Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: 49ers frustrated, Mahomes vs. Brady, Unc & Ocho's heartbreaks

Episode Date: February 6, 2024

Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the San Francisco 49ers complaining about the conditions of their practice field at UNLV, Mahomes says he isn't close to passing Tom Brady in the GOAT debate, Kliff Kingsbury getting hired by the Washington Commanders, LeVeon Bell saying he wants to return to the Pittsburgh Steelers, and much more! 00:00 - Introduction05:00 - 49ers frustrated with field21:40 - Mahomes' GOAT case40:00 - Commanders hire Kliff Kingsbury53:00 - Can Belichick relate to young players?1:14:00 - Unc & Ocho's heartbreaks #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and practicing in Santa Clara before the game, but have since backed off that plan. Tonight, Roger Goodell, Commissioner Goodell, maintained that the NFL has deemed the field playable despite the 49ers' concern. First of all, guess what? NFL officials, you're not playing. Y'all don't put no cleats on.

So, just because you say, oh, it's playable. Right. What about the players? What about the coaches that's going to be on there and are expecting a certain type of surface in order to be able to practice on? Now, we don't want to use that as an excuse, but I think in a situation like this, Ocho,

you want to make sure both an excuse but i think in a situation like this ocho you want to make sure both teams are at their best and the last thing you want is the one team to feel like we have an unfair advantage because the surface that we're practicing on is not is not adequate or is not appropriate or as it could close and as to the uh the surface that we're going to be playing on come Sunday. So, hopefully everybody gets this thing worked out and the 49ers say, you know what? Hey, it is what it is. Let's go make the best of it. But I just don't like the fact that the

commissioner just came out and said, they have deemed it. Let me ask you a question. Who put on cleats and went out there and tested it? Right. I mean, listen, it's obviously, it's unfortunate. I think on cleats and went out there and tested it? Right. I mean, listen, it's obviously it's unfortunate. I think about how you and I grew up. I think about the playing surfaces that we had to deal with. I think about the playing surfaces that I had to deal with playing throw up tackle at Charles Hadley Park,

playing throw up tackle at Moore Park down in Liberty City. And to think about how happy I was to play on those surfaces with holes and divots and all type of sprinkler heads coming up. And obviously, I know you expect once you make it to the highest level, you want everything to be perfect. And sometimes, any little inconvenience, oh, it's an issue. Or the playing surface is too small. Or just like, I get it. Obviously, it's Superbowl. So you, you, I don't think it's an unfair advantage now. Mind you now we've been playing football for 19 weeks, playing the game of football for 19 weeks.

Now we are grown men and at the smallest thing could be, we can't let the smallest thing be inconvenienced. We know what to do. We know we're going to be playing on Bermuda grass. That is very fast when it comes to game time. And a little inconvenience for the service not being what you're used to it being shouldn't be that much of a inconvenience when you want to think about flying back

home, you know, as opposed to going out there and practicing. Like, come on now. That's just me. Everybody else might be different. That's just me. And my thought process when it comes to it, based on where I came from and what I grew up having to do, something like the field, being a little different than what I'm used to,

wouldn't inconvenience me when I know the work I got to get in as far as coming and preparing for a game. Let's just say for the sake of argument. To me, it's nitpicking. You with the Bengals. And all of a sudden, I understand that you grew up playing on bingles and all of a sudden I understand that you grew up playing on those fields and all of a sudden the bingles had to go play on that field you okay with that

you dodging sprinkler heads divots bottles I see where you're going but that's very dramatic and you said what did you just say how you grew up playing on the sprinkler heads and dodging those I'm going to say concrete all that stuff but i'm

saying even even though it's at the highest level it isn't that much of inconvenience because the feel is a little soft like it's just come on now everything came perfect let me ask you a question why did you celebrate because in your mind it gave you advantage you needed to be ocho you wore your uniform a certain way and when the nfl told you to change your uniform what did you say Ocho? No. Why did you say no Ocho? It ended up a little minor inconvenience all they did was ask you to tuck your jersey all they did was ask you to put the towel on one side not the other would ask you to pull your socks up so why why was that such a problem for you? Because you know when you look good you play good and I wanted to dress the same way I dressed when I was a little

shorty. And I wasn't changing that no matter how much money you took from me because that's not what I valued. Oh! So in other words, the 49ers wanting to be practicing on the field that's going to be similar to what they played on is asking a bit too much.

Hey, I mean, I'm just giving you a small example of how I feel about it. I don't care if they had my black ass out there on muffin ice. I'm finna go practice and be ready for goddamn Sunday. But I'm just trying to say, but you wasn't willing to do that

with your uniform, but you expect them to be able to do that at the Super Bowl. This wasn't the Super Bowl. They said, Ocho, we need you to correct your uniform. They asked you to do this for a regular game

or a preseason game. And your mind wouldn't allow you to do that because you didn't feel if you changed anything about your uniform, you couldn't be Ocho. Right. That's exactly how I felt. And I understand we're going with it, but I think that's apples and oranges.

It's kind of different. Have you ever seen a fruit basket? Have you ever seen a fruit basket? They put apples and oranges in there. And pears too sometimes and some grapes. And some plums. But I understand. I understand their issue. Obviously, this is the biggest

game and you want everything to be as perfect as possible in your preparation for a game of this magnitude. I'm just saying for me, I ain't really giving a fuck about no goddamn surface, but man, I'm like, man, let's get this practice on, man.

Let's go to work. Now, I have played on the field, Ocho. Let's not make any excuses. Because if they lose, now what's the first thing you do? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because once you start playing on it, you get acclimated to it. It's less than ideal. Normally what we did, Ocho, if we had a great, I mean,

like we're going to play on turf. We might practice Friday on the turf. deal. Normally what we did, Ocho, if we had a great, I mean, like we gonna play on turf, we might practice Friday on the turf. But we were saving our legs on Wednesdays and Thursdays. And then Friday we would practice on turf to get our bodies used to it. Because you don't run routes the same way on turf as you

do grass. So that was the way Dan did it. That's the way Mike did it when he got there is that we would get some turf because that turf different. Now they don't have the turf like we used to have back in the day.

We had that concrete. We had carpet over concrete. That was a different type of turf. And when you left there, you had strawberries, you had rug burns, your knees hurt, everything hurt because that was a different type of turf. And when you left there, you had strawberries, you had rug burns, your knees hurt, everything hurt, because that was a pounding. Like you said, you played on concrete. That's exactly what you played on

when you played at the vet, or you played at the Astrodome, or you played at some of these stadiums that had turf. That was terrible. Now, in the preseason one year, I think it was 2001 that the field was so bad. I don't know if it was called the LinkedIn in Philadelphia or it was still the

Vets Stadium, but the stadium was deemed the NFL deemed it unplayable. That's how bad it was. Yeah, it was awful. It was awful. Somebody was going to get hurt. Damn. Somebody was going to get hurt. How long before they changed it, though? Well, we didn't play

that game i think they worked some things out because it was i mean you would go one place and then there was a divot about that deep but the carpet was there so you i mean you somebody was gonna get hurt right right somebody's gonna get hurt now i know you don't probably remember this but wendell davis he jumped up and caught a pass and he tore both of his uh think he's from Chicago. He ended up tearing both of his ACLs. Whoa. No, he ripped both of his patellas, not his ACLs. At the same time?

And tore both of his patella tendons at the vet. That's crazy. I ain't never heard of that. And needless to say, his career was over. So, I agree. I understand. In situations like that, sometimes you can,

you can mentally create a ghost. That's really not there. I understand what you're used to. And I, if I was reading, if I was reading correctly, Ocho, the grass was grown in,

they had robotics and they've been, this, this grass here has been monitored and it's supposed to be special. And it's being grown in. They had robotics, and they've been – this grass here has been monitored, and it's supposed to be special, and it's being flown in, especially for the Super Bowl. Now, it's going to be interesting. I don't think they're going to have – I don't think Allegiant has a retractable roof.

