Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Aaron Rodgers dominates, last chance for Bryce Young, Mel Kiper's terrible idea

Episode Date: September 20, 2024

Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocino" Johnson react to Aaron Rodgers and the New York Jets beatdown of the New England Patriots on Thursday Night Football. Later, they discuss Bryce Young needing to gain some confidence with Carolina, Mel Kiper's crazy call to ban two-high safety defenses and much more!03:18 - SHOW STARTS05:10 - Jets beat Patriots22:05 - Bryce Young comments37:18 - Tom Brady on relationships with receiver s48:12 - Mel Kiper wants 2 high safety look gone54:35 - Dan Cambpell selling his home(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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all your support because guys you help Unc and Ocho Nightcap outgrow immensely and we thank you for your loyalty and your support. Ocho, you watched this game last night. We didn't think it was going to be much, but the Jets did a great job. Aaron Rodgers looked unbelievable. Aaron Rodgers, 281 passing yards, two touchdowns.

The Jets' defense recorded seven sacks, and at the end, Drake May got an opportunity to play, and you know what? It might be a sign of things to come because you kind of know what you're going to get with Jacacoby brissett you just wanted the rook to sit learn a little bit you was kind of hoping probably brissett could get a little farther into the season no joke but it doesn't look like it but you know what you're going to get jacoby brissett he's not changing anybody's life but give the jets credit tonight they look really good. Aaron Rodgers looked good. Very good.

Like he normally does. Now he looks like the Aaron Rodgers that we saw in Green Bay. Yes, he does. What did you like most about what you saw from the Jets tonight? I mean, you know what? I like what I saw most from the Jets is the consistency of their offense. Now, there was a little up low, obviously, in the third of their offense. Now there was a little low, obviously in the third and fourth quarter,

but their first and second quarter, they look good going up and down the field, being able to run the ball, having a consistent balance of run and pass. Yeah. Girl. Wilson looks very good. Yeah.

Might look good. The running game looks good. Now this is the jets that people were expecting to see if Aaron Rogers didn't get hurt last year. Correct. So, with him being healthy, now he made me a little nervous sometimes. Every time he scrambled outside that damn pocket and they go goddamn running, I'm like, it's like I'm holding my breath a little bit. You know, because I know his kidneys is messed up. But again, something that other quarterbacks need to learn, like Tua, every time he got out the pocket, what's the first thing Aaron Rodgers did? Get down.

Get a first get down first, get down. First, get down. But other than that, man, they look phenomenal. And that defense. Yeah. They didn't look good last week. But this week, they look much better. And the fact that this Patriot team that I just saw tonight beat my goddamn

Bengals at home. Yeah. Week one. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what you know what is going on. But listen, if you're a Jet fan, if you're in the chat, you're a Jet fan. Even if you're not a fan of Aaron Rodgers because of some all the all the extracurricular activities he talks about and does off the field. The young man, this is a reason why they put up with his bullshit.

And he gave the example of that tonight. Yeah. Oh, Joe, when I watch this game i'm looking at the patriots and i'm thinking to myself y'all had a game plan with tom brady i gotta can't run the last thing you want to do is let aaron rogers get outside the pocket and throw the ball that's where he's most dangerous he he made his bones he's a four-time league mvp yes aaron rogers can throw the ball from the pocket he's one of the most prolific throwers of the football that we've ever seen.

But he's most dangerous outside of the pocket. That's what you do to a Tom Brady. You force Tom Brady off his mark. Yes, Tom is accurate outside of the pocket, but he's not as accurate outside of the pocket as he is in the pocket. Aaron Rodgers is the flip side. Yes, Aaron can beat you from the pocket,

but you would much rather have him because you don't want to give him that kind of time once he escapes the pocket. Now, he can't run like he wants. He couldn't run like he could when he was 28, 32. He's 49. We understand that, but his arm is still just as dangerous.

If you let him buy time outside of the pocket, and we know this about Aaron, if you studied his career, he loves throwing the ball to the tight end. And his tight end came up with some big catches on third down to keep the chains going, give him an opportunity to stay on the field, get three more downs. But I didn't really like the game plan of the Patriots because they let Aaron get outside to his left.

They let him get outside to his right. That is a game plan that you have for a stationary quarterback. A Tom Brady, a Peyton Manning, or Kirk Cousins. Yeah, I ain't worried about y'all going nowhere. So I'm just going to make sure. I'm going to get you off your mark in the pocket. But when you look at them,

they ran the ball okay. Not great. Not great. Not great. They ran the ball okay. The defense did what they're supposed to do what i think was an uh an overmatched team you're dominating you're dominating that's what you're supposed to do also a team that you're better than you supposed to come out of the game feeling that you're better than not like man i wish we had played better we're supposed to beat that team by x amount of points so when you you play somebody and you're better than them across the board,

this is what you're supposed to do. They missed a field goal. And I'm sure there's some things that Aaron and the offensive staff is going to look at like, you know what, guys, we probably should have had another 10, 14 points. Yeah, easy, easy. And, you know, we feel a lot. I mean, we feel good, but we feel a lot better about ourselves.

I think that's the thing that the coaches that I really appreciate about a lot of the coaches that I played for, Ocho, that even when we won the game, he's like, we're going to go back and watch the film because there are some things that we can do a lot better to make sure that we're clicking on all cylinders, everything's going okay. But the Jets, you know, now you get 10 days,

you don't play again until the following Sunday. You get some time off. You played a lot of games in the first 11, you know, because they had a Monday night game. Then they played a Sunday and then they came and played a Thursday. So you're looking at about three games in the span of 11 days. That's a lot. That's a lot on a 40-year-old body.

And so give Aaron credit for going to go here. One thing, you know, Aaron ain't practicing. You know, you know, you're practicing. He definitely, if somebody gonna take some time off, it's going to be him. I don't know who the backup quarterback is or whoever the number two quarterback is for the jets,

but he's going to get some reps. Oh, it is Tyron. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Ty Tyron can get some reps in this week. Cause Aaron Rogers is taking all that off.

