Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 1: Alabama upset, Colorado’s Title hopes take hit, Aaron Rodgers returning?

Episode Date: November 24, 2024

Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Jalen Milroe and the Alabama Crimson Tide getting blown out by unranked Oklahoma, 24-3. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss  Deion “Coach Prime” Sanders, Shedeur Sanders, Travis Hunter and #16 Colorado losing to unranked Kansas in a crucial Big 12 showdown and Hunter’s Heisman odds increasing despite loss, Aaron Rodgers saying he wants to return for 2025, but not with the New York Jets and much more!04:00 - Show start04:30 - Intro06:27 - Oklahoma beats Bama15:25 - Kansas beats Buffs37:05 - 4 Way Tie across the Big 1238:19 - Travis Hunter’s Odds Soar despite loss40:38 - Boise beats Wyoming45:46 - Florida beats Ole Miss48:00 - Auburn beats Texas A&M49:32 - Ohio beats Indiana54:11 - Tenn State beats Missouri State55:47 - Daniel Jones waived by the Giants59:20 - Jets Could Reportedly Release Rodgers in Season(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Tide have lost three games this season, haven't lost three games in a season since 2010. I have a question, huh? Yeah. Before you even go on, you just said we started out Oklahoma upsets number seven, Alabama.

Is it really an upset with the way Alabama has been playing all season? Is it really? When you think about it, the way they played all season. Yeah. Oklahoma coming into that game was 5-5. Now you tell me. Okay.

All right. All right. Go ahead. But Alabama couldn't stop the run. Oklahoma ran the ball 50 times for 257 yards. They threw the ball 11 times for 68 yards. The one thing Alabama has always prided themselves on is their ability to stop the run.

And they could not stop it. Also, this is what we know about Alabama. Jalen Milrow, when they lose ballgames, all you got to do is just go back and look at his turnover. Go back and look at Vanderbilt. They lost. He turned the ball over multiple times. Go back and look at Tennessee. He turned the ball over multiple times. Go back and look at Tennessee.

He turned the ball over multiple times. Look at Alabama. He turned the ball over multiple times. What he needs to realize, your team is not good enough to overcome your mistakes. They're not. They're just not. They're not equipped to deal with that.

And the way Alabama has always been built is that they take the ball away. They don't give it away. They're normally able to run the football, not allow you to run the football. But this year, they haven't been able to stop the run consistently. And when Jalen Melrose plays a clean

game, when he doesn't turn it over or he minimizes his turnover, Alabama has the ability to win all their games. Well, they've lost three. Lost to unranked Vanderbilt, they lost to Tennessee, and they lost to unranked Oklahoma. Which probably, with all likelihood, ends their college

football playoff hope. And that's a good thing, because all Alabama was going to do was get in there and get embarrassed. Embarrassed, yeah. But listen, especially for Jalen Monroe, I'm not trying to make any excuses for him, but the two defensive ends for Oklahoma today caused havoc the entirety of the

game. All four quarters. They made him very uncomfortable. He couldn't even get in the rhythm. He couldn't get in the rhythm if he wanted to. And he had happy feet always having someone draped on him when he was trying to throw the ball. I would love to give Oklahoma their credit to the defensive

scheme that they played against Alabama. Not only making him uncomfortable, but the secondary as well and the second level playing Oklahoma, their credit to the defensive scheme that they played against Alabama, not only making him uncomfortable, but the secondary as well and the second level playing extremely well where they couldn't run the ball. They really, honestly, they really couldn't do anything. No. Honestly. They were one-dimensional all goddamn day, and the one thing they could do, they couldn't even do that.

Oklahoma is very good against the rush. So, you know, you have and that's what you do when you have a team in your building and you know, the crowd is going to be a factor. What you try to do, you take away the run. Now we get an opportunity to pin up here's back because we know they're going to be a tad late getting off the ball. And I know everybody's going to silent count. Everybody's looking to guard, looks back at the quarterback.

You ready? And then he flashes his hand in front of the what you call them. That's not the same as being able to going to silent count. Everybody's looking to guard, looks back at the quarterback, you ready? And then he flashes his hand in front of the, what you call them? That's not the same as being able to hear that snap count. Because now the tackle's got to, he got to try to do this inside, but he's got edge rushers on the edge. And so now you're just a fraction. And that's all these guys need, that he who hesitates is beat. But give Oklahoma credit.

They came ready to play. They're trying to get bowl eligible it's really that simple i mean these teams like we're not going to the college football playoff but we can end on a great note we can get to a bowl possibly win a bowl give us something good to go into the spring get spring practice for something for us to build on 2025 right but uh alabama this is this is a very, very... I mean, you lose the unright Vanderbilt, you lose the unright Oklahoma, there's no shame in losing on the road

at Tennessee, but you've got to cut down on the turnovers because your team is not good enough to overcome that. Jalen Milrow did not play particularly well today. Well, he didn't play well at all. He didn't play well. You're right, Ocho. They did a great job of getting after him, but they're going to get after your ass in the NFL. I mean, you say you have hopes and dreams and aspirations of playing at the next level. What do you think you're right Ocho they did a great job of getting after him but they're gonna get after your ass in the NFL I mean you say you have hopes and dreams and aspirations to playing at the next

level what do you think you're gonna get be able to pat the ball back there like you're in seven on seven no you're gonna have to be able to function under duress and that's what the great quarterbacks the great players can do they can function under duress and tonight and uh he did not do a good job of that but they couldn't run the football like you mentioned. 30 rushes, 70 yards. Now, you're one-dimensional. I know you can't run it. You know you can't run it.

And so now, we're going to put you in second and 10, second and 11, second and long, third and long. Now, we just come get you. Really, I mean, they got okay receivers. Williams is sensational, the freshman. And Bernard, he's number five so they yeah they got they got receivers but tonight was not alabama's finest showing um considering they played a team that was very inspired um brett venables wanted to give it you know he here he hears the whispers this is not the oklahoma oklahoma don't go six

and five right um but uh give those guys credit give oklahoma credit um they came out ready to play they took it to alabama and alabama uh now for all intents and purposes are done with the college football playoff i just don't see how you lose two games to unranked teams right that's three that's three losses and somehow you still make it in especially unranked team if these teams were ranked you know like damn that is a tough gauntlet man you lost the oklahoma rank you lost the vanderbilt rank you like the tennessee rank but you lost the two of these teams they were unranked at the time in which they beat you i have a question especially the question for the chat too as well understanding how the voters always have some type of favoritism for teams like this. Sometimes the rules are skewed.