It's not like SoFi or Arizona. You remember Arizona has a retractable also. So it was a little slick because you remember guys were slipping early last year in the game. It's don't. So it's not retractable, right? Okay. It's not retractable. But look,

you made it this far and I don't believe the field is going to determine who's going to win this ballgame. No, no. But again, when something like this happens, somebody makes it not an excuse. Somebody has a gripe about something, a team itself. I guarantee you, if things don't work out come game time, somebody is going to say, well, you know what? We were at a disadvantage because when it was time to practice, we didn't have the feel, the adequate surface,

playing surface, similar to that that we would be on Sunday to work with during the week. I guarantee you, always, they will find something, always. That's why I don't even like the fact that somebody even said anything.

I think we were very fortunate in Ocho, because when we played, we got the Chargers facility, which was in La Jolla, which was amazing. We got the Dolphins facility, which was in Davie, which was amazing. But when we went to the Super Bowl in Tampa, the Giants got the Bucs facility, and we got South Florida facility. So you can understand that the difference in between an NFL facility and a college facility. Especially back then. Now, when you think about a college facility.

Well, if you talk about Alabama or Michigan or Ohio State, something like that. OK, fine. But when you talk about South Florida, Ocho, they ain't got no $100 million athletic money. Right, right, right. But look, it didn't matter. We could have played them joke in a lake. Yeah. The Giants wasn't going to beat that defense.

You see the attitude you have, though? You see that mindset you have? Yeah. That's the mindset that I would love for all players to have. Right. I would love for whoever the captains are for the 49ers to say,

whoever officials or personnel with the 49ers are complaining about a field, I would love for everyone to understand, man, man, fuck that. Man, we got work to do. Man, let's get out

and get this work done. We can't get about no goddamn field. You know what we've been through to even get to this point. Forget just the NFL, just in general, the playing conditions, the obstacles that we had to overcome to get here. You think we crying about some goddamn field?

Man, blow the whistle, man. Let's work. I'm just that's just, again, my mentality and my mindset. Yeah. I just hate it when it was raining. I was sure hoping that coach you sometime would call practice off when it started raining. I was sure hoping that coach would sometimes call practice off when it started raining, but that never happened. Never.

Never. Or when it was snowing or when it was cold. I'd be like, damn, it's cold out here. But I will say this. When it got really, really cold in Baltimore, Ocho, Brian Billing had heated seaside there for us. Yeah. So, why the offense?

If it's number one defense and it's going against the scout team offense, the start no on the heat, hot seats, just like you was at a game. Mike Shadday was playing that bull. J. Reed was playing that bull, John.

Man, you had to... I'm talking about this cold. Now, you know it get cold in Denver now. Get real cold. Oh, yeah. It snow. And guess what? Offensive linemen, all of them, I'm talking about this cold Now you know it get cold It never not Get real cold Oh yeah It snow And guess what Offensive linemen

All of them Always went out in shorts No matter how cold it was Hey Did your linemen do that too What about with no sleeves On game day They had a rule

No linemen wore sleeves No no you couldn't wear sleeves Yeah I never I never understood that Now I didn't wear sleeves When it was cold Because I need to be able To feel the ball up against me. Nah, I ain't one of them jokers holding.

Huh? I ain't one of them jokers holding. Because you know they're going to hold that and something for them to grab onto. You ain't got no choice, especially when it's cold. And if you're playing on a slick surface, you always want that advantage of being able to grab to be able to maintain your leverage.

Yep. And so, like like even when I put on when I put on Vaseline I never put it all I just put it on the outside of my arm because I was gonna have the ball inside the land right right it to have that things slip out so gasoline only went on I never put it on you always had somebody the equipment guy put it on for you but he never put it never never went above know, on the sides or up underneath. Right. And I didn't,

you know, and I didn't really, I just wore a cut off and I didn't, I couldn't, I couldn't wear a bunch of clothes. No, I feel restricted,

Unc. I did too. I did too. I feel restricted. I hate that. I hate the feeling of being, feeling restricted. Another,

it's a crazy thing. People laughing at me. I tweeted, I'm off topic, just a tad bit, to give you a little little little tidbit on how weird i was when it came to playing i was reebok during my day right i had reebok take all the insulation out of my shoe all the insulation out of a shoe i didn't want any cushion i didn't

want any ankle support i didn't want anything all i I wanted was the cleat. I want the bottom cleat and then put the shell around it and some shoelaces. So I wanted my cleats to feel like I had a track spike on. I need to feel the ground. I need to feel the ground. Anytime I wore tape, the tape was just more so for fashion. I hate my feet feeling restricted. I need to touch the floor and feel it as if I was wearing feet feeling restricted. I need to touch the floor and feel it as if I was wearing track spikes. When it came to

wearing an undershirt, I ain't wear nothing. I just put my shoulder pads on and then I put my jersey on. Yeah. I always had to cut off. And then, you know,

obviously we gutted our pants. We were the first team to wear no pads. I mean, most of us had no pads. They were like spandex. But I needed to be free. And so,

Ed McCaffrey did exactly what you did. He would cut all the inside out of his shoes. And you know, Ed's shoulder pads were smaller than the kickers. His pads were like this. His shoulder was out. His arms, man, he was yoked up, man. That's the one thing I remember about Ed McCaffrey, having them big ass arms with them little ass shoulder pads. Like, is it Martellus Bennett that used to do that? Remember Martellus Bennett's shoulder pads? Like he had on some little high school shoulder pads. because I needed to be the first person that I ever saw wear no pants and their pants was Ricky Jackson. So I want to give Ricky Jack credit

because we stole it from him. He was the first person that I ever saw that had no pants, no thigh pants, no heel pants, no knee pants. And I just looked so cool. And then I'm like, man. So we started like, hey, because you know, you can get Ed McCaffrey to do anything. I said, Ed, I think we'd be light if we did it.

He's like, you think so? You think so, Sharpie? I was like, hey, because you know, you can get Ed McCaffrey to do anything. I said, Ed, I think we'd be light if we did it. He's like, you think so? You think so, Sharpie? I was like, yeah. So Ed and I gutted it. And then everybody else started gutting their pants. And hell, Frank Gore took it to another level. He was running back with no thigh and knee pants. I was like, oh, hell no. And then had his pants all the way up above his knee at that.

Yes. With no ankles, with no tape on his ankles, just out there, just out there balling. Yeah. Oh, man. But yeah, so hopefully everything

is resolved. I'm sure the 49ers have had a conversation with the NFL. The NFL has gotten the field up to playing conditions what's adequate for those guys.

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I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Patrick Mahomes says that he's not even halfway close to being compared to Brady. Mahomes told reporters tonight that he didn't think he was even close to halfway what Brady has accomplished in the NFL. The goal is to be the best player you can. I've been blessed to have a lot of great players around me, and now is doing whatever I can to beat a great 49ers team and try to get a third ring you ask me the question like 15 years and I'll

see if I can get close to seven seven seems like a long ways away does Mahone need seven rings to be the goal I mean I mean when you think about it I think what he's done so far there's a reason he's even in the conversation because what he's done so far, there's a reason he's even in the conversation. Because of what he's been able to do in such a short amount of time. Now, if they're able to keep that team together, obviously the pieces are going to change at time due to money and players wanting to leave due to ability to attract free agents because Patrick Mahomes is there, they will always be able to continue to have success offensively and defensively. So I think there's a chance that this can continue. And I think the Kansas City Chiefs are going to have the exact same type of run with Patrick

Mahomes and Andy Reid being together that Bill Belichick and Tom Brady had. I think they're going to have the same exact type of run. I would really like it even more so if Trav was in year six as opposed to year 11 or 12. Right, right, right. Because you look at Mahomes in year seven, how many more years do you think Trav is going to be able to play at the level that he's playing at?