Well, you know, first of all, they probably won't even be back till Monday. So you get Friday off, Saturday off, Sunday off. I see y'all money,

get a lift there off Tuesday. We back at this thing on Wednesday. Yeah. So that, I think, Saturday off, Sunday off. I see y'all Monday, get a lift there. Off Tuesday, we back at this thing on Wednesday. I think that's the proper step. And probably this week, everything was all walkthrough. Ain't nobody doing no I mean, your body, I mean, because you know how sore you are, man. You play a game on Sunday? Man, you sore until Wednesday?

There's a lot of film studies. A lot of film study, a lot of walk through. But the Jets, what, they're 2-1 right now. They're 3-11 games. So it's a lot of film studies, a lot of film study, a lot of walkthrough. But the Jets, what, they're 2-1 right now. They're in 11 games. I mean, 11 days, three games in 11 days. So you have to feel good. Yeah, you'd love to be 3-0 with 10 days off.

But you have to feel good. You won this game on a short week. Your offense looked good. They're starting to pick up steam. Aaron is starting to figure out what his guys, how they like the ball in game situations because you can practice scenario, but game and practice is a lot different. And you saw some of the throws that he was making.

He's as good with the back shoulder ball as we've had in this league in any point in time in their career. You see him hit Garrett Wilson with a back shoulder ball. You see him hit Mike. Who was that? Mike, who was that? No, that was Garrett Wilson on the touchdown. Yeah.

The first one was Gonzalez. Yeah, that was me. Lazard steamrolled his way into the end zone. And then the second touchdown or third touchdown, he hit Garrett Wilson, who did a great job. I think the only thing that Gonzalez made, Ocho,

you know when you're on the inside, you can't reach like this. You reach like that. Yeah. Yes. You reach across your body. And, you know, he was trying to make a play. I mean, you're trying to make a play. You're down.

You're desperate. And you're trying to make a play. That's the only thing that I would say. That's the only thing I would say with Gonzalez. Look, I'm not no great DB, but I'm probably sure time or one of the Revis or one of those other guys will tell you the same thing. When you come in from the inside. Right. You reach like that. But other than that, he ran a great route. Aaron Rodgers threw a great ball. It was a great ball. It's going to be great coverage anyway. So it might have not even made a difference.

But give Rodgers give this office created twenty forty three. Probably say I'm sure they're kicking a cell like, man, probably thirty four, three, thirty four, thirty eight, three. Probably saying, I'm sure they're kicking themselves like, man, probably 34-3, 38-3. We feel a lot better about ourselves. That's what it should have been. Because they missed the field goal. Remember, they missed the field goal at the half. Not only did they miss the field goal at the half, but the penalties taking them back out

of field goal range as well, missing some of those points that they could have had. The thing is, if you look at it, Braylon Allen, again, 14 touches, no, 14 touches, 68 yards. So 34 for, that's a buck 51. That's not bad.

34 for a buck 51, a little over four yards of carry. So they ran the ball better than I thought they did. Because it seems like every time I looked, they were running to the line, they was getting stopped. Exactly.

I mean, so when you look at it, Ocho, that's a lot of carries and they're doing a great job of mixing it up because we know Aaron is great off the play fake. Great off the play fake and you get the ball down the field and he's great at the line of scrimmage. They give him a lot of leeway. He knows his

offense backwards and forwards, so he has a lot of leeway at the line of scrimmage. But I like this two-headed monster with Breeze Hall and Braylon Allen. They can run the ball. They're only going to get better, especially when the weather gets bad. It's cold? Oh, yeah.

That's not going to impact Rodgers because he's coming from Lambeau. So it's not like he's coming from Miami or L.A. somewhere and all of a sudden it's going to be hard. He knows what it's like to play in the cold. He knows how to get his body ready, how to spin the football in the cold. But they might be a situation where they can be an issue. They can be an issue for

somebody, especially once they get this thing going because they can play coverage in the back end with those two corners. The defense can get out there. Quentin Williams, what is that, McDonald? I think that's the guy that they brought in in place of Hassan Redick. And I think he has four or that they brought in in place of Hassan Reddick. And I think he has four or five sacks now, Ocho.

He's playing extremely well. So I think that's the thing where they're like, okay, we got a guy that got three games, got five sacks. Let's not make a rash decision and pay Hassan Reddick, you know, $20-plus million. Now, had he not had those numbers, Ocho, that might be a different story. But you know how it is, Ocho. Wide receiver holding out.

The number two receiver is going crazy. So in three games, he got 300 yards and three touchdowns. Let's just hold on. Let's see if we can go another week. You know how teams back, Ocho. Aaron Rodgers' touchdown pass to Gary Wilson, Ocho, in the third quarter was his 480th of his career. It was one of the first he's thrown to a wide receiver, drafted

in the first round. Look, he's going to have 500 touchdowns, which is a bench, I mean, 300 used to be. 300 was the gold standard because before these guys started throwing routinely for 30 and 40 touchdowns, and then we had a couple of guys hit 50 touchdowns. Mahomes

hit 50. Brady's hit 50. Manning has hit 50. Manning hasomes hit 50. Brady's hit 50. Manning has hit 50. Manning has also hit 49. Now, the standard is, if you don't throw for 400, 500 touchdowns, 300 touchdowns ain't the same. It's like a baseball player. The number, you don't hit 500 home runs, or you bat 300. Now, hell, you got to have bat 300, have 500 home runs,

and then 300 stolen bases in order for people to be like, well, he had a good career. But Rodgers is going to throw for 500 touchdowns and with as few interceptions as he's going to throw for. He might be in a situation. I don't think he has 100 interceptions. Does he have 100 interceptions? I don't think he does. 480 touchdowns with fewer than 100 interceptions.

Let that sink in. Because I think he has like a 4-1 TD to touchdown interception ratio than 100 interceptions. Let that sink in. I think he has a 4-1 TD to touchdown interception ratio which is crazy. 2-1 you can live with. He got 106, Ocho. He still got the highest touchdown

to interception ratio. High touchdown, low interception. He has that best in the history. Because there are times that he went the whole season throwing 40-plus touchdowns in single-digit interceptions. He might not have more than two seasons in which he's thrown double-digit touchdowns.