They do things uncharacteristic to allow a certain team to get in the playoffs. How would y'all feel? How would you feel if for some reason Alabama is able to get in the playoffs anyway, even with having three losses? Well, look, Alabama has a huge fan base. They're going to travel. They rate very well. But who do you leave?

I mean, Georgia seems like they're going to go. The only thing that I hate, Ocho, is that the conference and Lane Kiffin brought this up. He said there might be a team that's on the bubble, a team that has two losses. They go to the conference championship. They lose. They're going to be out.

Well, somebody didn't even make their conference title, get an opportunity to go. Right. So if I'm not, if you're not careful, Ocho, the next couple of years,

you watch the big 10 and the sec say the hell away with big championship because they don't mean anything. They do. They cause more harm than good. Right. Because the last thing I want to do is go to a championship game ocho and lose it and get beat and a team that didn't even make it gets an opportunity to go go yeah so uh we're gonna see how that plays out obviously the sec and the big

10 controls all the cards whatever they say is gonna go there's nothing to ncaa there's nothing to acc there's nothing any other conference can do about it those two mega conferences control everything because they have all the blue bloods they have all the programs they have the Alabamas the Georgias they have the Texases they have the Ohio States the

Michigan the Penn State and yada yada yada so they're going to control what college football is going to look like moving forward. And the funny thing, the funny thing before, before you finish is I understand Alabama has three losses now, but also what it comes down to what we can forget about is what's the most

important factor for these teams. When it comes down to teams going into the playoffs, it's all about money at the end of the day, who's going to generate us the most revenue as well. So despite losses i'm just saying for those you in the chat and those you are going to see this at some point let's forget what the bottom line is at the end of the day what team going into the playoffs can generate the most revenue yeah um so it's going to be interesting um take the san m um i mean because look you got still you got georgia you got texas and you got a and m buying to go to the you know the uh the sec championship right so there's a chance that one of those teams don't go and then one of those teams do the other two teams go somebody's got to

lose and guess what the other team just go, somebody's got to lose. And guess what? The other team just sitting right back there saying, whoo, thank you. Because it's not that you lost. When did you lose? It's better to lose early than lose late. You've seen that before.

But this is going to be very interesting. I don't think Alabama would have earned the right to go. I know what their fan base, I know the eyeballs that they generate through ratings, but losing to two unranked teams, that should be a disqualifier right there. Kansas Jayhawks became the first team in college

football history with a losing record to beat three consecutive top 25 teams by knocking off Coach Prime's 16th ranked Colorado Buffalo. Ojo, remember I told you. This is the game that scares me. This is the game that scares me because they're going to be trying to get

bowl eligible. They are at home. They've got nothing to lose. And so I was more concerned about fake punts, fake field goals, blitzing when you don't have anything to lose the Colorado anything

goes. Anything's off the table. I go forward on fourth down because they're already expecting me to lose, Ocho. So if I go for a fake point and get stopped, so what? I was supposed to lose anyway. If I go for a fake field goal and don't get it, Ocho, so what? If I go forward on fourth down and so, yeah, I was supposed to lose. But

they played extremely well today they ran the football without knowing the score if I told you one team ran the ball for 330 plus yards one team was 9 of 14 on 3rd down 2 of 2 on 4th down so that makes them 11 of 16

on 3rd and 4th down if I tell you said team also possessed the ball for 40 minutes, you can say they beat the hell out of somebody. Yeah. That was Kansas. Kansas ran the ball 57 times for 331 yards. They possessed the ball 40 minutes.

Coach Prime said the Buffaloes fumbled their own destiny. They did. We controlled our own destiny. They did. We controlled our own destiny. They did. They didn't need any help from anybody. They didn't have to say, you know, sometimes in football. Well, if Pittsburgh beat Cleveland and then this team, and then the Houston Texans beat Jags and Indy tie, we can get in.

No, all you had to do was win. And you were in the driver's seat. You were in the cat bird seat. And they came out a little slow offensive before, you know, it was 10, nothing. Then it was,

it was what? Seven. It was 17, seven and 17, nothing, 17, nothing. Excuse me.

And Travis Hunter gets a touchdown, gets a sensational block. He goes in for the touchdown. And it's a 17-7. They get it to 21-23. You're like, okay, now we got something to settle in. But Ocho, it was second. Okay, they got a holding call.

So it's first and 20, but they got a sack also that would have made it second and 11. Coach Prime declines it. Rob Living 20, but they got a sack also that made it second. That would have made it second 11 coach prime declines it. Rob Livingston, the D coordinator run has a run list on. They got the guy. It should be third and 13. They missed Neil who had an outstanding night running the football,

37 carries 207 yards, three touchdowns. So what should have been third and 13? He gets 25 yards. Shiloh Horse calls him, he gets another 15. So what should have been third and 13, all of a sudden it's a 40-yard game.

Mistackle after mistackle. They had to have at least 20. 20 or more mistackles. I mean, at some point I'm like, right, they're not going to throw the ball. Why would I throw it when I can

turn around and hand it off and get the same amount of yards if I were to throw it? It was working every time. It was working every time, and obviously the defense couldn't get off the field. Not only could the defense not get off the field, but offensively, what the Kansas defense did to the goddamn Buffs is they always kept them in third and long.