Right. And so at some point in time, he eventually will start to slow down. Now, to be able to try to replace him, because think about it, Brady won some Super Bowls, and this is not a knock on him, Christian Poirier, he had Wiggins, he had a couple of guys that wasn't Gronk. Right. But he did have Gronk from, you know, when he started winning the second half, 2014, stuff like that.

They went in against the Rams. They went in against the Legion of Boom. He goes to Tampa. But for me personally, I don't think he needs seven to become the GOAT. Yeah. No? You don't think he needs seven to become the GOAT. Yeah. No? You don't think so? No.

Because I think the thing is that we got to look at the total body of work. Right. What he would – excuse me. What Tom was able to do is that Tom got all the records. Mm-hmm. So let's just say for the sake of argument, Mahomes gets five. Right. But he has more passing yards,

more passing touchdowns. Okay. More regular season MVPs. Right. Because it can be most ring because people say Jordan is the goat and he doesn't have the most rings. He doesn't have the most regular season MVPs. He doesn't have the most points.

He doesn't have the most rebounds. He doesn't have the most assists. He doesn't have the most blocks. He doesn't have the most points he doesn't have the most rebounds he doesn't have the most assists he doesn't have the most blocks he doesn't have the most steals so it can't be just the quality of but it's the people believe jordan to go because you look at okay mvps in the postseason he has six mvps in the regular season he has five and his level of play well so if you look at patrick mahomes there's a chance that he might be five for five also he might he might only win five superbowl but the likelihood of someone else being the mvp isn't very good now it could happen i was there pacheco might have one of those one of those uh ricky smith type days and he goes for 200 plus yards right but even when smith ran for

200 yards doug williams was the m the MVP because he had over 300 and threw for four touchdowns. Because it's still a passing lead. Now, the likelihood of a running back, when was the last time a running back won the MVP in the Super Bowl? You got to go back. Oh, TD? Maybe was it TD? In 1997?

I'm trying to think of another running back that won it. Because when Willie Parker had that day, Hines Ward won the MVP. Won MVP, yeah. Hines had a hell of a team. So I'm trying to figure out, I back that won it. Because when Willie Parker had that day, Heinz Ward won the MVP. Won MVP, yeah. Heinz had a hell of a team. So I'm trying to figure out, I think his TD might have been the last running back to win the MVP.

Yeah, probably. If it's a Super Bowl MVP. It was TD. Think about it. That's 25, that's 26 years ago. Yeah, you got to have a hell of a performance as a running back to actually get that award. Yeah. Yeah, he had 157 in three TDs and he missed a hell of a performance as a running back to actually get that award. Yeah.

Yeah, he had 157 in three TDs, and he missed a quarter of football. Mm. So, like I said, the way they've changed the rules now, Ocho. Yeah. It's going to be hard for a running back. Unless he goes out there and have a Derrick Henry, a 250-yard game, it's going to be hard for a running back to win the MVP. Listen, and obviously he's not that style of back,

but if you're that type of back, if Pacheco was that type of back that can hit his head off the goalpost from anywhere on the field like a Chris Johnson type. Yeah. Oh, like... Christian McCaffrey's in play, though, Ojo. Christian McCaffrey's in play

because he can run it and catch it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's definitely in play. He's definitely in play for, Ocho. Christian McCaffrey is in play because he can run it and catch it. He's definitely in play. He's definitely in play for the Super Bowl MVP. Now, I believe he has probably the third best odds behind Mahomes, Purdy, and he's next. If any running back is going

to win it, the best chance is going to be this year with C-Mac because he can do it all. He can have 100 yards rushing. He can have 100 yards receiving. And he's a touchdown machine. So if anybody

is going to, if any running back is going to do what the last person to do what TD did for the Broncos in Super Bowl 32, it's going to be C-Mac. He's so damn versatile. So versatile. So versatile. So versatile. Mooney Ward spoke about handling this week before the Super Bowl.

He said, well, the Super Bowl is in Vegas, so it might turn up a little bit the first day or two out there. But after that, it's really just focus. Who does he play for? What? Oh, I don't know him. The whole week is really like a movie. You're going to see celebrities everywhere. No, you're not.

You do understand. And this is what we told the guys. Hold on. You do realize the festivities is for the people that's coming to the Super Bowl. The game is for you. That's the only thing for you in the Super Bowl game. He said pregame, you might see Jay-Z, Beyonce, Kevin Hart.

You probably will. But still, the game at the end of the day, we still got to go out there and try to win, especially the Super Bowl. You know that you don't want to F that up in the Super Bowl. And that's it. All the festivities that's going on and everybody will be having these parties. And, you know, first of all, you know what Vegas represents minus the Super Bowl. Right. So now you bring the Super Bowl, the biggest event in North America, the biggest sporting event in North America. Oh, yeah.

So basically, you got a 5X, 6X, 7X. Yeah. Your Super Bowl in Vegas. You know what the Super Bowl is like in Miami. You know what the Super Bowl is like in New Orleans.

You know what the Super Bowl is like in different places. Now add Vegas to the mix. So you already know it's on one. Yeah, most definitely. But it ain't for you. Yeah, at all. I think what the first two days

they get to enjoy themselves, right? Yeah, we got down there on a I mean, we got down on a Sunday. We had curfew at one o'clock. So we got curfew at one o'clock and then we got a Sunday. So you had curfew at 1 o'clock. So we got curfew at 1 o'clock and then we got a Sunday. So you had curfew at 1 o'clock Sunday. You had I think like 1130, maybe

midnight on Monday and then you was on a regular schedule. Wednesday on? Okay, okay. Okay, yeah. I think, you know, especially for those that haven't been there. Oh, Muddy Ward is Travarius Ward. Oh, I was like, who that those that haven't been there. Oh, Muddy Ward is Travarius

Ward. Oh. I was like, who that? Why didn't you just put his name in there anyway? Man, I don't know how to call it. Okay. But when we doing it, you got to understand, Ash, we speaking to people at home that's not his teammates. And that's what I have to, you know, like I said, we call people by their

nickname because everybody on the team got a nickname, won't you? And people are like, who are you talking about? You know what? I didn't even know who you were talking about. I didn't even know who you were talking about because you didn't say, you didn't say Trevius Ward. Yeah, Trevarius. So I guess what I'm saying, like Money Ward.

Who is Money Ward? Oh, that's his nickname. Yeah. That's what everybody called him. Everybody on the team might call him that. Yeah. I ain't know. Who do you call to that?

Oh, Lord have mercy. Listen, that shit, the way he been goddamn playing, he can go ahead and enjoy himself. It'll be money. He definitely been balling out of his mind. But yeah, that's the thing, Ocho. I think the thing is you go ahead and you get it out your system. Right.

I don't know. I'm trying to think. Because they're out the strip. And so the NFL, they got these resorts that's really, really nice, that's inclusive. And so, hey, I don't think the NFL really want those players, the 49ers and the Chiefs, coming to the strip and doing anything. I don't care if you're playing a little $5 hand of blackjack or anything else.

They don't want any cross contamination. So they're probably advising them. Maybe they got a little situation set up at their hotel. You can play blackjack. You can play roulette. You can play crab. You got a couple slot machines. You can do all the stuff that you would normally do

on the strip. You just do it here. I don't know. Even if you have all those amenities for them at your hotel, you know them boys getting out. You know them boys getting out. They getting out until it's time.