I mean, interceptions, which is crazy. Which is crazy. Just going to show you how good he is. Oh, my bad, Ocho. He has three. It's funny. It's funny how the landscape of the AFC East has shifted down completely. Totally shifted. Now, it was always dominated, obviously. Always, always

consistently dominated by the Patriots. Now, things there have changed. Everything there has shifted. The head coach is gone. You ain't finna be on the top forever. Yeah, you're right, but it was on there for a long time. 20 years, two decades. Okay, yeah. I mean, that's a long time.

Nobody's had a run. Maybe you gotta go back to the 49ers, Ocho, when the 49ers and the 80s, when they ran the NFC West. You had the Rams, you had the Falcons, you had the Saints. People don't realize that. That was a long time ago. But the Falcons, the Rams, the 49ers, and the Saints were in the NFC West.

And the 49ers ran that division. But they didn't run it like what the Patriots did from 2000 until Brady left. They won the division damn near every year. That's crazy. So, you know what now obviously Aaron Rodgers based on where he's at in his career I think they have a chance to dominate

the AFC East especially depending on how long it takes Tua to get back how far behind the Dolphins are in the division as well and how well they can do with Tyler Huntley and Skylar Thompson there's a chance that the guy what about Buffalo listen I love Josh Allen right and how well they can do with Tyler Huntley and Skylar Thompson, there's a chance that the guy... What about Buffalo?

What about Buffalo? Listen, I love Josh Allen, right? I love Josh Allen. Excuse me, I love Josh Allen. I don't think he has enough pieces. I love Keon Coleman. I love everything they have, but I don't think he has enough pieces to be able to compete.

Yeah. He has to do too much. I think he's going to have to shoulder the entire load. I don't think he has enough pieces to be able to compete. He has to do too much. I think he's going to have to shoulder the entire load. I don't think he has enough. No disrespect to them. Obviously, they're playing well right now, but I'm talking about, you'll see what happens when they play the Jets. You'll see what I mean. I think the thing is, when you look at

he has Shakur, he has those two tight ends, Dawson Knox and Kincaid. You mentioned Coleman. They can run the football a little bit with James Cook. I forget the other running back name. But the thing is, when you got that quarterback, you always have a chance. That's all you need is him.

When you got him, Ocho, you got a chance. And he's one of those guys that give you a chance to win every single game. That's what makes those guys so special because you don't go into a game, and I can just speak from experience from having a top-flight quarterback when he had seven, when I had a John. It wasn't like, man, I hope we win.

I hope if this goes well, that goes well. I know anytime he's on the center, we got a great chance of winning. And we didn't have to play our best because a lot of times you go into the game, well, if we if we don't turn the ball over if the defense can do this if we don't if we commit fewer than five penalties we got no we got seven we got a great chance we don't have to be perfect and we got a chance to win and i think the thing is for him is that now that he doesn't he's undermanned a little bit the last thing he can do is turn the ball over

at the ratio that he's been turning it over throughout his career. Because now you don't have the manpower to come from behind like you once could. So it's going to be very, very interesting. Oh, so what did you make about the exchange with Robert Sala after the touchdown? Aaron seemed to push him.

What's going on? Did you see it? Yeah, I saw it. I think they had to just play for banter between, you know, coach and player. Okay, okay. Yeah, they just played between coach and player. Yeah. Nothing too much.

And I saw it. Actually, I watched it three different times just to make sure. Right. You know, there's a smile on both faces. And he walked away. It was nothing. Okay. It was nothing.

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not something I necessarily was expecting, obviously. Not something that was great to hear, but I respect Coach Canales and I respect the organization. At the end of the day, we had a ton of drives, a ton of games, and I didn't do enough during that. I look in the mirror and I take accountability for that. For the most part, every snap, it hit my hand. I didn't do enough with it at the end of the day. And I don't want to hear that shit, man. It's okay. I know you're the quarterback. You're the most important. You're the most important player and most important position on the field because

you touch the ball every goddamn play. But come on, man. Listen, you have to say the right thing. Bryce Young is saying all the right things because he's in a position where he has to. You went to a fucking dumpster fire. It's the reason they were the team to pick and had the first pick in the goddamn draft. Everybody can see it. Your family is going to tell you the truth.

Your friends are going to tell you the truth Your friends are gonna tell you the truth I'm telling you the truth It ain't you There ain't nothing wrong with you Some of it is Ocho Shit You do Ocho Did you know

Go ahead Go ahead Listen Find me somebody Out the Old Testament Find me somebody Out the New Testament That can come play

For the goddamn Panthers And make a goddamn difference Nobody Boy Jesus himself Would come down And hand them goddamn sandals He be wearing somebody out of the New Testament that can come play for the goddamn Panthers and make a goddamn difference. Nobody. Boy, Jesus himself would come down and hit them goddamn sandals he be wearing. Ain't nothing changing. Punk is bad. When Sam Donald was there, they said it was Sam

Donald's fault. When Baker Mayfield was there, they said it was Baker Mayfield's fault. Bryce Young is there, they said it's Bryce Young's fault. Sam Donald and goddamn Baker Mayfield are off to motherfucking historic starts again. Yeah. I think Baker

might have went to the Pro Bowl last year or something. And he's played very well since he's got out of that cesspool, which is Carolina. And let me tell you something. Let me tell you something, Chad. I want you to stay with me real quick. Listen to me. Dave Tepper knows Frank Wright got fired in 11 games. He understands David Tepper has a very short fuse and has little to no patience at all

and not understanding that it takes time. It takes time. You're not going to buy your way into having a successful team. It takes time to build. I think Dave Canets is sitting back right now. I think my goddamn job is on the line. Because I don't think we can win

with Bryce Young. Not understanding the elephant in the room is more than just Bryce Young. There are other issues that need to be addressed. David Tepper knows that. Mr. Canales knows that as well right and I'm going to ask you one more thing

I'm going to let you talk because if you don't stop me I'm going to keep on going there are 31 other quarterbacks in the team Chad be honest with yourself 31 other quarterbacks in the league that are starters name one that can come to the Panthers team right now and make a goddamn difference.