Yes. They always kept them in third and long. Over and over, and they made them one-dimensional because they couldn't run the ball. If you can't run the ball on offense, and they know you have to throw at some point, it makes it that much more difficult for your offense to be effective. Shador can only do so much travis hunter can only do so much you got to be able to run the ball especially against a team like kansas that has quality players despite what their record may be knowing that they have nothing to lose i'm throwing the kitchen sink and everything else i got right at you

yeah neil 37 carries 207 yards three touchdowns he had four catches 80 yards one touchdown um he caught a little simple swing pass out of the backfield right they missed too many tackles shiloh has to understand everything can't be a big hit he takes some terrible angles oh joe he really does hey he'd be trying to he's a he's a he's what we call a thumper yeah Yeah, but thumpers end up seeing the back of the guy's jersey as he's running to the end zone. Because in order to be a thumper, you got to take great angles. Because you got to go to the point where you think you're going to be and you got to get there at a high rate of speed.

Not where he's at, yeah. Right. So if you take the wrong angle, you're already outplayed because your momentum is not going to let you change directions. And he has to understand that. Everything can't be a big hit. It's okay to sometimes just get the guy on the ground. I know the crowd goes crazy.

I know your sideline goes crazy when you throw those big hits. But what it does, it puts you in a vulnerable position because a lot of time you're going to be out of position yeah and on that long run he took a terrible angle he did yeah he had 13 tackles which is not good because he's a safety that means your first two levels did a horrible job yeah yeah a horrible job hey that goddamn devin neal boy he played he had a hell of a game today boy 200 yards 37 for 207 they ran the ball 57 times for 331 and three touchdowns that's crazy that's crazy colorado only have 40 they ran 42 they had 42 snaps that counted they had 29 passes

should do it in place should do it had 23 or 29. He had a touchdown. He had a touchdown. The guy made a great play and pulled it out. Give him credit. Shepard caught the ball and the DB came over the top and ripped it out. Give him credit. The guy gets defensive. Sometimes we can't say every time

a play is made, you can't say, well, the guy dropped it. No, the guy defensive guy, you just got to give those guys credit also. He made a great play on the ball. But, Ocho, when you, like I said, when your time of possession is 40 to 20. Yeah, lopsided. They had almost 300 more rush yards than what Colorado had. So when you lose the top time of possession,

when you lose the rush yardage, the total yardage, and you can't force the team to turn it over, you can get beat. You are. I mean, you are. It's really that simple. And they squandered a great

opportunity. Now, guess what? All those people that have been hoping, that have been quiet, they're going to be loud. They're going to be loud, huh? They're going to be as loud as possible. But still, even with them being loud, you still have to understand this is

a successful season based on what they did last year. It's still a successful season based on what they did last year. It's still a successful season, even if you don't have an opportunity to play in the Big 12 championship. What you've been able to accomplish. I'm just saying in general, I'm being optimistic on what they've been able to do in such a

short amount of time. They don't look at it like that. 1-11, the 4-8, the 8, the 7, what's the record now? They were 1-12, they were 4-8, and now they're 8-3. Yeah.

But Ocho, Ocho, if I dislike you, I don't see any positive in anything you do. Okay, okay. Do you understand how that works? Yeah, you know,

when you're hitting, you're going to always find something wrong. Right. And if you're a nitpicker, no matter who the person is or no matter how great that individual or

here team success may be I'm always going to find something wrong you can do that I mean it's easy to do that you can nitpick about any goddamn thing you can if that's what you if that's what you choose to do if you look at it objectively I don't think you can say that coach time

has not done a good job with this football team you go from one and 12 to go from the four and eight to here we are eight and three and you're going to a bowl game you close out how many games they got left too yeah i think they got oklahoma state at home who they got else that's the only game they get at home that's the last game oh okay okay so they only got one game left oh okay ok oklahoma state yeah no i'm not going to look at look y'all if you watch the game you saw it i know a lot of you guys don't look at the game the way i look at it because i'm not looking at okay yeah they score okay fine I look at why they scored I'm looking at the formations I'm looking at the coverages

I'm looking at the front and I'm looking at a lot of different things to try to come up with the best when I come in and I talk to you to tell you this is why what happened there were terrible run fits there were terrible angles like I said uh Neal should have been tackled a couple of times in the backfield but negative yards he's getting 10 yards which should have been tackled a couple of times in the backfield, but negative yards. He's getting 10 yards, which should have been a negative play. Guys just missing tackles, taking terrible angles. But, you know, Coach Prime said the guy's success is intoxicating, and maybe that was the case, but they definitely did not come. When you go on the road, Ocho, you have to –

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watching the game analytically. Okay, are you going to get a chance to talk about it? What's your podcast? Cause I want to hear. Are you on television, linear television? I mean, just, just shoot me. Hey, hop back in there and say, well, Hey, this is what I'm doing. This is how I'm breaking the day down. And I said, I said a lot, I didn't say all, there's no such thing as all in every. Right. But I know most people are not looking,

didn't break down tape like you and i did for a living and now all of a sudden i can't i don't really get an opportunity to really enjoy the game ocho because it's just not about touchdowns it's just not about sacks and interceptions i need to know why i need to know how so that way when i go when i go on before but when i'm doing nightcap or I'm doing ESPN, I can talk with a high degree of certainty. Right. This is what happened and this is why it happened. Not to say everybody doesn't watch it like that, but normally people that didn't play the game or doesn't have a job that's in television where you have to talk about it, don't look at it like that. Right. You just don't because you don't know what you're looking for.

So just hop back in and just let me know because I want to hear your analysis on it because I really want to see how you do. I want to see how you do. I want to see how you break down the game and how you look at it. Yeah, I do. Yeah. Because, I mean, when I hear guys on television a lot of times, like Saturday night a lot of times I see things kind of similar.

Dan, Dan looks at it from a quarterback perspective. Yeah. I don't, he and I, we see some things the same. I kind of see things more like me and Saturday kind of see things. Right.

Even Ryan and Fox see things differently than i do right um i take a i take an approach okay this i remember go back and i was like okay they were in this front they were in this front they were in this coverage against this formation okay why that should have been covered right it's like oh we was talking about bro how you give up when you got quarter you got deep quarter he got deep quarter he got deep quarter how you give that up of the post normally every time why why are you down why are you down there trying to take an out route away when that's roquan smith responsibility that is not your responsibility right that's what that's what left me baffled they talking about and cam was like hey hey oh you know sometime the woman you

know she she dangled that skirt in front of you yeah but cam he married he ain't supposed to look that's that's what i'm saying he can't look right he already got somebody. Because that's not his responsibility. And so it was tough to watch, to see Neal, how he ran the ball with such conviction. It's been a while since I saw a guy that ran angry. The first guy did not bring Neal down. Not once. He's like, I am not going down with the first contact. It's going to take more than one.