Especially them first two days. The first two days or whatever. However the schedule may be, if you're getting there early, I think to me, I'm thinking... She got there yesterday. She got there on Sunday. Sunday? So I know Monday

we'll have a date. Maybe you have Tuesday off. Well, you do that, but you got to take your pictures. That's your media day. Because see, normally Ocho, Tuesday was the media day.

Right. So that's when you put your uniform on, you got your NFL, your Super Bowl patches, and you go out there, you talk to the media, and that's when you put your uniform on, you got your NFL, your Super Bowl patches, and you go out there, you talk to the media, and that's when you take your Super Bowl picture. But now, the media

aspect is out of the way because they make that a big event. And so now you just go out there Tuesday, I don't know, maybe you have a walkthrough or something, and you go, you know, you do what you need to. I think we had a walkthrough on Monday. I'm trying to to. I think we had a walkthrough on Monday. I'm trying to think.

We might have had a walkthrough. Man, that's been so damn long ago. Yeah. But normally, you just go, you know. That walkthrough ain't nothing but an hour or two now. Look here. Ain't nothing but an hour. I don't know who told you what a walkthrough was,

but our walkthrough was no joke. Right. Our walkthrough ain't no, I don't know who turned it, turned it that, but they needed to call ours a run through. Y'all be moving, huh? This is how we knew. We played Green Bay.

Right. And we played Atlanta. The first two days, the ball didn't hit the dirt. Y'all boy was locked in. Because see, what we did, I don't know. Look, I'm thinking like West Coast And I can speak West Coast

We put our play We put everything in Right The week before So once we got to the location It's dress rehearsal Fast yeah Fast yeah

So you know it Now you might add a play here or there Come up with a specialty play You might add one play For third and one to three Or you might have a specialty play. You might add one play for third and one to three or you might have a little gadget play. You might add something, but all the heavy lifting

is done back home. So when we hit that field on Wednesday to get it. Yeah. Smooth sail. Locked in. Mike didn't have to say nothing. in. Mike didn't have to say nothing.

Right. Brian didn't have to say nothing. Because we did the same thing. We put the thing in in Baltimore. We put the game plan in the week before we left. And so when we got there, it was just like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Right. Okay.

And then you watch that defense. I'm like, Lord, have mercy. I said, boy, I felt sorry for Tiki now. I did, Ocho. I felt bad. Man, if you saw the way Raden was hunting in practice. Yeah.

Hey, they be thugging. Y'all was thugging up back then? No, we didn't thug it up. We didn't thug it up. Oh, no, no, no, no. No, but you could tell the way they was focused. They was on everything.

Every play, guys was where they was supposed to be. Right. I mean, it wasn't no, everything was contested without putting somebody on the ground. When they tried to run a comeback, Starks, we called him Heavy. Hit, there. C-Mac, there. Right.

They tried to run a seven route the one thing cory harris is one of the best guys i've ever seen and playing the seven route right he automatically if like if he got a whole safety you can nod all you want to to the post he ain't going he running to the seven now if you run if you run across right you got it yeah but he bite that he bite that that nod to the post. He up under that seven. You know, D. Starks is my quarterback at Beach High, my freshman year in high school. Was he? Yeah.

Samari was the other receiver. And then when D. Starks left, then Samari was the quarterback. And Samari was my quarterback. And y'all didn't win no state championship, did you? Nah, we didn't win no state, though. We was good. So what all that talent? What y'all do with all that talent? We was good, though.

Matter of fact, you know who else was there? I just forgot. Terry Cousins. Remember Terry Cousins? Yeah, I do. Yeah, Terry Cousins. And y'all didn't win no state championship? We was all on the same team, man. Now, we... And y'all, I know y'all on the same team. You told me that at Beach High School in Miami. Did you win a state championship? No, sir.

Oh, hell no, sir. We was good, though. We was good, man. We was a sight to see, man. Yeah, but that's the thing. I mean, Ocho, do you understand why you're there? Because they're going to chronicle this now. Hey, if you go back to Super Bowl 58,

somebody's going to lose this game. Now, they're going to chronicle this now. Hey, if you go back to Super Bowl 58, somebody's got to lose this game. Now, they're going to have three people that's going to talk about it and what it was like to go through the season, the ups, the downs, the highs, the lows, and the wins. I don't know if they chronicle the Super Bowl. I don't know if they have a talk to three players on the losing team. And it was fortunate. Unfortunately, it was fortunate for us. We won as opposed to

you kind of leave at the same time. And you see all the buses pull up at the airport and pull up and, you know, the guy's going to get off the plane. And you see them guys holding their head down. And we up there laughing and joking and talking and carried on talking loud.

Right. That ain't a good feeling. Ooh, Ocho. I was like, man, I don't never want to feel like that. Ooh, thank you. Knock on wood, man. God bless me. I went three times and got all three of them.

Because I can just imagine. Look, I don't know how you feel about this, Ocho, but I tell people this all the time. Losing hurts more than winning feel good. And you'll always remember the losses more than you will remember the wins. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, I've been through a lot of losing during my career.

Obviously, being in Cincinnati, to mask the losing, I tried to make it as fun and entertaining as possible, even though we were losing. We had a great year, my 2005 season. Obviously, we went 11-5 that year. And obviously, Carson went down with that hit by the D-tackle with the Steelers at that time on the first play of the game. Yeah, chemo.

Other than that, everything was decent. I go to the Patriots um i didn't really contribute the way i would have liked to you know that year but we won oh we and we won consistently and getting to that super bowl and playing against the giants and that feeling you know after losing it was bad now it was bad for me for one i'm not contributing the way i want to and then on top of that we lost the game so it was a double whammy right and that was the second time in as many years that they had just lost they lost to the giants in 2007 and they turn around and lose to the giants in 2010 yeah something about the giants i don't know what it was about them that what they just

had i don't know what they could get of your quarterback without sacrificing their back end. Bingo. And it comes down to plays. Tom sees the whole safety. He tries to throw it to Wes' back shoulder. Wes doesn't open his hip fully all around. He drops it because if he gets that, that's a first down.

The ball game's over. You remember to play, huh? I absolutely remember the play. And I understand why Tom Brady threw it behind him because he's worried about Wes getting blowed up by that whole safety. Oh, yeah, he was sitting right there. He was waiting on him.

Yeah, he was going to blow his ass up. But see, Ocho, that's the thing. As I analyze, you and I, we played the game. And so you understand why quarterbacks do certain things. See, when John would put the ball, like, if I'm facing John, You and I, we played the game. And so you understand why quarterbacks do certain things. See, when John would put the ball, like if I'm facing John, let's just say we call it a short cross. Some people call it a wall route.

If John put the ball between the eight and the four, he's telling me, Shannon, get up in your shadow. They're coming from both sides. Just turn and get straight up the field. If he put it on one side or the other, he's telling me go to that side because he can see what I can't. Right. So he's telling me if he put it here, I'm turning there. If he puts it here, I'm turning there.

If he puts it in my chest, I'm getting up in my shadow. Now, I'm going to feel some type of way if he put it here and I turn there and do. And you get smacked in the head. Don't clean my damn clock. Right. And you know, I'm going to be looking at him like, my bad, G. Okay. But I'm saying, so you understand

that. So when, and look, Wes, being who he is, he wasn't an undrafted player. He wasn't a rookie player. Wes Welker was one of the best. And so that's a catch that you really expect him to make. Yeah.

But I understood full well why Tom put it on his back shoulder that safety was gonna clean his clock and tom is very conscious of not putting his receivers in harm's way he's spoken about that about why he would throw certain balls certain ways because he didn't want the guy to get knocked out of the game. Right. But Wes couldn't come down with the ball. They have to punt. And then Eli makes two incredible throws. Throws. That Manningham. Manningham.

