and a trip for the family. Obviously, I took my kids, my family. I took my coach, my coach who was my trainer throughout the offseason because he's responsible for who I was. He's responsible for the confidence.

He's responsible for the bravado and really making me into the player I was. I took him all the time. Obviously, my grandma and my mom and my homeboys out the hood. My homeboys out the hood who I grew up with, I wanted them to have that experience and go go on that journey with me so i took them you know maybe one or two times other than that it was always you know my kids and my grandma my mom my my my sister she went the first two times my brother made it in 89 and 90 and she was done she didn't want to go anymore yeah um she's like it's

too far to fly um she was excited she'd be excited for two days and then she's just, it's too far to fly. She was excited. She'd be excited for two days. And then she's just basically in a room. Ready to go home. Ready to go home. So she's worried about my grandmother because we got to have one of my aunts to come in and sit with my grandmother. And you got to realize, okay,

California to Georgia is a three-hour time difference. And there's another two hours. So it's five hours. So you're thinking one thing and Granny's already in the bed. And so by the time you want to call us in the morning, you you go into bed and granny's just getting up. So after that point, so I never got a chance to bring him. My mom didn't really didn't really care to go. So that was that it was just basically me and me and my coaches.

I take the coaches and, you know, a couple of times have a couple of teammates, which was cool. And then in 2001, one of my last year in Baltimore, to have Ray and Woody to go, that was fun. But it was always fun to get an opportunity to see the guys that you compete against and sit around and eat burgers and, you know, order the Mai Tais and the Blue Hawaiians and the drinks and tell the story. And you get an opportunity to see Coach Belichick. You see a Peyton Manning let their hair down.

Now all of a sudden it's no more coach speak. Now all of a sudden it's just like they're having a great time. Hey, Sharper, you want something? Hey, but hey, Sharper, hey. And now we try to, hey, man, what's your room number? Oh, I'm such and such. Oh, now you got it. Oh, yeah, you messed up. man, what's your room number? Oh, I'm such and such. Oh, now you got it. Oh, yeah, you messed up.

You never give nobody your room number. You're going to charge me about $4,000 because I'm charging every drink. Hey, charge in the room 609. 609. Yeah. What you want? You want burger fries?

You want a drink? Yeah. Your wife, your kids need anything? Oh, yeah, we get you. Yeah, I remember that. I remember them days. Oh, they got your boy. They got your boy, we get you. Yeah, I remember that. I remember them days. Oh, they got your boy.

They got your boy. They got you. They got me. Yeah. What'd you call them? You know, I went over there back then. You know, the Buffalo was heavy. Thurman Thomas, Bruce Biscuit, Cornelius Bennett, Jim Kelly.

I'm like, Jim, you're not a rookie. Jim buying everybody. Jim Kelly, he might have been the greatest Pro Bowl teammate because he's there for everything. I don't know what he was with the quarterback, but they just benevolent. They just, you want a drink? Bro, I don't even drink, but okay. So you don't feel like I'm turning you down

sure I'll take one but it's great and that's the best part about it that's the thing that you know going to the Pro Bowl, meeting the guys get an opportunity to sit around and talk and meet their family, oh this is my mom this is my dad and take the pictures

with their brothers and sisters and that was a great experience for me. Seeing people out of that element, out of that football element. Yeah. And actually, I think the first time actually seeing Ray Lewis, well, me and Ray knew each other for years, but seeing Peyton Manning. Yeah. Seeing Peyton Manning being, okay, this is not the same Peyton I saw throughout the season.

This isn't the same Peyton that does the interviews. Seeing Peyton Manning be Peyton Manning and not having to be politically correct. Yes. Answer questions with a mic in front of his face was one of the most enjoyable moments. Like, oh shit, these dudes are normal. They just like me, you know, in a sense. And the fact that they always have to mask it once you playing football and once you're putting that helmet on like that

has to be that has to be draining to actually change like a chameleon and be someone we just can't be you i'm thinking i'm trying to think i think my last pro Bowl, I think Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Steve McNair, rest his soul, might have been my quarterback. Wait, you was there? What year was that? Okay, okay, okay. My last year in Baltimore. Okay, okay.

2001, my last year in Baltimore. Oh, I had some great ones. I mean, I played with Marino, Elway, Kelly, Warren Moon. Oh, Joe Montana was my quarterback. I think it was Danny, Joe Montana, and Moon.

I had Elway, Kelly, Marino. God dang it. Hey, you boy. Hey, I went over to try to get me one catch. That's all I wanted to do. Get me one catch. Let my grandma see me catch a pass. And get out of that thing.

Oh, oh, oh, Joe. Let me tell you what happened. One year in 96, Jacksonville had beat us. Jacksonville had beat us in the playoff. And so it was me and Coates on the tight end. Ben Coates. Ben Coates.

Yeah. Now, you know, it's only two tight ends. And we're running double tight. We're running two tight ends. Now, we got, I said, bro. Well, I said, come on, man. Now, mind you, I ain't got no contract. I'm a free agent.

Right. Man, and I said, look here, man. Y'all need to I ain't got no contract. I'm a free agent. Right. Man, and I say, look here, man, y'all need to stop running this double tight stuff. I'm going to play the first. Ben going to play the second. I'm going to take it to third. Ben, bring it home. Right. They kept running double tight. I went and got me two bags of ice and put it on my knees. I said, Ben, you got it the rest of the way.

He said, come on, Sharp, don't do it. Sharp done. Hey, don't play with that money, huh? I ain't getting my money yet. Don't do it. Hey. Sharp done. Hey, don't play with that money, huh? I ain't even get my money yet. Don't play. Oh, no. Mm-mm.

Mm-mm. Oh, man. As a matter of fact, Dermot, Dermot Adonis will tell you, he pulled his hamstring at the Pro Bowl and he was never the same. Wait, he was going full speed? Tried to catch somebody on the interception. I think he tried to catch time look it up

Jermaine Dawson oh man but you have to understand Ocho back then guys would I mean you know back then the winning prize was 10,000 the losers got 5,000 so by the time you brought everybody over there that 5,000 was gone that 10,000. The losers got 5,000. So by the time you brought everybody over there, that 5,000

was gone. That 10,000 was gone. That's gone. Now come third, come fourth quarter, O'Brucey, Cortez, Seau, DC, they coming now. They done been bulljabbing for three quarters. Not a money

on the line. They coming. That's how we was, too. We was the same way. Yeah. Oh, it was. And you know, in practice, you know, guys, you know, T-Time, T-Time. Rest your soul. Junior said,

man, I want to play tight end. Okay. Hey, he playing tight end. I'm playing linebacker. So it comes to call the practice off. Because we had all the defensive players wanting to play the position. They'm playing linebacker. So, it's called a practice song. Because we had all the defensive players wanting to play the position. They all want to play offense. He's like, we're not getting anything done. He called again. Hey, take it in.

Okay. We booked them out of there. But those were some great times, Ocho. Good days. Good days. Tomorrow, you got to get up early. Tomorrow, I got to get up even earlier. Yeah.

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