And even if you got his leg, he was stumbling for three, four, five yards. He always fell forward. He always did. He was always past the second level every time whenever he did get tackled. He was always past the second level. Yeah. And so, like I said, when I see your corner, your safety have 13 tackles.

Another guy corner had nine tackles. Another, nah, that's too many. That's too many. That means the first two levels are not doing a good job. And that means guys are up on the second level because they only had 14 completions. So it's not like you're getting a whole lot of opportunities to tackle. You had 85 total tackles, Ocho. That's not good.

That's not good. That's not good. But all. That's not good. That's not good. But look, all is not lost. You get an opportunity to finish up at home. You win the game at home. You're 9-3. Now you're probably going to go to a really good bowl game. Very.

Because it is Coach Prime. It is Shador. It is Travis Hunter. People don't want to see that game. They'll travel. So I think they'll get a very good game. Go ahead, Ochoa. Now we talk about seeing them in a big bowl game.

Now we know Travis Hunter and Shador Sanders are going to the draft next year. Do they play is the next question. Do they play in the bowl game? Because you know how players have been sitting out the past few years. Yes, yes. Passing up the bowl game. So that's another question that comes. True, true true and we've seen a lot of that happen lately um if you go back and look at bryce young bryce young didn't make the college football player he played

the final game a lot of these teams play their players play um but if they didn't play am i gonna hold it against them no no and and seeing okay I don't know if you saw this play with the linebacker from Kansas. He went into, that's dirty. That's Butch Lee, bro. He went low, hit the knee, that play? The only thing that saves your door, he was a split second, and he got that leg up. Had he not got that leg, had he not got that foot at the dirt,

there's no way, there's no way that guy doesn't rip the knee. And it was intentional because his head was down. He was going for the man's knee. And that's Bush League, bro. That's Bush League. I mean, you wouldn't want someone to do you like that. Now, I don't know what a young man's draft status is, but you know karma, man.

And karma, sometimes it's long. Sometimes it's long. they got young man's draft status is but you know karma man oh yeah karma sometimes you know sometime it's long sometime it's long and other times it's like amazon prime they'll get it to you the same day yeah so bro be careful but that was a bush league play bro that was a bush that was a bush league play uh and look i'm not saying colorado friends do not send a man death threats uh you look you can be fine can be, you can be upset and you have every right to be upset. But it was a Bush league play.

It was a dirty play. It was an intentional play. Can't no one. I don't care what his coach says. I don't care what his parents says. I don't care what he says. That was intentional. He may,

it was deliberate. I'm going at the man's knees and I'm going to do what I, I'm going to try to, I'm going to try to take him out. That's what that was. That was Butch Lee. Shador spoke about the dirty play he hit after the game, Ocho. He said

it doesn't know how the play was legal, given a non-call from the officiating crew. I don't know how that's legal. Overall, I understand that, but you know it is what it is. It was a couple of plays like that. But yeah, it was. Shador also had a chippy moment between him and the ref.

Shador took issue to one of the officiates, blocking him from getting in the face of the Jayhawk and chose to shove the official. The official did not throw a penalty on him for the shove. Shador, just be careful, bro. Yeah. Because at the next level you're gonna get tossed oh yeah okay it's really that simple you'll get tossed out of the game

if you put your hands on official when there's a confrontation between you or team and whatever the case may be you're gonna get tossed yeah it's not worth it and plus you're the quarterback i understand when emotion is high logic is generally low but just be smart just be smart you're the quarterback. I understand when emotion is high, logic is generally low. But just be smart. Just be smart. You're too valuable. That's not a good tradeoff because the official stays in the game and you get tossed.

I know the game was over, but hey, just be smart. Just a lesson learned, something to move forward. Look, I'm not telling anything that his dad is not going to have a conversation with when they get home. If they haven't had the conversation already, son, be smart. You're much too valuable. That's not a good tradeoff. Even if you were to shove a player, you get tossed, he get tossed.

How is that a good tradeoff? Messes up the whole game. Yeah, absolutely. But give Kansas credit. They need one more win to be bowl eligible, right? They're five and six.

Kansas. They need six wins to be bowl eligible. So they put themselves in position to be bowl eligible. They're the first team to have a losing record to beat three ranked teams consecutive. Yeah. Uh, that, that, that's, that's good coaching. Um, they could have easily given up on the season, but you know what? It's a, nah, we, we, we still got something to play for.

They're playing the tails off and, uh, congratulations to Kansas Jayhawks as they take down the number 16 Colorado Buffaloes by the score of 37-21. Now, it's a four-way tie atop the Big 12. Arizona State, 6-2. BYU, 6-2. Iowa State Cyclones, 6-2. Colorado Buffaloes, 6-2. And the Buffs,

two teams from Kansas, Kansas State and Kansas Jayhawks. Beat them. Yep. Yep. Damn. Yep. Damn. Damn. Let's see what happens.

It's a four-way tie, and probably, what do they take? The highest rank, the higher rank of the teams? How are they going to settle this? Okay. okay well none of these teams they didn't play see you didn't play anybody but Arizona State right did they play Arizona State or they played Arizona because I don't think any of these teams that have the tie record, they didn't play BYU, they didn't play Iowa State,

and they didn't play Arizona State. Okay. We're going to get you that information. Travis Hunter. The tie teams will be compared based on their head-to-head records during the season. Well, to my estimation, I don't think Colorado played any of the teams that they're tied with, Ocho.

Tie teams will be compared based on percentage against common conference opponents. Tie teams will be compared based on percentage against common conference opponents. Okay? Tied teams will be compared based on win percentage against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings based on record of all games played within the conference. Man, that shit too complicated. Oh, excuse me.