Please tell me. As a matter of fact, I'm going to the game this Sunday. I think the Panthers are playing the Raiders in Vegas. I got to work that game. So now I get to see it in person. So when we do the show Sunday night, I'm going to be able to tell y'all. What can I tell you?

I just saw it in person. It ain't Bryce Young. But go ahead. Go ahead. Now, you got me. Oh, Joe, look. I'm 38 hot. The problem that.

He got 30 making that damn speech like he the issue. The problem is, is that owners, let's just say owners and ADs. You get a team, a team that won one game or a team that won three games, and you expect no matter who you hire to come in and all of a sudden y'all going to be a playoff team. Y'all come in all of a sudden

you're in the college football playoff. Do you realize how bad you were before you changed regimes? You know what the problem is? You know what the problem is? You know what the problem is? The people that are in positions of power, they're not football guys. We have businessmen buying teams.

That's the problem. Businessmen that use money and they know that what money does in the business world, it changes things right away. In the football world, that's not the way shit works. Because in business,

you can create a product and it changes your fortune just like that. Whether it's the iPhone or the iPod or whatever the case may be, you can create something and instantaneously, it changes your life. Now, if you're fortunate enough and you get a quarterback, it can change. But what about the pieces? Do you have to remember Patrick Mahomes went to a team that had Travis Kelsey and Tyreek Hill, and if I'm not mistaken, it had the run of Kareem Hunt. I think he got in trouble and he ended up they

ended up shipping him out but and then they went and got sammy walkins so they surrounded him as great as he was they surrounded him with talent yeah that's what you gotta have no matter great i don't care how great you gotta have something and i'm not saying that the guy you need to Randy mall, Jerry rice and Tio all on one team, but do they fit? Do the pieces fit and see that what everybody says? Well, Tom Brady ain't got no help. No,

no, no. Those guys that Tom had, they fit because everybody can't go. You can't take guys that'll be an alpha dogs. We used to be in the guy. It says, okay,

you got two passes this week. We're going to run the ball 40 times. Like they did like Edelman and Welker and Amendola and those guys. That don't work for Jerry. That ain't working for T.O. That ain't working for Randy. That ain't working, Ocho. And I tell people that.

I say, y'all look at Edelman. Y'all look at Amendola. Y'all look at Welker. Y'all look at the receivers. And y'all think, well, they're not Jerry Rice. No, but Jerry ain't playing in that system. You better get Jerry that damn ball. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You better get Marvin Harrison that ball. Okay. Let a drive happen. And Marvin ain't seen the ball. Okay. Y'all let that quietness fool you. Okay, let a drive happen. And Marvin ain't seen the ball. Okay.

Y'all let that quietness fool you. Man, everybody can't play in every system. They say, oh, great. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You better get those guys the ball. And we're going to talk about Tom and say how he approached situations with a receiver, how he would talk. And you hear me say this all the time. If you're a leader, you can't lead everybody the same.

If you're a coach, you can't coach everybody the same. You treat them all fair, but you don't treat them all the same. You have to understand by being around, being observant, talking, and understand what's the best way. Oh, oh, he's so sensitive. Okay, you try that approach approach i'm just telling you having been in locker rooms i'm telling you and i got over almost two and a half decades in locker room i'm telling you what somebody said you can say somebody is sensitive and saw all you want to

but if you approach the wrong guy the wrong way he gonna go upside your head is gonna be a problem so you have to learn by talking to him by watching a lot of times you watch you know guys that i you know you form a form a relationship with you watch them who they talk to in the room how outgoing they are are they joking are they laughing okay when they're on the field are they highly engaged already you get a sense of what you can and can't say to certain people. You have to understand, that's a grown-ass man. You ain't in college now. You ain't in high

school. So you being the captain and thinking you can talk to somebody a certain way, it'll get you lumped up. I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you now. So don't let that feel your shirt fool you. If you're in high school and you're the captain on the team more times

than not guys that aren't the captain ain't going to try you. Right. If you were in college, learn who to talk to, how to talk to him, show everybody a certain level of respect because they deserve it. Or you'll take it. So,

but we will get to what Tom said a little later. Someone who's familiar with the organization, Baker Mayfield, was asked about the Panthers' decision to bench Bryce Young. This is what Baker had to say. Obviously, mine didn't happen in the same time frame that Bryce, but quarterbacks are hard, especially for young guys when you're not surrounded with the pieces that are not given the opportunity to have success.

And so that's a lot of the time guys have the talent. They might have the brains, but they don't have the right opportunity, the right fit. I mean, I'm sitting here right now in a way better fit than other places I've been. And that's not to put other teams down, but it's a matter of the pieces around you, the coaches. And for Bryce, a guy that, that you know i can relate to this finding that belief within yourself again and he'll get it his story is far far from finished yeah one of the key words he said the pieces around you i say it all the time a quarterback is only as good as that supporting cast you can can only do so much. Now, I'm not saying supporting cast is bad,

but there's... Ocho, I can look at my plate, and I got broccoli and asparagus and mushrooms, and I can believe, man, that's a steak. Man, that's chicken. Man, that's crab leg.

I can believe all I want to. That's broccoli, that's mushrooms. And that's whatever it is. It is what it is. I can believe all I want to in myself. But if you don't give me the pieces around me, believe it in me and them not being able to do what I need them to do,

it's not going to matter. It's not. It's not. Because at the end of the day receiver you played a you and i both play dependent positions but a quarterback is dependent also he's dependent on his receivers getting open he's dependent on the offensive line to protect his ass so we all play dependent positions running back is dependent on the offensive line opening holes he's dependent on the tight end and the wide receivers blocking for him he's dependent on the quarterback carrying out the fake to hold the end on the back side we all play dependent positions so everybody is

dependent on everybody else to do their job in order for us to function and operate at maximum capacity. Right now, yes, he lost confidence because he's never lost this many games. He hasn't been this bad in a very long time. And so it's messing with him. So now he's thinking, is it me? Is it me? What did I do? What could I have done differently? What should I have done differently? What should I have done differently?