On the sideline. Sideline catch. Against two men. That was a good grab. You can't do it. You can't do it any better than that yeah so yeah oh cho check this out the commanders high cliff kingsbury fire eric b enemy i don't think any surprise that eric b enemy was fired commanders fire eric b enemy after one season with the team

quinn said he delivered the news to b enemy in person today we won't work together here but i wanted him to know i really respect the work he's done. I wish him nothing but the best. They also hired Cliff Kingsbury yesterday and people are speculating that Washington could move up to two since Cliff worked with Caleb at USC and Caleb is from D.C.

It's possible. Yeah. It's possible. I mean, when you want somebody bad enough, you will find a way to get up there and get them, especially when it comes to a quarterback of that magnitude who has the opportunity, I think, to actually change that franchise around.

When I think about him going two, well, who the hell is going number one? Marvin Harrison Jr.? No. Yeah, unless they know something we don't. I think they need to move up to one In order to ensure they get Caleb Williams Well you're going to have to give up

A heap of shit for that Oh it's going to take at least three ones Because look at what San Francisco gave up But San Francisco San Francisco didn't have to go from 12 to 3 Right But you're still going to have to give up 3-1. You're going to have to give up a 2,

a couple 3s. Oh, you're going to have to give it up. But if you believe he's the guy, Kansas City, people are like, man, they stole Patrick Mahomes now, even though they gave up 3-1s or 2 or 3.

Right. And that's the out of three. Right. And that's just, the hiring of Mr. Cliff, I always think about it. When you look at his resume, it's not one that jumps off the charts at you like, you know what?

This is someone that we need in the building. This is someone that can help us from a coaching standpoint and relate to our community. He always always fails up i ain't never seen nobody fails up fall up as much as he did and i think you know he got the job based on relationships obviously and the people he know and when it comes to the coaching tree the coaching umbrella and the coaching family there will always be someone under that umbrella that will be willing to give you a job based on who you know

that's what that's what it all comes down to it always comes down to who you know and what you know oh joe that's what i tell people this is what i've learned since i've been on the business side it's not about how much it's not about your education. It's about relationships. Yeah, yeah. I read somewhere like 80% of the jobs that get filled don't get posted. Hey, Ocho, you know we're hiring over here. Hey, Ash, weren't you looking for a job? Hey, they hiring over here.

Right. Hey, I put a word in for you. Yeah, sure. See how that work, Ocho? Every time. It's all about relationship. When they say it's not about what you know, it's who you know, that is 1,000. 1,000%.

That's why it's very important. That's why it's very, very important, very imperative, even those that are in the chat that are watching, it's imperative that you don't burn bridges. It's imperative that you don't burn bridges because you never know who you might meet and be rude to in life. Then later on down the road, they might not be the exact person you need, but they might be the bridge to somebody else that can say, yeah, you know what?

I know so-and-so. Good dude. So if you think about hiring him, think about hiring her, that's the route to go. Yep. Man, I ain't really never worked with Ocho, but man, I heard a number

of good things about him. And last, I mean, I had a buddy that worked with him and said, man, he a really hard worker.

On time, don't cause any problems. No. Okay. They don't, but he do curse, he curse too much. That's about it.

So, yeah, because if you remember, think about, Cliff got the job. Why? Because he worked with, who did he work with? Caleb? No, he coached

Kyler. Remember Kyler Murray? In Arizona. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, okay, okay. I thought you talked about, um... Didn't he coach Kyler? Yeah, yeah, okay. I thought you were talking about... Didn't he coach... Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's... I don't know, man. What don't you know? How to look at the resume, look at the difference in resumes. How do you not retain and bring back Bien-Aimé based on what he's accomplished so far in the nfl well

if you look at ojo ojo if you look at it if you look at washington stats the previous year they were down with the enemy so it's not like you say well hey we were the fourth best offense we scored the seventh most points we had the this most first first downs. I mean, so what are we hiring him based on? I'll say, what are you hiring Cliff based on? I get it, Ocho, but you're asking someone to hire someone. Right. And look, I get it. I said Cliff Kingsbury have fallen up a lot.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And that's why I said Eric Bien-Ami should have stayed his ass in Kansas City. He wants the opportunity to be a head coach, though. I'm not going to Washington. Rivera was going to get fired. Sam Howell is not going to win you enough games to keep that job, Ocho. You got to survey the land. You got to, hey,

read the temperature, Ocho. Read the temperature. I mean, I heard in the offseason before the season started, this season right here, they said Sam Howell was the guy. They said Sam Howell was the guy based on how he played the previous season. If he's the answer, what's the question you're asking?

The quarterback, who's going to be the starting quarterback for the Washington football team? Or the commanders? If he's the answer, what's the question you're asking? The quarterback, who's going to be the starting quarterback for the Washington football team? Or the commanders? If that's the question, if that's the answer that you gave, okay. That's a perfect, logically, that's a perfect, logic, logical question. Anything outside of that, Sam Ahala is not the answer.

Yeah, I got you. And Airbnb should have known that. I'm going to stay my butt right there. And now look at it, Ocho. Now you got Kansas City back in the Super Bowl again. How about this? Knowing Andy Reid, does Andy Reid bring Eric B. Enemy back so they can work together again? Probably will.

Probably going to go for a fourth one next year. Yeah, and maybe go for a fifth one the year after that. Red one thing about red now red red red you know he good people yeah yeah yeah i like red he very matter of fact you know you stand with red oh yeah yeah you know i think b enemy he will be he'll be there next year he will be there there. I don't think Andy Reid will leave him out like that. I just hate to see a coach that has had success with two, you know, winning two Super Bowls

just out on the street like that with other coaches that aren't proven or getting jobs. Yes, I agree, Ocho. I agree. But I have to understand. Now, think about it, Ocho. I agree. But I have to understand. Now, think about it, Ocho.

I'm struggling getting interviews. And I don't, like I said, I don't know what happened. Everybody say he's not interviewing well. I mean, it's hard. Like, how does somebody not interview well? This is the system I implement. These are some of the coaches I'm looking at higher to fill the position. This is the defensive coordinator.

This is the offensive coordinator. This is my game plan. This is how I like to practice during the course of the week these are my meeting time this is lifting time i like to travel at this time i like to leave it this yada yada yada right i'm trying to that that can't be that hard especially after you do it several times you should get better at it each and every time because you kind of know what the questions they're going to ask but i just i i i don't i don't i don't i don't get me personally i'm not taking that job why am i hold on ocho check this out now he's already on thin ice i'm on i'm on the shore right why would i go join somebody on thin ice

and I'm perfectly fine over here right because now look at all the coaches that got jobs look at the black coaches that got jobs Raheem Morris Miko yeah AP got a job

Gerard Mayo got a job now Gerard Mayo and AP's situation was a little unique AP was the interim played extremely well we knew that seemed to be a foregone conclusion it seems to me that Coach Belichick that Mr. Kraft already

had a succession plan already in place that when Coach Belichick left, Mayo was going to take over. He liked what he stood for. He liked the man that he had watched him grow. But I'm not, I'm not. Yeah, I wish the situation with Eric would be enemy, would have been similar to that of Antonio Pierce with the Las Vegas Raiders with the players vouching for him publicly. Even Matt Crosby going even to the extent of saying,

listen, if we don't bring AP in or bring him back as our head coach, I'm asking for a trade. Wow. And I think if BNME was that type of coach, and I see him as a player's coach, I'm not sure. The only rumblings or anything negative I heard about him obviously came from Shady McCoy. And I guess their exchange and the way he coached him, he didn't see fit on how he did. I mean, that's the only bad thing I've ever heard. Remember Tyreek, because he says something because Shady did comment, and

Tyreek re-chimed him and said, hey, you still mad because he told you to tuck that ball, huh? Because you know Shady McCoy like to hold the ball in one hand. Yeah, he does. He does. He's going to make you tuck that ball because the last thing you want to do is turn the ball over in situations like that. that's what... ball because the last thing you want to do is turn the ball over in situations like that so um

that's what we don't i wasn't there so i couldn't speculate uh shady has his reason why he doesn't believe that eb has become a head coach yet right i don't know what they are i haven't been in any of those meetings i haven't heard any ownership group or anybody that could possibly be in those meetings say anything. So I don't want to speculate either way if you ask me, but that's what he said. Reports are saying Mike Brayboy didn't work out in Tennessee because he was too large of a human.