Man, that thing too complicated. Hey. Hey, we just got to wait for this thing to play out, Ocho. Listen, it always has been. It always has been. You have to really be, really be, what's the word I'm looking for? Really have great understanding on how the format works in general to understand, knowing the team's records and how they judge

and decide who goes in because sometimes it gets confusing. It's damn near like calculus. Yes. Because it used to be, okay, head-to-head and then common opponent. And then, you know, what did you do in the conference? Strength and stability. Yeah, yeah, you know.

In the NFL, you know what I'm saying, Ocho? That's the way it was, okay? Head-to-head. Division. Conference opponents. Common opponent. Man, I ain't got time for all that. Travis Hunter odds

soars in spite of a loss. He hauled in 125 yards receiving, two touchdowns on eight receptions. Hunter eclipsed the 100-yard receiving mark for the sixth time this season, tying a single-season school record. On defense, Hunter seven total tackles, two pass breakups,

and word an interception. Here's the thing, Ocho. Yeah. And he got that interception, which he don't. Oh. We agreed to cut it? Yeah, yeah. They'd go ahead and send him to high.

They'd go ahead and send it to him. Listen, you might as well. You might as well. Especially, he almost had it, too. If it wasn't for the ground, he would have caught that. DraftKings Sportsbook now has him as a minus 800 favorite ahead of Ashton Gentry, who has the second best odds at plus 650. Unless he rushes for 400 yards and six touchdowns, I just don't know how he overtakes him.

I just don't know, Joe. He's not. He's not going to overtake him. Listen, Travis Hunter is going to win the Heisman Trophy. Everybody can see that. Everybody can see that. Now, I would hope, and again, I've said it before, those that are doing the voting, I would hope that they don't

allow their personal vendetta against Prime, maybe not like them for whatever reason it may be, but don't allow your personal issues with Prime to take away from a player's success that's doing something absolutely phenomenal and spectacular that's been done

before but never been done to this magnitude. Don't do that. Don't do that. Oh, damn, he big as hell, boy. Hey, I'll whoop him. Tight man. My name is Titus.

You daddy's boy. You daddy's boy. I love you too, buddy. Make him bark. Make him bark. He said, nah, I don't bark until you come in here to the house. You come in the house. Oh, he bark?

Oh, hell yeah. What? I see you. I see you. All right. Off. Oh, he listened, too, boy. You said off and he cleared it. Boise State defeating Wyoming 17-13.

Ashton, the aforementioned Ashton Gentry. 20 carries, a buck 69. One touchdown. Now, if I'm not mistaken, Ash, what is he? 2,000. He needed 107. So now he's what? 2,062?

Rush yards? So now he's what? 2062? Rush Yards? I think he had 1893. So let's go with 2062. I'll take 2062 for 800, Alex. Hey, I like Ashton Jitney is good yeah he's good and that's

he's having a great season on show yeah but me personally I don't think he's the best player in college football no

now if he had put together a Barry Sanders type season okay now we tell you 11 games 2600 yards 40 touchdowns yeah we gotta Now, if he had put together a Barry Sanders type season. Okay, now we tell you. 11 games, 2,600 yards, 40 touchdowns. Yeah, we got to conversation. We got to conversation.

But he is good, though. He's unbelievable. We don't want to take anything away from him, especially what he's doing from a statistical standpoint. But what Travis Hunter is doing, running back, yes, is one thing. Yeah. Being able to play both sides of the ball consistently, every single goddamn snap. And play at the level in which he plays. And be efficient on both sides of the ball.

Man, what Travis Hunter is doing, man, is something different, man. It needs to be seen as such. You knocked it off. Yeah, he's playing unbelievable. I mean, he got out the gate for the first carry, went 61 yards. Uh-huh. And so, look, they saving him. He only had 19 carries.

Yeah. So, he was, he's playing good. Look, I don't want to diminish the man, because I think the guy, I think he's a phenomenal football player, and he's, he's playing good. Look, I don't want to diminish the man. Cause I think the guy, I think he's a phenomenal football player and he's having an unbelievable season, but I just don't think we've seen anything like, like Travis Hunter. No, we've seen guys.

Look, I'm old enough to remember champ champ from champ from Charlton County. Our teams used to play each other a lot. I watched champ at the university of Georgia. Woody, Charles Woodson. I remember when Woody came out. He went to the Raiders. We played against Woody a lot before he went.

Obviously, I retired. He went to Green Bay. Who else? What was the guy from UCLA? He was a running back. He was a running back and a linebacker. Miles Jack. Yeah.

Miles Jack, he was freshman of know, freshman of the year, defensively, he was phenomenal. But this kid here, this kid here. Bro, y'all stop that. Oh, he ain't playing. See what they're trying to do now? Wait, what'd they say? Travis Hunter ain't played one elite team. You see what they do,

Ocho? Hold on, hold on. I have a question. Before you say that, now again, this is where we talk about nitpicking, where you get nitpicked. Well, we can say Ashton Jenton ain't played against no team. Ain't played one league team. Yeah, I mean, you can say the same thing. Okay, if they don't

mind me asking, what's the elite team? Well, he did play, I think Boise State did play Oregon. Are we saying Oregon is the elite team? I mean, obviously. How did he do against Oregon, though? He went for like 100 or something. Oh, he's gone over 100 every damn game. Every game, yeah.

Yeah. I think people need to understand, if you're not a casual fan, you understand a player's skill set and understand the skill set that they do have will translate to any team that they're playing. And that's what Travis Hunter is. Regards to who they're playing, what he's able to do from a skill set that they do have will translate to any team that they're playing. And that's what Travis Hunter is. Regardless of who they're playing, what he's able to do from a skill set perspective, he can do

that on anybody. It doesn't matter who it is. I just don't like it. Y'all try to do anything. Y'all can't undermine anything. Always. He had 192 against Oregon. Oh my god yeah oh he legit he's he's he's legit um but it seems to me what they would they would they'll do anything to undermine anything that see you because it's related to coach pride yeah you watch the game

yeah i just said what that guy's doing you watch the game right look at the level in which he's playing he ain't just out there yeah he's intercepting the balls he had a big force fumble that ended up winning the game against north dakota state he's you know outstanding interceptions look at the touchdowns look at the plays that he's making i get a man is credit man y'all let me come on now i get it um but like i said i i think i think aston genti he observed the dope walker i think he's a uh he's an all-american no question about it but But in my estimation, watching them both play, I think Travis Hunter is the best player in college.