Nothing. There's nothing you can do. Go to another team. That's what you could do differently. Nothing. I hope Bryce Young see this. Boy, don't you ever question yourself as far as you've come. As far as you've come, you've been winning since high school.

You was probably winning the goddamn junior high. Yep. You look at the landscape. You've been playing football long enough to know. Don't you ever look in the mirror and question yourself and put out no goddamn statement like that, man. I know you got to say it. You a quarterback.

Yeah. You know, you have to be PC. But nigga, please. Excuse me. My bad. My bad. Come on, man. Don't do that, man.

And then also, when you did your interview, not too long ago, I think it was the last week on. Yeah. And he said, they asked him how was your confidence oh my confidence in the lord listen i understand you know you're a man of god but hey well don't answer that like that don't answer that like that don't answer that like that i mean the answer like that is a man to me. That's lost confidence in himself. Who lost his confidence to even say it's with him.

We already know it's with him. You ain't got to say that. Right. You ain't got to say that. I'm feeling good. Things aren't going the way I like it right now. I lost no confidence. But I'm going to bounce back.

I ain't lost a damn bit of confidence because it all started up anyway. The game of football, chat, the game of football is 90% mental. 90%, especially at his position, with as much as he got on this play, man, this right here got to be right. You got a hundred things you got to worry about when you come up by that huddle.

You got to truly believe, though, Ocho. If you answering a question about your confidence being with the man upstairs, Anki's gone and he's shot. It is. You and I both know, playing the position, we believe, I believe I was the baddest mofo on the field.

You believe the exact same thing. I don't care who on the other side. I know what I bring to the table. I know the work that I put in. For all that talking they was doing, I know what I bring to the table. I know the work that I put in. For all that talking they was doing, I know what, look, Ocho, I almost got traded twice. And I remember telling Mike,

I went to Mike's office. I said, Mike, what you fail to realize, there ain't another tight end that can do what I do. And I say that disrespectfully. You know what I'm saying? No, no, I'm saying that disrespectfully. There ain't a mofo out there. And I don't care who you're talking about.

They can't touch me. They can't. I say, how many tight ends you know can go get you 180? How many tight ends you know can go get you 13 catches? Get your three tubs on 13 targets. Come on, man. I say, so I get all of

that you want to put, I say, but they can't do what I do. Not only can they not do what I do, they can't do what I do in the locker room. Yeah. That's the point that you really fail to miss. I said, but you know what? One day I ain't going to be here

and you're going to realize that all the stuff that was taken care of before it jumped on your desk, you're like, well, damn, where all these problems come from? Yeah. A4 took care of it before it ever got to you. Before it even got upstairs.

I say so. But as I left the Baltimore and it came back, our relationship, he saw me in a different light. Because sometimes you only see person as catches and touchdowns, and you don't realize there's so much more than that. My value, I never looked at my value

as just being able to catch the football or just being able to score the touchdown. I had value in the locker room that made sure guys were able to go do what they needed to do on the field because I didn't let locker room issues spill over. And you keep the peace.

You bridge like, hey, at the end of the day, we got to win together. I understand we got differences, but the difference that we're dealing with, they ain't got nothing to do with this right here. I say because y'all arguing about somebody, y'all both at work, y'all don't know what she doing.

I'm going to leave it at that. Tom Brady used Julian Edelman and Randy Moss, two elite wide receivers, as an example to explain how he approached his teammates based on their personality. If you wanted Julian, who had incredible mental toughness,

to play his best, the way you do it is tick him off. I would say things like, Jules, wow, you look really sluggish today. He'd glare at me and be so angry, but I knew he channeled that energy to prove me wrong and go out and play great. He said Randy was wired differently. Randy responded better to validation. Randy, you look amazing out there. Even in practice, if I went too long without throwing him the ball, I'd go over and say how much I valued him and remind him that I was always looking for him on every play. You see?

Yeah. You see? Yeah. You see how you have to approach guys? Now, Randy and Julian, basically, wide receivers, one's a slot, one's not right. But you got to play completely different mindsets. You got to be able to, as a quarterback,

you got to be able to manipulate them to keep them engaged. You don't want to get, you don't want to lose a mouse up here in game. You know how hard that is to get him back on track? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Somebody like that? But once you lose him up here, and they check out mentally in the game

because they ain't getting the ball? Oh, shit. Or don't think he's going to get it. And don't get it? Prime example. Ocho, prime example. Look at Randy Moss in those years in Oakland. Look at Randy Moss when he got to New England

that's all I'm going to say it wasn't nothing wrong with him it was nothing wrong with him at all nothing they played with you you see what your leader did he understood the personalities he understood his teammates and he knew how to

approach him you see y'all hey man man hey randy just being okay now y'all do it your way i will tell you you do it your way and each ball you do it differently but i'm saying if you want to be a great leader if you want to be a leader of men, you understand their personalities and you understand what make them tick and you appeal to that because all I'm trying to do is get the maximum out of you. See, my job is to make sure that I get more out of you than you think you can give me. See, that's what a coach is supposed to do. A coach is supposed to push a player farther than he can think he can go on his own and get more of you than you even know you got in you. So that's what coming back and watching and listening.

I listen to the guys talk. When I say something, I listen. Who laughed? Who gave a little right smile? I watch how they maneuvered in the locker room. I watch them in the cafeteria. Sometimes I just go in the cafeteria, see what they ate, see how they dressed, see

how they moved. I'm all into, hey, how soon they get to work, Ocho? How early they show up for the plane? When they're on the plane, how engaged were they with their teammates? Were they on their little DVD players? Were they watching a movie? What were they doing?

After a while, I had a good sense who I could joke with. Hey, hey, bro, my grandma could have caught that one. Hey, you know what I'm saying? Hey, things like that. Hey, damn, bro, what'd you do last night? Right. You get a good sense of who you can and who you can't and once you once you appeal to that you're good see when people say i don't want no ballot yes you

do you want some hey ocho you did good today ocho that's that's nice oh man ocho man you saw ocho man ocho got the pearly teeth, hair clean, skin glistening. Yeah. You see? We all, yes. If you get a promotion on your job, that's validation. That's why people get upset, Ocho. Man, I ain't get that promotion. I didn't. See, you want the validation.