Diana Rossini reported I don't think there was a fit for him. I don't think he sat in front of any owner who thought of his style was going to work for what they were looking for. I had a GM at the Senior Bowl who mentioned to me Braybill's physical build

that he's a very large human being and that can be very intimidating to people in the organization that's going to be a part of these decisions and that is a factor. What the hell does somebody Andre Desjardins? Can he win games? Rest his soul, Andre. What the hell does somebody... Andre the Giant. Can he win games? Rest his soul, Andre.

What the hell does someone's physical appearance have to do with being a coach? He was too big and you know, if he get mad, he might do something bad to him. The type of excuses of the people that run these organizations, how do they take you seriously? Do you really

want to win? No. When you hear stuff like that, you think you are you do you really want to win like when you hear stuff like that you you think about it do you really want to win games no what part of my note the end of the old did you get like come on oh oh we're intimidated by his size what are we talking about i never that i heard a lot don't you i don't heard a lot that's the first time i've ever heard so i never i never heard that one either especially not not in the sport that we play have you seen some of the alignment that are even on your team yeah whatever gm said that have you seen some of the sides of some of the people on the o-line d-line you talk about the head coach now i've heard it's physically imposing huh yeah i've heard that maybe he should lose a you got coaches should lose a few pounds

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What about Bill? The question is, Coach Belichick is in his 70s. The question is that I think general managers and owners are having. Right. Does his message still resonate with these young players? When you don't have a Tom Brady in the locker room that can control everything. Because guys might want to be mutiny

and Tom said, hey guys, don't worry about that. We got this. We're going to win the game regardless. So unless you have a Tom Brady or you have a guy the equivalent of that, say a Patrick Mahomes, is... Kind of iffy. Even with Belichick being in his 70s, I wonder if he can adapt to today's era, adapt to today's younger kids.

As far as coaching style, kind of manipulate his coaching style a little bit to fit today's kids as opposed to I think some of the stuff he did during his day really wouldn't work or resonate with young kids in today's era. I'm just curious about that because it seems like most of the coaches or most of the decision makers are going, as far as head coaches are concerned. These young kids are different now, Ojo. And I think for me, I am glad I didn't play in this era because I take it, I'm too serious about it. Right, right.

I don't care about no cars. I don't care about no jewelry. I don't care about how many chicks you got. That ain't got nothing to do with me. Can you help me win? Yeah. Yeah. That's all I need to know are you meeting are you are

you ready to play are you practicing hard are you doing what you need to do to help me win games that's all i cared about right i didn't come i didn't come to make friends and so that that's my thing i'm very matter of fact why i'm here. And I think that's why coaches like me because there was never, man. And I wonder if Shannon's prepared. I wonder if he's doing what he's supposed to be doing. Coaches never had to worry about that. My college coach told me, say, if I had 50 Shannon Sharpe, because I told him, he said, hey, he called me too.

He said, too, you ready? I said, coach, this is my sophomore year, like first game of my sophomore year. I said, coach, you ain't never got to worry about me getting ready. I said, get them other 50 guys ready. I'm going to show up for you every, never had a problem. Mike never, you know, hey, Mike would always tell me, go back and look at him on, hey, 84, get him going.

That was my job. He let me be me. As far as practice, I'm loose, Ocho. We got the Soul Train thing coming down. But, oh, you're going to, hey, because here's the thing, because Mike's looking at me sideways.

So, if you mess up a play at walkthrough, now, we're going to have to stay out there longer and so now i'm feeling some type of way because i remember when you was bulljabbing shooting basketball i remember when you was bulljabbing on your phone so now i gotta talk to you i gotta have a conversation with you because you're messing up the church's money. That's a good one. Oh, oh, oh, oh, this thing for real. Right. Like, you couldn't come in club Shea Shea. Like, we had club Shea Shea.

Okay, guys could drink. Guys, you know, hey, smoke. You know, they play video games. We rolling dice. We playing cards. Okay, normally, we don't let rookies come in there. But you know what? Hey, Clinton Porter, some of the guys, don't F up.

Because you F up, and you come back up, and I'm going to slam the door in your face. And put my foot in your ass. It's really that simple. Right. Man, no, no, no, no, no. Study your playbook. Hey, man, let me come up to Club Shashe.

Hell, no. You bust three plays today. You ain't going nowhere. You need to be in your playbook. Hey, man, let me come up to Club Shea Shea. Hell no. You bust three plays today. You ain't going nowhere. You need to be in your playbook. Don't worry about Club Shea Shea. Right. That's a privilege. Don't talk about winning, Ocho.

Yeah, that's a privilege. As long as you're on point. Absolutely. As long as you're on point. And so, you know, we be... Ocho, we used to gamble on the plane. Yeah, yeah. You know them boys play spades on the plane.

They played spades. We playing Blu-ray. We playing, we playing, they playing Blu-ray. We rolling dice. Okay, you know, we got sponsors at the front of the plane. They got to go to the bathroom. They see us. They mention something to Mike.

Mike said, hey, 84. You know, I don't mind you guys gambling. Right. But if you're going to gamble, don't have the money out. I said, Mike, money out of sight calls a fight. I said, we might as well scrap this and wait until we get to the hotel room. Because I'll be damned if y'all not going to talk about, okay, I owe you. No, hell no.

I need to see the money on the wood. Right, right, right, right, right. When Mike said, no more gambling. Hey, no gambling. Okay. I shut it down. Hey, hey, no gambling. Okay. I shut it down. Hey, we ain't gambling. Now, come playoff time.

Yeah. Hey, Mike, you know, hey, 84, do what y'all do back there. Okay. Right. Right. That's what we do. That's what we do. But my thing was, I was an extension of Mike.

Because a lot of times, Ocho, we handle the situation in the locker room before they got to Mike. That's what leaders do. You don't wait to things get out of control and then you go take it to Mike. You suppress it before he has to ever hear about it. There are a lot of things that went on in that locker room. Mike had no idea. Idea. Yeah.

That's crazy. But what are your leaders for? You think you're just a leader just because that's just a title? Right. You got to be able to do something. If there are issues going on between teammates,

hey, bro, what's that about? Bro, how you mad? You married. How you mad about somebody? Why you mad about somebody? You married. How you mad? And y'all were son? Why you married to my son? You married. How you married? And y'all,

what y'all was back doing like that over there, boy? I know what you're talking about. I see where you're going, too, because I'm picking up what you're putting down. I didn't play that. And I ain't got,

I didn't have no allegiance to nobody's wife. But what I had allegiance to was that locker room and was to keep the peace. That was my allegiance look what you did as long as it didn't interfere

with the locker room I could care less I really could that's not my responsibility your wife wasn't married to me you wasn't married to me so I don't give a damn but I tell you what you're not going to do is not going to interfere with what's going on in this locker room. So take that

A, take that ish somewhere else. It's really that simple. Well, that sounds like a good story now. You might want to go ahead and share that. Well, that thing sounds juicy. Nah, nah, nah. But here's the thing, Ocho. I was reading the chat because I like to read the chat

and see, okay, what can me and Ocho do differently? What could we add? And I was reading a story about this lady and the lady was saying, well, Shannon, what I've learned throughout my life is that when guys talk like you be talking, it's untrue. I've been on TV for the better part of 20 years with the exception of two years, Ocho, that I do. I was out of work after I got to CBS. So those two years, but for the better part, so about 18 years Ocho, I've been on TV. Named the one time I've told you a story about something that happened in Baltimore or Denver and somebody came back

and said that didn't happen. Named the one time that I've said something about since you and I've been doing this. If it wasn't true, then some female can get on a fake account and say Shannon Sharpe lied. That didn't happen. Not one time.