Florida knocks off No. 9 Ole Miss, knocked them out of the college football playoff with a 24-17 win in the Swamp. Florida, which has topped LSU last Saturday in the Swamp, beat ranked teams in consecutive weeks for the first time since 2008. We're just getting started. Billy Napier said, this is a part of the big picture journey. Belief is the most powerful thing in the world.

Ole Miss, which came in as a 10-point favorite, lost for the first time in four games and will drop out of the 12-team playoff picture. Florida! Yeah, I mean, look, this is the Florida we expected to see early. We didn't expect them to be as bad as they were. They're 6-5 now. They got off to

a very, very sluggish start. They were not playing particularly well um but billy napier uh has turned his team around got him playing extremely well they did a great job of getting keeping jackson dart they confused him a lot of plays uh they got after him what they have four sacks they have four sacks? They have four sacks? Excuse me, picked them off twice? Give them credit. They played well. And, you know, the Swamp is not an easy place to play.

I mean, it's not. But they've been playing so bad early, whether they're playing home or away. I didn't even expect this. If I was a gambling man and I was gambling and betting on the game today, I would have had Ole Miss winning. I would have had Ole Miss winning. I would have had Ole Miss winning this game. So the fact that Billy Napier has been able to get up a whole of his team and get them

to play different and not lose themselves. You know, sometimes the coach loses his team when players stop playing, but they just feel like, well, hell, the season's over. We're going to chalk it up. But he found a way to get the boys to turn it around, and they've

been playing some goddamn good football as of late. They've been playing great football. I know Lane Kevin. Mad as a motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah. So, Ole Miss looks like they're about

to have the same fate as Alabama out of the college football playoff. Auburn, unranked Auburn, upsets number 15 Texas A&M. So now the number 17 SEC, the number 19 SEC, and the number 15 team all lose today. Texas A&M lost 43-41. What is it? After

two scores, you got to go for the two-point so now everything is a two-point conversion. Auburn scored. Texas A&M did not. Auburn upsets Texas A&M by the score of 43-41. I think that's the only game Alabama got left is the Iron Bowl

against Auburn right which will not be easy no hell what if they lose that it's in Auburn or it's in Alabama and back to the is it Alabama?

Oh, Joe. And to make matters worse, if you think about it, on fourth down, you remember Colorado, it was on fourth down and then she do end up throwing the ball out of bounds.

And it was like six minutes to left. Yeah. Kansas never gave him the ball back. No. Hmm. They ran it. Run. Hey,

they killed the clock and ran it right down. They thought, yeah, right. Then I'm stacked the ball back. No. They ran it. Run. They killed the clock and ran it right down their throat. Yep. Rather than stack the whole box. I mean, you couldn't stop and run all goddamn game.

Stack the whole box. So, number two, Ohio State hands number five, Indiana. It's first loss of the season by the score of 38-15.

All Ohio State has to do now is beat Michigan at home next Saturday, and it will earn a return to the Big Ten championship game for the first time since 2020 and get a rematch with number one Oregon. The Ducks beat Ohio State 32-31 in a wild one point back on October 12th. This time, the game will be on a neutral turf, a neutral site. Neutral field. I think the Big Ten, they played their championship game,

though, Joe, at Lucas Oil in Indiana. But Ohio State played well today. Will Howard, 22 of 26, 2-0-1, two touchdowns, one interception. They ran the ball 29 for 115. Yeah. What's up? Man, my homeboy Jeremiah Smith, the first game, he didn't score, man. Yeah, he only had one kick.

No, well, hell, I mean, they only had 22 completions. What did he have? He had three catches for 34 yards. Yeah. They had 20 or 22 uh receptions for 201 as a team um they didn't really do anything their defense was suffocating they won this game defensively ocho they held indiana to 151 yards 83 r, 68 passing. Let's just think here. A team, they had 8 of 18 for 68 yards.

They had 41 carries for 83 yards. 151 yards of total offense. They sacked the quarterback five times, eight tackles for loss, and they picked him off. Yep, defense, defense, defense. This is a defensive game. And look, offensively, Ohio State did what they needed to do. They got to capitalize on the field position that they got.

Great punt return to get them going. But this defense was all over Indiana. And so, look, I don't follow Indiana that close. I don't really know how good they are. I know they're, they were 10 and old coming into this game. They were the fifth ranked team. It's going to be very,

very interesting to see where they ultimately ends up at Ocho. Obviously they're not going to make the cup. They're not going to make the big 10 championship, but there's still an outside chance because there ain't no harm in losing to the number two team in the country on the road. I'm sure the voters would take that into consideration. One would hope so.

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State, 28-21 Saturday at Nissan Stadium with Leicester Tigers knocking on the door of the FCF playoffs. They share the title, Ocho. Tennessee State finished the regular season in a four-way tie, a first with Southeast Missouri, UT

Martin, Tennessee Tech, and the Big South Ohio Valley Conference. Eddie George makes Tennessee State case for an FCF playoff berth. Tennessee State ended the regular season by winning seven of its last eight games, something that may benefit

the Tigers with the FCS playoff committee, which often favors teams on the uptake. So congratulations, Eddie. Congratulations. Tennessee State Tigers. Unbelievable. We were down there at the HBCU Tour.

My best friend, obviously, Keith Byrne. He's the special teams coach. So I am very, very happy that you guys have finished the regular season 9-3. FCS committee, be Spike Lee.

Do the right thing. Y'all know what y'all should do. Oh, yeah. The 1-7 of 8. Congratulations, Tennessee State Tigers. Co-champs of the Big South Ohio Valley Conference. Very happy for you guys. Anytime HBCU do something, man, you know we proud over here at HBCU.

That's what we do. Oh, yeah. We're very proud of you guys. Congratulations Eddie and Tennessee State Tigers and all their fans out there. Daniel Jones, damn that escalated quickly Ocho. Daniel Jones has officially been waived by the Giants.