Man, I show up on time. I do all my work. I've been here X, Y, and Z just many. See? So, athletes want that too i i feel that i've earned it not what i just want what i earned and so that level of respect that comes along with the way i play with the way i've conducted myself man i'm telling you to hear tom i mean he's not telling me anything having been in locker rooms having with the way I've conducted myself. Man, I'm telling you. To hear Tom, I mean, he's not telling me anything, having been in locker rooms,

having been a leader of a team. You understand this, Ocho. You've been around this thing. You know how guys function. And when you win a lot of games, and Tom has won more games than anybody from a player standpoint. And you might not go find,

you might not find another player to win that many games again. So he understands. And you might not find another player to win that many games again. So he understands. And you notice there's nobody saying anything bad about Tom. I think that might be not the touchdown passes,

not the Super Bowl wins, not the playoffs. Is that what guys say about him? Not to his face, but behind his back. That's the mark of a great teammate, of a great leader, of a great person. All that other stuff. Yeah, we know the numbers.

But look how his teammates speak of him. Always positive. Always. Always. I teammates speak of it. Always positive. Always. Always. Always. I was one of them. I was one of them. And I didn't know what to expect when I got to New England.

You know? What I did, I got a better understanding of who he was. And I got a better understanding of why they always won. And it starts at the motherfucking top. It does. And it trickles all the way down to the goddamn head coach and the quarterback that together were special.

Mm-hmm. It was special. Yep. It was special. And I wish y'all could have been inside. And one of the other things I said to myself was,

well, goddamn, Tom is really cool, but the Tom that he portrays on camera ain't really Tom Brady. No, no, no, that's different. He got to protect that image. Same thing with Peyton. Now, having to protect that image, being in New England, now

he kind of came out of shell when he was in Tampa a little bit, man. He came out of shell a little bit. He started getting on IG a little more, started to present himself a little more, and I think that was the hardest thing i think the hardest thing when people like i haven't heard really heard tom um um do really do a game i think the thing is people like you're saying things i say but

you have to understand he spent his entire career of not saying nothing and now he want people to listen to what he has to say see that's the, that's the part that people are trying to get over. Tom, you never said anything. You never spoke. You only gave us cliches. You only gave us coach speak. But it's early. Like I said, he's only going to get better because he's going to put the work in

to get better. So I don't know. Like I said, I don't look. And I think the thing is that what he's up against the two guys that preceded him and go to the number one spot Tony Romo and Greg Olson. Greg Olson won an Emmy. Tony Romo was lightning

in the bottle. So what do they expect now? Everybody that come along, man, he ain't Tony Romo. He ain't Greg Olson. Well, damn. Some people are natural. That's just like saying quarterback. Well, because if a rookie quarterback, well, he ain't no C.J. Stroud.

Well, damn. Everybody ain't C.J. There have been a lot of people that wasn't C.J. Stroud. That doesn't mean they can't be good. Some people get better over time. And I think Tom, that's what Tom's going to be. But that's the thing that he's working against, is that the expectations people have

and how they saw him. But, I mean, what y'all want him to do? Right. What you want him to do? Y'all don't think he knows the game? You don't think he knows what he's talking about? From coverage, from the fronts absolutely but his thing is not i don't think he'll ever be a guy like romo that would like a lot of times like sometimes he would tell you to play well

i think this is what's gonna come jim you you know it's funny with romo as a quarterback i think tom had that same that same visual based on a formation, based on down and distance, based on the team and their tendencies and what they like to run. He could probably guess it too.

Yes. And a lot of these coordinators he know. Yeah. Bingo. And things, you know, offenses don't change no matter where your coordinators go.

They take that same offense with them. They ain't like they start over and scratch. Yeah. Yeah. That's why he knows Spagnola so well he knows Spags he played against those defense so yeah I just

and Troy guys are really good but damn get a man some time damn y'all wanted a man to be John Madden so y'all wanted him to be John Madden, not the box. At week one, huh? They did, though, Joe.

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Two high safeties should be outlawed. What? What is Mel talking about, man? See, this is what happened. When somebody has been in a position that has never played the game, but has studied the game and knows a lot about the players coming out of college and knows the ins and outs and all the little nuances,

and he talks good during the draft, now you're saying something needs to be outlawed. For what? For what? How about you realize that the goddamn offensive line play is fucking horrible this season? That's why the goddamn pass. Horrible. Look at the left tackles. Look at the right tackles in today's game.

Look at it. Pay attention. You'll see why the goddamn numbers are down. It has nothing to do with goddamn cover two, two man, none of that shit, or two safety looks. Like, goddamn, man. Oh, shit. I mean, so in other words, so in other words, he won't the touchdown rate to keep going up.

I mean, he ain't gonna be satisfied until you got five quarterbacks throwing for 50 touchdowns in the season. Guess what? When Dan Marino threw for 48 touchdowns, they played cover two. When Peyton Manning threw for 55, they played cover two. When Tom played, throw for 50, they played cover two. When Patrick Mahomes throw for 50, they played cover two. Marino threw for 48 and 5,000 yards back in the 80s,

they played cover two. It's just ridiculous. As a matter for 48,000 and 5,000 yards back in the 80s. They played cover two. It's just ridiculous. Matter of fact, how about this? If we're going to take out the two-high safety, you got corners having to play man-to-man with some of these elite receivers not having no goddamn help. They need to motherfucking raise the goddamn pay for the

DBs in. Let the DBs make sure the DBs make it 30 million a year if they got to cover these fools. Xavier Worthy and Chris Olave and Rasheed and all these fast dudes. I'm going to make it even.

I'm going to make it even for them. If no more cover two, you can't have a wide receiver on the field that runs four three or faster. Since you want to handicap everybody. Since you want to handicap the defense, they got to play all this single high. Okay. All your receivers got to run at least 4-4.

Run 4-4 or higher. That's a trip, man. Come on, man. I love you. I love you and I respect you, baby, but come on, man. You do realize they went to that. They used to all they played was single high safety until Bob Hayes. Bob Hayes came into the league.