I understand now in today's society, a lot of people lie. But what the F if I want to lie? What the F? Right. It is what it is. Now, I got some stories that, also they say that the only difference between truth and fiction is that truth has to make fiction has to make sense i got some stories that said man ain't no way to have right it absolutely was it did happen and i was there i was there uh i might have been an active participant, but that's neither here nor there.

That's for the movie. Right. But guys, I'm telling you things that have happened, college, NFL, my personal life. And a lot of times, some of these things that happen with female women in my life, Ojo,

we cool. 30jo, we cool. 30 years, we cool. Yeah. Hey, the fact that you've been able to remain a cordial relationship with people that you've dated and been intimate with, even after the fact, is very commendable. Very, very, very commendable. Very, very, very commendable because most of the time, you know, things always end on bad terms and there is no, you know,

being friends once you cross a certain threshold. It's a wrap. It took me a while to get to that, Ochoa, though. It took me a while.

It took me a while because I was allowing these women to hold my feelings hostage. They were going on with their lives, but I was in bondage. So I said, I am not going to allow you

to hold my feelings hostage. I refuse to be in bondage. So I had to forgive them. And yet it took me a while because some of them did some things they didn't have to do. You could have just... I tell people all the time

mojo i don't have bars on my house so it's not to keep you in or out right walk in the door i'll allow you to walk out yeah boy i like that and so for me it took it took me a while it took me a while yeah i've had situations but i've all because i believe oh joe that'm always going to come out on the winning side and so when they've done things to me I was like okay it is what it is that you felt that's what you needed to do but I'm going to win I'm going to win

I've had situations Ocho with women that I've dated they ended up getting married when they're going through hard times who you think they called well Shannon I'm going to get a divorce. I say, no, you're not. I say, you better stay with that man. I say, you got to understand

how old you think you are. You got two kids. You this age. I say, I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to get you a hotel room. You stay there for a week. Y'all figure this is shop. But you don't need to leave him.

Yeah. Yeah. We talked about it last night now. Pickings get real slim. Yeah. I said, who you think you about to get? Who you think you about to get?

You and your damn little 50. Well, reality will hit once you get out in them streets and you see what's left over. Yeah. I said, because y'all have a disagreement? Oh, he said something that you didn't like or you don't like the way he... Oh, hell no.

Y'all better solve that. And as a matter of fact, hey, I already got it taken care of. You ain't got to show nothing. Everything that you need, the room and the incidentals are taken care of. Right, right, right. Stay your ass up there and make, hey, make sure you make the right decision now. Yeah.

Yeah. You make the wrong one, you're going to be looking back. Yeah. You're going to be looking back mad than a mother. Come back 10 years later, they still married.

Thank you. I appreciate that. Mm-hmm. You ought to be a therapist, man. I could be. Oh, to the way I look at it, look, you and I didn't work out.

I don't think you're a bad person. You might have not been right for me. I might have not been right for you, but you might be perfect for someone else. Yeah. Sometimes that hurts. That's okay, because at the end of the day, I want you to be happy.

I might not give you the happiness that you're looking for, but that doesn't mean I don't want you to have it. And if you found it at one point in time, stay there. I say it's easy. I say damn, y'all. The minute of heart I thought richness and poor, sickness

and health and well damn, so y'all just talking up there in front of the man, huh? Y'all up there in the church, y'all just lying. Yeah, they'd be ready to go now. The slightest inconvenience or things don't go well or you do something that don't sit

right with them, they're ready to go. They're ready to go. Matter of fact, they're ready to go to somebody else that's going to do the exact same thing. And worse. Yeah. But you know, like my grandma always told me now, you don't have to lie to a woman because if she like you enough, she'll lie to herself.

Yeah, for sure. You don't have to lie to a woman because if she like you enough, all them red flags look like six flags. Oh, she's going for that ride. Yeah, they're colorblind. Yeah. Oh, yeah. When it's convenient.

Yes. Based on the opportunity. But I want all the women that I've been with in my time, I want them to find happiness. It wasn't for me. You know, we didn't work out. But if there's anything I can do to help you and you're in a situation, I got you. It didn't work for me.

Like I said, and even though sometimes, Ocho, it didn't end on the best note, the best terms. We didn't end on the best terms. That's all right. I mean, I think that came from my grandmother and my sister.

Because my sister's like, Shannon, just pray about it. It's going to be okay. Yeah. She's like, you still my little... She always tells me this. Every time I've always gone through something still my little, she always tells me this when I, every time, every time I always gone through something, a breakup,

she always, she always reminds me who I am. You still Shannon sharp. You still my little brother. Yeah. And you're going to be okay. She's a, she's that calming voice.

Cause a lot of time I like, Hey, I want to, I want to bury this. You know what? Yeah. What do you get out of that? What do you get out of that? What do you get out of that?

Right. I mean, my sister, look, let me tell you what my sister did. I was in a relationship. Can we get a name this time or no? No, we ain't gonna get no name. We ain't gonna get no name. Let me tell you what my sister did. My sister really, because like,

if you call my sister did. My sister really. Because like, if you call my sister, if you automatically, I would think my sister would take up for me. Anyway, my sister did. When you're wrong, you're wrong now. She got to hold you accountable. My sister said, you should leave him. Hmm.

Because he ain't doing right. So why are you going to stay. So why you going to stay? Why you going to stay in a situation which you're unhappy? You know he makes you unhappy. You're not happy, but you're going to stay. Why?

Leave. Convenient. And if it's meant to be, y'all will be together. You'll come back like a boomerang. Man, I'll let live it. What the hell you done done? What you think the girl did

She ain't leave Left What Left You serious Left ain't look back Oh man that's two nights in a row You done told me somebody left you now

I don't like that Ocho Ocho It's okay It's not the end of the world. Ocho. Damn. Ocho.

CBS let me go. I went to Undisputed, got bigger. Undisputed let me go. Now look at it. Look at the subs. I got more subs than Undisputed. You look now look at it look at the subs I got more subs than Undisputed you look at the talent they got over there I got we got a new podcast

and we got more subs than everybody they got over there combined so I'm okay I'm gonna be okay I believe in me I'm always gonna bet on black yeah oh yeah so I don't I don't get you know when I believe in me. I'm always going to bet on black. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

So I don't get, you know, when something happens, I remember I wanted a situation and my agent said, hey, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Next contract, somebody else will pay for what you lost. I like that. I don't get upset, man. It's not the end of the world.

Damn, man. I'm that. I don't get upset, man. It's not the end of the world. I'm strong. I'm strong. Hey, I'm born in 68. I came from good stock, not wood stock. You better understand where I came from. Right. And how I came to be. Damn.