Saquon Barkley rooting for a fresh start for Jones. Jones went to go to a team go to a playoff team. Huh? Say that again. Wait, read that for me again. Read that for me again real slow.

Read it for me again. What I'm going to do, I'm going to press rewind and then I'm going to hit play. Okay. Daniel Jones wants to go to a play. Daniel Jones wants to go to a playoff Daniel Jones wants to go to a playoff team. Okay.

Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Let me get this straight. So Daniel Jones wants to go to a playoff team. He wants to go to a playoff team where they already have a quarterback in place. But I'm assuming he wants to go to a playoff team so he knows the field likes to win. Okay. And maybe be the backup.

I'm assuming that's that what do you mean by saying it i don't think he means to actually start or contend or compete to be the starting quarterback for a team that always has a start a starting quarterback according to adam shepter jones is expected to have multiple options but likely will prefer to finish this season on a playoff contending team where he would be involved in big games rather than going to a mandarin quarterback needy team not remotely in playoff contention but if they got if they're going if you go into a team you're not i mean so what you just want to see what it's like yeah i think that has to be what he mean huh but he's already been

to the playoffs hey hold on think about this real quick i don't need to break it down i'm not sure how good you are with being able to name all the quarterbacks in the league but think about all the teams that are playoff or in playoff contention or even in the hunt even in the hunt huh i mean how many teams actually need the quarterback and the one that's in the playoff hood yeah exactly that's the whole point so i think he just wants to experience knowing what it feels like to win and to be competing in the playoffs or being in contention in general. It has to be what he means.

Go to the cowboy. But here's my thing, Ocho. When I look at it, maybe he needs to go somewhere with a different culture. Because sometimes it is culture. You get caught up, Ocho, the way they coach and the way they do things,

and maybe that's not conducive for you. You get into a new situation. They practice different. They meet different. The coaches coach you different. They talk to you different. I don't know. Look, when I heard it, I'm like, oh, you want to go to him?

I can see, Ocho, you're a wide receiver. You're a running back. You're a defensive player. Okay, I get that because there's an opportunity. But there's only one because all the other positions, I can see Ocho. You're a wide receiver. You're a running back. You're a defensive player. Okay. I get that. Cause there's an opportunity, but there's only one. Cause all the other positions,

you can have multiple positions on the, at the same time on the field. Right. When you're a quarterback, you can only have one. Right. That, that,

that, and I'm looking, I'm like, well, so I go into a team that's in playoff consideration or contention. What are you going to do? Right. Oh my goodness. I mean mean it has to make sense the only thing that makes sense is based on what he's saying he wants to be somewhere where maybe he's not going to be the starter we know he's not going

to be a starter but i want to be somewhere where i can be on a team where i can be a backup if need be i can help but i would like to know what it feels like to be contending or be challenging for a playoff spot with that team that that that that uh hello that got to be it obviously yeah so you want to rewind that thing and press play again on show that was a good one that was a good one though that was a good one. That was a good one, though. That was a good one. That was a real good one. The Jets could reportedly release Aaron Rodgers this season. End season. Let me repeat that again. Say it again.

Say it again. Now rewind now. Rewind it again. Rewind it again. Go ahead. Rewind it. Play. The Jets could reportedly release Aaron Rodgers in season.

Rodgers wants to play in 2025, but not with the Jets. Whoa, what? Time out. Time out, man. Time out. Time out. Hold on. Let me get my flag. Let me get my flag. There's a flag on the place. Let me get the flag. All right. I got my flag.

I know it's white, but we're going to pretend it's yellow. Okay. You're giving up. I just threw the flag. Okay. Hold on. Okay. What's the call to play? Where is he going?

You know what's funny? You know what's funny? When it comes to a quarterback like this, with a resume like this, even though the NFL is all about what have you done for me lately, when Aaron Rodgers says, you know what, as desperate as teams are to have a quarterback, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets the opportunity after what he just said.

If they do release him, if the Jets do release him and start over as far as searching for a quarterback, Aaron Rodgers will get a job simply because of what he's done in the past. They're going to hold on to that. They're going to hold on to that. They're going to hold on to the... How many times MVP? Four?

Four. He's won a Super Bowl? Man, yeah, he don't even have a chance. Diana Rossini. Diana Rossini. She talks about the Jets. Let's listen to what she has to say. I'm told Johnson has lost confidence in Rodgers' ability to lead the team to the playoffs for the first time in 14 years,

a drought that now stands as the longest in major North American professional sports league. There are some on the team who believe everyone is simply tiptoeing around the fact Rodgers isn't the same player anymore. Some around the league say they won't be surprised if Rodgers is cut in the season. As far as Rodgers, his relationship with the owner has been strained for months. That's not a secret in the building or the locker room. At this point, after conversation with sources,

with the team,. At this point, at the conversation with sources, with the team, and around the league, my understanding is Rodgers' stand still wants to play in 2025, just not with the Jets. I like it. I like it, but I don't like it. I like it, but I don't like it

because I want to break down the other 31 teams. There are many teams that don't even need a quarterback. What teams can Aaron Rodgers go to where he can make a difference where he couldn't make a difference when you're in New York? They gave you everything you wanted. They gave you everything you wanted.

You got Devontae Adams. You got Lazard. You got Brees Hall. I mean, come on now. Remember, Ocho? Remember last year they got a, what you call him, Randall Cobb for it. Yeah. Yeah.

And then if he is to go to a team it has to be a team where he doesn't have to do much because his supporting cast can hold him up he can't go to a team that has less talent and make them better he needs somebody to uplift him for the longest time he could uplift other players his teammates he can no longer do that yeah time to change time to change but there's nowhere for him to go huh

there's nowhere for him to go if you think about it there's nowhere for him to go where are you going tell me so we both know man listen man I think listen Aaron Aaron what Where are you going? Tell me so we both know. Man, listen, man. I think, listen, Aaron, Aaron. What?

You better focus and lock in. You better focus and lock in because you're going to be on the outside looking in a minute. Bro, football been stopped being important to Aaron Rodgers. Y'all can see what y'all want to say. Aaron Rodgers been, and football was the last.