How you going to, the world's fastest man, you going to play him in single high safety with a man coverage? Yeah. He the fastest man on the planet, and you got a DB. Now, remember now, it's dancing like Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire.

Ginger Rogers had a harder job because she did everything Fred Astaire did and she did it backwards in heels. So we're asking these DBs to do everything Tyreek Hill does, but I need you to do it backwards. Backwards. That's crazy. With no help.

That's crazy. It'd be a touchdown on every play. If you just had to play single high? Yeah, for sure. It ain't going to be no touchdown, but it's going to be a lot of yards. Listen, you play off of seven yards and keep everything in front of you,

but all they're going to do is march right down the goddamn field. Yeah. You got to be able to switch it up. You got to play cover two. You got to play quarters. You got to play 55. You got to play six kick. You got to play seven,. You got to play quarters. You got to play 55. You got to play six kick. You got to play seven, 88.

Come on, bro. I don't even think Mel was thinking. Did you think that process grew? There's a reason for different coverages. There's a reason for different defenses. It makes the game difficult for quarterbacks so they don't know where to go with the ball. Right.

There's a reason they bluff. There's a reason why the safety dropped down. I mean, there's a reason why the goddamn offensive line shifts right before the snap of the ball. Like, come on, man. You remember in college? You remember in college? They say, man, y'all need to do it with the no huddle. These spread. These

no huddle offenses. They're going to get somebody. No. You're going to have to coach your team up and get them in better shape so they can handle it. Well, you're going to have to get your quarterback up and get them in better shape so they can handle it. Well, you're going to have to get your quarterback smarter and understand where to go with the football. Get them to study better and stop putting the ball in harm's way. Because they're not telling the offense, well, you can't run empty.

You can't run five wide. You can't run three by one. You can't run a – come on, man. Damn, y'all just want the offense just to go up and down. So just – I I tell you what this is how the defense play with one shoot you can only wear one shoot damn

at some point in time damn let the defense win give me something Ocho let me win something damn all the damn rules in today's game are predicated towards the offensive players now take out the goddamn you can't test the receivers All the damn rules in today's game are predicated towards the offensive players. Now, Mel, you can't touch the receivers past five yards.

You can't touch. You can't do nothing. I can't hit him too hard, Ojo. Remember, I can't hit him too hard either. Oh, you can't hit him? And the quarterback. You can't make him think twice about coming across that goddamn middle? I can only hit the quarterback.

Receivers, they're catching stuff like the Mona Lisa, smiling, one hand in the air. I mean, I'm trying to think. I can't remember. I'm not sure it might have happened, but I don't remember all these catches with one hand. Like, you see these guys going across the middle. Yeah. Looking pretty. And these guys catching three-step slant routes. Ocho, a three-step slant route oh joe a three steps

man mike single tear boy man your head a bit man listen your head would have been rolling boy you'd have a visor over your ear hole because that's what you'd have been looking out of as soon as you brought as soon as you brought your answer that three-step slant right on joe you better let that backer clear. Man, well, you better than me. Hit me in the second window, sir. Yeah, thank you. On the back.

Hit me in the second window. You better let Singletary clear. You better let Raynham clear. Offer Doll and all those guys earn lacquer. What? A three-step slant? Okay. I'm one of that.

Nope. Nope. Nope. That ain't want none of that. Nope. Nope. Mm-mm. Nope. That ain't nothing but a headache. That's when you're sitting on the bench and the trainer, how many fingers I got up? He got up. That's what he's doing.

You know, hey, you okay? Mm-hmm. You know where you are? What'd you have for breakfast this morning? Oh, I remember them days. You better stop. Dan Campbell is selling his home after the Lions fans found his

address after the NFC Championship loss. Dan Campbell has listed his five-bedroom, seven-bathroom Bloomfield Hills, Michigan home he shares with his family for $4.5 million due to security concerns. There's plenty of space. It's on two acres down.

The home is beautiful. It's just people figuring out where we live when we lost. Ocho, what's your take on this? I mean, listen, that's putting his family, his kids in danger. Yeah, come on. Is that serious, Ocho?

I mean, with fans, I've never, never, I mean, I've never experienced it to that nature. But for the sake of his family and his kids, it's okay to move. Yeah, hell yeah. If anything, I mean, I would hate to

say maybe you need to hire a 24-hour security detail, but you shouldn't have to do that. He a coach. He ain't Jay-Z. He ain't LeBron. I mean, like, you Jay-Z, Beyonce, you LeBron, you one of those guys, somebody like that. You know, you Oprah or you like, you know, you somebody like that. But a coach shouldn't have to do that.

Yeah, but just to be safe, though. Oh, yeah. The fact that you have to up and move is is that yeah that's enough i'm sure i'm sure it would probably make your wife uncomfortable it would make the kids uncomfortable so just for their safety to make them feel secure you know security 24-hour security just you know watching over i i i wouldn't i honestly i would move i would just have the security detail on hand during the time the family is coming home, or the wives are coming home,

or the kids are coming home. That's expensive, Ocho. I mean, not... 24-hour security? Not as expensive as you think. 24 hours is, Ocho. I mean, I don't really think it's that much.

I mean, you got damn rapid security all the goddamn time. I ain't talking about your homeboy security now. I'm talking about real. I'm talking about one that's trained, know how to defuse situations, got life permit, you know what I'm saying?

Like that. I don't think it's that much. But the fact that he has to move, it doesn't make it any better because everything is public knowledge. Everything is public information if you know where to look. So, I mean, it's unfortunate. So you don't want to be hopping from place to place to place every time fans find out you got damn leave. If anything, if I was Mr. Campbell, if I was Mr. Campbell,

I'd stay put, get that 24-hour security detail when the kids are home, when the wife is home, or they're coming home from school. And I just have it like that. Coach, I can honestly say, and this is the God's honest truth, I never wanted to be that famous. I still wanted to maintain a level up. This celebrity that has been

thrust that I've had over the last year and some change. I'm trying to, you know, meet Michael and to see him and to see the security detail with him. To see LeBron and to see

these people and to see the detail that's with them. Man. LeBron ain't going to no target. I bet LeBron ain't never been to target. Yeah. LeBron ain't going to no Target. I bet LeBron ain't never been to Target. LeBron ain't probably been to the movies and movie theaters since high school. I'm talking about by him, you know what I'm saying?