I don't like that. What you don't like? You're a good dude man Cause I'm like Like that That stung me a little bit man That's two times Oh Ocho

Two times somebody Oh they up and left and Oh that ain't the first That ain't the first time That ain't the first time That's not the second time I was dating I was dating a female

And we were living together And when I came home She was gone Oh hell Oh hell I don't care at the time, I was dating a female and we were living together and when I came home, she was gone. Oh, hell no. Oh, hell no. Yeah. Like, that's the type of shit you see in movies, man. Well, I guess

I was living a movie then. Hey. Oh, hell no. Listen, when I tell people I can write a book, y'all think I'm lying. I know y'all think I'm lying. You came home on some Gone Girl shit, like the movie

Gone Girl. She was gone? Gone. Gone. Biggie, Biggo, Biggie, Biggie. Gone. I gotta take my glasses off, man. Bye-bye, Birdie.

Hey, that's slightly disrespectful. Why? Because if you love me, and if we deal in... What's happening? That wasn't the case. He didn't love me anymore. Yeah, anymore?

Would you tell me that? If you've checked out mentally, and you stay here physically, and you're not feeling the situation we're in, I need you to communicate. Isn't that what women always talk about? Women are big on communication.

Where is the communication? Ocho, man, people. Why wait until you leave on some sucker shit and then pack your shit and leave in when I ain't here and not face...

Face the wolf. Face the wolf. Come on now. I mean, Ochocho everybody can't handle situations like I don't know how you handle situations but I can sit down I can have a conversation you're not happy you want to move on

I'm not happy I want to move on I can have that kind of conversation right right right but everybody can't have that conversation everybody's not built like you and I I can't speak for you. I'm built, I can handle it. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you how I feel.

Me and you on the same page. I was born in 79. I was born in 78. But one thing about it is I'll give my all and do all I can. Now, if you choose to lose, I never see it as a loss. I see it as one less expense. That's it. Right.

I'm doing everything. So now that's somebody else's responsibility. If they want to pick up where I left off and do more, so be it. And good luck. Yeah, for sure. So be it and good luck.

But I always see someone actually leaving me, well, shit, that's better for me. I just think about how much I can say from this point on yeah so i don't i don't i don't i don't get upset i don't fuss and fight um i want things a certain way i like people that after you've been with me for a while you kind of understand my mannerisms you know what i okay shannon don't really want to talk let him be right right i don't want want

something like this or shannon want something like that let me have this ready for him i want people to like study me and have without me having to tell you right no no no i think the best relationships are you've been with someone long enough you understand hey you know what's funny? I like that you just said that. Like, I've been with Real, like, so long now, we starting to look alike. I can start a sentence. I can start a sentence. And before I even finish what I'm saying, she finished the damn sentence. I'm like, but can I? And it kind of irked me a little bit.

Like, can I get my thoughts out? I know you know because I'm going to increase your habit. My routine don't change. My routine doesn't change. get my thoughts out. I know you know because I'm going to increase your habit. Yes. My routine don't change. My routine doesn't change and the things that I say based on the situation, it never changes as well. So, I start saying something

and she'll finish it. Whatever it is, I know, I know, I know. All right, I know you know. Just let me get what I want to say out. Yeah, I want to say it though. Let me say it.

Let me finish. So, basically, it sounds like you're irritated because you already know what I'm getting say it though. Let me say it. Let me finish. So it makes it like you, it sounds like you're irritated because you already know what I'm getting ready to say. You don't want me to say it? Yeah, yeah. Small little discrepancy

we be having. You know, that starts the argument. Yeah. But it's going to happen, Ocho. And, you know, I think the thing is for me,

distance is hard because, you know, wanting to talk every day, all the time. Physical touch is important. I don't see how people do long distance. I don't see how people do long distance. You know, when you're younger, I understand. When you're younger, you don't really

know no better. You know, you're in love. You know, that's puppy love. Like my grandma used to call it. Boy, there ain't no puppy love. You ain't gonna know her in three years. I ain't believe her. I say, my grandma, my grandma used to call it Boy that ain't no puppy love You ain't gonna know her In three years I ain't believe her I say my grandma My grandma boy She gonna be here forever Boy you in the eighth grade

Thank you Goddamn girl I never forget She motherfucking left me For goddamn Willis man Oh look We all done been through that You know

And played them songs Lenny Williams Girl you know I love you And send for me Atlantic Star We all done been through that. You know, and play them songs, Lenny Williams, Girl, You Know I Love You, and Send For Me, Atlantic Star. Just a telephone call away. I mean, we all play that Lionel Richie song, Hello.

Boy, you bring it back. Boy, I almost teared up. Boy, you bring it back. That makes me emotional, boy. I remember them days, boy. Listen to that Lenny Williams. You know how hurt you got to be to watch TV till TV went off?

Because TV used to go off. See, TV wasn't always 24 hours a day. Like at midnight, the TV would go black. There was nothing else on. I know a lot of people out there that's watching this don't remember those days, but TV used to go off at midnight. It would go black.

Yeah. That's go black. Yeah. That's that hurt, boy. You know, there wasn't a cartoon network, Ocho. We had a TV that had three channels. Own off and don't F with me. So, you know what I'm saying, Ocho? We could barely see what was going on anyway. Yeah, yeah.

But, you know, and I think that's the thing, is that you understand, like, you know, look, as you grow, Ocho, your partner needs to grow with you. Yeah. Sometimes what happened, Ocho, as I started to grow, they weren't growing. And then all of a sudden I became, you know, because here's the thing, Ocho, I'm with somebody. I was like, hey, hey, you know, most people are going to recognize who I am, they're going to say, but I would always say, this is my partner, this is such and such,

blah, blah, blah. But, here's the kicker. When she wasn't with me, didn't get no acknowledgement. So basically what she was, what she had become, was she was like, you drowning me out.

I can't be who I am. Right, right, right. I like that. I think, you know, I think I'm kind of fortunate. It's kind of the opposite. It's kind of the opposite for me a little bit. Like, I'm still who I am, but this young lady,

obviously, real, has her own identity. People, you know, she has her own identity to where it's gotten to the point where, oh, it ain't, that's Chad Johnson. Oh, that's the dude

Sherelle go with. Oh, that's the dude Sherelle go with. Excuse me, honey? But I was out there catching them touchdowns. That was me celebrating. That was me losing money.

What you mean? That's the identity. Oh, that's Shannon Sharpe's girlfriend. So that's how people would refer to her. Don't do me like that. It wasn't her name. It was like,

oh, this is a Shannon Sharpe's girlfriend. This is Shannon Sharpe's significant other. Right. And she's like, that's not my name. Mm-hmm. That's crazy crazy man but i'm like i'm still i'm still thinking about that that that that really bothers me like you going to work and you going to practice and you coming back home for practice

after hard days of work and she gone no i know this was i was i was I was in Denver. She was in Atlanta. So I came home after the season. Oh. Oh, hell no. You come after the season. She wasn't with me in Denver. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. But damn, man.

I mean, Ocho, I looked at it like this. I didn't have to pay for moving. Hell, if I'd have had to pay for somebody to move, I'd have had somebody to move. Hey, I'm with you when you're right. And that's how I look at it. When those situations fall apart, I remember the memories. I remember the good times. I focus on the good times.

But then, all in all, I think about, well, hell, man, I ain't got to pay for this no more. I ain't got to pay that. Yeah. And now it's somebody else's responsibility. Yeah. Then I feel better and I start smiling. Yeah. Damn.

That's crazy, bro. I'm telling you, that's some shit out of, excuse me, I'm sorry for cursing. That was $5. That's something out of a movie, bro. I'm telling you, that's some shit out of... Excuse me. I'm sorry for cursing. That was $5. That's something out of a movie, man. That's something out of a movie, bro. Oh, yeah.

The only thing I was mad about, Ocho, she had cooked Thanksgiving dinner and left all the pots in my refrigerator. You mean she left... She didn't clean up before she left? No. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But yeah, see, I'm glad.

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