Football gave him ability to have the cachet to talk about all the other stuff that he cared to talk about. Right. Y'all know this. Y'all see it. Y'all see the man demeanor. Y'all see his behavior. Y'all saw the way he conducted himself. Football Ben stopped being important to Aaron Rodgers.

Yeah, he's one of the few. You know, Aaron Rodgers has what what most don't what most mostly all quarterbacks do he has privilege and he's one of the few they have that privilege he abuses that privilege and the power that he has because of what he's done in the nfl yeah the few that does it you know yes nobody else will be able to get away with some of the things oh can you imagine you no forget you because you you follow the rules. Let's say me, who bent the rules and always told the line and never crossed it. Can you imagine if I say, you know what?

I'm not going to minicamp. I'm going on a retreat because I already have a plan. Can you imagine? Yeah, I can imagine. They'll find you a cutcher. What the hell are you talking about? That's what'll you. What the hell are you talking about? That's what happened. Hey!

All I know is that Antonio Brown didn't go to a team meeting and they cut him. Yeah. They had a meeting and had a walkthrough in the ballroom. He didn't show up and they cut him. Yeah. They don't play. They don't play. Certain people are certain people y'all get upset with me when i when i when i tell the truth see my thing is i don't know why anybody would question

because y'all see i call it right down the middle it doesn't matter if you're aaron rogers you're tom brady peyton manning uh uh lamar jackson or or patrick mahomes if i Mahomes, if I see it, I'm just going to be honest. I've been telling you guys for the longest, Aaron Rodgers is an arrogant, condescending, flippant. He blames everyone. He takes no responsibility

for himself. He's been that. He's always been that. He won MVPs so everybody overlooked it. Now he can no longer be an MVP. Everybody's saying what I've been saying for years. Yeah, but when you had that kind of resume like Aaron Rodgers, when you had that kind of success for so long,

when you're a franchise quarterback like that, when you had that kind of success for so long, you know, when you're a franchise quarterback like that, when you're a Super Bowl champion, you're extended a different type of grace. Yes, for sure. Especially at the quarterback position. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. But Ocho? Yes, sir. One of the

things, you know, if you say, boy, if you're not careful, you'll become the very thing you despise the most in a person. He despised the way Brett Favre treated him. Treated him, yeah. Did he not turn around and become the very thing he despised the most? Yeah.

Yeah. Have mercy. See, y'all don't want to listen to me. Unc, talk like he... See, Unc, know what he's talking about. See, y'all say Unc, talk a lot. Y'all don't really be saying I don't know, Unc, talk like he... But see, Unc know what he talking about. See, y'all say Unc talk a lot. Y'all don't really be saying I don't know what I'm talking about because when it come to fruition, the first thing,

you said, oh, Captain Obvious. Well, why didn't you say it? If it was so obvious, you could have said it. Look how he got out of there. He didn't want to come to minicamps. He wanted everything to be his way. Isn't that what Brett Favre...

Isn't that why they got Brett Favre out of there? Now, where did Brett Favre go when he left Green Bay? Tell the people how long, Ocho. The New York Jets? Ocho, tell the people how long did Brett Favre stay in New York? One year? Yeah.

Hey, hold on, hold on. Where'd he go next? So are we saying that Aaron Rodgers is probably going to beat him in Minnesota? No, McCarthy. They got J.J. McCarthy. They got J.J. McCarthy. They got J.J. McCarthy coming back next year. No. And he's already missed a year.

You're not going to send him back another year. No. And I'm drafting a quarterback. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. What is Aaron Rodgers going to do? At most, he plays a year. And you think I'm going to pass on a quarterback for a year? Are we sure he can elevate my team?

The Jets thought he could. How'd that work out for them? They gave up draft capital, and they're worse off than they were when they had Zach Wilson, when they had Sam Darnold, when they have whomever else they had at quarterback. Bruh, you're not getting a Tom Brady ending. You're not getting a Peyton Manning

ending. Wait, what if he changed his mindset? What if he changed his approach to the game? It's too late. Ocho, how you do something for 20 years and you won MVPs and you won a Super Bowl, you change your mindset. Tom Brady couldn't change his mindset if he could because he still had that underdog mentality.

All he saw himself as accomplished as he was, was a sixth round draft pick that nobody wanted until the sixth round. That's all he ever saw himself. He always felt, I got to go in and prove that I got to make the team. Even though after one Super Bowl, two Super Bowls, three Super Bowls, MVP, MVP, MVP, Super Bowl, Super Bowl, Super Bowl, Super Bowl. I've got to prove it. Peyton Manning every year, prove it, prove it, prove it. It's always been about him.

He's always been condescending. He's always been flippant. He's always been arrogant. He's always been condescending. He's always been flippant. He's always been arrogant. He's always been aloof. You overlooked it because he was winning MVPs. Now, he's the same player. You don't change when you lose.

You don't change. See, losing doesn't change who you are. It reveals who you are. It reveals who you are. That's what losing does. It reveals your... It don't build character. It reveals it. This is who he's being. It's just like anger.

Just like anger and just like someone that drinks. Yes. You finally get to see someone's true colors. Yes. You finally get to see someone true colors. Yes. People are like, oh, he got money, he changed. No, money doesn't change you.

It makes you more of what you already are. You don't get money and become generous. Right. You don't. That's always in you. You don't get money and become a jerk.

You've always been a jerk, but you were a minor jerk because you didn't have the money, the power and the money to be an asshole. So that's what money will allow you to do. People that are, that have money and that are nice and respectful they've always been that way i guarantee you you go look at anybody and they'll tell you i don't need to call no name yeah when they got money they say what they've been that way right

but if we're on the same level how can i be a real jerk when we're on the same level but let me get a little advantage over you. Yeah. Hey, listen, money, money, money does some strange things to people.

It does. It does. Strain is just, it does some strains, strains. It's hard to remain yourself. You know, when you get it,

but if you are able to control it and don't allow it to control you, it's a beautiful thing. Who were you before you had the money? Shoot. Cheap as fuck. Who were you before you had the money? That's all I ask. Who were you before you got the money? That's who you are now. You just have the opportunity to really show because you got money. You really give people your ass. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. The volume. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming.

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