He in Savannah or he in the board. He can't do none of that. Right. I can't, you know what's funny? I couldn't be LeBron type famous because I'm too fucking friendly no you wouldn't be that way I go think about

can you imagine if I imagine me being LeBron type famous and I fly places and I'm asking people to pick me up from the airport that would never happen because you're a risk and they would first of all you have to understand familiarity breeds contempt you have to be careful you have to understand familiarity breeds contempt.

You have to be careful. You have to be careful. If you were that famous, you wouldn't do that. You don't think so? Hell nah. I think I would. I wouldn't change. You don't understand what that level of fame is.

First of all, you wouldn't be flying like that. You'd be flying private. For one, if I was that famous and I was still making that kind of money, I'd definitely be flying private. It ain't changing. Your safety risk. Now, if you wouldn't have put your life on the line and your family life on the line,

well, go ahead and have at it. Nah. And then I'm low-key anyway, so I wouldn't be in the limelight like that anyway you can't be low key Ocho and that famous how you gonna be low key

and that famous I'm pretty easy I'm not 6'9 Ocho you said that it don't matter so where you think Leo and Messi going

he fine he can go everywhere all he gotta do is dress normal dress normal put a hat on nobody know it's you Ocho

and you know listen I got something for you how about this you know how celebs you know how they always they go in the sky yeah they they oh they were always surprised oh we saw so and so together you know they call them people they call them photographers to let them know this is what we're gonna be at you know you had your pr hit them they're always really gonna be at and they catch taking pictures. When you don't want to be seen, it's easy

not to be seen. No, here's the thing though, Ocho. If, oh, Ocho, you're going to be at the Grove? Hey, man, guess who on the reservation list tonight at such and such at the Grove? Ocho Cinco? Okay, I'm going to slide you some.

How you think they get you? That's why you can't. That's why the police, anybody come in the police bar, they got somebody there. They got somebody at the courthouse. That's how information get out, Ocho. People, do you understand what the cat said? Cat told us, I'll pay for information. All these sites will pay for information.

That's how they knew. What did they know about the situation just happened? They knew Diddy was about to get arrested, didn't he? Oh, yeah. Before it even happened, they had started reporting on it. Oh, and matter of fact, let me tell you the game they're playing too now. Let me tell you. Oh, he's on suicide watch.

Yeah. Hold on. Let me tell you the game they're playing now. Hold on. Let me tell you the game they're playing now. Hold on. All right. I see bad day. I just feel bad. I feel bad because I think, you know, in a situation like this, I guess, I guess, Ocho, if I

was a fan, like that fan is short for fanatic, I guess I just don't care enough. I ain't finna call nobody. I ain't finna call nobody. I ain't finna curse nobody out about no game. Right. Shit, boy. I definitely ain't going to somebody's house.

People got the ability to protect themselves. Man, that man feel like his family being threatened. And let everybody have it. Yeah. Come on, fans. threatened and let everybody have it. Yeah. Come on, fans. Come on. I get it. I mean, Detroit, Detroit, I mean, the NFC Championship game and it was like one game away.

They hadn't had one something since, what, 57. Come on. I get it. But come on, fans. We got to do better than this now. Y'all going to the man house? Ain't that serious for me, Ochoa? I'm sorry. I'm really sorry, Ochoa.

Hey, my little brother, right? My little brother just texted me saying, he's talking about if you was LeBron famous, he'd be catching, he's talking about man, fool, they'll hold you, he's talking about, man, fool, they'll hold you for ransom. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. You ain't, talking about you, talking about, oh, please. That's right.

Hey, one thing, that's right, man, listen, God, God do better. God, God,

God do better. All your kids. Huh? All your kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God, God do better than to bless kids. Or your kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God knew better than to bless me with that kind of fame. You know? God gave me more fame.

Guess what, Ocho? He gave me more fame than I deserve. Yeah. He gave me way more, way more than I deserve. Yeah. But, you know, it is what it is now. It comes along with the territory as you

start to make a certain level, you start to get good at a particular something. Yeah. Especially if it's a professional sport, because now you're on television. People recognize you, especially like basketball, because they can see your face. We're in the light we know we do digitally

we're on television linear television people see us without the helmet so we're more recognizable more visible now man with that kind of money man they steal the hell out there all your kids how many kids boy you have to have security on all your kids

my kids carry. That's all right. And they can't. Please. Man, you can't. Hey, you have to put all you have to put all that thing.

Yeah. That's the life. Yeah, that's different. That's different. Listen, I wouldn't I wouldn't wish that on nobody. Anyway, I wouldn't wish that on nobody anyway. I wouldn't wish that on nobody. And the funny thing about it is

there's certain individuals, there's a select few that are at that height of fame and power, a select few. Like anywhere you go in the world, you're known. It don't matter. You go to Africa, you go to Russia,

you go to China, there's not a place. I mean, you go to Russia, you go to China, you go... There's not a place... I mean, you're going to have to go to some of the most remote places on the continent for them not to know who you are. But I'm saying if you go to... They're going to know. I couldn't do it.

I'm just too sociable. I'm too fucking friendly. I like to be out and enjoy my cigar. Ocho, what you fail to realize as you start to get that level, you start to distance yourself. You can't be that way. You don't think

LeBron was sociable at one point in time. Jordan was sociable at one time. Tiger was sociable at one time. All the people that you're talking about were sociable at one time. Then people that you're talking about were sociable at one time then you start to realize where can I go and you got to sign 10,000 autographs

take 50,000 pictures damn you know how miserable everything you just explained sir yes I'm glad that's why I'm glad I'm right yes everybody yes it's like because like you think about it Ocho I'm glad I'm right where I'm at.

Yes. It's like, because like you think about it, Ocho, you sign 50 autographs. You don't sign 51. You a dick. Man, Ocho's an asshole. He a liar. He's an effing liar.

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